The Padres have placed right-handers Dinelson Lamet and Keone Kela on the 10-day injured list, Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune reports. The team recalled relievers Nick Ramirez and Nabil Crismatt to fill the open roster spots.
Lamet left his first start of the season Wednesday with right forearm soreness, so it’s no surprise he will miss time. The question is whether Lamet will avoid Tommy John surgery, a procedure he underwent in 2018. Manager Jayce Tingler did offer a promising update on Lamet on Thursday, saying (via Bill Shaikin of the Los Angeles Times) that he “feels very, very good” and will try to throw Friday.
“If everything goes well, we’ll shoot for him to make the start after the 10 days are up,” Tingler added.
A quick return for Lamet would be a significant boon for the Padres, considering his troubling history of serious arm issues and his importance to their rotation. Lamet was a legitimate NL Cy Young candidate during a breakout 2020 in which he recorded a 2.09 ERA with a 34.8 percent strikeout rate across 69 innings, but his season came to an end in late September because of a UCL strain. His recovery from that injury put him behind schedule entering this year.
Kela’s joining Lamet on the shelf because of shoulder tightness, Tingler said (via AJ Cassavell of MLB.com). Like Lamet, health problems have held Kela back during his career. Shoulder woes helped limit the former Pirate to 29 2/3 innings in 2019, and then a positive COVID-19 test and forearm tightness held him to two frames last year.
Despite Kela’s lack of durability from 2019-20, the Padres elected to take a $1.2MM flyer on him in free agency. The results were encouraging until Wednesday, when Kela took a loss against the Brewers after yielding three earned runs on two hits and a walk in a 34-pitch inning of work. Overall, Kela has has allowed four earned runs on eight hits with 12 strikeouts against three walks in 8 2/3 frames.
Let the Preller bashing begin, again
Brewer – I muted all of the bashers.
Enjoy your echo chamber
There’s nothing to bash when he trades idk Gore or prospects for another ace. As previous peeps mentioned why isn’t Gore up yet? They might see something that hurts his long term value. Think he won’t trade Gore if he doesn’t like him? Look Max Fried for reference.
@Hosmer for HOF and how did trading Max Fried work out for him?
Well, Max Fried is currently injured and has had a disastrous start to 2021 so we’d be right back at square one about what to do if Fried misses time.
@I Beg To Differ and how is Justin Upton doing for the Padres these days?
Fairly well.
Upton became the Laurer pick which became Trent Grisham and Zach Davies.
I’d say Trent Grisham and Yu Darvish, acquired for Davies and others, are contributing more to the padres than Michael Fulmer is currently.
Kennedy signed before Upton which became the 24th pick, Hudson Potts, Upton signed later which became the 25th pick. Eric Lauer.
@I Beg to Differ…
1. Who is “Laurer?”
2. Luis Urias was the one the Brewers were trading for.
3. The Padres had to include other players besides Zach Davies to get Yu Darvish. And Davies was probably the least valuable player the Cubs got in the trade to them because he’s a rental. That trade still happens without Davies. I honestly don’t know why they wanted him in the first place.
4. Dollar-for-dollar, Max Fried would have contributed far more to the Padres than anyone you named.
Anything else you care to be wrong about tonight?
1. Who is “Laurer?”
Really man? He added an R. It’s clear as day he meant Eric Lauer, who was also included in that Mil trade
“ And Davies was probably the least valuable player the Cubs got in the trade to them because he’s a rental. That trade still happens without Davies”
You really think removing the 2020 Padres best starting pitcher was less impactful than 4 19-21 year old prospects? Davies is the exact guy they should have held onto to protect Weathers and eventually Gore from being rushed. How can you claim he’s insignificant?
Cmon Remove. Eric Lauer was drafted 25th overall in 2018, just like @beg to differ said.
BTD actually does say his name as well at the end
I’m sure you’ll own being wrong
1. Eric Lauer was still used to acquire Trent Grisham and Yu Darvish when all is said and done, no matter how you try to deny it.
2. Fried has had 1 good season during a shortened 2020 campaign, currently injured with muscle spasms in his back.
3. Michael Fulmers stock has diminished from where it once was.
So the Upton trade worked out well in the Padres favor.
@BefortMCCourt I’m serious. I have no idea who this Laurer guy is.
And Davies has no value to the Cubs as a one-year rental on a rebuilding team. I honestly don’t know why they wanted him included in the trade in the first place. He’s literally hurting the Cubs at this point (money, draft position).
And Lauer was drafted in 2016.
@I Beg To Differ…
1. That trade was about Urias for the Brewers. There were other pitchers the Padres could have included to get the deal done if not Lauer. He’s not the type of pitcher that makes or breaks a trade.
2. Fried was great in 2017-’18 and ok in 2019. Even 2019 Fried would make the Padres rotation at this point.
3. So has Lauer’s.
So no, the Upton trade was HORRIBLE for the Padres.
Wanna try again?
“Great”
2017 3.81 era, 5.48 xera, 4.81 FIP, 4.27 FIP 9 games 4 starts
2018 2.94 era, 4.33 xera, 3.67 FIP, 3.24 xfip 14 games, 5 starts
2019 4.02 era, 3.97 xera, 3.72 FIP, 3.32 33 games, 30 starts
Sure. I guess that’s “great” if youre a great #4 or a good #3.
“That trade was about Urias for the Brewers. There were other pitchers the Padres could have included to get the deal done”
So you’re saying you have inside information the Padres could have acquired Davies and Grisham without giving up Lauer? Ok show us the proof.
Until then Urias and Lauer netted the Padres Grisham and Davies. That was the deal. Padres clearly benefitted more from that end of the deal.
You’re not very good at this.
@I Beg To Differ yeah, a 2.94 ERA is great. And even 2017 or 2019 Fried would make the Padres rotation at this point.
Obviously I don’t have inside info but no one cares about Eric Lauer. He is basically a replacement level pitcher. You really think the Brewers would make the trade contingent on getting THAT in return? Because I don’t. The trade was always going to come down to Luis Urias for Milwaukee. And the Darvish trade is going to come down to the prospects for Chicago.
You keep coming back and getting smacked back down with facts I Beg To Differ. Do yourself a favor and quit while you are far behind.
Adding on… Max Fried is 27 years old, first time arb eligible as a Super Two player this year and can not be a free agent until the 2024-25 offseason. It’s not like this is it for his contributions to the Atlanta Braves.
2.94 era in 14 games? HOF stuff right there from Max Fried.
His #3/#4 level production? Well least the Braves will get good production from his contract.
Meanwhile Padres are enjoying Trent Grisham who isn’t a free agent until 2026.
“Obviously I don’t have inside info”
Ah so you’ve disproven nothing I’ve said, at all. Well. A for effort right?
Justin Upton became Eric Lauer
Luis Urias and Eric Lauer become Trent Grisham and Zach Davies
Zach Davies became Yu Darvish
Just so we cover all basis
2021 Fried 3 games 3 starts 11.45 era and 11 innings
2021 Darvish 4 games 4 starts 2.55 era and 24.2 innings
So far Padres are getting more out of Darvish believe it or not.
3.82 ERA for his career. And how’s Eric Lauer doing?
PS: Only trolls say stuff like “HOF stuff right there” when the pitcher is obviously not on a HOF trajectory but doesn’t need to be to provide value.
And who they could have easily gotten without trading Max Fried
1. Darvish is making way more money
2. They could have gotten him without trading away Max Fried easy
Stop being so obtuse and admit that the Justin Upton trade was a colossal failure on every level.
3.82 era. Right a good #3.
How’s Eric Lauer doing? Idk. Idc. I care how Trent Grisham is doing. He’s the one playing for the Padres.
Did you miss the whole Fried for Upton for Lauer for Grisham. I’ve said it like 5 times.
In 303 ABS for the Padres Grisham is hitting .263/.362/.483 good for an OPS of .845 and a OPS+ of 135. Oh and gold glove defense.
Baby noises: ” I want to be right and I want to be right right now!”
Don’t with your temper tantrum there remove?
Padres got Darvish and Grisham by parting with Fried for Upton. Unless you have definitive proof other deals would have resulted in the same outcome. Do you?
Prove the Padres could have gotten Grisham and Davies without including Lauer.
I’d like a verifiable and trusted source on this. Not your blog ihateajpreller.org
@I Beg To Differ
“3.82 era. Right a good #3.”
Yeah. A good #3 that the Padres could REALLY use right now. Way more than they could have used 1 year of Justin Upton in a year where they missed the playoffs by a mile.
“How’s Eric Lauer doing? Idk. Idc. I care how Trent Grisham is doing. He’s the one playing for the Padres.”
But he is who we drafted with the Upton comp pick.
“Did you miss the whole Fried for Upton for Lauer for Grisham. (sic) I’ve said it like 5 times.”
No. Did you know that Lauer was a tertiary piece in that trade and not a headliner?
“In 303 ABS for the Padres Grisham is hitting .263/.362/.483 good for an OPS of .845 and a OPS+ of 135. Oh and gold glove defense.”
And we could have gotten him without Lauer.
“Baby noises: ‘ I want to be right and I want to be right right now!’”
Yeah, that is what you sound like isn’t it?
“Don’t (sic) with your temper tantrum there remove?”
Explaining to you why you are wrong is not a temper tantrum buddy.
“Padres got Darvish and Grisham by parting with Fried for Upton. Unless you have definitive proof other deals would have resulted in the same outcome. Do you?”
Lauer was the tertiary piece in the Grisham trade. Not someone the Brewers (or any team) was falling over themselves trying to acquire. And Davies was the tertiary piece in the Darvish trade.
“Prove the Padres could have gotten Grisham and Davies without including Lauer.
I’d like a verifiable and trusted source on this. Not your blog ihateajpreller.org”
Tertiary pieces don’t make or break trades. There’s your source. And there you go with the troll comments again. Often the last refuge of one who knows he or she is losing an argument.
Checkmate.
So you don’t have any evidence to prove we could have gotten Grisham and Darvish without including Lauer. Got it.
All you had to say was “no”.
Didn’t need a whole book to tell me that.
Again. Youre not very good at this.
@I Beg To Differ Where’s your evidence to prove the Padres couldn’t have gotten Grisham and Davies without Lauer? :^)
Also,
You should look up the definition of tertiary: of third rank, importance, or value
Padres get Trent Grisham and Zach Davies
Brewers get Luis Urias and Eric Lauer.
Whos the third guy to make Lauer tertiary? You need 3. You’re saying Lauer is tertiary to PTBNL or cash considerations? Eh bit of a stretch there. At the time Lauer had more value than PTBNL or cash considerations.
@I Beg To Differ Yes. I am saying the PTBNL or cash had more value than Lauer.
I’ll ask it again. Where’s your evidence to prove the Padres couldn’t have gotten Grisham and Davies without Lauer? That the Brewers HAD to get that specific guy in the trade as opposed to someone else or they don’t make it?
Evidence: that was the trade that happened in reality
Too easy. It’s literally what happened.
Evidence: that is the trade that happened. Did it not? Eric Lauer was included. Brewers agreed they were willing to accept Lauer as part of the deal.
So you still have 0 proof it would have happened without Lauer in the deal. Got it. And now you’re resorting to trying to debunk a trade that already happened from a different angle.
It happened. Lauer was included. Thank you Lauer for helping us get Grisham.
@I Beg To Differ That’s not what I asked. I asked for evidence that the Brewers HAD to get specifically Eric Lauer in the trade instead of someone else. Obviously the trade happened with Lauer. That was one way Preller could have gotten it done. But according to you it is the ONLY way Preller could have gotten it done. That if Preller had tried to include someone else besides Lauer the Brewers would have passed.
Now where is your evidence of that? :^)
Evidence: Brewers accepted the trade.
You’re the one originally claiming it could have been any pitcher besides Lauer.
“There were other pitchers the Padres could have included to get the deal done if not Lauer.”
Put up or shut up.
You also already admitted you can’t back up what you said 😉 remember
“Obviously I don’t have inside info”
Don’t make claims you can’t back up with evidence ;).
It’s adorable you moved the goal posts from
“There were other pitchers the Padres could have included to get the deal done if not Lauer.”
To
“Where’s your evidence to prove the Padres couldn’t have gotten Grisham and Davies without Lauer.”
You failed to produce evidence multiple times. You had multiple chances to do so. Instead you moved the goal post and changed your argument asking me to prove something I never claimed. Exactly what a loser does when they know they’re beat. They shift their argument cause it isn’t working and make a new argument based off claims never made. Hilarious 😉
Congratulations. You played yourself.
@I Beg To Differ…
“Evidence: Brewers accepted the trade.”
Again, that’s not what I’m asking. I’m asking for evidence that the Brewers would NOT have accepted the trade had it not been for Lauer’s inclusion.
“Put up or shut up.”
Lucchesi, Margevicius, Perdomo, Quantrill, etc.
“You also already admitted you can’t back up what you said 😉 remember
‘Obviously I don’t have inside info'”
I don’t have to have inside info to back up what I said. The Brewers are not going to hang up the phone because of a tertiary piece in the trade. No team is. Including Lauer was one way for Preller to get the trade done and was the path he took in OTL. Not the ONLY way to get it done.
“It’s adorable you moved the goal posts from
‘There were other pitchers the Padres could have included to get the deal done if not Lauer.’
To
‘Where’s your evidence to prove the Padres couldn’t have gotten Grisham and Davies without Lauer.’
Both are true. The Padres had other pitchers to trade (I already named them) and you have no evidence that the Brewers HAD to get Eric Lauer in the trade as opposed to some other pitcher or even a prospect.
“You failed to produce evidence multiple times.”
Actually I did produce evidence. You just didn’t like the evidence I provided so you kept asking for evidence.
“Instead you moved the goal post and changed your argument asking me to prove something I never claimed.”
Which is exactly what you were doing in the first place!
“Exactly what a loser does when they know they’re beat. They shift their argument cause it isn’t working and make a new argument based off claims never made. ”
As evidenced by you
“Hilarious”
Yeah, you are quite hilarious aren’t you?
:^)
All that to say you still have no evidence to back up your claim of
“There were other pitchers the Padres could have included to get the deal done if not Lauer.”
@I Beg To Differ I literally just named the pitchers they could have included. Although with Fried on the roster it’s possible they don’t trade for Davies in the first place unless Preller is particularly bullish on him. But Preller clearly never liked Urias so he still does Grisham for Urias (likely with some other, smaller pieces going to Milwaukee/San Diego).
PS:
:^)
Listing pitcher names isn’t the same as backing up your claim from a source. Nice try though.
Comments from the gms, inside reporters, etc where they talk about the structure of the deal. Thats a source.
“There were other pitchers the Padres could have included to get the deal done if not Lauer.”
So where’s your source on this? Your opinion isn’t a source and doesn’t disprove anything.
“Although with Fried on the roster it’s possible they don’t trade for Davies”
Source? Eric Lauer was on the roster and they swapped out Davies for Lauer.
2019 Lauer 4.45 era, 4.35 xera, 4.23 FIP, 4.77 xfip in 30 games and 29 starts 2.3 war
2019 Fried 4.02 era, 3.97 xera, 3.72 FIP, 3.32 33 games, 30 starts 3 war
2019 Fried was a #3/#4 and 2019 Lauer was a #4/#5
So source on “with Fried on the roster it’s possible they don’t trade for Davies”
Davies had less WAR in 2019 than Lauer
2.3 WAR vs 1.5 WAR. On paper it was a downgrade.
@I Beg To Differ You’re missing the point. They could have used any of those pitchers instead of Eric Lauer. Do you have a source that said it had to be Lauer and not one of those other guys? Comments from the gms? Inside reporters? Didn’t think so.
“So where’s your source on this? Your opinion isn’t a source and doesn’t disprove anything.”
Where’s your source that they couldn’t?
“Source? Eric Lauer was on the roster and they swapped out Davies for Lauer.”
Fried was markedly better than Lauer as per the stats you cited. So I figure that if they had Fried instead of Lauer in the first place they don’t make that part of the trade. You could have argued at the time that Lauer for Davies was a lateral move. You can’t make that argument with Fried for Davies.
Yeah, you really are bad at this aren’t you? :^)
Still no source to back up anything you’ve said. Love it. And now your counter is “show your sources!” Lmao. You’re the one making unverifiable claims like….
“There were other pitchers the Padres could have included to get the deal done if not Lauer.”
“Although with Fried on the roster it’s possible they don’t trade for Davies”
Reality: Brewers and Padres announced the deal and agreed to the terms. No amount of whining from you changes that.
I hope you’ve enjoyed this education session. Hopefully you learned a lot like: don’t say things you can’t verify, your opinion means nothing, look up stats before running your mouth.
“Still no source to back up anything you’ve said. Love it.”
Pot, meet kettle.
“Lmao. You’re the one making unverifiable claims like….”
So are you.
“Reality: Brewers and Padres announced the deal and agreed to the terms. No amount of whining from you changes that.”
Yeah. That was one way to get the trade done and was the way Preller ended up doing it. Doesn’t mean it was the ONLY way the trade was getting done.
“I hope you’ve enjoyed this education session. Hopefully you learned a lot like: don’t say things you can’t verify, your opinion means nothing, look up stats before running your mouth.”
What’s hilarious is you think I’m the one that’s getting educated here. You’ve ignored countless opportunities to put down the shovel and just kept digging. That you fail to recognize your own malady in this case is again quite hypocritical and ironic. I did look up the stats and the stats say that Max Fried is a solid starter, first month of 2021 notwithstanding and Eric Lauer is replacement level. Not the type of guy teams hang up trade negotiations over.
So I really do hope you have learned a few things this week about inference and reading between the lines. But knowing you, you’ll probably just keep covering your ears and stomping your feet.
:^)
When it rains, it pours. Hopefully the Pads can find a way to get healthy. No bueno, so far.
You should do pre and post-season grades for off-season moves. Here’s what we and our readers thought, this is how it turned out.
This is why they bought depth at so many levels.
…you mean traded all their MLB ready depth except for their top minor leaguers who aren’t mlb ready?
They’ve dumped a ton of pitching because they thought they were upgrading personal, instead of actually stockpiling depth
They signed Kela and gave up no one to do so, so off point?
They put two pitchers on the IL at the same time and yet you refuse to speak about the numerous MLB level arms Preller has dealt in the last 2 years? Heck just last offseason?
It’s all intertwined Brewer. Not sure how you haven’t figured that out yet.
I know what you’re saying it’s that you say the same thing regardless of the article/topic.
You mean I have a consistent opinion how to build a team? That’s a bad thing?
You and many others claimed the trades this offseason didn’t matter because they kept Gore and the other top 3/4. I said they will have a huge impact because the Padres severely reduced Their organizational depth at the mlb level. And that’s what’s playing out. Why would I not continue to repeat the thing that has happened..?
How did they severely reduce their MLB depth by getting inarguably two of the best pitchers in baseball for table scraps. They didn’t need to move much of their professional depth at all. In fact, the ability to plug and play a top Overseas signing in a “break glass in case of emergency” like Tatis going down, shows just how much depth they have.
Injury bug has been ruthless for Pads this year. It’s causing them to underperform. As a Chi Sox fan, I’ve been in the same boat too. This Padres team is damn good, they just need some time to put it together.
TIL that Luis Patiño, Cole Wilcox, Reginald Preciado and Ismael Mena are “table scraps”
“ inarguably two of the best pitchers in baseball for table scraps. ”
I’m sorry, the Padres acquired two more pitchers I don’t know of?? None of Snell, Darvish or Musgrove are “inarguably two of the best pitchers in baseball. Holy hell what a joke.
Aside from the guys Remove mentioned, specifically Patino, do not forget Davies, Lucchessi and Quantril as guys they recently traded from the mlb roster, along with moving multiple prospects.
That is the definition of reducing your quality MLB depth. They traded at least 4 SP in 2 years that are on the MLB level and now their bullpen is being run into the ground because they pitch 4 innings a night.
If Davies, Luchessi and Quantril are your definition of “quality MLB depth” that shouldn’t have been traded away, then why aren’t the performing well for their current teams? The current performance seems to challenge your definition. You really want them as opposed to what we have seen out of the 3 we traded for?
Consistently repetively saying nothing. but is this all you can talk about post after post? The article could be about Cronenthworths cat and you’d rant on about Preller.
BeforeMcCourt. Huh? Are you really sticking to this narrative?
“I’m sorry, the Padres acquired two more pitchers I don’t know of?? None of Snell, Darvish or Musgrove are “inarguably two of the best pitchers in baseball.” Holy hell what a joke.”
Counterpoint:
Musgrove is arguably one of the top five best starters in baseball this year. The Pads saw something big in him and are currently being rewarded (well beyond him simply ending the team’s no-hitter drought). And Darvish has been very good this year and was easily a top ten starter in baseball last year. Do you follow baseball or are you a Michael Tracey contrarian?
So you can season up and not look like a fool.
mlb.com/news/joe-musgrove-breakout-is-for-real
Depth is always important, perhaps now more than any other season. Versatility, too. You need quality players who can step in when the inevitable injuries occur. The Dodgers are without Bellinger and Lux, and Betts has missed five games. On the pitching side, no Gonsolin or Kelly and Graterol just returned. Some decent-size hits there, but no one is whining about Dodgers injuries. They just plug the holes and keep on winning, shifting guys to whichever position is necessary. They’ve even rested players like Turner, Muncy, and Seager because they have guys who can temporarily step in.
Musgrove is a free agent by start of 2023 season
Snell by start of 2024 season
Darvish by start of 2024 season.
In the mean time drafts and ifa signings occur.
Have a feeling we may see a change in Padres philosophy next couple drafts where they target college arms more so than high school high upside signings.
End of the 2021 mlb draft Padres should be looking at Steven Hajjar from Michigan or Jordan Wicks from Kansas State.
for what its worth, i think they prioritize locking up Java Joe (assuming decent results and consistency) when Myers comes off the books after ’22.
I get Lamet wanting to avoid TJS #2 of course for very obvious reasons
But damn does anyone think 10 days and he’s good to go, if he couldn’t make it to the 3rd in start #1. It’s almost cringe-worthy the lack of regard for pitcher health
Before – you start with “Lamet wants to avoid” but end with “lack of regard for pitcher health”.
You really just want to have it both ways or can’t help but want to blame the team anyway?
It makes sense to me. The point seems to be the Padres put Lamet back on the mound too fast.
CEY – I get nothing like that. He makes the point that 10 days won’t be enough – the 10 day IL that he just landed on. That has nothing to do with the rehab process over the past 7 months. Maybe he meant multiple things though.
Cey nailed it. Sure looks like you’re trying to argue for no reason, longtime. It’s pretty clear
The transition “but damn” indicates I’m moving to a second point. I even separated them. What more do you want?
I’m clearly talking about the comments Preller made today. He said Lamet will be back, again, in just 10 days. That is a ridiculously quick turnaround on forearm tightness that really should make you cringe too. Forearm tightness is usually 2-3 weeks just to get an MRI. Not half that time to just run him back out with no images and hope for the best.
I didn’t have the benefit of Prellers comments today as I had not heard them – just your post. I agree with the 10 days not enough. I just didn’t make the connection to the pas and future references due to lack of context, ie not having heard prellers post and you were basing your post off. No, not arguing for sake of argument. Yes, tired of all the hate toward management.
If Kela having shoulder inflammation is Preller’s fault then so was Weathers 1=hitter Preller’s fault.
The Padres have lost all series except 2 in 2021, doesn’t sound like playoff temes to me.
White Sox haven’t been over 500 this year at all, and I think they are still going to take that division in a heated race against the (currently last place) Twins, not the (currently 1st place) Royals. It’s been less than an 1/8 of the season. Let the talent take over.
The Padres are 1-0 without Lamet and Kela.
the Padres have lost 1 series against a projected non playoff team in 2021, against an upstart divisional opponent in early April. Doesn’t sound like anythinges to me. After this Dodger series, Padres have 14 straight games against D-backs, Bucs, Rockies, and Giants. If they go 7-7 in that stretch, you may be on to something. Until then, this take is the same as someone saying Yankees and Twins are the 2 worst teams in the AL in 2021: Factual right now, but effectively meaningless and unlikely to come to fruition
The Padres in 2021 have not been swept by a single team that has won the World Series since 1958. Wow talk about a playoff juggernaut! The crow’s all ready for ya Larry, feel free to dig in!
These truly meaningful stats just keep coming folks: The Padres in 2021 have a .667 winning percentage against all World Series participants since 2010!
We’ve all heard of the guy with two first names, but how many guys have two first names only within their last name? I give you……Nabil Crismatt