After a 7-3 loss to the Twins on May 7, the Tigers were a dismal 9-24, and Jonathan Schoop was hitting only .185/.217/.250 through his first 115 plate appearances of the 2021 season. Since that date, however, things have greatly improved for both player and team. Detroit has quietly gone 31-27 over the last two-plus months, while Schoop’s revived bat has been a big part of that success — the veteran infielder has hit .320/.368/.567 with 14 homers over his last 253 PA.
While the AL Central is far from a strong division, the Tigers’ surge can probably be seen more as a positive step forward for a rebuilding team than it is a hint of a surprise second-half playoff push. Fangraphs still gives the Tigers a zero percent chance of reaching the postseason, and the club is both 11.5 games out of a wild card berth and 15 games behind the first-place White Sox. As solid as Detroit has been since that May 7 nadir, this is still a team that looks like it will be selling at the trade deadline, and an impending free agent like Schoop stands out as a likely candidate to be moved.
Schoop has spent the last two seasons in the Motor City on a pair of one-year free agent contracts, and delivered some solidly above-average offense. The 29-year-old has hit .277/.322/.469 with 24 homers over 545 PA and 131 games in a Tigers uniform, good for a 113 wRC+ and 118 OPS+. While the right-handed hitting Schoop has been solid against righty pitching, he has been particularly productive against left-handers this year, with an .880 OPS in 98 PA against southpaws.
Looking at the Statcast numbers, Schoop has a subpar .322 xwOBA, lower than his .337 wOBA. While he is making more hard contact than last year, Schoop’s hard-hit percentage is still exactly middle of the pack in the 50th percentile. Schoop has improved his strikeout rate (at least in comparison to the rest of the league) over his two years in Detroit, though he still isn’t walking much, as his lackluster 5.7% walk rate in 2021 actually represents a career high over a full season.
A second baseman for much of his nine-year MLB career, Schoop has actually been more of a regular at first baseman this year, as the Tigers have given youngster Willi Castro most of the playing time at the keystone. This new position will only increase Schoop’s trade value to potential suitors, as an interested team could deploy Schoop at either first or second base depending on the need, or shuttle him between the two positions based on matchups. Schoop also has shortstop experience but hasn’t played the position since 2018.
Cash-wise, Schoop would be a pretty inexpensive addition for small-market teams, or bigger-payroll clubs looking to avoid a luxury tax bill. His one-year deal is worth $4.5MM, so only around $1.6MM of that salary would still be owed to Schoop by July 30.
Injuries, long winning/losing streaks, and other swaps could drastically shake up this list in the coming days, but at the moment, let’s examine which teams might be the best fits for a Schoop deal between now and the trade deadline.
The Other Rebuilders
We can safely rule out the Diamondbacks, Royals, Orioles, Pirates, Rangers, Rockies, Twins, and Marlins, since their attention will be focused on moving their own trade chips prior to the deadline.
On The Fringe
The Cubs, Cardinals, and Nationals are all under .500 and — according to Fangraphs — have less than a five percent chance at the playoffs. Barring a big hot streak in the next two weeks, none of this trio will have much use for a rental player like Schoop, and could be selling players of their own. (Cubs president of baseball operations Jed Hoyer has already hinted that his team is more inclined to act as deadline sellers.)
The Braves are only slightly ahead with a 7.7% chance at a postseason berth, and Atlanta also has a losing record of 44-45. Both the Nats and Braves might wait until pretty close to the last minute to sell since they’re still within striking distance in the NL East, though Ronald Acuna Jr.’s season-ending ACL tear might realistically close the book on Atlanta’s chances. Schoop is something of an imperfect fit anyway in Atlanta, as Freddie Freeman and Ozzie Albies have first and second base covered.
The Mariners are being given only a three percent chance at the playoffs, which perhaps seems a little slim considering Seattle is 48-43 and only 3.5 games back of a wild card slot (and seven games behind the Astros for the AL West lead). Those low odds could speak more to the strength of the Astros and Athletics than a reflection of the Mariners’ talent, and if Seattle is still in the hunt by July 30, it wouldn’t be surprising to see aggressive GM Jerry Dipoto make an addition or two in an attempt to keep the Mariners’ postseason drought from reaching 20 seasons. Schoop would be a nice upgrade for an M’s team that hasn’t gotten much from the second base position all year.
The Angels are behind the Mariners in the standings but are given a higher shot (14.5%) at the playoffs. That might reflect the quality of the lineup reinforcements coming the Angels’ way, as Mike Trout, Anthony Rendon, and Justin Upton should all be back from the injured list prior to the deadline. Jared Walsh and David Fletcher have first and second base covered for Los Angeles, though Walsh could potentially be moved back into right field duty in the event of a Schoop trade. In all likelihood, however, the Angels are probably more likely to seek out pitching at the deadline rather than another right-handed hitter.
The Tigers and Indians aren’t frequent trade partners, and it remains to be seen whether Cleveland will be more apt to buy or sell at the deadline given all of its pitching injuries. The Tribe have acted as both buyers and sellers at the deadline in recent years, however, and despite their struggles, they play in a weak division, have a 45-42 record, and sit 4.5 games out of a wild card berth. Fangraphs only gives the Tribe a seven percent chance at the postseason, however, and the club has a very tough upcoming schedule, starting the second half with 10 games against the A’s, Astros, and Rays. Beyond these factors, the Indians might also prefer to just stand pat with their current options at first and second base — powerful rookie Bobby Bradley has shown a lot of pop, while Cesar Hernandez has mostly gotten on track after a brutal April.
Not Great Fits
The Blue Jays, Yankees, and Astros are also teams with an abundance of right-handed hitting bats, filled first base/second base positions, and a greater need for pitching. On paper, Toronto could get really creative and try Schoop (or even Semien) at third base, but that seems pretty far-fetched. Now that Luke Voit is back from the IL, the Yankees are hopeful their first base issues have been solved, and DJ LeMahieu can now take over at second base.
The Reds likewise have Joey Votto and Jonathan India at first and second base, but given the team’s penchant for shaking up its infield alignment, Cincinnati can’t be entirely ruled out. A scenario exists where Schoop is acquired, India is moved to third base and Eugenio Suarez is again moved to shortstop. In all probability, this one is also a longshot, unless Mike Moustakas’ injury absence stretches even longer and the Reds feel the need for more infield help.
The Brewers love multi-positional players, and Schoop could provide help at second base (in the event of another Kolten Wong injury) or at first base, as Daniel Vogelbach and Travis Shaw are both injured and Keston Hiura has largely had a brutal season apart from the last couple of weeks. However, the Brewers already acquired Schoop back in 2018, as part of a deadline day trade with the Orioles. Schoop struggled so badly over 46 games with the Brew Crew that the team non-tendered him after the season, so a reunion between the two sides seems unlikely.
Though Evan Longoria, Brandon Belt, and Tommy La Stella are on the injured list, the Giants already have a decent amount of infield depth even with this trio out of action. Longoria and La Stella should both be back relatively soon while Belt is expected back at some point, even if his timeline is still uncertain. Unless there’s a rehab setback somewhere, Schoop doesn’t look like a priority for San Francisco.
Slightly Better Fits
The Mets are known to be exploring more third base options, but the team could address the issue from within by acquiring Schoop to play second base and then moving Jeff McNeil into the third base mix.
The Rays and Dodgers each have an abundance of infielders, but neither team is shy about acquiring multi-positional depth, and might also prefer Schoop over less-experienced roster options. Schoop could serve as a right-handed hitting complement to lefty swingers Ji-Man Choi and Brandon Lowe at first base and second base in Tampa, while L.A. could see Schoop’s addition as a way of freeing Chris Taylor to be deployed all over the diamond.
Sticking with the NL West, Schoop might be a better match with the Padres, who have left-handed hitters at first and second base in Eric Hosmer and Jake Cronenworth. Schoop would very likely see more time at first base in this scenario, as Hosmer has struggled after a strong 2020 season.
The Phillies might have an infield opening with Alec Bohm sidelined by a positive COVID-19 diagnosis, and Bohm has also struggled in his first full MLB season. Jean Segura could be moved back to third base and Schoop installed at second, if Bohm needs a while to recover or if the Phils simply want to reduce his playing time for a more reliable veteran in Schoop. The long history between Tigers GM Al Avila and Phillies president of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski could also help facilitate trade talks.
The Best Fits On Contending Teams?
No team has gotten less (by bWAR) from the first base position than the Red Sox, and Boston’s options have been further thinned since Marwin Gonzalez may begin the second half on the injured list. Boston would probably prefer a left-handed addition to the lineup, but trading for Schoop is a simple way for the Sox to immediately upgrade what is pretty much the only real weak point in their lineup, and Schoop also provides some additional depth for Christian Arroyo at second base.
Matt Olson obviously has first base more than accounted for in the Oakland lineup, but the Athletics could use Schoop as part of their second base or designated hitter mix. The A’s have gotten some nice results from the Jed Lowrie/Tony Kemp second base platoon, though Lowrie is always something of an injury risk and Kemp also gets a lot of playing time in the outfield. Chad Pinder will be gone until well into August due to a hamstring injury, and Mitch Moreland simply hasn’t hit much this season as Oakland’s primary DH. Schoop’s remaining salary is also manageable enough to fit into the Athletics’ limited budget.
The White Sox have had a vacancy at second base since Nick Madrigal was lost to a season-ending hamstring injury, and Schoop could also spell Jose Abreu at first base and see some time at DH. While super-utilityman Leury Garcia has been a bright spot filling in at second, Schoop is a more proven option for a team that has serious postseason aspirations. Chicago has already been linked to the likes of Trevor Story, Adam Frazier, and Eduardo Escobar in trade rumors, so the Sox clearly view the infield as a priority. One obstacle — the Tigers and White Sox almost never make trades, with just a single swap between the two clubs since 1989.
2012orioles
Love me some Johnny Schoop. He could dictate who I root for this October. Really thought he was going to be a star after his 16/17 seasons. Glad to see him producing and hopefully make a run at a ring. Just please don’t go to the Sox!
fisk72
Do you mean the Sox or the Sawks?
2012orioles
Sawks! Good call
GASoxFan
You should be hoping the Sox get him. To get you have to give, which only weakens the future farm system. This year is a wash for the Os so he won’t be hurting your chances no matter what he does(nt) do on the field after
I Beg To Differ
Cj Cron should be the Padres 1st choice to platoon with Hosmer.
He’s mashing lefties this year.
.310/.380/.563
Schoop would be a good second option
Ideally the Padres get
1 or 2 rental starters
1 RH 1B to go with Hosmer
A LH 4th OF better than Profar and Mateo to rotate through so guys get more days off in 2nd half of the season.
1 or 2 more relief pitchers for depth
Upgrade the back up catcher situation. If you have to carry 3 catcher Nola is super ultitlity
Sideline Redwine
So, trade for six or seven guys?
I Beg To Differ
Mateo, O Grady, Rivas, Norwood, Camarena, Nick Ramirez, Ivan Castillo. Pretty easy to clear 40 man spots
4th LF OF replaces Mateo
1 or 2 rental starters replace Norwood and Camarena
1B RH replaces O Grady
Back up catcher replaces Rivas
1 or 2 relief replaces Nick Ramirez and Ivan Castillo
Cosmo2
Where do you get the assets to trade in order to overturn 25% of your roster?
CNichols
They really don’t need all that much in the way of position player upgrades since Nola should be back soon. They pretty much just need someone who can take Mateo’s roster spot who is either an OF upgrade for RF (i.e. Gallo), which would then make Myers a bench bat, or alternatively they just get a bench bat.
Schoop could be that bench bat and then if they were smart they would platoon him with Hosmer. If they were really smart they would just start him over Hosmer since he is not performing, but they wouldn’t do that because of his contract and status as a “leader”.
Dustyslambchops23
I got a plan to get Griffey and Bonds, and we wouldn’t need to give up that much!
Thesecondjamie
The vibe around Detroit is that players won’t be sold. It seems we’re gonna stand pat. I think it’s the time of the rebuild where we have to just stop selling. The impact that the prospects in a Schoop or Cisnero trade is minimal and it seems Hinch is working hard to create a winning culture rather than keep bolstering the farm system.
Samuel
@ Thesecondjamie;
Congrats on understanding on how teams are built.
After years of reading Tiger fans on here complaining, the team is finally playing decent baseball. The challenge management of all young professional teams face is to get their youngsters to play consistently. AJ Hinch was brought in to teach those developed and promoted to the majors to adjust to ML level competition and do the fundamental things necessary to play winning baseball. Typically teams value veteran players that set an example for the youngsters on how to prepare and adjust to a level of play that is unlike anything they’ve experienced before.
Miggy and Schoop seem to be the 2 veterans on the team that the youngsters see as a role model. (Mazara and Grossman have issues.)
This site basically views sports from a rotisserie league standpoint – who should I keep on my team and play this week as the objective is total up the individual players statistics. Building teams of human beings executing on the field and court to help their team win is a different matter.
The Tigers aren’t going to get anything of value that they don’t already have for 2-1/2 months of Shoop. It seems to me they’ll keep him and quite possibly make a run at signing him for 2022. He’s a team leader that can play 1B, 2B, DH and possibly fill in at 3B and the OF as well. He is to the Tigers what Markakis was to the Braves for years.
Samuel
And may I add……..
This is exactly the mistake that Cashman made with the Yankees a few years ago when he let Ronald Torreyes go. Cashman did not understand how important Torreyes was to youngsters such as Torres, Andújar and others, along with the rest of the team. Those guys haven’t played at the same level since, and the team hasn’t played at that level. Sorry, Tyler Wade and Rougned Odor aren’t contributing to a winning culture.
Girardi understood the value of Torreyes, politicked to bring him onto the Phillies, and has used him perfectly. Torreyes has been a big reason for a number of team victories, including the game winning HR Sunday. He’s helped to settle the infield and brought a professional approach which his teammates respect.
A player doesn’t have to have eye-popping stats to influence a team for the good. His teammates know, and the bright Managers and FO’s know.
JohhnyBets67
Perhaps the Yankees aren’t good because they have no pitching outside of Cole.
2019 Gleyber Torres had his best season……2020 it was Clint Frazier. Toe was out of town after 2018. Gary Sanchez’ worst season happened to be 2018. The only player that hasn’t been good since is Andujar. Who happened to be a terrible fielder at 3B in 2018.
And the Phillies, whom, you claimed were the most underrated team and would easily beat the overrated Mets this season bc of their “fundamentals” led by the great Girardi. Well they’re sitting behind the Mets and are playing .500 baseball. Meanwhile the Mets have lost 3/5 of their rotation. Haven’t gotten a pitch from Thor or Cookie. Have missed guys like Davis, Nimmo, and McNeil for serious time. But you’ve decided to attribute these things to guys like Toe.
Alrighty!
The Saber-toothed Superfife
Wow. You got a lot of thumbs up. Lol. I don’t buy into that and object to adult men being referred to as “youngsters”.
Tiger fans have suffered a long time for just half measures. I like all these players and believe they are better than advertised however…for a team that will dominate? the dynasty Mike made us believe in?
No. Al has to work, plan and scheme a whole lot harder than he has. And faster. He has already missed many, many opportunities. Several GMs are under pressure to win now, even if it’s just to prove it to themselves.
True. Hinch surprises me. He is Als’ best trade piece….
I disagree with you……go ahead…mute me…..
Everyone else does. I have expectations of excellence and am not afraid to say so.
JoeBrady
FWIW, I think some of Avila’s work has improved. The Upton, Zimmerman, and Miggy signings/extension were awful, and really impacted the team negatively. But, and this is pure speculation, but there might have been pressure on him to try to win one before the owner passed away.
That said, he’s drafted some good top-end talent. I’m not sure of the depth of the farm, but the top end looks good. I’m not sold on Manning’s control, but if he and Jobe pan out, they could have an elite rotation for several years.
To me, this looks like a decent rebuild job so far, outside of not cashing in on Boyd and Fulmer, and even they might come in handy.
JohhnyBets67
Eh. I don’t trust Al Avila.
He’s got some top end talent but he’s also had 1-1 twice. Mize and Torkelson were of the not very risky variety. He ended up w/ 0 back for Verlander.I guess maybe a backup C in Jake Rogers or a 4th OF’er like Daz Cameron? Manning and Greene look like 2 hits. But, again they were top 10 picks. But not every top 10 pick is a hit so there has to be some credit thrown there.
He held onto Boyd and Fulmer too long. Those 2 would’ve brought back solid hauls had they been moved at peak value. Hinch was a good hire. The team is playing competitive baseball. But they’re in the worst division in baseball. I don’t think Avila is the worst GM out there but I wouldn’t put him anywhere near the top.
JoeBrady
He ended up w/ 0 back for Verlander.
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I hear this a lot, but unless I am completely mis-remembering, Verlander wasn’t as popular a target as some remember him being, He was 34 years old, with a 3.82 ERA and 4.07 FIP, with a $28M salary. That’s still a good pitcher, but at a very expensive price.
If there was a guy like that out there right now, I don’t think I’d want the RS busting the budget over him. And it is difficult to predict he’d go from a 9.2/3.5 K/W in his last year at Detroit, to the 12.1/1.6 pitcher he’s been with Houston.
For Love of the Game
There are enough Monday-morning quarterbacks here to fill out a complete football league, first, second, and third string!
JohhnyBets67
I’m not killing him for that Verlander trade. Franklin Perez looked like one of the safest bets to be a #3 starter as it gets. Really unfortunate outcome there.
But Verlander was absolutely rolling before he was dealt also. Dropped his ERA over a point in about 5 weeks. We know he had the pedigree of an ace long before that trade. And Detroit ate serious cash on the deal.
The year before JV pitched to a 3.09 ERA and K’d 254 in 206 innings. So this wasn’t that crazy. Houston obviously knew what they were doing w the power arms. (sticky stuff and analytics?????)
Hard to walk with four balls
Before anyone can bag on Al Avila for the return he got in that trade we need to trash the GMs from The Yankees and Dodgers for not giving up one of their prospect outfielders for Verlander and watching as he goes to the Astros. Those morons could have had a championship.
JoeBrady
That’s part of my point. No one really wanted him all that much. It’s not like LAD and the NYY offered up huge packages, and Avila decided to accept a smaller package. My recollection is there were no offers to take him at his salary.
tigersgm
Avila has been shaky at best, some bad no trade decisions, free agent signings,, it’s hard to miss to bad in drafting when you get so close to the number 1 pick so
Often,,
I’d Epstein still available..?
Colt 45
“and do the fundamental things necessary to play winning baseball.”
slow clap
“This site basically views sports from a rotisserie league standpoint – who should I keep on my team and play this week as the objective is total up the individual players statistics.”
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“Building teams of human beings executing on the field and court to help their team win is a different matter.”
THUNDEROUS STANDING OVATION!!!!!!!!!!!!
Greatest post I have EVER seen on here
TroyVan
I don’t really see them trading Schoop unless it is a really good deal. I doubt that the other teams would be willing to give up prized prospects. I think the best they will get are lottery tickets with a AAAA ceiling.
However, an ideal situation I see is trading Schoop and one of our better prospects for a highly regarded shortstop prospect. It would take a playoff caliber team with a bit of a logjam at short that is desperate for a Schoop. Unfortunately, I have no idea if such a team exists.
dugdog83
I read all the sports articles, listen to sports radio, and follow the Tigers just as much as the next guy and haven’t heard or read one thing on saying they aren’t going to be sellers at the deadline. Especially, with Schoop who won’t be on our team next year.
I don’t know where you got this info.
stymeedone
I haven’t heard one thing saying they are looking to trade…anyone. I have heard that they will need the return to be “impactful” and that came from Hinch.
SportsFan0000
Tigers are not just giving away players at the trade deadline. If some team wants to make a deal that nets the Tigers some “building block foundational pieces”, then the Tigers might go for that. But, the Tigers have a relatively low payroll and do not need to move anyone just for the sake of making a trade.
If CJ Abrams or Austin Martin or similar caliber players are on the table
in deals, then the Tigers would take a look at deals like that.
But, Tigers won’t be off loading players to contenders to get “lottery ticket” players back…
User 4245925809
Just knew the article was going to have him pegged to boston as a possibility, but i don’t see it. Arroyo hasn’t done that bad, glove or bat and if things did falter any? Let’s not forget Kike Hernandez slides to 2nd and Duran finally gets the call to make his debut in CF, which probably should have happened already as well as he is playing at AAA. Giving up a prospect for a potential FA when they have a replacement sitting at AAA is not a wise use of resources, something don’t think Bloom would do myself.
LetGoOfMyLeg
It looks like the fix for Boston is Franchy Cordero at 1st base. He is playing there now for the woosox, bats left, and is hitting extremely well.
Deleted User
Ehhh is .512 babip sustainable? Asking for a friend.
tstats
Yes.
miltpappas
Hitting in the minors isn’t Cordero’s issue. He gets to the bigs and he stinks up the joint.
JoeBrady
Franchy is doing terribly. In the 66 ABs, he has 1 HR and a 29/5 K/W, as a 26 year old in AAA. Over 600 ABs, that translates to 9 HRs and 264 strikeouts. I grew up with guys that can do better than that.
vtadave
So we’re saying a AAA 30.2% K% may not translate to the big leagues?
SoxRewl
Casas would be a better fix. No reason to think his development would be hindered by an august callup, if he’s overwhelmed then have him play only part time in September when rosters expand.
Although I’ve always been a Franchy fan since his SD days. Got that power/speed combo that you can just fall in love with.
soxfan1
If they want to take Chavis than why not? Wouldn’t give up any more
Rsox
Sox don’t need Schoop. Schoop isn’t a First Baseman and looks like he’s not a First Baseman on many plays. He’s not doing terrible for learning the position on the fly but i don’t think the results would be what they hope for. Probably similar to when he was traded to Milwaukee down the stretch in 2018 and the Brewers tried to make him a SS and he looked all out of sorts. Plus the Sox need a left handed option not another righty. Mitch Moreland would be a good option if the A’s pick up Nelson Cruz, Moreland would become expendable.
LordD99
“In all likelihood, however, the Angels are probably more likely to seek out pitching at the deadline rather than another right-handed hitter…”
Remember, these are the Angels we’re talking about here.
Bob333
No Schoop to the Phils he stinks.Get some pitching please
tigersfan1320
Ah yes because hitting .340 with 10 home runs and a 1.100 ops in the month of June really stinks, lol
Cosmo2
Schoop certainly doesn’t stink but using one month of data proves very little.
Bob333
Can you say 1 month !!!!!!!! Career wise he stinks
stymeedone
Last 2 seasons in Detroit he’s been solid, both offensively and defensively. This is what he is, now! Still don’t see the Tigers moving him.
sirandrews
Brewers for burned on him pretty good on his rebound year in Baltimore.
On a whole seems super inconsistent but looks like he’s pretty consistent in Detroit. I could see him really struggling if he got traded.
EasternLeagueVeteran
If Schoop is happy and comfortable in Detroit and with his teammates and manager, then what is the downside to trying to extend him and keep him? Any word on Schoop’s thoughts in the Detroit press/media?
Hard to walk with four balls
Schoop won’t be going to the Phils because if he gets traded it likely will be to a team that is going to make the playoffs.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
I’ve been hoping the White Sox get Schoop instead of Escobar. I realize Escobar is a better overall player, but Schoop should be a little cheaper in prospect terms. As for the intradivision trade, Sox shouldn’t be losing anyone they’d badly miss and the Tigers have zero reason to keep him and, since he’s a rental, it’s not like Schoop can come back to haunt them.
SportsFan0000
The Tigers have zero reasons to trade Schoop to their rivals the White Sox. Tigers and White Sox are in the same Division. They had not made a trade together in something like 30+ years?!
I doubt they make any trades anytime soon unless the WS want to make a big “overpay” on a player or players..
kripes-brewers
Schoop absolutely sucked as a Brewer down the stretch that year. I was really shocked he couldn’t seem to find a 2nd wind after moving to a contender for a playoff run. Seemed like he didn’t even want to be there. Not impressed, would advise teams to stay away from a short-term trade for this guy. Maybe he has issues being away from family or home or something, but that run was truly brutal.
kmole
Schoop will always be remembered as a legend for all the wrong reasons by Brewers fans. He was a serious boat anchor on that ship. He made the team worse undoubtedly.
SonnySteele
Good point, kripes-brewers. I agree that Le Tigres should hang on to him and try to re-sign hm.
Thomas James
Agree. I just think there are guys that handle pressure differently. Some excel while others fold. Buyer beware.
mlbdodgerfan2015
Schoop has been a bit of a feast or famine kind of guy. Dodgers offense in general has been feast or famine this year, so not sure if they want to add that kind of player. I’d think priorities for the Dodgers right now is a SP and a bullpen arm. They are a bit left handed dominant offensively, especially when Seager gets back. So, I can see them acquiring a right-handed bat. Would be nice if that player can flex between IF and OF, but Taylor can do that right now. Interesting to see how long Pujols lasts as a 1B/PH against left handed pitching. So far he has mashed but Dodgers may need an upgrade at some point for a post-season run if he regresses. He’s a disaster on the field, clogs the base-paths and a sure double play if he puts the ball on the ground. If a bat is acquired and Seager comes back, between Beaty and Pujols I’d think there would be an odd man out. Though the Dodgers will try to milk the IL option as much as possible given the amount of injuries this year.
Rsox
Remember when the Dodgers traded for Brian Dozier and he did absolutely nothing? Probably what would happen here. Dodgers like players they can mix and match and sit for days at a time and Schoop Probably isn’t one of those guys. Dozier certainly wasn’t.
For Love of the Game
I’d like to see the Tigers stop giving away players for next to nothing. If Schoop brings back a decent prospect, move him. But if it won’t clearly improve the team’s future potential, continue to develop the culture of winning by showing the players you are fielding a team to win more games.
Kike Can of Corn
The Red Sox have to make a move, as Marwin, he of the garbage pail kids, and Bobby Dalbec full time aren’t the answer. Franchy strikes me a quad A player. The preference would be a lefty stick but if the cost isn’t prohibitive I say pick up Schoop
Rsox
As long as Cora has a say Marwin won’t be cut so we should all be glad he’s only signed for this season and hopefully goes elsewhere next season.
Dalbec is learning at the MLB level which surely isn’t helping him. If any of Gonzalez/Santana/Chavis could hit at all i imagine they would have sent him down to AAA to get his feet back under him
Michael Macaulay-Birks
Hopefully Dalbec pans out, Has all the power in the world, but the strikeouts have to come down, I hope he doesn’t end up as Wily Mo Pena part 2
24TheKid
Would be a much better move for Seattle than Cruz.
tigerdoc616
If you believe what Avila and Hinch have been saying, the Tigers are not moving players unless it helps make them competitive, either now or the near future. If true, the Tigers are not going to take 40 FV lottery tickets for Schoop or anyone else. I have a hard time believing that as good as Schoop has been, he would net the Tigers a legitimate prospect. That, and given how few teams Schoop would actually fit (with one being a division rival) the chances Schoop are moved seem pretty remote.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
So, they just part with him at year’s end and get nothing. That makes them worse, not better. Even if they re-sign him, that’s no better because they could just re-sign him at season’s end regardless of whether they trade him. Keeping him is senseless. Keeping a guy they have control over does make some sense, depending on when they believe their window opens. As for being competitive now, that’s a bit of a silly thing to say. Finishing 3rd in the division would be a huge win, but not really feasible that they challenge for a playoff spot this year.
stymeedone
If they part with him at years end, they will have gained half a season of the young players being in a competitive environment, rather than constant losing. That’s worth more than what teams are likely to offer for him. Having Mize, Skubal and Manning having to pitch like they can’t afford to give up a run for the remainder of the year would likely lead to injury. The current offense is mediocre, which make Schoop’s contribution a big part of it. If they are only getting minor league filler back, no need to trade him.
hyraxwithaflamethrower
If Schoop were good enough by himself to take a team from just losing to being competitive, he’d be much more valuable. And if you’re talking about an attitude or leadership, that responsibility primarily rests with the coaches.
SportsFan0000
Some GMs in varous cities who are under pressure from ownership, fans and media to make the playoffs and make a deep run, may overpay for Schoop and others to make that happen…and that is the only way Schoop moves is if Avila gets an offer he can’t refuse…
MilwaukeeStrong
Schoop went down as one of the worst moves Stearns has made-hard pass on him.
Rumor throughout Milwaukee was his attitude toward the team about his playing time and was not a good clubhouse presence. Not sure how true that is but still a hard pass.
Cron on the other hand would be a terrific addition to Milwaukees order.
Rsox
Brewers had a 3B playing 2B after acquiring Moustakas from the Royals and moving Shaw to 2B and acquired Schoop with the intention of him playing SS. Moose worked out, Schoop definitely didn’t.
pensacola sox fan
I hope the White Sox stand pat at 2nd base another pitcher would be good
LordD99
Can Burger play 2B?
hyraxwithaflamethrower
Yes, but not that well. Still learning the position.
Norm Chouinard
FWIW, Schoops’ defense has fallen off a cliff from what I have seen recently.. He is a bit of a liablility at 1B. 2B should be out of the question..
stymeedone
Get some thicker lenses. I watch them daily and see no sign of regression. He is still having problems with the angle on foul pop ups when he plays 1B, but has improved at everything else.
billbraskey
And that’s exactly it – not sure I fully buy this “we’re not moving players unless it helps make us competitive” message is true. The problem with AA is that he has always put a “For Sale” sign up in front of past trade pieces like JV, JD, and the like. Unfortunately, all he got back was Jake Rogers and a bag of golf balls.
While I would actually prefer they try and resign Schoop, I think AA has changed his approach in an effort to give himself more leverage, as opposed to having no leverage at all, as has been the case in years past due to the “Players For Sale” signs he posted in front of Comerica Park.
stymeedone
That’s a narrow viewpoint. Rogers looks like a keeper, and as soon as they dump Mazzara, Cameron will get another opportunity. They still have an injured Perez in their system and got salary relief on Verlander. I hate wht they got for JDM, but he got more back than any other OF moved that deadline. That wasn’t on Avila. It was on the compensation being a pick after the 4th round if Detroit made the QO, and lack of demand. Many OFs on expiring contracts did not get moved.
LABeachguy
That is how the Tigers spun the JD trade. He was traded a whole week before the deadline. What if a contending team got an injury in their outfield. Plus JD at the time was one of the hottest players in the game. Awful trade, at least get one solid prospect and not three awful prospects. I remember at the time of the trade how shocked scouts and front office people were at the trade and timing of it. The QO offer draft pick would have been much better.
Colt 45
about the only personnel move I was like what the **** about during the Luhnow years was releasing JD rather than getting SOMETHING for him – just boggled my mind at the time, and I wasn’t even back into my Astros geek mode at the time – but I KNEW this guy was a solid major leaguer
stymeedone
Don’t know that a pick after the 4th round is any less of a gamble than the 3 players they got back. A contending team did not have an OF get injured. The reports at the time that I read said the return was light, but that no contender, other than AZ, was looking to acquire an OF, so demand was light. Waiting may have resulted in AZ filling there need and not being able to move him. Granderson got moved for cash. His team couldn’t even move him for his remaining salary. The Tigers might not have been willing to pay the QO, so the possible option for Avila might have been to get nothing.
SportsFan0000
The Verlander trade return for the Tigers will look better and better for the Tigers as catcher Jake Rogers and OF Daz Cameron establish themselves as bona fide producing major leaguers. Cameron could still earn his way into the starting rotation in the OF. Rogers looks like a major league starting catcher if he keeps hitting….Even RHP Franklin Perez could produce dividends for the team when he gets healthy..
nottinghamforest13
He has an attitude problem and plays very streaky. It’s not mere happenstance that he wears out his welcome quickly no matter where he plays.
Stormintazz
His attitudes was horrible after he was traded to the Brewers. He could not wait until the season was over.
charlesk
Exactly the kind of player Jays GM Ross Atkins will trade for in RHH 1B/2B Jonathan Schoop – who can definitely mash but would be blocked in the field by Vlad Guerrero Jr., Marcus Semien and Cavan Biggio – and rave about his “hit tool” and cheap cost. He’d wont get a better 3B like Eduardo Escobar, who can rake as a LHH against righties, saying, “he’s just a rental” even though that’s exactly what Schoops is. As for the starters like Jose Berrios, German Marquez and Luis Castillo, and high leverage relievers available like Rich Rod, Craig Kimbrel and Ian Kennedy, he’ll talk about how they “checked in, but the ask was prohibitive.” And the Jays will, tumble to an 81-81, 4th place record with ‘high hopes for 2022” after Semien, Ray and Matz all leave for long-term deals with one of the Dodgers, Mets, Red Sox, ChiSox and/or Yankees.
Salvi
Since the Cubs are in ”sell” mode. Red Sox should kick the tires on Anthony Rizzo.
Bats Left
Good Defense
Short Contract (expires at the end of the year)
OPS+ 112
Bring the one that got away home.
GASoxFan
If you condition the trade on some sort of extension, then why not. I’d thought about that earlier, but, realistically it’s a non starter.
Rsox
Rizzo will cost Hosmer money at the very least and i don’t see Bloom paying anyone close to that. Especially with Casas likely only a year (two at most) away
JoeBrady
The RS are not signing any 32 year old players to extensions. And with Dalbec hitting ‘okay’ since the start of June, and with Casas in the minors, 1B is not the place we are splurging on.
jhomeslice
JS would look great in a White Sox uniform, if the cost was not enormous. Their greatest need is probably reliever though, maybe two of them.
SportsFan0000
White Sox and Tigers, Division Rivals, have not made a trade in something like 30+ years….I don’t see that changing anytime soon..
SonnySteele
Jonathan Schoop is apparently not on Twitter, which raises his value in my opinion.
Curly Was The Smart Stooge
The Braves are 4 games out of first & they are considered “on the fringe”? Who comes up with this nonsense? NL East is up for grabs. Giving up now & selling shows no respect for your city or team. Braves have some offense returning & AA said they would spend money. Let’s give it a shot.
JoeBrady
Okay, I hate to complain about free articles, but this article is easily, easily twice as long as it needs to be, 6 lines on Atlanta, who have almost no need for Schoop. 8 more lines on LAA. 6 more on the NYY, TO, and Houston, and they are almost impossible. You could probably have lumped together 10-15 teams and say there is a really small chance they would be involved.
And, to be honest, a player like Schoop is probably not worth 1,300 words.
Juan Uribe Profundo
That guy the White Sox acquired from the Tigers in 1989 was Kenny Williams who is still with the organization!
Idioms for Idiots
@Juan Uribe
I don’t mean to split hairs, but the Sox traded Kenny Williams to Detroit in ’89. He was drafted by the Sox in ’82 and came up to Chicago in ’86. He mostly stunk in his MLB career, though somehow he was able to produce a 2.1 bWar season in ’87.
SportsFan0000
32 years ago?!
What are the odds the Tigers and WS made another trade anytime soon?
Slim and None!!
Mario93
Why it’s KEY for rebuilding teams to take 1 year flyers on guys. Schoop was a great sign for them, even if barely gets you back anything, he gets you back something. All that matters.
pjsportsdude85
schoop to chw for ben sheets? white Sox would eventually put vaughn back at 1st. could give Detroit a potential future 1b option.
jhomeslice
I’d be all for that as Sox fan. Sheets has done OK since his callup, mostly against righties, but has some potential. I kind of doubt that he alone would be enough for Schoop. Ben was pitcher for Brewers by the way (excellent at one time), Gavin is Sox guy.
stymeedone
Detroit has this guy named Torkelson….
pjsportsdude85
who’s playing 3B currently…
good catch on the sheets name correction my bad
FirstCoastFan
Tork has played 29 games at 3B and 24 at 1B.
everlastingdave
As a Sox fan, I do not agree to trade Ben Floyd for Schoop.
stancpa44
Down in Toledo, they have a first baseman that could replace Schoop. He is doing better than Nunez., Aderlin Rodríguez already has 14 home runs in 189 at bat and is batting a respectable.296
stymeedone
Aderlin Rodriguez is about to turn 30 and is playing at AAA Toledo. Might be a reason.
tiger9
Schoop should be signed to a new deal and made the second baseman for the next two or three years. Castro….whoever have been a mess. Too many times the double play doesn’t get turned and big innings follow.
Stop with the first base charade and leave him where he is comfortable.
quantomoffandom
I agree, when you look at the Tigers minor league, they have a lot of utility middle infielders, but no one projected to be a solid major leaguer. Sign Schoop Al!
GarryHarris
I’d like to say that I want Jonathan Schoop to stay in DET but what I really mean is “Who cares?”
The Saber-toothed Superfife
I think Tiger fans are jaded enough we could handle a couple years of aggressive rebuild but not this agony.
I actually do like you Al, but aggressive is A-G-G-R-E-S-S-I-V-E.
Aggressive. Say it out loud. Again. Like you mean it.
Does it make you feel like a Tiger?
Growl when you say it.
jsay2948
He would fit well with the Red Sox. Plays 1st and 2nd so if Dalbec or Arroyo are hot he can play at the other position.
whyhayzee
Halitosis – the yankees could use Schoop to get rid of the Odor.
JoeBrady
They could, but that would leave Gardner as their sole lefty. The NYY would face a parade of righty RPs for the rest of the season.
stymeedone
Yes, better to have a .200 hitter in the lineup because he is lefty. Detroit would gladly trade you Mazzara so you can have the matching pair. Odor is not getting any team to adjust their rotation so a lefty faces the Yankees, if that’s what you currently believe.
JoeBrady
It is not going to their rotation whatsoever. But most teams like to have at least one lefty available to face a righty BP.
bamck
I don’t think the Red Sox will be interested. They will be bringing up Durran in the near future, which means that Kike could end up seeing more time at 2b alongside Arroyo.
JoeBrady
No real need for Duran, at this point. Arroyo has held his own at 2nd, and Kike has been awesome in CF.
bamck
He will definitely get a call at some point. You can expect marwin and Santana to be DFA’d if they continue to struggle.
JoeBrady
I don’t think he will, at least not until the rosters expand in September, You would some regression from Arroyo, which is possible, or a lot of regression from Kike. Kike has a 2.7 bWAR in 316 PAs. You can’t call up Duran expecting him to exceed that. Arroyo is not as good, but it is similar. Arroyo has a 1.2 bWAR in 163 PAs.
They won’t promote Duran to sit on the bench, and you’d need a substantial slump for from Kike or Arroyo in order for the RS to bench one or the other.
Colt 45
“The Mets are known to be exploring more third base options”
the old old story
Rsox
Dave Magadan and Chris Donnels are on their radar…
Idioms for Idiots
I’m not that keen on Schoop. It looks like he just had a hot June (well, closer to 1 1/2 to 2 months worth than just June alone). And it looks like his D is in decline, though I freely admit I don’t watch many Tigers games.
Overall I’m sure he’s an upgrade to Leury/Mendick, but I’d lean toward passing on him, or at the very least, not give up a lot for him. I’d rather let someone else overpay for him, but that’s just me.
Kungfooshus
It would be nice to see Schoop and Nelson Cruz both getting traded to the Padres. Schoop is best friends with Machado, and while in Baltimore there was a dynamic where they both seemed to push each other to greatness.
I don’t think Schoop handled his separation from Manny very well after Manny got traded to LA, followed by himself being sent to Milwaukee. Even though he had an awesome week at the plate just before getting traded, the wind got taken out of his sails. At least that’s how it seemed to me.
I don’t know if SD needs a 2B or utility guy, but Schoop has a very strong arm and good glove.
On that Orioles team, while Nelson Cruz was there he was the leader, and Manny and Schoop both improved greatly. It could’ve been coincidence but FWIW it seemed to me to just be really good chemistry.
SportsFan0000
Package Schoop, All Star reliever Gregory Soto and switch hitting outfielder Robbie Grossman together in a deal to a pennant contender in need of reinforcements
and the Tigers could net at least 1 top young prospect like a SS CJ Abrams or INF/OF Austin Martin etc……That is a deal that the Tigers might make if it nets them at least one foundational piece for their rebuild plus prospects..
JoeBrady
You won’t be getting a foundational piece for those guys. You are really unlikely to move all three guys together, and unlikely to even move two guys together. And unlikely to get much better than maybe a #150 prospect in return for any of them. Soto is probably the most interesting, but he consistently has walk rates of 5+/9.IPs.
SportsFan0000
For a team like the Padres that absolutely must make and go deep into the playoffs because of “raised expectations” from ownership(vastly increased payroll and commitment to “win now”), the media, the fans etc,
(like the SD Padres), then yes patching multiple holes with one deal would not surprise me.. The Tigers have multiple interesting bullpen pieces, spare OFs with them looking to get longer looks at Daz Cameron and Derek Hill, spare infield parts, even spare rotation pieces when Turnbull and Boyd get back. from the IL. Tigers don’t need to make any deals. But, if a team wants to be aggressive and pay market value or over pay to get where they are going, then any GM would certainly have to seriously consider those offers. Pennant and WS opportunities just don’t happen every year for most teams. You have to run with it when it is happening…
sergefunction
Gregory Soto is an All-Star reliever. That is an actual true sentence.
He is not an actual true All-Star in player value. Nor in trade value, although Tiger fans would welcome his departure pretty much regardless of the return inevitably being Al Avila’s favorite thing in life – an overweight, suspect low A shortstop/3rd baseman.
Don’t see Preller being fooled here. If Chris Fetter can’t fix Soto, neither can Larry Rothschild. And yes, Soto needs fixing. All-Star caliber? Hardly.
Rsox
I don’t see the Padres (or anyone for that matter) parting with top shelf prospects for the “best” the tigers have to offer
Hard to walk with four balls
It’s the other way around; the Tigers won’t part ways with players unless it comes with value. They didn’t give Boyd away either and people need to accept if the return offer isn’t good then rejecting it and keeping the player you have is the best option.
CNichols
It’s actually both ways, and thats why a deal won’t get done like a deal didn’t get done for Boyd. If the Tigers want top shelf prospects, they’re not going to get them, so they’re going to hold these guys.
JoeBrady
Value is a relative term. They obviously made a huge mistake not trading Boyd and Fulmer. Wouldn’t that make them more inclined to be flexible now?
The absolute worst trade strategy is to hold someone just to prove the rest of the league wrong.
SportsFan0000
Except, we don’t know exactly what teams offered for Fulmer or Boyd.
I heard and read that the offers were “lowball offers”.
If correct, then the Tigers were correct in holding onto those pitchers.
Hard to walk with four balls
” obviously made a huge mistake not trading Boyd and Fulmer”
Monday morning QB
JoeBrady
I’ve been saying this every year forever. You were a 64-win team in 2017. The team should’ve been torn apart.
SportsFan0000
Don’t be too sure about that. AJ Preller has made some deals and “over paid” on many occasions like his deal for Musgrove (five guys for Musgrove?!). The Mariners deal?
Don’t get me wrong.
Musgrove is an above average starting pitcher.
But, he is no Walker Bueler or Verlander or Gerrit Cole.
Quite a few of the Preller deals sent loads of talent out for pieces that
that did not seem to warrant all those players and prospects.,….
SportsFan0000
Except, we don’t know exactly what teams offered for Fulmer or Boyd.
I heard and read that the offers were “lowball offers”.
If correct, then the Tigers were correct in holding onto those pitchers.
JoeBrady
No one knows the offers, but both those guys were pretty good, so the assumption is that other teams would’ve thought of them as pretty good. As far as being correct, what do you have now for not trading them?
SportsFan0000
That Tigers team still has their services when they are healthy at a very reasonable, below market rates compared to what they would be paying similar pitchers. Pitching is 80% of baseball. Don’t look now, but the Tigers are wining Series left and right and may finish 3rd in their Division with most of their rebuild talent still in the minors and on the way in their pipeline.
And, Tigers still have the option of trading them now or over the winter or at the next trade deadline for value since their young gun starters are now taking over…
PiratesFan1981
Must be slow time in the office to repost two old threads.
wileycoyote56
Hope he can land on a playoff team, then re-sign this winter to help mold the Tiger Cubs into beasts. He fits in well in Detroit, but they need to try and move him for both their sake
The Saber-toothed Superfife
A match?
Al Avila.needs.a.damn.blowm torch to get something started…..
You should have called.