The Mets have already put a lot of focus on their rotation this winter, between retaining Marcus Stroman via the qualifying offer and adding Carlos Carrasco and Joey Lucchesi in trades. While Trevor Bauer’s name continues to loom over Citi Field, the Mets are also continuing to explore other hurlers. According to Russell Dorsey of the Chicago Sun-Times (via Twitter), New York had interest in right-hander Trevor Williams before Williams signed with the Cubs. The Mets were also among the teams present to watch Mike Foltynewicz during his recent throwing session, MLB Network’s Jon Heyman reports (via Twitter).
With Steven Matz recently dealt to the Blue Jays, the Mets’ projected starting four looks like Jacob deGrom, Carrasco, Stroman, and David Peterson. Lucchesi probably has the inside line on the fifth starter job for now, but the Mets aren’t short on other depth options in the upper minors, and Foltynewicz would provide another experienced candidate to either compete for a rotation spot or perhaps fit into the bullpen. Since Noah Syndergaard is expected to make a midseason return from Tommy John rehab, whomever fills the fifth starter role is ultimately keeping the seat warm for Syndergaard — barring the shake-up of a Bauer signing, that is.
More on some other free agent news…
- Aside from the Mets, Foltynewicz also drew interest from the Rays, White Sox, and Twins, Heyman writes. An All-Star with the Braves in 2018, Foltynewicz took a step back in 2019 and then pitched in only one game in 2020, resulting in his opting for free agency after being outrighted during the season. Given these recent struggles, “Folty” would very likely have to pitch his way into a rotation spot during Spring Training, yet it is easy to see why teams would have interest in the right-hander as a change of scenery candidate. The White Sox just re-signed Carlos Rodon, though considering Rodon has also had a tough time over the last two seasons, his presence wouldn’t necessarily rule out a potential deal between Foltynewicz and the Sox.
- The Cubs had interest in Jake Arrieta but a signing is “doubtful,” ESPN.com’s Jesse Rogers tweets, since the Cubs want a less-expensive option. Arrieta’s asking price can’t be all that high considering his middling results over the last two seasons, but perhaps the $2.5MM (with deferred money involved) the Cubs gave Williams is a better example of what the team is willing to spend.
- Trevor Rosenthal is the top reliever remaining on MLBTR’s list of the offseason’s top 50 free agents, and since the Twins are known to be looking for bullpen help, could the two sides link up? The Athletic’s Dan Hayes isn’t very optimistic, as Rosenthal’s asking price looks to be too high for Minnesota’s liking. The more money the Twins can save on relief pitching, the more they can then devote to a starting pitcher, but Hayes does think “they need relief certainty more than rotation certainty” at this point due to the rotation depth already on hand.
Loling @ you
Does anyone care? Idk understand why people consistently do this on posts….nothing of context or insight or thoughts on post. Just that your first!
Because he’s a moron.
I feel ya Tat. It’s like the novelty that never seems to get old. But, this is one of those things that will always happen because it just takes one person.
This is the first time I have ever agreed with Tatsumaki on something.
i like al conin
Eh, life’s short, I like it. It always gives me a smile when someone does it. Almost like a running joke/ tradition.
‘Come on man’, don’t upset him, it ‘made his day’. You know, small things and all that.
It’s the oldest joke on the internet.. Why does it bother y’all so much? Do you really come to the comment section for insight?
you cared enough to interject more “nothing of context or insight or thoughts on post”
Arrieta should get 7-8
IF he can get that… all the best to him. 2-3M is MORE than fair. He’s been largely mediocre since the 2nd-half of 2017.
7 or 8 Thousand per year maybe he should’ve stayed in Chicago in the first place lose Boris you to KB he will ruin your career like Jak,Zimmerman and plenty of others .
Who has been linked to Rosenthal? It’s been crickets regarding his market or what he’s looking to get money wise
The jays were the last ones linked to him.
Right? Curious what he’s asking for.
All jokes aside the bluejays
Amazed that Rosenthal is the top reliever remaining, when Colome is still out there. Better health history and results.
Colome doesn’t strike batters out. Rosenthal has much better stuff.
Colome has been way more consistent therefore a better pitcher.
The Padres beat reporter said that the team has had talks with him about re-signing, but I think he also said the fact they weren’t willing to pay Yates is probably an indicator that they’re ultimately probably not going to be willing to pay enough to sign Rosenthal.
He looked really good last year, I’d assume he gets two years, maybe something similar to what May or Treinan got?
The Phillies should sign Rosenthal.
Mets are everyone’s worst nightmare. Unlimited resources and elite talent. Next decade won’t be fun for the Met haters!
Maybe next year you’ll be able to write that and not incite a chuckle from anyone who reads it.
But until then, keep writing them funny notes!
MetsFan22, you just gave me chills. I need this. I’m a long suffering Mets and Knicks fan.
Well we had a good 60-year run.
Best comment of the day
They’re linked to Folty in this article. NO ONE is scared of that. Very far cry from Bauer, but yes; Mets had a good offseason. Going to be a fun year.
Lol! The Mets have exactly 3 decent starters. Going to need a lot more than that to compete for anything more than 3rd place in your division. Stroman also hasn’t pitched in 15 months so there is a question mark there. Peterson has exactly 49 innings of mediocre pitching to his name. A 4.52 FIP and 5.11 xFIP strongly suggest he will have major issues this year. In addition his 7.25 K/9 to 4.35 BB/9 also suggest massive mediocrity.
But seriously, I’ve seen your posts on this website for ages and I have to say you are easily one of the least informed posters on this website, so I’m not surprised you would say that. Get back to me when the Mets have a pitching staff.
If you think Degrom, Carrasco and Stroman are only “decent starters” then I have to question your ability to judge how informed someone else’s posts are. Barring injury or absolute disaster you know Degrom and Carrasco will be top end #1 and 2 starters. True, Stroman has not pitched in over a year, but he is not coming back from injury so his return to form is not so much in question. The Mets don’t need him to be their #1, he’ll be going against the middle of the opponent’s staff, so he’ll perform well enough. Perterson pitched well for a first year starter. As he enters his second year of course there is a danger of regression but there is always a chance he matches the production or even improves. That’s 4 starters right there that 90% of teams wish they could say they have going into the season.
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lol sign Folty and you guys will be unstoppable!…plz sign Folty, plz….its not a like a little time bomb or anything from Braves fans we promise 😉
So they’ve only been nightmares for their own fans.
Lol! The Mets have exactly 3 decent starters. Going to need a lot more than that to compete for anything more than 3rd place in your division. Stroman also hasn’t pitched in 15 months so there is a question mark there. Peterson has exactly 49 innings of mediocre pitching to his name. A 4.52 FIP and 5.11 xFIP strongly suggest he will have major issues this year. In addition, his 7.25 K/9 to 4.35 BB/9 also suggest massive mediocrity.
Seriously, though I’ve seen your posts here for a long time and you appear to have very little understanding of the sport so I am not terribly surprised by this comment.
Unlimited resources? They cheated out on Springer, they cheated out and misread Realnuto’s market abs could have had the best catcher in the league instead of a 30 year old with a career ops under .700.
I agree a page has been turned, but maybe hold off on declaring victory until they’ve actually won something.
No one is afraid of the Mets until they prove otherwise. Don’t hold your breath on this one.
As a Mets fan, I agree with your post. Until they prove otherwise, the Mets and Nats are the worst trams in the NL East (although I respect the improvements the Nats made in the offseason).
Metsfan22, you are really setting yourself up for a hard time. I agree that the Mets are going to be good. I think us Braves fans should recognize the Mets as a potential division winner and a threat to the Braves. If the Mets take the division I certainly won’t be surprised.
However.. if the Mets dont at least win the division, you will never hear an end to all the other posters and all that they have to say. You will be specifically remembered and hounded every time you comment until you either stop posting or change your name.
You can’t discard the Nats either.
The Braves still have holes in their lineup and their bullpen. We’ve lost O’Day, Greene is unsigned, no closer, and no one to hit behind Freddie Freeman.
I’m a Mets fan, have been for 30+ years. No one is scared of us, nor should they be. We’ve been to two WS since our last win 35 years ago and we lost them both. We were worse than the Marlins last year.
Further, the Mets don’t have the greatest luck. Relievers imploding, David Wright’s odd injury, Cespedes stepping into a gopher hole or whatever the hell he did while ranching; the list goes on. Us Mets fans should *never* feel confident.
50 year Mets fan here, and this is the most excited I’ve been about the team since the Gooden years.
For the first time in a LONG time, it really looks like management is going after smart signings aggressively instead of knee jerk over payments after missing out on primary targets or scrap heap signings for the big league roster.
Moving Matz for 4 arms is impressive. Getting Lindor alone for spare parts is salesmanship extraordinaire, but also Carrasco?
The free agents available still offer PLENTY of easy improvement without losing our young, home grown players.
Another catcher, one more left handed bullpen arm, a true platoon right handed centerfielder (Bradley) with positive defensive metrics with one or two more starters with MLB experience for AAA and I give the “most improved on paper” award to the Mets.
Every team can experience injuries or Covid losses. The smart teams have depth and flexibility to cover 2-4 week losses of key players. Great teams go get WHAT they need, WHEN they need it.
I hope the Rays pick up Folty… maybe there he can have a come back.
Comeon Tom spend the fricken money what you cant afford $3-5mil comeon.. Maybe iff you cant afford to spend money maybe you shouldnt be in the baseball buisness.. Orr Maybe some of his buisness ventures arnt doin well soo he tryin to cut back on money… Which is bullcrap since all the money that goes into the cubs stays with the cubs..
Arrieta should get 7-8 million
Jake Arrieta should get 7-8 million dollars
Why are all my comments waiting for approval
If they got Bauer, the Mets would be looking at a stretch/playoff rotation of:
Wow. Thankfully for the rest of the league, the defense is not great, or else they’d be a beast.
Interesting ripple to a Bauer signing: on the current MLB roster, only Luccessi, Peterson, Edwin Diaz, Lugo (and Gsellman, currently not on MLB roster) have options, so two of them would have to be sent down to accommodate Thor and Bauer. Huge depth or trade chips left.
How you gonna put Bauer’s name before DeGrom’s
Do you watch baseball ?
I don’t have issues putting the reigning Cy Young first.
I mean, he was the Cy Young for two months.
smoothbrainnation is tripping again
Yeah Cy Young pitching in the weakest division in baseball and DeGrom has been the best pitcher in baseball for how many years now ????
If Mets do sign him he is not supplanting DeGrom as the Ace & Thor won’t be in the rotation to start the season
Loling @ you
They call him Marty mccray cray for a reason!
Absolutely. Zero doubt the opening day starter is Jd.
deGrom has been hands-down the best pitcher in the game for three years and has been excellent his entire major league career.
ketch you are an absolute clown if you think Bauer is ahead of DeGrom in any way
Imagine thinking Bauer is better than deGrom. Anyone who thinks that wears a helmet around permanently, it’s likely got a spit guard.
The reigning Cy Young winner did it in 11 games against the same 4 weak teams. Pass. There are better, less dramatic options available, which is probably why he isn’t signed yet.
Degrom has been the best pitcher in baseball for -2 years. But I agree that I’d put him ahead of Bauer in a potential playoff rotation.
I thought the same thing
They may not get Bauer after Cohen’s latest shenanigans. Say what you will about Bauer, but he’s one of the few players who puts his money where his mouth is when it comes to his personal/political beliefs. Normally I wouldn’t expect any player to cost themselves money, but Bauer marches to his own drummer.
Precisely why I want NYM’s to pass on him. The clubhouse seems to be in a good state. The NY media will be all over this guy and not in a good way. I don’t want to see the players having to answer questions about him on a daily basis and I’d imagine it would get old real quick. Good pitcher but not worth the potential headache IMO. Hope he gets his money but from another team.
To be fair, the Mets have Stroman and Syndergaard; both of whom seem to have fun on Twitter often. Syndergaard has had some beefs with teammates before, and the Mets handled without issue. I think the Mets would be fine with Bauer, but now I’m uncertain if he’d play for Cohen.
@VonPurpleHayes-Understood but, neither come with Bauer’s price tag. That’s the difference for me.
What are the Braves doing ?????
I am tired of looking and seeing them do nothing else
I mean damn you don’t wanna give us a LF/Cleanup hitter than at least give us a couple bull pen arms
No reason Greene or Melancon or both are not back already
The GM better pull a Reyes/Johnson/Buhrle trade like he did a few years ago
They had the Dodgers on the ropes supposed to push them over the top this offseason
And there is options out there,
Trade: Ramirez, Story, Bryant Blackmon, Santander, Mancini, Kyle Seager
Sign: Puig, Mazara, Gyorko. Ozuna, Turner
Some aren’t great options but are better then what we have
FredMcGriff for the HOF
@MrT. I’m hearing JRam probably won’t be traded now as the Cleveland Indians just showed by signing Eddie Rosario that they are not punting the season. Big NO thanks on Puig. Do you really want him around Acuña/Albies??? Turner on a 1 year deal I wouldn’t mind then Riley could go to LF. Braves have to do something though bat wise.
Turner has not signed yet because he wants 4 years. Are you willing to do that? You got to beat what LAD offers or you don’t get him. A one year doesn’t get his attention.
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I use to always blame Ownership (which is mostly the reason still).
and not AA…but now I’m not giving AA any more passes….he’s just as much to blame as anyone else. Man-up and call out your bosses for lack of flexibility!….still waiting to “Shop on any aisle”…
I don’t follow the Braves closely but don’t they have guys like Kyle Wright that will get moved to the bullpen?
Depends on if Soroka is ready, but yes, Kyle Wright, Bryse Wilson, Ynoa and guys that may be at AAA and almost ready: Muller, Tucker Davidson. Greene would be a luxury, let Melancon walk. Matzek, Webb, Minter, Chris Martin all look to be much larger roles with hopes Will Smith is vintage (after having his restart interrupted by Covid). If Braves fans are on a ledge, it’s because they want to be. Calm down.
Gm better pull off a Reyes, Johnson Buehrle trade? That trade was a utter failure. This goes back to fans not being smart enough to know how to properly cheer for their favourite team. The braves have won the offseason. They didn’t sign any landmines. They’ll be good next year and the year after because they’ve avoided all the god awful free agents (god awful free agents are anyone who gets multiple years) and yet you want them to pull off a big flashy move???
Big flashy move would be hiring someone to teach them how to run the bases properly had they done that last year the braves are coming off of a world series appearance.
So now only signing guys to multi year deals is the way to fill holes ???
Did Rosario get a multi year deal ?
Was Lindor a FA ?
And the Reyes/Johnson/Buhrle trade reference was about pulling off a trade that no one seen coming
Say what you want but the Braves have taken a step back when they needed to take a step forward.
When you get this close you go hard to take that next step
There is still time but options are thinning
Still need 2 bullpen arms. A 4 or 5 hitter & a bench bat
When you hear they are in on Springer or Arrenado that says they got money they are willing to spend
The Reyes/Buehrle trade to Toronto was a win for Toronto. RA Dickey was not, but let’s not re-write history to cater to your feelings here. Blue Jays were not hurt by the Marlins deal.
Atlanta is winning the offseason? Sure. If they are in 3rd place come midseason, and they could very well be as low as 4th potentially, we’ll have to disagree with that sentiment. At least come up with a real point of view, such as Atlanta has the pieces in-place to win the division again. That’s a fair point. But to say they are winning the offseason is bogus. Not losing the offseason is a more accurate statement.
None of my comments are being approved with no swearing what’s up?
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Jake Arrieta should get 7-8 million
I’d LOVE to have Jake back, but no way is he worth that much.
He won’t with the Cubs
Not with the Cubs
Well the Ricketts would tell Jed to offer him 2.5mil with an invite to spring training
Arrieta needs to fire his agent. He was offered the same deal Yu Darvish got from the Cubs before they signed Darvish. Boras ended up costing Jake over 50 million. Jakes going to end up out of baseball or signing a one year league minimum at the end of spring training as Boras must still believe someone will pay. Not gonna happen. I don’t see him getting more than 5 million now and a lot less as time goes by and the teams are done spending.
Boras tends screw his clients or get them overpaid. Doesn’t seem to be a lot of middle ground.
Thanks to the Washington Nationals and deferrals, he’s able to do both now!
Kris Bryant is the one who should have fired Boras. This guy now has to hope and pray he doesn’t get traded. He needs to figure out a way to get the Cubs to offer him some money and he needs to take it. Kris Bryant on the free agent market next year will not end well for him. He could be looking at a one-year deal with the monster group slated to hit free agency. Another injury???? Another bad year????? This guy may well have cost himself north of $200 million by not signing an extension with the Cubs. Yikes!
I always wonder if KB has all that money he flushed down the toilet in the back of his head. He wasn’t even listed in the consolation bracket of top ten 3rd baseman. He needs a big rebound year. I wouldn’t be shocked if he even accepts a qualifying offer next year.
I agree with losing Boris and sign a extension but no pressure just go back to being the next Mr Cub
No team should be giving Jake Arrieta anything more than the minimum with incentives. This guy is fresh off of pretty much stealing $75 million from Philly when you consider how little he gave them. This guy is no longer capable of achieving an earned run average under a 6.00. Why would you pay $5 million for that? Could I see the Phillies doing something silly like that? Yes! Dombrowski seems to love paying big money, while bidding against himself, to all the guys that the old GM signed and got fired for. I thought this guy was calling it quits after the season he had last year. Now all of sudden Jake Arrieta is holding showcase workouts. A lot of NL hitters are hoping to see Jake back.
The Cubs never actually made that offer to Arrieta. MLBTR themselves had to back track their reporting there. There was a weird report about Theo making a call to Make asking if he’d have accepted a deal similar to Darvish’s but there was never an offer made nor a rejection by Arrieta.
Jake Arrieta himself said they made him an offer. That’s about as reputable of a source as you can get.
Arrieta and Boras then stomped their feet on the ground and cried when he had to accept the Phillies offer. They had the PA file reports on Pirates and rays for not trying to win. Pirates had a better record than the Phillies almost until the Allstar break that year even though they weren’t trying to win lol at that goof Boras.
Then Arrieta turned his attention to young players saying this could happen to you it’s going to happen. He conveniently left out the part where he turns down at least one known 5 year deal. And with the benefit of hindsight and stats to back it up, we know know that all he was worth was a 1 year deal not a 3 year deal.
Which is why the only reason the Cubs issued him a deal was because of loyalty and legacy. They stupidly turned it down. The Cubs knew… everyone did. Even by tye of 2017, excluding the postseason he was a #4 or #5 at best. 2004 version Maddux was a far superior “washed up” pitcher than 2018 Jake.
Mets starting five is strong. My only observation is Mets fans are underrating Stroman, and overrating Peterson. Non-zero chance Lucchesi out pitches Peterson, who gets bumped when Syndergaard returns. Of course, Bauer could change the entire dynamic. No matter, though. Over the course of a full season, they’ll need all these starters. That’s the strength here. Build in depth as they’ll need it.
Mets starting 5 is not strong. Mets starting 3 is strong. Lucchesi is crap, no better than Matz. Bauer is unaffordable so they should look into Taijuan Walker. That would give them a pretty strong rotation
Remember, injuries and illnesses happen. Peterson looked great in a year (2 months) when he wasn’t even expected to contribute. Lucchesi isn’t exciting, but, like Stroman, he minimizes damage and gives his team a chance. I’m still not counting on Syndergaard for anything. The guy needs to show he can rehab SAFELY and not weight lift himself into another injury. To me, HE is the primary trade chip once he proved he’s healthy.
Bryant will be on Mets for defense.
Davis will cause them to lose 5 plus games.
I highly doubt this, considering the worst single-season WAR in baseball history is only -4.0. Further, while his defense is brutal, he’s made up for it with his bat.
Yep it is
Who are the Twins trying to kid. They aren’t interested in signing anyone to put them over a 3 game sweep. They spend enough the fans think they can contend. This franchise is going no where and should be contracted.
We’re all sorry that your mom contracted.
@RobM until Stroman actually shows us who Stroman was in Toronto then I’ll be on board. The kid talked a big game in his offseason and his rehabilitation process for what? I’m sorry when the Mets were where? When HE thought they couldn’t make a run and the standings were GLIM he bowed out. Don’t give me that protecting and health concern crap. He literally bailed on his team plain and simple lets see this year if the kid is Big Market Material.
Peterson is legit. What he lacks in experience on ML level, he makes back in unusual poise and refined skills. Hits his spots, bears down with RISP, holds runners close, pitches to contact… a lock will win double digits if he gets regular starts. Stroman is the one who will fall short… a head case who has slipped down the muddy slope… I like the two lefties in the rotation.
@RonHunt: I like Peterson too but I think the jury is still out on him.
Idioms for Idiots
I say no to Folty to Sox. After the Rodon signing, pack it up and head to ST as is.
I’m not down with getting Folty, but I wouldn’t mind if they signed Paxton. I’d have preferred they went after Tanaka, but I hear that it was either Japan or the Yankees in his mind. If Cruz is down for a one-year deal, the Sox should definitely be in on him. As currently constructed, they *might* be the best team in the AL, but they’re still big underdogs to the Dodgers and Padres. Lynn is a significant improvement, Hendriks is a big upgrade, Eaton is (insert sad commentary about Mazara here) somehow an improvement, but I still feel the Sox are missing one more significant piece to have a realistic shot at being WS champs.
Idioms for Idiots
I could live with signing Paxton. I think Tanaka is a done deal to whatever team he originally pitched for in Japan (though I could be wrong). Odorizzi wouldn’t be a bad one either. Though with both, I would prefer a one-year deal, just in case they suddenly fall off the cliff (they’re both early 30’s, so probably not, but stranger things have happened) Also, just in case Cease, Crochet, and Kopech all show they are the real deal, Paxton or Odorizzi aren’t blocking their path. Yes, I know, big ifs, but still.
Yes, they’re not WS favorites, though I could see them win it all (after all, all you have to do is make the playoffs and then get hot, which this team could definitely do). I agree, they are one more big piece away. I suppose you could argue Vaughn, Cespedes, Crochet, serious improvement for Cease, and/or Kopech (or a combination of most or all) could qualify, but that’s some serious ifs.
Getting more of a sure thing for the final piece would be ideal. I was hoping for Bauer, but it looks like he’s well out of their price range. They will probably have to trade for that final piece in July, unless they pull a shocker this month (which I can’t see).
I agree with all of that, except that I hold out hope that they’ll sign an impact bat on a one-year deal to bridge the gap to Vaughn. I knew Tanaka was a done deal; it’s just unfortunate. I’d have tried to get him on a two-year deal with a third-year option. Sox could then have opened up a rotation spot after this year (Lynn), next year (Keuchel). and year after (Tanaka). Plenty of time to see who’s ready for the rotation while having a front four that stacks up decently against just about anybody.
I hope Rangers sent someone to watch Folty. Seems like a high ceiling risk at low cost and he is still young enough that if he performs well, he could be part of Ranger’s future.
Folty to the Rangers makes a ton of sense. Low risk, no pressure for him to find himself. He’s got severe yips. If one of the Chicago teams sign him, he’s gonna collapse.
Rosenthal. Considering he had a nice 2020 with 23 appearances and not a lot of recent success, his value is likely lower than his asking price.
He should probably sign a one year deal and hit the market again next offseason.
Colome is better than Rosenthal but both of them will be over paid.
Ridiculous that the Cubs can’t even afford Arrieta, what a joke
Afford Jake? This isn’t 2015. Arrieta isn’t worth a dime over what Trevor Williams got. If wants more the Cubs and frankly the other 29 teams should move on as well. He hasn’t been anything other than average to below average since the 2nd half of 2017. You realize it’s 2021?
yes, I know what year it, yes I know he’s a shell of what he was, I more worried the trash they are going to put on the field this year. at least I can root for Jake again.
What the Cubs need is Chris Archer on a bounce back year wasn’t happy in Pittsburgh but a re do with the original team that had him Before Tampa come home son.
Bounce back year? This guy was a one-year wonder in what year 2013, 15? Can’t remember. Archer is another that should be getting nothing but a minor league deal… from the O’s.
I can only assume that extreme Cubs guy 89 got himself banned from here since he never seems to post on anything related to his apparent favorite team. He’s some creepy stalker who has some strange homoerotic obsession with me or something.
And even though I always ignore him he keeps coming around like some dog that you leave in an abandoned field and always finds his way home. I don’t know whether I should be flattered or disgusted.