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Diamondbacks Sign Madison Bumgarner

By George Miller | December 17, 2019 at 3:50pm CDT

DECEMBER 17: The deal is now official.

Zach Buchanan of The Athletic reports further details on the contract structure (Twitter links). Bumgarner will earn just $6MM in 2020 before receiving successive salaries of $19MM, $23MM, $23MM, and $14MM. In each of the middle three campaigns, $5MM is deferred without interest. That money will be paid out in 2025-27.

DECEMBER 15: The Diamondbacks are closing in on a five-year deal that will bring free agent left-hander Madison Bumgarner to Arizona, reports ESPN’s Jeff Passan. The deal comes with an $85MM guarantee, according to Jon Heyman of MLB Network, with The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal adding that $15MM of that total will come in the form of deferred payments. Per Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic, the deal also includes a limited no-trade clause that allows Bumgarner to block trades to five teams.

It’s a somewhat surprising conclusion to Bumgarner’s first trip through free agency; while the 30-year-old had garnered well-documented interest from big-market teams like the Dodgers and Braves, the Diamondbacks were given relatively little attention as one of the teams pursuing the lefty. However, it seems that this match may have been motivated in part by the player’s interest in a team: Andrew Baggarly of The Athletic speculates that Bumgarner may have had larger offers on the table, but the geographic attraction of Arizona placed the Diamondbacks atop his list. In adding Bumgarner for $85MM, the Diamondbacks have handed out the second-largest contract in franchise history, behind only the mega-deal that brought Zack Greinke to the D-Backs prior to 2015.

And the price tag may look a bit low for Bumgarner, who was said to have his sights set on a nine-figure contract this winter. That seemed increasingly likely once the Phillies doled out $118MM to Zack Wheeler. Bumgarner is less than a year older than Wheeler and owns an undeniably stronger track record — interestingly, Bumgarner already had two championship rings by the time Wheeler made his MLB debut — but the disparity is indicative of teams’ belief in Wheeler’s projection, whereas Bumgarner’s best days could already be behind him. MLBTR had predicted that MadBum would end up with a four-year, $72MM deal. The actual contract adds another guaranteed season at a lesser rate of pay.

It may be that Bumgarner could have topped $100MM had he signed elsewhere. His reps gave other organizations the sense there there were multiple offers at that level, per Bob Nightengale of USA Today (via Twitter). Bumgarner evidently preferred to land in Arizona.

The Diamondbacks are clearly optimistic about Bumgarner’s future. While his numbers have certainly dipped noticeably from his stellar 2011-2016 span, Bumgarner is still a solid, reliable starter who has churned out 200-plus innings on a yearly basis. In 2019, his 3.90 ERA was the worst mark he’s posted in his career, but his strikeout rate reached its highest point since 2016. His home/road splits have been a noteworthy point of contention for those debating his value; having spent his entire career in the pitcher-friendly confines of Oracle Park, it’s fair to question how well he would fare in a different ballpark. With just a 35.8% groundball rate and a hard-hit rate that ranks in only the 10th percentile, skeptics may project an uptick in home runs outside of San Francisco.

Of course, we can’t discuss Madison Bumgarner without chronicling his legendary postseason ledger: during the heyday of the Giants’ early-2010s dynasty, MadBum tossed 102 1/3 innings of 2.11-ERA ball in October, including a 2014 run in which he shouldered the San Francisco pitching staff and worked 21 innings in the World Series alone.

With Bumgarner departing San Francisco after turning down the qualifying offer, the Giants will acquire a complementary draft choice in the 2020 draft, which adds to a healthy stable of picks that includes compensation received for Will Smith’s departure. The Diamondbacks, meanwhile, will surrender their third-highest draft pick as an additional cost for signing Bumgarner.

Much to the dismay of the San Francisco faithful, Bumgarner will remain the NL West, where he’ll face his former club several times every year. If it’s any consolation, Bumgarner won’t be donning Dodger blue when he makes his return. Still, the $17MM AAV that Bumgarner will earn over the next five years is certainly affordable and calls into question just how hard the Giants pushed to retain Bumgarner, even at a reasonable price. Giants fans can certainly be forgiven if there’s frustration that a franchise icon won’t spend his entire career with the team that drafted him.

Additionally, it’s possible that adding Bumgarner might afford the D-Backs greater freedom to explore trading lefty Robbie Ray, who has by now grown tired of hearing his name rumored in trades. He’s expected to earn just about $11MM in 2020, and with the Bumgarner signing representing another top-flight pitching option flying off the market, there’s a chance that pitcher-needy contenders, growing anxious at the shrinking supply of starters, could be more willing to pony up a shiny return for Ray. Even without Ray, the D-Backs’ starting rotation looks like a point of strength: Bumgarner will join rookie standout Zac Gallen, Luke Weaver, Mike Leake, and Merrill Kelly in the projected opening day rotation. Jon Duplantier and Corbin Martin, acquired in the deal that sent Greinke to Houston, loom as other options to contend for starts.

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  1. juanpursuit

    1 year ago

    Why tho?

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    • francys08

      1 year ago

      Yes. I like it. At least he will not play for the Dodgers. He is still young, but Mr. Zaidi did not re-sign him.

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      • StandUpGuy

        1 year ago

        What are MadBums numbers in phoenix the past 2 years? High ERA or low? If it is a great pitchers park like San Fran it might be good but if he gets shelled there like he does a lot of places this is a mistake.

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        • yogineely

          1 year ago

          Hitters park

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        • gmenfan

          1 year ago

          3.13 ERA with 1.161 WHIP and 1 HR/9 in AZ over his career. Oddly, not one of his better hitting parks though.

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        • antibelt

          1 year ago

          His era away is 5.29 and whip 1.41. Hitters park will not do him any favors.

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        • claude raymond

          1 year ago

          Good numbers tho

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        • fox471

          1 year ago

          Not a pitchers park.

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        • RedFeather

          1 year ago

          Again way to miss on this STL

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        • StandUpGuy

          1 year ago

          Yeah.. I wasn’t really looking for his career numbers there. I am more interested in his numbers in AZ over the past 2 or 3 years because he is clearly a different pitcher than he was when he started. I guess the obvious thing is that when he pitched in AZ the last couple years he always did it against the anemic D-Backs offense. He won’t have that luxury now. If it’s a hitters park (with no humidity like the San Francisco Bay) this could be bad. I dunno. $17 mill a year is a lot but it’s not even half as much as Strasburg got in AAV so I guess if he is half as good as Strasburg it’s win for the Diamondbacks? Same innings pitched, twice the ERA? Or just half the wins? I don’t see MadBum getting half the WAR.

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        • Phil Ebarb

          1 year ago

          The diamondbacks offense while not good over the last two years has been roughly in the middle of the league in wrc+ whereas the giants have been 25th and 28th the last two years so he’ll be replacing mediocre for terrible and therefore this contract will work out perfectly with no issues.

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        • johnrealtime

          1 year ago

          Tap the player’s name in the post. A baseball reference page will load. Scroll down and select “Splits”. Select the year that you desire. Scroll down to the “Ballparks” section.

          *High five*

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        • SocraticGadfly

          1 year ago

          It’s Mo. He’s “considering.” And Goold will be turd-polishing tomorrow morning.

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        • gmenfan

          1 year ago

          Then go look up that info, I suppose.

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        • gray

          1 year ago

          Weren’t the Cardinals on his no trade list? I didn’t think he would sign with them.

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        • mlb1225

          1 year ago

          He made his no trade clause list out of teams he wanted to go to. Obviously no bad team, such as the Orioles or Marlins are going to trade prospects for a guy who had 1 year left on his contract, but a contending team would. He made it basically so he had a choice of what good team he wanted to go to.

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        • Koamalu

          1 year ago

          Starting pitchers are not like position players. You can’t say well how did they do lately on the road. They get 1-2 road games per season at any particular divisional rival.

          Bumgarner had 17 starts at Chase Field over a 10 year career. That is the number you need to look at. The stadium hasn’t changed and his ERA is exactly the same at Chase Field as his career averages playing everywhere. His ERA+ is lower at Chase Field than his career averages.

          He has 2 starts at Chase Field the last 2 seasons. 5 runs given up over 11 1/3 inning. 3.97 ERA This season he gave up 1 run in 5 IP in May, last season he gave up 4 runs in 6.1 IP in August. Not a big enough sample size to determine anything with certainty. Still right around his performance for the 2 seasons overall.

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        • mfm420

          1 year ago

          9 runs in 17 1/3 innings vs arizona at arizona last 2 years, so about a 5.00 era or something close to that

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        • wordonthestreet

          1 year ago

          No trade list usually is of teams a player thinks may want to trade for him so the player has leverage to ok the deal and ask for financial reward to approve the trade

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        • TheLawAbides

          1 year ago

          ESPN has where you can sort for last 3 seasons, at Chase, era north of 4. Pitched there twice last season 6.1/4runs and 6/4 runs

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        • DarthDbacks

          1 year ago

          @koamalu Technically the stadium itself hasn’t changed, but the use of a humidor has been implemented the last 2 years that has seemingly caused it to be less hitter friendly than it used to be. Chase field over the last 2 years is right about 1 for park factor depending on which site you use (yes I know lots of factors involved with a relatively small sample size).

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        • Polymath

          1 year ago

          Robbie Ray to StL for one or two of their surplus outfielders. Both teams improve.

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        • bigrickdeemann

          1 year ago

          Doesn’t matter how he pitched. The park is what it is. A hitters Park. There’s really no denying that.

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      • SocraticGadfly

        1 year ago

        You’ve got a Cards logo and you like it? You LIKE Mo once again doing nothing, especially at that relatively cheap price, double especially since part of the price is deferred?

        SMH.

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        • francys08

          1 year ago

          SocraticGadfly- Don’t be obsessed with a team. Yes, the Cardinals are my favorite team, but I also like other teams. You can like or support other teams too be a fan of baseball. Remember this normally your team will not always win a World Series every year. Oh yes, the Cards have not done anything so far, but relax the market is too high on free agents right now. Believe in Mozeliak. The Cards will sign one or two players at the right time.

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        • CardsNation5

          1 year ago

          It’s easy to spend others money. The Cardinals wasn’t going to sign him because they’re deep in pitching. If they need something at the deadline, they’ll get it.

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    • reddird12

      1 year ago

      Its called trying to win!!!

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      • Dogbone

        1 year ago

        I wonder if the CWS were runner ups?
        AGAIN.

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    • Dbacks44

      1 year ago

      Hes an ace. 29 years old. Only 16 mil a year. Hes a workhorse. Plus now they have still 15 mil to get an outfielder. Then ray gets traded for players. Hazen is awesome.

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      • triber4life

        1 year ago

        Ace? No. He is a good number 2 or 3 and Ace in playoffs in the past.

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        • Dbird777

          1 year ago

          Numbers last few years have him a number 3. Which is okay, but the Snakes sure did overpay.

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        • triber4life

          1 year ago

          I like madbum and his heart. It’s not a knock but he is not an ace. I think it’s a good depth piece.

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        • Dbacks44

          1 year ago

          He was on a bad team and was injured. The dude is 29. He will be a cy young again easily. How quickly people forget.

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        • luclusciano

          1 year ago

          Looks like the signing is not for ace numbers. Close to what wheeler got – good deal

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        • triber4life

          1 year ago

          He was never a cy young winner, so how can he be again? I would rather have klubot at what Texas gave up and he is an actual Cy young winner.. twice in fact in case you ever like to watch baseball from time to time. It’s fun.

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        • 22Leo

          1 year ago

          He has never won a Cy Young.. “How quickly people forget?” I suppose you aren’t forgetting anything if you do not know what you are talking about in the first place.

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        • Dbird777

          1 year ago

          @triber4life

          Tough break not selling high on Klubs last year. Enough about the past though, what’ll it take for my Reds to get Lindor?

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        • Dbacks44

          1 year ago

          Yes sorry I thought he won one year when he won 18 games. The point is he will go back to that caliber pitcher.

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        • mlb1225

          1 year ago

          Yea, no. He will be solid. Probably produce a 3.80 ERA/FIP, but his win total is going to be reliant if the D-Backs give him run support;

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        • Dbacks44

          1 year ago

          Right. Giants never scored for him. I can easily see him pitching to 3.40 era with 19 games won. Diamondbacks are a sneaky good team. This year they will win 90.games

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        • mlb1225

          1 year ago

          That’s some very hopeful thinking. He is going to be leaving the most pitcher friendly park in 2019 to go to a fairly hitter friendly park. I don’t see him winning 19 games, although that doesn’t really matter. What matters is that a 3.4 ERA is pretty generous considering his home/away splits, as well with his declining performance.

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        • MasterShake

          1 year ago

          Your homer glasses… wow!

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        • Al Jab

          1 year ago

          Dbacks, yeah, I forgot he won the Cy young award, what year was that?

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        • lfcredsox

          1 year ago

          keep telling yourself that

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        • lfcredsox

          1 year ago

          so is every pitchers

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        • larry48

          1 year ago

          I would take the under 90 wins for Arizona.

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        • oldoak33

          1 year ago

          Why do people keep calling guys that have guaranteed spots in a rotation for millions of dollars “depth pieces”?

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        • triber4life

          1 year ago

          I think the reds would be a good fit. I think a package centered around India. Maybe santillan in there, Gutierrez. You prob see Siri and Alfredo Garcia names mentioned. I think the reds will not trade Greene or lodola, which I would not either. I think lindor goes to the dodgers though.

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        • triber4life

          1 year ago

          Jose Garcia. Dang typo

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        • spinach

          1 year ago

          They just got this guy for less than Ian Kennedy got a few years ago. A number 3… name 60 pitchers you’d rather have in your rotation. People are nuts, this is one of the best value signings I’ve seen in a while. Truly shocked they got him so cheap, I best he wanted to play out there for some particular reason and that he was only strongly considering NL clubs due to batting.

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        • SFGiants4ever

          1 year ago

          @spinach, I agree at worst Bum is a #2. All these people that want to knock him first he started 34 games last year and had about a dozen bad starts which lifted his ERA. He pitched that many games and innings for the first time in 3 years so building up that strength again.
          They differed some of that money so it won’t hurt the team for signing other players.
          I really think Zaidi just wants to get rid of all the players that were a part of the old regime and bring in a bunch of mediocre players that won’t question his methods like he did with the managerial job.

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        • Zerbs63

          1 year ago

          He has never won a cy young so yes it was easy to forget

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        • hopper15

          1 year ago

          I don’t know why people keep calling him 29. He’s 30.

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      • rnz269

        1 year ago

        Not a bad contract, but Bumgarner’s no longer close to an ace. ZIPS and Steamer have him at a ~4.60 ERA/FIP next year.

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      • bj82

        1 year ago

        He’s not an Ace.

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      • SalaryCapMyth

        1 year ago

        Why does anyone post career stats as an evaluation of what the pitcher can do now? Bumgarner didnt perform well in Arizona last year with 3 starts and an ERA of 4.19. It is a small sample size but it’s also in line with his home/road splits for the whole year.

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        • SocraticGadfly

          1 year ago

          His career splits for Zona actually aren’t that much worse than back at home. baseball-reference.com/players/split.fcgi?id=bumga…

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        • SalaryCapMyth

          1 year ago

          Again..career stats are not a representation of what a pitcher can do NOW! Look at what he is capable of NOW! The production he gave 4 years ago isnt what he is going to do in 2020.

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      • jorge78

        1 year ago

        Uh, that’s 17 million a year…..

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      • SocraticGadfly

        1 year ago

        ACE? Not even close, not even at his best. He barely broke 5 WAR once in his career.

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        • bigcheesegrilledontoast

          1 year ago

          I disagree, at his best he was an ace. You can toss up all the numbers you like, the results and championships speak for themselves.

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      • Ry.the.Stunner

        1 year ago

        He’s 30, not 29

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      • wordonthestreet

        1 year ago

        @Dbacks44

        His numbers indicate his ace days are long gone and the contract also reflects that. By they way its $17m AAV not $16m

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    • frankjovine

      1 year ago

      Guys way overpaid!

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    • deweybelongsinthehall

      1 year ago

      Limited no trade. Many more years than I expected but with money deferred, I can AZ trading him at some point. Depending on how he’s pitching, it could be for quite a haul.

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    • RedSox4Life4ever

      1 year ago

      D’backs hoping for Randy Johnson 2.0

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    • jdan74

      1 year ago

      Maybe he likes cacti. That’s cactuses, plural.

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  2. Casey

    1 year ago

    at least it isnt the Dodgers. thanks for everything.

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    • david722

      1 year ago

      Yep. As a Dodger fan I’m glad he’s not a Dodger.

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      • gmenfan

        1 year ago

        Yeah, we know. You’re only partial to Big Lefties who wet the bed in the playoffs.

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        • SalaryCapMyth

          1 year ago

          I bet he’s also partial to pitchers who don’t wet the bed during the regular season and posters who dont post career numbers as though its a representation of what a pitcher is currently capable of. Maybe you want to check out Bumgarners PRESENT road splits at Arizona?

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        • nymetsking

          1 year ago

          The one they have now lays giant deuces tho.

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        • Frisco500

          1 year ago

          Gmen, that made me laugh hard af

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        • gmenfan

          1 year ago

          Sorry, Mrs. Kershaw, but posters who ask open ended questions about stats that are too lazy to actually look it up on their own will take what they get and like it. Do your own homework, m’am.

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        • Eatdust666

          1 year ago

          LMAO

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        • dperez1

          1 year ago

          Pull the wedgy out of your crack sweet cheeks. Nothing was mentioned of stats. All he said was he’s glad buttgammer was not a Dodger. You gnat fans are so sensitive. Lol.

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  3. joshua.barron1

    1 year ago

    Good thing they’ve traded away all their expensive good pieces for past three years

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    • brioche

      1 year ago

      Just the expensive ones. MadBum gives them a great ace in a very good rotation, they have a good lineup, and a top 5 farm. Future looks good for the D-Backs.

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      • mlb1225

        1 year ago

        Top 5 farm is a bit of a stretch. It isn’t bad, but more like top 10.

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        • 99socalfrc

          1 year ago

          Who needs to worry about the farm when you are bringing back MLB pieces. Hazen nailed the Goldschmidt trade big time and brainwashed the Marlins into giving him Gallen.

          Hazen is IMO one of the best GM’s in baseball

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        • bradthebluefish

          1 year ago

          Well said. And yes, Hazen sure is doing things smartly and relatively quickly! The Diamondbacks are turning things around while still being competitive this whole time. It’s quite impressive.

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        • highheat

          1 year ago

          Not really a stretch, at the end of last season FanGraphs had them valued as the 5th best farm system. Their ranking is also a lot more likely to change than most, as most of their high ranking prospects are still at the A/A+ Ball level (have the potential to jump into the 55/60 tier of prospects).

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      • Cam

        1 year ago

        He’s not an ace, no matter how much D’back fans try to say otherwise.

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        • SFGiants4ever

          1 year ago

          @Cam he may not be an “ace” any longer, but he is still a darn good pitcher. He started 34 games last year and without digging through stats he had about 12 games that were rough and those drove his ERA up. diamondbacks got themselves a gamer for a much better deal than philly paid Wheeler.

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  4. baseballpun

    1 year ago

    Hmm.

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  5. nlp31

    1 year ago

    Dodgers, what the heck?

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  6. joshb600

    1 year ago

    Wow!

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    • dimitrios in la

      1 year ago

      I’d say so. First response is quite simple: good deal.

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  7. homeunderdog

    1 year ago

    We will miss you MadBum.

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    • dimitrios in la

      1 year ago

      If your a Giants fan he’s in your lore permanently.

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  8. Strike Four

    1 year ago

    AZ has a terrible offense and defense and 5 certified SPs on the roster, but sure ok.

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    • braves25

      1 year ago

      Probably going to be trading Ray

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      • Strike Four

        1 year ago

        If that’s true, doesn’t it devalue Ray’s trade value? Like, all teams can see they need to drop him, the onus is on AZ not them.

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        • Marc_from_Brooklyn

          1 year ago

          Yes, though taking Bumgarner off the market increases Ray’s value to teams hunting for starters

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        • SoCalBrave

          1 year ago

          I don’t think so, probably the opposite. More teams will be in the bidding for Ray now. Higher demand, higher value.

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        • hiflew

          1 year ago

          But they don’t NEED to drop him. This is MLB. You can’t have enough starting pitchers. It’s not like Ray is making Greinke dollars or something.

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        • SFGiants4ever

          1 year ago

          @strike four, it doesn’t devalue him because they don’t have to trade him, they can keep him and move someone else if they wanted to.

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      • myaccount

        1 year ago

        Definitely will now, I feel like.

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    • 44odom

      1 year ago

      Top 10 in offense,10 5 in defense. How bout you watch some baseball before you comment

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      • Strike Four

        1 year ago

        In 2019 yes that was true, but I’m talking about 2020. They’ve lost a lot of defense and I don’t think Marte repeats. Just my opinion.

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        • JohnnyBets67

          1 year ago

          “They’ve lost a lot of defense”

          They lost David Peralta. No facts! I’m strike four!

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        • Strike Four

          1 year ago

          They lost Dyson, Avila and to a lesser extent, Greinke.

          Strike Four: All facts. All the time. You hate facts if you hate what I say!

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        • hiflew

          1 year ago

          You literally said in the previous comment that it was “just my opinion.” 8 minutes later it’s “All facts. All the time.”

          Dude, you are just too much. Appreciate the chuckle though.

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        • sevans36

          1 year ago

          How do you have facts for something that has not happened yet. Nice try at backtracking. Give you credit for that, lol

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        • Strike Four

          1 year ago

          Yeah its almost like one was a joke and one wasnt!

          “Are you not entertained?”

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        • mlb1225

          1 year ago

          His bat might regress, but Marte’s defense has always been one of his strong suits. Plus losing Adam Jones already improves their defense since he was one of their worst defenders in 2019.

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        • mlb1225

          1 year ago

          Walker was a plus defender last season, (9 DRS), as well as Locastro (2 DRS, 4 in RF) and Rojas (4 DRS). Cron probably isn’t going to be a major contributor next season, and Leyba didn’t even see 50 innings as a fielder last season. I’ll give you Lamb, but with Jones gone, who was one of their worst defenders, it kind of balances out the loss of either Avila or Dyson.

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        • highheat

          1 year ago

          Walker was literally a GG finalist last season. Avila was a part-time player (as was Dyson), Rojas was measured as a positive in the OF (when he’s traditionally an IF), and Locastro was a positive (despite being a converted IF, he’s only getting better with reps). Everybody else listed was part time players. Don’t hate my guy, it’s bad for your health.

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        • Saint Chris

          1 year ago

          Funny how no one is bringing up Nick Ahmed, maybe the best defensive shortstop in baseball.

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        • highheat

          1 year ago

          Most of us were just correcting his asinine claims.

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        • Strike Four

          1 year ago

          Gold gloves mean nothing.

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        • Strike Four

          1 year ago

          Yes, because I did not say “every single player on the dbax is a bad defender”. Clown comment bro.

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        • Strike Four

          1 year ago

          @highheat

          Most of you are outing yourselves as people who can’t read. Congrats.

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        • highheat

          1 year ago

          My guy, you are hilarious. For somebody that reads stats and watches so much baseball, you’re pretty uninformed on team rankings and defensive metrics (you know, the metrics that peak earlier in player’s careers and fall off after that). Dyson had less than half the UZR from the season before in CF in double the playing time, but you can guarantee it’s a loss in value for the DBacks next season for not bringing him back? And I shouldn’t need to tell you about the aging curve for C. This will be last comment to you on here, because I’m honestly tired of scrolling through to pick and choose which of your idiotic drivel comments to poke holes in while you sit back and proudly proclaim that you’re spewing facts and personally attack people that don’t agree with your preconceived notions (which are statistically not backed up). Pretty much the only comment you’ve stated that was a fact was that the DBacks lost Dyson, Avila, and Greinke. Sit back and pat back yourself on the back while telling yourself that you’ve won your discussions. Which, mind you, will be as accurate of a statement as all your other “facts”. Have a happy holiday season.

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    • reddird12

      1 year ago

      Terrible Defense???

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      • Strike Four

        1 year ago

        Im talking 2020 not 2019.

        Losing Avila, Greinke and Dyson takes them down a lot.

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        • myaccount

          1 year ago

          LOL. A pitcher who plays once every five games and fields a couple balls per game hurts their defense that badly? Ok

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        • Strike Four

          1 year ago

          Avila and Dyson had the highest UZR ratings on the team last year, they are gone now. Numbers mean things.

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        • brioche

          1 year ago

          Avila isn’t a big loss…. They lost Greinke but gained Gallen and now have MadBum (and the prospects from that trade) so not a big loss there, Dysons 1.3 WAR is replaceable….

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        • Strike Four

          1 year ago

          Avila is a massive loss, what are you talking about? He’s an elite defender.

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        • JDGoat

          1 year ago

          Cmon dude. Avila is useful, but he’s nowhere near a massive loss.

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        • myaccount

          1 year ago

          Fangraphs explicity says there is no true UZR for catchers, so obviously your numbers don’t mean things and fieldint as a catcher means little. Framing and blocking are much more important. SB prevention is much more important. DRS is much more important.

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        • Strike Four

          1 year ago

          Those are opinions, not fact.

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    • tp44

      1 year ago

      Ya definetly didn’t have 3 gold glove winners and 5 finalists the defense was so bad it was top 5 last year

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      • Strike Four

        1 year ago

        Im not arguing that they were good last year, but the current roster is nothing special.

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        • tp44

          1 year ago

          They lost 2 backups and a horrible defensive starter how about u watch a baseball game before you comment

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        • Strike Four

          1 year ago

          I watch more baseball than every poster on here combined, AZ has bad defense as of right now. Pack rat imbeciles on here can’t read.

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        • Col. Taylor

          1 year ago

          forget to take your Arrogance medicine? ?

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    • Phiilies2020

      1 year ago

      Arizona has one of the best defenses in all of MLB. It’s probably their best team attribute.

      Steeee-rike four, yer out!

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      • Strike Four

        1 year ago

        Yes, in 2019. I am taking 2020.

        Their current RF is Josh Rojas. Jake Lamb is terrible and will be seeing major playing time. Stephen Vogt is probably going to be playing a lot. They lost Greinke, Dyson and Avila, three big UZR guys who put the team up the ranks. They are not a good defensive team right now, facts.

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        • Briffle

          1 year ago

          Who the heck cares about a pitcher when talking about team defense? Greinke fielded the ball 52 times for Arizona last season. He account for 0.9% of chances for the Diamondbacks last season. Literally non-factor.

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        • SalaryCapMyth

          1 year ago

          @strike four you really don’t take time to look at stats do you? You just say things and think that makes them true. The Diamond Backs scored the 11th most runs during in MLB. That’s not terrible.

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        • mlb1225

          1 year ago

          Why would Vogt see a lot of playing time? He’s their second catcher behind Kelly who can hold his own both offensively and defensively. Rojas had 4 DRS in the outfield last year. I wouldn’t be too worried about him. Why would Lamb see much playing time? Walker and Escobar have the corners nailed down until further notice, and I doubt they would platoon Lamb with Walker since he not only had reverse splits last year, but is more than capable of playing 1B full time.

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        • Mark Firkus

          1 year ago

          Vogt is not going to be playing a lot… ever hear of Carson Kelly? He’s the #1 catcher… and losing Avila is probably a plus for the offense, since his long lost offense made up for any pluses on defense. Locastro has the beginnings to be better than Dyson…. oh and don’t forget the 2-time Gold Glove SS we have too…

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        • Strike Four

          1 year ago

          @SalaryCapMyth – of course I look at stats. how about you learn to read before getting mad at a thing I never even said?

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        • tycobb016

          1 year ago

          remember, numbers mean things.

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        • SalaryCapMyth

          1 year ago

          “AZ has a terrible offense and defense and 5 certified SPs on the roster, but sure ok.”

          @strike four. Have your thinking cap on little buddy? That comment their with those nifty quotation marks on either side is because I am quoting you. I was thinking you were just some 12 year old child that doesnt know how to socialize but your memory is making me think you’re 85 instead.

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    • davemlaw

      1 year ago

      Yeah, that Ketel Marte is awful. Carson Kelly sucks. And Eduardo Escobar’s 35 taters were a mirage.

      If you’re going to talk smack DO BETTER.

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      • Strike Four

        1 year ago

        My question to you is: how can you make posts online when you cant even read?

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    • AZ1998

      1 year ago

      What? Defense is one of the best in the league. Ahmed, Walker, and Peralta all up for GG’s and Marte is solid at CF and 2nd. They’ve been one of the best defenses for a few years now actually. Check fangraphs. Also Marte didn’t just have a good year… he was a consistent .330 AVG 400 OBP and 1.000 OPS the last four months of the year. Even if they don’t trade Ray, (which a part of me believes why would you ever trade a 28 year old 200k pitcher when you trying to win and you already have a boatload of pitching depth and money for years so letting him walk isn’t the end of the world), they’ll have one of the better rotations. They have had one of the better rotations for three years now in baseball. And Weaver and Gallen look great.

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  9. bennysbeantown

    1 year ago

    Just struggling to see this signing they just got out of the Greinke hiccup and now they are gonna give 100+ to an aging not top of the line starter

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    • keysox

      1 year ago

      Ray is gone. Angels?

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    • CubsHope5

      1 year ago

      Only 5/85 and 15 of that is deferred too

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    • tp44

      1 year ago

      Only 85 million over 5 for madbum

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    • SFGiants4ever

      1 year ago

      @benny, they just gave a #1 starter (not calling him an ace) #2/3 starter money. dbacks got a bargain.

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  10. king beas

    1 year ago

    Can easily say didn’t see this coming

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    • snotrocket

      1 year ago

      He keeps his horses on a ranch in AZ and wanted to be closer to them. You gotta respect that.

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      • king beas

        1 year ago

        Great deal for them in three years he can probably be dealt for a solid haul if they aren’t playoff material yet

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  11. PinstripedPride

    1 year ago

    Wow the Diamondbacks? Side note: when it rains it pours, first Kluber goes now MadBum

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    • HalosHeavenJJ

      1 year ago

      Yep. And the Angels are missing it all as of now.

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      • slider32

        1 year ago

        Time is running out for the Angels, they need to sign a good pitcher fast!

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        • macstruts

          1 year ago

          The Angels were never going to sign MadBum, he want’s to play in the NL, he wanted to hit. Time was running out when Wheeler signed. I’ve been vocal on Wheeler for six weeks.

          The problem with Price and Kluber is the Angels can’t count on them to pitch 100 innings. First and foremost, the Angels need a pitcher who can pitch 170 innings. Ryu doesn’t do that either.

          I hope they are not dumb enough to add Price.

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  12. Ralphie

    1 year ago

    If someone says “why not the Yankees” I’m gonna flip flip out.

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    • BowserCubs

      1 year ago

      Why not the Yankees?

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    • StandUpGuy

      1 year ago

      Why not the Yankees?

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      • StandUpGuy

        1 year ago

        I don’t know about you guys but I’m literally just sitting here waiting for him to flip out. It better be worth the wait or else it’s gonna be a big let down.

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      • HubcapDiamondStarHalo

        1 year ago

        Why not the Mets?

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  13. Haloswoody

    1 year ago

    Can’t see how the Halos couldn’t get Kluber in a clear salary dump and now Madbum going back to the NL…Eppler wake up your job isn’t done yet this offseason and David Price isn’t the answer.

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    • John Luke

      1 year ago

      Perhaps the Angels are working on a huge trade that you have no clue about.

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      • Haloswoody

        1 year ago

        That’s been the dream and the hope is Yu and Wilson Contreras but Yu has full no trade clause still. Thor would be a dream come true but the price would be steep.

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        • Wrek305

          1 year ago

          You’re not getting Contreas for less than 3 players.

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        • HaloHonk4Life

          1 year ago

          No thannks regarding Yu.

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    • atlbraves2010

      1 year ago

      Madbum never left the NL

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  14. Baseball 1600

    1 year ago

    This is the end of an era, and what a glorious era it was. Not many fans can say they’ve witnessed what the average Giants fan has witnessed these past few years with Bumgarner at the top of their rotation.

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  15. TwinsHomer

    1 year ago

    As a Twins fan. This is getting annoying. Always “in on” the guys. Never execute anything. It’s time to sign a contract for an impact pitcher that you’re not comfortable with. Ryu or bust now. Awesome.

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    • Juan g

      1 year ago

      Poor twinkies. Great offense will never get past those yankees unless they get a ace

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    • TwinsHomer

      1 year ago

      85 over 5 with 15 deferred……… The Twins have arguably 40+ million to spend. I genuinely don’t understand why we wouldn’t sign him for 5 and 90 with non of it deferred. So frustrating man.

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      • Phantomofdb

        1 year ago

        Listen man I’m a twins fan too, but it’s time to wake up and smell the coffee that this team isn’t actually pursuing any big time free agents or trade acquisitions, and never will. Every year they make sure the press knows they’re “kicking the tires”, then guys go affordably elsewhere and we are told that the twins front office “felt like they had solid offers out there but they just couldn’t quite agree on the numbers”. If it’s happened once it’s happened 10 times

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    • Grizzdatwinsfan

      1 year ago

      I’m done going to games honestly. This offseason has been horrible for twins fans.

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    • chicagofan1978

      1 year ago

      As a Sox fan I say hi

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      • ChiSox_Fan

        1 year ago

        Hi!

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      • Grizzdatwinsfan

        1 year ago

        Lmao the sox can’t even overpay for pitching. Good luck with that 80 win season buddy.

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        • chicagofan1978

          1 year ago

          Good luck with another lucky season with a better Sox team breathing down your necks

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      • nymetsking

        1 year ago

        ‘sup!

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        • wonzibells

          1 year ago

          Twins fan here….. Give us Syndergard goddamn it!

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  16. dvogt

    1 year ago

    another contract they will regret just like Grienke deal, try to trade him in a few years for nothing just to clear the books a little.

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    • tp44

      1 year ago

      The dbacks got a haul for greinkie from the Astros

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    • brioche

      1 year ago

      They didn’t do too bad with the Greinke deal. Got a great prospect haul. Also – different GM making the call this time. It’s an affordable contract on a 29 year old. Not too bad at all…

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  17. seamaholic

    1 year ago

    Weirdest signing of the hot stove, that’s for sure. Starting pitching isn’t really their problem, and they JUST traded their previous 30 something ace. to get out from under his contrac.t. This one’s probably bigger and this MadBum isn’t as good as Greinke. Well, OK! Maybe they trade a pitcher for a hitter now?

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    • myaccount

      1 year ago

      Ray will be traded.

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    • Pete'sView

      1 year ago

      I think the real issue is that Arizona is already a hitters park, and MadBum has (recently) been homer-prone. I’m surprised he wanted to land there. But it’s better (as a Giants fan) that he’s there and NOT the Dodgers.

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      • slider32

        1 year ago

        Mad Bum and wife will have a nice horse farm!

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  18. sherlock_

    1 year ago

    *Mind blown

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  19. SoxPow

    1 year ago

    I wonder the reaction he’ll get back at oracle…

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    • gmenfan

      1 year ago

      Standing ovation. Giants fans should have nothing against him, especially if Zaidi wasn’t willing to match what’s looking like ~$17M AAV deal.

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    • dandan

      1 year ago

      Better be a standing ovation.

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  20. Dbacks44

    1 year ago

    As a dback fan. This is the steal we needed. Next they will get an outfielder. Depending on how much this is. I love it. This guy is a horse and is in his prime.

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    • T-Bone22

      1 year ago

      Could see the Cards trade for Ray and Peralta and send some of their young OF/CF in exchange.

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      • gocards2849

        1 year ago

        Id be down. Get our two needs out of the way

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      • Dbacks44

        1 year ago

        Makes sense.

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    • oakdale dude

      1 year ago

      Bumgarner has already been in the league for 10 years. He has alot more inning’s in his arm than most 30 year old pitchers. Can he still be effective? Yes. But in his prime? I don’t think so. He’s not the same pitcher he was 5 years ago

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    • Javia

      1 year ago

      If MadBum was still in his prime he would cost double what he is being paid.

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    • doxiedevil

      1 year ago

      not since his motorcycle wreck

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  21. Hiro

    1 year ago

    Wrong again lol

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  22. janrique

    1 year ago

    Lolololololol are the Angels gonna sign any pitching

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    • CKinSTL

      1 year ago

      I believe Matt Harvey is still unsigned…

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      • Geno55

        1 year ago

        I think the angels trade for Ray or gray from the Colorado Rockies

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  23. Frisco500

    1 year ago

    Sad day for us Giants fans. He’ll always be a Legend here in SF. Respect, and wish you all the best. Hopefully just not against us. Thank you for staying out of LA.

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  24. Ronk325

    1 year ago

    Easily the biggest surprise of the offseason so far. I would think the D-Backs look to trade Ray now for some big league ready talent

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  25. lowtalker1

    1 year ago

    That’s a huge mistake. Going from a pitcher’s park to a hitters park.

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    • oakdale dude

      1 year ago

      Yeah, but just think how many homers Bum will hit now LOL

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  26. bigbluewreckingcrew

    1 year ago

    Do nothing Dodgers strike again.

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  27. mack423

    1 year ago

    Wow! As soon as they’re off the hook of Greinke, they add another $20M annual pitcher on a long-term deal.

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    • DarkSide830

      1 year ago

      they made out pretty well in that deal though. if this contract ends the same way then sounds like a good idea.

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      • gocards2849

        1 year ago

        Not $20m annual. That would be 5/100. If they had to pay that I think they wouldn’t have given it to him. 5/85 seems like a steal for what he was projected

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  28. rynosox14

    1 year ago

    Rick Hahn still snoozing…wake up!

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    • ChiSox_Fan

      1 year ago

      Yes, time for Sox to step up.

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      • slider32

        1 year ago

        In his defense he has stepped up, but nobody wants to go there. I would say the Sox, Brewers, Angels, and Twins are all under the gun to sign a good pitcher.

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    • Dogbone

      1 year ago

      Ryno, I think you’re pointing your finger at the wrong person. Reinsdork controls the purse. CWS can’t get many people to go there because players know they are a cheap organization. Ownership won’t pay to supplement the rebuild.

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      • slider32

        1 year ago

        You are wrong on that count, they were the hightest bidder for Machado and Wheeler and they went elsewhere!

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  29. BennyTheBoss

    1 year ago

    They should trade Robbie Ray.

    Angels need pitching and are desperate.

    Ray for Jo Adell is good for both sides.

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    • Haloswoody

      1 year ago

      Adell isn’t going anywhere.

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      • John Luke

        1 year ago

        Adell moving in a package with Betts and Price. Betts signs extension with Halos.

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        • macstruts

          1 year ago

          The Angels wouldn’t trade Adell for Betts and Price.

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        • John Luke

          1 year ago

          Lol why not? Adell has done nothing in the majors yet. Two proven players for someone who could end up never playing more than a season. No player should be untouchable.

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    • sevans36

      1 year ago

      Sure it is, lol

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    • Pete'sView

      1 year ago

      No way the Angels trade Adell for Ray. No way!

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    • Setzer

      1 year ago

      No.

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    • chicagofan1978

      1 year ago

      How about Ray for Schwarber.

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  30. Kaleiw03

    1 year ago

    tf are the Angels doing? ‍♂️

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  31. DarkSide830

    1 year ago

    very odd offseason

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  32. tpcjr

    1 year ago

    Thank god I can still keep rooting against him… phew

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  33. Wrek305

    1 year ago

    This is the shocker of the off season.

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  34. Baytown

    1 year ago

    Sad day but probably the best thing in the long, though I do believe the management is pretty much tossing any reason to root for the team for the next several years. Dumping 2 Will Mac award winners in a row in Hundley and Vogt and now one of their icons doesn’t show a lot of love.
    We’ll just watch Farhan play merry-go-round with another 50-60 signings and demotions.

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    • dandan

      1 year ago

      I’m hoping it’ll pay off in the long run. He has a track record of building really, really good teams.

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  35. ksbywaino

    1 year ago

    Why…

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  36. JohnnyBets67

    1 year ago

    Robbie Ray: see ya

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  37. bravesfan

    1 year ago

    Doesn’t make a lot of sense for the dbacks to make this deal. No denying that they have the need, but this is quite expensive and they just dumped an expensive salary in ZG. If he wasn’t enough of a difference maker for the team, Bum definitely isn’t

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    • Mike_Davis

      1 year ago

      Bum will making around half of what Greinke was. With deferrals, this put Bum making around $14M aav.

      The Dbacks are going to have a lot of money to spend over the next three offseasons as the farm starts to mature into MLB talent. Other than Marte, Bum, & Escobar(2 years), there are no other long term contracts on the roster.

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  38. Baytown

    1 year ago

    Will Bum yell at Posey if he hits a HR?

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    • Pete'sView

      1 year ago

      Posey doesn’t hit HRs anymore.

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    • gmenfan

      1 year ago

      What’s a Posey Homerun ?

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  39. chazz

    1 year ago

    Wtf

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  40. BumgarnerEqualsNLCS

    1 year ago

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

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    • sevans36

      1 year ago

      Quick, swallow an aspirin if you are having an infarction.

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      • NOBumgarnerEqualsNONLCS

        1 year ago

        An aspirin will do nothing for a heart attack induced by hypertension.

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    • gocards2849

      1 year ago

      I notice the name change

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    • nymetsking

      1 year ago

      You killed Padme?

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    • VonPurpleHayes

      1 year ago

      So are the Diamondbacks going to the NLCS or are you changing your username?

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      • Appalachian_Outlaw

        1 year ago

        Lol! Beat me to it, Purple! As a Braves fan, this pleases me however.

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    • SalaryCapMyth

      1 year ago

      @ NLCS. When you watch Bumgarner get destroyed in Arizona’s hitter friendly park, you’ll be grateful the Braves didnt pick him up. You have no solid reason to believe Bumgarner is what you wish him to be because you have seen all the stats validating what he is now..a no.4 pitcher who is getting paid more than what you should pay someone brought on to help young talent mature.

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  41. GothamNeedsMe

    1 year ago

    Saw him crank two opening day dingers in AZ on opening day 2017. Awesome.

    Soooo, Price to the Angels?

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  42. AaronSapoznik

    1 year ago

    This would be a surprise considering the Diamondbacks have been shedding veteran salaries the past couple of seasons and are significantly behind the Dodgers talent wise in the NL West. They also have a lot of competition trying to compete for one of the wild card spots. It’s not a surprise to see Madbum staying in the NL but I would have guessed the Braves, Dodgers, Cardinals, Padres or even a return to the Giants as his next destination before the Diamondbacks.

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    • AaronSapoznik

      1 year ago

      As a White Sox fan I prefere free agent southpaws Hyun-Jin Ryu or Dallas Keuchel at 3-4 years over Madbum at 5, especially with his QO. I also like David from Boston if the Price is right, especially with JD Martinez behind curtain #2!

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  43. anthonyd4412

    1 year ago

    Totally had him pegged for the Louisville Grays

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  44. charles stevens

    1 year ago

    I don’t like the Giants but really glad he didn’t go to LA. That would’ve turned my baseball world upside down.

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  45. JamesDaltOn

    1 year ago

    Wild move. I thought Braves or Cardinals would have been a better fit for the guy.

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  46. NewYorkSoxFan

    1 year ago

    I’m guessing Ryu ends up back to the Dodgers and Kuechel goes to the Angels. I think this puts pressure on both teams to make a desperate move. The trade market for pitching should heat up too with the free agent quality drying up.

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  47. CubsFan73

    1 year ago

    Can see Ray now going to Yankees for Frazier and P or Cards for Hader and P

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  48. SoCalBrave

    1 year ago

    I wonder if “MadBum signing equals NLCS” guy will now change his name back to “All of our gods have abandon us” or whatever it was before…

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    • NOBumgarnerEqualsNONLCS

      1 year ago

      I don’t know who you are referring too!

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      • sevans36

        1 year ago

        Yes you do

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      • Appalachian_Outlaw

        1 year ago

        Hypothetically, if the Twins had signed Bumgarner, would they have made the NLCS? I mean the name sorta implies they’d have been switching leagues.

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        • NOBumgarnerEqualsNONLCS

          1 year ago

          No, because the Twins still suck with or without Bum. Braves are an ace away from being a championship-caliber team. Too bad we get to see another failure in 2020.

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        • SalaryCapMyth

          1 year ago

          Preach the faith, brother.

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    • sevans36

      1 year ago

      200plusk pseudostar

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      • NOBumgarnerEqualsNONLCS

        1 year ago

        Even the 200k pseudo star could not save the team in 2019. You will see it again in 2020 and beyond until this team spends money on starting pitching.

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    • gocards2849

      1 year ago

      No it is NOBumgarnerequalsNOnlcs. I went through the comments just to check that

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  49. puhl

    1 year ago

    And the Twins continue to sit idly by while starting pitching comes off the board.

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  50. canocorn

    1 year ago

    Not a done deal.
    Just ‘closing in’ on one.

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  51. Thronson5

    1 year ago

    Dodgers strike out again. I honestly am so over this management. Just take out money, continue to raise prices on us and while we show out and spend money they don’t spend money, just McCourt all over, pocketing that money.

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    • gmenfan

      1 year ago

      Yeah, having the best record in baseball since 2011 must be tough. Such a neglected fan base.

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      • Thronson5

        1 year ago

        Problem is that they have a good team but they have needs and they are clear needs but they don’t do anything to address those areas of needs. Getting to the playoffs is cool but we haven’t won the World Series since I was 7 years old so yea of course I’m gonna be pissed off. Don’t like it? Don’t give a shit. Kick rocks, I spend my money on them every year and they don’t spend that money to help the team get over the hump.

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        • BlueSkyLA

          1 year ago

          Careful, if you keep that up you’re going to be called an ingrate or worse. We’re supposed to be grateful they even let us into the stadium to spend our money.

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        • Thronson5

          1 year ago

          Lol sounds about right. All the damn money I pay on merchandise, tickets and paying just to have time Warner or spectrum now so I can watch the games when I don’t go to the stadium and all this money we give these guys but they can’t spend on top free agents. People always point out our high payroll but it’s mostly on our own players. These guys refuse to make the big trade or the big signing and they tel us they are going to make all these changes to the roster but do nothing. It’s really frustrating. When you look at how much this team makes each year off us fans you’d think they’d want to give back to us and get us that World Series win finally but their seem content with just making the playoffs. It’s a joke. Friedman and company run this team like it’s the rays

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        • BlueSkyLA

          1 year ago

          We’re stuck with our season tickets this year because they made us pay for them in August but I think we will be bringing our own food to games not buying any beer and leaving early if the game isn’t a good one. How else can we get the message across?

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    • bush1

      1 year ago

      Playoffs every yr and dominate. Sure, the cards haven’t fallen their way in the playoffs. But the playoffs are a lot of luck and variables you can’t control. Like the Nats beating the far superior team in the Astros last yr.

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  52. T_Rexx2

    1 year ago

    So like…. Zack Wheeler 5 yrs for 118m or MadBum for 5 yrs 85m? Idk… I’d rather have Bum at that price tag.

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  53. Strike Four

    1 year ago

    So no other major free agent is going to get 100 mill, right?

    Baseball’s economics are so effed.

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  54. iml12

    1 year ago

    Seems like a good deal for the dbacks. A lot of teams missed the boat here

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  55. dandan

    1 year ago

    I figured he wasn’t coming back, but I’m still sad.

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  56. bravos14

    1 year ago

    Over/Under 8 HR’s for MadBum this season?

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    • bravos14

      1 year ago

      I’ll take the under but it could be close, balls fly there.

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    • gmenfan

      1 year ago

      Oddly its one if his worst hitting parks statistically.

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    • bravos14

      1 year ago

      The bigger question of course is how many HR’s will he allow? Last year was 30 I believe.

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    • idoknow

      1 year ago

      I Gotta go under.. It’ll be fun tho..

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  57. heater

    1 year ago

    That’s it? All the hype of him getting big money and no other team can beat that? Sorry but 5/$85 is a bargain for him and I don’t even think he’s near as good as he made out to be.

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  58. gmenfan

    1 year ago

    The fact that the Giants don’t appear willing to go $15-17M a year for Bumgarner speaks volumes. Hold onto you butts, Giants fans. It’s going to be a bumpy few years.

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    • bush1

      1 year ago

      Obviously, they’re rebuilding. And you don’t sign a pitcher like Bumgarner yr 1 of a rebuild.

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      • gmenfan

        1 year ago

        My point exactly. Enough with the retooling talk from the front office. Call it what it is, a rebuild.

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  59. GarysOldeTowneTavern

    1 year ago

    Five years ago someone would’ve given him real money. Shame.

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  60. oakdale dude

    1 year ago

    Bumgarner has already been in the league for 10 years. He has alot more inning’s in his arm than most 30 year old pitchers. Can he still be effective? Yes. But in his prime? I don’t think so. He’s not the same pitcher he was 5 years ago.

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  61. Mr.Ward14

    1 year ago

    Where the heck were the Angels again?!?!?

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    • pstef123

      1 year ago

      He’s an NL guy. He likes to hit.

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    • gmenfan

      1 year ago

      He was never going to the AL.

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    • 99socalfrc

      1 year ago

      What are the Angels waiting for?

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  62. Nationals17

    1 year ago

    I think 5 years $85 million is somewhat of a bargain for him. Especially when seeing what some of the others have signed for lately. Wheeler would probably be the closest comparison and he was 5 years $118 million.

    I’m surprised a bigger contender didn’t sign him for that price.

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  63. Eric P

    1 year ago

    As though “at least he didn’t sign with the Dodgers” is supposed to be a consolation. 5 at $85M with $15M deferred. Are you telling me the Gs could not have offered 4 at $85 with $15M deferred? or 3 at $75M with a year 4 option and $10M buyout? This shows what we all knew from the beginning: Zahid had no intention of bringing him back. Good luck in finding a LHP warhorse for the next 3-4 years. And even better luck in bringing back a lot of the G’s faithful who are smarting over Kaplan and the departures of MadBum, Smith, Pillar and Vogt (the latter 3 could have been forgotten had they kept MadBum).

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  64. thetruth

    1 year ago

    I said the Angels’ big SP addition will be Bundy, I think I was right and I was only half joking.

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  65. idoknow

    1 year ago

    It’s official Mad Bum to DBacks for 5-$180 – $185… I believe..

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    • idoknow

      1 year ago

      **80-85**

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  66. nemolee.exe

    1 year ago

    Jeff Bomb. Some dark horse candidate strikes

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  67. slider32

    1 year ago

    Great move by the D-Backs, he will accelerate their rebuild. This move really hurts the contenders trying to get him like the Twins, Angels, White Sox, and Brewers.

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  68. great_gumbino

    1 year ago

    Dammit dodgers. Way to go throwing money at crap and getting the hopes of your fans up!

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  69. colon

    1 year ago

    Reallocating some of that’s Greinke money huh? I like it. Either trade or extend Ray, then sign or trade for an outfielder, and you’ve got a fun offseason — assuming the bullpen either trends upward or some minor signings or trades happen there as well. Romo could be a guy that would fit their budget. Anyway, the Diamondbacks continue to be a fun team that make them easy to root for as a Mariners fan — and I hope this signing helps them that much more to being successful. This new front office is so much better than the previous one too, jeeeeeeeez that must be nice for their true fans.

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    • Moneyballer

      1 year ago

      For a team that missed the playoffs WITH zack grienke pitching. Downgrading to bumgarner won’t help matters.

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  70. VonPurpleHayes

    1 year ago

    This I did not see coming. Nice to see him stay in the same division.

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  71. bush1

    1 year ago

    Well done Angels.

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    • gmenfan

      1 year ago

      They never stood a chance. He wants to hit and has made that pretty clear.

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      • idoknow

        1 year ago

        #FACT

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    • Geno55

      1 year ago

      I think the Angels trade for Ray or gray from the Colorado Rockies

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  72. Moneyballer

    1 year ago

    I don’t find this surprising at all. Not making the playoffs in 2019, trade Grienke gain nice prospects. Use money saved to sign Bumgarner to a cheaper deal, back to square one with prospect gain/money savings. Look to contend again in 2020. I still think Grienke to Bumgarner is a downgrade but we’ll see that play out next season. Hopefully bumgarner builds in some no trade protections because it looks like the dbacks will cut bait at any point should they not contend. Not a surprising move, not an earth shattering one either. I don’t really view the diamondbacks as a team taking a big step in the right direction. There were other teams where bumgarner’s presence would have made a much larger impact. Oh well!

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  73. letimmysmoke55

    1 year ago

    what the hell????

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  74. echozulu88

    1 year ago

    Between this and kluber, I was expecting more for these guys.

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    • Moneyballer

      1 year ago

      Why? Kluber is done. What did he do last season besides get shelled when he was healthy, then break his arm and miss the rest of the year. Rangers were the suckers in that deal. Bumgarner got plenty, probably market value for a guy who sits 91-92 with his “heater”.

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  75. neurogame

    1 year ago

    Well, he and Greinke will make a great pairing. Oh wait a second….

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    • Moneyballer

      1 year ago

      Yeah when they ship him off to Houston for more of the Astros second stringers!

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  76. kershawsgrandma22

    1 year ago

    I honestly didn’t want to see him in LA but I’m also losing hope on how the dodgers are going to improve next year..

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    • politicsNbaseball

      1 year ago

      I don’t get this attitude, why would you be against adding a player that would increase the dodgers chances of winning the fall classic?

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  77. bush1

    1 year ago

    Arizona, Florida, and Texas teams always have a massive advantage with the no state sales tax aspect. So there’s that.

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    • Mike_Davis

      1 year ago

      AZ has state taxes. They just don’t have an onerous state tax..

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  78. towinagain

    1 year ago

    Pads blew it!

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  79. krillin89

    1 year ago

    Wait, the Braves are big market? They better spend more money then

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    • NOBumgarnerEqualsNONLCS

      1 year ago

      The Braves don’t care about winning, regardless of market size.

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  80. wrigley

    1 year ago

    He obviously wanted to play in Az. Team doesn’t “need” pitching. Money is under market compared to comps. Several contending teams with big needs for starting pitching should’ve offered more money. I don’t understand this or Kluber deal. Starting pitchers were at a premium, and today’s moves are both puzzling.

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    • Mike_Davis

      1 year ago

      Arizona absolutely needed started pitching. The rotation was filled with Ray, players returning from injury, guys who will be limited in the amount of innings they pitch in 2020, two back of the rotation inning eaters, & a bunch of question marks. And Ray was likely to be traded.

      If the team wanted to stay competitive in 2020, the rotation was likely going to need to add another 200 quality innings to the rotation after accounting for attrition.

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  81. BrewCrewDS

    1 year ago

    CALLED IT!! wait. no I didnt. nobody did. stupid move

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  82. urnuts

    1 year ago

    As an Angels fan living in SF pissed they did not sign him. This man has heart and will make all the pitchers on AZ better. Good deal for AZ especially due to the $15 million deferred.

    He does love to hit and may be a reason he stayed in the NL.

    Hoping Angels deal Marsh for Ray.

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    • HaloHonk4Life

      1 year ago

      Youre assuming he wanted to pitch in the AL let alone The Halos

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  83. TheMick7

    1 year ago

    I’m frankly surprised it was Az and comparatively this low. I thought he was gonna hit the $100mm mark with the way the contracts were going. Nonetheless, I’ve postulated several times that it really seems as thought he Angels are a step behind and missing out as each pitcher goes off the market. I believe their Rendon signing really stifled their willingness to sign pitching, because of of the money. They really don’t seem to have the prospects either for a trade to get the pitching they need.

    The Yankees have been tied to Ray over and over so it would be no surprise if they traded some of their pieces to get him. Good signing for Az, imo.

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  84. angt222

    1 year ago

    Surprised he went to Arizona although I find the contract to be very fair.

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  85. WereAllJustGuestsHere

    1 year ago

    Can’t complain much over the price. Pitchers have received some high salaries. Seems Bumgarner received an appropriate amount compared to the other free agent pitchers who have already signed. Who knows, maybe he’ll improve on his numbers thanks to pitching against San Fran rather than for him. I kid.

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  86. throwinched10

    1 year ago

    Bumgarner
    Ray
    Gallen
    Weaver
    Kelly

    That isn’t bad and I’m sure I am missing one or two names.

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    • 99socalfrc

      1 year ago

      They also have Alex Young & Leake as options. Its a sneaky good rotation.

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      • Mike_Davis

        1 year ago

        Young will likely be a BP arm going forward. With the possibility of stepping into the rotation as needed.

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    • Mike_Davis

      1 year ago

      Minus Ray, add Leake to the rotation..

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  87. titanic struggle

    1 year ago

    Suprising…

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  88. slider32

    1 year ago

    In his defense he has stepped up, but nobody wants to go there. I would say the Sox, Brewers, Angels, and Twins are all under the gun to sign a good pitcher.

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  89. jints1

    1 year ago

    It’s obvious the bidding for MadBum wasn’t all that significant. The fact that the Dodgers passed shows us that teams did not think much of his future. The disparity between Cole and Strasberg is rather remarkable. Teams will pay huge bucks for what they perceive as value but then the drop off.

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  90. HubcapDiamondStarHalo

    1 year ago

    Obviously, Arizona grabbed him in the hopes of gaining precious knowledge about the Giants hitters. This might just push them over the edge in the race for the coveted “distant second place” race in the NL West.

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    • scottaz

      1 year ago

      Hubcap, that “distant second place” concept is precisely the challenge the other 4 NLW teams are trying to close the gap on. It’s tough to do, but I admire the Dbacks and Padres in particular for not giving up on trying to close that gap. Padres signing Machado last year just wasn’t enough because they still have major flaws on that team. Dbacks are more we’ll rounded, as evidenced by the fact that they did better last year After they traded Greinke than before. They made a significant ripen in the second half of the season. The Dbacks still have flaws, particularly with the OF, but they are planning to fix most of that this off-season. Akiyama and Castellanos aren’t saviors, but they will be (if/when the Dbacks sign them) a significant upgrade from last year (incuding moving Marte back to 2b). They are actively trying and motivated to close that gap. They might not get it all done this off-season, but it’s closing.

      BTW, the Dbacks are already in that coveted 2nd place spot!

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  91. beyou02215

    1 year ago

    Weird day. A few very pitching needy teams who want to compete (Padres, Angels, Twins) and both Kluber and Bumgarner go for less than anyone would have thought; both were seemingly very-acquireable for those teams, but they are all just sitting there with their hands in their pockets. Just doesn’t make much sense.

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  92. cws2019

    1 year ago

    Clubs evidently took a deep breath and weren’t going to panic pay in aftermath of top 3 FA payouts. Keuchel and Ryu may take a hit. BoSox also as far as how much suitors will pay off on Price’s 96 mil contract balance.

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    • TheMick7

      1 year ago

      True but if I had to bet again, I don’t think Angels will get either. Internally, they will not do what they need to in order to acquire any of these #3 rotation guys left, which leaves them with what they have, and that nullifies any benefit they get from having Rendon.

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      • macstruts

        1 year ago

        I think you are wrong Mick. I think Boras, who is much much smarter than Eppler, is going to sting the Angels into paying way too much.

        I wanted Wheeler. I knew putting all the eggs in the Cole basket was a bad idea. I wanted Lindbloom. PERFECT for a six man rotation.

        I’d like to see the Angels sign Teheran, then wait Boras out and bring in Ryu or Keuchel. Teheran pitches 170+ innings ever year and right now that exactly who the Angels need.

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  93. Stanley

    1 year ago

    Good deal for MadBum maybe Ray gets traded now

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  94. Josip Tomic

    1 year ago

    So he gets $70 million + $15 million = $85 million, is that correct?

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  95. DarkSide830

    1 year ago

    wow, that’s not bad. figured he’d get well overpaid due to the bidding, but that’s a good price, deferrals or not.

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  96. James1955

    1 year ago

    Bumgarner had a small sample size at Chase Field last year. 5.29 era on the road last year. He gave up 19 HR’s pitching at home, pitching in a pitchers park. last year Based on last year he looks like he is in decline.

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    • TheMick7

      1 year ago

      Projections for ERA and FIP, both roughly 4.5 and WAR 2.1, I’d say you’re right.

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  97. Phiilies2020

    1 year ago

    Not a bad deal for 85mil over 5 years with 15mil deferred. His arm will probably fall off by that 5th year but I think there’s some value there at 17 or 18mil per.

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  98. 5TUNT1N

    1 year ago

    Didn’t even offer him their regular ol 5 for 90 mil like Samardzjia and Pence got. Regime change in effect.

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  99. bobtillman

    1 year ago

    Ya know, the D-Backs were only 4 games out of the Wild Card…. a bloop hit here, a groundball there, a MadBum there……people are treating this deal as if the Royals had signed MadBum.

    When you’re bright guys like they are in Arizona, yes, you trade a Goldy and a Grenkie when circumstances dictate, and sign a MadBum when they change. You shuffle the deck until your talent is equal to your payroll allocation; and then you adjust on the fly.

    If MLB had insisted EVERY team operated like the Snakes do, you’d see about half the malaise that’s eroding the sport.

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    • paindonthurt

      1 year ago

      Well said

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  100. HubcapDiamondStarHalo

    1 year ago

    Y’know, if I could have a few minutes to adjust some of my predictions in the free agent contest, I could do a LOT better than I have been…

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  101. Mike_Davis

    1 year ago

    Chase field is no long a hitter’s park. Since the adding of a humidor, the ballpark has played neutral. Small sample size of two years, but so far that is what the results have shown.

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  102. norcalblue

    1 year ago

    Personally, I wish he had remained in SF. I am relieved he’s not coming to LA.

    My sense is that a pitcher already in decline, now moving from an extreme pitcher’s park to a neutral or hitter’s park will have some significant challenges ahead.

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  103. SunsetStripper

    1 year ago

    Better than paying 123 for Wheeler

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  104. Amanda2019

    1 year ago

    while im not surprised about the deal, every team is overpaying for pitchers, im surprised about the team, wouldnt he want to go to team thats better? Arizona wasn’t even close to the playoffs last year, oh well. THANK you to, as a red sox fan, you just made david price going to the angels or padres much more hopeful

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    • TheMick7

      1 year ago

      But, would he have gone to a better team? Realistically, it may have been that either the years or money aren’t there from the other teams; and the Angels are apparently out on anyone with the positional designation of SP. the article says he speculated there may have been bigger offers. And I think he has horses and property in Az

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    • Mike_Davis

      1 year ago

      85 wins & 4 games out from the WC isn’t close to the playoffs?

      Okay….

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  105. scottaz

    1 year ago

    Actually, Amanda, the Dbacks won 85 games last year, were in the playoff hunt until mid-Sept., and are trying, starting with this signing, to close the gap on the Dodgers to challenge for the NLW crown. They have two huge signings to go this off-season if they are to challenge the Dodgers, and even then many things must go right and few go really wrong. They have only 1 outfielder, so must acquire a CF and RF. They also need one more back-end of the bullpen piece.

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  106. EarlAverill21

    1 year ago

    Solid signing by the DBacks. I really thought he was going to Atlanta, though. That would have been a really solid pick up for them.

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    • TheMick7

      1 year ago

      Pretty sure most people pegged ATL first. I know I did.

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  107. dodgerfan

    1 year ago

    Christmas came early

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  108. macstruts

    1 year ago

    I’m not sure why the Padres were not involved. Great pitcher to have on a young staff, a pitchers park and in the NL where he wants to play. It seems like a great fit.

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  109. saintguitar

    1 year ago

    Any signing is better than no signing or tanking. At least they are trying to do something. Since MadBum is going at 17 m annual value, my projection for Ryu is definitely lower now at 4 yr, 80-85 m range.

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  110. jkoko

    1 year ago

    Weirdest move to date

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  111. Sid Bream

    1 year ago

    MadBum has enough rings and doesn’t want anymore so this time he wants a new HumVee, a new Harley Trike, and a new gold chain.

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    • scottaz

      1 year ago

      HaHa! Dbacks put a clause in his contract prohibiting those high risk behaviors!

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  112. scottaz

    1 year ago

    Most commenters here have very little to no idea who the Dbacks are, nor what to expect from them this off-season. They have $30M to spend now, and if they trade Robbie Ray, they will have $40M to spend. They were Not going to spend all of that on one player, so they weren’t in on the Top 4 free agents. But once those big ticket guys were gone, the Dbacks became one of the favorites for this next tier of top free agents. No one should have been surprised that they went after and got MadBum. They also have a Top 5 prospect system they are willing to trade from, so they are a force in the trade market too.

    Expect the Dbacks to sign one or two of the next highest ranked OF. Probably Castellanos, but maybe Ozuna. They are also likely to sign or trade for Akiyama, Starling Marte or Ramon Laureano. After that, they still have the money and prospects to go after a closer, like Ken Giles for example.

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  113. MadisonZGurl

    1 year ago

    well I see a lot of complaints about signing Mad.
    he is actually pretty damn epic.
    I am following him.to the Dbacks after growing up a giants fan
    I know nothing about DBacks but I am excited to get to know
    a new team.

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    • TheMick7

      1 year ago

      Wow, you must really like him to change teams. That’s a huge jump. But, to each his own, no judgement here.

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      • 22Leo

        1 year ago

        If he is a Giants fan and knows nothing about another team in their division, he clearly isn’t much of a fan.

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  114. jimthegoat

    1 year ago

    To “Balk” and the rest of the Giants fans who swore up and down that Bumgarner would never even think of leaving: Now do you see why they should have traded him? Could have gotten a top 100 prospect for a guy who Farhan clearly had no intention of paying to stay in SF. Hope you like that draft pick!

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  115. Nuschler

    1 year ago

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Bummy spurned a better offer from the Giants.. I can’t believe no one offered him 3/70 or 4/80. I thought he’d get 5/110.

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  116. DarrenDreifortsContract

    1 year ago

    Ryu back to the Dodgers confirmed.

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    • TheMick7

      1 year ago

      That was my pick! Thumbs up emoji

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    • BlueSkyLA

      1 year ago

      Could be but last we heard the Dodgers weren’t even in touch with Ryu. A little difficult to sign a player when you aren’t even talking to him.

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  117. RunDMC

    1 year ago

    Thank you for calling ATL a “big market” team. Now they need to act like it.

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  118. jvent

    1 year ago

    Wow, why the D-backs lol no one else offered higher than $17 mil a year . The freaking Mets just saved themselves almost $20 mil they should’ve gotten him then traded Stroman and Matz for RP’s.

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  119. axisofhonor25

    1 year ago

    Your starting pitching options are running out White Sox. Quit sitting on your hands.

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    • TheMick7

      1 year ago

      Yeah with the way they started the offseason in thought for sure they were gonna nab one of these guys. Wonder why they’re stalling out.

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      • AaronSapoznik

        1 year ago

        Maybe because Zack Wheeler and his fiancee preferred the Phillies over the White Sox due to geography. Perhaps because Madison Bumgarner prefers his horses in Arizona over the ‘L’ trains in Chicago.

        It’s been widely reported that the White Sox offered Wheeler $125MM to the Phillies $118MM over the same 5 year length. It’s not yet known if the White Sox offered Madbum a contract but reports have suggested he had some offers higher than the Diamondbacks but Arizona was his top destination if they agreed to add a 5th year.

        The White Sox still have FA southpaws Hyun-Jin Ryu and Dallas Keuchel available to them along with some trade options including one that has them linked to David Price. They will sign or trade for at least one significant veteran starting pitcher when all is said and done, potentially two.

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        • ChiSoxCity

          1 year ago

          The Sox aren’t getting anybody.

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        • tycobb016

          1 year ago

          Sox should just walk away now. They got lucky when Wheeler took the Phillies offer. For what they are trying to do Keuchel and Ryu are a waste of money and Price is worse than that. Hopefully someone they already have steps up.

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      • AaronSapoznik

        1 year ago

        White Sox fans need to take a deep breath and realize today was still a good day for their beloved with Corey Kluber now out of Cleveland and the AL Central.

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