Justin Turner’s market had already reportedly narrowed to four teams, and the field could now be even thinner for the former All-Star. The Dodgers and Brewers have each made multi-year contract offers to Turner, MLB Network’s Jon Heyman reports (Twitter link), and while the third baseman could potentially have other longer-term offers on the table, Turner seems “less likely” to sign with other rumored suitors like the Braves, Mets, or Blue Jays.
If Turner’s final four is now down to a final two, the Dodgers are still in the lead, according to both Heyman and FanSided’s Robert Murray (via Twitter). There has been a widespread expectation for much of the winter that Turner would eventually re-sign with Los Angeles, though some wrinkles were added by Turner’s initial ask of a four-year contract, and the Dodgers already projected to spend far beyond the $215MM luxury tax threshold. As per Roster Resource, the Dodgers’ tax number for 2021 is over $240MM (thanks in large part to the Trevor Bauer signing), and spending beyond $250MM would trigger the maximum tax penalty — a 42.5% surtax on overages, and the Dodgers’ first 2021 draft pick would be dropped back in the draft order by 10 spots.
Of course, the Dodgers could have no issue taking the extra one-year tax hit in order to bolster their chances at another World Series title, or to retain a star player who has spent the last seven seasons in Dodger blue. Still, the lack of common ground to date between Turner and the Dodgers has opened the door for a team like Milwaukee, as Murray writes that the Brewers made a “competitive” offer. It seems unlikely that any team would be willing to give four guaranteed years to the 36-year-old Turner, but speculatively, the Brewers might gain an edge over L.A. by offering three years depending on the nature of the Dodgers’ offer.
As for the other teams linked to Turner, earlier reports suggested that the Mets weren’t getting far in contract talks. The chances of Turner going to Atlanta or Toronto seemed to dim after those teams made other high-priced signings — the Braves and Marcell Ozuna, and the Blue Jays with George Springer and Marcus Semien.
He would have made sense on a 1 year for the Jays as they still dont have a real 3B but after the Semien signing there is n0 more room.
On a 1 year deal he’d make sense on many teams, esp ATL, & definitely if they go with the DH (not likely, but possible). AA likes reuniting with former players for mutually-beneficial means. And what a way to stick it to LAD then going to ATL.
Doubt the Braves sign him.
He’s using the Brewers and other teams to get more from the Dodgers.
A 1 year deal wouldn’t make sense for Turner. He’s looking at his last contract for his career. This is his age 37 year and it’s not likely anyone signs him next year at age 38. Turner is pushing for a 3 or 4 year deal and that’s just not going to work for most teams (unless the universal DH rule is made permanent). Turner is lucky to be offered a contract at all after his maskless antics during the World Series.
OMG… Don’t be a maskhole.
Again with the mask? Don’t be a scold! MLB ALREADY CLEARED HIM MONTHS AGO.
I didn’t clear him and my opinion counts.
Lots of Karens here
caj,
OMG… Don’t be a d!ck.
caj,
OMG… Don’t be a d!ck.
Frankly, I don’t see Toronto having a position for him. The infield is now very much full.
@diggy
May as well say he would have looked good on a 4 year deal at major league minimum, as Turner was not accepting that, either. If your team is not offering either a 2 year, or 2 + option, its not happening. Stop with the one year offers, already!
Without an upgrade at third base the Dodgers are the second best team in that division. They need Turner more than he needs them.
The “pirate” signs with LA.
And there goes the reunion with the amazins. Next
I have mixed feelings on if I want the Braves to go get him. A.) don’t really want him in a multi year deal at his age. No more than 2 years imo. B.) he would be an immediate short term upgrade, but I truly believe Riley is gonna put it together and be a really solid 3B for his career. I don’t think it’s time to make him a bench bat or even trade him.
If we knew we were gonna have a DH this year or were 1000% sure we would have it next year, then going after turner on a multi year deal wouldn’t be the end of the world for us as Riley’s flexible would be beneficial and we just don’t know where Pache/waters will ultimately be in terms of readiness (although Pache is pretty much there)
That DH rain check is with Ozuna.
No, I agree. I more meant, because Ozuna would slide into the DH, Turner can play 3B moving Riley to LF. Or Waters if he’s ready.
Love this dudes game, wish my Nats would be in on this guy. Would make a nice fit in Milwaukee though.
He is exactly what we need for the last run with Max. Nats have some hard choices to make soon. If you don’t lock up Trea Turner, you may as well break it down and go full rebuild.
It really should have started with trading Harper in 18 and it may have been able to avoid a full rebuild. But its clear at this point where its headed. Unfortunately, when max is gone, if TT is gone, shipping Soto somewhere will be the Kickstart to the rebuild.
Absolutely crossing my fingers that neither of these teams give into a four year deal.
Does the Neuse acquisition have any bearing on Turner?
backup plan if they lose out on Turner. I don’t think it has much bearing, they’d much prefer Turner back.
Nah. He’s more of a replacement for Keekay and Chris Taylor who can be a FA after the season.
If they don’t get Turner I would assume the plan is some combination of Muncy, Taylor, Beaty, Neuse, and Rios (who probably would be the closest thing to a “starter”). I don’t think they’ll use a main starter over there, I think it will be a lot of rotation based on matches and who needs off days.
Bellinger needs a day off CF, move to 1B and Muncy to 3B
Taylor hasn’t been in awhile, but Lux/Seager don’t need a blow? 3B
Rios against righties generally, but against a lefty? Go Neuse
Righty with a nasty slider? Load up with Beatty in LF, Neuse at 3B or vice-versa
The bearing is they can now come in at less than whatever Turner is asking for because he and they know there is now an in-house replacement waiting
only reason he’ll go is if he wants more money. I guess he’s blown threw the 5yr 75M they gave him previously
What makes you think he’s already spent his previous contract? Most of these players don’t squander their money and actually invest it wisely. I can’t blame someone for trying to maximize their earnings when their window is starting to close.
I mean if he can squeeze another $3 million out of a team, then why not? We talk about these financial numbers like it’s Monopoly money when in reality there are a significant number of people who will never even earn this much in their lifetime.
This isn’t basketball where almost the entire league blows through their money lol
Four years -$64m was the present contract.
Trade Biggio and Gurriel for a Pitcher and sign Turner for 3 Years!
Lol
The Pirates are looking for managerial talent, give ’em a call.
That’s not happening
That could be one of the worst ideas I’ve seen on here…that’s saying a lot
Lol lol lol
I don’t think Turner gets more than 2 years with an option year at best IMOfor whoever signs him. He appears to be holding out for a 4 year deal which at his age/injury issues, is simply asking too much.
I’d take Turner on a 2 year deal but if he wants more, let him get it somewhere else. I’d push hard for Matt Chapman if I were Atlanta. Not sure what it would take because Oakland seems to value players different than a lot of teams. I’d assume Riley, and Wright or Wilson would get the conversation started. The depth we have in AAA pitching is getting ridiculous.
Riley, at least 2 highly regarded pitchers, and either Pache or Waters is what it would take…not sure if it’s worth it. They still have to extend Freeman, Soroka, and Fried soon to keep the core together and throw Chapman on top of those extensions.
You’d also have to overpay to pry him away, since he’s not being actively shopped around or anything. Same thing with guys like Jram, where neither team is shopping them around, but an overpay could pry them away.
I want turner in atlanta just for the fact he cannot tear us up, he always kills the braves.
I don’t know the Dodgers’ thinking, but paying a tax is one thing, incurring draft penalties is another and they really seem to value development and having a strong farm. If that’s the case, doesn’t a longer term make more sense for them to lower the AAV? Kind of like the LeMahieu situation.
You’re right, but consider that a two year contract spread over 3 or 4 is just financial manipulation. Could happen, but I think they are more focused on the next 2 years before lots of guys exit arbitration into FA. I think they’ll hold the line and pay decent money over 2 years.
Turner will take good money and a chance for another ring or two over just some additional money. He can make money when he’s done playing. He can’t go anywhere else absent maybe SD to win in the last years of his career
As advertised – 2 years $30MM which is decent in baseball terms.
Imagine any of us getting a fraction of that. 20% over a lifetime is actually a pretty decent amount anywhere in the country…
Loser gets Jedd Gyorko
Not the worst consolation prize
Much cheaper and one year deal. The Dodgers probably wouldn’t but the Brewers would.
Both have had him recently. Jedd’s time in Milwaukee was much better than his time in LA. Gyorko can also be had on the cheap so i wouldn’t rule out a Return to Milwaukee even if they sign Turner
Turner is posturing. If LAD 2 year deal = Brewers 2 year deal then he goes to LAD and he isn’t getting 4 years from anyone . No one argues against that.
So what hapoens if the 2 year deals are equal and the Brewers offer a decent 3rd year. Wait for it…. nothing.
There is no way in hell he is playing the last 3 years of his career in Milwaukee. It really is Only Money at that point. He’ll never spend a single dollar of that 3rd year, but he’ll hate life for a very long time if he isn’t in LA trying to win a 2nd or 3rd ring.
Book it.
Could be true. I’m down to 75% sure that he’s going back to the Dodgers. But your coastal bias is a tad silly.
EddieM – me thinks your insecurity about where you live is showing. My comment, relative to JT, isn’t bias to coastal cities etc. It’s biased to LAD being one of the best run baseball organizations in MLB. They have been dominant over the last 4 years and project to by equally formidable for the duration of JT’s final contract. Baseball-wise it ain’t even a conversation.
Non-baseball – I have no idea what he and his family would value. Personally I’d never live in either place. As far as good baseball cities – I like Toronto. If you want some grist for the mill then Google Milwaukee and see if anything going on there recently might make people prefer a different place to live. Being off the coasts ain’t bad, but that don’t make Milwaukee good. Ogden and Logan UT are much nicer ditto Salt Lake
This is why people hate LA fans.
What are L.A. fans saying that you hate?
Turner was born, raised and went to college in SoCal. My guess is that he prefers to remain there for that alone, but also because the Dodgers have been one of, not the best, run organizations in MLB for years.
sorry…lived and worked in Wisconsin for most of my life, worked in Milwaukee for years while only living there for a short while. Mostly spent in Madison. I love it. Love going to Miller Park (er…AmFam Field). Sure, the city and the state have their issues. Who doesn’t?
I have not doubt that Turner would be happy playing for the Brewers. It’s a class organization, if underfunded (comparatively). Regular play-off team. Excellent owner, team president, and manager. Excellent pitching staff. Turner’s bat would be a great addition. LA ain’t my kinda place.
I wouldn’t call it posturing, I’d call it finding out what the market will bear for his services. This is likely to be his last bite of the apple, so nothing wrong with that on the face of it, but I keep going back to something Dave Roberts said a bunch of weeks ago about Turner coming back was up to the player. I took that to mean he had an offer on the table from the Dodgers. So if he does come back to LA on a contract that looks like what most everyone expected in the first place (two, plus an option) then the questions will come about why it took so much time to figure out. That will be a baseball story for a little while at least, and Turner will have a little explaining to do.
Done deal- 2 years LAD
Spring training is but a few days away. Price gets traded nonetheless,Turner rejoins and Rosenthal signs.
I don’t think Turner’s coming back. I’m not worried about 3B because I trust Friedman to get it right. Just be patient for a few days.
$215M luxury tax threshold? It should be $210M.
Padres have a scary good team. Real challenger to Dodger dominance in the division. Love their offseason. And Tatis is just unbelievable. They will make the playoffs.
Having said all of that, I do expect some regression from: Machado, Myers, and Hosmer, and maybe some from Darvish – he looks great, but he has unexplainable bad years, too.. I would not bet on Cronenworth having a sophomore slump BUT there is a reason everyone talks about there being sophmore slumps!
Teams I’d least like to face in the playoffs right now in the NL: Dodgers, Padres, Braves, Mets/Cardinals/Nats.
Just let him retire in LA! He’s the best third baseman they’ve had since Beltre. He deserves it.
The Dodgers should let him walk. They saved his career. Let him go see what it is like to play in Milwaukee. He is over playing his hand. Plus his age is getting to the diminishing skills quickly stage.
Turner has a good 2 years left as a starter in my humble opinion, wish the Braves would grab him but he most likely stays in Dodger Blue.
The guy maybe has lost a little in the field but he is one of the toughest outs in the NL, clutch player.
Be more fun rooting for Justin as a Brave. You respect good players.
Just sign with someone already!
The Brewers are rebuilding and cutting payroll, why would they sign JT?
Turner to Dodgers on a 3 year deal a la Bauer; 1st 12M, 2nd 12M 3rd 4M w/opt out. Its 9.3M on the lux tax. .
Then extend Kershaw 2022 15M and 2023 15M and lower the lux tax by 10M on Kershaw`s contract on 2021.
Stay below 250M
Kershaw for $15 million per year? I don’t see that happening.
Turner’s value to LA goes beyond what he produces on the field. He is the unquestioned leader of the team and I just can’t comprehend the Dodgers playing hardball with him. They want a 2 year deal, he wants 4. If they offer him 3 he will probably sign.
I’d be good with a 3 year deal with a significant buyout on the third if I’m the Brewers. 2 years, 20 mil with a 4 mil buyout on the 3rd year
Saw a theory that Dodgers are holding off til ST when they can officially move Ferguson (and potentially Kahnle, I’d imagine) off the 40-man to create room. Anyone know if that’s possible?
Its possible. They are basically competing with themselves for Turner. However, the longer they wait to get him into camp the more likely he ends up getting injured trying ramp up for the start of the season
Please Milwaukee … say NO to Turner!
Apparently Turner has said no to Milwaukee