The Reds came into the winter ripe for an upgrade at shortstop, but they haven’t done much at the position thus far. The club’s biggest move there has been picking up light-hitting veteran Freddy Galvis‘ $5.5MM option. As things stand, Galvis is slated to enter 2020 as the Reds’ starter at short, though they have their sights set on a much more notable option. Cincinnati has “shown interest in” the Dodgers’ Corey Seager throughout the offseason, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic writes (subscription link).
There is no indication the Dodgers are about to trade Seager, nor is it clear what the Reds would be willing to give up for him. No doubt, though, he’d cost a significant amount in assets. Seager, who debuted in 2015, won NL Rookie of the Year honors the next season, has earned a pair of All-Star nods, and has established himself as one of the game’s most well-rounded shortstops. While the past two seasons were injury-truncated campaigns for Seager, the 25-year-old nonetheless put up 3.3 fWAR and hit .272/.335/.483 with 19 home runs across 541 plate appearances in 2019.
Any team acquiring Seager would be getting a player with two arbitration-eligible seasons left, not to mention someone who’s projected to rake in a more-than-reasonable $7.1MM in 2020. The Dodgers – despite a fairly quiet offseason so far – continue to have the makings of an elite team, so there’s no pressure on their part to give up Seager. That said, dealing Seager would bring back a valuable return that could help LA in another area, and it would free up short for super-prospect Gavin Lux or, in a less probable scenario, the Indians’ Francisco Lindor. The Dodgers have shown interest in Lindor, but if we’re to believe Indians brass, it’s unlikely he’ll change homes prior to the season.
I like it
Like it don’t LOVE it
I’m in lust
The only way the Reds should trade what the Dodgers are going to want for Seager would be to also reach an extension with him. Too much to give up for just two years.
How can you say it is too much if you don’t know the cost? And what if one of those two years brought a WS title? The Reds have a potentially very strong team with just a few glaring holes. Getting someone like Seager will easily fill one of those holes. They need to find a shortstop soon and then start working on finding a couple of reliable bullpen arms.
Why not open season with Senzel at short, see how it goes. potentially better than anyone on market besides Lindor. Barry Larkin quoted that he thought Senzel could play shortstop. leaves outfield with Winker/Ervin, Akiyama and Aquino/
I thought Suarez to SS (his natural position), Moose to 3B (his natural position), and Senzel to 2B (his natural position) makes more sense than anything out there. Galvis then becomes a nice utility guy, which suits him best anyway. Senzel needs to play 2B everyday for the rest of his career. He’s much more valuable to us playing there.
So he’s never really played short but you say he’s potentially better than anyone one on the market besides Lindor? Did you think about that before you typed it?
Senzel’s natural position is actually 3B.
He has bigger, and no longer has the range.
That ship has sailed.
I think Senzel is going to be used as a potential piece to a trade. Now if they went for See her or Lindor they would need more than Senzel, possibly a prospect or draft pick.
I like the idea of Senzel going back to the infield, unfortunately I can’t see Suarez saving too many runs at SS. Dare I say, if Votto continues his decline, move Suarez over to 1st, Moose to 3rd, Senzel to 2nd. Doesn’t solve the SS problem, but makes the outfield less crowded for Akiyama.
Your right but the reds are not moving Suarez from 3rd . And at this time in his career don’t think he would move to SS
Your right but the reds are not moving Suarez from 3rd . And at this time in his career don’t think he would move to SS , senzel is a good ball player but , I don’t think he will play 100 games a year do to he get hurts , right now I would trade senzel, winker mahle for a good SS or a OF , but this are the reds , you never know what they have plan
They shouldn’t as Senzel is 5 years from arbitration
I know you didn’t mention Seager in your post but I don’t see the Dodgers taking Winker in any deal unless it’s to flip him
I disagree. The division is gettable in the next two years. Go for it before the Cubs stop investing in Wrigleyville and television networks and get interested in the on the field product again. Cubs are giving you a window so seize the moment.
Seager is getting 7.6 this coming season
This just in, Tokyo Giants have interest in Aaron Judge. Come on man, bring up actual trade rumors. Just because they asked about Corey doesn’t mean they’ll make a move. I’m sure they asked about May, Lux and Verdugo too. Plus they have no one to trade that LA wants. What is LA doing about their starting rotation? Who’s actually on their trade block? What about their large abundance of outfielders?
MLB Trade……….wait for it………Rumors…
You need to look in the mirror man. You literally just said a rumor wasn’t rumor-y enough for you.
#rumoraddict
Funniest post I’ve seen on here in awhile. Love it. People like this and grammar trolls
Has the definition of rumor changed?
ru·mor
/ˈro͞omər/
noun
a currently circulating story or report of uncertain or doubtful truth.
Yeah, pretty lazy article used for clicks.
i agree, but actually Seager has been a hot stove discussion with Reds fans from the beginning this year.
Do you work for the Dodgers?
I guess not. you have no idea (nor do I), what they would take.
Seager is also injury prone.
I would not up too much.
It’s seems like every year the Dodgers stockpiles pitchers but they still have trouble! Maybe a signal they should get rid of their pitching coaches
Where you hear that about Judge? There is no breaking news about that nowhere and if true it would have been all over here and other sports media! More fake news!!!
yeah, and i have interest in making a multi-billion dollar company.
Seager’s going to Seattle to pair with his brother, that’s such a Mariners move. They’ll probably give up Kelenic plus way more than you’d think for him too, lol.
Glue sniffing when typing.does not work well.
Yeah you might.forget how punctuation works.
Cut it out with Francisco Lindor…….
Please.
It’s as tiring as reading about Donaldson.
If the Indians and Dodgers or Indians and Reds were going to make a trade, it would either be done by now, or well on its way.
Find a new made-up scenario to push on people.
Sometimes you just have to throw a rumor log on the rumor fire, I guess
Yes…..
For the thousandth’s time because you have nothing of substance to write.
There’s a very real scenario where the Dodgers cave on giving away Lux and this becomes a three way trade where both Lindor and Seager end up traded. Not saying it will happen but to act like it’s impossible is naive. There’s so many moving parts in these things. It doesn’t always happen fast, but sometimes it comes out of nowhere.
“Ugh I can’t believe I was forced to read another clearly titled article. When will this madness end?”
Agreed ….Lindor rumors are getting to be more and more like the Antonio Brown saga
i also want a mclaren senna!
I want a bowl of ice cream.
me too! but i want the whole bucket to myself!
Then get your Rollie pollie arse to the grocery store and buy a gallon of ice cream. Get your sprinkles too, fat boy!
Hahahaha
You have an expensive taste. It’s no F1 but shes pretty. The red and white race car or different?
i was a former low level racer and senna was my hero.
25 year remembrance was last year I believe. Ayrton was a hell of a driver. Fan of Schumacher myself. Nice to see F1 fans in here.
Indycar
Hmmmm. Won the Formula One World Championship is 88, 90 and 91. Still going with Formula 1 thanks tho.
Easy
Reds get Corey Seager, Bo Naylor
Dodgers get Francisco Lindor
Indians get Keibert Ruiz, Jonathan India, Mitchell White, Edwin Rios, Stuart Fairchild
This again?
The Indians are not trading the best all-around SS in MLB for a grab-bag of youngsters that are not as good as the ones they already have in their farm system.
How long before these ridiculous trade proposals stop?
Keibert Ruiz is a better catching prospect than any the Indians have and Jonathan India would rank behind Nolan Jones in terms of Indians infield options…….
A top 50 and top 100 prospect plus Carlos Santana 2.0 in Edwin Rios would be a good haul for the Indians, who could plug Rios in the OF immediately. You can argue over what else comes after that but those 3rd tier pieces aren’t as important as those 3 names.
Well you’ve talked yourself into making the trade…………….but no one else.
I mean I am a dodgers fan and I think seager+ruiz+white is too much to give up to get Lindor back, as the gap between Lindor and Seager isn’t that big
Ruiz was the 2nd-best catching prospect in MLB after Adley on Fangraphs end of 2019 list. He is a big fish.
Not that big of a gap. Just 10 WAR over basically the same career length. That’s why he’s getting 4 million and Lindor is estimated at 16.7 but yeah they’re the same player.
2nd best all around SS.
Story is better.
Not defensively and offensively not only because of Coors Field or whatever it’s called now
This is so bad. The Reds won’t get a top SS and Naylor for India and Fairchild, thats flat out ridiculous. Lindor is barley, if at all a better bat than Seager. So the Dodgers trade Ruiz. White and Rios to barley upgrade their SS offense? Don’t quit your day job.
Would love to see your trade proposal. If you’re brave enough to put it out there, doubt it though. If you think you could do better show us what you think a better trade would look like. We are waiting.
Ok lol. Seager for Garrett and India. Much better than your terrible proposal.
Even more than that tbh but those 2 would be the centerpieces
1. Reds are trying to compete. They wouldn’t part with a key pen cog in garrett. Try again.
2. You understand the point of the trade is reds and dodgers still remain competitive right? Not dodgers get better in the pen which is their weakness and reds get weaker in pen which they need…..you just plugged one hole and created another as outside of Garrett reds don’t have a reliable lefty in the pen…..they actually don’t have any other lefty in the pen according to their depth chart on mlb.com….
Garrett is the only lefty the reds have in the pen. They’re not gonna trade their best set up guy and only lefty…. That just creates another hole for them in the pen…..which would be a bigger issue than upgrading shortstop. Try again man.
Point of the trade is dodgers get better or get value for Seager in the future and reds get better for 2020. Upgrading 1 position while down grading another isn’t gonna help the reds in the least.
LOL you expect to get a top SS while giving up peanuts. Its going to at minimum cost a big pitcher.
change that to Iglesias (not Garrett) and India then it’s at least a starting point
Iglesias was bad last year. Sorry but a fringe top 100 prospect and bad 30 year old reliever doesn’t net you a top SS.
Probably have to through in a bit more. Someone like Disco.
Looking at baseball trade value, it is a bit short.
We’re not trading seager for prospects
I would set my sights on Correa …. I’d take him over Seager or Lindor
Cool gm of the couch potatoes is too chicken to present their own trade proposal that would send Seager to the reds. Figured as much.
Reds get- Seager
Dodgers get-Lindor
Indians get-Senzel, Santillan, Ruiz and Gonsolin(or possibly May)
Seager, May and Ruiz to the Reds for Castillo,.Galvis, Lorenzen, and India.
A lot going back to the Indians. Some lesser prospects would have to head to the reds and dodgers for the Indians to get what 3 guys ranking in top 40 prospects last 2 years in senzel may ruiz? Like the outline though so far
Indians need a ML-SS back in order to contend in 2020, Santilan won’t move the needle for them, maybe switch him for lodolo and add Galvis or India. If Senzel is involved, Dodgers would rather just have Lux@SS and Senzel@2B or 3B for next 6 yrs. without giving up Ruiz and gonsolin(May) just for 2 yrs or lindor. No matter what, Reds don’t have farm system to get blue chip in Seager/Lindor, and they definitely won’t benefit playing the middle man with Indians and Dodgers.
@Javla. I’m an Indian’s fan and I think you’re headed in the right direction, but CLE should have no interest in Santillan. It would probably look more like Senzel, Verdugo, Gonsolin, Lodolo, with Galvis as a throw in to cover SS in CLE. CIN gets Seager and LA gets Lindor.
Reds get- Seager for Senzel, Lodolo, and Galvis
Dodgers get- Lindor for Verdugo, Gonsolin, and Ruiz
Indians get- Senzel, Verdugo, Gonsolin, Lodolo, and Galvis for Lindor.
As an Indian’s fan, I have no idea how the roster would accommodate such an addition. Verdugo could replace Bauers. Senzel could replace Chang or Arroyo. Ruiz and Lodolo would be sent to Columbus. Obviously Galvis would replace Lindor at SS. If the Indians think they can cover SS with someone else then Galvis doesn’t need to be in the deal. However, I see no reason the Reds would want to keep him if they have Seager.
Cdav, reds balked at senzel for lindor. But now they are going to get senzel Verdugo and lodolo ?? Lolz. You are going to be one unhappy camper the day lindor is traded
@Javla. Sorry, I reread my post and that is too much for the Dodgers to give for just Lindor. Something else would need to go to them, but I don’t know what that would/could be off the top of my head.
Les I think you’re FOS. Senzel doesn’t have a position with the signing of Akiyama and his MLB debut was less than spectacular. Lodolo is a good, low level SP prospect. The Indians may prefer/demand Santillan instead. Galvis is a throw in.
LOL! Like I was disappointed by the Bauer trade? I think it’s more likely that if CIN shares your sentiments, then they’ll be left with what they have while Lindor and Seager continue to put up MVP numbers.
Bauer nets Reyes, Puig, Allen(Top 100), Moss, and Nova and you don’t think Lindor can get Senzel, Verdugo, Gonsolin, Lodolo, and a throw in?
Yeah, OK man. 2 years of Lindor is not going to bring half of what you are suggesting.
Your rationale is irrational. Trammel peaked in value so reds unloaded him; fans are the only ones who deal in prospect rankings- theres a 150 prospects ranked lower than trammel that I would take over him. A future corner outfielder w below average power. Reds need Greene lodolo Tyler Stevenson and Garcia as they all play premier positions.
Demand all u want though my fanatic friend lolz I can keep lindor and rebuild around his 2022 comp pick
Wow, why would the Reds do that? If they gave up that they’d get Lindor at the least. Then they’d get a new GM, because that still would have been a terrible idea.
That’s a horrible trade
Dream on
Barely.. Not barley. Barley is a cereal grain.
Lindor is better by a mile. Seager’s bat plays, when he can stay on the field. He’s taken about 1000 ABs less than Lindor over the same time frame.
The word is barely. Barley is a cereal grain.
Reds only give up India and Fairchild for Seager and Naylor, dream on. No way Indians would participate in that trade. Unless Senzel is involved, indians and Dodgers don’t need reds as the middle man in a lindor trade. Lindor for Ruiz, Seager, white and Rios is a better than your proposals for the Indians
If reds do get involved in a 3-team trade with the Indians and Dodgers, they will almost certainly get the short-end of the deal.
Cleveland is not trading Lindor for a bunch of prospects that are not MLB ready. The Indians won 93 games in 2019 despite many injuries. They are not planning to rebuild.
You might have to tell the Indians front office this
Indians would be looking for a package of Lux, Senzel & more in order to trade Lindor in a 3 team trade. Cleveland is NOT moving Lindor or Clevinger unless they are absolutely blown away by the offer. The collection of young spare parts you mention above would result in Cleveland hanging up the phone and laughing. If anyone wants Lindor, they are going to have to pay through the nose. If it’s just the Dodgers, think Lux, May & more…
Because the Dodgers would give up Lux, May and more without being absolutely blown away with the offer.
Riiiight.
Lmao
For a couple reasons:
Edwin Rios is Carlos Santana.
Santana was a switch hitting catching prospect with a remarkable batting eye. Edwin Rios does not switch hit, nor play catcher, nor have a remarkable eye at the plate.
You’ve determined that the Reds will trade Fairchild and India for Seager….. But wait there’s more! They’ll also get Bo Naylor back. A guy who is a better prospect than Fairchild. Ok? I don’t see how they wind up with that kind of deal.
Thats nice and all but its going to take one of their starters at bare minimum to get the starting SS from the most win now team in the leauge (tied with the Yankees).
No it wouldn’t. Dodgers have plenty of options for starting pitching. Dodgers would take the best package available from the reds no matter who’s included, starting pitching or not. They have the luxury of putting lux at ss and muncy at 2B if they do trade Seager.
The dodgers would prefer relief pitching before starting pitching as that has been their Achilles heel last couple seasons.
Kershaw Maeda Stripling Gonslin May Buehler Urias. Some are gonna end up in the pen but they could stand to add a big arm or two.
Fun trade idea: Marcus Semien for Sonny Gray straight up with Oakland taking on the whole contract.
Fairly reasonable trade proposal but I think Oakland is excited to go with a young, inexpensive SP staff this year (now that they are finally healthy) and see if they can develop all of them. I can’t see them taking on Gray’s full contract given their payroll constraints. If they can’t lock up Semien to a palatable contract, he’ll be the next star Oakland player to be traded for a package of cheaper players (think Donaldson to Toronto).
Why in the world would the Reds give up the extremely team friendly contract they have with Sonny Gray? They have him signed for 3/$35M or 4/$43M including the 4th year option. For 1 year of Marcus Semien, I doubt they’d even make the effort to laugh at Oakland. For Sonny Gray plus Joey Votto’s contract maybe Cincinnati would listen.
Only way Seager is going to the Reds is in so sort of 3 way deal with the Dodgers getting Lindor, Betts or Hader In like a 10 player blockbuster deal. If anyone can pull off some sort of trade like this it would be the Dodgers front office.
Name the last time the Dodgers FO pulled off a “blockbuster deal.”
This FO has made a few: Machado and Darvish at the deadline or the original Adrian Gonzalez megatrade are a few examples.
They don’t make headlines just to make headlines, though: All of those trades addressed a specific roster weakness at an acceptable cost that did not detract from the current product on the field.
I wouldn’t call Machado or Darvish blockbuster trades. They were both for rentals, a couple of months for a handful of mostly unimportant prospects. The Gonzales trade surely was, but it didn’t happen on this FO’s watch.
They make some big trades, but seem unimportant at the time. Kemp trade, and joining in on the frazier trade and doing the puig trade for prospects was good
The Kemp deal was really just a bad contract swap. Nobody expected him to even make the team let alone play up to a last hurrah for a few months. It was almost entirely about money, so nothing blockbuster about that trade. I don’t understand the assumption that this FO is always coming up with masterful, team-altering trades, when in reality, they never have. Their trades are almost invariably about juggling the books and nibbling around the edges.
This is old news. The Dodgers were considering moving Seager as a part of a package for Lindor or Betts, and the Reds were trying to be the third team, trying to land Seager for prospects while the Dodgers got Lindor or Betts.
Dodgers don’t trade Seager unless they get Lindor, right? Or is clearing the way for Lux and exploiting the Reds’ position a Friedman move? I dunno. Just asking.
This makes more sense than anything else written about the Dodgers since the 2019 season ended. Obviously Gerrit Cole was the uber move they needed to make yet almost nothing was written about the Dodgers in this regard because the word was out that the Yankees wanted Cole.
This is a good move for the Dodgers to recharge their healthy farm and make it superior.
Reds in case you have not noticed don’t really have rumors that pan out as front office don’t leak info… My guess is Reds are not even trying to get Lindor or Seager.. If anything it will be a shocker like Story and no not saying story will be a Red just using an example
Huh
why would the reds want seager with 19 home runs last year when they already have galvis who hit twenty-three?
Seriously? Lifetime numbers-
Galvis-.248/.291/.675
Seager-.294/.362/.853
Do you notice a slight difference tim1954? Besides which Seager is much younger.
Baseball, Agree w it or not, is a what have u done for me lately league.
Galvis spent last season playing in one of the greatest launching pads in the game
Front offices are smart enough to realize that he won’t hit like that away from Great American Small Park.
People know how park factors on offense work. Galvis also didn’t manage to even reach a .300 on base percentage, which is just hideously bad. Seager has a career OBP of .362.
Freddy Galvis wouldn’t make the Dodgers’ 25 man roster. If they took him in a trade, they would literally release him.
Galvis didn’t spend last season in Cincy, unless you consider 116 PAs to be a “season”. Spent most of the year in Toronto, where he hit 18 of his 23 HRs in his 473 PAs.
Ahh yes, that’s right, I forgot he was a new signing.
Doesn’t change the reality that he put up a 89 wRC+ while doing so; players who get on base under .300 are offensive liabilities.
That is really quite poor.
Seager is an enormously more valuable hitter than Galvis as he has always reached base at well-above average rates
Haha and toronto is a pitchers park?
its seager for just two years, isnt it? why trade a lot of young talent for 19 home runs for two years was my point. would seager’s presence lead the reds to a world series much more than galvis (and the talent traded away for him?)
Seager was hurt, and coming back from injury. To think the stats from the past two years reflect what he’ll do next season is really foolish
A menage a trois between CLE, CIN, and LA makes sense on different levels, but that doesn’t make it likely.
surely the Dodgers would insist on pitching in this deal. Thats really all they need.
I like how author refers to Galvis as “light hitting”. he had more total bases that Seager last year.
A man with an on-base percentage under .300 (both for the 2019 season and his career) is justifiably described as ‘light hitting’. That is pathetically bad.
Maybe the Jays can offer Bichette for Galvis and see if the Reds bite, yunno, since Galvis had double the total bases of Bichette last year.
Yeah, it’s cause galvis sucks and Seaver’s good
What makes most sense for reds is that they sign Ozuna and trade senzel for lindor. Seems like reds are the team balking at that trade while dodgers and padres didn’t even make a real offer to Indians for lindor. I see reds hanging onto their young talent so doubt it goes down for prospects w dodgers. Reds should value Greene and lodolo higher than senzel and their next two prospects are a C and a SS which are their two biggest position needs so doubt they would even consider moving either of them.
If dodgers need top notch relief help- Iglesias the closer could be a great fit. He had a bad mental year last year but was still throwing a 100 in September. Him and maybe India for seager. Reds can move mahle into a back end roll and move Amir Garrett to closer.
Cleveland would require Senzel & some one like Lux too in order to trade Lindor. In other words, the Reds don’t have enough quality prospects to trade for Lindor straight up. Lindor is a superstar; Senzel is an unproven prospect who barely got his feet wet last year. It’s just not going to happen unless they can find 2 more Top 50-60 MLB prospects (or young stud MLB players) to include in that deal.
Eventually Cleveland will require a comp pick for lindor bc they aren’t going to fork over 35 million a season for lindor. Today they can’t get senzel so they can hold out all til trade deadline if they want but that may not make a difference as u still need a buyer. Go into next offseason and you’re return will be equal to a comp A pick.
After the return for Kluber you think Indian fans would be a bit more rational but guess not
Lord Jesus! Les you make absolutely no sense. So the Reds, who happen to have made several additions to compete in 2020, are going to decimate their BP. WTF are you talking about? I don’t know if Iglesias had a “bad mental year last year”, but I think you’re having one now. I mean I’m an Indians fan and don’t really care, but that makes absolutely no sense.
I disagree on the bullpen part but agree with everything else. Starting SS I’ll take any day over a closer. Closers are only good if they get the chance to close on a reg basis (meaning, you have to get the lead first!). Iglesias was horrible last year and the Reds could use Amir Garrett in the role next year, sign or trade for BP depth, and have much better projections than they do now. SS, CF and C (and SP but not relevant for the point) are the most premium positions in baseball. If you can get a top 5 talent at one of those positions you do it if you are trying to contend for a WS. See Reds exploring options at SS, signing Shogo and pursuing Grandal heavily.
Cdav u butt hurt bruh bc I laughed at your beyond ridiculous trade offer ??
Does anyone smell the possibility of a three team trade? Those are pretty difficult to pull off but they do happen.
Calling a shortstop who hit .260 with 23 home runs last season “light hitting” makes me laugh. I remember the days of true “light hitting” middle infielders such as Eddie Brinkman, Johnnie Lemaster, Mike Tyson and a hundred more like them. Guys who had 10-15 year careers as starters and who now, even in their primes, wouldn’t even make a AAA roster. Just amazing how the game has changed.
Galvis was a poor player on offense last year, putting up a batting line that was almost 20% below league average after you account for his home park. While GABP inflated his power numbers, he continued to get on base at an embarrassingly bad rate, matching his career OBP on the south side of .300 (league average is .320). It is virtually impossible for a player with an OBP under .300 to provide even league average offense.
Galvis is not an asset at the plate and light hitting is an adequate description of his talent.
It is true that Eddie Brinkman and Johnnie LeMaster were even worse hitters than Galvis was, but Galvis was closer to their offensive production than he was to league average.
Players who reach base at a clip under .300 are not really viable starters on a MLB team unless they are catchers, where the offensive bar is so low that they can get by with fantastic defense.
Galvis had 47 plate appearances at Great American Ball Park. That really inflated his power numbers.
He hit a remarkable 2 HRs at GABP with a .642 OPS.
Oh, come on. Calling Mike Tyson light-hitting can’t just go unnoticed.
It’s hard for me to see the dodgers as willing to move seagers present value unless it led to them replacing that value by acquiring either a top of the rotation SP, a shutdown bullpen piece or an elite player along the lines of a Lindor or Betts…either thru a 3 way or multiple deals)
A 3 way with the Mets & reds for Thor.
A 3 way with the brewers & reds for hader.
Maybe a trade for Betts followed by a separate trade with the reds.
Etc etc
You get the point. Something along those lines.
In terms of the value I’d expect in return from the reds if it was a return value of just prospects…I guess my expectation would be something along the lines of Lodolo, India, Richardson & Siani.
Now…I’m obviously biased and I’m quite certain that reds fans will hate the thought of including Lodolo…but unless the reds were to include either a Lodolo, a Hunter greene or an Amir Garrett type of talent or value in the trade then I don’t really see why the dodgers would want to move seager but Im certainly willing to admit that I could be completely wrong.
i honestly cant see seager/lindor moving. I can see brewers trading hader for perhaps Will Smith (catcher)
People get that the gap between Seager and Lindor is like 1.5-2 wins right? for the same number of years of control?
The Dodgers aren’t going to trade Seager+multiple high value prospects for the pleasure of upgrading their shortstop production by a 2 wins for 2 seasons.
There’s a lot of heavy fantasizing going on here.
The point remains though, Junts1, is that the Dodgers have asked Cleveland about Francisco Lindor and others all offseason.. Don’t worry though as they have been unwilling to meet Cleveland’s price so you can watch Seager and I will enjoy watching Francisco Lindor.
It’s nearly impossible for two teams that are trying to compete in the same season(s) to conclude meaningful trades. It is unsurprising that stuff is not progressing. Really, there’s no prospect of a deal between the two if Cleveland is not in part motivated by shedding salary and is interested in taking back prospects who will contribute in the future. Anyone who will contribute in 2020 will also contribute to the Dodgers, and the difference between Seager and Lindor is such that you can’t really make the Dodgers a better team in that sequence (upgrade SS, downgrade somewhere else, neutral result). May, Lux, Gonsolin, etc will all contribute meaningfully to the Dodgers in 2020.
The path to a deal has always been Cleveland deciding they are interested in talent that is MLB ready in 2021 or 2022, which makes acquiring Lindor something that could actually improve the Dodgers in 2020. That means a prospect like Mitchell White, Josiah Gray or Jeter Downs.
I think it has received a lot more attention than it has any real reason to, but IMO the only trade that would ever have served the interests of both teams with Lindor has been something like “Lindor for Seager + Gray”. It’s hard for Cleveland to get an enormous return on any swap that returns Seager back because the gap between the players just isn’t that large: Lindor’s better, but not by a ton, and there have been seasons in their careers where the reverse was true. If Cleveland wanted a bigger prospect return,. they should make the above trade with the Dodgers and then trade Seager for all prospect return:
I think that these rumors have only really churned because people had some credible reason to believe Cleveland is in salary-shedding mode and there is enormous media desire for the Dodgers to do something major, even though they don’t really need to.
I think that trade is more likely to happen at the deadline: if Cleveland has a bad year and has a poor chance at the division, they’ll get a much better return dealing Francisco when the acquiring team gets 2 postseasons out of him than doing it next offseason. If I were them, I would probably wait and see how my season went, and if it doesn’t go great, I’d call the Dodgers and offer them Lindor for the best prospect they have who isn’t MLB-ready.
You could get Ruiz or someone that way, or get Gray+White or Gray+Downs, which would be a really nice return for a season and a quarter of any player.
Junts, You continue to say that there is not much difference between Lindor and Seager, yet the Dodgers continue to push the trade talks between the two teams so obviously they do not agree with you. I do agree with you that it is extremely difficult for two contenders to pull off a trade that is why no trade between the two teams is likely to happen. And as I said before, I am fine with that.
Indeed. I think it is less that the Dodgers are pushing it extremely hard than that it is getting covered extremely hard. Teams talk constantly, and as long as Cleveland looked like they might sell off parts for payroll, it made a lot of sense to see if you could pry an upgrade out of them.
I would guess the Dodgers’ perferred method of acquiring Lindor is not to send Seager back at all, but to keep him. They like depth, and Justin Turner’s a year from free agency and spends lots of time on the IL.
It is the local Dodger media feeding the national media. The Dodgers have been all talk and no action so they are trying to feed the media to convince their fans that they are trying to do something. Cleveland’s front office is known for not doing their trade business in the public.
You can also stop with the payroll comments as well. Cleveland has already cut plenty of payroll and it is not an issue with Lindor for the 2020 season. Lindor will remain an Indian unless a team overwhelms them with an offer. That offer will provide players for 2020 and beyond. The Cleveland Indians do not plan to sell out and give up on 2020.
You comment about the Dodger’s preferred method. Remember for a trade to happen, both teams needs must be met or no trade will happen.
I agree. Lindor only makes sense if the Dodgers keep Seager and move him to 3B. Otherwise the improvement is too marginal to be worth the cost, whatever it might be.
The “local Dodger media” writes about a Lindor trade virtually not at all. You’ll find that all of these rumors are drummed up by the national media. It would be more interesting to ask where they get their information.
Dodger Blue and Dodger Nation write about Lindor and Clevinger about every other day. It was a Dodger radio reporter that brought up that the Dodgers asked on Clevinger so your comment is wrong. Those sites and others continue to feed the national media.
Cleveland does not do their business in the media. It is not in their dna.
Those are fan groupie sites not actual reporters.
Word is that Seags doesn’t want to move to 3b. Lux takes over at SS if he is moved for anyone besides Lindor.
David Vassegh, a Dodger reporter, is another one pushing this on MLB Network.
Also, those sites, are still part of today’s version of media.
I don’t listen to Vassegh so I don’t know what theories he’s pushing but I will note that most of these stories are sourced by the national sports media. The only reporter cited in this post is Rosenthal. This seems pretty typical. I also don’t count fan blogs as being part of the media. I’ve never seen one that reported something that they didn’t read somewhere else and the rest is really just fan chatter.
Dude, you don’t have facts straight what so ever. You’re looking at little kids acting like reporters, those threads are horrible.
No
I’ll enjoy watching seager in the playoffs and you can enjoy watching lindor get beat by the twins in the wild card game
Keep in mind that Lindor was hurt last year for the first 6+ weeks of the season, so his WAR was down (around 5.0). In 2018, his WAR was 8.0, good for #3 or #4 in all of MLB. While Corey Seager is a great player, Andrew Friedman would personally pack up Seager’s locker himself if he could add Lindor to the roster. If they could get Lindor for Lux and trade Seager for Senzel, I think LA would do this tomorrow, but I’m thinking Cleveland would want more (Lux & May) for Lindor.
While Lindor has had 8 win seasons, he certainly doesn’t project to have an 8 win season on average. The gap in Fangraph’s projections is 4.3 war for Seager and 6 for Lindor. Lindor could beat that, but Seager could also easily return to being a 6-8 win player, like he was in 2016 and most of 2017 before his hip and arm injuries began.
Cleveland is not going to get two top-10 prospects in MLB for 2 years of Francisco Lindor taking in arbitration raises. That is just a completely unrealistic number (it’s basically what the Red Sox paid for 3 years of Chris Sale making 15m per season!). Unlike Sale, Lindor isn’t signed to a super team friendly extension and is going to make some real money in his last two arbitration seasons before free agency.
The difference of 1.5-2 WAR will be more than covered by Lindor’s superior defense and base running. Over 5 seasons Seager has produced 17.8 WAR. In the same 5 seasons, Lindor has produced 28.6 WAR. Seager is a damn fine player, but he is not on Lindor’s level. I understand that injury has dented Seager’s value, but it also did the same to Lindor’s overall numbers last season or he may have very well produced another season of a WAR approaching 8. After Trout, Lindor and Mookie are 2 of the best position players in the game. That won’t come cheaply.
Seager missed a signififcant amount of time over that span; Lindor produced that value in 3200 plate appearances, vs 2000 for Seager.
Lindor is better than Seager, but he is not a 4-5 war upgrade over him, and the Dodgers are not going to treat him like he is.
Seager actually does quite well in baserunning and defensive valuation. In fact, last season, Lindor was 2 runs below average as a baserunner, and Seager was 3.4 runs ABOVE average, which made up most of the gap in their defensive value (the defensive gap was +8 for Lindor).
Seager is a very good baseball player.
I’m not sure if you realize this, but defense and baserunning are both included in WAR. They are not an unmeasurable thing that is added in afterwards.
Yeah but Lindor is way more consistent and productive over Seagar up to this point in their careers. Galvis did hit 23HR and 70RBI last year too and he will be 30 but Seagar turns 26 at start of year and you would only have 1 more year of control on Seagar. I like Seagar alot but if I was Reds GM I’m not giving up a ton for Seagar because I don’t see a huge upgrade. Plus Seager has been a little injury prone in his career already. I’d try for Lindor and go all in.
My question is the motivation to move Seager to the Reds or any team. You would have to imagine a trade would involve a 3 team swap where the Dodgers get Lindor or Betts (or similar players) and the Reds provide majority of the return to both teams in the trade. As a Reds fan this would be crazy awesome to see… but I see no reason for the Dodgers to give him up without equal or better MLB talent in return. Reds aren’t giving up mlb ready talent besides a mostly unproven Senzel, so something would have to give. Remind you Dodgers are pretty friggin good and haven’t won a WS is a long, long time. No reason to trade a perennial All Star talent for the heck of it.
Seager for castillo
No.
Better include about three more pieces with Seager. Castillo has maybe top 5 or 10 trade value in all of MLB. Four years of control, pre-arbitration salary.
Go get him!
Listened to a great interview with Dick Williams on WLW last night. He said they know Senzel can athletically play the SS position, but they won’t use him there because of it being the most taxing throw for an infielder to make, and he’s recovering from shoulder surgery.
Fan=Fanatic=overvalue of players and prospects on one’s favorite team.
There is no indication the Dodgers are about to trade Seager, nor is it clear what the Reds would be willing to give up for him……… Non News
I called this from the start. Seager is a young star (when not injured), doesn’t cost as much as Lindor, a possibility to sign long-term and may not cost you Senzel.
Winker, India, Santillian & Rasiel, for Seager and Josiah. Coming from the Red’s side it may be light, but I still can’t believe we gave up Josiah and Jeter Downs to shed Bailey last year. Understand the want to win, but man Josiah just started learning to pitch prior to being drafted.
Here’s a thought why not use Galvis at short, Moose at 2nd, and Suarez at 3rd. Senzel can play center.
The Reds signed Shogo Akiyama as their primary CF
I’ve read that there is no set position determined for him yet. But the Reds GM stayed in an article on MLB that he believes he can play all spots in the outfield and can give Senzel rest time and is a great piece to work with Aquino.
If lurking in wild car territory is the objective, it could be accomplished with that lineup you projected. Or we could still utilize that lineup on off days and compete by bettering the team. The idea is to excel where we struggled most.
Per WAR, Moose will help our worst position, 2B. Next obviously is SS and C, Galvis<Seager and Ty Steve may push his way up for a cameo yet this year. Would love for Jose Garcia to decimate Milb and arrive, but seems to be too many "ifs" involved to expect to win.
Honestly, not many catchers are available, especially at a lower cost $$ wise for the reds, to make a splash a la Seager. We should be able to add some salary per Krail's recent comments, Any candidates you see improving the Red's targeted window of the next two years?
here’s a rumor Alberto Mondesi to the Dodgers for 3 top prospects
Three-team deal incoming? Reds get Seager, Dodgers get Lindor, Indians get Senzel and prospects from the Dodgers.
I love Seager as a Dodger, but if it means getting Lindor, boy bye.
Just for fun, let’s hear some suggestions. Work out a trade where the Reds get Seager and the Dodgers get Suarez, since the Reds could move Moose to 3B. Remember Suarez’s deal is EXTREMELY team friendly for 6 years.
Bdonnell that would never happen for the reason you stated at the end of your comment.
No trade is even gonna happen or would I do this but India, Tyler Mahle, and Nick Lodolo would be a good fit. Mahle to help at the present and I’ve heard a lot of people say that Nick could be this year and a great left handed starter. But again no trade will happen.
I’ll add another crappy 3 team trade idea because it’s fun:
Indians get: Nick Senzel, Hunter Greene, Kiebert Ruiz and Jeter Downs
Dodgers get: Francisco Lindor, Triston McKenzie
Reds get: Corey Seager and Mitchell White
Indians get an elite prospect / recent pro, a top 50 prospect, a top 60 prospect and a top 100 prospect.
Dodgers get the best player int he trade plus a pitching prospect that’s one of the Indians top 3 prospects and top 80 overall..
Reds get a substantial upgrade at SS as well as a pitching prospect ranked in the Dodgers top 10.
Or to put it another way: Reds lose Senzel and Greene and gain Seager and White. Dodgers lose Seager, Ruiz, Downs and White and gain Lindor and McKenzie. Indians lose Lindor and Mckenzie and gain Senzel, Greene, Ruiz and Downs.
Alright, so who’s getting ripped off and why?
One of the better trade offers I’ve seen. I think the deal breaker might be on the Cleveland side, asking to include McKenzie in the deal. Losing a cost controllable asset like McKenzie goes against what the Indians are all about, especially a highly ranked one. Plus, who knows how Greene will recover from his TJ surgery; there’s extra risk there. With that said, this is still one of the better trade proposals I’ve seen. Add a slightly lower prospect than McKenzie and I really think you are on to something here…nice work!
Reds are getting ripped off. Hunter Greene is going to be a stud ace pitcher. The guy is huge now. Was a string bean throwing 103 still out of high school. TJ won’t impact him very much because he is extremely athletic. Giving him + Senzel is an extreme overpay for seager and a pitcher not nearing as valuable as Greene
Reds fans are over-valuing India as a prospect. He had a slightly above average showing in the minors last year and has now slipped down to the Reds #4 – #6 prospect (depending on which site you use). While he doesn’t have any real minor experience, it seems Lodolo is by consensus the Reds best prospect, pending the recovery of Hunter Greene of course, and Santillan is highly thought of as well. Experts are comparing India’s ceiling to that of Chase Headley…who had a few good years but was certainly not a huge difference maker like Suarez is. If the Reds can use India to get an established MLB player, they should jump at the chance to do so, but it seems that India’s prospect value continues to depreciate.
Dorothy so true and which is also the case for fans of pretty much every club. Which is the case of being a fan. Also prospects in general are over valued. So many top prospect in baseball never reach the potential they are said to be. The question is value and if the team taking the prospect feel it meets there need and feel that they can develop that player.
I don’t see how you can argue that prospects are generally over-valued. Not only is every case different, prospects are nearly always a major feature of any trade, so they are valued by the teams in the player marketplace for what the buyers and sellers think they are worth. The oddest aspect to all of this discussion is when the talk is about free agents, the dominating argument is that they are always being overpaid. Then when it comes to prospects, they are over-valued. Is any player right-valued? The correct answer is, they all are, that’s the marketplace for players in action. The counterargument is really just nothing more than many fans don’t like to see those values being expressed, for no better reason than they personally disagree with them. It’s like howling at the moon, as if the moon is going to care.
Bluesky I’m just speaking to the fact that prospects of a fans team are over valued by said fan. The value a Reds fan might put on India would generally be higher then a Dodger fan would think.
Point taken, but everybody making too much and being valued too highly is the dialog we have here so often.