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The A’s Draft Gamble That Paid Off

By Anthony Franco | May 10, 2020 at 9:34am CDT

The A’s have built a pair of reigning playoff teams, a much-welcome return to relevancy after three consecutive last place finishes from 2015-17. Recently, they’ve been anchored by a perhaps still-underrated superstar. Over the past two seasons, Matt Chapman has hit .263/.348/.507 (131 wRC+) with 60 home runs in 1286 plate appearances. More notably, he’s proven himself a wizard at third base, racking up an absurd 68 defensive runs saved. With his achievements on both sides of the ball, Chapman has been worth 12.8 fWAR/16.6 bWAR in the last two seasons alone. Baseball Reference’s value metric places him as the third-most valuable position player in that time (behind only Mike Trout and Mookie Betts). Fangraphs slots him sixth, with Alex Bregman, Christian Yelich and Anthony Rendon joining Trout and Betts in the top five.

Regardless of where specifically one would slot Chapman among the game’s best players, it’s apparent he’s at least in the conversation. Given the player he’s become, it’d be easy to assume he was seen as a ’can’t-miss’ talent dating back to his amateur days. That’s not really the case. He was the A’s first-round pick back in 2014, 25th overall. At the time, though, that pick could’ve been considered a bit of a reach, at least in comparison to public rankings.

Neither Baseball America nor MLB Pipeline had Chapman in their top 50 prospects pre-draft (BA slotted him 64th, while Pipeline placed him 82nd). Nor did he crack the top 30 of then-ESPN analysts Keith Law and Christopher Crawford the fall prior. That’s not meant to be a criticism of draft prognosticators. Despite his frame, Chapman never showed much power in games as an amateur. He hit a cumulative 13 home runs over his three years at Cal State Fullerton. It’s hardly surprising evaluators didn’t see a future 36-homer bat in the big leagues.

Questions about Chapman’s hitting prowess were prevalent enough that both Baseball America and MLB Pipeline pointed to pitching as a potential fallback. The elite arm strength he now shows off at the hot corner in Oakland helped him touch 98 MPH on the mound in college. While the consensus was that Chapman should be a given a shot in pro ball at third, where reviews on him defensively were always positive, it wasn’t hard to imagine him flaming out and moving to the mound someday.

To the A’s credit, they never seemed to budge on their evaluation of him as a hitter. Asked about a potential mound conversion for Chapman after the draft, A’s scouting director Eric Kubota shot down the idea to Jimmy Durkin of the Bay Area News Group. “He’s got a chance to be an elite defender at third base,” Kubota told Durkin. “He can really throw. We think his bat is ever-improving. We think there’s untapped power there. We think this is a guy who is going to develop into a power hitter.”

Kubota’s words look awfully prescient in hindsight. Obviously, the organization’s belief in Chapman wasn’t shared throughout the league. There’s no chance he’d have fallen to pick 25 if it were. If teams were to redraft the 2014 class today, Chapman would no doubt be at the top of most teams’ boards. His emergence is a credit to the A’s scouting and player development staffs (and a testament to Chapman himself), an example of the ideal progression teams dream of when they bring a talented player into the system. It’s also a reminder that teams’ evaluations of draft prospects can vary, sometimes to their immense success.

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  1. DarkSide830

    5 years ago

    wasnt Dylan Carlson the same? I remember MLB.com not even having a video on him like they had for every top draft prospect

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    • hOsEbEeLiOn

      5 years ago

      Cause he wasn’t a “top draft” prospect.

      He wasnt ranked in the mlb.com top 200 that year.

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      • DarkSide830

        5 years ago

        my point though is both were considered reaches and paid off

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    • Vladguerrerojr20

      5 years ago

      Alex Anthopolous selected Jeff Hoffman(9) and Max Pentecost (11), a negative WAR pitcher and a catcher that never cracked AAA. Nice.

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      • cptstupendous

        5 years ago

        Max Pentecost had injury issues causing him to retire. Hard to knock the player or org too much, easier in Hoffman’s case.

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    • JamesM

      5 years ago

      What has Carlson done in the majors?

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  2. Brian the Foley

    5 years ago

    I don’t get the hype. He is a good defensive third base man, but can’t hit for average and hasn’t drove in runs. If he stole bases I could see the upside, but hasn’t done that either.

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    • Brian the Foley

      5 years ago

      Yes he had 91 rbi last year but if you hit 36 homers you should have more.

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      • rememberthecoop

        5 years ago

        RBI is a team stat, not a way to judge the individual player. Yes, he has to get the hit with RISP so there are people who believe in “clutch”. But for the most part, RBI are a function of having men on base to drive in, something that is out of the hitters control.

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        • arc89

          5 years ago

          If you followed him in the minors he was never the super star stats but improved each year to end the year with solid numbers. He had a bad wrist injury that drove down his numbers.

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      • Strike Four

        5 years ago

        It’s hard to have RBI out of the 2-spot in the order.

        RBI’s are the most worthless stat of all time. No value at all in them. A hitter can make an out (fail at his job) and get an RBI.

        if Matt Chapman isn’t in your top 10 current best MLB players, you shouldn’t be talking about baseball because you don’t understand what good baseball is.

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        • Jonny5

          5 years ago

          Some guys hit better with runners in scoring position, some hit worse. Obviously this plays a part in rbis, and calling them meaningless just shows your lack of understanding of the game. Not surprising, you have horrible takes on most things baseball related.

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        • DTD_ATL

          5 years ago

          Strike Four, how many games have been won with 0 runs? That’s what I thought. Anyone who thinks RBIs are irrelevant is an idiot.

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        • macstruts

          5 years ago

          And what event contributes to runs scored? It’s getting on base a d not making outs. It’s 2020 and some fans are still stuck in the 70s.

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        • Melchez

          5 years ago

          Jose Abreu’s led the league in rbis. The white sox were pretty bad at getting on base. Some players are better at getting that runner in than others.
          Pujols had over 90 rbis. He was a 1 war. Does that mean you could have put anyone in that spot and they would have done just as well?

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      • Eatdust666

        5 years ago

        Lol batting average is an overrated statistic, more overrated than any other statistic except for wins above replacement.

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        • pinstripes17

          5 years ago

          You automatically lose the argument the second you bring up batting average and RBI’s. Two completely irrelevant stats in today’s game, and rightfully so.

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        • Javia

          5 years ago

          Batting average: your percentage of base hits per plate appearance. How is that irrelevant? Sure, you can have a high OBP with a low BA. That can help you score but it won’t help you drive anyone in. When I watch a baseball game I want to see players hit the ball, I don’t want to watch them walk. Personally, I would take a player like Tony Gwynn with a lifetime .338/.388 10 times out of 10 over someone like Juan Soto with a lifetime .287/.403. Sure, Soto gets on base more, but with the game on the line I want someone I know can hit the ball.

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        • Big97

          5 years ago

          Gwynn was a GOAT but give me a guy like Soto who can hit a home run in any situation with an on-base percentage hovering around .400 – what Soto can do at his age is unbelievable regardless of whether he hits .300 or not.

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      • Iceman15

        5 years ago

        Chapman also hit in the #2 hole a lot last year behind semien who also had 35 bombs. That will affect your RBI total for sure

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    • baseball10

      5 years ago

      Are u looking for a guy to help your fantasy team or a guy to help you win games?

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      • nymetsking

        5 years ago

        Sure sounds like the former.

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    • Get Off My Mound

      5 years ago

      You must not watch him play. He can hit for average, actually as evidenced by his .278 batting average in 2018. But, as anyone should know in this day and age of baseball, that batting average isnt the best indicator of hitting prowess anymore. Last season, even though his avg. dipped to, he had a .848 ops and a 126 wrc+, meaning 26 percent better than the league average hitter, who also walks at an above average clip. Pair that with defense as or better than Arenado, than yes, you can definitely see the hype surrounding Chapman. The stolen base comment is silly. Plenty of great hitters who play good to great defense don’t steal bases.

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      • sherlock_

        5 years ago

        He was also dealing with some hand/wrist injuries

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    • lannibal2000

      5 years ago

      The hype is there and the production is there as clearly stated in the article. Chapman was never in the spot of the lineup that generates the most runs batted in being the 2 spot. He may not have the highest average but he makes up for it in other areas the game and has good isolated power. He may not steal bases but he’s a better baserunner than guys who have higher speed scores then he does and that’s just a testament to his knowledge while running the bases.

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      • Get Off My Mound

        5 years ago

        ^This

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        • lannibal2000

          5 years ago

          I swear people are beyond ignorant when it comes to how good of a player that Matt Chapman really is

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        • Get Off My Mound

          5 years ago

          Agreed. You dont get the third highest WAR in the league, right behind Betts and Trout, by just being a decent player.

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        • lannibal2000

          5 years ago

          No you don’t haha. 1 of only 3 players in the history of the game to have a 8+ bWAR season more than once in their first full 3 seasons.

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        • Brian the Foley

          5 years ago

          .248 enough said. Or should I point out a garbage obp

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        • Brian the Foley

          5 years ago

          Bat is flat. Juice ball got him 36 homers in a batter friendly Al west

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        • lannibal2000

          5 years ago

          Brian the Foley please don’t make yourself look even more ignorant by bringing up his “garbage” OBP which was better than league average lmao. Why don’t you mention what his .ISO was last season?

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        • Strike Four

          5 years ago

          He hit 36 homers in the minors too.

          He’s going to hit 46 in the first full season back. Then 56. Maybe 66 or 76!

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        • lannibal2000

          5 years ago

          He hit 21 of his homeruns in his home field which is a pitcher friendly ballpark…he also has a raw power grade of 60 which is an indicator that the power is real and not aided by juiced balls. You really shouldn’t speak on anything that you lack the knowledge to even be in the conversation. You say you’re resting your case with a couple sentences and can’t even elaborate to make your case lmao

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        • lannibal2000

          5 years ago

          Brian the Foley it’s beyond humourous that multiple people mopped the floor with you and all you can muster is a couple weak sentences with no substance substance in response.

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        • A'sfaninLondonUK

          5 years ago

          Blimey, dig yourself a hole Brian, and keep digging you clown.

          He plays 81 games a year at the Coliseum. The stadium has enough foul territory to produce root vegetables for the entire population of El Salvador (which if 2020 season is cancelled) is a revenue generating option the front office is considering according to Ken Rosenthal…

          theathletic.com/sweet-potato-and-beetroot

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        • bkwalker510

          5 years ago

          lol ok

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    • statman

      5 years ago

      Hey Beane did a great job with the Kyler Murray draft pick, didn’t he??? Why don’t Beane apologists like this one in MLBTR talk about this absurd move??? Using the 9th overall pick to draft a football player that NO team had viewed as a first round baseball talent??? Nice move Mr. Beane!!!

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      • Get Off My Mound

        5 years ago

        @Statman this article isnt about Kyler Murray, take your Billy Beane hatred and place it elsewhere yeah?

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    • thejedisloth

      5 years ago

      He only had 134 plate appearances last year with a runner in scoring position. He had a 1.040 OPS in those situations.
      Really though, its time for people to move on my from RBI has a benchmark stat, it’s 2020 and we have a whole treasure trove of more useful stats.

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    • Vladguerrerojr20

      5 years ago

      Dude, he’s one of the most valuable players in the game. He’s racked up 19.8 WAR through his first 385 games, that’s absolutely insane. Mookie Betts put up 17.8 WAR through his first 355 games, Mike Trout 19.9 WAR through his first 336 games. That is superstar level production.

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  3. baseball10

    5 years ago

    You better not ask Keith Law about that. He will block u just for asking. Wish the Athletic would have never hired that clown. Great job by the Athletics

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    • rememberthecoop

      5 years ago

      Anyone who asks about RBI to Keith Law should be blocked cuz it’s an idiotic thing to bring up, especially to him.

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  4. richt

    5 years ago

    I didn’t even notice that the A’s had made the playoffs the last two seasons. Because they lost the play-in game each time. MLB needs to change its playoff alignment. A single game wild card matchup doesn’t feel like the postseason. Needs to be a series.

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    • DarkSide830

      5 years ago

      problem is a full series lengthens things out to play just one extra series. why i actually think its good is it puts extra benefit on winning divisions. and as one can see with last year’s example, if you are the best team on baseball. its clearly not a disadvantage coming out of the wild card spot.

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    • Brian the Foley

      5 years ago

      +1

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  5. Brixton

    5 years ago

    Chapman is going to end up a 180M+ player if he continues to trend the way he is.

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    • Strike Four

      5 years ago

      He’s a $300-500M level talent. 2020 was supposed to be his big breakout season at the plate, he was claiming he had a mechanic issue all season that he fixed in recent months.

      That defense combined with an annual .900-1.000 OPS = $300-500 mill territory, definitely.

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      • Afk711

        5 years ago

        The fact you think he is worth 400-500 million further shows you need your head examined.

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      • Brixton

        5 years ago

        His age isnt going to make him eligible for anywhere near 300M even if the talent is there

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      • Vladguerrerojr20

        5 years ago

        Yea, there’s no way. If he were to reach free agency next year, he would easily bring back a 300m contract. But he won’t, he will reach free agency at 30. He will likely get 5-7 years at 25-35/year. Remember Machado was also considered a defensive wizard his whole career with Baltimore and reached free agency at 26. I would say he would get a Rendon type deal, even though he’ll be a bit older when he reaches FA, if he stays healthy.

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  6. Asfan0780

    5 years ago

    Unfortunately I say hes with the A’s for 2 or 3 years and its then they consider trading him. No reason olson and chapman should be lifetime A’s but of course I said that about tejada and Chavez too lol. Also boras is his agent so we know how that will end up

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    • arc89

      5 years ago

      He will be a $200 million player. He is a elite 3B and look what the elite 3B got this year. Boras will get somebody to over pay Chapman.

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      • Strike Four

        5 years ago

        Try $500M by the time he’s a FA.

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  7. hOsEbEeLiOn

    5 years ago

    Still wasted a draft pick on Kyler Murray.

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    • Get Off My Mound

      5 years ago

      Not what the article is about.

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      • hOsEbEeLiOn

        5 years ago

        Sure it is.

        A’s are trading Chapman in a few years much like they did Donaldson. They can’t compete with bidders for his services. As his arb numbers go up it increases the likelihood he will be traded for the cost efficient A’s.

        Nolan Gorman went off the board not that much later in 2018.

        Furthermore, because the A’s signed him they didn’t get the #10 pick in the 2019 draft as compensation. Brett Baty and Keoni Cavaco went a couple picks after #10 to the Mets and Twins.

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        • Get Off My Mound

          5 years ago

          Sure it doesnt.

          Nothing you said makes this article about Kyler Murray, as much as you want it to be.

          Boy I wish people would stick to the topics of the aforementioned article instead of finding some way to complain about something they spend way too much time being angry and spiteful about.

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        • hOsEbEeLiOn

          5 years ago

          Does the future of Matt Chapman not belong in an article about Matt Chapman? Oh it does? Cool.

          And did drafting Kyler Murray affect the A’s ability to draft a 3B? Yes. Twice in fact. Which is certainly a need in their system. They have a glut of INF guys at SS and 2B but really no answer for 3B.

          Course they could get a young 3B for Chapman much like they got Brett Lawrie in the Donaldson deal.

          Not being able to keep Chapman and the A’s not drafting a 3B to eventually replace him in 2018 and 2019 cause they chose Kyler Murray are tied together. They had #9 in 2018 and would have #10 in 2019 if they failed to sign #9 in 2018.

          Further more 2020 has been reduced to 5 rounds so that only compounds the issue going forward. A’s lose a year of Chapman and are limited in who they draft in 2020.

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    • sherlock_

      5 years ago

      That’s what I was thinking, but let’s focus on the good things today…

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    • Strike Four

      5 years ago

      Wasn’t a waste, Murray is still better at baseball than most.

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      • AssumeFactsNotInEvidence

        5 years ago

        Wasn’t a waste because Strike Four can stroke himself to Kyler Murray playing QB for the Arizona Cardinals!

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        • arc89

          5 years ago

          It was a on ein a million chance for Muarry to be the Heisman candidate. Not 1 NCAA football expert picked him for the Heisman trophy. He was a back up college QB when the A’s drafted him. The mistake they made was letting him have a out clause on his contract. Should have been a must play ball contract. A’s could have actually sued the NFL and Muarry but took the high road.

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        • AssumeFactsNotInEvidence

          5 years ago

          Arc homer! Arc homer!!

          Please stop the mouth flatulence. The A’s could’ve sued to recoup the part of the bonus that they already paid to Kyler. That’s it.

          Their mistake was drafting a football player who was insisting on playing football with the 7th pick. No shocker why other teams past on him that early. You play with fire, you get burned.

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      • DarkSide830

        5 years ago

        the only reason he fell even to 7 was the football commitment. A’s probably shouldve expected him to leave for the NFL given his football talent.

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  8. hammertime510

    5 years ago

    Dudes glove is miraculous. I’d say he’s the best third baseman, maybe a HOF if he keeps it up.

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  9. Green&GoldFan

    5 years ago

    Watching him, he is a highlight reel at third base daily. I saw something special in him when he was a rookie in 2017 and got into it with Angels catcher Juan Graterol. Graterol was accusing the A’s of stealing signs from second base in previous games. Chapman stepped to the plate and told him they were not, argument ensued and Chapman was tossed. He has soft skills as being a leader by example as he works as hard as anyone in the game. He is a treat to watch as a fan. The good part is that he is still developing into a better player with his work ethic and MLB experience. Two platinum gloves in a row is nothing to sneeze at.

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    • Strike Four

      5 years ago

      Matt Chapman is going to go to the HOF if he stays healthy, for sure. His defense has never been seen before. FFS he mostly plays out of SS and STILL makes plays hit down the 3B line in the shift!

      Ozzie Smith, Andrelton Simmons, Brooks Robinson, Matt Chapman = top 4 INF defenders all-time

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      • DarkSide830

        5 years ago

        Chapman has played all of three years. putting him as a top-4 defender already is crazy, even if he’s on that pace.

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  10. californiaangels

    5 years ago

    13 HRs in the Big West is HUGE! Tulo,Longoria, Kris Davis, Hiura, Danny Espinosa, Kurt Suzuki, Jeff McNeil, all played Big West baseball and they didnt hit 13 HRs. they are HUGE ballparks, and also is very pitcher heavy.

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    • Anthony Franco

      5 years ago

      To be clear, Chapman’s career home run total in college was 13 (his career high was six). Of the guys you mentioned, only Espinosa and McNeil (who I wouldn’t consider power hitters, although McNeil’s fantastic overall) didn’t get to 13 for their careers. Davis and Suzuki each hit more than 13 their junior seasons alone.

      It’s absolutely a pitcher-friendly league and Fullerton’s a small-ball school, you’re right. But even by those standards, Chapman wasn’t exactly a masher.

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      • californiaangels

        5 years ago

        honeslty didnt look up stats from then but just assumed , but was just trying to prove a point about that league lol. I remember being a little kid watching tulo and Longo and weaver , and can maybe remember a couple HRs ever at Blair (LB St.) always some good players coming from the dinky underrated big west!!

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    • Strike Four

      5 years ago

      It’s pretty much nonsense and anti-West Coast bias as to why Chapman wasn’t ever viewed as a blue-chip prospect. West coast colleges get biased against too.

      Post college, he’s a 1st rounder who’s tools were elite defense, power and drawing walks – those are like the 3 most important tools. He should have always been a top 50 prospect no matter what his stats in the minors (and those were good too). Did his low batting average seriously play a part in this? That’s like the most volatile tool, BABIP literally proves its luck-driven.

      Chapman’s lower-than-it-should-of-been prospect profile can’t be anything other than dumb, old school scouting mixed with coastal bias.

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      • AssumeFactsNotInEvidence

        5 years ago

        BABIP literally proves it’s luck driven???

        Please, do tell us more, oh wise BS spewer!

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  11. jeterleader

    5 years ago

    Happy mother’s day

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  12. Backatitagain

    5 years ago

    Would love to have Chapman on my team. Great player. Great pick by As. Braves have four first round picks from 2014. I would trade all four for Chapman (Newcomb Toussaint Jackson Davidson and maybe a fifth).

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  13. dynamite drop in monty

    5 years ago

    Devers is better

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    • Strike Four

      5 years ago

      Not even on the same planet, and Devers is very good.

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    • lannibal2000

      5 years ago

      Devers is in no way better or on the same level as Chapman.

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    • pinstripes17

      5 years ago

      devers isn’t even on the same planet as chapman.

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    • Get Off My Mound

      5 years ago

      Lol, not even close dude. Take off your BoSox bias shaders.

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  14. iron

    5 years ago

    I have no problem that they picked the player they wanted, but if the consensus was that he was more likely a 3rd round pick, I believe that it would have made more sense to take a stab at a more highly rated 1st round talent, then go on to pick Chapman with their 2nd round pick. Also, only the Reds selected a 3B between the 2 picks…

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  15. DarkSide830

    5 years ago

    very good player, but gets way too much play in these comment sections.

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    • Strike Four

      5 years ago

      Maybe watch his highlight reels sometime and join us. He really is THAT good.

      MLB is so bad at marketing, if this was the 80s he’d be a household name and celebrity, like they did with Ozzie Smith, by now

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      • DarkSide830

        5 years ago

        and that’s the problem. Ozzie was a very good player too, but also got too much credit because his plays were flashy. if Ozzie simply didnt do flips then he would have been just another guy who eventually gets into the hall but needs a few ballots for it. (like Omar Vizquel, who was clearly a better player in every way but simply wasnt as “exciting) t
        the point is he doesnt need marketing when its clear by these comment sections that almost every fan thinks he is a top-5 player in the game.

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        • mlb1225

          5 years ago

          Ozzie also was a below average batter in his career. Chapman has the 4th highest wRC+ among all third basemen.

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        • lannibal2000

          5 years ago

          Chapman is 1 of only 3 players in the history of the game to have 2 full seasons of 8+ bWAR in their first 3 full seasons. One of the other guys is Mike Trout. What Chapman is doing to start his career is nothing short of historic.

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        • DarkSide830

          5 years ago

          thats because WAR overvalues D.

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        • DarkSide830

          5 years ago

          well its not my fault for being the one to make the comparison

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  16. CowboysoldierFTW

    5 years ago

    Solid power,can draw a walk and has a platinum glove? Yes please.

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  17. BPax

    5 years ago

    Young draftees right out of high school or college are notoriously difficult to predict in professional baseball. The years of seasoning they need. The injuries in those minor league years. There are so many first rounders and other high picks that never pan out. How many teams passed on Mike Trout? Us Mariner fans watched two really high picks, Dustin Ackley (2nd pick after Strasburg) and Mike Zunino (3rd pick after Carlos Correa & Byron Buxton) flame out or disappoint. We drafted Danny Hultzen 2nd overall in 2011 behind Gerrit Cole. Arm troubles derailed Hultzen. (Gee, I wonder why we suck?) The list goes on and not just for the M’s. Chapman’s story is quite common actually. I get to see him in our division more often than I would like.

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  18. Afk711

    5 years ago

    He paid off. But the A’s draft gamble who didn’t = Kyler Murray

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    • arc89

      5 years ago

      Are you telling me that you picked Murray a back up college QB to win the Heisman trophy? Nobody did they thought he would play QB and go into the MLB.

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      • Afk711

        5 years ago

        Where did I say any of that. It was definitly a gamble and it didn’t work. On MLB network during draft night they said don’t expect Murray to be drafted high

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      • DarkSide830

        5 years ago

        even if he didnt win the Heisman he still had a good shot of going to the NFL. most draft evaluators mentioned this in their profiles of Murray. i actually think, on spite of the talent, most were shocked to see someone take a risk on him that high in the draft.

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      • AssumeFactsNotInEvidence

        5 years ago

        They took a kid who loved football. And stop with this backup QB crap. Your argument is so biased it’s ridiculous.

        No other team was going to take him that high because it was a massive gamble. He was going to be the starting QB for the Oklahoma Sooners. They’re a pretty good program if you weren’t aware. That backup QB crap is a pile of crap. He was the#1 pick in the NFL draft’s backup QB.. Everyone knew he was going to be OU’s starting QB next year, including your GM. So let’s stop trying to frame the argument in that direction.

        He ended up with the best case scenario for himself as a football player. But don’t sit here and say that Murray going to the NFL wasn’t a distinct possibility when Beane made that gamble.

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  19. bigwestbaseball

    5 years ago

    Cal State Fullerton Titans! Along with JD Davis of the Mets (Houston was stupid to trade him), Michael Lorenzen of the Reds and Chad Wallach of the Marlins. How did they not win the College World Series. The best player on that team was a small shortstop by the name of Richie Pedroza, how he did not end up in MLB? He plays in the Mexican league. Everyone of them were approachable and very nice. Awesome team, awesome memories!

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  20. Eatdust666

    5 years ago

    Slugging Percentage AND On Base Percentage, can be flip flopped either way > Batting Average, deal with it Batting Average nut huggers.

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  21. ChangedName

    5 years ago

    Wonder if the juiced ball era should have more of an impact on how prospects are scouted if offensive production can suddenly shoot up once a player makes it to the big leagues as it did for Chapman.

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  22. bigrman

    5 years ago

    I would call him underrated on a national level and attribute most of that to just the team he plays for. Yes he’s made the playoffs twice but for a total of 2 games. In the baseball world, I would say he is fairly rated. He’s been great so far on defense, and good offensively and from what I’ve seen getting better. But anyone on here ready to proclaim him a HOFer. He could have the 3 best years anyone has had to start a career and still not make the hall. That’s earned over the course of many excellent seasons (or 7 historic seasons like Trout). Also, he’s not getting $300-$500 million on the open market. No 3rd baseman is getting that unless they bring something such as national notoriety to a team that needs, such as Machado to the Padres. But considering that Chapman doesn’t currently have that, and will likely not have that as a member of the A’s, that’s not happening.

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    • DarkSide830

      5 years ago

      i mean he may get less play on national boradcasts but he’s talked up like crazy here. with how much people here live him it would be hard for TV sports programs to match that level of obsession.

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  23. bigrman

    5 years ago

    Yes but I think that will prevent him from commanding the type of money people on here have suggested. He’s not a top 5 player, I would say more 12-15, and when the number 1 player sets the market he’s not the type to beat it. Age and national notoriety I don’t think would push it. He’s loved on here because overall he’s underrated, but a lot of the love on here for him is a bit much right now.

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    • lannibal2000

      5 years ago

      Please tell me someone in the game that has matched his overall performance since he came in the league? He’s had back to back MVP worthy seasons according to WAR along with back to back platinum gloves. I think it’s more of a lack of understanding for how good he is as an overall player with most people when they try to say he’s not something that he clearly is.

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