The Astros’ sign-stealing shenanigans from their World Series-winning 2017 campaign have already taken down two prominent members of that team’s staff this week. Houston fired manager A.J. Hinch on Monday after Major League Baseball issued him a one-year suspension. Boston then canned skipper Alex Cora, formerly Hinch’s right-hand man and someone soon to receive harsh punishment from MLB, on Tuesday.
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This scandal, one of the biggest in the history of baseball, may not be done taking down high-profile figures. Now the proverbial sword of Damocles is hanging over the head of yet another manager. This time it’s the Mets’ Carlos Beltran, who played for the Astros in 2017. According to commissioner Rob Manfred, Beltran discussed with teammates how to “improve on decoding opposing teams’ signs and communicating the signs to the batter.”
Beltran was part of the league’s investigation, initially claiming no knowledge of the Astros’ scheme before admitting there was wrongdoing on the team’s part. Nevertheless, Manfred elected against punishing Beltran or any of the other players from the 2017 Astros.
Manfred may not have come down on Beltran, but the Mets might not be as kind to the 42-year-old potential Hall of Famer. Even though the Mets just hired Beltran as a first-time manager a little over two months ago, his job already appears to be in jeopardy. It’s a 180 for a club whose GM, Brodie Van Wagenen, said of Beltran in November: “Anything that happened, happened with another organization, with Houston. I have no idea if anything did or did not, but at this point I don’t see any reason why this is a Mets situation.”
Van Wagenen once called Beltran “trustworthy,” but the Mets’ confidence in him may be fading just weeks after his hiring and weeks before spring training opens. Furthermore, as Tim Britton of The Athletic notes, this is “an especially image-conscious team.”Beltran’s presence could be problematic for a franchise that’s always under the microscope, then, and now it’s possible his run as their manager will end before it’s truly able to start.
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First thing Beltran did for the Mets was make them swap out the Rubbermaid trash cans.
Beltran isn’t going to step down; Nor will the Mets fire him. A first time hire and an immediate fire? Even Manfred sees the danger and repercussion in that kind of move.
What’s the danger? There is more danger not firing him
Exactly. Wally Backman was hired and then immediately fired a few days later by the D-Backs.
Will the Mets do this? I doubt it. Is it very possible? Yes.
The Mets should, if they don’t it will come back to haunt them
They are being pressured to fire him and ownership will force the axe even if Brodie isn’t down with it. They don’t want the media scrutinizing them and the negative PR. Not saying it should be done. But it will be done.
What danger? Why would any team want to be associated with a cheater?
And it can be looked at a little more than just Beltran with the Mets. They also now have Jake Marisnick on their roster.
That happened to Wally backman in arizona, although under different circumstances
Guess you were right on this call
Got it wrong. I am indeed human.
Wrong
Beltran isn’t going to step down; Nor will the Mets fire him. A first time hire and an immediate fire? Even Manfred sees the danger and repercussion in that kind of move.
No Manfred did not see any danger in it
“discussed with teammates how to “improve on decoding opposing teams’ signs and communicating the signs to the batter.'”
The perfect manager for the New York Madoffs.
Should he be fired? Yes. Will the Mets fire him? Probably not.
Beltran should do the right thing and resign.
Ya, cause he’s known for making good choices.
Carlos Beltran made 248 million dollars in his career. Normally I’d say he should make the Mets fire him and let them pay for the stupid mistake they made. It’s their job to do the due diligence on the manager they hired. But given how much money he’s made…..he doesn’t really need this. It’s probably best for everyone if he just goes away.
Valid points. Sometimes pride supersedes wealth.
Exactly. Beltran has two reasons to not resign. 1) his pride. 2) that he’ll collect his manager’s salary if he’s fired instead. I don’t care how much money you make in your life, unless something is extremely having a negative impact on your life, you don’t resign and lose money. If anything, the Mets will feel more pressure with this than Beltran will. If there’s any party here that will blink first, I imagine it’s the Mets brass.
From a known Mets basher, I’ll take that FWIW.
Come spring training I do believe someone else will be managing the New York Mets that’s for sure
Maybe Jessica Mendoza is ready for a promotion. I’m torn on this one. Not sure what Mets should do. We all wanted Girardi seems like. Now we can all say I told you so.
I’ve never really understood why that would even be an option. You aren’t the first to say it but aren’t there a ton of people with more managerial experience and success then her? She knows her stuff and I absolutely will not take that away from her but managing is about so much more. Honestly idk much about her back round/experience so I guess it isn’t fair for me to judge so it’s more of a question of why her over others? I quite enjoyed her on Sunday nights and at this point I’d take anyone over Beltran. Anyways just a thought!
That would cause some interesting logistical problems with her not being able to do the whole men’s locker room thing. I’m sure there’s solutions for that sort of stuff, but that’s a pretty big barrier for that sort of move, especially this close to the season starting. I would think they would need more time to plan out how exactly that would work before they made a move like that. It would be an interesting advantage/disadvantage discussion to say the least.
Now a days, with all of the female reporters in the locker room, a female manager wouldn’t be a big deal.
The problem with a female manager is the player or who thinks or says “you cannot physically compete with me or anyone in AAA, but here you are, telling me what to do ?”
It’s not a gender thing either. I would like to think that I know a lot about baseball, but I have competed above the beer league softball level, they probably would think the same thing about me…
but I have NOT competed…
It wouldn’t make any sense. Given her background and experience, she possibly could be on a GM track; but not a field manager track.
Such a Mets move if they keep him, but Beltran needs to do the right thing here and step down and disappear but I just don’t see it happening and Mets will come up with some BS reason to keep him. It will backfire though
If cora and Hinch got fire Beltran need to be fire for sure
That would be perfect for the Astros. They could then hire Beltran as a player coach, which would make him immune to these suspensions.
He’s already “immune to these suspensions”.
How could anyone think Beltran is a potential hall of famer after this scandal? It’s clear he was part of the problem and might have taken some of his insight to the yankees and now to the mets. Once a cheater always a cheater.
Beltran took what he learned in Houston to New York? If you think this started in Houston, you’re naive. Cheating using technolgy such as centerfield cameras has been around long before 2017 and the Astros. The Astros were just the first team to get busted–thanks to Mike Fiers.
Bull!
Which teams? When? Do you have a source?
In the 50’s Detroit had centerfield lights, and some people said that when the pitcher was in his windup they would be waiting for the lights to come in (1 light fastball, 2 lights curve, or something to that effect. I read this in Baseball Codes by Jason Turbow.
There. Source and evidence it’s been happening. Outdated, but it happens.
Glad that you understand such a deeply-seeded part of the Human Condition. Where did you go to Shaman School??
How could anyone think Beltran is a potential hall of famer after this scandal? It’s clear he was part of the problem and might have taken some of his insight to the yankees and now to the mets. Once a cheater always a cheater.
Don’t be ridiculous.
What he did in 1 year, his last year, towards the end of his career doesn’t negate the other 18 years he was a good/great player.
He’ll get into the Hall.
Pete Rose says hi.
Pete Rose is an unapologetic degenerate gambler, that’s is a big difference
…and also one of the best players in baseball history. no, i think this is the death knell for Beltran’s HoF chances unless his name being mentioned is quickly forgotten.
Not really. No hall for Beltran.
Yes but a much better all around ball player with records that still stand the test of time! Gambled didn’t cheat
Betting on a game versus cheating in order to change outcome
Of the game is a Minor infraction comparitively speaking
Voters will shun Beltran. He’s not getting in on his first several ballots. Might get less than 5% on his first and be one and done.
Maybe
I think as a Mets fan that Beltran needs to go. I don’t want the season to be tainted by his presence. Regardless if there is any actual cheating going on there will always be a cloud lingering over the team. Maybe this can be a huge step in changing the culture.
it’s not fair to fire him. the only reason his name came up in the report and any other player didn’t is because he wasn’t protected by the mlbpa. this isn’t a mets issue. if the players weren’t deemed responsible for the scandal then you shouldn’t reprimand beltran for it
Just because there was no discipline for the players doesn’t mean there isn’t guilt. Just an inability to punish the players.
He was named an architect of a massive, long term system of cheating…and did it despite knowing that his manager hated it. Why do you think he’d be a great manager, again?
He also lied initially in his introductory press conference. His integrity is zero. I couldn’t trust him if I was BVW.
Exactly the type the New York Madoffs respect. Beltran is their guy.
I have never seen someone try so hard to make a joke work…
I was thinking the same thing
He also lied initially in his introductory press conference. His integrity is zero. I couldn’t trust him if I was BVW.
Do you not understand the gravity of having to call out a whole team and organization? You’re suggesting that Beltrán, as a member of the Mets organization, loses credibility with you because he was unwilling to air out an entire organization that he was no longer a part of. That’s insane to suggest. Surely he could have said he didn’t want to discuss another team’s issues, but I don’t fault him for lying in that situation.
Not true in any way. He’s literally only in the report once. From the article above:
“Beltran discussed with teammates how to “improve on decoding opposing teams’ signs and communicating the signs to the batter.””
There are zero specifics. There’s way too much ambiguity. He could have said that and then had nothing else to do with it. Or he could have said that and told people exactly what to do. Insane to call him ‘an architect of a massive, long term system of cheating’ on such scant evidence.
Please note that I’m not saying he’s guilty or not. I’m saying you can’t tell.
Either way the Mets are in for a mess of a situation. Keeping him will be a massive distraction all year gone. 3 managers in a span of 5 months is crazy as well.
The Mets are a disaster; no way they fire Beltran
Good time to transition, and when you’re ready to take the next step, leave Beltrán behind.
The Mets absolutely need to demand his resignation, are they really goin to let this hang over their heads for his entire tenure? I can’t see it
He needs to get fired and then hired by the Astros.
Beltran refused to interview with any club this offseason that had a managerial opening except for the Mets.
Everyone will forget about this by the end of April. I think he’s staying.
are you kidding everywhere the astros go they will be booed all game, this wont be forgotten
Yeah it will. People will forget with time.
They may forget with time, but I think that time is likely a lot longer than the start of May.
Come on, geez, they all steal signs. Sure it’s wrong but it’s not anything new, been going on since baseball began. I’m sick of our trying to be pretending to be perfect humans, we all cheat at something, anyone drive over posted speed?
Lol easy there buddy. There’s a difference in accidentally going over the speed limit and purposefully going 125 in a 35. Your point is not valid. Electronic sign stealing has always been against policy
Betting on a game versus cheating in order to change outcome
Of the game is a Minor infraction comparitively speaking
Sure, wiley, and when I get caught I don’t expect the cop to let me off if I whine, “but all those other guys do it.”
It’s one thing to be a runner on second base and steal signs because you’re savvy enough to figure out what the pitcher and catcher are doing. It’s quite another to use cameras and have a video feed installed inside the clubhouse.
And yet somehow, some way, everyone thinks that the people that orchestrated this (Cora and Beltrán) had never witnessed anything like this before. They just came up with it on their own, having never participated in anything like it before. Beltrán, having played for 17 years prior to 2017 just all of a sudden thought this was ok. Yup, that’s actually happening.
This entire story is getting beaten into the dirt. Isn’t it enough already? Coaches, managers and FO personnel got/getting punished, yet no players for mysterious reasons. Is baseball afraid to against a pretty weak MLBPA and punish the ones who benefited from the entire scheme? Cowards.
The rationale for not punishing players appears to be that you’d be punishing a lot of teams that traded for those players or signed them in FA.
I suppose you could fine them massively instead of suspending them. Something should be done. Letting the players just walk, even to the extent of letting Beltran walk into the Mets managing gig, seems unjust.
I’m curious–surely the Wilpons and Wags asked Beltran, “did you cheat?” It’s clear he did, from the Manfred report. It’s also clear given the timing that Beltran lied to reporters when he claimed he had no knowledge of sign-stealing. So what was Beltran’s answer to his job interview question?
Did he lie to the Wilpons, which is grounds for firing? Did he tell them the truth, only for the Wilpons to hire him anyway?
My money is on the parties scrambling to reach a settlement where Beltran is fired but does not admit he told the Wilpons he cheated yet they hired him anyway. He’ll walk away with a million or two and an ironclad NDA.
The solution for punishing the players was revoking the title. Nothing else needs to be done in light of the league’s other concerns. It’s sufficient and they whiffed on that opportunity.
And firing Beltran is legit. It’s a team issue without implicating the mlbpa concerns.
No, the rationale is that you start punishing players, the players and organizations that are losing value from player suspensions will dump everything they know publicly about other players and teams cheating. They’re trying to contain this.
Fiers told members of at least two teams what the Astros were doing. To my knowledge, none of those players went to the league with their knowledge. That indicates a culture that protects itself, even if it is a member of another team. Danny Farquhar knew something egregious was going on with the Astros, and nothing came of it. Uniformed personnel generally protect each other in that sense.
Easiest thing to do is just vacate the Astros 2017 WS win. Same with Red Sox. Cannot give the title to Dodgers, unfortunately but that would be an effective punishment. Period.
They cannot punish players, and it’s more than just the quantity that may have participated. It’s the doubt. Any Astro disciplined could say they didn’t rely on the trashcans, lie or not. Remember, it’s not what you know, it’s what you can prove.
That’s also why I really wouldn’t fire Beltran. He’d be the only former player getting punished, essentially.
Except if you’re a manager. Then you don’t need to prove anything. ‘Perfect’ fall guys for the players actions.
Former Met and onetime Diamondbacks manager Wally Backman may have an opinion on this.
An opinion which will involve some spectacularly colorful language!
Yep…spectacularly colorful and slurred speech language.
LOL Backman is a nut job.
In interviews Beltran lied repeatedly to the NY press he’s going to have to now try to get along with, claiming he knew nothing about the Astros’ malfeasance. Then the report came out asserting otherwise.
A team not led by craven ownership would never have hired as manager an obvious culprit in the Astros’ sign-stealing, so now we’re waiting for some enterprising reporter to ask the Wilpons and Van Wagenen,
“During his interviews you would have asked Beltran about his role in sign-stealing. So you either knew Beltran was already lying to the press about his role in stealing signs and you hired him anyway, or Beltran lied to you in order to get the job. Which is it?”
It’s not against any rule to lie to the press. Your life may be 10x harder if you get caught, but that’s a personal choice. To me, the only offense I’d terminate him for is if he lied in the interview.
Make more popcorn…..
If the Mets don’t want any kind of distraction they could make it a trifecta and make him the third manager fired this week! In my opinion I think I’d let him go and never be tied to the 2017 incident.
@oldtimer – The Mets could easily end up the month paying three managers contemporaneously.
Given that would be the Wilpons doing the paying, it’s frankly hilarious.
Can I get a job managing the Mets? They can fire me after the introductory press conference, if they want. I’ll be the cheapest manager they fire. Just give me like 500k a year over 4, and I’m good!
Well at least I cannot blame the Cubs crappy season on sign stealing. Unless they sucked at that as well.
will they? no. should they? yes.
We’re talking about as gutless an ownership group as there is in MLB. They’ll cave.
Also, did Fred know? Did Van Wagenen encourage Beltran to lie to the Wilpons? Did they know, but unaccountably figure hiring Beltran was worth the risk?
I have a theory why Beltran won’t be fired. Since Beltran admitted earlier in the year that he stole signed “legaly” I’m sure during his job interview with Brody he mentioned about his stealing signs scheme and how he wants the Mets to use it. Brody probably liked the idea and hired him but now can’t fire Beltran because He would out Brody for also knowing and going it implement the scheme for next season. What do you think?
That’s the kind of thing that leaves both sides agreeing to a settlement including a non-disclosure agreement. Beltran gets part of his salary in return for going away and not demanding full salary, and the Mets get to save face, save salary, and also get to fire him and wash their hands of the problem. They all agree to some bs story, and forever after both sides refer any questions to that NDA.
At least, that’s how this kind of thing goes in most untenable situations that the corporation wants to be done with.
don’t think both sides agreeing to a settlement can end up with a firing
I have a theory why Beltran won’t be fired. Since Beltran admitted earlier in the year that he stole signed “legaly” I’m sure during his job interview with Brody he mentioned about his stealing signs scheme and how he wants the Mets to use it. Brody probably liked the idea and hired him but now can’t fire Beltran because He would out Brody for also knowing and going to implement the scheme for next season. What do you think?
i can imagine the fans of all the other teams they visit all year long cat calling and calling him a cheater. it would be a major distraction all season long. they have to fire him
This is too bad for Beltran. I watched him and he played the game the right way. It kinda sucks that this is probably how he will be thought of. He FKN killed my Cubs.
This is too bad for Beltran. I watched him and he played the game the right way. It kinda sucks that this is probably how he will be thought of. He FKN killed my Cubs.
A lot of people are still calling for the punishment of the players. Let’s think about this. Should some up and comer that is desperate to stay in the majors be punished just because they knew or even participated in what was going on? If you say yes, alright. How should have such a player handled such a situation? Twitter? Going to the manager or GM?
How do you think teammates would have dealt with such a player? All sports teams operate much like a fraternal society. Big money, a liberalization of culture, more invasive and participatory media, and “tell-alls” like Ball Four have probably loosened the secrecy to an extent, but informal punishment is granted to those who snitch. Informal punishment is granted to those who do not participate. These things also need to be taken into consideration. This is NOT some kind of black and white issue.
Beltran’s situation is only different because he is set to manage the Mets. But Beltran isn’t who I am talking about. I am talking about the calls for further punishment of the players.
a question i have, since everybody knows the astros players were involved in this, will teams have a problem trading for the bigger name astros now at least this first year. i know they have alot of good players and teams would like to have them, but will other teams be more hesitant in trading for them now, because of the destractions they would cause.??
An interesting question. As fans, we get to see the “real” ASTRO players in the coming years. How each player handles the situation and adapts will determine their market, but I pretty much agree this effects a lot of players and a lot of money.
Jim Crane’s address to a shockingly vacant media room is very telling. Unfortunately, in an attempt to encourage trust for the franchise and demonstrate his effectiveness in the “cleaning house” effort, he mentioned how advanced and smart Luhnow and Hinch are – but a 10-year-old child wouldn’t send incriminating information via email.
I personally don’t think anyone wants to work with Crane either. And those prospective managerial replacements are in for quite a surprise when they have to spin too many plates in the coming years. This story isn’t even close to being over.
He’s not getting fired. He’ll make a statement with bvw and itll all be over in a few weeks. No one will remember this stuff come spring training especially if theres an injury to someone important, ces coming back, lowrie being healthy, Diaz sucking or being diaz. Move on from this. Beltran will be a good manager for the Mets. Everyone shhhhh. Your moral compass is flawed when yall were screaming for homeruns during the steroid era. Cora is the scumbag. The players were dumb too but the coaching staff is there to guide and correct these issues of cheating. Mot exasperate. But whatever. Everyone is entitled to their opinion
Man, you think people are actually going to forget this AND Cespedes will actually be healthy enough to come back and make a difference? That’s bold thinking. Personally? I don’t think he’ll be fired, but nobody forgets that easily. And Cespedes likely won’t play 40 games even if I were betting.
Has any manager ever gotten fired before even managing a game?
I probably should have just googled it, yes Wally Backman
another mets gem
Bobby Bonilla should be the manager for the next few years, no need to ‘pay’ him as he’s already being paid.
fans everywhere the astros go and if beltran is with the mets everywhere the mets go, will be banging trash cans, boooing, cat calling every game all game long. it wont be forgotten. it was said beltran was involved in the planning of this cheating personally no one will forget and it will be a major distraction.. if you think it will be forgotten you are fooling yourself.
It’ll be an issue in April, but by August it’ll be forgotten.
He should be fired. Although I’d be more interested in finding out which players were involved, simply not to tarnish their “reputations” is insufficent, or saying “he made me do it.” Sure, mabye they are with different teams now, but it should still be public knowledge so at least now its out there as with Beltran even if he doesnt get fired.
This afternoon I heard on AM830 in Los Angeles.the Los Angeles Angels owned radio station,Roger Lodge the host of The Sports Lodge reported a reliable source told him Beltran was about to be fired.
Your father’s brother’s nephew’s cousin’s former roommate?
If MLB chose not to discipline Beltran, there is no reason for the Mets to do so. Take a day to let the media ask their questions and drop it after that. Besides I don’t see the Mets firing Beltran and eating the money on his contract while still paying Callaway his final contract year, and the new manager they would need to hire to replace Beltran.
I dont think Beltran should get fired, he was a player at the time. cora deserves to be with Rose and never have a chance at coming back to the game that gave him everything. it’s no coincidence he won the world series first time getting the opportunity to manage
Don’t fire him. If MLB thinks he’s protected by the strongest union in the country and they gave him a pass . That should be enough .
His punishment will probably be the writers not voting him into the HoF right away.
Why wouldn’t they vote him in? For his exquisite performance in the 2017 season where he orchestrated a sign stealing operation and hit .327 with 43 HR and an OPS of 993? He really benefitted from that one there. Or, maybe they’ll use common sense and conclude that Beltrán likely was involved with schemes like this his entire career.
But we wouldn’t want that, because that would involve someone else’s favorite ball club
You’re bugging…lol did you look at his 2017 numbers .
I was being sarcastic. I’m implying that the cheating didn’t help him in 2017, but the fact that he orchestrated it and performed on a HOF level for most of his career should bring into question his entire career. That’s why a HOF ballot should be questioned. 2017 just being the year where it was exposed.
The better question for the poll is, should the Mets fire Beltran? Given the dumpster fire in Flushing Meadows, I’ll be surprised if they do unless something else comes out.
You know, the ‘dumpster fire’ that has the record setting NL ROY, the two time NL Cy Young Award winner, one of the top rotations in baseball, the team that finished ten games over .500 in one of baseball’s toughest divisions ? If you say things enough, maybe you can convince yourself that it is a reality.
They should ..
… Make Baseball Great Again!
Every single member of that 2017 team, including ownership & the team itself, should be banned from 2020 baseball for cheating & the 2017 crown vacated.
don’t leave out th 2018 red sox
Let them be found guilty first.
So players that had nothing to do with it should be banned for a full season?
They pretty much have to .. otherwise, everyone will ALWAYS wonder about #TheBeltranYears and question any & every success that the team may have while under his supervision.
“Mets success”…that’s one of those expressions like “jumbo shrimp!” Maybe they should change the organization’s name to the New York Oxymorons.
We pads are so lucky that this guy turned down our interview.
Every Mets broadcast will involve potential cheating stories, if only for humor. If a player gets hot, it will be bc he cheated. If he goes cold, it’s because he didn’t. This is toxic, and will ruin the Mets season. They need to cut bait immediately.
I thought the Mets only exist for comic relief in general.
If it’s true that Beltran lied during his job interview, he could be fired for cause and the employer would not be liable for any contract that was subsequently signed. Mets would be free of the salary obligation. I have no idea what questions Beltran was asked so there is no way for anyone outside the organization to know that detail, at least not yet. But it’s reasonable to expect that questions were asked about the sign stealing accusations so the next few days should be interesting.
I skipped my Moral Philosophy class this week, so I don’t know if Beltran “deserves” to be fired.
But he should be. MLB is suffering a MAJOR slap to the head here, and needs to do some severe damage control. Especially in the largest market in the sport.
This poll is invalid. To be valid, it needed a specific timeline like “Will the Mets fire Beltran before spring traing begins?”, or “Will the Mets fire Beltran before the season starts?”
Without the specific timeline, the answer is most likely yes, even if he isn’t fired until years from now.
Most managers are fired before they resign, retire, or in very rare cases get traded to another team . Years ago, the Indians and Tigers traded skippers!
Years and years ago, Charlés Finley traded Manny Sanguillen for a manager. I can’t remember who though.
Chuck Tanner for Sangy
Yeah that’s right. For some reason I thought it was Danny Ozark, whoops
Fire him, he has shown poor ethics! He will be a poor manager longterm.
During his interview if he told them the truth then I lean toward keeping him. If he didn’t then fire him. Honestly the Mets did the usual and went cheap on a manager
If the Mets asked him in an interview if he was involved with this and he said no, doesn’t that call into question future possibilities of not telling the truth?
He hasn’t even managed a game and he’s already lied to them, who knows what else he said to get the job was truthful?
Tough call but I guess anyone who participated in this scheme should be fired, Mets certainly have had there share of issues….Strawberry, Gooden, seems like b4 season gets underway would b best firing time
I think firing him would probably be saving them from themselves. I never thought the Beltran hiring was a very good one to begin with. He’s never done it anywhere, as any kind of coach. But I also don’t think he should have to be fired. If the league allows it, what’s the problem. All they have to do is say they hired the best manager possible and will make sure that something like this doesn’t happen again.
It’s so Mets to get caught up in a cheating scandal when they weren’t even apart of it.
The media is the driving force behind wanting to get Beltran fired. (See Martino, Davidoff, Sherman). The same self aggrandizing media think they know better than everyone else. Sad times we live in.
Good question, I’m sure they will ultimately let him go if MLB doesn’t do something first
The Mets won’t fire him now, they’ll continue as nothing happened. When the level of distraction becomes so immense that the season is in jeopardy, they’ll make a quick, poorly considered change. Say goodbye to the season, Mets fans!
As with the Red Sox and Cora, the Mets and Beltran should come to a “mutual understanding” that it would be in the best interest of the team for Beltran to step down and not be a distraction. If Beltran has any integrity he’d do that. You makes your choices, you live with the consequences.
That is what should happen
Plot Twist: They announce Piazza as new manager and beltran steps down. That’s the piazza announcement.
The only way the Mets fire him is if they dont have to pay his salary
Yes, they should than hire Showalter they need a manager with a pair of balls
Buck was the guy other than Joe G the Mets should have hired in the first place — I agree
WILL the Mets fire Beltran? I voted no. If they asked SHOULD the Mets fire Bletran I would have answered yes. If Manfred treated this the way MLB treated Pete Rose the penalties would have been so much more severe.
Manfred is a clown and is turning this mess into a clown show
and if Beltran steps down the last person to run this team is Meulens or however you spell his name — this team has a chance at the playoffs and by putting another rookie in charge is not a good idea — but if the Mets do expect a fire sale in July
As a Mets fan the more I think about the situation at all the unfortunate news surrounding it unfortunately I really think the Mets have no choice but to let Carlos Beltran go. My only hope is that they have Terry Collins ready and warm in the bullpen to step in for the 2020 season
I wouldn’t have thought so, but then Cora’s ‘wink wink’ comments that he made about Beltran sinks the ship. No one will want to be associated with the possibility of a tainted season/championship.
Cheaters always continue cheating even after they’re caught.
So, I notice that the focus in NY is Carlos Beltran. Has everyone really not noticed that Jake Marisnick is now on the Mets roster?
Is a marlins fan really talking about rosters?
And your point to my statement is…???
Marisnick is a 5th OF. You’re reaching. Are you ready to finish with 100 losses again???
Yes other teams have cheated, as have certain individuals. But 90% of fans’ vocalized ire will be directed at the ‘Stros.
First time around the league, the first visiting Astro to step to the plate will be booed. A few fans may even bang on trash cans in the stands. But after that, we can get down to the business of baseball.
If they don’t fire Beltran they just prove to the world how much of a continued mess they are
Dead man walking. These folks involved with this could be blackballed, their time in the big leagues done for good. What a brutal way to go. Adios!
Luhnow must likely will never get another GM position on a MLB team.
Cora is radioactive and will likely never get another manager/coaching job in the MLb, right now and Pete Rose has a better chance of managing again before Cora does.
Hinch will probably get another chance down the line. Even if he was weak and did nothing to stop what was happening someone will give him a chance one day. Worse managers have been given multiple chances before.
If Beltran isnt fired there will end up being an MLB disciplinarian at every Mets game watching Beltran like a hawk to make sure he is behaving. Though I’m sure the Mets would love having Joe Torre in their dugout…
My Poor mets, they were not there when the crime occurred yet they still got sprayed with the blood
If I was in charge of the Mets I would cut bait. They have enough drama around their clubhouse to have to add the constant questions about the cheating….IF there were to have more success offensively then last year there will be questions if Beltran is still cheating just b/c of his ties to the Asterisks and him not being punished since he was a player….it reads like they have enough evidence to suspend him had he been a coach but didn’t b/c he was a player.
Speculative article . Lots of Mets could, may and other what if non sense.
But here’s a fact: the Mets watch their money. I’m not saying they’re cheap but they have always had a lower budget for a major market team.
That said, Wilpon isn’t going to fire Beltran and lose that money, not when he’s on his way out in a few years.
The poll results show just how gullible people are. This is fake news people. Start thinking for yourselves.
Could I have been more wrong? Probably not. Never thought Wilpon would eat all that salary. But hey, power to him for doing what is right for his team.
Didn’t I read somewhere that this guy was always “a great clubhouse presence.” Is this why-because he was always looking for some advantage?
If he isn’t fired today then it isn’t going to happen.
If the Mets were to take the ethical high-road like the Red Sox did, yes, they’ll fire him. If he’d been in a position of authority with the Astros and not a player, he would’ve been fired at the same time as Hinch and Cora. Only thing that prevented this is that he was a player and the players are protected by a very powerful union.
My guess is the Red Sox didn’t take an ethical high road, but were being pragmatic. They probably spoke to Cora and based on what he told them and what they already knew from the Astros investigation they let him go knowing he likely was going to be suspended. Thus, letting him go when they did gives them more time to find a manager. I’m not criticizing the Red Sox for that. I’m just saying this was the wise thing to do.
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Beltran lied to the press and likely lied during the interview process.
During the interview, If he told the truth, why would the Mets hire him? If he lied, why would the Mets not fire him?
Hensley Meulens for Manager!
It’s a joke this is even a consideration. He was a player when it happened. Any other players being called out? He wasn’t the ring leader (Cora). Then all players should be fired from Mlb. What about when they moved to other teams? U think everyone went back to playing nice? A travesty if he’s fired
ABSOLUTELY fire him say this charter Mets fan
Absolutely fire him. Mets fan since 1962
Hasn’t Beltran long been praised for legally “decoding opposing teams’ signs and communicating the signs to the batter”, and helping teammates do the same? Clearly the methods used in this case crossed the line, but it’s easy to see how one could progress from one to the other. Given that he was not a person in a position of responsibility- and given the rumors that a lot of other teams may have engaged in similar ‘nanigans– I would be hesitant to make an example of him too quickly. Especially when there does not appear to be any pressure from the league to do anything. I have no problem with the team taking their time to consider the situation, rather than making a snap judgement to appease the Post and the Daily News.
Anybody remember when Beltran was a player for the Royals and he tried to bring his pet monkey with him on road trips? Funny the crazy things you can remember!
All the hypocrites lining up with “Mets should fire Beltran because he’s a cheater”. Yet MLB took no action. Of course, if Altuve or Springer were available you would be clapping like trained seals to go get e’m if he was possible for your team. Spare me your self righteous indignation. Just a bunch of phonies.
I just looked at the home away splits for the 17 and 18 astros. Away stats were better. Found that weird. I didn’t want beltran in the first place. Then I didn’t want him for being part of the cheating. Now I really don’t want him because he couldn’t even cheat well if the team stats were better on the road when they weren’t cheating lol
Bring back the “Gangster” Jerry Manuel!
Typical Mets – indecisive. Probably have him less money than seasoned manager and don’t want to replace him and pay more
No, as far as they are concerned he has a clean slate with their organization. I imagine they did give some sort of warning though.
Post did not age well