Outfielder Nick Castellanos was issued a two-game suspension for his part in Saturday’s brawl between the Reds and Cardinals, the league announced. Castellanos was the only player suspended, and he is appealing his two-game ban. Fines were issued to three players on each team — the Reds’ Castellanos, Jesse Winker and Eugenio Suarez, and the Cardinals’ Jordan Hicks, Yadier Molina, and Nolan Arenado.
The incident developed after Cards pitcher Jake Woodford hit Castellanos with a pitch during a fourth-inning at-bat. Castellanos wasn’t pleased by the HBP, and picked up the ball and held it in Woodford’s direction as he went to first base. Later in the inning, Castellanos scored from third on a wild pitch, and celebrated the run by standing over Woodford (who was covering home plate) and flexing. This led to the benches clearing, and a lot of shoving and heated words between the two NL Central rivals.
More from the division….
- The Padres hope to have Trent Grisham back in center field when they travel to play the Rangers on April 9, manager Jayce Tingler told Jim Duquette of MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM (via Twitter). Grisham has been out of action since suffering a hamstring strain during a Spring Training game on March 11, though he did play in some simulated games at the end of camp. Austin Nola isn’t quite as far along in his rehab from a fractured left middle finger, but he could soon get some plate appearances at the Padres’ alternate training site.
- The Cubs drafted Javier Baez with the ninth overall pick of the 2011 draft, a selection that has proven to be a winner even though Baez was one of many notable players taken in an unusually star-studded first round. As Meghan Montemurro of the Chicago Tribune writes, the Cubs were set on Baez as their pick, though they were eyeing Jose Fernandez and C.J. Cron as Plan B options if Baez was selected by one of the eight teams picking in front of Chicago. Tim Wilken, the Cubs’ director of amateur scouting at the time, said that the club would have taken Baez even if another star shortstop prospect in Francisco Lindor was still on the board — it ended up being a moot point, as Cleveland took Lindor with the eighth overall pick, just ahead of Baez and the Cubs at ninth.
No dog in the fight here, but I feel like if you suspend Castellanos for 2 games there (which I think is reasonable) then Yadi has to get 2 games as well. They’re both responsible for what happened and if Yadi doesn’t run up to Castellanos and grab him by the back of the neck then I don’t think this escalates as much as it did.
I get why Yadi did what he did, he’s protecting his pitcher who just got aggressively taunted, but he’s also the one who initiated the physical contact in the altercation so it’s odd that he wasn’t suspended.
Correct. There was only a bench-clearing incident because of Yadi.
Incorrect. There was only a bench clearing (there was no brawl) incident because of two actions of Castellanos. First he initiated it by holding the ball
No – no one cleared the benches because of him. They cleared benches because Yadi went after him. Castellanos didn’t do anything illegal, and if Yadi doesn’t escalate, benches don’t clear. Period. Get out of here Cardinals fan.
Castellanos did scream in the guys face, which is likely a Covid protocol violation so if he gets punished for that, so be it, but Molina instigated the escalation of the whole situation by placing hands on him from behind. If Castellanos got two games Molina should have been suspended for four.
Castellanos getting in the face of Woodford is what instigated Yadi’s reaction.
Castellanos “taunted”.
Oh the horror….
Castellanos walked away, though. Yadi escalated it. The pitcher didn’t even know what happened. Yadi didn’t step between him and the pitcher, he started something after it was over.
Yadi had another bad case of roid rage.
Jeez, Putmeincoach12 escalating things like his name was Yadi.
Yadi is the softest player in baseball, not sure why there’s any confusion here.
so they didn’t suspend anyone for the brawl, just COVID? that doesnt exactly solve the problem we’re discussing here.
Oh gosh.
Not taunting.
We are giving out suspensions for yelling? Is this Teeball?
Oh gosh.
He was yelling too?
Soft because he was standing up for his rookie pitcher who was being stood over and yelled/flexed at? It’s called sticking up for your teammates. Have you ever played team sports? You lose all respect if you dont stick up for your teammates, soft would be if he had did nothing. Get a clue
Woodford ended up on Castellanos’ back on the tag play and was slow to disengage. First he gets plunked by Woodford, then he has him on his back. Yeah, a few choice words before walking away were hardly suspension worthy. Another fail by MLB.
Chaz- Yep. Sometimes in life there are teaching moments. I am just trying to help.
Kidding of-course.
Maybe Jake Woodford should suck less and maybe Molina should be better at stopping passed balls. If only the Cardinals were a competent franchise…
And Cueto didnt kick Larue in the face and end his career either right?
Face it, Reds fans dont like Yadi because he wont let the Reds bad mouth his team or show up his teammates..
Enjoy 4th place..
No one mentions Castellanos took a knee to the back. That wasn’t necessary either. Either way, the Reds teed off on Cards’ pitching that day and the next day.
I didn’t see the ruckus or that game. Honest question: did Woodford “throw at” Castellanos, or was it simply a bad pitch that “hit” Castellanos? If it was a simple HBP, then to me, Castellanos has no right to get all worked up, holding the ball pointing at the mound, and being a “DB” once he scored on the wild pitch. No question it sucks getting hit, but when it’s an accident, it is simply a part of the game. Bench clearing should be completely against the rules in MLB…..
Success is the best revenge. And “the ball don’t lie.”
When was the last time the Reds won a World Championship?
They are the definition of incompetent.
It’s fine to stick up for your teammate. It’s also fine to get suspended for doing it.
He picked up the ball and asked ‘do you want this back?’ before flipping it into the dugout. It was tense but nothing unusual in hit by pitch situation.
You’ve got to suspend the guy who initiated contact in Yadi. You’ve got decide if a flex taunt and a shout of ‘Let’s Go’ is a precedent for a 2 game suspension.
giantsphan – it was a bad pitch and Castellanos shouldn’t have reacted. He wears an arm guard. That’s great protection and it’s cheating. In that case he should have trotted to first base.
Agree 100% Yadi should have been tossed and suspended as well. Of course not , he’s the overrated catching messiah that is untouchable… he was the first one to make it physical. Words are one thing … but he made it physical. There’s not denying that. He’s a great catcher but way overhyped. He will always be the step child of Mr Bench …
Sure about that chief?
FletcherFan69 –
Well that’s a completely worthless comment. What MLB team was it that you play for? .If you’re going to say that a MLB pitcher and a future HOF catcher suck, I’d hope you have some talent that’s better than theirs.
Higgy, that happened right after said rookie pitcher drove his knee into Castellanos back
Amazing what fans forget
You need to watch the video again if you don’t think the pitcher noticed what happened.
Then Woodford hitting Castellanos statered everything…
@teufelshunde Yadi is the constant between these 2 events. I say don’t join a melee unless you’re willing to get hurt. BTW I’d rather these don’t happen, so I’m not saying be tough or something, but if you fight, you might get injured.
A fast ball into the ribs with 2 outs and no one on. The day after Castellanos show boated a bit on a HR. I’d say it’s intentional
27 runs given up by Cards pitchers in 25 innings vs the Reds, and you want to talk about 4th place?
I enjoyed the series …
hey crank hogan to initiate the fight is literally taunting. he screamed in woodfords face and flexed over him. they give techs even in the ultra progressive nba for that. if he doesn’t flex/taunt nothing happens. i don’t think castellanos should’ve been suspended but he is the culprit
taunting is against rules in mlb. weird that you chose the term “illegal” as its completely irrelevant to the situation. no ones saying they should be arrested bud but there are rules in place. yadi should’ve gotten half of what castellanos got – one game. if bro doesn’t stand over woodford and flex nothing happens. is that hard for you to understand?
@guests: thanks for the insight
well youd be wrong. the pitcher was wild the whole time. There was no intent.
Agreed, The day before Castellanos went yard,bat flipped and struggled getting around the bases. Old school baseball, which is what baseball should be, instead of another cancel culture victim says you get a ball in the ass for that. Now you have to pussyfoot around home plate, that didn’t happen either,he linebackered the pitcher. Someone needed to explain this to Mr. I flexed on a pitcher and it was explained. Go flex on O’Neill asshat see who wins, enjoy your bruise on your day off you will take against Kershaw or someone you can’t hit
Yep. Dad is right. Hitters are afforded the comfort that players from previous generations wished they had. It is not going away either. Current Commish is committed to more offense, more scoring and less pitchers reaching a pension.
By the look in Woodford eyes whe big C was flexing and yelling—- it scared the h_ll out of him!!! Ha! That’s when Yadi went after him.
Dad? Stop commenting on here and come pick me up from practice!
I’d have knocked Castellanos out for acting like a little schoolyard moron. So what Yadi did is minor. You’re a typical homer that can’t admit is team was in the wrong. Had Castellanos not screamed at Woodford like a raging moron, nothing would have happened………………Period. Offering him the baseball back, then standing and flexxing? Give me a break.
Yadi always gets a break because he’s one of the last of 19 Molinas to play the game. HOF…Cardinals certainly, but he goes to Cooperstown it’s just another example of MLB canceling culture and unequaling the promoting equality, and I say that with all respect to every Latino and Black player that has ever made the Hall…they EARNED IT!
I hear it’s now Latinx titanic struggle, lol. I’m LATINO and I don’t use that phrase, though.
My bad…appreciate the correction, I didn’t know.
My apologies, I didn’t know. I myself am certainly not a progressive.
I agree.
Suspend both or neither.
Flexing to his pitcher doesn’t give Molina the right to come up from behind and put his hands on a guy.
As an impartial Cubs fan who hates both teams equally, this is on Yadi.
Absolute garbage. Castellanos did nothing suspension worthy. Honestly, it wasn’t even ejection worthy. Cards fans about to be big mad in this comment section – but it’s true. Brawl doesn’t happen if Yadi doesn’t escalate it.
incitement of violence…. or something like that idk anymore
Obviously you don’t know anything he yelled in woodfords face when he should of just went back to the dugout. Molina was sticking up for his team. Brawl wouldn’t of happened if Castellanos would of just shut up and walk away after scoring. Players get hit by the ball the time its part of the game if he don’t like it get a different job.
He yelled at a guy. Poor pitcher. Hope he can deal with the trauma of competing against professional athletes who say mean things to you when you hit them in the back with a 96 mph baseball.
Yeah poor pitcher thats whys Castellanos ran off hiding behind the umpire dont start fights you cant finish
Micro-aggressions galore.
Castellanos was strutting back to dugout when Yadi grabbed him from behind.
Moose saved a full brawl by bear hugging Yadi out of the scrum.
Steve –
I don’t know if you’re familiar with the NFL, but they have penalties for taunting as well, and they get called quite often. MLS also has rules for taunting, as does the NBA. It’s actually pretty common in sports to penalize players for not acting like the professionals that their paid A WHOLE LOT of money to be.
Players also get suspended in other sports for putting their hands on other players in an aggressive manner!
Be a punk a$$ sissy and attack someone from behind like Molina!
You have to stop pretending the Cardinals reaction to his yell was justified. It wasn’t. If Castellanos had actually gotten in the kids face and stayed there? Maybe. But that’s not what happened. He yelled (said his piece) and left. That’s it. Benches don’t clear if Yadi doesn’t get involved, and there was no reason for him to.
“Let’s ****ing go!” were the words.
Brandon, even if that’s the case. He just beat a play at the plate and got a knee to the spine for it
He was safe. He was happy. He didn’t punch or grab the pitcher tho..
Exactly. And if I had just been hit in the ribs by a 90+ fastball my reaction would’ve been similar
Most catchers in baseball stand up for their pitchers. Most do it without grabbing a guy by the neck. Also, a lot of catchers get suspended for sticking up for their pitchers. Yadi and the Cardinals get preferential treatment.
How did he yell in his face, Woody was on the ground. He yelled in his face is 2 people standing nose to nose. Also yelling has never been a suspendible offense before.
Blind reds fans or are they just dumb? Enjoy barely eeking out the Pirates for 4th place.
I’d say it’s dumb to talk smack after your team’s pitchers gave up 27 runs in 25 innings … Your “confidence” may be misplaced.
You DON’T put your hands on another guy in an aggressive manner.
Learn to read the rule book!
Let me grab you from behind like Molina did and let’s see your reaction!
I think there’s a Covid twist to this as well. I believe they are coming down harder because of the implications a brawl could have with Covid. No social distancing , yelling in someone’s face with no masks… etc … not saying I agree with it at all. That’s even more the reason Yoda Molina should have been suspended for being the only one to make it physical… ( as I type this, I’m like, man he does kind of resemble Yoda)
was escalated by castellanos, yadi was defending his teammate who was being taunted and shouted at. at least be fair in the evaluation you’re attempting. no flex/taunt, no brawl.
I saw a tweet that said (paraphrasing): So Castellanos gets thrown at, scores, and then flexes at the pitcher which in turn costs him a two game suspension. BUT none of the Astros caught in a years long cheating scandal get any punishment.
It shouldn’t be surprising to anyone, they gave immunity to the players to get them to talk. So just Manfred failing as usual.
It’s time to get over the Astros thing. The league knew it was a much bigger problem than one singular team. They weren’t going to go down that road and have hundreds of players under investigation. If the Astros got suspended, you’d start to see a whole lot of finger pointing in a lot of different teams directions.
No, no one should ever move past the Astro’s thing until every member of 2017 team is gone from baseball.
What they did and continue to do until the cheating got exposed is unforgivable. They had several chances to take responsibility but they refused.
Asking baseball fans around the world to move on from Astro’s scandal is like asking people to move on from 1/6 Insurrection attack.
Nope
I’d tend to think that what the Astros did was worse than a few thousand rednecks throwing a temper tantrum for a few hours.
tedtheodorelogan –
I really don’t care about what you think of something that happened 2 years ago and still gets brought up over and over and over again by people who think they’re funny or clever. Not funny anymore. We all know what happened. Why don’t you have a friend tell you the same joke every day for 2 years straight. Any joke you’d like. About a month into it you’d be ready to snap his neck
Rangers29:Come on!!! You’re better than this,right? THIS is about the incident/altercation that happened over the PAST FEW DAYS between the REDS & CARDINALS, NOT about WHINING, CRYING , COMPLAINING about the ASTROS from a COUPLE YEARS AGO. The Astros organization has & is still being punished at the ORGANIZATIONAL LEVEL.
Just chill, man. I thought the tweet was ironic, and I wanted to share it here.
That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t have been punished more. Bregman and Correa should be banned from baseball. Partly for the cheating, but mostly because I can’t stand them
Rangers29 –
Again with the Astros….when are you going to get over it. This article mentins NOTHING about them, yet you feel the need to interject with it once again. Soooo tired of hearing about this crap…especially when the article has absolutely nothing to do with it. And I’m not even an Astros fan…the joke is just played out man, like severely played out. Get a new topic to obsess over already
Love the competition. Castellanos showed some attitude and as a lifetime cards fan – I love it.
He did walk it back later after the game when he said if he (Molina) would have punched him in the face he would have still asked for an autographed jersey from Molina. He is the real “cat.”
I would rather see this handled by a fastball up and in a few times next series. Chin music is all.
So what you’re saying is you want to see them brawl again.
baseball doesnt have enough brawls.
Instead of throwing at the players for scoring runs, I think they should sacrifice a fan with a fastball to ribs. That way they don’t risk injuring a player for simply doing their job.
@24TheKid- Damn, to the ribs? You must know how much rib pain hurts or you wouldn’t have been so specific but you don’t suppose a ball to the thigh or hind quarters wouldn’t be sufficient? I swear, if you were an executioner you would cut off heads with a rusty, hand held saw just to make SURE they learned their lesson. =))
Gotta make sure the point comes across as clear as possible.
Why don’t we agree to sacrifice one fan with a ball to the posterior. One less fan in the seats, likely, but less chance of serious injury.
Well we run the risk of the fan enjoying it for one.
Section 505, Row F, seat 12 please report to the fan service kiosk near field level section 101 to prepare for your sacrificial fan beaning during today’s seventh inning stretch
there would have been no brawl if Yadi didnt throw hands. I dont like what Castellanos did, but Yadi really made a mountain out of a molehill.
Can’t wait for this overrated scrub to retire already. Gatekeepers are the worst players in the game by far.
That “overrated scrub” is better at what he does than anything you’ve ever done in your life. Now sit down, little boy, and let the men speak.
@ A’s…Yea say that Yadi is overrated scrub to his face and I’m sure he will kick your teeth in…when you know something about baseball come back to the discussion…but you saying that about Molina shows your level of intelligence
you back up your teammate when someone is taunting/flexing over them. that’s where it started. would go the same way if tables were turned. kinda weird how this is so difficult for everybody; actions have consequences clearly yall. castellanos could’ve turned toward his dugout and celebrated but he stood over a dude after scoring, same thing gets you a tech in the nba. don’t taunt if it’s in the rules not to taunt. that is literally the escalation
Conveniently forgetting he got hit in the ribs with a 92 mph fastball but hey just keep pretending he did it for no reason.
Castellanos getting punished for “needlessly reengaging”
What exactly was it that Yadi did then?? Beyond ridiculous
Castellanos: does not lay a finger on anyone
Yadi: wraps his hands around another mans neck in anger
Dumb league. Manfred is so bad at this.
Stay in the UK and watch soccer. You don’t know baseball. Tough guy.
Maybe they should have called a 15-yard taunting penalty on Castellanos and been done with it.
Yadi definitely should have been suspended too. He is one of the most temper mental players in the game and has been since he entered the league
Rob Manfred is a disgrace
Sad to think that Jose Fernandez might still be alive if the Cubs had picked him.
That’s dark, but true to an extent.
You could play that game with every person that has ever died with the decisions they and others have made.
There’s a lake in Chicago.
Wouldn’t have changed the underlying character issues.
Hiflew –
I’m struggling to find the link between Jose Fernandez and this story…and what does any of it have to do with the Cubs? It’s a sad story for sure, but since he was drunk, recklessly driving the boat at 65 mph, and had coke in his system I don’t know that it was the Marlins fault.
Article says Fernandez was Cubs plan B if Baez had been picked already.
no cub is really alive
Have to wonder why Yadi loses his temper quick and often. Or so it seems. Good chance nothing happens if Yadi did not lose his cool after the play at home plate. Then there would be zero suspensions.
Meanwhile the instigator gets none. In Molina’s defense, you wouldn’t trust the commissioner’s office to do the right thing anyway.
Ya, it does seem like that, doesn’t it? I’ve seen plenty of clips where Molina is throwing off his face mask and getting in someone’s face.
Old guy gatekeeping made up phony rules that change depending on who does them, retire already and let everyone flip their bats – MLB is entertainment, the players have to entertain us, let them!
Yeah, I distinctly remember Yadi throwing a temper tantrum when Willson Contreras merely said he wanted to work on being the best catcher in the game. He didn’t claim to be, just said he wanted to be. Yadi has some issues for sure.
Wow. Hell just froze over. Four random posters on MLBTR agreed on something!
And the same logic can be applied to Castellanos…..if he hadn’t done either of the completely unnecessary actions he did, nothing would have happened. Hello?! Is this thing on?
Or if you don’t drill Castillanos in rib cage none of this happens.
I’m a cards fan (clearly by username) and this is ridiculous. He should not be suspended and if so Molina should be too. Plus it’s pretty stupid this has been called a brawl by so many. Benches cleared and there was yelling and shoving but no punches thrown, in my book that’s not a brawl at all.
NC didn’t touch anyone and got 2 games. Manfred is an idiot.
What I’m kind of perplexed by is why the benches weren’t warned after the Castellanos incident. Two Reds players were hit by pitches after the bench-clearing event and the pitchers weren’t ejected or even fined later.
If MLB continues to look the other way at this in-game retribution then it has no business issuing these after-the-fact penalties.
That’s the purpose of the after the fact suspensions… cooler heads take a more detached overview, look at the replays and make a decision that’s harder for umps to make in game. That’s the point. It’s not either or.
If you’re going to have a review system, I think it is either/or. Or are you saying the MLB-sanctioned punishment is fines, suspensions, AND having Andrew Miller drill a hitter late in the game down 5 runs or so?
I don’t really get your comment? If they only handed out punishment after, how would that stop a pitcher from plunking someone? The system is that umps make quick on field judgement calls, MLB hands out suspensions after a closer review. What’s so unfair about that?
After the bench-clearing incident, both benches should have been warned and there should have been zero tolerance for anything further. If you’re going to go back and review, that review should include zero tolerance for plunking guys after. Otherwise you’re giving both the team (Cardinals in this case) and the league each an opportunity to separately dole at punishment for their perception of how to settle a single infraction. So the other team (Reds in this case) probably now don’t feel like this is settled.
Molina always gets away with the crap he pulls
Let’s be honest – there is a “future Hall of Famer” exemption in most sports.
Future HOFr, lmao
Every confrontation should end with what happened to Toronto’s George Bell when he charged Aaron Sele. Boom!
There are a few out there like that.
Hard slide and tag by Ray Knight and Eric Davis. Davis came up swinging, but Ray Knight was a Golden Glove fighter growing up and dropped him in a split second.
Or Joey Bats squaring off against Roughneck Odor. A really dirty slide by Joey, followed by some shoving, followed by Joey putting his fists up, followed by Odor going over the top with a hard right. I still have no idea what Joey was looking to do.
How about Nolan Ryan and Robin Ventura LOL.
Color me shocked that Yadi and Arenado get fines for inserting themselves into the argument.
Completely asinine that Castellanos would be suspended for flexing on a guy. He didn’t even get into the scuffle
He started it. It all started because of him. Go rewatch the inning. Not hard to comprehend.
Actually his getting hit in the ribs started the whole thing but try again.
Ah remember when Yadi dragged his thumb across his throat while screaming and pointing at another player and uh….nothing happened?
Castellanos had every right to do that and I think Woodford is the bad guy in this, his play was extremely dirty and against the newer rules regarding protecting sliding runners, with Yadi #2 behind him (for putting his hands on NC) and NC #3 for taunting.
Deserved suspensions:
Woodford: 14 day
Yadi: 7 day
NC: 2 day
Its so clear the entire STL team hates NC. Him getting hit was on purpose and Woodford should have been thrown out there and then. Once again STL gets away with murder…
Wait. Woodward is the dirty player here? This is an awful take.
That’s an interesting take. Do Redbirds hate NC b/c of his torrid summer as a Cub too?
You’re an idiot
Only way Woodward get suspended is if he admits he intentionally hit Castellanos, but yes Molina should have got a pair of games if NC did, but really no one should have got suspended.
You sound like the biggest whiner in the history of fandom.
It’s sort of odd that no one has mentioned, in either the article itself or the comments, that Woodford landed on Castellanos’s back with his knee on that play at the plate. It didn’t appear intentional and it seems like the Castellanos was really annoyed by the HBP beforehand, but I think that is ultimately what set off his reaction.
Agreed 100%. Nick asked Yadi after the hbp if that was intentional so clearly that was in the back of his mind. He pimped a homer on Thursday while the Reds were far behind so he thought it might have been retaliation. THEN Woodford lands on him on the play. I’m not saying the hbp or the play at the plate were necessarily dirty or with bad intent but that’s not exactly a huge leap for NC to make. So he jumped up, yelled “LET’S F@&$N GO” at Woodford, then walked towards the dugout. Ooooh such malice.
Baseball as Yadi learned it says “I will not be disrespected nor will my teammates be disrespected”….. Right or wrong Yadi as always played the game this way, as have the St. louis Cardinals! If you don’t like them we really do not care. We will take care of our own! PS suspension was wrong….. let’s play ball…. NOTE: To Cincinnati we well get together again, you know it, we know it….. A little HATEis good for the game…..
I have no issue with how the cardinals reacted to anything other than throwing at players in the first place, I think it fired up both teams and I admire Castellanos’ passion. I’m not sure why youre playing beanball for a HR trot in a previous game you were winning and eventually won, I find that extremely petty on the Cards part. It resulted in a big inning in a close game, a stupid decision that ended up costing them.
Cards have a history of throwing at players. All instigated by Molina
Reds have a history of kicking Cardinals in the face with cleats like little children.
Awwww
Huh? Have you often seen children with cleats kicking people in the face? If so I don’t want my kids playing near yours.
Yadi learned how to make a throat slash gesture IN A RESPECTFUL WAY, of course, after clinching a playoff series by the ever respectful Tony LaRussa, who respectfully filled out his lineup cards with the most egregious roid abusers, and respectfully drives drunk repeatedly. Now respectfully resume clutching your pearls
This is MLB basically saying its OK to play beanball, but not OK to taunt the other team if youre intentionally beaned. The only pitcher I saw the umps talk to about not throwing at players was the Reds pitcher the half inning after. The Cards hit 2 more batters after the incident and nothing came of it. Neither of the incidents of contact by Cardinals players either approaching and grabbing or shoving a Reds player were punished as harshly. Really arbitrary application of the rules here by the league and the umpires.
A 2 game ban for getting hit by a pitch and then screaming in excitement for scoring a run? WTF? MLB has gone bananas, woke, soy boy, pajama boy, beta male all at once. What happened to testosterone? The last bastion of society, the great USA is doomed. As are we all. Pathetic. And I can’t wait for the MLBTR groupthink writers to remove this post.
The US will continue to be great. But it will be run by people that resolve their own issues, while the participation trophy winners will become baristas..
I canceled testosterone.
lol
Keep your nonsensical buzzwords to yourself, fly boy. People come here to talk baseball, not whatever it is you’re doing.
Yes, we should be only talking about baseball, but MLB is making so many decisions based on the current political climate they are ruining the game. And you think a lack of testosterone is a nonsensical buzzword? Case in point. He should not have been suspended and a generation ago (maybe even 5 years ago) he would not have been.
I think it probably gets pared back to one game, but the key point I’ve taken from this incident is the effort the Cardinals mustered after being directly challenged. The only punches landed in this brawl were against the dreadful STL pitching staff.
He didn’t deserve a suspension. Suspending him for showing passion for the game is idiotic. It wasn’t taunting
Yeah ok
One team is being favored here, and it’s not the Reds. I was surprised that Castellanos was ejected, let alone suspended.
Can a team file an appeal for increasing a suspension? Yadi deserves some games.
there are taunting rules in just about every major sport except baseball. it’s needed now. no taunting, no bat flips.
ok grandpa
Well is a bat flip considered taunting? Full on celebrations are allowed in the NFL until you get in the face of the opposing team.
Any player refusing knee socks is automatically on the hot seat. Batting gloves add a .5 game suspension as does the little wrap around on the jaw of the helmet. NC was a dead man waking.
Yadi gets too much respect. Not talking about his talent which is obvious. He grabbed a dude by the neck and doesn’t get suspended? Ridiculous.
Poor wittle Nicky. I hope he can recover from his severe injuries. Hopefully that nasty red mark goes away soon….grow up.
I would blame the umpire. He didn’t control his base. If he had thought NC’s remark was more than a baseball emotion, he should have instantly tossed him.
Then when Molina came after NC he should have been tossed immediately as there is no “protecting my pitcher’s honor” rule. And the putting hands on an opponent is spelled out in rules and expanded during covid protocols and should have been ejected and suspended.
Then the league should have fined and suspended Molina as his aggressive action caused him to bump the umpire during this action. Intentional or not his contact was brought about during an illegal action and should be dealt in a fair unbiased way.
So a lot of things went wrong starting with umpire and the fans have a lot of legitimate complaints. But I would contend MLB doesn’t really give a hoot what the fans think.
“But I would contend MLB doesn’t really give a hoot what the fans think.”
Pretty hard contention to argue with.
Molina deserves a long vacation. The Reds player was not trying to fight the pitcher. He just yelled at him and did a little pose. So what?
100% Agree…
It appears, that masculinity and competitiveness will not be further tolerated in the game of baseball, and so continues the pussification of America.
From now on, the winner of the game will be decided by which team knitted the nicest pair of mittens.
Yeah, it’s a big change.
But no one will be made to feel like a Big Scary Man because that’s bad, guys.
That’s our cat’s name. Of course, I’m from The Bronx, so his full name is Murder Mittens. I’m guessing that Manfred would not approve.
Good Ol Yadi…loves to be a HA. Castellanos said and did all the right things after he grabbed him from behind, but Yadimouth loves to stir the pot…Phillips ran his mouth th last time, but Yadi instigated it…he’s a bully that needs to be dealt with. See you in ‘Louie on the 23rd…
“brawling” without masks?! The horror!
The first response is the best one.
What Nick did is no different than what players do when hitting a HR and bat flips. The fact he got ejected was stupid enough but a suspension is even worse. Nothing physical happened until Molina grabbed him by the neck. Molina is the only one who should have been ejected and suspended.
It was ridiculous. Unless the umpire had already tossed him for taunting, how can you possibly toss the guy for Molina grabbing him? He didn’t do anything after the yell. As in, absolutely nothing.
Just watched the replay. What a joke. Castellanos did absolutely -0- wrong. Molina started up a couple of seconds after the action ended, but even that was almost nothing. Maybe a small fine for both guys, just to say Big Brother is looking, but the entire thing was a nothing-burger.
Pretty much, @Brady.
But that’s what makes it funny. “Let the kids play blahfeckingblahblahblah”.
So stupid.
I love how people sit here and say Castellano did nothing…he was not hit on purpose and he took getting hit as it was intentional…there was absolutely no reason for Woodford to hit him…even the cardinals players said they had no problem with how Castellano took his home run trot…but he took it personal and tried to offer the ball back to the pitcher..that’s disrespectful to begin with…then he stands over him and yells and flexes in another mans face…please go ahead and tell me you would take that from another man if it happened to you…then I will tell you are just like Castellano…you’re right if you say that Castellano didn’t do anything after Molina grabbed him…that’s a weird move…you start $h!+ but don’t finish…instead he hid behind his friends and had a deer in the headlights look…kind of a p__$$y move…but hey I respect Castellano because of what he said afterwards about Molina…he’s human so we all make mistakes…but it’s laughable that you try to defend him and say he didn’t do anything when clearly he did…but I will say I don’t think he should have gotten ejected and definitely not suspended
Do you think that the Cardinals would say yes, we hit him intentionally. 2 outs no one on, the day after NC showboated and a fastball in the ribs. It’s ok the Cards played themselves, the got Cincy juiced up.
Woodford did not do that on purpose…give me a break…yea what game 2 of the season and people are getting upset? No way…plus what Castellano did wasn’t anywhere close to being horribly disrespectful…Wainwright said that and that guy doesn’t lie…you’re just like Castellano…making a big deal out of nothing
I don’t think Wainwright made the call, but I do think Molina did. Molina is the problem, not the Cardinals, not Woodford, and not Castellanos. Molina loses his temper, and constantly needs to show how tough he is. Ask your self this. How many fights / altercations is Molina in the center of? He thinks old school, but it’s a new game now.
cards8134 mins ago
but it’s laughable that you try to defend him and say he didn’t do anything when clearly he did…
=======================================================================
And what was it that he did? I’ve watched the replay several times. Did he actually make contact with any of the Cards’ players, outside of the pitcher falling on him during the slide?
He slid in, jumped up, yelled, and walked to the dugout. Let me know if you see him doing anything different.
He clearly disrespected the pitcher by offering the ball back…he then stood over a man and screamed and flexed on him…I’m confused? How was that not clear in my first post? He enticed the whole thing…sorry if you can’t see that…once again I will ask you…if a man stood over you, screamed and flexed would you sit there and take that? I hope not…because that’s kinda disrespectful
Also this whole…omg he fell on him thing is ridiculous…clearly it was a bang-bang play at the plate and totally unintentional…you people need to find Jesus
cards811 hour ago
Also this whole…omg he fell on him thing is ridiculous…
======================================================
Did I say there was anything wrong with that?
Y’all need to stop whining. Castellanos did some showboating. Woodford drilled him. Castellanos got the last laugh by coming around to score, and let Woodford know it. Molina then tried to start a fight by clawing at Castellanos.
FWIW, I got no dog in this race. I’m not a fan of the Reds or the Cards. But Castellanos id nothing wrong. If you don’t want to hear someone crow after he scores, don’t drill him. This is the price the Cards paid. It only gets worse whining about how he disrespected you.
The him-falling-on-him thing is actually crazy talk, it was a bang-bang play at the plate and nothing more. His momentum took him there and I’m sure NC knows as much. I have no issue personally with Castellanos getting suspended – others might and thats their opinion – what I have issue with is no one on the Cards side was handed anything but a fine. They were the only ones who got physical, and this is after the umps applied the asinine covid rules on NC as justification for the ejection.
cards811 hour ago
He clearly disrespected the pitcher by offering the ball back…
==============================================================
And that’s worth a two-game suspension? Ridiculous.
He hurt his pride with mean words. You can’t just say lets go, and expect to get away with it
So you would let a man stand over you and say let’s go…then do nothing about it?
He probably would.
Castellanos walked away. Molina went after him. It was already over,
NC wasn’t standing over Molina, and Woody didn’t react until Molina did. I’d feel bad after plunking the guy and then kneeing him hard in the same spot.
@cards81
So you would let a man stand over you and say let’s go…then do nothing about it?
——————–
Thats what Woodford did
And it sounds like thats what youre asking Castellanos to do, just get beaned and do nothing about it
Castellanos didn’t do “nothing”. He went to first base as a reward for a beaning. That’s the rule. Castellanos thought, without evidence, he did it on purpose. Castellanos like others are well protected in the batters box by padding and overpolicing umpires. Take the beaning, trot to first. The end, no troubles.
a beaning is head shot. he wasn’t beaned
Not sure on that one, but a rose by any other name applies.
Sorry troll, you are incorrect. Thanks for playing.
He had all the evidence he needed. Woodford drilled him because he was showboating. This is not particularly complicated.
And I thought he got drilled in the ribs. I’m not sure he had padding on his ribs.
IRT to taking his drilling and not reacting, same goes for the Cards. He made them pay for hitting him. Take it like a man and it is over.
So its ok to throw at players because they have padding? Jesus…..what a ridiculous opinion.
Do not intentionally throw at players. The end, no troubles.
Suspend both or neither- if flexing is suspendable then so is grabbing a guy from behind like Molina did!
Crazy how Javy Baez was passed up by 9 other teams. Cubs nearly missed out on Kris Bryant too
I don’t see why Castellanos was suspended. He was pumped up after he scored. Nothing wrong with that.
Considering how good the draft was, why is it that surprising?
Baez is going to be better in the long run if he ever stop the wild swing out of the zone.
Lindell & Baez both might be a hall of famer
It’s a “covid violation” to do what he did..but it’s perfectly fine to be as close as you want to your teammates..smh..Molina is a f’n clown, and should be suspended..
Reds players and fans all with a case of “little man” syndrome. Just can’t handle being put in their place.