9:25pm: Philadelphia will also receive a player to be named later or more cash from Boston, Matt Gelb of The Athletic tweets.
8:14pm: The Phillies and Red Sox have announced a trade that will send two veteran relievers – Brandon Workman and Heath Hembree – as well as $815K to Philadelphia in exchange for right-handers Nick Pivetta and Connor Seabold. That sum should enable the Phillies to stay under the luxury tax, Jim Salisbury of NBC Sports Philadelphia observes.
This deal has seemed inevitable since reports emerged Friday afternoon that the Phillies and Red Sox were in serious discussions regarding Workman and Hembree, who should improve a bullpen that has been horrific in 2020. Phillies relievers entered Friday with easily the league’s worst ERA (8.07) and the game’s 27th-ranked FIP (5.61). Worsening matters, they placed their most effective reliever, Jose Alvarez, on the 10-day injured list Friday after he took a 105 mph line drive off his groin on Thursday.
In Workman, the Phillies are getting a 32-year-old who, since last season, has struggled mightily with his control (5.63 BB/9) but has still found a way to handle opposing offenses. Dating back to 2019, Workman has logged a stingy 2.07 ERA/2.47 FIP with 12.87 K/9 and a 50 percent groundball rate over 78 1/3 innings. However, as a soon-to-be free agent, Workman may only amount to a few-week rental for a Philadelphia club that’s just 9-12 but still hoping to contend.
Hembree, 31, is on a prorated $1.61MM salary this season and still has another year of arbitration eligibility remaining. At his best, Hembree combined for 113 innings of 3.19 ERA/3.68 FIP ball with 9.32 K/9 and 2.79 BB/9 from 2016-17. His numbers have dipped since then, though a four-run blowup in his final Boston appearance Tuesday against, of all teams, Philadelphia has played a big part in that. He was off to an effective start before then, but now owns a lackluster 5.59 ERA through 9 2/3 innings this year. Hembree has, however, notched 10 strikeouts against three walks.
With the Red Sox well out of contention this year, it made sense for the club to part with a pair of 30-something relievers for a couple pitchers who could have a greater long-term impact on their roster. For now, Pivetta and Seabold will report to their alternate training site.
The 27-year-old Pivetta was a swingman in Philadelphia from 2017-20, during which he stumbled to a 5.50 ERA across 396 1/3 frames. FIP (4.64), xFIP (4.03) and SIERA (4.10) suggest he has deserved better, but the Phillies clearly got tired of waiting on his run prevention to head in the right direction. And Pivetta sealed his fate with the club this year by opening with three relief appearances in which he yielded a whopping 10 earned runs on 10 hits (including three homers) in 5 2/3 innings. The good news for Boston is that Pivetta isn’t costly – he’s on a minimum salary this year and will go through the first of three potential arbitration trips during the offseason – so there’s not much risk on the club’s end in taking on Pivetta as a reclamation project.
Seabold, the lone player in this trade who hasn’t reached the majors, became a pro when the Phillies chose him in the third round of the 2017 draft. He reached Double-A for the first time in 2019, and though an oblique injury held him to 40 innings, Seabold turned in excellent numbers in that span. The 24-year-old posted a 2.25 ERA/2.77 FIP and recorded 8.1 K/9 and 2.25 BB/9 in his first try at the level. Before Philly shipped him out, Seabold ranked as the team’s 23rd-best prospect at MLB.com, which suggests he could turn into a back-end starter in the majors.
Alex Speier of the Boston Globe first reported the teams were finalizing the trade. Robert Murray reported the deal was done. Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reported the cash sum Philly received. Photo courtesy of USA Today Sports Images.
First big one of the season. Let’s see who goes to Boston.
Good for the Phillies that they acquired Workman and Hembree.
I’m a bit shocked the sox haven’t acquired a reliable starter to go with Evolidi
Sending Kingery back the other way?
That would actually work.
That’d be way more than what I’m expecting from the deal
No chance that Kingery was ever on the table for Workman and Hembree. Even the worst upper management wouldn’t give up on Kingery so quickly for such a return.
The Phillies value Kingery more than to use him to acquire a rental relief pitcher. Your expectations were to high.
Sixto better be in the deal…
Sixto is on the Marlins so it seems unlikely.
Sixto is in Miami
Sixto is a marlin so unless it’s a three way deal that’s not happening lol
You’re way behind if you thought Sixto was still in Philly.
…and even further behind if he thought Hembree and Workman would be nearly enough for a prospect of Sixto’s caliber.
@holycow. I was going to say the same thing. Even if Sixto were still a Phillie, he wouldn’t be moved for this. Expectations are way, way to high.
LOL
I hear sevento is available,however
All trades this year should be contingent on the season finishing.
With the playoff TV money I feel pretty good about the season finishing.
Load up for the future with young controllable talent.
Because the present is bleak.
Workman should really help.
Phillies were desperate for bullpen help and I’m sure there was a solid market for Workman and Hembree considering Hembree comes with an extra year of control. I think they gave up something of significance.
i doubt it.
You were right, not much, surprised the Red Sox felt compelled to move one of their biggest trade chips for that.
Probably not gunna be a big market this year due to the uncertainty of it all, so teams wont pay that much. Workman is gone at the end of the year, so might just get something for him.
I like the trade for both teams. Decent prospect. I can see him as a starter in the show. Every team can use another reliever but lots available this year. Royals and giants may have enough for everyone. Values will be lower this year. No fans means no extra $. Part of making deals is for public relations, get some hope and excitement and sell some extra tickets.
Workman, with his nasty curve is a nice pickup, but I’m down on Hembree since he got that tired arm and minor injury mid season 2019. He always has/had trouble vs lefties, but he no longer touches 96-7mph and no longer sits 94-5mph either. Will see him as low as 91-2 a few pitches and he is a guy that needs every mph of velocity, especially vs lefties when only other pitch he’s got that works well is the slider.
John,
Workman walks too many and needs to throw too many pitches to be dependable. Reminds me of what the Sox recently went through with Kimbrel (without that high of a ceiling), Kelly and still with Barnes. On, you can win a championship but if they’re mostly not spot on, no chance. I’m looking forward to three years from now to compare the regime’s of the various GMs going back 20 years. If CB can win AND develop a player pipeline, he’ll move ahead of at least DD.
Anybody can move ahead of DD. Any arm chair GM on here can trade away top prospects and spend 200 to 300 million on players and have success.I can give a guy a hundred million and not worry about a huge loss in velocity. Long as it’s not my $. Would of been way more interesting to see what he would of done with those huge contracts to injured or over the hill players. Wish they still had DD. Soon to be hall of fame GM.
Lovin, aside from moncada who was the needed price to get Sale, a cheap, controllable, super talented SP at the time, who did DD trade away that amounted to anything?
DD’s skill was in picking what guys to keep that were promoted, and which to let go in trades.
I think he did a better job at that than most. As far as money goes, yes, he burns it.
DD has done what few others have accomplished. Won leading two separate clubs and taken a third to the WS. Not too shabby.
Ownership approved or dictated all financial moves including those before DD.
I never thought about it and not going to research it. Majority of prospects don’t pan out and the idea is to find trade partners who like your guys better than you do. I was just saying in general it doesn’t impress me much what the huge payroll teams do. Not picking on the Sox. But just an example they have more money tied up in bad contracts then the rays do in entire payroll. Pedoria bad, sale terrible, panda there is no words to describe. Should of let jbj walk. Price. Sale trade was great, just don’t resign him. Maybe no championship without price, still bad contact. Nice to be able to afford these mistakes. And it’s 100 percent on owners. They picked DD. They oversee it all. Just more impressive seeing what the cheap/poor teams do even though they don’t do enough to win it all but I think that will change in next 10 years. Have a few lower payroll and or smaller market teams win.
Seabold is a nice BOTR arm, Pivetta is a project.
Phillies get relievers.
Fun all around
Hembree is controllable next year in his final Arb.
Workman is a short term rental, but a quality one.
Seems a fair deal.
Seabold looks more like a solid #3 starter to me. Good ERA/FIP, low WHIP and a nice K/9 to build off of. The only challenge is that the Sox will need to help him finish his development and this is not a strong suit for the Red Sox coaching staff.
Seabold was old for every league he played in last year, so take all those numbers with a grain of salt. What he is a guy with plus control and a good curveball. A 1 pitch guy typically can’t stick in a rotation so I have doubts he is even a starter long term more-or-less a 3 starter. Maybe you have a lower standard for a good rotation than most, but he strikes me as a sure bet to be a low leverage reliever and if the move to the pen gives him a significant velo boost, may wind up a high leverage with a chance to close, but that’s a big IF.
Have you seen the Phillies bullpen? Workman and Hembree are the best two arms in there until we get some guys back from injury.
23 isn’t old for AA.
Seabold must be something special because Pivetta definitely isn’t, but then again the Sox are desperate for SPs.
Give Bloom the benefit based on his ability to find gems in the rough.
What gem in the rough has he found? I haven’t seen it yet.
Give it time.
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.
Peraza is such a gem, and all those dozens of other pickups and waiver claims worked out.
Meanwhile, for $2m he could’ve grabbed folty for free. That makes more sense than the cash he’s shelled out on other guys.
I still say he’s sticking to cheap damaged goods in ultra high volume because he doesn’t know how to cherry pick them. Anyone can hit on one of 100 pickups. You prove your worth when you hit on one of 5-10, that shows you know what you’re looking for.
I’m looking back at his Tampa days. Every team in my book gets a pass this year but especially CB whose primary goal was getting under the threshold.
I am not going to get down on Bloom just yet. He helped build Tampa Bay into a contender with one of the best farm systems in the league with a small market budget. I think he knows what he is doing.
Sadly, Pivetta becomes their number 3 immediately
That fact alone is enough to turn any Sox fan’s hair white overnight without even seeing him take the mound. Get ready to witness a whole different level of fugly, Sox Nation.
You say new level of fugly. I say next step in bloom’s role as a mole planted in Boston by TB to hold the team down… well, maybe im just joking. Mostly.
I wish them both good luck!
Decent deal for both teams. Pivetta stinks but has good stuff. Maybe Boston can fix him.
Pivetta sucks, never an ERA below 4.77! in 4 years with Philadelphia! Another great deal Bloom!!!
I mean Bloom didn’t give up much either. Workman was gone at the end of the season. Worth a gamble on Pivetta figuring it out.
No idea what the market looked like. Getting a controllable reliever in Seabold and a lottery ticket in Pivetta is about what you would expect for a rental reliever
I think you got those names backwards. Seabold is the lottery ticket because he has never pitched above AA. You don’t know what you are getting. Pivetta is the controllable reliever, not a good one in Philly, but a change of scenery couldn’t hurt.
Phillies fans should be happy one of their big teases is gone.
I like Workman, but he’s on a 1 year contract. Hembree is okay, but I really like Seabold. I think he’s a future 3. He hasn’t missed a beat through the minor leagues.
Thing is if RS are so inclined they can make Work an offer in the off-season, after his fling with the Phillies.
Agree on Seabold. Way better than Phillies 23rd prospect or whatever these websites say. Why aren’t the Yankees paying these website guys? You, me, and Chaim know what we are doing.
Pivetta is an intriguing add always liked his stuff but he’s rarely had success.
Rarely=never. But he has good stuff. Maybe a better coach can fix him.
Not sure Boston has the coaches to “fix” most guys. They’re not known for pitching development and bloom hasn’t made much noise shaking up the dept.
Boston historically does well with hitters/fielders, but, not so much else. Tek has put in work with the catching corps, as did former veteran mentors, but pitching development has been an enigma.
Spot on, AtlSoxFan. Pivetta will be a disaster here in Boston and will probably be cut sometime in 2021. Seabold seems to have some potential but the Sox can’t develop pitchers at all. They finally got some decent pitching coaches at the A level (and the results have been great) but the coaching talent falls off at AA & AAA. I hope Chaim re-evaluates the farm system development staffs and makes the necessary changes in the off season. Sox are going to need their young pitchers to step up next year in a big way if they want to be competitive.
It sounds like Boston and Philly are in the same pit of misery in terms of their farm
They have hit on a few occasions as far as reclamation projects and turning them into quality MLB pitchers. 2 this decade can name off right away are Andrew Miller and Rich Hill and remember.. They turned discarded (to them) Andrew Miller’s last half year of club control into Eduardo Rodriquez..
I include Brock Holt who was not their primary target in that trade with the Pirates.
Brock Holt was a solid useful player with the Red Sox just got a DFA from the Brewers. Peraza may not be great, but he is better than Holt as I must have posted 25 times as fans were whining about how the Red Sox should have resigned Holt.
Peraza is definitely NOT better than Holt. Being clutch takes talent. Being clutch in a big market can’t be understated. Solely because he produced in Boston and is not done (imagine if the Sox gave up on Pedie one month in back in 06), it was in my view a no brained to have kept Holt.
No brainer.
Hey Bloom remember we have what other teams want! That means you have the hammer not them. Make better deals when you have them over the barrell!
No one is gunna give up the farm for Workman. You are delusional if you think you could have gotten a significantly better deal from anyone else.
Al34 – is delusional and complains all the time….I quit read Al34 posts…..
So who’s next Martinez, Bradley, Moreland?
Vazquez is the best trade chip the Redsox have right now.
Vaz isn’t going anywhere. They’ve got him on a decent price with no real guy waiting in the wings. Connor Wong’s too far out to consider that move.
He is on a team-friendly deal and is an above average catcher. The replacement cost would negate anything you would get in return.
In other words… Trading Vaz makes No Baseball Sense.
Never say never. Always depends on the return, those in the pipeline, other possible trades and really when ownership sees the next championship possibility. If you believe you want to extend him and can, this off season would be the best time but if you don’t expect to resign him, now and this off season will be the best time to trade him.
It wouldn’t make sense to trade Vazquez for the Sox. Not to mention he’s now a 30 year old catcher. Which typically means he’ll be in a downward trend. Not sure they’d get more than what he can offer the team.
Their best trade chip is probably Bogaerts. He’s an average/slightly above average fielder and if he continues to hit like he did last year is a solid contract for the next several years.
He has a full no trade clause that kicks in the first part of September so if they want a haul now would be the time.
I’d hate to see it but he’d be the one guy that could help the depleted farm system.
Fans will go nuts if Xman is traded. To me, I’d trade Devers first who will command more back due to his salary and then plan on moving Xman to 3B in a few years if need be.
Moreland could be. I doubt Bradley goes somewhere unless someones desperate for a defense only center fielder. JBJ is crap at the plate and the league knows it by now. The one guy I could see moving next though is possibly Pillar. He’s played pretty well in Boston and he’s on a 1 year deal, so wherever he goes isn’t saddled with a long term, regretable contract.
JBJ will not bring anything of significance back but despite his inconsistency at the plate, teams will remember not only his glove/arm but also his big hits in the AL playoffs in 18.
Moreland and pillar are probably next. Of the two, I’d think pillar sees more demand
Atl – Moreland’s market is a left handed part-time 1B / DH with power.
Pillar – is a right handed everyday outfielder
There markets are different, so it depends on the acquiring teams need, but I agree they will both be gone by Sept 1.
Less than six weeks left. Even last year Workman gave fans headaches on the mound with his wildness. Barnes might be next. Bloom’s ability to get unexpected talent while in Tampa speaks volumes. What trades can you say he clearly lost while at the helm in FL?
Actually, quite a few (Span, Colome, Odorizzi just off the top of my head. He got nothing for any of them). But they were all money motivated per order of cheapo owner. In terms of strict baseball deals, he’s won more than his share.
Thanks Bob, I’ll review those shortly but remember also, some trades he made were based in large part on financial needs like this year with Betts and Price. He won’t be worrying about that next year. In Tampa it was always about getting back young cheap. With the farm getting replenished, I’m looking forward to see his vision when he’s able to again take on payroll. Under Cherington, ownership panicked and excessively spent on Hanley and Panda. After the 18 WS, the team with DD overspent on Eovaldi and last year prematurely resigned Sale, both with injury histories.
“over the barrel”? come on man, we are talking about a rental reliever in a shortened season and an average arm in Hembree. As a homer you’re naturally gonna over-value your guys (I don’t wanna get rid of Seabold…), but let’s not act like all the teams are clamoring to trade talent for a month of work, man.
Privetta is awful and always has been. The Phillies fans are happy to get rid of him.
lol.. I’m a Sox fan too, but you can’t expect more than this. It gives you a starter that has 3 Arb years left and a minor leaguer for a rental of Work and 1 Arb year of Hembree.
And if the RS think Work is a big loss as you do…they can sign him as a FA this off-season…
same as they would have had to do anyway.
Al34 – you must have hated 2018…..nothing to complain about……
I like to compete every year but this year the pitching talent on this team was abysmal and Bloom knew it. If you are going to trade Mookie Betts which will haunt them for years get pitching help
Betts was never going to stay !!!!!! What the Red Sox got was better than a 4th round pick!
He would have stayed if the sox were willing to pay him. That said you’d hope fora better return for Betts. As for AL34, the Betts trade happened pre Sale tommy john and pre corona. Hindsight is always 2o20 but not much Bloom could do about that
you’d hope fora better return for Betts
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They got 5 years of a guy currently having a .892 OPS, plus ~ #50, plus a lottery ticket.
One could argue that the RS got more for one year of Betts than they gave up for three years of Sale.
I don’t understand this deal for Boston. I mean, 1 ok prospect…. but you definitely could have squeezed more out of philly with their bullpen troubles. Pivetta stinks… and I know Boston’s rotation is rough but this just isn’t the best deal.
You’re not getting much for 30 or so games of Workman and Hembree is mediocre. I think Boston did ok here.
Agreed, an eye for an eye but we get younger
For one, bloom has shown to be weak in trades. He’s got this complex about fixing guys and thinks he needs to prove he can take damaged goods and turn them into some thing that it seems he gears his asks of other clubs around damaged pieces.
At least he got arms for the first time.
For two, I think he did ok. Remember workman hasn’t shown his usual talent yet, and, we’re almost halfway though the “season”.
It’s about what I expected. A lottery ticket and a middling minor prospect.
AtlSoxFan, where is Bloom’s shown weakness? He pulled the trigger before Philly turned elsewhere. With each reliever they gave up, the Six rolled the dice every time they took the mound.
Weak Bloom trades? Which ones? He hasn’t made many trades. The Red Sox were not going to get a huge return for one year of Betts with the Dodgers taking on half of David Price’s contract. Bloom is doing pretty good in my opinion. This trade with the Phillies was pretty fair in my opinion. Actually, we need to see how things play out to know if trades are good or bad.
Take his involvement in some TB clunkers, and add to that the complete and utter disaster in bundling price with mookie.
Not only did he fail to extract a single arm from LAD’s stocked system, but, he also lowered the return.
You’d have gotten better sending mookie alone in one deal, then, trading price in a second. Paying down 16m off price’s deal made him cheaper than what market rate was last offseason. Meanwhile the return wasn’t exactly overwhelming.
Once mookie was gone you didn’t NEED to move price to get below CBT, and beyond that, bloom did squat with the extra flexibility it made so it isn’t like it was a move made with a plan in place moving forward.
As an aside, bloom didn’t even take steps to address the organizational shortcomings in development that keep them from helping turn around the types of reclamation projects he’s trying to accumilate. So even IF some guys HAD potential to tap, bloom did nothing to lay the groundwork to be able to do it.
It’s like ordering a pile of trim, cabinets, and carpets to a job site where the foundation isn’t even dug yet. It’ll just sit and molder.
Your trying to rewrite the past. If CB’s body of work wasn’t top shelf, he wouldn’t today be in Boston. Ownership knows they have to spend to keep eyeballs on NESN. That was why they spent on Hanley and Panda after last place finishes in 14 and 15. As to the Tampa trades, they were usually forced on him by ownership to keep payroll down. You’re never going to win all trades when you are driven by payroll concerns. Finally, I disagree on the Dodgers trade. Without Price, you were probably looking at just AV in return. No team was then giving back a Jeter Downes type prospect for Price even at 50% payroll cost. It’s still a lot of money and most teams did not have that flexibility when the trade went down. Add in injury concerns on Price and the inclusion of Connor Wong and Bloom did just fine. We fans want every trade to be one sided but don’t you think Bloom explored alternative trades before pulling the trigger?
What are you talking about? He’s made only one real trade, and I am pretty happy with it. Verdugo’s OPS is almost .900. 5 years of that is way more valuable than one year of Betts, and that doesn’t even include Jeter and Wong.
Good deal. Now let’s see Mitch Moreland to the Braves, JD Martinez to the Padres, and Matt Barnes to the Cubs.
Keep and try to extend JDM. Hitters like him do not come along often and his ability to lead was shown in 18 when he was the real MVP.
Looie, JDM looks rough without in-game footage to look at his swing. He hasn’t shown his usual talent.
He’s also getting older, has foot issues, and has 2 more years at about 19m per.
I wouldn’t want him for more than that.
I’ve been saying the market is risky and I don’t expect him to opt out in November. I’d go to him and offer an additional year at the same money plus a TEAM option after that in exchange for him giving up his option years. Yes he has health risks but I throw out the season so far for all players who have been as consistent as he has. To me, he if not Xman should be captain (or how about co-captains?).
“JDM looks rough without in-game footage to look at his swing” Actually that is his excuse. Players I do not believe can alter their swing drastically in a game. They live on being able to repeat their swing.
I think he needs the footage to be able to figure out the pitcher ala how he is tipping his pitches. Without that his batting average drops a 100 points.
That contract wouldn’t make sense. for Martinez. He’d be giving up his control and giving all to the team for the same amount of money.
But WHY looie? If he opts out you thank god. Nobody else is paying him 20m/yr right now, nobody.
If he doesn’t opt out, in 2 years nobody else wants to pay him 20m either.
So why not ride with it, leave the health risk with the player, and take what you’ve got.
Nelson Cruz would be cheaper without any big dropoff.
As far as captain? I vote xander 1st. Beyond xander, what’s wrong with sale? I’d have said pedey, but, it’s hard to put that C on a guy who is done and hasn’t played in years now. Must be insurance reasons for him to be around, otherwise I see him released this offseason so they gain the roster spot in the offseason when players can’t be on the IL.
“C” needs to be earned over time. A good season or two isn’t enough to earn that.
For a guaranteed extra year, possibly two. Itv could take years for sports to get back to where they were before the pandemic. Maybe not, but players who are at the age where traditionally are past prime years that can’t play the field are extra risky. Just my take.
I can’t see Pedey’s career ending in being released. Even without insurance, they’ll work it out where he joins management in some capacity.
As to JDM, I just feel hes a great clubhouse presence and believe he has more to offer. Cruz has been amazing bit at his age, he can lose it in an instant. Plus, I’ll take guy that has already done it in Boston, which can be a rough place to play in.
JDM is getting paid what He should be. If he elects to stay, fine. If he opts out, I’m betting he gets less.
Someone still trying to build a case that JDM was the MVP over Mookie, lol
I’m both Looie and Dewey for those who haven’t figured it. I felt his leadership and bat allowed Mookie to relax at the plate. Obviously, Mookie’s defense added to his value but the Sox were such a different team in 18 and that difference was JDM.
V7w5 – where do you place pillar?
Padres are strapped. They aren’t taking on any $ unless Myers is going the other way. Pillar to Cle. But I would of got Dickerson last year so who knows what they will do.
Not a terrible trade all around. Hembree can be decent over small stretches, and Workman has turned into a good late-inning guy, so the Phils are getting a good return for a promising prospect in Seabold and a rotation guy they didn’t need but one that Boston could use even though he’s not great. He’ll fit right in, lol.
Phillies get a temporary closer in Workman, since Neris has struggled so much thus far. Hembree isn’t spectacular, but he’s a solid middle reliever that can provide steady innings in a dismal bullpen.
Seabold has flashed potential in the minors and will bolster a shoddy farm system as a potential middle of the rotation starter. Pivetta’s been atrocious, but has promising tools to work with. Perhaps a patient and studious coach can unlock his upside
Phils are trading for any bullpen arms that aren’t nailed down.
annoyed Seabold was part of it but Pivetta is gone! yes!
wow… we’re really gonna miss Pivetta.
I’m glad Pivetta is gone, what can they get for Velasquez?
@ht apparently 2 30 something relievers as long as they throw in a decent pitching prospect.
Simply getting rid of Pivetta is a victory for the Phils.
I may have to reconsider my allegiance to the Phillies if Boston turns Pivetta into a serviceable pitcher.
great pickup for the phillies, these 2 will fit in because they are both garbage
I can’t tell if you’re talking about the Red Sox or Phillies with the latter part of your statement.
phillies
Preller where u at bro
Probably tweaking his “personal value list” of the farmhand that he won’t move off of to get a deal done, which, ultimately prevents deals from happening.
People forget Workman was untouchable in 13 postseason.
That’s a long time ago.
I know but its very much overlooked. No one remembers that about him.
The Phillies are a hot mess. They can’t pitch or field.
They were a top five fielding team going into the doubleheader against Toronto.
Fielding only gets you outs if the pitcher makes them fieldable.
I really hope Seabold has some serious upside because Pivetta might actually be the worst pitcher on the Red Sox staff right now and that’s saying a lot with the likes of Matt Hall, Osich, etc. already on the roster!
Pivetta has more potential than all those guys haven’t we seen teams get the best out of a player that another team couldn’t before. Something to hope for Dorothy.
Agree. Pivetta was a highly rated prospect. Not top 100 but a top 10 or 15 in tye farm Had great stuff. Minor league success. But the prospect is no joke. Ranked too low. He can be a starter in bigs. Somebody is wrong. You don’t trade 2 in demand relievers for the 23rd ranked prospect on a team with a weak farm and a scrap heap guy. Either Chaim is clueless or these websites are a joke.
Seabold is good, Pivetta sucks. trust me on this.
I agree 100 percent. When you have relievers who are in demand, get something better than these two guys. Bloom, this is not Tampa Bay but a big market team here!
Is there anything more you hate on Bloom AL.
Seems pretty fair all around. My only question is the timing, and I say that expecting a VERY active trade market next week. And, as Ken Rosenthall notes, with 24 teams having playoff dreams dancing in their heads, it should be a seller’s market.
I can’t see Sox trading any of the core, and JD’s contract is obviously an issue. Sox fans can expect a lot of lateral moves like this one.
24 teams may have playoff dreams, but overpaying in a shortened season is unlikely to happen. I’m waiting to see how many rentals don’t get moved because of teams asking too much.
Agreed. I think it’s more of a buyer’s market. As an aside, MLB will be embarrassing itself if they give out championship rings and raise a banner in 21.
Why? Sure it’s less games, but actually a higher degree of difficulty than a normal year.
The beauty of baseball has been games almost every day for half a yea. Making it a sprint even with more playoff games changes how you would have built your roster if you could have adjusted it. Many players burn out by August and who wins in October might be more based on injuries and who opted out. Just not a real season to me.
Having 24 teams with playoff dreams may be a problem. That only leaves 6 teams to supply them.
I can’t see Martinez going anywhere, either.
I like it. I always liked Pivetta, though he’s never lived up to his potential. Maybe a change of scenery will help, or being made a permanent part of the BP.
And Seabold has shown some good results. I’m impressed with the AZFL results. 22/3 K/W is pretty decent at that level.
Still 10 days to move JDM, Moreland and Barnes, maybe JBJ and/or Pillar. JDM is finally starting to hit, Barnes is now our closer. For a team with such a bad record, we could still re-coup some value from this disaster.
JD will never opt-out of $19.35 million for 2021 and 2022, so he will be tough to trade as any team taking him will need to be ready to pay $40 million over 2+ years.
If he keeps hitting well he won’t be tough to trade.
I think its possible for an on the cusp team, say maybe a return to Arizona?
I am ok with the return a prospect with upside in Seabold and a reclamation project in Pivetta.
While I understand that Workman and Hembree are nothing special in terms of trade value, I don’t understand this from Boston’s viewpoint. Pivetta has had no MLB success, is 27 and becomes arbitration eligible after this year. Connor Seabold is 24, with mediocre stuff and has never been ranked in the top 30 prospects of the Phillies organization, which ranks as one of the worst farm systems in baseball. I don’t see any upside potential here from the Bosox side, and a salary dump makes little sense given the players involved and the relatively small savings.
Seabold was the number 23 in the system.
Thanks for the correction.
Hopin we send more cash instead of a PTBNL.
As long as it’s one of chaims revolving door waiver claims I’m OK with it. Shouldnt be anyone from a recent draft, and there’s not much else in the system.
Not lucky enough for it to be peraza.
It will probably be minimal money or someone Boston will lose in the next Rule 5 draft that Philly likes and wants to protect.
Hoping we send more cash instead of a PTBNL.
my guess is it has something to do with how the rest of Philly’s deadline goes. Middleton has made it clear he intends to let Klentak make moves but not ones that put the team over the cap. if they add another guy they may say give us the cash.
Phillies just get more gas for their bullpen. Both are terrible. All this does is save the Boston front office some paperwork, LOL.
Boston trades two old gas cans for two young gas cans.
Hate this trade for the Phillies. Sebold and Pivetta may both still be something. Desperation move by the Phils. I wouldnt mortgage the future in any way to try to win with an average team in a short season, that most people will think of this season with an asterisk anyway when its over. I’ve been saying since February that there was no way Klentak would go into the season with that bullpen, but he did. Even when Seranthony went down, they did nothing. This is what they deserve for thinking it was ok.
Pivetta is garbage and was never going to succeed in Phily. He’s not a prospect or rookie anymore. He was given every opportunity and failed miserably in Philly. Another team could possibly fix him, but his time in Philly is over, and the Phillies did everything they could with him. I like the move.
It makes their pen better but not substationally better.
Also the Phillies lost a lot more than just Seranthony. They lost about 7 bullpen arms to injury. I don’t like Klentak, but there’s not a GM in baseball who could have fixed that.
The Sox get Seabold and Pivetta–if one can give them 3 innings each outing of 1 run I would be happy. The Sox have a few kids: Hart, Mata,&; Houck (rotation) and Feltman (as a closer type), they might get a spot opportunity if the Sox remain in last place.
If ERod, Eovaldi, Perez, Hart, Godley–is that good enough to open in 2021 until Sale returns(?)
Seabold, Houck, Mata in the wings.
I like the pen of Brewer, Valdez, Taylor, Darwinzon, Brasier, Brice, Barnes, maybe Weber.
Please don’t move Xander. Move Devers to 1 B and Install Dalbec @3 B or vice versa.
Don’t stop there Boston! Cleveland should bring back Clevinger and trade Plesac, a decent minor league arm, and a decent position player to the Red Sox for Eavaldi, Vazquez, Barnes, and cash (1/2 of Eavaldi’s salary would work). Boston is rebuilding and Cleveland needs pitching leadership and a front line catcher.
I’m thinking Boston would ask for Karinchak to be included in the deal because of the cash that would be sent with Eavaldi.
The Sox are under the cap and with no big free agent pitchers available in November (at least to my recollection), they are not eating 50% of NE’s contract. They don’t need to and who would replace him next year for $8m? One trade they included a lot of cash to get under the cap. Ratings on NESN are just as important to ownership and they will pay again once they reset the threshold. The difference is they won’t do it on impulse and if the players they believe they need aren’t available, they’ll wait.
Those are good points. The Red Sox are at least 2 years from contending again. That’s when Sale should be back to full health. Why not trade your assets when you can get something for them now? Then trade those assets for proven players in a few years?
Carrasco is their 5th worse ERA with a 3.71, and CL’s ERA has the best rotation ERA by far.
Good point. Why do you think Cleveland is so dysfunctional? Why haven’t they won a WS since 48 ?
They were poorly run for most of those 72 years. It’s only been the last 8 years that they have had a good GM AND a good manager. Even at that, it is still difficult for small market teams to win consistently.
They need veteran players and leadership. Their pitching staff is in desperate need of that. Look at the issues they’ve had the past 2 years
I cannot believe that they are still paying Pedroia. Ridiculous that he has not played since what 2018?
Barnes has problems closing games out two days in a row and Brasier has not been the same since 2018. They need a good starting pitcher maybe 2 and when is Pedroia’s contract expire
Pedroia ends next year.
I cannot believe that they are still paying Pedroia. Ridiculous that he has not played since what 2018?
Seriously Barnes better be next. He walks guys way too much also.
Good point. Barnes is not a closer. He’s a good setup man. Besides, Cleveland has Hand.
I’m thinking Boston would ask for Karinchak to be included in the deal because of the cash that would be sent with Eavaldi.
The RS are not getting Karinchak.
He probably could not handle the pressure in Boston and the East anyways
He’s had 13.2 professional innings. It would be impossible to know whether or not he can handle pressure.
That’s my point. Why would Cleveland place that much value on a pitcher with so little experience when they need leadership that veterans like NE, CV and BW can bring to the clubhouse immediately. They’ve all won a WS too
There are plenty of guys that have won a WS. I think it is overrated. Some are leaders, but I’d bet most are just talented players that were on the right team at the right time. I’m a RS fan, and I like Eovaldi, but I don’t think he’s some kind of inspirational character.