JANUARY 12, 7:23pm: A rival executive told Mark Feinsand of MLB.com that he will be “shocked” if the Red Sox don’t trade Benintendi before the end of the weekend.
4:26pm: The Red Sox have discussed Benintendi with more teams than the ones mentioned below, Alex Speier of the Boston Globe reports. One of those clubs “has discussed trading big-league pitching depth for Benintendi,” Speier writes.
1:51PM: “Another American League team not mentioned has had deeper discussions” about Benintendi, WEEI.com’s Rob Bradford tweets. A source also tells Bradford that the Rangers aren’t in on Benintendi.
12:35PM: The Astros, Athletics, and Rangers have all been in touch with the Red Sox about Benintendi, Sean McAdam of the Boston Sports Journal reports (Twitter link). A source tells McAdam that Benintendi could be on the move soon, though it won’t be to the Marlins, another club previously linked to the outfielder in reports.
JANUARY 9: The Red Sox have been in “serious trade talks” about the possibility of moving left fielder Andrew Benintendi, writes The Athletic’s Jim Bowden (via Twitter). The Red Sox have a particular interest in pitcher and outfielder prospects, notes Bowden, but that’s likely a starting point more than a mandate. However serious discussions have been thus far, there is no deal pending.
There may be some bombast to Bowden’s report, which is only to say that there is a wide range of interpretations for “serious trade talks.” That could speak to an earnestness on Boston’s part in terms of their willingness to deal Benintendi, or it could reference a specific exchange of names, or something else entirely. Regardless, it’s not a shocking development for Benintendi’s name to emerge on the hot stove. Boston would be selling low on their 26-year-old outfielder, however, who is coming off a 43 wRC+ showing in 14 games in an injury-shortened 2020. Interested teams, however, are paying more attention to his 2019 production (100 wRC+, 2.0 fWAR) than 2020, adds Rob Bradford of WEEI.com (via Twitter).
His 2020 performance aside, there is some concern that Benintendi has declined in foot speed, which could have major repercussions on his game. He has not yet boasted the explosive power traditionally associated with a corner outfielder (.162 career ISO). Per Statcast, Benintendi’s sprint speed has slowed from 28.6 feet per second as a 22-year-old in 2016 to 27.7 ft/s as a 24-year-old in 2018 to 26.6 ft/s as a 26-year-old in the short sample of 2020. That’s a rather stunning fall from the 89th percentile to the 43rd percentile.
If anything, the decline in speed could threaten his viability as a centerfielder. Benintendi hasn’t played much center in his career, but he hasn’t needed to with Jackie Bradley Jr. manning the middle in Boston. With Bradley a free agent, the Red Sox are looking at a starting outfield of Benintendi, Alex Verdugo, and Hunter Renfroe. All three have traditionally fit better in the corner. Hypothetically, if Boston didn’t think Benintendi was a good fit in center, they could look to move him to give more playing time to Verdugo and Renfroe. At the same time, Renfroe was a part-time player with the Rays last season, and he could continue in that capacity this season. Jarren Duran could make the Major League team at some point, and he might fit better in center than anyone else currently on the Boston roster. All of which merely speaks to why Boston might view Benintendi as an expendable asset, not necessarily why they would or should desire to move him.
As a prospect, Benintendi possessed a monster hit tool with the possibility for big power, and his game hardly predicated solely on his foot speed (though he was viewed more as a gap-to-gap hitter than a home run leader). Remember, he was the No. 1 ranked prospect in the game as recently as 2017 per Baseball America, who wrote in their prospect report after he made his debut in 2016: “Multiple evaluators believe that Benintendi has a chance to be a perennial all-star who competes for batting titles. ’He’s a once-in-a-decade hitter,’ one said. Benintendi combines excellent hand-eye coordination with the pitch recognition to avoid strike zone expansion. His precisely-tuned swing, with his strong forearms and core along with a rare knack for putting the bat on the ball, allow him to drive the ball with surprising authority given his diminutive stature.” Those skills at peak development still play even if he doesn’t run as well as before. Certainly, a team that sees even a portion of that upside would have more than enough cause to make a run at Benintendi, depending on Boston’s asking price.
jacknbd
Is now really the best time to trade him
pasha2k
You’re right
StlSwifty
The cardinals should be all over this
gbs42
The Cardinals don’t need another okay outfielder. They need a good one.
playicy
Indians need outfielders badly!
cards04
Would you rather have Fowler or Benintendi. Benintendi has the potential to be a good corner outfielder
solaris602
Unless he’s willing to accept ramen packets in exchange for his services, that ain’t happening
17dizzy
Exactly—— the Cardinals won’t sign any more mediocre outfielders. They have a barn full of them now.
Cardinals won’t sign any Impact players for 2021. They’ll wait until Mozeliak’s dud signings of Matt Carpenter and Derrick Fowler’s contracts expire.
KiahFJ
17dizzy….I wouldn’t say the Cardinals won’t sign more mediocre outfielders because that implies Mozo the Clown knows what he is doing.
StlSwifty
Benintendi was a former top prospect in MLB with a great hit tool. He seems to nettle nagging injuries each year like he did last year. Sometimes guys play through injuries and produce mediocre results. But we’ve seen what he can do when healthy and the cards have the OF depth and pitching depth to get a deal done. We need another smooth swinging Lefty On the team.
StlSwifty
*battle nagging injuries.
Randy Red Sox
Benentendi still has the potential to be a star. If Bloom deals him for anything less than HIGH END { top 50} SP prospect I will personally drive him to the airport.
jr.white
Randy…I love the energy here but this take is pretty delusional
JoeBrady
It is not delusional. Randy hates the RS, particularly Bloom.
By saying something crazy like a top-50 prospect, he can now claim Bloom loses no matter what happens. If he trades him for a non-50, Randy claims that Bloom undervalued him. If he doesn’t trade him at all, then Randy claims Bloom failed in his mission.
rsoxbob
It’s the absolute worst time to trade him. Sox need outfielders, and IMO Benintendi (apparent decline in speed notwithstanding) did not just forget to play baseball and is a prime bounceback candidate. And, as everyone here is noting, he wouldn’t bring back much anyway. Terrible idea.
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
Bro he sucks trade him now before he has two years in a row of crap performance. As the article States teams maybe looking at is 2019 for bounce back this year. I don’t believe in him at all, I he’s done. Trade him NOW while you can still get something.
fba0017
Agreed. He has another bad year he would be released next off season. Use that 6 million towards JBJ have a platoon in Lf. More production less dollars.
Brew’88
Benintendi reached the peak of his baseball skills at age 20 and he’s been downsliding ever since. Some guys do that.
Other than Verdugo Bosox has a massive OF rebuild in the works and Renfroe isn’t likely the answer.
ohyeadam
If teams are hoping for his 2019 results, 100 wrc+ 2WAR, they’re not gonna be giving much back in return. Those players are a dime a dozen
lamars
Trading Benny could mean the team is interested in resigning Bradley.
rmullig2
Two years ago was the best time to trade him.
looiebelongsinthehall
He rebounds and you hit yourself in the head if he’s moved. You don’t move him and he earns more than he’s worth via arb and gets released for no return at season’s end. You thus, hit yourself in the head and ask why wasn’t he moved when there was still some value. In other words, explore what the offered return is, make a decision and move on without second guessing. I thought he should have been moved last year. So I may have been right. See my prior posts. How often am I wrong? Plenty of times.
Mlb1971
Looie – like you correctly stated….it depends on what the offer is and what Red Sox do to replace him…
If he rebounds for someone else you wish you had kept him (but if he rebounds then he has one controllable year at somewhere around $8 million….makes for a hard trade).
If you keep him and he bombs, then you wonder what you could have gotten in a trade, and how the free agent you would have signed to replace he would have done in your lineup and in your stadium… Eddie Rosario might be a good replacement
Even at a depressed price he has two years of controllability, which to some teams makes him an attractive buy low target.
looiebelongsinthehall
Agreed Yaz.
xSpecBx
@Yaz you’re also under the assumption that he will bounce back in Boston. Sometimes a change of scenery is the solution.
lowtalker1
Luchessi wingenter
SanDiegoTom
Don’t see the padres need for him
mlb1225
Especially after getting Kim and might need to move an infielder to the outfield. I still think they’ll move Cronenworth into a McNeil-type role.
StlSwifty
The cardinals give em lane Thomas and Carlos Martinez. Call it a trade.
cards04
They really gonna take that 10 mil off our hands?
Rsox
Not likely. Either a third player or some cash has to go back to Boston in that scenario
fitted54
That isn’t happening
dan55
I don’t really think we have a need for him, but we won’t miss Luchessi and Wingenter. I’d make that deal in a heartbeat.
lowtalker1
Exactly
Cannot be like Yankees fans and throw trash out for quality in offers ?
howie feltersnatch
Low talker. What do you mean. We would gladly bring Big Rob Refsnyder back for that trade. 1for1
libertyfighter
Why not save those assets for a package to get a high end bullpen piece?
CNichols
I think the Padres actually do have a need for another left handed hitting OF, but I don’t know if Benintendi is really the type of guy they should be targeting.
The Padres don’t really even have 4 traditional outfielders on their roster right now. Once you get past Grisham, Myers, Pham, its Jorge Mateo and Brian O’Grady who are pretty much converted IF who can just play out there too. I guess they could also throw Cronenworth/Kim out there in the OF mix as well, but they’re also infielders. My point being, they could use another OF, who is actually an OF, and preferably a LH one, unless this Brian O’Grady guy is the answer.
Padres458
Padres make that deal 100%. The sox wouldn’t.
alwaysgo4two
The Padres haven’t turned down a deal yet so of course……you are 100% correct.
looiebelongsinthehall
I thought pre-pandemic was the time to move him. That said let’s give Bloom time and not assess his regime until it has time to develop.
Bosox2013
True, his value is definitely down.
braves25
What do you mean by “pre-pandemic” nobody foresees a pandemic. So you can’t say “I thought pre-pandemic was the time to move him.”
p4dr35
Well to be fair if you release from a lab on purpose you might. Not sure if the Red Sox were involved though. ; )
BTW, this is a joke.
looiebelongsinthehall
After 19 ended, before 30 spring training. The winter offseason between 19-20, I kept saying to move him. He then was cheaper and had three controllable years left. Of course had he stayed healthy and produced, we wouldn’t be talking about moving him.
looiebelongsinthehall
Before 2020 season.
pasha2k
I hope they don’t do it, unless they get something big for him in pitching.
Randy Red Sox
We certainly won’t be getting any quality pitching in return for AB right now.
deweybelongsinthehall
They could get a similar type back. Someone who’s been a recent disappointment and who is now making more than the performance dictates.
Aaron Sapoznik
Reynaldo Lopez and a decent prospect from the White Sox might get the job done. Lopez and Benintendi are each sell-low candidates but still young enough to fulfill their once enormous potential. A change in scenery might benefit each player and both teams.
flmetfan
Sounds like a good trade for both Sox.
gm05
Lopez & Blake Rutherford.
Aaron Sapoznik
The Red Sox might bite with any number of replacements for a ‘slipping’ Rutherford. If could be one of the White Sox young high school power arms they drafted recently. It could be SP Jonathan Stiever who made his brief MLB debut last season.
A young player Boston might prefer could be left-handed hitting backup catcher Zack Collins who comes with some intriguing OBP/SLG numbers. This scenario would leave the White Sox scrambling to sign a veteran backup catcher, something they might want to do anyway if they prefer defensive acumen over more offense at the position. A reunion with FA Tyler Flowers might be an example. Either way, the White Sox might roll with 3 catchers on their 2021 roster. There’s a good chance that slugging but defensively challenged backstop Yermin Mercedes makes the team. The right-handed hitting Mercedes could help fill their DH role until Andrew Vaughn makes his MLB debut.
cubsnomore
I think the Sox are winning that trade.
rmullig2
I’m sure the Mets would give up Dellin Betances for him, he’s pretty big.
DarkSide830
id buy low
lolzmets
You would need to learn how to type complete sentences to actually make an offer.
stan lee the manly
Grammar aside, “I’d buy low” is 100% a complete sentence.
lolzmets
No professor, “I’d buy low” is not a complete sentence. Neither is “id buy low”. The complete sentence would be “I’d buy low.” Capitalized yes, but you’ll need to include the period at the end as well. Almost everyone else here seems to be able to pull it off with ease.
passed_balls
Please stop.
stan lee the manly
Again, “grammar aside”. You literally wrote the same sentence as him but decided not to put in short-form my man, it’s the still the same sentence. Bad grammar does not an incomplete sentence make.
Jeff Zanghi
I genuinely hope you’re kidding. Not only are you just being a jerk but the previous comment actually said “grammar aside”
Hit4me
This person starts their day angry. They’re going to end it angry. Their goal? Make you join their club.
p4dr35
Well if you are a Mets fan you are at the point where the only thing you can win is Grammar wars. LOL!
bucketbrew35
I actually think it’s Dombroski that’s interested. Based on the Phillies needs and current state it would make a whole lot of sense.
fitted54
What team in their right mind is going to want Benintendi right now .
joeshmoe11
Plenty would want him. However none will offer very much
BobSacamano
Tigers
13Morgs13
Would love to see Phillies get involved. Would love that swing at CBP
T_Rexx2
Platoon with Cutch? I don’t think either can handle CF at even an average level. Especially if what they say about his speed is true (not that you need to be super fast to be a decent CF but it helps). If the DH is in the NL next year it would be a nice grab, and Cutch can spend a lot of time there. I just wouldn’t wanna give up a lot based off of what I’ve seen on him lately.
phillies012tg
Same I would love to grab him now when his value is down, seems like a solid bounce back candidate
looiebelongsinthehall
Like I said before, his return should be someone who at a different position is pre-free agency but overpaid based on recent production. Make an “offer”.
Luc 2
WTF im a nats fan but im pretty sure this is a terrible time to trade him. He can be good they need to wait one more year unless they get a good player
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
He has shown to be very mediocre last couple of years. Hasn’t lived up to the hype and not the greatest clubhouse guy either.
miggy4prez
I feel like Red Sox fans especially like to throw out the “not a clubhouse guy” critique
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Maybe I’m not the best to say that but I’ve heard he is not the nicest guy. That aside, he has vastly underperformed for the hype he brings.
its_happening
But has he dated a NESN reporter?
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Hasn’t everyone that plays for the Sox? It’s been a trend. Business dictates relationships.
Rsox
Hey some of them are/were pretty hot. The players are only human after all…
Rsox
Unfortunately that stigma comes from the mid-70’s “25 cabs for 25 guys” teams that notoriously couldn’t stand eachother
looiebelongsinthehall
I think it was Fisk who said that as he was establishing himself.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Absolutely. Nearly every female they hire has a sex factor. It’s a completely biased trend. And good looking ladies like jocks, which is why the relationships develop.
bucketbrew35
Sex sells. You can call them out for being biased and then they’ll claim otherwise. Further down the line they’ll find a way to publicly humiliate you and tell you what to think and how you should be living your life. It’s the American way.
rememberthecoop
I know you follow the Saux closely, but when you make statements about a player’s character i.e., ‘not the greatest clubhouse guy’, I’m wondering about how/where you heard that? Not saying you’re wrong, I am seriously curious…
bpjs
I remember hearing from writers, might have been McAdam or Tomase, that Benintendi was one of the people cheering on David Price when he assaulted Eckersley. Kimbrell and Pedroia were mentioned as a holes who couldn’t take criticism. Not sure if he is a bad guy but he’s fallen off and doesn’t contribute much. Nowhere near Verdugo right now.
Jeff Zanghi
A friend of a friend dated Benintendi back when he was a rookie. Of course this was before he had any clout whatsoever so as he got more recognition he may have gotten more of an ego and attitude. BUT back then she said he was a genuinely nice guy and incredibly shy and humble. The biggest complaint he had about anything was that he didn’t like that he didn’t have privacy because people recognized him everywhere he went. of course like I said this was before he really had any reason to have an ego more or less. so he definitely could have developed once since then. but back then 2017/18 from what I heard he was a really genuine stand up guy.
looiebelongsinthehall
And no longer cheap given the situation teams are in.
A'sfaninLondonUK
This is why I pay hardly earned English money to subscribe to this site.
“Bombast” – whilst “behove” is marginally overused here, TC walks in with both barrels and a “bombast”. Worth every penny.
Carry on talking about baseball amongst yourselves, I’m going for a smoke…
miggy4prez
What?
A'sfaninLondonUK
The moment you and humour divorced each other. It was meant to be self deprecating. Never mind I’m winning 4-3.
Keithbw22
I was actually thinking of him the other day. I know pitching is a necessity, but what about a deal for Baez or Bryant? Throw in Hendricks. It may take Benny and Jeter Downs.
soxsam32
I think it’s pretty clear that Chaim is moving major league assets for prospects and isn’t prepared to go the other way around. We’re not in the market for any big names.
Jeff Zanghi
I’m not sure I completely agree with that. hr may very well be looking to trade for ML pitching. He hasn’t done anything thus far this off-season that implies he’s looking to further trade off assets explicitly for prospects. You could also be right I don’t know for sure but I would say it’s equally as likely he’s looking for ML or near ML-ready talent in return for Benintendi as it is he’s looking for prospects specifically. Either way I’d figure he’s looking for young talent. But I definitely wouldn’t say he’s exclusively looking for minor league talent.
Sideline Redwine
Why not Baez, Bryant, and Hendricks! Lol
Gonna make a guess here…you are a Sox fan?
YankeesBleacherCreature
Makes no sense to trade him now at an affordable $6M with his potential. Let him play and trade him at the deadline.
mlb1225
Definitley seems like the smarter thing to do. He’ll only be 26-27 and has a solid track record.
Rgrddy
Bloom is blooming.
Still doesn’t know how to manage a big market team.
He should pay more attention to players who are good bowlers
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
Simply put, you have no clue.
BobGibsonFan
Wait… no one suggest the Blue Jays?
solaris602
At this point I think it goes without saying the Blue Jays are interested. It’s kinda like the final puzzle on Wheel of Fortune where they give the contestant R-S-T-L-N-E for starters. It’s just a given this offseason.
Le Grande Orangerie
Not only are the Blue Jays interested, but if he lands anywhere else there will be a Twitter Poutstorm of soggy nappy proportions.
AndyWarpath
Interesting timing with the Coonrod deal opening up a 40 man spot for the Giants. Benintendi + Eovaldi for …Jaylin Davis?
Red Sox save some money by attaching Eovaldi and get a flier on Davis. Giants use their payroll flexibility to get an interesting bounce back guy in Benintendi and add Eovaldi to the back of their uninspiring rotation mix. Maybe Eovaldi can drink from the Fountain of Farhan.
Randy Red Sox
Oh sure let’s trade a guy we drafted in the 1st round for a guy drafted in the 24th rd AND add our 2nd best SP {or even 1st} best HEALTHY SP when we NEED pitching !!! I’d personally drive Bloom to the airport if he made that deal !!
AndyWarpath
I’m not sure anyone cares about what round anyone got drafted in 2015 and 2016. I understand the Red Sox need pitching, but Eovaldi is owed 34M over the next two years and has given the Red Sox 120 innings of below average production over the past two years. Neither player you’re mocking me over is exactly a desirable asset. Davis is obviously a throw in, but the real get for the Red Sox would be the 50M in salary they’d save over the next two years and the type of players they could acquire for that.
iverbure
Guys like Randy just don’t understand baseball and how to win. They can’t fathom why teams try and lose on purpose. He thinks teams should always be constantly trying to get better and trading away assets. That’s a good way to continue to lose long term.
surefirewinners
I am a life-long Red Sox fan and I don’t WANT them to trade Benintendi (why sell when his value is so low?). But, if they could actually get a semi-valuable piece, then go for it.
I think that the deal you offered (AB/Eovaldi for Davis) is very fair, but there is no way that the Sox would make that trade.
The Sox have a serious perception problem (hard to believe after 4 WS Championships in 16 years, but they do) after the Mookie Betts trade.
AB is among the most popular players (along with Bogaerts/Devers) and they can’t move him without getting something decent in return. The Sox would also need to eat salary with that trade..
Unless the Sox sign Ozuna and Bauer within 24 hours, a salary dump of Benintendi is not going to happen.
Perksy
Yes, which is what SF Giants do when they are not good enough.
pasha2k
Oh plueeze!
johns-11
Mets lol
tjaro9
Who would you trade for him from Mets? Jd davis?
fathead0507
Lol.. JD Davis is the Yankee equivalent to Voit.. think they have more value than they really do.. Benny is worth Davis and more
alproof
Benintendi & Eovaldi to Mets for Nimmo, Matz, Gsellman, cash, international draft slots.
ctguy
The last thing the Mets need is either Eovaldi or Bennintendi.
Ma4170
Benintendi isn’t worth much of anything anymore… Since middle of 2018 has barely been league average… name recognition doesn’t mean anything… there have been articles based in analytics on why the areas he’s declining are alarming and don’t indicate a bounce back… so no, it wouldn’t take more than JD Davis
pasha2k
Gag me
Cosmo2
I never understand when folks suggest the Mets trade Nimmo, one of their best players. The point is to add, not subtract. Trading Nimmo for AB fills one hole and opens another. Makes no sense.
iverbure
Do fans even look at teams rosters and think about which way players bat. The Mets have 3 OF none of which are actual CF who all hit LF. The last thing they need is yet another player who hits LF and doesn’t play CF. They need a RH hitter who plays CF.
For Love of the Game
An outfielder who hits .275 is hardly a generational talent.
soxsam32
Everyone’s saying it’s the wrong time to sell but is it? Who the hell knows if his head is really in the game? In my opinion if prospects can be had for him Chaim should make it happen.
jacknbd
With a track record of early MLB success you know a bounce-back is possible, so it’s not like he’s some prospect who’s been all hype. I’d be willing to take the patient approach and see if he can get healthy and produce over the course of a full season. Especially when the Red Sox aren’t currently competing for a title
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
Jack that’s a good opinion but I think in the case of Andrew benintendi, he’s done. This case is different so you have to dump him now… perhaps a team will think he can bounce back. I personally don’t think he will bounce back.
30 Parks
Jim Bowden’s biggest fan? Jim Bowden.
A'sfaninLondonUK
@30 Parks
30 – we all fall in love looking in the mirror in the morning. Personally I’ve started wearing disguises to add an air of mystery to it all.
But tomorrow – I can’t wait – I’ll think of you and Jim….but not at the same time. That would be like – cheating. And I’m out of pine tar…
WeeWoo
Cheating for sure. Especially because you’d be thinking about Bubba Harkins too.
Bruin1012
I highly doubt that the Red Sox will trade 10d unless someone values him like 2018 and completely ignores the 2020 and 2019. I doubt that happens. Would be very surprised if they actually trade him. I guess it doesn’t hurt to shop him and see if a team bites at your value otherwise you just keep him. There is no need to trade him.
bencole
No ones going to offer 2018 value for him. And I think they do trade him. His performance is probably less than you can buy for the same money on this open market, as down as it is.
8ManLineupNoPitcherNoDH
offer trash from the farm system. if they dont accept, they can keep him
bravesfan
Gez I would love him as a Brave. But I can see the prospects that it would take to get him being insane, and I don’t see him being worth a Drew waters or anything.
8ManLineupNoPitcherNoDH
wth are you talking about? he wouldnt even come close to costing waters
bravesfan
I agree… hence why I said such lol
8ManLineupNoPitcherNoDH
no, you didnt
Braveslifer
Sean Newcomb swap may get it done.
bencole
Yeah, this is reasonable
Appalachian_Outlaw
He doesn’t really fit what Atlanta needs, though. Atlanta needs a run producer, and if you put Benitendi in LF you take away the only spot you can really add one unless you take Riley off 3rd.
No thank you, I don’t want Benitendi in Atlanta.
Braveslifer
If you’re thinking home runs are the only source of run production, yes. Adding AB’s speed to this team will create havoc on the base paths for opposing teams. Thinking small ball here.
bobtillman
Bowden’s whole article smacks of “Ooops, the boss said I’ve got the Saturday shift; I’d better come up with somethin'”.
Bene’s turned into a whole bunch of “meh”. The offense is league average; the defense over-rated, he offers nothing on the base paths. (Jim Rice played LF in Fenway; love Jim-Ed, but LF in Fenway is probably the only thing that kept him in the field). And Bene’s “great playoff catch” was actually a mistake; think of what happens if the ball gets past him.
To boot, he had a not-so-hot 2019, and a horrible 2020. I’m sure there’s those out there who might want his raw talent (it’s still there), but Bloom won’t get anything for him.
iverbure
His catch was a mistake? What. By that logic nobody that ever makes a driving catch should dive because the ball could get by them. I can tell you’ve never actually played and understood how to play the OF correctly.
Rsox
I think Bowden is reaching a bit. Benintendi’s trade value is at its lowest right now, the Red Sox aren’t likely to get “pitching prospects” or “Outfield prospects” unless they are including a better piece than Benintendi
garywang00
Smart move! Always buy high and sell low. Investment 101!!
I wonder if they would access my used 2004 Nissan Maxima ?! I will throw in my CD player.
Aaron Sapoznik
I should have yanked the CD player from my 2007 Honda before getting rid of it, especially when I found out new cars don’t come with them anymore. I put over 250,000 miles on it and never had a single issue with the player. I wonder how many phones (with the music downloads & crappier sound) I will go through over my next 250k in the new car?
troll
too much emphasis is put on power at the corners. if you can play/hit, doesn’t matter. ever here of mike trout? oh, he’s got to play left/right field. he hits with power. we don’t need a centerfielder the hits bombs.
Ancient Pistol
The Tampa Bay Red Sox are ready to strike again!
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Please trade him. I’ll even take a bag of balls for him.
Sideline Redwine
Based off one season? Sure, he has not met the ridiculous expectations set for him, but he has had a few good seasons, and judging any player off last year is shortsighted.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Not just last season. I never thought much of him. He only had one above average season. Maybe a bag of balls is drastic, but I would much rather have a Kevin Pillar instead. Can’t believe I’m saying that but I am.
Superstar Car Wash
“Multiple evaluators believe that Benintendi has a chance to be a perennial all-star who competes for batting titles. ‘He’s a once-in-a-decade hitter,’ one said.”
Unfortunately, this scouting failure was probably the final mail in the coffin for traditional scouting, killing the “eye test” and opening Pandora’s Box entirely for sabermetrics and algorithms to take over with their completely formulaic method of scouting.
Rsox
Thats the problem right there. Scouts expected him to be Yaz when Mike Greenwell is a more realistic comp (though right now a Darren Bragg comp might be reaching). He’s still young enough i would give him at least this season to see if he rebounds.
Superstar Car Wash
Darren Bragg… good call and blast from the past!
towinagain
Anderson Espinoza and Jorge Ona and another piece for him?
Randy Red Sox
How is Espinoza doing health wise anyway { serious question} ?? I was pissed when we traded him for Pom-Pom.
towinagain
Per the San Diego Union Tribune, his velocity is up and he’s been pitching behind the scenes but had some really good outings.
Jeff Zanghi
I’m not really in favor of trading benintendi just because it’s selling so low. But if they could get Espinoza back I think I’d take that. I know he’s had some serious injury problems and hasn’t pitched as well since the trade to SD BUT back when he was a Sox prospect I was really high on him and if he is healthy now and has his velocity back he’s still young enough I’d be willing to roll the dice with him potentially turning into the front line SP they envisioned prior to the trade for Pomerantz
CNichols
It’s not really an issue of he “hasn’t pitched as well since the trade to SD”… he just hasn’t pitched at all. He’s only thrown about 30 game innings in SD’s system and the last professional game he threw in was in 2016.
He’s still only going to be 23 this season, so I hope he stays healthy and produces when he’s back on the field, but I don’t think he’s really a trade piece when he hasn’t thrown in a game in 4 years.
IjustloveBaseball
While now would seem an odd time to trade Benintendi, I’m assuming Boston would be marketing him as a piece with untapped/rebound potential. Viewing his 2020 struggles as anything more than a minor blip is unwise — and the Red Sox know this; so do other teams.
I’m not saying he’s going to become a superstar, but he’s capable of providing stable offense, and isn’t even 27 until July.
Sideline Redwine
Agree. Judging any player long term off of last year is irrational.
kumook20
Hearing Blue Jays, Mets, Dodgers, Padres and White Sox.
turner9
Jays aren’t trading for Benny. Sox would overcharge for a player who technically isnt worth it at the moment simply due to the division rivalry
Even if such a thing occurred, he really isn’t an improvement over any of our OF (at his current level of play not his potential) so pursuing that risk isnt a smart baseball move given their current roster state and desire to sign big name FA to fill OF spots (insert comedic responses about the Jays being in on everyone and not signing anyone)
Dorothy_Mantooth
His post was a joke. Those are the only teams doing anything in FA…relax.
WeeWoo
We are getting dangerously close to needing a “satire” toggle setting to be enabled before posting on here so everyone can understand.
Most people in these comments think that South Park is too serious and not funny enough.
Aaron Sapoznik
Emoji access here might help! 🙂 lol lmao…..
Sideline Redwine
I remember not too long ago when the Sox farm was stacked, and this was when the Sox were winning titles. It seemed they would be great forever. But things happen–trades, gravity, reality. Might be something to remember for fans who think their team will be a forever juggernaut. Witnessed it w the Cubs, then the Astros (and I remember those same Astros fans poking fun at the Cubs–oops)…nothing lasts forever. Prospects are just that–prospects. Benintendi was good for a couple years, maybe he regains his form (injury was partially to blame, right?), maybe Boston will be good again sooner rather than later…
or maybe not.
dazedatnoon
Benintendi for Reynaldo Lopez + Matt Foster…..fixes the Sox DH also. Hi Mom!
Then sign Bauer?, Paxton?, Kluber? or someone…..along with a closer
IronBallsMcGinty
I was thinking that Rick Hahn might be lurking.
Sliderdownandin
I was thinking the same thing. I know the Sox had shown interest in the past, but not sure now. Would have thought more so, pre Eaton signing. Don’t know what The Bosox would want in return, but doubt the Sox would give up much for him now.
Ronk325
Benintendi has played his whole career to this point in a hitters park as part of a strong lineup and has for the most part never looked any better than a slightly better than league average hitter. Couple that with his declining defense and he’s nothing more than an average all around player who doesn’t really have much trade value. He’s just another on a long list of overrated prospects produced by the Red Sox in the past decade
butch779988
You mean like Mookie, Bogaerts, and Devers?
Ronk325
Congrats on naming the 3 who panned out from the Sox system. However I’m talking about the guys like Blake Swihart, Henry Owens, Matt Barnes, and Michael Chavis to name a few
whyhayzee
When were any of those guys overrated?
This team shredded MLB in 2018 with all but 2 in their lineup from their system. Overrated? They ripped the league to SHREDS. Overrated. Pffft.
Ronk325
Does the way the team played in 2018 have any correlation with Benintendi, Swihart, Owens, Barnes, and Chavis being highly touted prospects who went on to be busts?
ctguy
Swihart was supposed to be Hall of Fame talent
Ronk325
That he was, and he was supposed to be catching Cy Young Candidates Henry Owens and Matt Barnes according to prospect analysts
Salvi
Dont forget Mookie Betts, Christian Vazquez, Jackie Bradley.
Swear everyone from this site, think Red Sox draft every year is Round 1, Swihart, Round 2 Swihart Round 3 Swihart . . .
So many NY trolls here.
Ronk325
Vazquez and JBJ are both very average players and I named several other guys besides Swihart. He’s just the best example of an overhyped Red Sox prospect
looiebelongsinthehall
Very average who more than just a couple of teams would love to have.
Ronk325
I doubt teams would “love” to have him. He’s a buy low candidate with some upside who can be had for cheap
Jeff Zanghi
Barnes was never really viewed as a potential star. In fact I’d say he’s more or less lived up to or exceeded any expectations that existed existed he was a prospect. And as for Chavis I think it’s still too early to completely write him off. Owen’s on the other hand… I never understood the hype. he was a strikeout pitcher who only threw 91 MPH. it doesn’t take a scouting genius to tell that that was going to be a problem when he got to the majors. and surprise it was! haha
Jeff Zanghi
Vasquez is waaayy more than a “very average” player. He’s great defensively and over the past 2 seasons has also been putting up really quite impressive offensive numbers. On top of that he wasn’t a hugely hyped prospect so if anything he’s actually exceeded prospect projections. Also people forget Yoan Moncada, Michael Kopech, Travis Shaw, Jose Iglesias etc. They traded them but they were still sox prospects just a few/handful of years ago
JoeBrady
Vazquez and JBJ are both very average players a
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Vazquez is #3 in catcher WAR over the past two years.
GiantsFanJeff
Bowden GUARENTEED Stanton to Dodgers and both Ohtani and Josh Bell to Yankees. He is an absolute hack.
Mlb1971
Half of the rumors are fiction made up by writers….
Team 1 trade abc to team 2 for xyz…. print it so their media outlet can sell advertising
The Red Sox will keep Benintendi and platoon him with Renfro if they sign another outfielder.
Orel Saxhiser
It’s not necessarily false. It’s just GM’s from various teams talking. These guys talk to each other all the time. It’s a huge part of their job; assessing what they and other teams need and trying to find a match that helps both parties. Most players’ names are brought up in trade conversations at some point. Probably almost all of them. That doesn’t mean they will be traded.
Suggesting that beat writers make stuff up just to sell advertising is ridiculous. Trust me, those kinds of thoughts don’t enter reporters’ minds. It’s not how they’re wired. Covering a beat is about talking to people, being plugged in, digging for info, and providing reliable information.
I get it. Many people these days like to call journalism “fake news.” But that has more to do with the agenda and biases of that person than the actual reporting. If the story doesn’t say what the person wants it to say, they brand it as fake. Very seldom will people process new information and change their perspective. Kids will do it. but adults like to think they are right all of the time even when they are almost always wrong. These people think they have all the answers once they receive their high school diploma when the truth is that their education is just beginning.
This is why many teenagers are more knowledgeable than their parents. They pay attention to our ever-changing world while their parents still live in a world that no longer exists. Being out-of-touch with modern times is not a virtue. Neither is condemning people who do jobs that you couldn’t do. If you don’t want to read and be entertained by the trade rumors on MLB Trade Rumors, then why the heck are you here? The negativity and baseless accusations make no sense.
Sliderdownandin
Fake post!
JoeBrady
But that has more to do with the agenda and biases of that person than the actual reporting.
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There is no real reporting any more. Half the reporters have a political bias, and the other half don’t want to be blackballed by the first half.
If that wasn’t enough, it use to be that your paper’s success and reputation were your success and reputation. Now it is all about whoever gets the most sensational headline.
Rsox
There is a reason Bowden hasn’t been a GM in a long time and it’s not his journalistic skills…
bighiggy
Wonder if the red Sox would take jake wofford and ehlerius Montero(cardinals) for benintendi? 3rd base prospect and pitching prospect, both decent? Give the cards someone to fill fowlers spot immediately or once hes DFA’d,traded or becomes a free agent.
Rsox
The Red Sox would need an Outfielder in return and the Cardinals don’t even want their Outfielders let alone anyone else taking one
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
The Red Sox would not necessarily want an outfielder in return. They’ll actually take whatever they can get regardless of position. Then sign another outfielder or bring one up from the minors. You don’t hold out on training Andrew benintendi because you’re not getting an out outfielder back.
Randy Red Sox
Sox need PITCHING. They can always sign an OF on the FA market.
LaFlamaBlanca
Realistically Benintendi does not have much value other than maybe his contract. He does not standout defensively and has never shown much power nor speed. At this I think Beni is exactly what he’s shown to be. I see him as a younger version of Nick Markakis.
Orel Saxhiser
Benintendi already has a total of 2,104 MLB plate appearances. It’s often been said that 2,000 is enough to get an accurate read on what a player is capable of. Age and early scouting reports don’t necessarily matter. Some guys just get to a certain and that’s all they have to give. We see this in baseball all the time, with Markakis being an excellent example.
Though not the same style of player, Benintendi reminds me of current FA Joc Pederson. While Joc is a power threat against right-handed pitching, he came up as a centerfielder who had a 30/30 season in the minors. At age 28, the CF and speed capabilities are no longer there and haven’t been for a while. After 2,517 plate appearances, he is what he is.
Ultimately, players like this seem better suited for middling teams who seek to be competitive rather than teams vying for a championship. While I realize that Benintendi and Pederson have rings, In the long run, contenders generally replace these kinds of players with better ones.
Aaron Sapoznik
Solid comment. That said, Joc Pederson did earn his ring last season as a platoon player with the most loaded roster in MLB. Andrew Benintendi got his in 2018 as a full time player with another stacked roster in Boston. Of course, Benintendi was producing better numbers back then (2018 was his apex) and has tailed off since.
My point is that either could still be solid contributors to a championship contender looking for a specific need or as a ‘finishing’ touch to complete a loaded roster. As an example, either Pederson or Benintendi could fill the White Sox last remaining hole in their batting order as a solid left-handed hitting DH versus RHP who has the versatility to play a defensive position once top hitting prospect Andrew Vaughn makes his MLB debut. Either could also replace defensively challenged AND injury prone Eloy Jimenez in LF versus righty pitching, pushing the young slugger to more of a DH role.
bencole
Aaron, I know you’re a White Sox fan, and I hate them, but don’t you think the White Sox can get better for the same or less money on a free agent market that’s as down as this one? Without giving up anything?
To me, if I’m the White Sox, I’m spending a bit more and signing Nelson Cruz in that park.
Moneyballer
Not even close to Nick Markakis! If we’re being honest, his output last season should have given the Red Sox ample reason to just CUT HIM. I think they know this and want out even when his value is that of a half-eaten fenway frank!
Pete'sView
This is a guy the Giants should scoop up if the price is right.
Cambio
Pirates? Tigers?
uvmfiji
Welcome back Cora
Jaa1968
Who would want him?
Moneyballer
EXACTLY!
angler
To the Braves for Ender Inciarte. Change of scenery swap.
Braveslifer
Makes no sense, same player and nearly same cost.
Braves send Sean Newcomb straight up. Change of scenery for both.
JoeBrady
Not nearly the same player. Inciarte plays CF, which the RS need, and Inciarte also has no value at all for the Braves, unless you’re considering keeping Pache in the minors all year.
Braveslifer
In terms of production and salary, same player
JoeBrady
So, if the production and salary are the same (& Inciarte is a bit more expensive), then why do you say it makes no sense?
Say they are both 2.5 WAR players. From the RS perspective, I’d much rather have the 2.5 WAR from CF, than from a corner, since presumably Renfroe & Verdugo are corners.
From a practiical perspective, since both Pache & Inciarte derive most of their value from playing CF, wouldn’t paying a lot of money to Inciarte to sit on the bench be senseless? Similar to the RS, I’d prefer to have a CF and a LF, than two CFs.
Braveslifer
Why swap the same player when that player you’re getting back isn’t what your team needs?? We need a LF, we have some SP that the other team needs, so let’s swap players that match each team’s needs. Inciarte isn’t what the Red Sox are looking for, Newcomb fits. Inciarte could be a sunken coat at this point unless you trade for Kirin Bryant and include Inciarte.
Braveslifer
Why swap the same player when that player you’re getting back isn’t what your team needs?? We need a LF, we have some SP that the other team needs, so let’s swap players that match each team’s needs. Inciarte isn’t what the Red Sox are looking for, Newcomb fits. Inciarte could be a sunken cost at this point unless you trade for Kris Bryant and include Inciarte.
JoeBrady
Are you funning me? You admit that you need a LF, so that part fits. If we trade Benni, we need an OF, preferably a CF.
Braveslifer
Which do you need more, pitching or OF? Hint- it isn’t OF…
Boston has a desperate need for pitching. Braves have plethora pitching to deal. Take it or leave it, but the Braves fit your needs more than most teams. Inciarte has shot his load in Atl. and we don’t want him back, so either he is cut or is part of a bad contract swap (thinking Cubs here).
bencole
No one is giving up anything of value for Ender. Give it up already.
Motown is My Town
To the Tigers for Michael Fullmer, Joe Jimenez, Christian Stewart and Jake Robson…. essentially trading a potential top line starter and closer plus 2 minor league outfielders we no longer need for a key starting outfielder
ctguy
Huge over pay for Benintendi. Tigers shouldn’t make that offer.
Rsox
Agreed. From a Red Sox standpoint it would be hard to say no but from a Tigers standpoint they would have to have Avila’s head examined
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Why wait?
Aaron Sapoznik
There could be a matchup here with the two Sox.
The White Sox appear to be in the market for a left-handed hitter with a high OBP and decent contact skills to help balance out a right-handed leaning lineup that doesn’t walk much and still whiffs at a high rate. They recently signed veteran free agent RF Adam Eaton to a one year guaranteed contract to help remedy this imbalance in 2021. Rumors suggest they are seeking an additional left-handed bat with a similar skill set who would DH but have the added flexibility of playing a corner OF position once top hitting prospect Andrew Vaughn makes his anticipated MLB debut later this season.
Veteran FA Michael Brantley would fit that description but will likely command a contract that requires more dollars and years than what the front office wants to allocate with other offseason needs still pressing, namely a closer and an additional SP. Andrew Benintendi is still just 26 and has two more years of team control. He will earn $6.6MM in 2021, the second year of a $10MM extension he signed to avoid his first two years of arbitration. He can also be controlled in 2022 through his final year of arb-eligibility.
Benintendi is still young enough to potentially become a core member of the White Sox as they begin their window to contend for titles. The White Sox tried a similar tact last offseason when dealing for RF Nomar Mazara. That experiment failed and resulted in the Eaton signing last month. Reports suggested that Benintendi was the top prospect target of White Sox GM Rick Hahn when he dangled Chris Sale at the Red Sox during the 2016 Winter Meetings to help kick off their long overdue rebuild. Boston wouldn’t budge so Hahn settled for Yoan Moncada, Michael Kopech and two other prospects in the Sale deal. Ironically, Eaton was traded to the Nationals the very next day for Lucas Giolito, Reynaldo Lopez and Dane Dunning, the latter of whom was just used to land TOR Lance Lynn at the same time Hahn was signing ‘Spanky’.
Benintendi would also offer the White Sox far better defense in LF than what Eloy Jimenez is capable of. Acquiring Benintendi would push Jimenez into more of a DH role where he is better suited for a team with championship ambitions. The long term question is how would all this impact Vaughn going forward who figures to be in a 1B/DH timeshare with reigning MVP Jose Abreu for at least the next two seasons?
Boston could help remedy this problem with their half of the equation. This simplest solution would be to include Vaughn in the trade which has zero chance of happening unless the Red Sox add something significant to up the ante, like maybe Chris Sale!
Rumors suggest that Boston is seeking one or more prospects for Benintendi, preferably a pitcher and/or outfielder. This is something the White Sox can offer with their best system depth residing in both positions.
Dorothy_Mantooth
The White Sox wanted Devers, not Benny. Red Sox wouldn’t budge on the Devers ask.
Aaron Sapoznik
Rick Hahn reportedly asked for every team’s top MLB ready player(s) when he initially dangled Chris Sale.
Hahn asked the Cubs about Kris Bryant and Theo hung up the phone.
Hahn asked the Astros about Alex Bergman and Jeff Luhnow hung up the phone.
Hahn asked the Nationals about Trea Turner, Victor Robles and Lucas Giolito but Mike Rizzo wouldn’t budge on Turner. They haggled and eventually switched gears to Adam Eaton and included Giolito in that deal.
Hahn asked the Red Sox about a package that included Andrew Benintendi (bleacherreport.com/articles/2676121-chris-sale-tra…) but Dave Dombrowski stayed on the line because he never hangs up the phone when another team offers a stud veteran (lol). Hahn settled for Yoan Moncada, Michael Kopech and two lesser prospects and the rest was history. I’m not certain about Rafael Devers although I’m sure his name came up as well, perhaps when Sale was first put on the market at the previous summer trade deadline. The other possibility is that Dombrowski prefered moving Devers over Moncada but Hahn insisted on the latter prospect. As I recall, Moncada was a higher rated prospect than Benintendi back in 2016.
Aaron Sapoznik
*Moncada was a higher rated prospect than both Devers and Benintendi back in 2016.
whyhayzee
To Cleveland for the two guys that the Mets just traded out of their minors.
Spike 13
If you will recall, he went on a weight training regimen a couple of years back, and began working on launch angle to get his long ball potential into the 25-35 zone. He was a skinny kid with gap power to all fields. He stopped being Andrew Benintendi. Can he recover that physique,stop swinging from his butt, and be the aggressive see ball-hit ball player he was when he first came to the bigs? If so, he may reach that batting title all-star type that scouts projected. Is that what the Sox still see, or perhaps another team does? It’s certainly worth gauging his trade interest. I’d give him a chance to stick instead of giving him away.
Bosox2013
Agreed, he needs to drop the “launch angle” approach and get back to being a line drive hitter like he was. He was never gonna be that 3/clean up hitter guy. His value is in getting on base and putting the ball in play. I will say his fielding talent has seemed questionable at times, slow jump, poor routes etc. Boston needs pitching desperately and it’s hard to justify outfield talent when your pitching won’t win keep you in games. They are probably better off trading him for pitching and bringing back JBJ (if reasonable).
Aaron Sapoznik
The White Sox hitting instructors would fix that issue with Benintendi if he was dealt to Chicago. They did a remarkable job last season in transitioning a mostly young group of talented hitters into actual run producers. It’s rare to see young sluggers like Eloy Jimenez and Luis Robert hit with authority to all fields.
Additionally, Benintendi would not be in the White Sox lineup for his power. Chicago has an abundance of sluggers with Jose Abreu, Yasmani Grandal, Yoan Moncada, Jimenez and Robert, along with top hitting prospect Andrew Vaughn set to debut in 2020. He would slot in at the top or bottom of the order with Tim Anderson, Adam Eaton and Nick Madrigal. Benintendi would be needed for his OBP ability and his speed on the bases.
Aaron Sapoznik
* Vaughn is set to debut in 2021.
Joshsam Junghuff
Why does everyone keep saying things like AB isn’t supposed to be a power hitter; AB needs to get back to being the great “bat to ball” gap to gap line drive .300 hitter with poor COF power he was always supposed to be?? Because that’s just plain wrong.
Andrew Benentendi, as a draft eligible Sophomore at Arkansas, *LED ALL OF COLLEGE BASEBALL IN HOME RUNS* with 20. This despite playing in a windy home stadium that is generally very oppressive against LH power. The Sox didn’t take AB expecting/projecting him to become a perennial .300 hitter with 17 HR per year at Fenway. They drafted him expecting him to become a perennial .300 hitter with 35-40 HR per year at Fenway. For whatever reasons, the power potential he showed in college simply never translated to MLB
Spike 13
AB had tremendous success when he broke into the bigs. He changed his approach and look at what he has become. He swings through so many pitches now that he looks like an arcade game at Paragon Park. He may have been homer happy in college, but he’s not facing college pitching anymore. Remember when he made consistent contact? Someone got inside his head, tried to change his style, and today’s AB is the result. Similar story with JBJ. Remember the spring training that he tore up? You couldn’t get him out. Hit every thing tossed up. Another natural hitter that someone messed with. His last couple of months last season we saw the old (young) JBJ back swinging the bat the way he knew how. AB would benefit by doing the same thing.
Spike 13
I think JBJ wants out. They would have to overwhelm him with cash.
Aaron Sapoznik
If the Red Sox “have to overwhelm” any free agent outfielder with cash it should be the best one, George Springer. They probably wouldn’t have to pay an extra premium in order to entice him in a bidding war with other suitors like the Blue Jays or Mets since Springer is a born and bred die-hard Red Sox fan who has always wanted to play for his beloved. (bostonherald.com/2016/05/13/overdue-homecoming-for…).
Spike 13
I agree, but wouldn’t Springer’s contract put them back over the CBT? There’s the forfeiture of a draft choice as well.
Aaron Sapoznik
If it did, the Red Sox could always backload a long term deal a bit to help with an immediate CBT issue. I’d guess that Springer might be OK with such an arrangement, particularly if it came from the Red Sox. It’s not like Springer is reported to have a multitude of offers right now. Who’s still in on him, especially at his reported asking price? The Mets seem to be backing off, leaving the Blue Jays as his lone ‘serious’ pursuer. Obviously this could change as we head closer to spring training.
Fact is, none of the top-5 FA’s have signed thus far and four of them have QO’s. The exception is Marcell Ozuna who had already been tagged last offseason by the Cardinals. Ozuna wound up signing a one year FA deal with the Braves and is now back in the market less the QO stigma. His problem in securing a desired multi-year contract this offseason might have to do as much with the uncertainty of an NL DH in 2021 as much as limited revenues from the pandemic.
Considering the financial uncertainty in MLB due to COVID-19, it’s not out of the realm of possibility that one or more of the other top-4 FA’s could sign a high AAV ‘pillow’ contract this offseason and then re-enter the free agent market next offseason when the pandemic might be in our rear view mirror. The fact that the current CBA also expires following the 2021 season could also have an impact on free agency.
GASoxFan
Cbt is calculated by AAV, not yearly total. Frontload, backload, CBT doesn’t care. It takes the total money over years of control. That’s it. Even deferred money doesn’t alter AAV for cbt.
Dorothy_Mantooth
Boston is not going to sign a FA with a QO attached to them. This is the highest they’ve drafted in 30+ years so forfeiting their high second round pick would be dumb given they are trying to rebuild the farm.
baseballer20
Oakland a la Josh Reddick v2.0?
Rsox
The A’s could have Reddick the original back for less than Benintendi
Moneyballer
Did you see benintendi play last season? I would take reddick over beni all day! AB has flat out lost it!
titanic struggle
The Reds should be on this like Oprah on a porkchop…
bot
Winker and castellanos. Reds get a pitching prospect in deal.
schellis 2
I thought winker and Miley. Winkers numbers look good but he doesn’t hit lefties and was epic in august and horrible the rest
Tram & Lou
Tigers would make sense. Lots of pitchers in the minors to offer
stymeedone
Unfortunately, after signing Grossman, I don’t see Avila looking for another OF.
Joshsam Junghuff
That would be dumb since Grossman is an ok 4th OF and the Tigers need viable starting OFs
stymeedone
Grossman just holding the spot for Riley Greene.
hurricanewar23
I know this is a long shot but I would love for it to happen but rangers
Joshsam Junghuff
The Rangers had their chance to own AB in 2015 and blew it when they chose Dillon Tate with the 4th pick instead. As a Rangers fan and a Razorback fan, I was pumped at the thought of AB carrying the Rangers offense for 6+ years. I was furious when they took Tate who had all the earmarks of yet another HS pitcher bust from the get go. Turns out I was right.
Well, sort of. Tate indeed wound up being just an awful awful pick but now it looks like the proper OF bat to take at #4 that year would have been either Tucker or Happ rather than AB
SJKinMD
The only way this happens is in a deal for a young SP. since it was mentioned that Cincy might consider dealing Castillo, and probably attach Moose or Castellanos to the deal, I wondered whether a deal including Benny + prospects (such as Downs + others) would be workable. That’s about the only type of deal I could see.
Cosmo2
Red Sox are in re-tooling mode right now. Makes little sense for them to trade prospects.
rocky7
Keep dreaming…..Benintendi and every Red Sox prospect worth anything wouldn’t get back Castillo, let alone he Moose, and Castellanos in the deal together…..Jeter Downs….Seriously!
JoeBrady
You seem to not understand the value of Moose and Castellanos. They have negative value. I would do Benni + Downs for Castillo & Moose, but if you added Castellanos, there is no way to even out the deal.
butch779988
You are overrating Castillo
Rsox
Even if the Red Sox were willing to pay every dollar remaining on Castellanos contract (they’re not) there is no way they have enough to offer to get Castillo. Benintendi and Downs wouldn’t get it done
SJKinMD
Agree that there would have to be more. The question is whether that’s enough to get the conversation started.
playicy
Indians would make sense with the lack of outfielders they have Mercado, Reyes, zimmer and Daniel Johnson! Won’t be surprised if their team talking to the very bad Boston red Sox’s team in a rebuilding mode now
davepond88
I’d love to see KC make a move for him. They’ve got pitching to move.
Beachbummer
Straight up for Keirmeir.
Goose
It makes no sense to trade a young, cheap player, even an inconsistent one. Someone must have peaked their interest with an offer. I don’t see the Red Sox dealing him just because.
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
Yes it does. Outfielders are easily replaceable and Benintendi is at the years where his value is the most. We hold onto him and he continues mediocrity, then we are stuck with him.
Moneyballer
He is so replaceable its not even funny. They probably have a better option on the farm right this second.
Goose
They aren’t stuck with him. This isn’t Pablo Sandoval and his contract. The team isn’t going anywhere and they have a typical post Dombrowski farm. Hold onto him. Why waste the money on an average OF who isn’t going to improve the team. They would be better of holding onto him and if he sucks let him walk. There is no risk or cost right now in doing that.
Moneyballer
Maybe the .103 batting average he had in 2020 has something to do with it. He’s also a free agent in 2 years, so get something or get nothing – you do the math!
ffrhb14Sox
He had 39 at bats last year, I doubt anyone puts too much stock in the .103 average and only care if he would pass his physical as healed from his injury.
DarkSide830
if any team thinks Boston thinks that AVG is for real they either they back off as well or they scoff at that assessment and proceed to rob Boston blind.
Priggs89
Y’all want Reynaldo Lopez? Got a mediocre OF prospect or two we could throw your way as well…
B-Cap
Trade him now for a dumpster dive to be named later
Joshsam Junghuff
Why does everyone keep saying things like AB isn’t supposed to be a power hitter; AB needs to get back to being the great “bat to ball” gap to gap line drive .300 hitter with poor COF power he was always supposed to be?? Because that’s just plain wrong.
Andrew Benentendi, as a draft eligible Sophomore at Arkansas, *LED ALL OF COLLEGE BASEBALL IN HOME RUNS* with 20. This despite playing in a windy home stadium that is generally very oppressive against LH power. The Sox didn’t take AB expecting/projecting him to become a perennial .300 hitter with 17 HR per year at Fenway. They drafted him expecting him to become a perennial .300 hitter with 35-40 HR per year at Fenway. For whatever reasons, the power potential he showed in college simply never translated to MLB
Cap & Crunch
Reminds me of Joc who was casted as an easy .300 avg 20/20 potential Gold glove CF with 30/30 potential
Joshsam Junghuff
That would be dumb since Grossman is an ok 4th OF and the Tigers need viable starting OFs
GarryHarris
Just a thought: The NYM.could use Andrew Benintendi in CF. Dominic Smith, Robert Gsellman or Steven Matz could use a change in scenery.
metsgolf
Do not , under any circumstances, trade Dom Smith.
VonPurpleHayes
Dom Smith and Pete Alonso on the same team seems like a waste to me. I’m not insulting either player. They’re both too good to be coming off the bench.
DarkSide830
id trade Alonso tbh
Moneyballer
Well that would be a dream trade for the Red Sox, they would do any of those 3 in a second. Why would the mets do that? They don’t even have room for him plus they want Springer. I don’t think so.
gm05
Reynaldo Lopez & Blake Rutherford for Benintendi.
Anderson SS (R)
Benintendi LF (L)
Abreu 1B (R)
Jimenez DH (R)
Moncada 3B (S)
Robert CF (R)
Grandal C (S)
Eaton/Engel RF (Platoon L/R)
Madrigal 2B (R)
Bench – Collins C/1B, K. Suzuki C (FA), Mendick 2B/SS/3B, L.Garcia 2B/SS/OF, Engel OF
SP: Giolito, Keuchel, Lynn, Cease, Crochet
Bullpen: Hendriks (FA- CL), Bummer (LSU), Marshall (RSU), Foster, Fry, Heuer (6th/7th), Lambert or Stiever or Vargas (Long/6th SP)
– Kopech starts off in AAA for at least 15 starts since he missed 2 full seasons.
– Vaughn starts off in the minors, probably will join the team late summer unless there’s an injury to Abreu or Jimenez.
Bruin1012
Aa a Red Sox fan no that would be a hard pass not even close. Lol.
Moneyballer
That is such a pie-in-the-sky never going to happen idea. Red sox don’t want your failed players.
davidkaner
Call the Tigers. They had the worst OF in baseball last year & the signing of Grossman doesn’t bode well for their chances of getting better.
its_happening
AB for Boyd 🙂
anthonyd4412
Uh Cubs?
802Ghost
I’m surprised Atlanta isn’t listed as a location for him. Given their pitching depth and their desire for a LF.
eyeball710
Agree. Newcomb and Touki. Get em outta here.
Appalachian_Outlaw
That’d be an overpay for Atlanta, and I’m not saying that coming from a place of overhyping Newk or Touki. They could sign Puig and not give up anything, and he’d probably produce similar to AB.
802Ghost
Maybe so. But I’d be ok with trading Newk and Touki for Benny.
Braveslifer
The fact that Newcomb is cheap (likely $600K) means it may be an even swap. Boston deals from surplus, and at the same time saves roughly $6M in dealing Benintindi and we deal from surplus of arms. Each team fills a need. Next would be to deal Touki, Inciarte and whatever else it takes for Kris Bryant.
Braveslifer
Yes, swap AB for Newcomb
ncbravesfan95
Newcomb Jenisita Ender and Luke Jackson for Barnes and Benny
Braveslifer
Done
Poundsy24
I still believe in AB. 2020 was a weird year for everyone. I think now is the time to lock him up long term and show confidence in him. The only way they should move him is for a stud prospect or as part of a package for an all-star. You don’t give up young, controllable assets if you’re rebuilding. Please do not trade him for an underwhelming package. I will try to refrain judgment until I see a deal but those teams mentioned don’t have much worth dealing for.
Rangers29
If CY and JD can pull off a deal… I might explode.
AidanVega123
Me too
rangers13
How would this trade look for you?
Rangers29
… I’m not sure, but I’ll get back with you in a minute.
Rangers29
The most logical one I came up with was this:
Red Sox get: Calhoun and Ronny Henriquez
Rangers get: Benintendi
I am really not sure what the Sox would want in a deal, but this would hint at them trading Martinez for salary relief. I’m not sure, but this is fairly fair.
This trade would hint at Taveras staying in the minors until the deadline, but here’s the lineup with him in it:
Taveras CF
Benintendi DH
Gallo RF
Solak 2B
Lowe 1B
IKF SS
Dahl LF
Trevino C
Andrus 3B
It ain’t bad, but I’d like to see what Guzman can do at the beginning of the season, so I’d rather stick Taveras in AAA to start the season.
Moneyballer
That lineup is such weaksauce. Rangers have been stuck in the mud for a decade and that ain’t changing anytime soon!
JimmyTheC
Why would anyone trade what’s left of their farm system for Benintendi when all you would have to give up for Rosario is a pen with some ink in it?
peteralt
What about Nimmo for Benintendi??
Angry Disgruntled Sox Fan
A change of scenery would likely help both.
whyhayzee
Why not just sit them on opposite sides of the bus?
Moneyballer
Well that one would be totally and completely pointless wouldn’t it?
hurricanewar23
Watch it be the rangers And Gallo,odor are involved
rangers13
That is possible but would hate to see only power RAngers have left depart for AB. Would rather see it be Odor, Palumbo, Leclerc, and Tejeda for AB and Eovaldi. If Gallo involved would really like Renfroe involved or perhaps some form of multiple teams deal with Cincy for GRay/Castellanos or Suero or with Cubs for Bryant and Contreras or Atl for Riley Inciarte and Toussaint.
Dalton1017
if we do that they get Andrus also. Gallo has all the makings of a superstar and they would be foolish to trade now.
rangers13
Agreed
Brew’88
makings? He IS a superstar.
But only when he’s healthy enough to play; which is about 50% of the time, and there lies problem.
Moneyballer
Rangers would be soooo dumb to even trade Gallo for Benintendi straight up. Gallo would become the next Big Papi in beatown if that happened. He would smack 60 bombs over that short porch, easy.
Dunk Dunkington
Would be a good buy low guy for the Cubs, so that eliminates the Cubs as a possible option.
Priggs89
He makes more than $12/hr. Pass.
Mjm117
Smart of the Fish to move on. OF is probably 1b in terms of talent and depth throughout the organization with SP’ing most likely 1A.
Fish need to see what they have with Brinson, monte, and Sierra in 2021z. And they still have Jesus Sanchez, Misner, and the hitting jewel of the system, in Bleday. Just of the top of my head so I know I’m missing others.
2020 was great but 2021 is really going to show how far this franchise is to truly contending for at least wild and hopefully division.
nailz#4life
Benny & Chavis + PTBNL or cash to Cincy for Moose and L Castillo. Sold
Moneyballer
Please. Cincy isn’t stupid.
JoeBrady
Gray & Downs for Puig.
Signing Moose & Castellanos.
eyeball710
I have a feeling the Braves could be in on this. They have a stable of equally “sell low” players, specifically, pitchers.
californiaangels
angels would be cool, maybe include Upton and a prospect package out of the top5 .
Vizionaire
that would be the dumbest trade unless it was a joke. upton’s injury may make you and many others think he is trash but he is worth much more than a.b.
iml12
Upton is owed 51 million dollars and has been injured sprinkled with subpar performances. I’d say he has massive negative value right now.
Vizionaire
there is no way to know if anyone will be injured. when healthy upton is more valuable than healthy a.b.
1984wasntamanual
Better, maybe. More valuable, no.
JoeBrady
that would be the dumbest trade unless it was a joke. upton’s injury may make you and many others think he is trash but he is worth much more than a.b.
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Oh, so not close. Upton is entirely untradeable, for almost anyone. The RS would be 10x better off cutting Benni and paying him $6M, than taking Upton and his $51M tab.
There have been a lot of delusional responses here, both overrating and under-rating Benni, but your response blows them out of the water.
Vizionaire
yup, playing in match box stadiums make him so valuable. i get that!
JoeBrady
You can hate Benni all you want. He’s kind of a divisive figure given the difference between his floor (-0.3 bWAR) and his ceiling (4.1 WAR).
What you are not allowed to do is to pretend as if Upton is not the worst 2021-22 contracts in BB. He has a -1.3 bWAR over the past two years, and is owed $51M.
If LAA wanted to move Upton, at a minimum, they’d have to throw in $40M, and more likely, $45M, just to move him for -0- in return.
Moneyballer
This is the rare trade idea where BOTH teams involved would say hell no.
DarkSide830
im kinda shocked that they would sell low
TheJuiceBoxIsRockin
Astros need this to as a bandaid. If the asking price is right, pull the trigger…but dont give up too much. See if we can get Barnes along with it…
Moneyballer
Did I just hear something about a mystery team?! Ooo baby, sign me up! It’s gotta be the Mariners or maybe it’s the Angels or Blue Jays or Twins NO ONE KNOWS!?! I actually think Benintendi is just taylormade to be an Oakland Athletic. He just fits their brand of baseball so well. Grow a nice little beard, gain 15 pounds of muscle and what you have is an oakland A, right there.
andrewgauldin
15 pounds of muscle? McGuire and Canseco have really exaggerated reality.
Aaron Sapoznik
My guess is that the White Sox are the new AL mystery team. They tend to be mum on their dealings unless Bob Nightengale is hiding in Rick Hahn’s closest and misheard.
The White Sox are in the market for one more lefty hitter to DH and perhaps play LF versus RHP. This would allow defensively challenged Eloy Jimenez more PA’s at DH. Rick Hahn also wanted Andrew Benintendi in the Chris Sale trade back in 2016 but had to ‘settle’ for Yoan Moncada, Michael Kopech and others.
Rick Hahn has the pieces to get a deal done which should satisfy Chaim Bloom without significantly impacting the White Sox MLB core or the very top of their prospect list. Those pieces could include a MLB player like SP Reynaldo Lopez, a young White Sox reliever like Codi Heuer or Matt Foster, backup C Zack Collins and/or a prospect just outside the top-100 list that might include near MLB ready SP Jonathan Stiever or one of their recent highly regarded prep arms.
Many consider Benintendi to be a “sell-low” trade candidate. The White Sox also have one in Lopez who is 6 months older but has one extra year of arbitration eligibility remaining (3 versus 2). Both were elite prospects who have shown flashes of excellence in MLB but have been less impressive over their past two seasons. Many fans, including those in Chicago, forget that following the 2018 season, it was Lopez who looked to be more of the ace pitcher they received from the Nats in the 2016 Adam Eaton trade than Lucas Giolito. 2018 also happened to be Benintendi’s apex year with the Red Sox.
Some Boston fans insist that Bloom should wait until the trade deadline or next offseason before selling low on Benintendi. That’s under the presumption that he reverts back to the 2018 version in 2021. If Benintendi doesn’t or gets hurt, he will have less value in July or next winter and with only one more full season of ‘potential’ arbitration control in 2022. If ‘Beni’ blows in 2021 like he did in 2020, he would be a definite non-tender candidate next December and the Red Sox would get zilch for him.
Bruin1012
As someone that has watched nearly all Red Sox games since 10d came up I can tell you a couple of things about him.
1) He tried to bulk up after the 2018 season to increase his power potential as well as increase his launch angle which I believe hurt his bat quickness and was just foreign to him.
2) He got injured in the last half of 2019 which seemed to cause him to fall of tremendously.
3) He was asked to hit lead off in 2019 and really didn’t fare well he looked quite uncomfortable doing it.
4). He actually looked really good in 2020 spring training before it was all closed down and looked to really have that sweet line drive swing back. I was looking forward to seeing the old 10d.
5) He got injured again in the 2020 season and hold literally no credence on the 2020 season at all.
My conclusion is simply this if someone is willing to trade pitching based on his 2018 performance and is looking past his second half 2019 and 2020 when he was clearly injured then that’s reasonable for Bloom to do. If they are going to trade him for the trash most of these trade proposals have for him then it is better to just keep him. I will be surprised if Bloom ultimately trades him unless one of two things they are blown away by an offer or Cora has told Bloom he doesn’t want 10d as someone suggested earlier. I highly doubt that Cora doesn’t want a healthy Beni so my guess he doesn’t get traded.
KD17
Great summary of 10d’s last several years. He came to Boston with an uncanny ability to barrel up the ball. The Red Sox brilliant coaching staff messed with his entire being. They changed his game completely. His body type went from quickness, speed and a contact hitter with some power to a guy who can’t make contact but can hit a few more home runs and his quickness is gone thanks to the additional muscle mass that wasn’t offset with additional agility training.
The original 10d had a future as a guy like Verdugo. Let’s hope they don’t screw up Verdugo too. Right now, 10d really has no value since he’s not league average. based on performance. 10d’s fans, however, know you don’t lose hand eye coordination unless you have optical issues so he needs to change the body type back to his original body type, he needs to read Ted Williams book about hitting to all fields and looking for pitches and most importantly he needs to regain his confidence in himself and his abilities. As far as Cora not wanting him, that’s a blessing because the man is an idiot so it confirms that 10d has talent!!
Bruin1012
Honestly KD I think Beni knew that. He looked way better during early spring training much slimmer and barreling balls. I think he will have a big turnaround season this year rather it’s with Boston or someone else. At this point it looks like someone else and I think whatever team gets him will not regret it.
Aaron Sapoznik
The latest rumors since these comments were posted seem to indicate a deal for Benintendi is very likely this week. If that’s the case, I’m sticking with a highly motivated contender like the White Sox to meet Chaim Bloom’s asking price, especially since they are among the few who could offer MLB or near MLB ready pitching depth to the Red Sox, pitchers who have significantly longer team control than the 2 years Benintendi holds.
Rsox
I would love to see Benintendi for Laureano or Canha but that seems unlikely.
That said i don’t see Lopez/Collins getting it done either. Lopez is probably not better than Pivetta and Collins is a bat-first Catcher with no bat
passed_balls
For Canha, ok. But Laureano, nope.
Alexander Jones
Fakes injuries and can’t hit baseballs, can’t imagine the Red Sox will have any problem moving him.
bigun
Royals make all kinds of sense. They’re looking for a LH hitting OF. They have a boat load of pitching in their system. Just hope they don’t give up the next John Smoltz.
Bosox2013
Honestly, does it even matter? There farm is so depleted that a player like AB isn’t worth hanging on to if it nets you some pitching talent. Has anything this organization done since trading Betts indicated that they are seriously trying to compete? No, they are stuck in this weird limbo between rebuilding and mediocrity.
KD17
Farm system depleted? You mean the top end of the farm system graduated and the middle moved to the top and isn’t that well known. A year ago folks thought Houck sucked as a prospect and now look at him. The same old BS has been spouted about the farm system for years and all it does is keep providing starters to the Red Sox line-up.
You may want to consider reading up on why a farm system exists. Contrary to popular belief it’s not to thump your chest over how many top 100 prospects you have!!
The farm system provides resources to the major league team. The resources can be used in trades or they can graduate and help the MLB team. Starting with Bogaerts, the Red Sox have added value to the major league roster more consistently than any other team in the last 10 years. That makes their farm system the BEST in baseball despite not having the top 100 prospects you desire. Their system actually provides value, it’s not a source of false pride.
I completely agree with you on the limbo that exists. Hire a small time GM for a big time organization and this was bound to happen.
Bosox2013
2020 farm system ranked at 25, I take that for what it is. It’s not about chest thumping it’s about the Red Sox not having enough talented depth in the organization to fill vacancies on the MLB roster.
Bob Sacamano 310
Benintendi for Reynaldo Lopez straight up. Each guy has had a solid/good year or two. Change of scenery for both.
Bruin1012
Pass
eyeball710
Pass too. Sox have already tried the Mazara thing once.
Aaron Sapoznik
Andrew Benintendi fits the current White Sox batting order much better than Nomar Mazara who was non-tendered last month. The White Sox have enough power and would benefit from a hitter with better contact, OBP and base running skills. Benintendi’s speed and defense in LF would also be a huge upgrade over what Eloy Jimenez provides. It would also be an upgrade over what a more expensive FA like Michael Brantley could offer. Acquiring Benintendi would allow the White Sox to allocate more DH PA’s to Jimenez, particularly versus RHP when AB would start in LF.
Hudson6
I have seen a lot of comments here mentioning how Benintendi’s speed would be an asset to their team. Didn’t the article just say that he has gone from well above average to below average speed?
Aaron Sapoznik
Many Red Sox fans have mentioned that Benintendi bulked up in recent years which may have contributed to his decline in speed. That could change with a different team.
My comment didn’t claim that Benintendi offered plus speed. It suggested that his speed, athleticism, base running skills and defense in LF would be an upgrade over that of Nomar Mazara, Eloy Jimenez and what FA Michael Brantley might provide.
The White Sox don’t need a bulked-up power hitting Benintendi in their current batting order. They would prefer the pre-2019 version of him and could potentially make that happen with their hitting coaches and training staff.
Bruin1012
Aaron the reality is yes 10d bulked going into the 2019 season and was trying to increase power by taking advantage of the launch angle revolution. This didn’t work for him he was at his best when he was line to line line drive hitter that didn’t strike out much and made a lot of line drive contact. The Boston media was calling him Benny Biceps because he had bulked up so much.
The one thing that most people probably don’t remember is in 2020 beginning of spring training he was much slimmer he looked very good looked really good like he was going back to his line drive to all fields swing. Unfortunately the Pandemic happened and everything was shut down for months Benny got injured and that was that. I believe he is a candidate for huge turnaround and if another team gets him they will reap the rewards. It’s looking more and more like Boston is trading him I just hope Bloom holds out for something that a combo of 2018 and 2019 would get you. I don’t think Bloom will give him away. The other thing Cora did was bat him lead off when he clearly was not comfortable doing that. I believe he was mismanaged in 2019 as well as injured and definitely injured in 2020. If the White Sox do get him I think they will love him.
Aaron Sapoznik
We already know the the White Sox front office was high on Benintendi in the past with their desire to have him as a prospect centerpiece in the December 2016 Chris Sale trade. Executive VP Kenny Williams and GM Rick Hahn continue to occupy their same roles in 2021.
Benintendi’s left-handed bat and the other skills he has shown would also fit nicely into the White Sox current batting order. It’s also clear that Benintendi would not be needed as a leadoff hitter with the White Sox. The club is just fine with Tim Anderson in that role provided he continues to produce a high BA which is the primary reason he has a sufficient OBP. The ChiSox are also not lacking for future leadoff candidates with Nick Madrigal and Luis Robert down the road. Each of them hit leadoff for most of their minor league prep time with Madrigal shifting to the #2 role when he and Robert were minor league teammates. If Anderson sustains an injury at some point this season and manager Tony La Russa is hesitant about pushing Robert or Madrigal into the leadoff role, recently acquired RF Adam Eaton could slide into the #1 spot. Eaton was the White Sox leadoff hitter during his earlier stay and produced his best MLB season as one in 2016.
Finally, Benintendi is also young enough to become a potential core piece for a White Sox team that figures to be serious championship contenders beyond his remaining two years of control. If he is acquired and regains his pre-2019 form the White Sox would not hesitate in offering him a contract extension like they have already done with the majority of their young position players.
JoeBrady
the reality is yes 10d bulked going into the 2019 season
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I remember reading the scouting report when he was drafted. It mentioned that, unlike some other draftees, he had already filled out his frame, so not to expect the usual growth some prospects experience. He’s listed at 5’9″. and there might be some limits to how big you can get.
Cambio
The Mariners are the surprise team and the discussion is for Justin Dunn (SP).
That is my guess.
whyhayzee
One of those clubs “has discussed trading big-league pitching depth for Benintendi,”
Big-league pitching depth.
Fascinating.
Aaron Sapoznik
That could be the White Sox, especially after signing Liam Hendriks to close. The ChiSox might part with a young bullpen power arm like Codi Heuer or Matt Foster. Chicago also has a sell-low SP in Reynaldo Lopez who, like Benintendi, has struggled since 2018. Lopez is about 6 months older than Benintendi but has one more year of arbitration control. A change of scenery could benefit both players. White Sox backup C Zack Collins is another piece who might interest the Red Sox.
Bruin1012
I could see Heuer and Stiever for 10d. Stiever sounds potentially like a back end rotation arm and Heuer is a young power bullpen arm I could see something like that working out for 10d.
JoeBrady
I’d consider that. Benni can be replaced easy enough. It would be in the ballpark of trading Benni for Eddie Rosario and two legit RPs. Or the same trade, but for JBJ ++, and maybe adding $2M more in payroll.
Benni could still respond really well, but the RS would still be getting value in return.
Bruin1012
I honestly think 10d is going to have a really good year this year probably I think he will abandon the launch angle thing and be like the 2018 version. I hope that the Red Sox keep him but it looks more and more like they trading him for pitching so I would like them to target a another young cost controlled guy that’s ready to eat innings now with some upside and hopefully a young power arm. I don’t think Bloom is going to trade just to trade him so if you don’t get what you want walk away. As for Beni you can throw out 2020 completely and he should be valued on a cross between the 2018 and 2019 version or just don’t trade him.
Aaron Sapoznik
I’m kicking myself for even suggesting it, but with the Red Sox seeking pitching and outfield depth for Benintendi one would thing Adam Engel’s name would come into play as part of a package going back to Boston from the White Sox. As the ChiSox 4th outfielder, Engel is set to play a very important role in Chicago as the less side platoon in RF with Adam Eaton, the late inning defensive replacement for Eloy Jimenez in LF and the primary backup in CF if Luis Robert needs a rest or gets hurt.
Engel would be an intriguing option in the Red Sox outfield, especially in Fenway’s tough CF and RF. He was a CF Gold Glove finalist in 2018 and has enough defensive highlights to fill a 60-minute show all by himself. Engel has also improved his hitting in every season with his apex in 2020 when he also played more RF because of the debut of AL Rookie of the Year and Gold Glove winner Robert.
Engel has hit much better versus left-handed pitching which would probably make him a CF/RF platoon option in Boston depending on who becomes the Red Sox CF and where Alex Verdugo ultimately winds up as a result. Outside of his defensive prowess and blazing speed, Engel also has surprising power which could result in more doubles or HR’s depending on how high he pulls his fly balls to LF. One thing is certain. Engel’s speed will not result in too many line singles off the Green Monster.
As for team control, Engel still has 3 years of arbitration eligibility despite being 29 year old, something that also factors in favorably when determining his overall value.
The White Sox are probably reluctant to move Engel due to his expected role on the team in 2021. However, if he becomes a deal breaker in a potential trade for Benintendi I can see Rick Hahn including him in a package along with a surplus ChiSox pitcher the Red Sox covet.
Aaron Sapoznik
* AL rookie phenom who won a Gold Glove. Robert came up a bit short in his bid for ROY with his September slump at the dish.
Le Grande Orangerie
Benintendi to Toronto for Hernandez and Pearson.
BlueJaysMania
? Worst trade proposal I’ve ever heard.
its_happening
Don’t mind Special Ed. Just trying to rile up the Blue Jays fans. Pay no mind list.
Perksy
Maybe just for Pearson
its_happening
Well played.
Le Grande Orangerie
Has to be an outfielder going back with team control for Sox to make a deal within the division. If not Hernandez and Pearson, both of whom are unproven players. then Biggio, Pearson and Manoah. In that case perhaps Sox add a low A flyer.
Hudson6
Seriously? Biggio, Pearson AND Manoah? Benintendi wouldn’t get you close to even 1 of those 3.
niedenfuer92
Going to Minnesota for Dobnak, Devin Smeltzer and cash considerations
bencole
Isn’t Minnesota’s overwhelming need pitching? And didn’t they just non-tender a perfectly good Eddie Rosario for about the same amount of money?
niedenfuer92
Benintendi has way more upside than Rosario does in my opinion. I wouldn’t say their starting rotation is a glaring need, they could re-sign odorizzi and solidify that rotation.
mlb1225
I think if the Twins had the option to trade a pitcher who was pretty solid for them last year (Dobnak) for an outfield who’s struggled in the last two years or to just use Kiriloff in left, they’ll choose the ladder. Not like Benintendi has ever set the world on fire since arriving in the majors and a career 107 OPS+ hitter isn’t a must have, especially with Kiriloff on hand who’s done fairly well at every level of the minors, can’t be a league average hitter.
Todd Kemmerer
Could benny go to pirates for Musgrove package
mlb1225
That’d be a very dissapointing trade on the Pirates’ end. Musgrove can easily bring back a top 100 prospect at the very least. If the Red So aren’t tossing in Jeter Downs or Tristian Casas, then it’s not worth it.
Aaron Sapoznik
Yes. The Pirates would be foolish to trade one of their last remaining veterans with plus value for a player with only two year of team control left. The control with Andrew Benintendi is hardly cheap either, especially by Pittsburgh’s standards. He will earn $6.6MM in 2021 in the second year of his $10MM extension and then even more in 2022 in his final season of arbitration eligibility.
Additionally, Chaim Bloom would be reluctant to include decent prospects in any trade. He’s trying to IMPROVE a bottom-10 farm system while also attempting to reload the Red Sox MLB roster enough to become contenders in 2021. If and when he trades Benintendi it figures to be for young MLB pieces, MLB ready prospects or some combination of the two.
Bruin1012
Pass
niedenfuer92
Those guys can give the bosox a hell of a lot more quality innings than whatever you have on the back end of the rotation now. The Sox are terrible.
Bruin1012
The Red Sox were 3-14 versus Yankees and Tampa in the unbalanced season they were .500 against the rest of there schedule. They weren’t good but they sure did play probably the toughest unbalanced schedule. Also remember they didn’t have there two best starters last year just getting Erod and Sale back will bring them to at least a .500 team assuming they are healthy. They aren’t terrible just bad injuries last year.
I’m not sure I agree with you on the back of the rotation Houck looked pretty good. I just think 10d was injured last year I expect a nice turnaround this year I would pass on your trade proposal if I’m Bloom but who knows.
dankrech
Be Nintendo to Toronto for Trent Thornton
Diggydugler
Jays have no room in the OF (or DH), they need a defensive CF i suppose and then they could fire Grichuk into the sun.
NBE
Cardinals need to do this big time.
Another match is the Diamondbacks.
Yep it is
Same article 3rd post. Oh yeah it’s Boston. I forgot. Next up Benni scheduled to use the restroom. Details at 8:00
leftcoast11 - pyramidsuccess
Angels need lh hitters,Madden says Adell needs more work in the minors. I don’t watch a lot of NESN to be very honest.So I don’t really know how intrenching his slump really is.A lot of scouts say he can rake and he doesn’t chase.6 million and we would accomplish two big obvious holes other then pitching with a LH stick and OF depth.We have prob 25 guys who could be in the top 20-30 prospects.We have a ton of pitching in the minors and numbers 20-50 prospects are very close in talent with arms and athletes sprinkled throughout the organization.What if AB remembers who he is and starts mashing again?With the minor leagues shorting up,I would think they have the assets for a 26 yr old LH w/ decent wheels and glove.Trout needs help,this could work if we got 2018 Benintendi back.
802Ghost
Atlanta sends Wright & touki toussaint for Benny
Keithbw22
Benny for Forrest Whittley? Who says no?
KD17
A former starter that has failed two years in a row for their top prospect. NO.
Wright for Benny. NO
Touki for Benny. Best chance of the three proposals.
Wright and Touki for Benny? Less chance than Whitley!!
Reverse the poor coaching given Benny and see what he looks like. If he can’t get the magic back, cut him. He has no value at that point. Right now, he has next to no value.
802Ghost
It’s going to take more than Touki to get Benny. Especially if there are multiple teams interested.
ncbravesfan95
Braves send Newcomb Ender Freddy Tarnok and Greyson Jensita for Benny and Barnes
whosehighpitch
Rhys Hoskins, Vinnie V, Adonis Medina and Odubel
ironcity341
To the reds for Gray and a prospect
iggystrummer
Was thinking the Reds might be the team considering Benintendi is a hometown boy and they want to unload Gray. Send Winker along too for a prospect
its_happening
For those thinking you are buying low, aim lower. If this report by Feinsand is true the team negotiating with the Red Sox has the leverage. We shall see.
whyhayzee
Commissioner Manfred has mandated that there will be 162 rumors about a Benintendi trade.
stan lee the manly
I predict the Blue Jays will finally land a player.
bobtillman
They’ll land 40 of them flying into Dunedin.
Aaron Sapoznik
LOL!
Le Grande Orangerie
MLBTR now saying trade by the end of the weekend. Tears are beginning to form in Blue Jays’ fans’ eyes. The toys are about to be launched from strollers.
PierogiesAgainstCharlieHayes
Change of scenery would do him good. Come on Ben bring Beni to the ‘Burgh!!!
bobtillman
350 some odd comments on an article speculating about a trade of a “meh” Red Sox player….Red Sox Nation lives….for a while.
JoeBrady
I was thinking the same thing. For as large as NY is, the RS could change their hot dog vendors and draw a larger crowd.
Aaron Sapoznik
Much of this commentary is stemming from fans of other teams who would love to see Benintendi with their beloved. That would include yours truly who wouldn’t mind seeing Beni’s left-handed bat in a White Sox lineup that can use more balance and in a LF/DH time share with Eloy Jimenez where he can play better defense out on the grass.
angt222
He’d make a nice fit for HOU.
Aaron Sapoznik
He would unless the Astros re-sign Michael Brantley who is their top priority. Even though Brantley might require more time in the DH role as he ages, re-upping with Brantley won’t cost them assets like a Benintendi trade. Boston is prioritizing MLB or MLB ready pitching and outfield depth in a trade for Benni which is something Houston doesn’t exactly have in spades as we post.
Rangers29
Tbh, I want the Astros to get him. I – unlike many others – don’t hate the Astros (just because my other family members like them). I kind of want to see what they look like without Springer and Brantley (possibly), and with the addition of Benintendi along with the return of Alvarez and Tucker. Still a dang good team over there in H-town.
CJ81
Cards fan here, just looking for opinions because I thought Benintendi may look good with thd Cardinals, but then looking at the last 2 years I’m wondering if he’s even an upgrade. Would you rather have Benintendi (1 year plus 1 arb year) or Tyler Oneil (1year of control then 3 arb years left)?
BeanTownsBest38
I don’t understand this move. Unless they have been trying to lock him up and he has been unwilling? I can’t imagine the return would be very much, I keep hearing “prospects” but given Benny’s limited time in the show, what we’ve seen (not including last years injury riddled season) that he might be worth as much as those prospects? Just two years ago our outfield was looking towards the “future” with the Killer B’s. Betts, Benny, and Bradley Jr. We traded Betts, (smacks forehead) and now we’re giving up on Benny?
Safe to assume sox are hoping Sale recovers quick enough and shows immediate results so they can ship him out too. No real clear path as to which this team is headed.
Dunk Dunkington
he has solid value, high upside along with 2 years control remaining. He is likely going to bounce back in 2021 and still affordable.
paindonthurt
He is an average player they will seek more than an average return for.
soxshortstop
Crap..now what do I do with my Benintendi jersey……$125 down the drain with all those Betts jerseys. Never buy a current player…Ted Williams, Rice, Pedroia, Ortiz, etc.
bigpapi99
The Sox are trading Benintendi just to save some $ to hire JBJ back who at least can still catches and is not getting any offers out there. While doing that, they will get some so so prospect….not that complicated.
JoeBrady
That’s about what I think. With Verdugo’s play in LF, and Renfroe’s play in RF, if the RS could get a CF identical to Benni irt to talent and cost, they would do it automatically, since it fits better. So even if JBJ costs a little more than Benni, it would still make sense.
If they could land a middling prospect, or a good BP arm, all the more reason to make the move. It’s why I like Inciarte as part of a deal.
Bruin1012
The Red Sox aren’t playing Verdugo in left not a chance. His arm is way to valuable in right. Renfroe is a surprisingly good defender but right in Fenway is the toughest right field in baseball and Verdugo played it very well if anything Renfroe would play left or possibly Verdugo in center.
JoeBrady
I don’t disagree completely, and I always assumed he’d replace Betts in RF, and could be convinced to have him play CF, but his DRS in LF is about a gazillion.
Bosox2013
Amen
CJ81
This did not cross my mind before, but if they don’t think Benintendi or Verdugo can play an adequate CF then this would totally make sense. They may be able to upgrade CF defense, LF offense, get a prospect or 2, while only sacrificing a little CF offense. That can be done with 2 pretty easy moves.
Dorothy_Mantooth
Lots of decent pitchers had terrible years last year so maybe Chaim can pry one of them loose by offering Benny in a deal. I’m hoping that they get a pitcher (or pitchers) in return for Benny and then immediately sign Rosario to a 3 year deal. He would vastly improve the lineup and there would be minimal difference in OF defense between the two players.
Boston will start spending money soon; the owners want to take the team public (via Fenway Sports Group) so it would behoove them to have a better on-field product should they choose to do so. They’ll probably delay this until COVID is in the rearview mirror and fans are allowed back at full capacity, but they’ll still need a competitive product in order to maximize their IPO value. I hope this deal gets done quickly so they can start adding the missing pieces ASAP. The FA market is just about to heat up and they can’t afford to miss it.
JoeBrady
Do you post under a different name in a much smaller RS forum? Your writing forensics are very similar to someone else I know, whom I have the upmost respect for.
Just to go on record, your responses fall into two categories:
1-I agree.
2-I disagree, but still find the opinion I disagree with to be informative and compelling.
Kellen66
Benintendi for Musgrove… Plus whatever on either side to even out.
Rangers29
Boston would have to include more, but I like the idea. Maybe Song and then one lower lotto guy?
JoeBrady
As a RS fan, and I am not bagging on Benni, but for that trade, I’ll drive Benni to PT myself. I also like Song a lot, but the naval commitment is scary. Better the bird in the bush.
Willy
What is wrong with this site? The original article is a mess and unreadable yet you click on the link, to the main page and everything is fine.
cdr9er
Give up on him after one bad full season and then injury season, but keep Blake swhihart until he’s worth nothing…
JoeBrady
I told the RS FO, ‘you gotta get a new magic ball’. but they didn’t listen. FWIW, I also told them that cdrger could predict the future, but I presume they didn’t contact you?
cdr9er
Okkkk Dilbert