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Does Trevor Bauer Have A Case For Gerrit Cole’s AAV?

By Tim Dierkes | January 12, 2021 at 10:25pm CDT

In an article yesterday, MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand made a statistical case that Trevor Bauer’s recent body of work justifies him matching or exceeding the record $36MM average annual value Gerrit Cole received in December 2019.  While it may not be true that Cole and Bauer currently have beef, we can at least say the former UCLA teammates once had a rivalry.  Beating Cole’s AAV record would be a major feat for Bauer and agent Rachel Luba.  But as Homer Simpson once said, “Aw, people can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent.  Forfty percent of all people know that.”  So I set out to see how Feinsand’s claims hold up.

Bauer has had an up-and-down career.  Since 2017, his season ERAs are 4.19, 2.21, 4.48, and 1.73.  Feinsand, who also included Stephen Strasburg in his comparison, mainly focused on each pitcher’s final 90 starts heading into free agency.  Why 90?  Well, a three-season lookback is pretty standard.  A 90-start lookback also happens to be quite convenient for Bauer, as it excludes his rough first half of 2017.

One thing I did not see in Feinsand’s article was any form of a strikeout rate, walk rate, or groundball rate.  Those are the things pitchers do that actually correlate year-to-year.  So here’s that look, with the additional info.  We’ll remove Strasburg, since the question is whether Bauer is worthy of Cole’s AAV record.  (App users can click here to see the 90-start comparison).

Cole had better strikeout and walk rates in his previous 90 starts, which is more important than the ERA difference.  But I was also thinking it’s strange to do a comparison that includes 25 starts from Cole’s 2017 season, his last with the Pirates.  Upon joining the Astros in a January 2018 trade, Cole famously changed his pitch mix and approach, to drastically improved results.  So how would a Bauer-Cole comparison look over the previous 60 starts?  (App users can click here to see the 60-start comparison).

Even though this window excludes Cole’s first five starts of 2018, which were dominant, it further accentuates the differences between the two hurlers.  They’re both strikeout pitchers.  But what Cole did in his walk year – a 39.9 K% – is literally the best in baseball history for a pitcher with at least 100 innings (Cole pitched 212 1/3).  Bauer’s walk year strikeout rate of 36% was historic in its own right – seventh all-time for a qualified starter – but it was only 11 starts due to the 60-game season.  That brings us to one last comparison, one that Feinsand made of each pitcher’s best 11 starts in their walk year (app users click here):

Both dominant stretches, yet Cole’s was clearly better.  If we’re comparing post-2019 Cole to current Trevor Bauer, we can state the following:

  • Cole averaged 97.2 miles per hour on his fastball in his walk year.  Bauer averaged 93.5.
  • On a related note, while both are strong strikeout pitchers, Cole was significantly better for longer.
  • Cole had better control than Bauer.
  • Cole was dominant in two full, consecutive seasons leading up to free agency.  Bauer has never been dominant in two consecutive seasons.
  • Bauer will be 234 days older on 4-1-21 than Cole was on 4-1-20.

On the merits of statistics, I don’t see how one can say that Bauer is better than Cole and therefore deserves a higher AAV.  Feinsand makes a good point, though: if Bauer limits himself to an artificially shorter contract, his AAV should go up from where it would have been had he maxed out the years.  But what is Bauer’s actual years maximum, assuming he won’t take an artificially low AAV like Bryce Harper did?

Given the current state of baseball economics, I’d suggest six.  So to bring enhanced AAVs into play as a reward for an artificially short term, Bauer would probably have to sign for four or fewer years.  Remember, the Dodgers reportedly offered Harper a $45MM AAV on a four-year term.  Instead, he took a $25MM AAV on a 13-year term.

There are several reasons why the Bauer-Cole comparison actually doesn’t matter.  The first is the state of the market in December 2019 compared to the current state of affairs.  All 30 teams brought in significantly smaller amounts of revenue in 2020 than in 2019.  Most of the best free agents remain unsigned, but the ones that did sign exceeded expectations.  It’s an odd combination.  But it’s fair to say market conditions are worse for Bauer than they were for Cole.

The second reason contract comps don’t matter is that free agency is a bidding war.  The goal of every team targeting a free agent is to get that player for as little as possible.  Agents don’t convince teams to spend more money by holding up other free agent contracts from years past.  Generally speaking, teams run circles around agents in statistical chops, anyway.  It’s certainly possible that Luba will be able to get a couple of teams to bid irrationally on Bauer, but it won’t be because of what Cole received.

The last point is that teams don’t pay free agents for what they have done; they pay for what they expect the player to do in the future over the life of the contract.  Again, we have to defer to teams’ superior abilities to forecast what Bauer will do.  They’ll use advanced stats, Statcast data, health history, and proprietary information we’ll never see.  They won’t use ERA, which generally has a year-to-year correlation around 0.4.  But that’s how a team’s GM will approach it.  Signing Bauer is an ownership-level decision, and an owner is unlikely to analyze a potential signing with the same sophistication as the GM.

As Bauer once put it, he and Cole are “intertwined forever.”  The UCLA teammates were drafted two picks apart in 2011 and made their way to MLB free agency coming off fantastic walk years.  But as I see it, Bauer’s current position falls short of where Cole stood when he hit the market in 2019.

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  1. carlos15

    4 years ago

    He’s not worth half of what Cole got.

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    • mlb9229

      4 years ago

      Nope. Honestly I’d be curious to see how much of a landslide an MLBTR poll on this would be

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      • ElGaupo77

        4 years ago

        If Cole didn’t cheat with the Pirates then cheated with the Yankees and is being allowed now to cheat per all the recent articles… Shouldn’t Bauer be allowed to continue cheating? Then Bauer would be worth much of what Cole but doesn’t have the velocity and is older

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        • johnrealtime

          4 years ago

          Yawn. Basically all pitchers use something for grip and have since the beginning of baseball. If the opposing team cared then they’d ask the ump to check the pitcher but they almost never do ( unless it is undeniably blatantly obvious) because they don’t want their pitchers checked

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        • Halo11Fan

          4 years ago

          johnrealtime

          Unless of course you are Frank Robinson. That’s no knock on what you wrote, it’s a knock on Frank Robinson.

          Just Google Robinson Donnelly Guillen

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        • GP John

          4 years ago

          You forgot the Astros which is where he learned how to Cheat!!

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        • fox471 Dave

          4 years ago

          Cheat how?

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        • nik

          4 years ago

          He uses a bio genetically engineered tacky substance built just for him that elevates his spin rate and velocity.

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        • Pads Fans

          4 years ago

          That would be Bauer.

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    • seth3120

      4 years ago

      He’s not worth the 36 over the amount of years Cole received but if he’s truly willing to take that 1-2 year deal I could honestly see it. The risk in Cole’s deal is enormous. Not to say any year you pay 36m for a pitcher isnt a risk but if things go south they can cut ties and hes off the books. There’s a reason players want long term deals. Protection for injury and performance decline mostly. Cole maybe worth 36m a year I find it hard to calculate a players annual value when the figure is so high but does anyone truly think Cole will be worth close to that figure at the end of his deal? I certainly don’t. That’s just what it took for the Yankees to get his prime years and they are in win now mode. Few teams can afford to pay a player that kind of money on the back end when you expect decline or possibly rapid decline. But a 1-2 year deal is much more appealing and I’m sure teams would be willing to take on a handful of millions to avoid the heavy risk that comes with signing someone into their twilight years. Regression is unavoidable to any player no matter how great they may be now

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      • YourDreamGM

        4 years ago

        No known pitcher is worth cole money. They put fans in seats only every 5 or 6 days. One tj and they miss two playoffs.

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        • smuzqwpdmx

          4 years ago

          Fans come the other days for the fact that the team is in the playoff race thanks to the ace. There’s risk, but if you could guarantee health and non-decline then Cole would be making $50M/yr.

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        • nik

          4 years ago

          He’s worth deGrom money and deGrom is worth Cole money.

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    • Loling @ you

      4 years ago

      Cole is not even worth what he got.

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      • Avory

        4 years ago

        Bingo. People like complain about owners who refuse to spend when the real complaints should be reserved for idiotic spending like Cole’s contract. If the Yankees lose DJ because they signed Cole and want to stay under the luxury tax, they get what they deserve.

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        • costergaard2

          4 years ago

          The Yankees will hit and field just fine without DJL, they need more pitching…

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    • rizdakc99

      4 years ago

      I could see 4 / $120MM with an option to throw the last year over the center field wall.

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    • 377194

      4 years ago

      Bauer sign with the Mets for half of Cohen’s billions.

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  2. harrystyles

    4 years ago

    angels just signed him for 6 years/$96m

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    • bravesiowafan

      4 years ago

      Put down the meth

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  3. TXCubfan

    4 years ago

    It’s not even a discussion. Cole is a far better pitcher than Bauer. Plus Cole knows how to handle a drone.

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    • philliesphan77

      4 years ago

      Zing!

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    • Halo11Fan

      4 years ago

      You do realize they are talking about AAV… right? Length of contract is EVERYTHING.

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  4. circaflex

    4 years ago

    No.

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  5. Not Xabial

    4 years ago

    TLDR: no

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  6. Diggydugler

    4 years ago

    no

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  7. Dunk Dunkington

    4 years ago

    Simply no.

    No Dunks for Bauer.

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  8. Caleb Clark

    4 years ago

    I’m just hoping that Bauer resigns with Cincinnati, although I have fears that he will sign elsewhere.

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    • Dunk Dunkington

      4 years ago

      There is zero chance he signs back with the Reds, and you should be fearing a fire sale more.

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  9. Diggydugler

    4 years ago

    I think you answered your own question right there in the post. “Cole was significantly better for longer.”

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  10. bbatardo

    4 years ago

    Bauer is the type of pitcher any team could use, but not the type of pitcher a team wants to open the vault for. Besides inconsistency his personality and online presence has to concern some teams.

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  11. Mario93

    4 years ago

    Umm… that’s a hell no on that one.

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  12. Halo11Fan

    4 years ago

    We are talking abut AAV. If Bauer signs for three years, he’ll get a higher AAV. If he signs for six, he likely wont.

    Dierkes is right… “Bauer would probably have to sign for four or fewer years.”

    I wouldn’t mind one bit if the Angels signed him for three years at 110 million.

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    • Perksy

      4 years ago

      So you think he can get like 3/$115m?

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      • Halo11Fan

        4 years ago

        36 X 3 = 108. Right?

        So that would mean 110. Yes, if he wants a three year deal he can get 110. If he takes a three year contract he’ll break the 36 million AAV mark.

        I would guess he’d break the mark at four years as well. Four years, 135 million.

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        • Vizionaire

          4 years ago

          angels have only $30 mil before arbitration.

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        • Halo11Fan

          4 years ago

          You mean before the luxury limit? They’ll be under next year after the Pujols contract.

          Now is a good time to go over the limit. If they could get that contract and a couple RPs, they should do it.

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        • Vizionaire

          4 years ago

          i agree but the question is whether arte would. he has been showing aversion to it recently.

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    • jdgoat

      4 years ago

      That’s the key. I’d be willing to roll the dice on him for three years for almost whatever he wanted. But to lock him up for any longer than that, he better be giving a pretty good discount considering he’s barely a sub 4.00 ERA pitcher. You can only pay for so much potential until you’re taking an entirely unnecessary risk.

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      • Technically correct

        4 years ago

        Didn’t you read the article? ERA generally has a year-to-year correlation around forfty percent.

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    • bot

      4 years ago

      Halo is spot on. 1/40 mil still makes a ton of sense to me. He’d be the highest paid player in the league which fits into his ego.

      The second largest factor is cost of living. Compare taxes and cost of living in NYC to Tampa. Cole spends millions more to live and play there than he would in Tampa.

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      • Vizionaire

        4 years ago

        tax differences are peanuts. advertisement differences are huge!

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        • morritl

          4 years ago

          Stanton lost 24 million over the term of his contract when he was traded to NY. That’s quit a lot.

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        • Vizionaire

          4 years ago

          how much did he make in ads?

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        • morritl

          4 years ago

          I’m not from NY to see how much attention he gets. Don’t see him much nationally for ads though so would doubt it makes up the 24 million.

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        • morritl

          4 years ago

          2019 looks like he had around 2 million in endorsements. Baseball players don’t seem to get marketed like other athletes.

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        • saluelthpops

          4 years ago

          Plus, I would assume the opportunities are more vast when a player is consistently on the field.

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        • fox471 Dave

          4 years ago

          Really? Tax differences are peanuts. I have lived in CA, NV, and OR. Believe me, tax differences are filet mignon, not peanuts.

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    • JohnJasoJingleHeimerSchmidt

      4 years ago

      In normal economic conditions, where 1 win = ~8M, Bauer would need to be worth about 4.6 WAR each season in order to justify that contract.

      In the current state, teams aren’t paying as much for wins, so a generous 6M/win would require Bauer to be worth 6.1 WAR EVERY season of that contract, or at least an average.

      If you think Bauer is going to be worth 18.3 wins over the next three seasons, then I have some nice oceanfront real estate in North Dakota for you.

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      • GASoxFan

        4 years ago

        Why does 1 win of war = 8 million? Completely unsupported both by what war represents and what team payrolls or cbt are.

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        • JohnJasoJingleHeimerSchmidt

          4 years ago

          There are dozens upon dozens of articles by reputable baseball writers that suggest that player value equals around $8-9M per win.

          Just because you’re not intelligent enough to run a quick Google search regarding player value doesn’t mean the argument is “unsupported”.

          And of course team payrolls don’t reflect this… mostly because teams can get players for cheaper than 8M per win.

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    • Mystery Team

      4 years ago

      Trevor Bauer is not going to get paid that kind of money by any team. He’s a 2 year between 45 and 50 million dollar pitcher if that. This is the same guy that threw the ball over the centerfield wall during a game. What if he flakes out and throws the ball over the fence with a guy on third in a close game? All awards literally meant nothing last year because we can always say ‘well he only pitched this many games so what would have happened in a full season?’ and I would agree with that.

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      • Ducky Buckin Fent

        4 years ago

        Lol

        “What if he flakes out and throws the ball over the fence with a guy on third in a close game?”
        Do you honestly think that’s really a possibility? I don’t think anyone else in the world does. So there’s that.

        Bro. Bauer threw the ball away when the manager was coming out to pull him. Wish I’d’ve thought of doing that, serious.

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    • Scotty2hotty

      4 years ago

      It’s difficult to compare Cole’s contract given the length, but if we look at a comparative high quality pitchers on a short term deal I think of Clayton Kershaw’s 3/$93m extension in 2018/19.
      Kershaw was coming off of multiple years of consistent performance at the highest level, and CY-Young contention year after year.
      Like Cole, Bauer isn’t the pitcher Kershaw is either, and a deal exceeding his doesn’t seem warranted. But that doesn’t mean he won’t get it.

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  13. njbirdsfan

    4 years ago

    Amazing how much money teams are willing to throw at guys whose entire resume is built on trash cans, foreign substances and eyebrow raising spin rates.

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    • ohyeadam

      4 years ago

      It pays to cheat. Don’t forget to tell your kids the MLB let’s cheaters cheat and rewards them for it.

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      • DT.J.B.

        4 years ago

        You still need to work insanely hard and be like top 1000ish talented to make it far enough where cheating pays off, it’s not like these guys are where they are based purely on doctoring a ball

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  14. SJKinMD

    4 years ago

    If he’s willing to take a shorter term deal, it will be interesting to see if some team would offer 3/110.

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  15. yanksfan2010

    4 years ago

    Not at all, Cole has a long track record of pitching well and Bauer does not, it is not even close to the same

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    • Nick Baratta

      4 years ago

      As a yankees fan this comment made me laugh ceiling wise cole has reached it more often, but niether has been consistent. Any even remote look at trade rumors regarding both players and ignoring all statistics would show this….

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  16. svetlana

    4 years ago

    Both of them can’t even be called as a”pitcher.” They are just throwers (and cheaters).

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  17. gbs42

    4 years ago

    Tim, thanks for making this comparison. It’s nice to see this kind of work. It drives home the point that Cole is significantly better – and therefore more valuable – than Bauer.

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    • Halo11Fan

      4 years ago

      GBs, I don’t think the argument is that Bauer is better than Cole or will get the contract value of Cole. It’s all about AAV.

      If my Angels wanted to pay him 110 over three years, I’d much rather have that contact than nine years of Cole.

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      • gbs42

        4 years ago

        Fair point. I think your comment elsewhere about a max of 4 years to beat Cole’s AAV seems about right.

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  18. Bigtimeyankeefan

    4 years ago

    There is no comparison between the two… Bauer is a solid pitcher , but over his career he is a number 2 starter, just look at his numbers. Did he have a great year last year? Sure but what did he make 11 starts? Cmon, let’s see those numbers over 32 starts and I’ll change my mind

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    • Marty McRae

      4 years ago

      The fallacy of “salary = stats” is one you really have to let go, my friend. It’s never ever going to line up the way you want it to.

      Bauer has shown a #1 ace ceiling every season he’s been in the bigs. At best he’s easily an ace. You are denying this fact. He’s not been consistent with it, true, but at minimum he gets a 2/70 deal this offseason because of it.

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      • lolzmets

        4 years ago

        Have you been eating good Marty McGravy? Hefty Hefty Hefty!

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      • rct

        4 years ago

        @Marty: “Bauer has shown a #1 ace ceiling every season he’s been in the bigs.”

        This is not true at all. When did he show ‘ace ceiling’ in 2015, 2016, 2017, and 2019? A couple of starts here and there don’t count, by the way. Almost every pitcher in baseball cam string together 4-5 good starts.

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  19. sandman12

    4 years ago

    All we know for certain is that the Yankees will deeply regret the Cole contract in a few years or less … as will any team that signs Bauer for the long term.

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    • Nick Baratta

      4 years ago

      signed the sandman who dominated into his 40’s good one lol

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  20. Petey Pablo

    4 years ago

    Not even close. Speaking from experience he has maybe amongst the worst reputations in the industry as far as being a teammate. Nobody in the industry really wants to touch him and his baggage. Someone desperate late maybe.

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  21. PitcherMeRolling

    4 years ago

    Sure he can match Cole’s AAV. But, it’ll only be a 1 year contract.

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  22. VonPurpleHayes

    4 years ago

    It’s the typical case of a slightly overrated pitcher becoming underrated because everyone keeps talking about how overrated he is. Bauer is trending up and shows signs of becoming an ace. That being said, Cole is one of the best, so I don’t think they should making the same AAV.

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    • Ma4170

      4 years ago

      I keep saying his best market comp is Corbin… up and down, but trending up, w ace upside in good years… what did Corbin end up with? 6/140?

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  23. chip chipperson

    4 years ago

    Bauer never had the makings of a varsity athlete- CS

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    • rct

      4 years ago

      Broooodal assessment, brotherman.

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      • chip chipperson

        4 years ago

        Leave it alone man

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    • its_happening

      4 years ago

      Varsity athlete pekahs or somefin…

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      • chip chipperson

        4 years ago

        Fukien home run! My mudda says Lamar has an pekah like a NBA star must make good jump shots or sumtin

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  24. angels fan 3

    4 years ago

    While I do want the Angels to sign him he is not worth the highest AAV. He’s had 1 great season and 1 good 2020 season where he faced the central only. Last season he got his two complete game shutouts from 7 inning doubleheader’s. The teams he faced were all in the bottom third in runs scored in all of Baseball with the exception of the White Sox who he faced once.

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    • Halo11Fan

      4 years ago

      Angel fan, so if the Angels signed him for three years at 110 million, you’d have a problem with that?

      I wouldn’t.

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      • angels fan 3

        4 years ago

        I would have a problem with that. The Angels payroll would exceed the luxury tax (or close to it) when it is likely the Angels would want to add 2 starters and I would think at least one more bullpen arm.

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    • jdgoat

      4 years ago

      That’s a great point. You can’t fault him for shutting down the teams he did, but you can definitely question how much his numbers may fall when the competition in a new division improves.

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  25. whyhayzee

    4 years ago

    Foreign substance man is a cheater and the yankees always pay a premium for cheaters. So there’s that.

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    • Vizionaire

      4 years ago

      every pitcher, except one, i had watched this past season was using it. maybe that one guy was a master of disguise.

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      • whyhayzee

        4 years ago

        “But mooooooooommmmmmmmm, all the other kids are doing it”, says every 5 year old.

        Not making fun of your comment just human nature.

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    • Priggs89

      4 years ago

      “Foreign substance man” literally told the league that it wasn’t possible to have these kind of spin increases you are seeing without cheating. They did nothing absolutely about it, so he joined in. That’s 100% on the league, not him.

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    • Pads Fans

      4 years ago

      Bauer literally wrote a treatise on how to cheat using a foreign substance. Said he practices with different substances at Driveline. Yup. Bauer is a cheater.

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  26. LordD99

    4 years ago

    Bauer deserves whatever AAV he can get.

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    • Halo11Fan

      4 years ago

      You are worth whatever someone is willing to pay.

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  27. 8

    4 years ago

    He’s not that great. Would rather have Anibal Sanchez. Cheap, decent and not an annoying 2 year old.

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  28. Jeff Zanghi

    4 years ago

    You guys are really digging in on strike out rate huh? haha mostly joking… but seriously it just started being used on MLBTradeRumors about a week ago so calling out this article because it “didn’t use them” is a little aggressive lol. In fairness though solid article and I agree with the conclusion for sure.

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    • Halo11Fan

      4 years ago

      As long as the shift is legal, I don’t think strikeout rate is more valuable than HR rate and ground ball rate.

      True, it’s very important to be able to miss bats. especially on pitches in the strike zone, but if a batter hits the ball on the ground in today’s environment, it’s an out.

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      • Ma4170

        4 years ago

        @halo.. tell that to my Mets

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        • GASoxFan

          4 years ago

          Ah, the 2020 Mets…

          Porcello had an FIP in the mid-lower 3.xx, and ended up with an era of the mid to upper 5.xx

          That says everything you need to know about the defense last year.

          At least you know it will be better in 2021.

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        • Jbigz12

          4 years ago

          Porcello’s xWOBA matched his 2019 output when he posted a 5.5 ERA as well. His XBA was .295 compared to a .303 actual BA allowed. The FIP looks okay because he wasn’t susceptible to the long ball last season but the data tells you that FIP number wasn’t particularly close to what he deserved either. Probably deserved an upper 4’s ERA and got one in the Mid 5’s.

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    • Tim Dierkes

      4 years ago

      K/9 would have been fine, it didn’t have to be K% in his article. He didn’t express strikeouts as a rate in any way, and didn’t touch on walks at all.

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  29. explodet

    4 years ago

    This was a lot of work to answer a question that required zero work to answer.

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  30. tigerdoc616

    4 years ago

    Any article that quotes Homer Simpson is a winner in my book 😉

    If all things are equal, and they rarely are, it is pretty clear Bauer comes up short in comparison to Cole. Plus, this market is quite different than Cole’s. Sucks for Bauer to be sure. My guess is he signs a shorter contract than Cole and for less than Cole’s AAV. Partly due to Bauer coming up short in comparison to Bauer, partly do to the market, and partly due to the Yankees not being in on the market for Bauer.

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  31. Larry Leonardo

    4 years ago

    This article is baseless. Cole’s contract was negotiated BC. We are now in the AC period. BC mears before Covid., AC. means after Covid. Apples to apples comparisons do not work.

    This is why big free agents haven”t signed. yet. All the teams took a hit on income last year. No one knows what the future holds…Will all the fannies return to the seats, or will attendance lag? Future income is in question. Will revenue ever be the same ? You cannot give out lucrative long term contracts like Cole’s now given that. Cole got his at just the right time.

    Watch and see.

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    • bot

      4 years ago

      Interested logic. Apparently u missed the absolute fortune Hendriks got paid yesterday ?!

      People come here and act covid has destroyed a mans ability to make money in free agency in baseball. Yet yuge contracts keep getting dished out all the time. The 4 largest markets, LAx2 and NYx2, are all either at or very close to the 210M soft cap. That alone will slow down any free agency year. Then in each year- there’s only a few teams willing to spend anyway.

      BC – All Star and Cy Young award winner Dallas kuechel couldn’t muster an offer worth taking when he became a free agent and had to settle for a mid season prorated 1 year deal.

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    • Tim Dierkes

      4 years ago

      You didn’t read the article though

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    • YourDreamGM

      4 years ago

      I see it Larry. I been saying it for almost a year. Some teams aren’t worried. Padres Dodgers Mets. Depends on owner and tv deal.

      Ny La can survive on tv money. Yankees and angels would have highest payrolls even if they were hurting. They simply have too many unmovable contracts.

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  32. Evan Siggson

    4 years ago

    for a 3-4 year deal yes

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    • Armaments216

      4 years ago

      For a 1 or 2 year deal, probably. For more than 2 years, highly unlikely.

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  33. dman07

    4 years ago

    Lol no way!

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  34. its_happening

    4 years ago

    He’s no Cole. But he’s still getting paid this offseason.

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    • Halo11Fan

      4 years ago

      Mr. Guest. You are right, he will get paid. I don’t think the discussion is about overall contract, he wont touch Cole’s contract. But if he signs for three or four years, he may indeed bust Cole’s AAV.

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      • its_happening

        4 years ago

        I wasn’t discussing it either but thanks for putting words in my mouth to justify your opinion.

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        • Halo11Fan

          4 years ago

          I didn’t put a single word in your mouth.

          But you’ve done that to me. You’ve done it maliciously and inaccurately.

          Everyone can see there was no malice in my post, nor did I put a single “word in your mouth.”

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        • its_happening

          4 years ago

          Your whole shtick is putting words in peoples mouth. But thanks.

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        • Halo11Fan

          4 years ago

          Where did I put words in your mouth with that post? I think people can decide for themselves.

          You’re not credible.

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        • its_happening

          4 years ago

          Oh no another personal attack! The horror!

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  35. CATS44

    4 years ago

    Bauer is the kind of pitcher any team would want to have. In order to build a rotation and total roster, you have to have as close to a factual foundation as possible on which to base decisions.

    With Bauer a team can start with the near certainty that Bauer will pitch every fifth day and is likely to put up 200+ IP. He is physically dependable.

    There is a lot of value to that. In terms of starts, he can anchor a staff.

    But…

    He has not been dependable in terms of production. His career has shown very little consistency…year to year…month to month…even game to game. Except for 2018, Bauer has never put together three better than average months in a row. And he has had stretches where he wasn’t even replacement level.

    And as such, Bauer is a big gamble if you are looking for a pitcher who can anchor your rotation as THE ace.

    There are some off the field considerations….some good, some bad.

    He is a second pitching coach…even a second pitching coordinator…for whatever team has him. That has real value, although no price can be put on it.

    There is a decent chance that he may embarrass the org he ends up with, which carries some negative value, more so in a big media market. So far, Bauer has been sheltered by the teams and media in Ohio. Had he been in NY, Philadelphia, or Boston…

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    • bot

      4 years ago

      Nice unbias post.

      The most important position in baseball is your game one playoff starter- the ace of the staff. What u want in an ace is the ability to pitch a complete game shut out and more throughout the playoffs. To do that- it typically comes w a ton of K’s. And when people hate on Bauer- they never bring up the fact that he strikes out everybody.

      Bauer in his 1 playoff performance gave up 2 hits and walked nine while striking out 12 of 23 batters. And did it against acuna freeman and ozuna ! SERIOUSLY, how many other major leaguers are capable of that !? Anyone out there who says Bauer isn’t any good is just a hater.

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      • Pads Fans

        4 years ago

        Cole strikes out more. Much more. Its not close.

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  36. talkingjunky

    4 years ago

    I feel like Cole’s contract is going to become a sticky situation for The Yankees.

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    • bot

      4 years ago

      I agree. His value was joe musgrove before he played very well in Houston.

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  37. hossmandu

    4 years ago

    Good analysis. One thing that I think a lot of folks forget when talking about free agency, especially starting pitchers, is how the number and quality of FAs available in a given year impacts value.

    Bauer is a FA in a year where the gap between him and the next best FA arm is HUGE.

    This increases his value. In a normal (non-COVID) year he’d be rolling in cash by now.

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    • hossmandu

      4 years ago

      Just took a peek at MLBTRs top 50 list. Bauer is #1. Next SP is Stroman at #6 (took qualified offer). Then it’s Tanaka #10 Quintana #19

      So only 4 of the FA SPs in the top 20. I wonder how that compares to other years. It seems low to me.

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      • Marty McRae

        4 years ago

        It does, but it also proves OP’s point – Bauer is by far the best available SP to every team, ergo he deserves to make more money than usual because there is no competition for him on the market.

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  38. Marty McRae

    4 years ago

    For a white player who has never ran afoul of the law, Bauer sure is hated by all the kinds of “fans” who traditionally eat his style up. Interesting…

    He might not deserve the most guaranteed money ever, but he deserves to be the highest paid AAV pitcher in MLB, because he is signing a contract in 2021. We should never have carryover highest paid players, we should be breaking that AAV every offseason. Simple concept.

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    • CKinSTL

      4 years ago

      I imagine most would agree that AAV continues to go up.. but trying to justify a new record set every year seems to be an oversimplification. For that to be true, you’d have to assume that the players available in free agency are of similar quality each season. The supply/demand picture would also need to remain constant, year over year. Player preferences also vary in terms of contract length and options (like opt-outs) that will impact AAV for a particular player/year. In practice, it is a complex environment with a lot of variables.

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  39. KeithK

    4 years ago

    Does Bauer deserve an AAV of $36m or more? No. Then again, I don’t think Cole deserves that either. Watching Bauer in Cleveland and then a season+ in Cincinnati, the guy possibly has the best stuff in baseball. I’d be shocked if a perfect game or two does not come out of his arm (at least a few no hitters – I don’t know if he can go 9 innings without walking someone). I believe his mental game is the only thing holding him back.

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    • Marty McRae

      4 years ago

      The break in logic from profits rising to salaries decreasing is what flaws your entire comment here.

      Every year there should be a new highest AAV, because there is no cap on profits. Salary does not = prior season stats.

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      • lolzmets

        4 years ago

        If only Marty McGravy understood economics the way he understands dessert!

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      • Jbigz12

        4 years ago

        A couple flawed assumptions with that. Like anything it’s not that simple. We are certainly in a time of revenue contraction with no or very few fans in the stands. TV deals are put into place years prior in almost every situation so there’s not necessarily a bump coming from that YOY. And you’re assuming that capacity to spend is symmetric. If the Yankees, Dodgers, Cubs etc. (the biggest guys )sit out on the top market in a particular offseason—then how could the highest AAV be expected to be topped? Even with year over year revenue growth—a middle market team like the Orioles, Reds, Rangers etc. are not going to be able to top the AAV from a team like the Yankees from the year prior. If you operate under the assumption that they spent to full capacity.

        And possibly the most obvious reason is that different players hit the market each year. If Mike Trout is your best FA one year and George Springer is the best the next—well we all know what isn’t getting topped

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  40. mcmillankmm

    4 years ago

    Let’s just wait and see if someone gives him a $36M per year salary, then there will be no debate

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    • Marty McRae

      4 years ago

      I can see a short term contending team with salary room just going for it and giving him 2/80 or 2/90.

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      • GASoxFan

        4 years ago

        Must need corrective lenses

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  41. 5toolMVP

    4 years ago

    Angels are waiting for the Kluber tryout…

    They will “roll the dice” on those pitchers with question marks…Guys like Kluber, Paxton etc.

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    • Marty McRae

      4 years ago

      Which has never worked and never will work.

      Has anyone ever asked the Angels front office directly why they are so willing to spend on position players, but never sign big money pitchers? They haven’t even really tried that out, but are so quick to lock up Zack Cozart instead of Trevor Bauer types.

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      • cookmeister 2

        4 years ago

        considering the angels front office has been in place for 2 months, I doubt that questions has come up.

        All we know is Arte loves position players

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      • hossmandu

        4 years ago

        Marty, You imply that they are not in on these FA starters, which is patently false. Last year was just the latest in a string of years where the Angels were in on but didn’t get a top FA SP because of a couple of factors:

        Got out bid (Cole, Ryu, Keuchel) – I’m fine with getting outbid, especially when it’s years.

        Player preference (Wheeler, MadBum, Stras) – can’t do anything about this.

        Once these guys were all done they went and got Rendon.

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      • Vizionaire

        4 years ago

        they went up to 10/300 on cole. they were in on every top f/a starting pitchers last offseason and came up short.

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    • Vizionaire

      4 years ago

      i doubt they’d go for bauer but won’t dip that low.

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    • Halo11Fan

      4 years ago

      I understand your skepticism, but Moreno went hard after Cole. tried very hard to extend Greinke and has gotten the number one pitcher on the market three times, Colon, Wilson and Ohtani.

      That’s better than all but a few teams.

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  42. Ducky Buckin Fent

    4 years ago

    Really good write up, Mr Dierkes.

    Pretty much laid everything out that’s in play.

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    • lolzmets

      4 years ago

      Kissing up! Pathetic.

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      • Ducky Buckin Fent

        4 years ago

        meeeooooOWWWW

        Well, aren’t you just an insecure little kitten.

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      • Halo11Fan

        4 years ago

        Telling someone good work is kissing up? With that attitude, I wouldn’t want to work for any company you work for.

        It is a good column. I want more columns like this. The only way to get more columns like this is to comment it’s a good column.

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      • LordD99

        4 years ago

        The perks of kissing up on MLBTR are extraordinary. It’s enabled me to trade up to a water-view mansion.

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        • Ducky Buckin Fent

          4 years ago

          I love the RAB guys, man.

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  43. 17dizzy

    4 years ago

    The answer to the question is “No”.

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  44. fljay73

    4 years ago

    I for one would not give any player $300+mil due to the fact the team is the one assuming all of the risks.

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  45. The Saber-toothed Superfife

    4 years ago

    No. He needs to PROVE IT!
    IDEA = Hey Bauer, rumor has it Garrett Cole kicks your butt all over the place……
    GUESS WHAT?
    The Tigers play the Yanks end of April and end of May.
    PROVE IT BUDDY!
    Head to head vs Cole!
    IF YOU LOSE – WE TRADE YOU FOR A BAG OF POPCORN AND A PLAYER TO BE NAMED LATER…..

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  46. tesseract

    4 years ago

    I was looking for a poll at the end of the article

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    • Technically correct

      4 years ago

      I’d bet polls have lower clicks.

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  47. Grade_1_teacher

    4 years ago

    Absolutely not. How many elite seasons has Bauer put together? Maybe he is worth Yu Darvish’s contract, at best.

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  48. dellarocco72

    4 years ago

    Nope

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  49. Scrap1ron

    4 years ago

    Another sticky situation, eh Gerrit?

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  50. Ancient Pistol

    4 years ago

    As a Yankees fan I’m not even sure Cole is worth Cole money.

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    • padam

      4 years ago

      Maybe, but Bauer certainly isn’t. Cole was a nice addition, although costly.

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  51. DarkSide830

    4 years ago

    Bauer needs a reality check if he think’s he’s getting anywhere near 30 per with the state of the market right now. who is giving him that money?

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    • Halo11Fan

      4 years ago

      Darkside,

      I bet he gets over 30 a year, what i don’t he’ll do is break 200 million.

      What i don’t know is how many years he’ll get.

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    • Phantom X

      4 years ago

      Someone will be dumb enough to pay that. I’m not even sure I’d pay him $25MM.

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      • 5toolMVP

        4 years ago

        He’s worth at least what Corbin got in 2018 6/140 $23.3m + normal annual salary increases since 2018 + more for CY.

        $26m Aav as a floor is not unreasonable.
        $28-32m Aav would be my guess and if I’m GM probably my max offer long term.
        $33-37m Aav maybe if 1-3 years…would surprise me if AAV is that high for 4-7years.

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        • Phantom X

          4 years ago

          The other thing to take into account is age. He’s going to be 30 when he starts the season and with his career ERA near 4 that should be a turn off. Corbin had better numbers throughout his career.

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  52. Far Beyond Driven

    4 years ago

    Consistency raises a player’s value. Cole has been far more consistent.

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  53. mitch h

    4 years ago

    How can you seriously run this comparison without considering playoff experience and performances?!? Bauer is an excellent pitcher, but he’s not a Gerrit Cole. Cole is an elite workhorse and a leader – the guy you want to give the ball in Game 1 and Game 7.

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    • Tim Dierkes

      4 years ago

      You can give another bump to Cole for that, but it’s not like they become different pitchers in the postseason. We could try to draw some conclusion from Bauer’s 33 innings and Cole’s 84, but a decent chunk of that happened long enough ago to not be relevant.

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  54. Very Barry

    4 years ago

    The fact that Bauer is so social media friendly is pushing up his supposed value. He is good, but I am not even convinced he is a #1 starter. Bauer was Cy Young Award winner. However, that is a bit misleading. It was a 60-game season and being in the NL Central he was pitching most of his games against the worst offensive teams in the league. If I remember, didn’t the Braves shell him? Remember Year 1 in Cincy?

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    • YourDreamGM

      4 years ago

      He dominated the braves.

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  55. Dbird777

    4 years ago

    All this Bauer hate is absolutely disgusting. Come back home to Cincy for 12 mil per, Trev. You know we love you here

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  56. InvalidUserID 2

    4 years ago

    No, simply because he doesn’t have the same years of success.

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  57. Nuschler

    4 years ago

    On a 2 year contract with a 3rd year option, easily..

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  58. kreckert

    4 years ago

    On a 2 year deal… maybe.

    Anything more? No.

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  59. Greenmamba559

    4 years ago

    From the article-
    Cole averaged 97.2 miles per hour on his fastball in his walk year. Bauer averaged 93.5.
    On a related note, while both are strong strikeout pitchers, Cole was significantly better for longer.
    Cole had better control than Bauer.
    Cole was dominant in two full, consecutive seasons leading up to free agency. Bauer has never been dominant in two consecutive seasons.
    Bauer will be 234 days older on 4-1-21 than Cole was on 4-1-20.

    That is why he *shouldn’t* get anything close to comes aav. Like some other commenter said he should get a contract like Corbin in Washington.

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    • Halo11Fan

      4 years ago

      If Bauer wants to beat Cole’s AAV… he will. He’ll have to take many fewer years, but that’s up to him.

      He wont get anywhere near the guaranteed money Cole got.

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      • Greenmamba559

        4 years ago

        That would be up to the team offering a contract not Bauer. If a teams dumb enough to offer Bauer the highest aav, after never showing consistent dominance in consecutive seasons. Then good for him.

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        • Halo11Fan

          4 years ago

          Green… It’s always up to the team, but in my opinion if Bauer wanted a three year deal at a 37 million AAV, he’d get it.

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  60. LaFlamaBlanca

    4 years ago

    WHAT A JOKE!!! HAHAHA Outside of 2018 who is Trevor Bauer really? Were it longer than 60 games no way he maintains that production. The guy hovers around being 2.5-2.7 WAR pitcher. When he was in Cleveland he was never the best starter in the rotation. If you think of Bauer you think inconsistency. When you think Cole you think dominating. These are two very different pitchers. No way the Angels nor any team should pay this guy a higher AAV than Cole nor Trout. Let him sign with the Bluejays or somebody else that will regret that contract.

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  61. prov356

    4 years ago

    “Does Trevor Bauer Have A Case For Gerrit Cole’s AAV?”

    Gerrit Cole doesn’t have a case for Gerrit Cole’s AAV.

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  62. Pads Fans

    4 years ago

    No. Not close. Since Feinsand picked an arbitrary measure to try to say Bauer is comparable, so am I to show he is not comparable to Cole.

    I am throwing out 2020 completely. Too many MLB players, about 40%, had outlier seasons in 2020 meaning their stats were 20% better or worse than the previous season and career averages. Whether it was because of the short season length or COVID or spring training in July or playing just in their division (NL and AL Central and East respectively), nearly half of all MLB players didn’t perform as usual, so 2020 is not even in consideration.

    Since teams typically look at the past 3 seasons when determining how much to offer a FA, here is a comparison of the last 3 full seasons, 2017-2019.

    Cole – 3.20 ERA, 3.14 FIP, 615.2 IP, 32.4 K%, 11.67 K/9, 6.8 BB%, 16.8 fWAR/14.9 bWAR
    Bauer – 3.71 ERA, 3.62 FIP, 560 IP, 28.3 K%, 10.72 K/9, 8.4 BB%, 11.8 fWAR/9.8 bWAR

    Its not even close.

    Even if you include 2020 in your comparison to give Bauer the benefit of the doubt, 2017-2020 still shows Cole is a much, much better pitcher.

    Bauer has one partial season when he can say he was outstanding. A partial season in which he was playing against inferior competition (the NL & AL Central had weakest hitters overall in MLB in 2020) in a season with so many things out of whack and so many players including the 2 previous MVPs not playing anywhere near their career norms .

    He was outstanding for 37% of a single season.

    That is not worth Ace money.

    Bauer should be looking at a 5-7 year deal with a $25 million AAV. But some idiot will panic and give him Cole money on the basis of 73 IP in 2020.

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    • Deleted_User

      4 years ago

      I agree Koamalu

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  63. Rsox

    4 years ago

    Cole hit free agency after a (real) Cy Young caliber season, Bauer hits free agency after Sigh Young season in which he got a trophy for making a third of what his starts would have been in a full season and he just as easily could have finished second behind Yu Darvish. Its a joke to even compare the two. Bauer will get overpaid somewhere but in this current economic climate even if he somehow managed to eclipse Cole’s $36 million per season he won’t come close to the $245 million the Yankees gave Cole

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  64. George Ruth

    4 years ago

    Trevor Bauer is a mediocre Pitcher & his career numbers show nothing but mediocracy

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  65. marcoL

    4 years ago

    I still don’t get this. What I’ve seen over the years, 90% of these big contracts have become team’s liability and bringing dark ages not just for the teams but for the fans and the city. Not everybody can think and act like Yankees or Dodgers.

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  66. Moneyballer

    4 years ago

    He thinks he does but If given the choice to spend on Bauer or Cole, I don’t think many teams would choose Bauer, if any at all.

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  67. steven st croix

    4 years ago

    I hope Bauer reads this and crys #bitc

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    • tom brunanskys black sock

      4 years ago

      Imagine being so petty as to wish a complete stranger who plays a game for a living to feel anguish. Such jealousy.

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  68. Jordo87

    4 years ago

    Crapping on his Cy Young makes you look stupid you do realize he had 0% control over how many games and were all he was gonna play (strictly central) and if were gonna crap on his micky mouse award then should probably do the same with the other Cy young and mvps

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  69. padam

    4 years ago

    No. Shouldn’t even be a question.

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    • tom brunanskys black sock

      4 years ago

      150+ comments proves that wrong

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      • padam

        4 years ago

        Seems the majority feel he’s not worth it, which I’d suspect.

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  70. Enrico Pallazzo

    4 years ago

    He’s gonna get big money from the Angels and flop just like every other big contract they give out.

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    • tom brunanskys black sock

      4 years ago

      Who was the last pitcher the angels signed? Dave Spiwack?

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  71. Murphy NFLD

    4 years ago

    Im not a life long ball fan like most of the people on here, ive been watching about 10 years. But i really dont see an issue with pitchers using a substance for grip. Unlike steroids you dont put it in your body, it doesn’t give you more strength or faster recation time. Its as simple as mlb says certain things are allowed and the team/pitcher has to show it to the ump crew, maybe keep it on the mound like a rosin bag

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    • GASoxFan

      4 years ago

      The argument for is that it helps guys locate better and theoretically reduces being hit by balls that get away.

      The argument against is that there are pitchers who make their money by naturally having exceptional command without needing to throw 100mph. That if you can’t control throwing your 97mph fastball without banned substances you should be going 94, 91, whatever you can harness with the proper grip. Ie: learn to pitch instead of how to throw.

      Everyone has their own opinion. Mine: just like the old spitball MLB grandfathers in anyone who is at the major league level and can establish having used it. For new call ups you get Pete Rose treatment if you’re caught.

      Make guys learn to pitch instead of just rear back and let it fly. Look it up – some guys claim it’s offspeed that leads to TJ surgery but there’s studies around starting in the late 20-teens showing TJ incidence was higher in the guys throwing more fastballs, the harder the throwing the more ligament stress even above what off speed would generate… believe what you want…

      Again, learn to pitch, not to throw.

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      • its_happening

        4 years ago

        Take off the arm padding, hitters will not crowd the plate as much due to fear of a drilling, pitchers will throw more curves/sliders. As long as hitters can crowd with little fear in the box the pitcher will continue to try everything to get them out, including throwing the fastball harder than they should.

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  72. Murphy NFLD

    4 years ago

    I dont thunk he beats either, whis going to give him 120 over 3, if your looking to add wins you get JTR or Springer for slightly more money over 5.
    At thung point id like to see my jays sign JTR and try to get JRam from CLE.

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    • Avory

      4 years ago

      @Murphy NFLD

      Do you actually believe the nonsense that Cleveland would trade Ramiriez? What is wrong with people? Cleveland finished a game out of first last year…why would they deal Ramirez?

      Lindor was dealt because he isn’t worth anywhere near $22 million. Jose Ramirez is worth every penny he’s paid and isn’t going anywhere.

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      • its_happening

        4 years ago

        Jose Ramirez’ value is higher than it’s ever been. They’d have a big return. Problem is the Indians pitching staff is ready to win right now. Huge dilemma. But that is what you get when your team refuses to spend just a little.

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  73. bjhaas1977

    4 years ago

    He’s not worth it. Nowhere near it.

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  74. Curveball1984

    4 years ago

    they’re both overrated. if what the guy with the Angels said. The Yankees and whoever signs Bauer will eventually regret these contracts. Within 3 years these guys will be #3 Rotation guys — at best.

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  75. Yankee Clipper

    4 years ago

    One can see why these two were not friends on the same team. Cole is significantly better but Bauer thinks he is. Bauer is significantly more boisterous while basking in his own glory of supreme mediocrity, and claiming he altered substances between innings to prove he could pitch at variations of mediocre.

    Cole should give 5% back to the Yankees to sign DJ and refuse to consider Bauer (although it doesn’t seem he will have to given the Yankees won’t even spend to purchase a used pair of underwearrright now).

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  76. bmerg34

    4 years ago

    Cole is much better then Bauer!! Plain and simple!

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  77. etex211

    4 years ago

    Gerrit Cole may be the greatest beneficiary in Major League history of being in the right place, at the right time, and in the right situation. That contract won’t be duplicated for any pitcher any time soon, and he’ll never live up to what he’s getting paid.

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  78. DocBB

    4 years ago

    Did Keith Law write this article?

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  79. hyraxwithaflamethrower

    4 years ago

    For a contract of the same length, no. Cole is simply better overall. If he’s seeking a shorter contract, say 3-4 years, then in a normal market, I think his AAV at least approaches, if not matches, Cole’s. On a 1-2 year deal, he exceeds it. Of course, while a lot of people appreciate his forthrightness, some of his requests could turn off people and limit his earning power. Overall guess: he signs a 4-yr deal with the Angels for $34M/yr, but with opt-outs after years 2 and 3.

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  80. Spare Tire Dixon

    4 years ago

    No way. Bauer’s K rate in a two-month campaign does not compare to Cole sustaining that over a full season. Bauer also does not have Cole’s overall track record.

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  81. Freespool

    4 years ago

    I sure hope the Angels DO NOT sign him. He is not a good team guy and he is way too expensive. The Angels need to get two mid level pitchers to compete this year and then get two more next year when $26 million of Pujols money comes off the books.

    Trout, Rendon and the rest of the team are class acts. Bauer is anything but that. Stay waaaay far away.

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  82. Spare Tire Dixon

    4 years ago

    Of the top free agents remaining, I think Bauer could be the biggest difference maker for Toronto. Anyone would love to have Springer, but the Jays need another impact starter or two.

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