3:39pm: The trade is official.
3:18pm: Feinsand further tweets that Jonathan Villar and minor league shortstop Jean Carmona are headed to the Orioles in the deal.
3:09pm: The Brewers and Orioles agreed to a last-minute deal that will send infielder Jonathan Schoop from Baltimore to Milwaukee just prior to the non-waiver trade deadline, reports Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (on Twitter). Right-handed pitching prospect Luis Ortiz is among the players going back to Baltimore in the deal, reports Mark Feinsand of MLB.com (Twitter link).
It’s no surprise that the Brewers made a move to upgrade at second base, and it’s one that could benefit the team beyond this season. After all, Schopp – who’s on an $8.5MM salary this season – has another year of arbitration eligibility remaining.
After breaking out in 2017 with a .293/.338/.503 line, 32 home runs and a 3.8 fWAR in 675 plate appearances, Schoop has taken steps backward this season. The 26-year-old has slashed a below-average .244/.273/.447 with .7 fWAR over 375 PAs, though he has gone on a home run-happy tear of late to raise his numbers to more respectable levels. Schoop now has 17 homers after mashing seven long balls since July 20.
While Schoop’s overall production has been pedestrian this year, it still easily outdoes the .231/.288/.351 showing Brewers second basemen have compiled in 736 PAs. That obviously wasn’t going to cut it for Milwaukee, which is currently in wild-card position and trails the NL Central-leading Cubs by a game. Villar was part of the problem over the past year and a half for the Brewers, with whom he had a great season in 2016. Now 27, Villar has scuffled to a .248/.302/.374 line with 17 HRs in 715 PAs dating back to 2017, essentially making him a replacement player, though he has stolen 37 bases in that span (including 14 on 16 tries this year). He’ll provide the rebuilding Orioles an immediate successor to Schoop and could be a multiyear piece for the club, which will owe him the rest of a $2.55MM salary in 2018 and could control him via arbitration through 2020.
For now in Milwaukee, Schoop will add to an already crowded infield picture. The team just reeled in third baseman Mike Moustakas last week, forcing Travis Shaw to second. Unlike Moustakas and Shaw, Schoop is a right-handed hitter, though all three have struggled against southpaw pitchers both this season and throughout their careers.
In addition to Villar, Baltimore picked up a pair of prospects who ranked in the top 15 of Milwaukee’s above-average system at MLB.com. Ortiz (No. 7) is a 22-year-old who has worked to a 3.71 ERA/3.85 FIP with 8.6 K/9, 2.38 BB/9 and a 48 percent groundball rate in 68 Double-A innings this season (16 appearances, 11 starts). Jim Callis and Jonathan Mayo of MLB.com posit that Ortiz has the ceiling of a No. 3 starter.
As for Carmona (No. 14), the two prospect gurus write that he “has all the components needed to become an impactful player at the highest level.” Still just 18 years old, Carmona has hit .239/.298/.406 in 172 PAs at the Rookie level this season.
For Baltimore, the removal of Schoop from its roster is the latest significant move with the team in the early stages of a rebuild. The Orioles have also dealt shortstop Manny Machado, relievers Zach Britton, Brad Brach and Darren O’Day, and starter Kevin Gausman this month, thus revamping their roster in a last-place season.
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Wanted a pitcher, got another infielder.
Schoop will pitch
Haha
Cool stat that [might] show why Brewers could afford to trade for another infielder (mobile.twitter.com/Fuss58/status/10243885354686095…)
Not sure how that explains how they could afford to trade for an infielder. Schoop/Shaw at 2b should knock that total down a bit.
Shows they can sacrifice defense for offense.
I guess. But they have Villar, Shaw, and Arcia accounting for 22 DRS. If Shaw is 2b, Schoop plays some SS (hope not), and Moustakas is entrenched at 3rd; They are really sacrificing defense (not sure about Shaw at 2b).
That is a huge gamble to expect the offense will improved as drastically as the defense could potentially suffer.
It’s liiiiit
Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me.
Me either. Where’s everyone going to play.
Schoop will play Short Stop
I wouldn’t be a fan of Schoop at SS. His arm is great and he has just enough range for 2nd but that isn’t going to translate to SS well . Of course he can’t grade out much worse than MM was, Very exciting player to get into your lineup though. If he continues heating up, look out.
Schoop will more than likely transition to SS At such a premium position they can’t afford to trot Arcia out everyday with his less than stellar .200 BA especially when they’re battling the cubs for the division
Arcia has been hitting well since being called up.
Does to Red Sox fan that has seen Schoop at his best. Shaw is not a second baseman on a championship caliber team.
On no
Have to love the Brewers lineup. Lots of thunder now.
offense doesnt mean a thing if you have a bunch of guys playing a position where they arent comfortable. defense is going to suffer and they dont really have a strikeout starter to give the defense a day off so to speak.
Bingo. They need starting pitching, and they acquire a 2B where Shaw is being used (out of position already cause of Moustakas trade) and now what are they going to do with Schoop? Use him out of position as a SS? I’m confused by this move.
2 weeks ago they needed infield help more than anything else, they went out and got two infielders and now its a bad pickup? Moose really isnt all that good anyway, you could have him come off the bench if you really wanted to. Not as much of a jam as you are making it out to be as before they were desperate for anyone above the mendoza line
They now have 2 middle infielders playing out of position (Shaw and Schoop). Not to mention, why on earth would they trade for Moustakas just to now make him a bench player or an OF, which doesn’t make sense at all. The Brewers needed to add a starting pitcher, and they didn’t for the 2nd year in a row. It’s very puzzling.
Who said they cant just play Schoop at 2B and Shaw at 3B?
But on Moose, they traded for him probably in the case they couldnt land anyone better. Now he serves as insurance. You do realize people make trades for lesser players, right? People make trades for back end bullpen pieces, pinch runners, back up position players.
They needed infield help and they got it, they no longer have to field Saladino or Hernan if they dont want to. Didnt they just cut the low tier infielder they got from the Rays after they were desperate to fill a position? It was that dire. Also, every team pretty much needs SP, not every team gets it. Its really not all that puzzling.
I have to agree, very puzzling. No top of rotation arm, and more infielders than we know what to do with. How does this move really help in the wake of the Moustakas trade? Go out and get deGrom or even Archer, and none of the other moves were really necessary. Scratching my head over here…
Did you see what Pitt gave up? That return would’ve meant brewers would’ve had to include Keston and Burnes.
Are Keston and Burnes good? I know Archer is, at least Pitt has balls to make a move and not be overprotective of their prospects
Well considering the early returns on Burnes in the big leagues is 8.2 IP, 0 ER and 13K I would say he’s off to a pretty solid start.
Archer isn’t good either though. If the Brewers plan is to just hold out and then sign a few SP in free agency, I think that’s the right move. No sense overpaying for a pitcher if that pitcher isn’t great.
All the SP available this deadline were mediocre, except for the Mets aces, who weren’t truly “available”.
Moose can play OF. Slide Shaw back to 3B, Schoop at 2B
They already had too many outfielders
Lol moose playing of over yelich Braun cain broxton etc
Braun needs a 2 days off a week so an OF of Moose, Cain and Yelich will happen more often than you think
I’d take Moose over today’s non PED Braun in a heartbeat
what evidence have you seen that moose can play outfield? im a moustakas fan but why on earth would a gm dream of moving a good glove at third to outfield in the middle of a season?
They also need to play Thames in the OF to make it so Aguilar is in the lineup at 1B as much as possible.
Any other team every complain about having too many bats? The brewers kept their top 6 prospects in a strong system and added 2 big time bats. The pitching market was steep so Stearns is going to count on 5 out of his starters and then turning it over to the pen
I think Braun takes over as the primary pinch hitter for the Brewers that Aguilar was last year and honestly think that makes the team better!!!
I’m not sure where you got the idea that Moose can play Outfield.
Couldn’t be any worse than Schwarber in LF right..?
Big time bats? Hmmm yeah no no not at all
What are you talking about re: Schwarber? He’s one of the best defensive outfielders in baseball now.
Sorry, sabermetrics win this one.
He could be much, much worse than Schwarber in Lf. What a troll fail.
Much worse than Schwarber in the OF? Ehhh I’m not sure any MLB field player could be that much worse.
Wrong. Peralta has 13 Ks per 9 innings. Anderson is a strikeout/flyball pitcher. Guerra strikes out a lot. The bullpen are almost all high L guys.
Great trade in my mind. Very good 2b
Brewers are for real
For real?
Corey ray?
Where’s Shaw playing now?
The better question is where Moose is going to play.
Okaaaay well we didn’t get a pitcher but…. Maybe Bundy in the deal? Schoop at SS? What is happening?
Great pickup for the Brewers.
Is Shaw going to play SS now?
nope we are playing Braun at ss
I wanna see Jesus Aguilar play SS. That would be awesome!
It’s like we are a real franchise. This is cool. Also, hello #1 pick.
honestly really happy for the orioles, i know people in that building that’ve been frustrated by angelos for a long time and have been dying to do this. not all of them, to be sure buck HATES this. but ya, good to see
Man our current roster sucks, lol. This is a very good thing but it’s going to be hard team to watch these next few years.
So shaw plays short now? neat!
so move Shaw back to third base, put moose at short and schoop at second
Moose at short? This has to be a joke
Going with a 5 man IF I guess?
With the 5 man OF too
If nothing else, this’ll be a fun team.
Beer league softball team that could be fun to watch (lengthy lineup and Bad News Bears defense).
This makes no sense. Shaw to SS now? Ha!
You’re putting an inexperienced shortstop (who was an average/slightly below average second basemen) on a playoff contender to turn double plays with a makeshift 230lb second basemen.
Schoop turns a double play extremely well. His range is poor though, It sounds insane to have Shaw at SS and Schoop at 2nd but that may be a better defensively alignment because Schoop doesn’t have the range for SS either. At least keep one guy where he belongs. I’m not all that familiar with Shaw’s arm, but Schoop’s is a cannon.
Shortstop!
Wow. Go O’s. Curious to see what the return is. This move needed to happen.
Craig Counsell: “We’ve been secretly working out Travis behind the dish for the past couple of weeks”.
LMFAO
Laughing at the cubs lineup compared to the brewers now? I got a chuckle too
win something before you talk smack.
been waiting a 100+ years to break that one out
Well at least he can!
You’ve won once calm down
Yep, that’s it, no it was the inclusion of Villar. If you’re going to go all-in and make a run, they’re doing it the wrong way. I’m more worried about the Pirates than MKE.
The fact that cubs fans continue to troll on brewers feeds show they are worried lol. They brewers already had the most defensive runs saved in baseball. Stearns is trading Saladino and Arica for Schoop and Shaw. Huge upgrades. Not to mention late in games you can slide Arica in defensively. A lineup to start games of Yelich RF, Cain CF, Moose 3B, Aguilar 1B, Shaw 2B, Braun LF and Schoop SS is pretty damn legit.
No, I troll the Brewers because every July they make idiotic moves like this instead of filling actual holes.
Where are the “actual holes” after these trades, besides offensive production at the catcher position? Is it because the brewers don’t have overpaid/overrated starting pitching, such as Quintana 4.26 ERA, Darvish 4.95 ERA, and now Hamels 4.72 ERA? Do I even have to mention Chatwood who currently holds a WHIP near 1.8. The Royals did just fine when they went to the world series in 2014 & 2015 with a mediocre starting rotation and a stellar bullpen
Don’t forget Pina C. He’ll get on base every couple of weeks
Drinking already today huh? You can go position by position in comparing Cubs vs Brewers and find one, MAYBE two places the Brewers have the better player. Not even close my man.
WHAT’S WRONG WITH DRINKING ON DEADLINE DAY?! (caps totally necessary)
Contreras> whoever the brewers have at C, Aguilar>Rizzo, Baez>Shaw, Russell>Arcia, Bryant>Moose, Yelich>Schwarber, Cain>Almora, Thames>Hayward. Brewers SP>Cubs SP, and Brewers BP>Cubs bullpen. So like idk how it’s “not close”
Hmmm. Brewers (B), Cubs (C)
Batting avg (B) – 16th, (C) – 2nd
OBP – 19th, (C) – 1st
Slug- 15th, (C) 7th
Runs – 16th, (C) 5th
HR- 10th, (C) 21st
Brewers got the Cubs in HR congrats. That’s it.
And Thames > Heyward is a typo on your part that’s okay I forgive you. Try looking at 2018 numbers.
And Cain is having a nice year .294, .388, .413 yes. Almora .307, .343, .419. Not too different and Almora is a walking, I’m sorry diving, web gem waiting to happen.
Brewers are a cute story like they are every year. By sept 1st see ya.
And I can’t wait for the walking talking blah blah blah’er that is brew crew 08 to respond with some non sense. Feet are up kicked back waiting for inaccurate retort!
The fact that you are comparing Cain to Almora shows your bias lol. There is a reason Cain has the 4th highest WAR in all of baseball. Those offensive figures don’t include Bryant being down for a month plus now and adding Moose/Schoop. Not to mention you did the right thing keeping the pitching and bullpen numbers off your comparison because the Brewers win most of those categories. They win most of them without paying guys like Darvish 20M per year too.
That same Cubs offense that has more hits, more runs, better average, better slugging and better OPS than Milwaukee? To go along with one of the better infield defenses in the NL? Oh, ok, good luck.
See your argument would have merit if all those stats offensively for the brewers didn’t include moose or Schoop and they did include Bryant for the cubs. If we are talking pure offensive production this season Aguilar has been better than rizzo, Schoop as SS is better offensively than Russell, Moose is better than whoever is playing 3B with Bryant out a while, Cain is clearly better than Almora, Yelich is better than Heyward and Braun/Schwarber are close. So you get Baez and Contreras. Not to mention look at defensive runs saved. Who’s leading the league?
Wow, you are insane if you actually believe that.
Those “defensive” stats don’t include Moose or Schoop, they are clearly worse defensively. So whatever, Shaw over Bryant, Aguilar over Rizzo? Only brewer fans would think that, poll fans of the other teams, you’ll be outnumbered 29-1.
If you would learn to read I said Shaw over whoever is taking over for Bryant while he is out. If the poll said who’s been better offensively this year Aguilar or rizzo the answer is Aguilar. I’ll leave this here…
Jesus = 305AB, 25HR, 74RBI, .282AVG, .358OBP, .584SLG and .942 OPS.
Rizzo = 361AB, 15HR, 69RBI, .263AVG, .360OBP, .440SLG and .800 OPS.
Stats are great, I guarantee Rizzo is better than Jesus the rest of the way. You’re insane. Shaw isn’t a 2B, Schoop has played SS twice in his career, good luck. Your defense blows and your offense still isn’t as good as Chicago’s
The last month, Rizzo is hitting over .300 and Jesus below .200. Jesus also has twice as many strikeouts, the fade has already begun.
Over the last 30 days Jesus has 6 HR and 20 RBI. Rizzo is at 3 HR and 14 RBI. So even with Rizzo getting hot and Jesus “fading” he’s still being more productive.
Three straight NLCS’s and a WS title, what has MKE done? Keep talking, we’ll keep winning. What happened to that lead this year? What happened o that lead last year? Just blew it sooner this time around?
You’re embarrassing yourself, r_d. Winners don’t act like that.
Dude Aguilar blows Rizzo out of the water this year
In case you haven’t seen it, the Cubs lineup is still better than what the Brewers will trot out….and they play defense too. . But when your franchise hangs Wild Card banners as accomplishments, you just don’t know any better. T-shirts and trophies for everyone….the Brewers way.
I love how you continue to reference defense when the brewers lead baseball in defensive runs saved. You have no stats to back up your argument. Will their defense slide back to middle of the pack? Possibly. Will their offense be drastically better? Yes. You’re essentially replacing Arica with Schoop and Shaw with Saladino. Again a cubs lineup without Bryant is not better than the Brewers. With a healthy Bryant sure but he hasn’t been 100% all year.
Defense without Schoop and Shaw out of position? You use these stats to your favor, but when the Cubs clearly have a better offense they don’t anymore because of Schoop and Moose? So you can say the Brewers offense is better after the deal but I can’t say the Cubs defense is better now? Got it, homer talk if I’ve ever heard it. Go listen to Bill Schroeder spew a bunch of BS on tonight’s telecast about how much the Brewers are better than the Cubs. Drink that Kool aide, go ahead. I’ll be laughing in October
Did I not just say the defense will fall to the middle of the pack? You’re talking like the cubs play outstanding defense lol. If the brewers want a defensive lineup they start Arica and sit Shaw. If they want an offensive lineup they sit Arica and start Shaw at 2B. Having flexibility like that is actually a good thing.
The fact that the Brewers lead baseball in defensive runs saved is impressive (depending which analytic is being used), but the Cubs are SECOND. (Depending which analytic again). Not exactly a gap there.
The Cubs, without a healthy Bryant all year, are still outscoring the Brewers.
I doubt the Cubs clinch the division before the last week, but they are still the best team in the division.
I would agree but it’s by far not a lock the cubs win the division. The brewers are 15 games over .500 with arguably the worst offensive middle infield in baseball between Saladino, sogard and Arica. Adding moose, Schoop and Soria to that team clearly only makes them better. Do I think the cubs probably win the division yes but I think it takes 95-96 games to do it this year.
I just hate the cubs fans (see above) who always tie their arguments into what past seasons were. Chicago fans have to live in the past because outside of the cubs now that’s the only time the city had any decent sports teams.
BrewCrew08
What a moronic statement. Chicago has never had any great sports teams? Ok genius.
Of course Milwaukee … now that you claim is a championship city? Hahaha ok pal
You cant stand that the Cubs are a terrific franchise and have enjoyed much success since Theo turned them around and it eats you up.
Fact your defense is now horrendous. Your pitching is weak and your team does not have what it takes to go the distance.
Boy you needed Machado bad!! Your team could not get it done. Archer now in Pittsburgh. Your team could not get it done
Did you even read what I said? I said the cubs have to live in the past because outside of the cubs now that’s the only time the city had a good sports team. That implies that the cubs are the only good Chicago team RIGHT NOW. Bears? Bulls? White Sox? Blackhawks weren’t good last year. All I ask is you learn to actually read and comprehend before you try to call someone out.
His comprehension was poor because your comment was written poorly. Outside of anything ‘now’ is the past (or the future, I guess), be it good Cubs teams or Chicago teams or literally anything else.
Trying to play an obvious universal statement into a commentary on Cubs fans would confuse anybody, it’s nonsensical.
Dumbest front office in baseball. TWO YEARS in a row they didn’t pull the trigger on a starter. Horrible
dumb not to dismantle the farm system? if that’s what it took to get Archer, I’m glad Stearns didn’t pull the trigger
If you keep holding onto your beloved farm system it will eventually bite you in the ass
and if you trade away your farm it will bite you in the ass
And if you hold onto it forever it will bite you in the ass. You guys are about as dumb as the front office is. Watch the pirates overtake Milwaukee now. But hey at least the farm system is intact!
Who said Stearns had to overpay for archer now? The brewers window is years not just 2018.
+wax
like how you just repeated yourself after i gave a counter to your argument. good1. im also a Yankees fan, you know, a fan of the team that is reaping in the rewards of believing in the farm and not just trading everything away for overrated players (Severino, Judge, Sanchez, Torres, Andujar, Gardner, Robertson, J. Montgomery, Betances etc. panned out and there were so many moments where they could have prematurely traded them away when they were prospects to cash in on players like Samardzija or Cueto). You want to see a team that is as doubtful of the farm as you? Look at the Giants right now.
The Brewers window doesn’t even crack open until the Cubs window closes….and that’s going to be a while.
Right! 2 teams in the same division can’t be good at the same time! That’s like say… the Yankees being good AND the Red Sox being good! It’ll never happen!
The Giants have won 3 WS the padt 10 years….
Really. Years huh? When you clowns actually WIN something, anything, let me know
Wait is this a cubs fan going to that “when you win something line”. It’s like every Cubs fan is stuck on the same broken record
The farm system isn’t that good. It has some depth….but ZERO difference makers. You win with difference makers…not retreads and league-average guys that were once prospects. Huge difference.
You’re right. Burnes isn’t producing out of that terrible farm system with no difference makers.
What so Peralta, Corbin, Ray, Lutz, Erceg, Derby, Huira and Brown aren’t going to be difference makers also these trades will also help by not having to start some of these major league clocks to have to start early. People think we don’t have enough pitching which we do our offense has been our Achilles. Not mention we now can add a hitter in World Series and intra league games. Plus injuries happen.
Why trade for a pitcher when your essentially dismantling the farm system. Archer would’ve cost the brewers a ton. Brewers were smart nit to give up the farm
Well Pittsburgh certainly did not give up the farm either
Nah schoop gonna pitch
Hahaha! Sooooo, does Shaw now move to SS?! Or Catcher? Or the starting rotation? MLB Network has been clowning Milwaukee all day and for good reason, their moves make no sense, as a Cubs fan… I LOVE IT. Second deadline in a row that Stearns wet himself at the deadline.
Actually they didn’t do much last deadline as they wisely waited for their contention window to open. You think Cordell for Swarzak was “wetting himself?” Interesting definition
Maybe they trust universal DH will come to NL soon 😉
Or forgot they moved to the NL years ago.
They are adding lots of bats. Curious to see where everyone plays on defense, but interesting and aggressive move for the Brewers.
Brewers breaking it off in their fans two years running.
By having the best lineup and bullpen in the NL?
You’re crazy if you think that’s the best lineup in the NL. Cubs and Dodgers have a better lineup and all round teams.
Again you guys can hate on the brewers all you want but I don’t know of a lineup in the NL that can trot out Cain, Yelich, Aguilar, Moose, Shaw, Schoop and Braun
Haha, there is a reason why EVERYONE on MLB Network has been clowning the Brewers for the last hour, including their insiders… essentially those that actually get paid for their opinions.
I realize Brewer fans have only seen playoff baseball 3 TIMES in their entire existence, but a heads up, defense and pitching matters in the post season. Now you have a guys at two KEY defensive positions, one that has NEVER played 2B in Shaw, one who has only played a small handful of games at SS in Schoop.
You still don’t have a legit post season caliber SP, a ML caliber Catcher. It’s a joke, Stearns is taking the name Brewers too literally. He’s putting together this team like it’s some Friday night keg softball league.
Might work in the regular season, definitely won’t in the post season… IF they even get there. But sure… all the homer Brewers fans know more than those that actually get paid for their opinion.
All I know, as a Cubs fan, Stearns made it pretty stress free for us. Bryant, Morrow and Yu can take their time and get rested and healthy for the post season now. Second year in a row that Stearns gift wrapped the division to the Cubs.
Gotta chug a beer every time you make an error. Since when is Cain, Willie Mays?
That lineup is in Chicago. And they play defense as well. Milwaukee…not so much.
See all I can really do is laugh at this lol. So you’re saying Stearns made the division easier by adding one guy who hit 38HR last year and another who went 32 and 105? Oh and strengthening an already great pen?
What they did in 2017 doesn’t help them in 2018.
But isn’t that the argument every single cubs fan makes? “What have you done the past 5 seasons?” Or “when’s the last time the brewers made the playoffs?”
If we want to go off production this year Moose is on pace for 32 and Schoop 28. Brewers could have 4 30HR hitters this year.
you are a freaking CUBS fan. You of all people should not be talking about the postseason.
This makes no sense at all. Why trade for Moose?
This reeks of a “trade-just-to-make-a-trade”.
Middle IF defense will suffer & harm pitchers.
Schoop played SS in minors so maybe he playing there
So instead of adding a starter, they are trading a starting prospect in Ortiz? Puzzling to say the least.
Schoop will be a star in this league. So sad to see him leave. This man get hit
Ya it’s really hard to find guys who have an OBP of .300
Penalize him for a bad 1st half. You see his last month? Or how about 2017 when he went .290-32-105?
Penalizing him for his career .296 OBP.
He doesn’t walk. Players can still be highly productive when they don’t walk. OBP isn’t your end all be all stat. Particularly from a power hitting MI. He’s prone to long slumps where he’s not productive because he won’t walk, so no I don’t think you’ll ever see Schoop become a star but he can absolutely be a good regular as he’s shown.
Any chance Hiura is involved? He’s blocked now.
only for next season
Wishful thinking I know. I was hoping maybe they included Givens or something.
Schoop to short
Villar and Perez can play SS correct? I don’t watch brewers games, are they good defensively? Surprised there was no talks on Freddy galvis to Milwaukee or Oakland.
Villar is in the trade.
Villar went to Baltimore
Villar was traded for Schoop
I will say what every thinking Brewer fan is thinking. Villar leaving makes this a great trade. Doesn’t really matter who else is involved.
I think you’re not on the same page
ok, now I’m getting bummed. I expected some downtime but hoped the rebuild would be a year or two, now it looks like they are headed for another 14 years of losing.
I dont think you’re on the same page
Dude they tagged the wrong Luis Ortiz in that link….unless the Brewers traded the Cardinals 18 year old prospect for Schoop….in that case….what a literal STEAL of a trade!!!
At least the Brewers tried to improve, like the Cubs and Pirates. The Stand Pat Cards are an embarrassment. Only move was a vendictive one. So they were really neither sellers or buyers. Happy with 4th place, cause let’s face it, the fans will show up anyway.
Unbelievably stupid.
Great move! Who did we trade?! Not huira, gatewood, erceg, Ray, Ortiz or burnes. People who don’t get this move don’t get baseball. Aguilar has been terrible lately. Moose can play anywhere, Shaw can play ss and our previous ss and 2nd basemen can’t play defense either. Having extra bats on the bench isn’t a negative. Our bench was Braun, Perez and bums.
They did trade Ortiz “among others”
Who doesn’t understand baseball here? If you think buying a bunch of hitters that have to play out of position is a good idea, or wasting prospects for hitters that sit on the bench is brilliant, there’s nothing else that needs to be said. Might work for next season, but he has two top twenty prospects he can’t use to acquire a front line starter. Bye Bye to a deep run in 2018.
Stearns has been so restrained going into this year, but I don’t get any of his moves this year
Either Moose or Shaw going to the bench…….That’s a fact
No, that’s a guess. A fact is something proven. A guess is something you think will happen. Big difference.
Ugh… Ortiz. I can accept that if the rest is mediocre players
Villar and our 30th prospect. That’s even worse than mediocre lol
Ortiz is about 4-7-ish and Carmona about 13/14. Big overpay by my Brewers
Ortiz is 7th in the brewers system and they kept Burnes, Peralta. Carmona is years away he’s still tying to figure out rookie ball. Not to mention Villar is addition by subtraction. All those defense talk look at how bad Villar is defensively
This doesn’t even help the brewers now they have to sit a good Infielder every game. What a waste
Counsell regularly sits just about everyone except Yelich and Cain. Probably the only guy who will be on the roster who doesn’t start, get regular pinch hit chances or be a late inning defensive substitute is Perez..maybe.
I’m not saying this is the smartest trade I’ve seen, but it really can’t be as bad as many people want to believe. Whoever said it was in part addition by subtraction just by shipping Villar out is right. He’s bad defensively. Plus Miller is gone and Saladino has to be packing his bags as well.
Anyone know Schoops contract?
1 more year of Arb then he’s a free agent
It’s an odd trade. Is Moose on 3rd, Shaw as SS, demoting Arcia so he keeps playing, Schoop on second? I wish they had gotten a starter or catcher.
What happen to 62 stolen bases Villar? Are they putting the breaks on him or is he just not reaching?
Both. He wasn’t getting much playing time when healthy and when he did reach he would make stupid mistakes on the bases. He’d get thrown out trying to steal 3rd with 2 outs or stretching a double into a triple. He even got picked off at second on more than a few occasions. I’m pretty sure those mistakes put him in the dog house with CC and upper management because his BA was a lot higher than other guys playing in his place.
Very strange team from the offseason until now. Their priorities are very questionable.
Big mistake giving up Ortiz in the deal
Villar fine, carmona I like but years away. Only Ortiz did I care about but I’m good with it
Schoop played 7 games the last two years at SS. He could play there
milwaukee schoop’ed on in and got the deal before the deadline
Schoop will play SS
Did they forget that they already traded for Moustakas?
Looks like Schoop has played a few games at SS. Maybe they try him there?
Also, link is to wrong Luis Ortiz. Should be the AA always-injured guy.
That lineup is scary, and so is the defense. They better hope the starting pitching can holdup. Not like the Cubs are any better in that category.
Maybe they platoon Shaw and Schoop at 2nd base (with Shaw also playing a game or two per week at third to give Moose a day off). Also even on his days off Schoop can come in on his off days. And then if Moose leaves in free agency you’ve got third and second filled next season. And yes while Ortiz is a good piece to give up, they didn’t give up much else and we had a couple pitchers ahead of him. Good deal
Strange deals. If they had traded for Schoop first would they still have gone after Mouse? Gotta think the defense is going to suffer. I like Schoop more than Mouse, but come on the Brewers need starting pitching. Gotta think they will be looking in August at a Wheeler type of deal. Really gotta question the GM on these moves
Mouse?? Lol
Yes the pun was intended
And the NY Mets did………
NOTHING!
Good job Crew! We didn’t get the SP we desperately need, so instead we hurt our pitching staff by playing middle infielders out of position!
No pitching added…IF defense downgraded.
Traded 1 top 10 prospect for moose, soria and schoop. We traded multiple crappy prospects having decent seasons. Medeiros, Lopez, philips all have been disapointing byband large.
Phillips and Ortiz were both roughly 4-7 prospects. Not sure where you’re looking
Phillips may have been the 7th rated prospect in the system, but that doesn’t mean a ton. Too much swing and miss, unsustainable BABIP, blocked in the OF, running out of options… Pretty sure the Brewers saw him as more of a 4th OF type and thus expendable.
I think Phillips is a 4th OF, but we don’t know for sure until he plays every day. Just saying that we traded 2 top 10 guys by any metric.
It’s Ok, you have plenty more crappy prospects that Milwaukee folks think are difference makers. They aren’t…..
I didn’t know you could tell the future of prospects? Why isn’t someone paying you millions to be a GM?
Not sure what everyone is questioning, Schoop has played 7 whole games at SS in his career and never made an error there!
In all honesty there will be a rotation going on. Shaw cannot hit lefties, so Schoop will play 2B and Arcia at SS those days, guys need days off, etc. But those days that its Schoop at SS and Shaw at 2B will be interesting to say the least.
I’ll miss johnny baseball. It’s a shame such a great group of players couldn’t be kept together. You really see how short a window can be to win a World Series
After the 2014 season, all we needed was a #1 starter and keep Cruz and we would have been right back at it but 2015 is when it all started to come undone. They showed they had no interest in winning.
They kept the wrong guys. Should have kept markakis, Cruz, Andrew Miller, extended Machado and/or schoop. Instead they kept oday, trumbo, Davis and never found a starter.
Can’t blame Stearns, the Brewers have only made the playoffs 3 times in their entire existence. No one told him that pitching and defense wins in the post season. Hahaha, it will be fun (for everyone other than Brewers fans) to see the DP combo of Schoop at SS and Shaw at 2B. Maybe Shaw can play SS, Schoop can’t. Maybe Shaw could be a Catcher. Can he pitch? Maybe he can now move to the rotation. Haha
MLB network and all the insiders have been clowning the Brewers for the last hour, hilarious.
As a Cub fan, this is great. Now Bryant, Morrow and Yu can take their time and get healthy and rested for the post season. For the second year in a row, Stearns just gift wrapped the division. WOW!
You’re gloating and including Darvish? I mean ya us Brewers fans are SUPER jealous of the big money you paid for a broken down former ace. Good luck waiting for him to get healthy. You’ll be waiting when Cueto makes it back.
Sound like a 5 year child who didn’t get a cookie before dinner. Reality setting in and you can’t Handel the truth. One thing for sure our SP not as bad as people think. As far as money. Not yours so what do you care. Can’t help your owner is cheap wad and you have a stupid GM. You guys said the same BS about Heyward. Yet his BA is better than 80% of your players. Nothing like a hater who can’t have what other people do. lol.
You write like a 5 year old child.
I don’t know how it’s great. They’re replacing the worst MIF in the league with guys who can hit. The defense may be so bad it’s a lateral move but it certainly can’t make them worse.
You are ridiculous. You’re a cubs fan. You’ve literally won the World Series once in the last 100 years. Slow your roll, you aren’t the Giants or the Cardinals or the Yankees. You’re the cubs.
“wahh the Brewers need infield help more than anything!”
*brewers get infield help*
“wAHHH THEY DIDNT GET STARTING PITCHING OMG WHY DID THEY GET AN INFIELDER THEY HAD THE GREATS THERE ALREADY!!! SOGARD, SALDINO, ARCIA, THAT ONE GUY WHO CAME FROM THE RAYS THAT THEY RECENTLY CUT!!! CANT BELIEVE THEY GOT INFIELD HELP!!!”
surprising that so many people think it was bad that they filled positions they needed
They never should have traded for Moose.
If they weren’t going to make a huge move, they should have went for Galvis, Ross, Stammen
Everyone plays their natural positions
Lol. You go Brewers. Lol. Ha ha ha. You didn’t need a pitcher or that player n prospect anyway. At least now the infield matches outfield. Lol.
Mean time Pitt flipping you off while Archer packs his bags for the steel city.
Stearns = Son of Dork. Son of Dork.
Yes it sucks having a stacked outfield, infield and relievers. Starters only have to go 5 innings and have been doing just fine.
Win something…..ANYTHING….in your team’s existence. Then maybe the Brewers will be considered relevant.
I will legit pay any cubs fan that can come up with a different line.
As a giants fan it’s hilarious to watch these cubs fans gloat over their 1 World Series appearance in 108 years and act like they are masters of the postseason.
Infield matches the outfield? You mean elite status? Cain and Yelich alone make it one of the best OFs in the league.
Schoop will be the primary SS. He played almost 2000 innings there in the minors, which is the equivalent of about 200+ games. He was blocked in Baltimore so they used him at 2B.
Yeah, but he’s still only played 7 games there in the last 4 1/2 years. It’s gonna be a big adjustment back and they’re gonna throw him straight into the fire.
if we let Miller play short I think we will be fine with Schoop their 1 or 2 games a week
AMEN!!!!
Brad Miller? The guy they DFA’d and then released? Don’t think he’ll be playing much SS…
He played SS with the brewers. Does any cubs fan truly know how to read and comprehend? Any at all?
What better way to learn. With that offense, you have to imagine we have a little breathing room for that.
Schoop was moved because he was a poor defensive SS in addition. It wasn’t solely because of our internal options. I commend the Brewers for rolling the dice though. We’ll see how it works.
Sometimes you do things differently and see how it goes. It could be a miserable failure but it’s a direction and they’re trying to improve. It’s only a half season test anyway because Moose will be gone. Then they can slide Schoop and Shaw back over and figure out SS.
Would have thought bundy in the trade and send back Shaw to lessen the prospect blow. Shaw should have intrigued Baltimore imo.
^and would have solved their position overload.
1. Cain CF
2. Yelich RF
3. Aguilar 1B
4. Moose 3B
5. Schoop SS
6. Shaw 2B
7. Braun/Thames LF
8 Pina/Kratz
9, Pitcher
Defense surely takes a hit here, but not in the OF. All of the infielders are infielders. They will learn and get to know each other and adapt. Something tells me the defense will be OK and the runs will come in Bunches.
1. Chacin
2. Peralta
3. Guerra
4. Anderson
5. Miley
Sadly, this is one of the better rotations the Brewers have had in recent memory. It’s a solid group 1-4 and we’ll see how Miley does. Pitching tonight at LAD.
Didn’t list the bullpen, but its rock solid. This is one of the best teams in the NL.
That’s cute, still won’t win the division.
Its in the bag pretty sure Pittsburgh won’t catch us.
You’re right they have no chance! Red Sox are the best team in baseball lets just crown them the champs and stop playing
This isn’t the NBA the playoffs actually matter in baseball
Then if Nelson and Davies come back.
You’re on another planet entirely if you think Nelson is coming back. Not only is 2018 over, but so is his career. You obviously have no clue what labrum surgery is.
Did you see the if. Didnt say he was.
Dude enough trolling. I get it, the Cubs did nothing and you’re sad. Now just move along.
He is throwing breaking ball bullpens in la right now.
I noticed Derby only pitched an inning in his start the other night I wonder if Burnes goes back to starter with Houser and Derby for the pen if Miley falters
And if you believe in peripheral stats, every one of Brewers SP’s are out-performing their stats. This translates to regression which translates to “wait for next year”
Also, Moose is just 2 mo. & Schoop 14 mo. then they’re gone!
Not sure why everyone is complaining about defense when the Brewers for this far with Saladino/Villar/Miller/Perez manning the middle infield most of the season and all those guys are awful defensively. Can it really be that much worse? I agree the move is questionable, but it’s not as if these guys are replacing gold glovers. Arcia will still get some time and come in late in games, but his bat just can’t play right now.
Agreed 100%. If this works, Stearns will look like a genius. If it doesn’t, well we didn’t just give up the package Pittsburgh gave up for an “Ace” (if you want to call him that.)
To be fair, not all Brewers fans are homers. Twitter is blowing up with Brewers fans irate at Stearns over these moves and lack of other moves. You can’t paint all fans of a particular team with the same brush. Plenty of them get it.
You’re one of the biggest homers here.
So will Shaw pitch?
Is it possible for Brewers second baseman to have 736 at bats at this point of season? Not while exclusively playing second base?
Damn, I wish we could post links in here. Just read a report that the Cubs were in on every SP that the Brewers were targeting, from Archer to Harvey and everyone in between, just to hike up the acquisition cost until the Brewers bowed out. After picking up Hamels, they had no intention of adding another SP to an already packed rotation. Very smart!
21st in quality starts maybe they should’ve signed Archer and not a former #2 starter.
How do you sign a player that’s not a free agent? Hmmmm
Good point. Guess the Cubs will win it all!
Thank you Bryzzo2016, very cool!
“Counsell’s Wallbangers!” I like it. What the hell. I’m glad we didn’t overpay for one of the starting pitchers this last offseason, and I’m glad we didn’t overpay for one now. We still have a nice farm, we got too many good bats for a lineup, and some awkward but interesting defensive play up ahead. I’ve been a brewer fan for a long, long time. We are currently second in the division and first in the wild card, and I think we can score as many, if not out score, the entire NL the rest of the way. Don’t let the cubs fans get to you boys. We weren’t even plan on this year being our run, and we are in contention. Go brewers! Go Stearns! Can’t wait to watch some Brewers/Dodgers tonight!!!!!
Yeah Stearns wasn’t planning on going on a run this year after they got yelich and Cain
Hey show some respect please Mr.wisconsin is obviously an older like me. Be classy and show you were brought up right.
They are both controlled for at least 4 years…
Lost in all of the nonsense is that way too often, when guys play out of position, their hitting suffers as much, if not more than their defense. It’s the main reason you just don’t take 8 hitters and let them play their own positions. If Milwaukee thinks they are going to be getting peak offensive performance from these guys that are obviously, and definitely, playing out of position….in a pennant race on top of it….good luck with that.
He was pitching 60-70% off the mound today. He might not be back this year, but his career is not over.
Yeah. JD Martinez and buster posey really suffer when they play out of position
I was hoping to see Schoop and Gausman in a Braves’ uniform and Swanson in a O’s uni, hey, how about another trade, lol.
We have to remember that Brewer’s pitchers rarely go more than 5+ innings which means the double switch gives us greater flexibility with the lineup, in the infield and the outfield. That bench will be stronger than most teams, let’s CC use his bullpen more effectively, and still gets guys lot’s of at bats. Sure it’s not all 9 innings, but with 50 games or so to go they’ll be happy fighting for the division and best record in the NL. If they make the playoffs this matters even more because of how big a bullpen game the playoffs become and the positional flexibility.
Jonathan Schoop is better than Jonathan Villar? I don’t know about that. Pretty equal.
Pretty equal except not. Schoop is vastly superior.
Agree
Moose and Schoop are both going to most likely be rentals for this year. Both are FA’s after the season and I don’t see the Brewers resigning Moose. Potentially Schoop, but I think everyone is overreacting to the infield situation right now. Shaw is most likely going back to third, they keep Arica and Schoop at SS and 2B and wait for Hiura to come up, giving them some depth. These deals are short-term stop-gaps to hopefully make the playoffs.
Schoop isn’t a free agent.
What do they do w moose then? They just trade for him for the hell of it?
He’s a rental player. They can afford to play him at third. They can also cycle between him Shaw and Schoop and give one of them a rest day. It’s not like Moose is signed to a 5 year deal. They only have to position themselves like this for less than 60 games. I think its still a positive compared to relying on Tyler Saladino and Brad Miller.
Wrong
Crew got played by Duquette/O’s! Balt wouldn’t agree few days ago so Crew moved on to Moose. Then, last minute, Duquette goes back to Crew saying price has been lowered! Crew jumps on it. Old GM played the new boy!
Yeah Duquette is a genius! He was so smart to hold onto all his rental assets until the trade deadline and maximizing their value instead of trading them in the offseason. /s
Wow are you stupid
Yeah DD played the crew by making them trade for an extra player and getting a lower return for himself? That’s called being stupid
The Brewers starting rotation has actually been much better than people think this year. They have the most quality starts in the National League. Check out how they compare to the Cubs starters:
Brewers: 578 IP, 3.85 ERA, 500 K, .231 BAA.
Cubs: 563 IP, 4.14 ERA, 476 K, .246 BAA
So why do they need to give the farm away for starting pitching?
That’s because most of the comments on the Brewers feeds are from Cubs fans telling us how terrible the Brewers. But they fail to realize that’s its August already and despite the pre break swoon, the Brewers just tied for the division lead. Carry on folks.
Lovable losers.
Hopefully they can keep this up. The Cubs will be chumps again in 2124 it will be ok. Hold on.
3rd and 2nd
So does the mayor of ding dong city now pitch?
Check the comments to see how well that joke landed the first 5 times
Wrong link on Ortiz.
Stearns must be confused or think he’s playing fantasy baseball where you can get by with a guy out of position or a subpar infield defense by loading up on offense Then add in CC who manages like like someone with A.D.D. How do they expect any player (Villar, Broxton, Perez, etc., etc.) and the team to be consistent when there’s little consistency in the lineup and batting order?? As a (frustrated) Brewer fan, I was hoping a stud starting pitcher would have been acquired by now for some of the Grade A prospects that have been traded away over the past year.
Pitching & defense wins in the post season!
Schoop WAR = 0.7, Villar WAR = 0.7. Villar had 100 fewer PA. So Brewers gave up two prospects and a lot of club control over Villar for nothing?
Brewers hoping for 2017 Schoop, Orioles hoping for 2016 Villar.