2:00pm: The Brewers have formally announced the deal. They’ll also receive a player to be named later or cash from the Padres, per a team press release.
9:57am: The Padres and Brewers have broken open a quiet trade market with an interesting swap of young big leaguers. Outfielder Trent Grisham and righty Zach Davies are heading to San Diego, with second baseman Luis Urias and southpaw Eric Lauer going to Milwaukee in exchange.
This is a rare need-for-need, value-for-value trade. For the Friars, Grisham could pair with Manuel Margot in center field and ultimately move to a corner spot when top prospect Taylor Trammell is ready. Both he and Urias have debuted but not yet accrued a full season of MLB service. Meanwhile, Davies will represent a sturdy rotation piece. He’s projected to earn $5.0MM in his second-to-last season of team control.
On the other side, the Brewers now appear to have a double-play partner for Keston Hiura. Indications are that the club will utilize Urias at shortstop. Whether there’s still room for Orlando Arcia remains to be seen. The 24-year-old Lauer could deliver solid innings for years to come. While he’s not as established as Davies, the southpaw has shown well early in his career and remains under control through the 2024 season.
For the most part, 2019 was a bit of a dream season for Grisham. The former first-rounder finally turned the corner at the plate, raking in the upper minors (.300/.407/.603) to earn his way up to the majors.
Grisham ended up seeing significant time in the big leagues for the postseason-qualifying Brewers. He wasn’t exactly an instant star, but turned in a palatable .231/.328/.410 slash in 183 plate appearances while contributing highly graded defense. Unfortunately, the season ended on a sour note, as Grisham committed a costly error that cemented the Brewers’ Wild Card meltdown.
It feels funny to treat Davies as a secondary piece in this deal; that’s certainly not the case. Still just 26 years of age, he spun 159 2/3 innings of 3.55 ERA ball last year. True, Davies wasn’t exposed often to lineups for a third time. And there’s probably some good fortune embedded in those results. Davies will never be much of a strikeout pitcher, with a career K rate of 6.4 per nine. But he has proven over the years that he can produce good results despite his limitations, with a 3.91 ERA in 614 1/3 career innings.
In Urias, the Brewers see a compelling young hitter that just hasn’t quite found his footing in the majors. He’s just 22 years of age and carries a .305/.403/.511 slash over 887 Triple-A plate appearances. Urias has succeeded largely with his strong plate discipline (108 walks, 172 strikeouts) and excellent bat-to-ball skills. But there’s a bit of pop in the bat as well, as he has 28 long balls during his time at the highest level of the minors.
That said, there are some questions — there’s a reason that Urias has spent so much time at Triple-A while some other Padres players have breezed through and never returned. The initial MLB returns were tepid. Urias owns a .221/.318/.331 batting line in 302 plate appearances in the bigs. It seems reasonable to suppose he’ll improve upon that, but to what extent remains to be seen.
There are also some questions whether Urias can handle the shortstop position with sufficient aplomb at the game’s highest level. He spent the majority of his time in the minors at second base and has graded better there than at short in his limited MLB time at both spots. But the Brew Crew has been willing to rely upon its infield placement to help cover up any range issues.
It’d be easy to lose sight of Lauer here, but he’s a notable asset in his own right. The former first-rounder has thrown 261 2/3 MLB innings over the past two seasons, working to a cumulative 4.40 ERA. Nothing jumps off the page about him — 8.2 K/9, 3.3 BB/9, 38.9% groundball rate, 1.20 HR/9 — but he could bring steady innings at a cheap rate. The Brewers will likely plan to utilize Lauer in a somewhat flexible role to maximize his utility, as they have other hurlers that might not quite warrant traditional starter usage.
Jon Morosi of MLB.com (Twitter link) broke the deal, with Jeff Passan of ESPN.com (via Twitter) and Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (Twitter link) adding key details.
Photos courtesy of USA Today Sports.
I cannot say I saw this coming.
This is a good trade by the Padres. I am not so sure what the Brewers are getting back.
might want to refresh
Also, how did you know it was a good trade without knowing what the Padres were giving up?
biased Padres fan who thinks anything is good regardless of even finding out the return lol
It’s obvious what his intent was. He clearly is saying that the Padres got the better part of the trade with little going to the Brewers. Urias hasn’t panned out and and Lauer has a career, albeit short, 4.40+ ERA.
Urias was horrible at the start of the season, but was starting to look good in August and September. Before he came back up, his average was less than 100. In time, the Padres may regret letting him go, or maybe not.
Lauer is a mediocre starter who has trouble going deep into the game. It sounds like Davies may be similar, though slightly better and more mature. The Padres desperately need starters that can get 6-7 innings. Last year, they exhausted their bullpen until it completely fell apart mid season. I am optimistic this will improve that situation. They still need a strong #1..
plus Lauer has pitched in a pitcher’s park. unless Urias develops into a star the Pads definitely got the best of this deal.
Urias hasn’t panned out? So…he didn’t start his career like Ronald Acuna or Juan Soto? Dude hasn’t been given a legitimate chance.
302 major league PA’s and Urias already “hasn’t panned out”
Not to mention that the dude just turned 22 this summer. I think the brewers won this trade, Urias has the highest ceiling of anyone involved imo
Of course Brewers won its Preller vs Stearns
Looks like the Padres fleeced the Brewers on this one.
Uh uh. Wait until you see Davies’s numbers post May.
Wait until you see Davies numbers in Petco. Trades with younger players like Grisham and Urias always take time evaluate. But as Brewers fan I have to say I don’t like this on surface
I didnt either, but the more I looked into it the more I like it. Urias has torn up the minors and had a good ending to last season. he will hit for more power in miller too. the brewers got the best and worst player in this trade I think
That 7.27 ERA over the course of three seasons. Wow. BUT if you look at his numbers at Dodger, Coors, and Chase he’s lights out. Average at best at AT & T. Brewers did fine on this trade.
Greg Garcia LoL
Idk how many people would have. Surprised to see Urías moved and to see him acquired to play SS for a team at that.
I’m going to admit it. I did not see that coming.
Awww I really wanted to see Milwaukee give him a standing ovation next season. It’s a shame his last Brewers memory will be a bad one.
Wow, he had a pretty sold rookie year for Milwaukee
This dude can hit some flat out bombs but his fielding is ehh
Grisham for Hedges?
Right before the townspeople stormed his house with torches and pitchforks.
Cannot lie: never saw this move coming.
Oof I have to believe his error had some part to play in this trade
Or you know, the fact that they have Cain, Yeli, Braun, Gamel, and eventually Ray all looking for playing time in the OF while SS is a very thin position for them and they appear about ready to move on from Arcia. But if you want to believe that the front office is doing this cause of 1 error you go right ahead.
I mean, how could you possibly take a journeyman like Gamel and his 85 OPS+ out of the lineup for the 22 yr old who outplayed him.
The 35 yr old Braun who is signed one more year obviously isnt going anywhere either for years to come.
Ray finally reached AAA after a pity promotion from AA where he had an OPS under .700 and then hit .188 , so you cant block a name youve heard of like that next season either (obviously).
You sure told him whats , what.
Good Job, You Did It!
so you picked one part of the statement and ignore the reasoning why. they do have depth at outfield. they are thin at short. Grisham pulled his best year out last year. urias is a potential stud
Judging by your humor, (or lack thereof) I’m pegging you to be in the 7th grade?
Guessing they wanted to sell high on his career year with a juiced ball if possible. His minors stats before 2019 are not impressive.
Maybe Trammell is going elsewhere in a separate deal?
Just announced: Grisham for Luis Urias
For urias. Seems like a win win for both teams and a good chance for both players to have a fresh start
And swapping lauer and davies
Urias in the deal
Padres got fleeced my God
Davies had a really strong year, Lauer did not. Urias, while was once a top prospect, hasn’t showing any success in the big leagues, while Grisham has.
Davies did not have a strong year. He pitched well until about the end of May and was terrible after the ASG. Grisham’s sample size is also too small.
Small sample, and he wasn’t particularly impressive with the bat…
I agree. All this chatter about Grisham being a star is ridiculous. He had done nothing in the minors his entire career, has a strong start at AAA, gets called up out of need and does…OK. Now he’s a perennial All-Star?
Urias literally only has 302 major league PA’s
Eric Lauer also going to Milwaukee
Brewers win that trade.
Not yet. May take a yr or more. Davies is a decent starter.
Agreed. And I don’t think it’s particularly close.
Lauer has pitched enough to get a feel for what he’ll do in his career. He hasn’t done particularly well in a pitcher’s ballpark. The ballpark switch gives Davies the nod IMO. Urias had better develop into a very solid player or this is a bad trade for the Brewers.
Lauer and Urias for Grisham and Davies LOL. Preller has no clue how to make major leauge trades. He is gone when the Padres win total is in the 70s again
So you can see the future?
Lauer is, at most, a 4/5 starter and while I wasn’t ready to give up on Urias, it seems like ownership did.
We needed a lefty OF bat and we got one; not to mention a decent pitcher in Davies.
Davies is a 4 on a contending team also. Not to mention Lauer has 3 more years of control. Give me the middle infielder (Urias) who has far more upside compared to the corner OF (Grisham) any day.
Lauer has 5 more years of control.
Davies has hit his ceiling and has mediocre stuff. In that division with 3 hitter friendly parks his good road numbers will take a hit
I don’t think the Eric Lauer for Zach Davies side of the deal is going to be the determining factor in this trade. They both look like backend starters. One has pitched in a tougher park in Milwaukee and the other has been lucky enough to be in SD.
It’s going to be Grisham for Urias. That’s where the separation is going to come from in my opinion.
Grisham is a Lorenzo Cain with some pop to be honest wish it would have put Ray in trade instead of Grisham. Any true Brewer fan wouldnt have hated for that last play. He is going to be an all star .. Too bad they didnt add Arcia and Austi Allen in the deal
“Grisham. …He is going to be an all star”
Preller’s future as a GM likely depends on that being the outcome.
Because the parks in the NL Central were so pitcher friendly??? Great American, Wrigley, Miller, PNC, Busch….. Not exactly venues that pitchers love to go to (except early in the year with the wind blowing in at Wrigley).
Cain just won the GG in CF (should arguably have multiple at this point). Grisham won’t stick in CF full-time and most likely spends the majority of his time in LF. Grisham does have more power and will steal more bases but that’s about it. He most likely is not going to be an AS. He’ll most likely be a solid starting OF though.
Ray had a great AA then broke a bone in his hand at the end of ST last year and didn’t tell anyone until several weeks into the season. That injury sidetracked his entire year. His upside is greater than Grisham and he’ll repeat AAA healthy (hopefully). It’s a big year for him.
what the actual heck
as much as I personally think Urias is overrated, this is just absurd.
Dodgers could not beat Lauer and now they wont have to face him as many times.
My 1st thought when I saw who was traded. Good riddance.
NL West teams just love to make it easy for the Dodgers, huh?
They’ve been souring on Urias since his poor start. He did start performing better. Milwaukee outfielder was unfortunately probably not going to be able to live that down. Still seems a bit steep of a price for starting pitching on the Padres part.
Is that you, Rickey Henderson?
This is a weird trade
Wonder what this means for Arcia. Another move on the horizon or move Hiura to 1B?
Hiura will be moved to left. Worst defensive 2nd baseman in baseball. Braun working on digs at first as we speak.
Hiura can’t throw. He’ll move to 1B before Braun does IMO. They already tried that Braun to first move and it was not pretty.
I can’t imagine this is the whole trade.
The Padres are trotting our Kinsler/France at 2B now barring other major moves…..sorry I am try to type while vomiting.
Greg Garcia will play 2B. Do you even follow the Padres?
I don’t, but as a Cardinals fan I can tell you that Garcia is not a starter. He’s a utility infielder, through and through.
I’m wondering why the Padres felt the need to add a 12th OF to their 40 man. I know he “hits” left-handed, but still…
It was a joke. And no, I do not believe the 2020 starter at 2b is currently on the roster. There are an abundance of options via trade and free agency at 2b – some for short term deals and the Padres have one of the most exciting athletes in the minor leagues a couple of years away (CJ Abrams).
Padres gonna sign 2B Schoop, Manny’s best friend.
How dare someone not know that a career bench player is currently slotted to play 2B.
Do you even baseball, bro?
The principle is if you don’t know what you’re talking about, don’t post.
Urias is Brewers starting SS now so no need to move Hiura anywhere. Arcia will be lucky to make the team.
You’re right. Milwaukee also gets a lottery ticket or cash to boot. Sterns is laughing all the way to the bank on this one.
Urais will play where ?? Crew have 2B secured and I thought they liked their SS…
3B
Utility player.
They are frustrated with Arcia, he isn’t consistent let alone a star they hoped he’d be
Urias will play SS for the Brewers. They will non tender their Ss Arcia.
No Arcia will be traded to Baltimore for Bundy
SS.
They liked him 2 years ago. Last season they sent him down, benched him in favor of the likes of Tyler Saladino, and were pretty public with their criticisms. He may not be out the door quite yet, but he’s barely hanging on.
I’m sure the Padres know what they’re doing. Lauer wasn’t a stud prospect or anything, but he could be good. Urias was supposed to be a great hitter. Davies should have better results playing in Petco.
San Diego got robbed… Milwaukee gets two talents that will be under team control longer (and in my opinion a future all star in Urias). Grisham likely won’t hit at a high level… Davies and Lauer seems like a straight up swap in terms of talent.
A future all star? Why? He hasn’t hit and he’s not even a good 2b let alone SS.
Are you forming that opinion off 83 career games? Quite a small sample size to say “he can’t hit”
His minor league numbers beg to differ.
Minor league isnt major league just look at so many players demolish aaa only to stink in majors.
Baseballtradevues.com HATES this trade for the Padres.
WEll crap. We need to undo it if BRV doesn’t like it
I don’t know about anybody else, but I did NOT see this coming.
I guess it helps both sides
Money saver for the Brewers – Lauer is probably $5 million cheaper than Davies, and Urias is a couple million cheaper than Arcia. I gotta believe Arcia’s gone after this move, he’s not a utility guy. Maybe this is enough to bring Moose back?
Brewers are $50M below their payroll last year even before this move. Moose was most likely in the cards regardless. This is the Brewers selling high on Grisham I believe
I’d bet $1 Ty France is in the deal. An attempt to find another Shaw?
Looks like you owe $1
Okay. I’m a Padres fan. I am disappointed. Somebody tell me something good and Davies and Grisham that will make sense.
Davies and Lauer seem comparable
Grisham and Urias seem comparable too as they both had really good minor league number but have stumbled in the big leagues.
Padres have tons of OF but very little at 2nd base.
But it also seems like the Brewers easily won this trade. Someone tell me I’m wrong.
It just seems the Padres could have received better value from the two.
Bigger trades have to be coming… I hope
Padres are searching for Left Handed OF bats. Grisham is a recent 1st round pick. Not sure I love the trade but I understand what he’s trying to do.
SD has a ton of OF depth but Grisham brings the following to overcome what they lack – lefty bat, plays all 3 OF spots, is a power/speed guy, great base stealer/runner. Davies is a solid vet who knows how to pitch. He’ll help solidify the backend of the rotation. You know what you’re getting with him as he’s very consistent when healthy, which he’s basically been outside of 2018.
That said, not sure why they traded Urias to land Grisham but targeting Grisham at least makes sense
Here is what Kiley McDaniel said in his chat today on Fangraphs.
Kiley McDaniel: Urias seems to never have been fully appreciated by SD since they’re a more traditional shop and he’s not a traditional player. Making him a SS and thinking they can figure out a way to optimize his offensive approach around the lack of pop is a very MIL and generally progressive team opinion. This is essentially what OAK did with Semien as well.
Kiley McDaniel: Grishman is LF only and needs to mash, but took a step forward and has mashed, so he’s got a lower-variance set of outcomes without much margin for error
Edwards will be starting 2b sometime in 2021.
Trading Urias now while still has prospect value.
Only Trammell close as LH outfielder.
Expect more deals to come.
Another LH outfielder.
A new 2b?
Urias’ value will be higher in a year.
Not if he doesn’t hit.
Obviously Preller thinks he won’t hit “enough”.
Plus he wasn’t great in the field at 2b….if the Brewers put him at SS his defense may not be plus either.
We’ll see.
I hope he does hit….like the kid.
He will hit.
What has Preller really done to show that his opinion matters?
He was good defensively at 2B. He sucked as a SS. Blame Andy Green for wasting as much time as he did playing him at SS.
No you don’t like him. You have nothing but hatred for Urias.
Lauer,wow. Good acquisition by the Brewers. He’s a sleeper added velocity on his fastball. Not sure what Preller is doing.
Lauer was not making the Padre rotation.
Going from Milwaukee to Petco isn’t going to help Grisham’s offense, and isn’t their OF still a bit crowded?
So a swap of secondary players. Less than mediocre trade.
I actually think this is one of the more interesting early winter trades you’ll see. Two teams apparently giving up on promising young players.
Davies is a #5 starter. Luis Urias is good but hasn’t done anything. Trent Grisham has yet to prove anything and the padres dont need outfielders
Everyone on the outside needs to stop telling SD they don’t need outfielders. They will probably be looking for another one this off season. The ones they have are not very good.
THIS. SD has a ton of OF depth at the MLB level but most of them aren’t quality player nor have higher ceilings than Grisham – who’s a lefty (which they lack) power/speed guy capable of playing all 3 OF spots. Grisham is easy top 4 OF on that team if not earning a starting job out of spring
Correct.
The Padres most glaring need is OF who can hit RH pitching and get on base.Expect another one soon.
Haniger?
Benintendi?
They aren’t “giving up on them.” They are using them as commodities. Releasing players is giving up on them. Trading them is just using position strength to help position weakness.
This is quite a surprise to anyone who follows the Brewers, as you can see from the other comments. I know you have to give something to get something, but a 2nd baseman? Can he play short? I can see someone replacing Arcia, but we have Keston Hiura at second and I don’t see him going anywhere. Davies is durable but replaceable. Grisham was the next guy up in the outfield to spell Yelich, as well as the aging Braun and Cain. Dude looks like a stud with great contact skills. Padres are going to love that guy.
The Brewers announced him as a SS
He is a shortstop who just got bumped to second by Tatis.
Hiura may be one of the worst fielding 2B in the MLB, my guess is they will play him at 1B/LF with the occasional start at 2B. Or they trade Arcia, as Urias can play SS. Grisham was an average defender and was a decent hitter but can be replaced by Gamel or another player. Decent outfielders are a dime a dozen.
Hiura may be one of the worst fielding 2B in the MLB, my guess is they will play him at 1B/LF with the occasional start at 2B. Or they trade Arcia, as Urias can play SS. Grisham was an average defender and was a decent hitter but can be replaced by Gamel or another player. Average fielding outfielders with a good bat are a dime a dozen.
Grisham is not a stud and was never projected to be.
I don’t understand this trade by San Diego at all. They don’t need more unproven outfielders. Urias looked like their 2B of the future. Lauer has upside whereas Davies throws like 55 mph. Really weird trade by SD.
Edwards is the 2b of the future.
If they don’t trade for a 2 year stop gap they have Quiroz/France/Garcia/Owens until Edwards is ready.
Davies is a really nice control pitcher. He’s underrated because if his small stature and because he doesn’t light up the radar gun. Coming from a brewers fan, I’m sure he’ll do quite well in SD. You’re going to like his mental toughness too. Sad to see him go.
I like Davies but him being close to FA puts a damper on his value. Urias is the only really valuable piece in this trade.
As a Bucco fan, glad to see Davies gone.
3B is a question mark at this point… Any chance Urias helps fill the spot by taking over 2B and pushing Hiura over there? I haven’t really observed Hiura in the field that much, so I don’t know if he has the arm to make those throws… I had thought the Brewers would’ve wanted to keep Grisham for the OF and move Braun the 1B. But maybe this trade suggests Hiura could move to first, with Urias at 2B and Shaw at 3B. Or maybe there more moves in the works…
I think Hiura will move to 1B full-time since Shaw completely forgot how to hit the ball.
Hiura is not a first baseman.
Says who? Many players who can hit, but struggle in the field move to first
Says anyone that any sort of knowledge of baseball.
Then what is he? Because he sure as hell isn’t a middle infielder.
Well pdx I guess you’ll be surprised then because Hiura isn’t going to stay at 2B with his defense and the Brewers don’t need a starting outfielder. That leaves 1B because his arm won’t play at 3B.
Enlighten me pdx…
Enlighten us all. Just because he’s only 6 foot even? He can’t field and he can’t throw. Hello 1B. They’re gonna at least give it a shot.
I stand by my comment that anyone that knows anything about baseball can see that he isn’t a first baseman. If you think he is, see original comment.
So zero rational arguments, no metrics, no stats, just PDX says so. Gotcha. Thanks for the amazing contribution.
Shaw had personal issues with his young child, which I think took a mental toll on him last year contributing to his season long slump. I believe he bounces back just fine. Maybe Hiura ends up at 1b down the road but people are also judging his fielding skills based on him playing a combined one full season between 2018/2019 for the first time since he played the field in 2015. He’s not going to just walk out there and be good. Anybody who consistently watched the Brewers last year could see Hiura has potential to be an average defender. His fielding still needs work but for the most part he did a fine job moving his feet and picking the ball. His throwing was the issue. And the reason he didn’t play the field in 2016/2017 is because of his elbow issues (couldn’t throw).. As he gets more experience being out there his throwing accuracy will improve
Hiura is not a first baseman. Urias is actually a shortstop who was playing second when Tatis, Jr. took over short.
Such a letdown if Hedges wasn’t involved! Maybe the Padres can teach him to hit left-handed. He couldn’t much worse at the plate than he is now.
Not a shock to see Trent moved, Tyrone Taylor is a better option. Sell high on Trent.
I agree, Taylor is above average on defense with speed and ability to read the ball of the bat. His bat has improved and I was shocked he did not play a bigger part last year when he was called up. He has less team control and hype than Grisham but I can see Taylor winning the 4th OF spot over Gamel and eventually replacing Cain or Braun in the future.
I can’t see that at all. Taylor is a 4th OF at best. No way he’s replacing Braun/Cain as a starter down the road. Gamel is also better than Taylor and has proved it as an average MLB hitter and good defender at all 3 spots (plus he’s a lefty). Taylor is hitting 270 in PCL with a juiced ball
Going with my gut on this one, Taylor will show everyone in spring training why they kept him on the 40 man to protect him. If he stays healthy he will produce.
Don’t the Brewers already have their second baseman of the future?
Yes, but Urias can also play shortstop and that’s what they will likely do if they don’t bring back Arcia.
Urias is a shortstop. He only played some 2b last year as the Padres had Tatis, Jr. at short.
Lol and this is even with the fact that I responded to a comment Padres that hopes that they stay away from Profar again with that they would be better off keeping Urias anyway, but that wasn’t the whole comment, though. Now he’s gone.
Punctuation would help.
That’s a great job selling high by the Brewers. Last year was the only time since his rookie year that Grisham even looked average.
Kinsler has mezmorized AJ preller.
These are two guys the Mets could’ve had. But what do they know about making a good decision
I wonder if they intend to play Grisham in CF. If he’s a capable center fielder with the glove and can hit around league average that does actually have value. Given how weak that position has been. They do have Margot so something would have to be done with him if that’s the case.
But this looks like a tough one for SDP today. They must not have a very high internal grade on Urias.
Grisham most likely in LF.
But a platoon of Grisham/Margot in CF would work too.
I quit. No longer a Padres fan. Preller is the worst GM in the history of the team. Maybe after they fire him I will come back.
You sound like the Angel fans who pretend to be Mariners fans to hate on Dipoto.
bye
I thought you were an Orioles fan ?
Well good riddance we don’t want any negative fans, the trade will be better for the padres than for the Brewers. Urias will be best as an average player and at SS will make his number of mistakes
Davis will slot at the back end of the Padres rotation leaves room for a frontline starter
More trades coming for San Diego. They have an influx of OFs they need to get rid of. Possibly a deal for Villar or another 2B.
Trading Urias for a position player that creates a massive logjam tells us a lot about how baseball views Urias, does it not?
tells us a lot about how baseball views Urias, does it not?
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No, it does not. All this tells us is what Preller thinks of urias.
Yeah that’s what I was thinking Joe. He’s obviously not very high on Urias. Has to be a combination of that and being very high on Grisham.
Jbigs switch “obvious” with “maybe”. The trade doesn’t make anything obvious with the San Diego Padres. Delete your account while you’re at it.
Sad.
He wasn’t very high on Trea Turner or Yasmani Grandal either.
Urias will maintain a good .235 to .250 BA if he plays on a regular basis. Don’t expect too much from him he’s proven the slider is his nemesis his D is slightly above average.
Or how Preller now views his OF, which has been a disappointment considering the outlook on their overall talent the last couple years.
Then again it only takes 1 team to see good in someone.
This is from Dan Szymborski, from his year end review of the Padres posted on 10/11/19.
“If Urías is eventually traded, I’m sincerely hopeful it’s part of a package for a real difference-maker, a Jacob deGrom or a Noah Syndergaard. If Urías fetched only, say, a year of Mike Minor, I will be sorely disappointed and extremely crabby on social media.”
Interesting trade. Nice job selling high on Grisham after a decent half season, and Davies is just too inconsistent.
There are two options for analysis here:
1. Luis Urias isn’t as good as people thought he was. The Padres had to include Eric Lauer just to acquire Davies, who can’t strike people out and throws a fastball softer than half the people at the local carnival, and an OF who might not be in the top 5 OF in that system. Not to mention, they moved Urias, who had a clear path to starting in SD for a player who only created a further logjam.
2. A.J. Preller is really bad at his job and David Stearns is great at his.
It’s also possible that both are true.
Grisham was only so high due to the fact that the Brewers farm isnt all that great. Trading him was not a huge deal in most Brewers fans eyes. Didnt see him as a starter anyways.
Interesting trade though. I think the Brewers were fed up with the inconsistency of Davies. Some days he would go 6 scoreless, and others he wouldnt be able to get out of the 2nd.
Well see what happens but im pretty sure this means bye bye for Arcia. Thank god!!
Davies fits well in a decent rotation in a huge park. I think hell be sneaky good in the back end of the rotation.
Yeah, I don’t think Grisham is all that great.
To be honest, I don’t think most of these players will be all that spectacular going forward. And we won’t think much of this trade in a few years.
I think the money and control were huge factors. And it seemed that Davies (like Anderson) had no further upside to be discovered. Lots of unfinished business for the Brewers is made apparent by this trade. Hope this frees up just a little money to bring Lyles back..
Disagree on several points here. Grisham has always been super young for age level in minors plus they were getting him away from his golf grip in recent years. He went back to that grip in the offseason prior to 2019 so the results aren’t out of the blue if you understood his skill set and potential. Grisham is absolutely a starting MLB OF.- how good of one is the question.
Fed up with Davies? The guy has been Mr Consistency for 4yrs averaging 2.5 WAR outside of his injury riddled 2018. Kid knows how to pitch and accomplished this in a very hitter friendly park. He has 2yrs arby remaining while Lauer has 4yrs and is pre-arby. It was 100% control/money plus it helps Lauer is a lefty.
I don’t understand the overrated line of thought toward Urias when he turned 22 midseason last year improving each month the final 3 months. Maybe SD internally rated Grisham relatively close to Urias and thought it was a good trade as it addressed what they lacked in their crowded OF full of questionable talent with Davies being better than Lauer over the course of the next couple years. Why can’t GMs believe it’s a win/win for both teams?
I’d have to say in two years from now we’ll see who got the better end of the deal. Urias is over rated and at best will hit around .250, he has a tendency to over swing and he is average at SS. That’s my take on this,
Yeah. A bad take.
A trade! Not a rumor but an actual trade! Yea!
These rumors keep coming up on this rumor site I don’t understand
2B market is absolutely FLOODED with options and that’s before the inevitable non-tender addition. Don’t know if I can hate on Preller for turning Urias into a LHB CF as there is significantly more upside in Grisham (who’s actually had success in the majors) compared to Urias.
Not sure I agree that there’s “significantly more upside in Grisham”.
I don’t know if any of the players moved are all that inspiring. Eric Lauer might be the best player of the 4.
bottom line is its two teams trading for needs. Padres will use Grisham in the OF and most likely be packaging up some of the ones they have now to get another piece.
Brewers are unhappy with Arcias production, and the lack of consistency with Davies.
Think this will go down as a minor trade, but Urias could blossom into a superstar, or a very solid player, which is what the Brewers are hoping for. If nothing else, he HAS to be better than Arcias bat, right?
Overall, I think both the Padres and Brewers got even value.
It’s tough to not be a better hitter than Arcia, but I’m not sure I’m buying that Urias is going to be a significant upgrade.
If Urias is as good as some think he is, why wouldn’t the Padres give him the chance over Ian Kinsler or Greg Garcia?
I just don’t see a lot of inspiring players here.
I mean I agree to an extent. Sometimes a change of scenery for some young guys can jump start their careers.
Brewers are hoping hes like Segura. We gave up on him too soon, and blossomed after he left Mil. Maybe Stearns is hoping for the same with Urias. Or maybe they have some way to fix his swing to make him better? you never know what will happen when the analytics get involved.
Or Preller made a mistake. He’s made lots of mistakes. Particularly on 1B he’s signed. The 2b market is flush with options though. Don’t be surprised if Manny Machado lobbies for Jonathan Schoop to be brought in to play 2B. Much like he did last year to lobby for Tatis to start the year on the roster. It’s apparent he has some degree of influence there. And Schoop wouldn’t be a bad option in my opinion.
I think the entire point of this for SD was to use Urias to fill a need in the OF. A lefty bat with power/speed who can play 3 OF spots isn’t anything SD currently has. And I think with the opportunity to easily acquire a solid 2b in FA it made sense for them to make this trade
Couldn’t agree more, I actually called into the local radio station and suggested just that today. Schoop makes sense until Edwards is ready.
Eric will consistently be a SP who can’t go beyond 5 innings hopefully the Brewers have some good middle relievers, he’ll generally maintain a 4.4 ERA
Bro. Urias. Only. Has. 302. Major. League. PA’s.
Urias will be a good .250 BA over his years nothing special, he’s dead when it comes to the slider, little bat discipline.
Wrong.
We have great relievers to take us through. You realize Davies is in the same position, right? Haha. He doesn’t go the 3rd time through either.. we are a team built around our relievers.
Trade for a 2B next?
Merrifield?
Seems pretty fair to me, with slight advantage to Brewers, which should surprise no one. Urias gives them a shortstop; less defense than Arcia, but more offense (OTOH, YOU have better offense than Arcia), and the pitchers are pretty much a wash, tho Lauer is 5M cheaper, which means something.
Sterns usually winds up ahead in these things. While Grisham has some upside, there’s some real doubt he gets to it.
Worth noting; moving Hiurra to 1B is less easy than you might think. Even Keith Hernandez admits that with all the shifting, he wouldn’t have as much “Gold” in his closet if he was always the only guy on the right side of the IF.
“First isnt that hard, tell em Wash”
“its incredibly hard”
Does Grisham’s star dim at all now playing in SD?
As a Brewers fan I like this trade for several reasons.
1. It replaces Davies with a younger and less expensive left handed starter who has good control and a deceptive delivery.
2. We gain another high upside option at SS who has shown good plate discipline and projects to be more of a contact hitter. This adds a cheap internal replacement option if they do decide to move on from Arica.
3. Personally I wasn’t sold on Grisham ever being more than a 4th OF so I’m glad Stearns sold high on him now especially with Gamel still on the roster.
4. The Brewers saves $4.5MM in payroll ($6.5MM if they non-tender Arcia) which can now be used to add pitching, 3B, 1B and C.
Completely agree. Swapping Grisham/Urias was a good move by Stearns imo. I never saw Grisham as more than a bench bat/4 OF.
I think this move by Stearns is not a stand alone move as well. You will see multiple other moves to trim payroll and get guys with more team control. And dont even get me started on Davies. He was all or nothing. Either 7 strong innings, or 2 innings and 8 runs.
Glad Stearns smartened up and realized Davies isnt playoff material. I wonder what happens next with Arcia. Maybe they package him up? but with who? Hes not a 1 for 1 kinda guy. He needs to be the second piece in a trade, not a stand alone.
Interesting fact about Lauer, he can’t pitch at Coors field. He is like historically bad there. If you take out his starts at Coors he has a 3.62 ERA.
And Davies is bad at Petco and has been lights out at Dodger, Coors, and Chase over the course of the past 3 seasons.
Brewers fan congrats you got a below avg. SP that was not going to make it into the rotation of the last place Padres. The biggest LOL here is thinking that Urias is going to be a SS. BTW he cant hit a fastball.
And you got a SP who has a 7.27 ERA at Petco over the last 3 seasons.
Come on 2id how many starts has he made at petco? 2? 3? I didn’t even bother looking because it can’t be enough to have an opinion on.
Agree here. Worst case scenario for Milwaukee is that they get the same production for less money.
Urias will be a good .250 hitter year after year, average D and has a tendency to overswing so where’s the upside? he’s no AS by any means, he was sent down to AAA on several occasions last year and his .221 BA tells you something
He was sent down to AAA once last season smart guy. His .221 BA tells you that Andy Green was disgustingly misusing him and his .371 OBP in September tells you what he’s capable of when they use him correctly.
What?
The
F
I thought brewers had a second baseman of the future. I like Davies
But wtf…. urias…
He can play short too. Either he will compete with Arcia for a job, or they might be planning to move Keston to 1st? LF? idk what they are doing with that but Keston WILL be a part of this team next year lol
Only thing is hes horrific on defense, and has the throwing arm of a boy scout.
Urias full time short? Not a chance. I’m a huge fan of urias but he needs to be at second. He can fill it up but doesn’t have the arm or range to play short full time.
I like it for both sides but I give the Padres the edge as they’re getting 2 players who have shown they can perform in the big leagues already.
Small sample size for Grisham. Cant say hes performed well in that little ABs.
Davies will fit nicely in PETCO though.
It is a small sample but a successful one unlike Urias who has a larger, less successful sample size
That’s funny. Because Urias had a higher WAR and the same OBP. With a lot of that OBP coming from early in the season when Andy Green was disgustingly misusing him.
Ya along with his .221 BA Urias has been up and down frequently in the last two years from minors to majors he’ll average around .250 in Miller park more hitter friendly.
Grisham had a 0.7 WAR in 51 games. Urias has a 1.1 in 83 games. If Grisham “has proved he can play in the bigs already” Urias certainly has too.
How much of Urias is related to defense though? Anyways, you’re not going to convince me of anything with a need stat that can’t be proven.
Grisham hit .231 with a .328 OBP last year. Urias hit ..223 with a .329 OBP. Yes Grisham has more pop, but that should be expected from an OF vs a middle infielder. I like Trent, but he hasn’t proven anything and certainly not any more than Urias.
DTD_ATL doesn’t know about projection and future-value
Kris Bryant to padres for Davies and….
If a package to the Cubs begins with Davies, you are going to get hung up on quite quickly.
2 of Gore, trammel, Latino, abrams, Edwards with Davies
They traded Edwards to San Diego why would the cubs want him back. Replace Davies with someone who can help rotation now. Not be a swingman #6 or #7
So Gore, Trammel Abrams and kirby Yates for their bullpen
Xavier Edwards not Carl. Mariners signed Carl Edwards today .
With this trade today you can completely forget about trading Edwards or Abrams.
You cant be serious. If Bryant goes to San Diego the the Cubs get Tatis Jr. And 3 prospects within their top 10 all 3 within their top 30
Cubs would be doing cartwheels if they could get Tatis for Bryant straight up.
Tatis is worth two Bryants easily
I hope this isn’t out of spite for that error . could have happened to everyone. I like the Padres in this deal. Davis might be their 3 or 4 and can pitch like a 2.
This is a major buy low on Luis Urias! The brewers better hope he turns it around quickly otherwise this is a deal they will ultimately regret in a big way!
He’s 22 with little ML experience. That’s not even close to buying low. You must not know what that means.
They just got a 22 y/o MI with 6 years of control who got on base at a .371 clip in September and a back-end starter/swingman with 5 years of control for a decent starter who is a FA in 2 years and the guy that blew the Wild Card game for them. They are doing cartwheels right now.
Margot for Villar ?
Villar is going to be DFA’d in a month or so.. nobody is trading anything of value for Villar who is slotted to make $10.4 mil in arb… He will be a FA in January— I do see a Myers (salary Dump) + a Margot (or other prospects) for Villar type deal to add Cap space in SD
Or today.
VR hasn’t been good hasn’t been all that good since he was on Houston
Uhhh… no. He was great as a Brewer too. He was 1 HR shy of joining Eric Davis as the only members of the 20/60 club.
Well Davies had a 2.94 AWAY ERA (top 12 in all of baseball in 2019) not a fluke either Career AWAY ERA 3.04…
For Comparison Noah 3.40 in 19, 3.30 career
I know, I know ERA.. BUT still… Davies is a good get for Pads… Lauer was on his way to the SDP Bullpen as they are adding 2 SP (Davies is one), rumors circulating about Wheeler or Ryu being the other… So this trade sort of “one sided” in Pads favor— Urias has no speed, little power and is a “70” Bat and all world fielder so he has a high floor but likely wont ever be on the elite of the elite (Altuve level)… Grisham is basically a Lefty Urias hitting wise, has a better approach at the plate, plays a position of needed upgrade in SD… So a swap of 22 yr olds that covers needs for both… I see the Trade + Pomz add as a +4 WAR swing for 2020… Pomz + Davies + Grisham +4 WAR VS Lauer + Urias for 2020… Long term who knows if Urias can maximize his 3 tools to offset his other two marginal ones then Brewers will have a solid #2 hitter with GG Defense at 2B… But Grisham Power/Eye/Speed trifecta could continue to develop a la 2019… I mean between AA/AAA he was .300/.407/.603 1.010 OPS in 2019.. and looked a lot more comfortable than Urias at the MLB level vs Urias MLB start… I like it as a Padre fan
I guess the Padres are one less destination for Starling Matte after this deal.
Seems like the Brewers got the better of this deal. I get that the Padres are looking to move into contention, but last year, they were worse than the White Sox, even after getting Machado. Just seems they should’ve been patient for one more year to let their kids develop so they can see their long-term needs and assets more clearly.
milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=606019#/career…
Dont sleep on this late bloomer as SD starting 2B in 2020… Quiroz/France/Garcia/Kinsler as of now battling for 2B… Padres are very high on this young man.. Alsd top Pads prospect Xavier Edwards (AA) is almost ready to graduate to the MLB (a la Tatis Jr maybe skip AAA) Edwards has an advanced Bat and approach, can fly (a la one of the fastest players in baseball) and has good defensive skills, the part of his game that is developing at a slower pace is his power, but the rest of his game is at or close to MLB ready…
I’m as high on Edwards as anyone but he won’t be major league ready until 2021, best case scenario.
*Marte
I don’t get it at all.
Since it is probably too early to rely on their pro stats, it looks like an exchange of a ~ a #20 prospect for someone not rated.
On the pitching side, Davis might be the equivalent of Lauer, but Lauer has 5 years left.
And it is not like SD was in need of another outfielder or another #3/4 SP. Unless Preller sees something in Urias that suggests he is fatally flawed, I think SD got fleeced.
Urias isn’t a top 20 prospect anymore, he’s dropped because he cant hit MLB pitching yet. Maybe in Milwaukee though!
He came off the prospect boards because he has too many major league AB’s to qualify as a prospect anymore you idiot!
because he cant hit MLB pitching yet
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I’m not sure what you mean by ‘yet’. He’s only been a starter for 2 months.
In August, he had a .667 OPS.
In September, he had a .796.
All in all, it is too tiny a sample to make a conclusion. Which is why I fall back on Urias being a 55 FV, while Grisham was rated as a 40 FV (FG).
It just looks like everything is wrong with this trade.
They may not have the same internal grade on Urias. They also have Xavier Edwards and Owen Miller advancing up the pipeline. Entirely possible he believes those 2 are better long term options. Today the deal looks very good for Milwaukee but perhaps there is another gear in Grisham. He’s capable of playing all 3 OF slots and he was a top 15 pick so it’s not as if he was some non regarded scrub.
We’ll see but I generally agree with you that it’s a questionable move. My thought is that maybe he believes Grisham is a CF and he shops Margot in a weak CF market. I guess we’ll see.
Davies road splits are much better also FWIW. Though that might just be noise. But Lauer going to Milwaukee is definitely a downgrade in parks.
Fleeced? That implies you gave up something good. Sound like all 4 of these guys arent that great.. Sorry brewers Urias aint a star.
Urias is gonna be another Rizzo/Turner situation.
Are you drinking, Urias at best will average .250 for a BA in Miller park
Nope. Preller blew it here again.
Yup
Does anyone here follow baseball? I can’t believe all this talk about Urias being worthless/lost cause. You know starting last season he was ranked your best prospect (not counting major leaguers Tatis Jr. and Paddock) technically he was 3rd because they didn’t have enough Mlb experience. Should I remind Padres fans that you also have one of the DEEPER farm systems?!?! For those of you that don’t know what that means, it means you have one of the best farm systems in the league. I would be happy trading a player like Grisham for a prospect of the caliber that Urias is…. with a ton of upside, not to mention the trade value Urias holds. Remember last trade deadline when your GM didn’t want to include Urias for a big arm?! Well now you got a number 4 rotation piece and an OF that had a flash of success. Great trade for Stearns and the Crew. If he is anything close to a Rizzo/Turner situation, blessed be Sir Stearns and his Counsel
You’ve been eating too many Miller Park dogs the Padres won on this deal, not even close, I’ll take Davies over Lauer anyday and Urias is nothing special, lots of hype and so far no show. Padres gave Urias lots of time to show what he could do, his negativity will not be good in the Brewers clubhouse.
Love a good ball park dog, too bad it won’t be called Miller Park soon, only to us hopefuls. I’m glad you’re getting hyped on an OF who batted .231 upon being called up. Yet you’re happy to dismiss your best prospect beginning of 2019 because he had a poor showing with almost 0 MLB experience. Only time will tell. Yeah you’ll take Davies now, but I like having control of a decent young LHP for the next 4 years. You provide some much UNneeded insight
WHAT NEGATIVITY!?!?!?!?!?!?
And the Padres gave him no time to show what he could do.
Could be really good for Davies in that ballpark.
I agree!
I imagine they will give France the 2B job and see how he does over an entire season. He’s intriguing for sure
They’ve got Kinsler/Garcia too currently
Now that a PTBNL or cash is being brought up, I am thinking the Padres got robbed… Again.
ok, first of all..;.Lauer is not a future all-star. Urias was/is one of the main weaknesses offensively for the Padres. Neither will be missed and neither have any value going forward.
I don’t know much about Davis or Grisham but I truly believe the Padres are in better shape after this trade. We have a few players who will exceed Urias in terms of productivity, both defensive and offensively. I like this trade.
Bro, Urias only has 302 major league PA’s and won’t be 23 until June. And he showed what he was capable of in the last month of the season when they stopped misusing him. How does he “have no value going forward?”
Do you know how baseball works? To say a 22 year old, Urias will have no value moving forward is laughable. He hasn’t even registered a full season at the MLB level not to mention reaching a (career) total of 500 ABs in the Majors. Not every prospect is a Trout and can come in and put up the numbers right away at age 18-21. This trade makes excellent sense for the Brewers and Sterns again is thinking ahead. Yeah we need pitching but Lauer and Davies are similar. Not to mention it gives us the option of having a lefty in the rotation, which we have been missing. Oh yeah, he’s also only 24. We got rid of an OF and we have others in the minors to take Grisham’s place on the bench. Urias will give Arcia some pressure to compete all the while having the potential of flipping one of them on the trade market if both can perform offensively. Preller got SNOOKERED as themaven states below. Like he says, the Padres have a mess in the outfield and not enough playing time. I only see one major leaguer going back to the Padres since you can’t play 5 OFs at one time. And honestly, Grisham have a chance at starting for one major league team realistically in 2020 and that’s the Royals.
And Grisham single-handedly lost the Wild Card game for MIL.
While It’s not all his fault, but it is, all the better! So add that to the Pros list in this trade for the Brewers
We’ll take Grisham who looks like a real good LH OF with plenty of potential better than Urias.
Preller got snookered in this deal.
Sure Urias stuggled as 21 yo major leaguer,to say he has no future because of that is short sighted to the extreme.Middle infielders with his kind of talent are a valuable commodity
Lauer and Davies are similar types of pitchers,but Davies has been quite good at the major league level ,Lauer has less experience and thus more years of control,he also doesn’t have the persistent arm troubles Davies has battled in his career.
Grisham is a mid level prospect who got to the majors on schedule but his minor league numbers are nothing special and he just adds another piece to the mess that is the Padres outfield.
I agred with the label of “mess” I would place Preller down in a scouting position and hire a real GM.
The mess as you call the OF will see Myers gone and Naylor gone, in retrospect the OF will need another bat once these two are history.
Neither will be gone. We will only add to the mess
You would have to find another Preller to take on Myers contract,he might get cut but that will be the only way he’s gone and they’ll still be paying him regardless.
Naylor is a DH type so he has limited appeal ,but Preller seems adept at giving away talent so I agree with you on him.
Lauer is rough on the Dodgers, can’t say I’m heartbroken having him out of the division. Now if Arizona can hurry up and trade Ray…
This is bad.
Well I guess this explains why they didn’t DFA Kinsler…
Urias is a future all star, I predict this will be a poor trade.
Urias will be a future AS for the EP AAA team not in the Bigs, you’ll see in two years if he’s still playing on a regular basis.
I bet Urias has a better career than either of the two guys we picked up
Combined.
Saw this on another site.
Let me tell you a story about a prospect named Anthony Rizzo. He batted .141 with a .523 OPS and -0.4 WAR in his first major league callup at the age of 22. Fans of his team said that he had a “long swing,” that he “couldn’t lay off pitches in the dirt” that he was “uncoachable” and that he “couldn’t hit it out of a big park.” He was traded the following offseason for an injury prone pitcher who most expected wouldn’t stick in a major league rotation.
I don’t need to tell you what happened next.
Are you talking about Bill Brasky!?!?
Plot twist: PTBNL=…..DUN DUN DUN WIIIIIL MYEERERRRRRRRRRRRSSSSSS
That’s the ONLY thing that would keep this trade from being a big fat F
Terrible trade by the Padres. Grisham is not bad but he is 23 and likely a 4th OF while urias likely is a second baseman but could be a Howie Kendrick type who hits .290 with 12 bombs and solid obp.
Davies had massive luck last year, (3.5 ERA, 4.5 fip) and comes with only 2 years of control.
I did not realize Davies only had two years of control left. That does change the analysis.
Bottom line, you really have to believe that Urias is a complete bust to be able to like that trade.