The Giants announced they’ve agreed to terms on a two-year contract extension with shortstop Brandon Crawford. It’s a $32MM deal, with Crawford slated to receive matching $16MM salaries between 2022-23. The three-time All-Star had been slated to reach free agency at the end of the season. Crawford is represented by Wasserman.
The deal will tack on another two seasons for Crawford, who turns 35 years old in January, in orange and black. The Giants selected the Bay Area native in the fourth round of the 2008 draft after a standout career at UCLA. He made his big league debut three years later and has been an organizational fixture ever since. Crawford has been San Francisco’s starting shortstop for the past decade, contributing to the franchise’s 2012 and 2014 World Series titles.
While Crawford broke in as a light-hitting defensive specialist, he put together three consecutive solid seasons with the bat from 2014-16, earning the NL’s Silver Slugger award for shortstops in the second of those years. Beginning in 2017, he started to fall off at the plate and eventually bottomed out with a .228/.304/.350 line in 2019. Crawford looked destined to end his career as a bottom-of-the-order type, but he’s posted a remarkable turnaround over the past two seasons.
The left-handed hitter bounced back to put up a quality .256/.326/.465 line in 2020. It might’ve been easy to waive that away as a small sample in the shortened season, but he’s been an absolute force at the plate this year. Crawford enters play Friday carrying a .296/.364/.540 mark with nineteen home runs over 371 plate appearances.
That’s far and away the best offensive showing of his career, and it’s among the best production of any player in baseball. Crawford’s 139 wRC+ suggests he’s been 39 percentage points more productive than the league average hitter after accounting for Oracle Park’s pitcher-friendly nature. That’s the #27 mark among the 282 hitters with 200+ plate appearances. At shortstop, only Fernando Tatís Jr. has been better at the plate.
Crawford’s not making much more contact or drawing many more walks than he has over the prior few seasons. He’s simply hitting the ball harder more consistently. Crawford’s 44.7% hard contact rate is his best mark since 2015, up nearly ten percentage points over his run of poor offense from 2017-19. His barrel rate (essentially how often Crawford hits the ball hard at a launch angle conducive to power) is up to 14.4% — easily his highest clip since Statcast became public in 2015 and a 90th percentile mark leaguewide. He’s hitting more fly balls generally, and it’s no coincidence he’ll certainly surpass his previous career best in homers (21).
Equally as important, Crawford has shown no signs of decline on defense. He’s always been among the game’s most sure-handed defenders, and that hasn’t changed despite his age. Statcast has credited the three-time Gold Glove award winner with 10 outs above average this season, a mark that trails only Nick Ahmed, Francisco Lindor, Matt Chapman, Nicky Lopez and Andrelton Simmons among infielders. Crawford’s reputation and advanced metrics suggest he’s still among the game’s premier defenders.
Crawford’s production on both sides of the ball is a huge reason the Giants have surprisingly posted the league’s best record. Between his stellar production, longstanding importance to the organization, and previous ties to the Bay Area, it’s little surprise both sides were motivated to get a deal done.
Even after signing Crawford, the Giants have an abundance of future payroll space. Evan Longoria ($19.667MM), Tommy La Stella ($5.25MM) and Jake McGee ($2.5MM) are the only other players with guaranteed contracts on the books next season. For a franchise that has previously pushed payroll up near $200MM, there’s plenty of breathing room for president of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi and the rest of the front office.
That abundance of financial flexibility reflects the huge crop of potential free agents in San Francisco, though. Like Crawford, catcher Buster Posey and first baseman Brandon Belt are franchise cornerstones having great seasons. Posey’s contract comes with a $22MM club option for 2022 ($3MM buyout), while Belt is scheduled to reach free agency at the end of the year. So is staff ace Kevin Gausman, as well as rotation mates Anthony DeSclafani, Alex Wood and Johnny Cueto. (Cueto has a $22MM club option that looks likely to be bought out). Deadline acquisition Kris Bryant will be one of the top position players on the market.
There’s obviously quite a bit on the offseason to-do list for Zaidi and general manager Scott Harris. They’ve started their winter work early by ensuring that Crawford returns at shortstop. There’s a good chance this extension solidifies Crawford as a one-franchise player. Last month, he told John Shea of the San Francisco Chronicle he could consider retirement a couple years from now.
“As a competitor, I don’t ever want there to be a year like, ‘Oh, yeah, this is the end for him,’” Crawford told Shea. “I want to still be a good player the last year of my career. That’s why I’d say, ‘Yeah, at least a couple of more years would be nice.’ I don’t want to be 39 or 40 and feel I can’t move around anymore at short. I still want to be a good shortstop when I decide to hang it up.”
Crawford’s previous extension, signed in November 2015, contained a full no-trade clause. This deal does not, but that’s presumably because such a provision was unnecessary. Crawford reached ten years of major league service in June. With it, he locked in full no-trade rights as a 10-and-5 player (one with ten years of MLB service, the last five of which have come with the same team).
The signing removes one of the best-performing impending free agents from next winter’s market. There’s been a huge amount of attention on the star-studded shortstop class, which will include Carlos Correa, Corey Seager, Trevor Story, Marcus Semien and Javier Báez. Crawford has been as or more productive than all of them this year. His age was always going to keep him from landing any sort of mega-deal, but Crawford could’ve been a target for immediate contenders needing a shortstop. Instead, he’ll forego the open market to stick with the only organization he’s ever known.
Alex Pavlovic of NBC Sports Bay Area was first to report the deal’s specific terms. Image courtesy of USA Today Sports.
Nice. Great job by Zaidi giving an extension to Crawford. This contract extension works for both parties. Zaidi is a genius.
Best defensive SS and one of the best overall SS in MLB.
Come on dude I know you’re being funny but I’ll bite how is he the best?
Crawford the best overall SS this season because Tatis sucks at defense, which is half the game. If it was the best hitting SS, then Tatis would win in a landslide.
Every statistic shows Tatis has been an above average SS since April, and was one of the best last season, but yeah, let one month of issues paint your entire narrative. Much easier than actually paying attention.
Statistics – particularly defensive statistics – are a joke. As is anyone that swears by them. Try questioning the code that generates them and the variables that it takes in.
It’s as dumb as saying that anyone with a college degree can think critically about the subject matter.
I know. I ran departments. We all had the same problem. Kids with degrees that spent all day on chartroom boards and screwed up their work. while telling us how the company was being run all wrong.
All statistics are a joke? What a take.
It sounds like you just have an issue with things you don’t understand, which is a normal human reaction.
Well, Crawford is swinging a hot bat this season
Well, Tatis is very overrated and has the most errors in the MLB, for any position
@ Steve Nebraska;
Tell me this….
How does the program calculate a defensive statistic when the team is shifted for a LH batter, and the 3B may be the only guy to the left of 2B……but then with 2 strikes on the batter some teams shift the SS back to the left side of the infield and the 2B to the right side….,,,and visa versa.. Some teams play the SS to the left of the 2B while others play the SS to the left of the 2B………and how exactly does the code recognize that one guy has to cover 45 feet between 2 bases, while on the other side of the field 3 guy’s have to clover 45 feet……but then again, one guy might be playing 20 feet in the OF?
Please explain how the coding algorithms handle these situations.
It sounds like you has a problem understanding what it is you’re looking at, because you have no clue at all how it was generated..
I’d love to explain it!
Trackman keeps track of where all players are positioned at the time of each pitch. Every team has a Trackman operator who can watch the game, keep the system functioning during the game, and rewatches the next day just to make sure no mistakes are made. This way we can see how much ground a guy covers on each play and takes into account where he was positioned for each event.
We also can track things like sprint speed, outfielder jump, and route efficiency. Also things like pitch movement, spin rate, exit velocity, launch angle.
There is also Statcast, Rapsodo, and other competing companies that provide this sort of information to MLB teams. Technology is a really awesome thing once you understand how it works.
have you actually watched tatis play defense? he is spirited but much like baez makes a lot of overzealous poor decisions.
Just to pitch in, they didn’t say “all.”
Most underrated player in the big for years now. Nice job SF!
Statistics in baseball are not a joke,they’re simply a subjective reflection of the result of the play . However , their interpretation can be mis-used or overly used. Lastly, saying X or Y is the best or better most of the time is SUBJECTIVE, as such usage of statistics is necessary for comparison .
Statistics in baseball are not a joke,they’re simply a subjective reflection of the result of the play . However , their interpretation can be mis-used or overly used. Lastly, saying X or Y is the best or better most of the time is SUBJECTIVE, as such usage of statistics is necessary for comparison .
He’s a lock for his 4th Gold Glove this season.
That makes more sense, thanks Bob.
Samuel: The vast overwhelming majority of people, even supposedly-highly-intelligent baseball nerds, are naive, gullible, brainwashed, and have practically zero capacity to internalize the insightful truths that you present. Everyone just gets in line with the other lemmings, believes and does whatever the corrupt oligarchs, corrupt government organizations, and fake-journalism payola presstitutes (including the total-imbeciles who saturate sports media) tell them, and then employ full-scale mocking of enlightened people like you in order to attenuate their own dissonance.
Steve Alaska: The utility of stats are so significantly dependent upon pertinent context that, yes, in and of themselves they’re essentially a joke. It’s the agents and PA that want you to think otherwise.
You make good points. I’ll use tea leaves and palm reading to predict future player success going forward.
Somebody’s a bit salty.
“There are lies, damn lies, and statistics”-Samuel Langhorne Clemons
That’s right! I’ve said for years Bob Dylan is no good. Anyone who says he is a poet, has never read world class poetry or probably any poetry at all….cant play guitar, can’t sing and after 55+ years…really not that.muchnof a harmonica player either….but that doesn’t stop the crowd from going nut-so-coo-coo because they are so excited just to be there…. it’s pathetic….really…..
For sure the most underrated SS in MLB today, and for the last 6-8 years as well.
No such thing as clutch say the stat geeks? Here’s a guy! Been instrumental in getting his team to more playoffs and WS’s then Tatis (for one) will see, yet Tatis gets more pub showing off and injuring himself than Crawford did his entire career.
And fans in numerous cities are hoping that Trevor Story will sign with their team. LOL
Ahh another pathetic loser who can’t keep Tatis out of his mouth.
“Clutch” does exist. It’s the absence of “Choke”.
Clutch is just excelling in a small sample size. Increase the sample size and the player looks like his career norms.
Imagine comparing playoff appearances for guys who are what, 13 years apart?
I’m just glad as a Dodgers fan that Corey Seager won’t be a Giant.
It is more than math. It is psychological, physiological and centered in situational performance. Can a person manage their body chemistry in high stress situations? Some people with adrenaline and cortisol, some crumble. Does their heart rate skyrocket and lead them to throw the ball
over the batter’s head? It’s why we have openers, closers and “clutch” hitters, and people who raise their game in the playoffs.
Clutch is when it matters most, like Postseason or Late-to-Extra innings
Clutch is excelling against the best in the biggest moments…playoffs…9th inning against a closer…etc…can’t believe this is a real argument people are making
@vtadave We are equally happy we won’t be paying that albatross
@vtadave Crawford at 2/32 is much better value than whatever ridiculous contract Seager will get. Hands down.
He won’t be a Dodger either
Heh.
@Nebraska is a…what was it? Found it; a “stat geek”.
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You need to conduct all interactions with that samual guy on a pure HOTTAKE! level. Otherwise, you are in for a voluminous lecture. Of…HOTTAKE!s, obviously.
Agreed!
Strange remark, cquinn. Actually, a really dumb take on your part. Soccer fan?
Steve Baked Alaska: When you increase sample size you’re no longer evaluating clutch. What exactly is it that you believe in your head that you’re explaining??
People tend to use playoff performance to evaluate a clutch hitter. When guys get larger sample sizes in the playoff, they almost always revert closer to career norms.
I believe that clutch does exist. Some people call it “situational” performance. Billy Mills was clutch. Even if only for that one brief moment, he was the best in the world. In baseball, no one always succeeds. Mo blew two postseasons, 2001 and 2004. And yet, he succeeded in many more situations than not. Was it just randomness? Was he not clutch at all? Did he just perform to the expectations? Are those outliers? We’re the guys who beat him clutch? Did they perform to their expectations? We’re their performances outliers?
Millar walked, Robert’s stole second. Mueller singled. Changed history! And yet, hundreds of other events had to happen to make it history. Or it would not have mattered. Clutch only gets recognized when a whole host of other things happen as well.
“Other things” are not ever equal. There is no randomness to outcomes. Conditional probability is the rule in Bayes ball.
Crawford best shortstop? No. He has been really good this year and deserves the extension. Let’s leave it there.
Half a season aint “genius” Billy Beane has outsigned and outdealt him at every step of the way this year. Giants schedule is baby soft, thats the only reason why they are where they are, they play like 70 games against the worst 5 teams, smh AZ and CO in the same div…
Cole Irvin > Kevin Gausman (in terms of “genius” signing)
A’s will go deeper than SF in these playoffs, bet on an early exit by the upstart/flukey SFG. Oakland is still #1 in the Bay.
The A’s might not even be in the Bay Area much longer. Saying they are #1 is ridiculous. Just say you are a Giants hater and move on.
Really, Dodgers, Astros,Brewers are worst teams all have better record than the number 2 team in the bay the A’s, your team might not even make the playoffs, so quit hating, and didn’t the Giants take two of three from your a’s!
You have bigger problems living in the UK. Bad teeth, warm beer, cold weather, food that can choke a goat, and a bad case of Farhanitis. The A’s will be out of Oakland in no time.
Whatever you’re smoking must be mighty potent, Sparky.
The Giants, who play in baseball’s toughest division, are a vastly superior team to Oakland. As for the idiotic assertion about a soft schedule, are you referring to the Giants being 10-5 vs the AL West?
Virtually no one in the Bay Area cares about the A’s, which is why their attendance and TV ratings are pathetic – and why their inevitable departure to Vegas or elsewhere prompts nothing more than yawns.
As folks say here in the Bay Area, you can’t spell “apathy” without the A’s.
How many playoff series have the A’s won since Beane has been running the show? How many first round exits. Wildcard game eliminations?
Yes, giving 11M to a reliever who has played meaningful innings in just ONE (1) out of the last FOUR (4) seasons (Rosenthal) is so, so, so unbelievably smart by Beane/Forst.
I’m a Dodger fan and there’s no way the A’s are even close to the Giants. And spare me the easy games argument, the AL is full of garbage pitching this season. The Giants are the best “team” in baseball and it’s not really close. They are clutch 1-8 and have solid pitching throughout the staff. The A’s will fold early in the postseason as they have since the late 80’s.
really? an extention is genius?
Not genius, but a move that makes plenty of sense for both sides and removes an item from the off-season for their front office. So…smart?
DarkSide830- Lol. He is a genius for everything he has done for the Giants in a short period of time. Zaidi was able to keep the core that helped the Giants win three World Series in 5 years Busey, Crawford and Belt. Buster Posey won three World Series with the team, Brandon Belt 2 and Crawford 2. The Giants are in first place and they are leading the division by 5 games. Zaidi and his staff re-signed Gausman and he has been their ace. Also, Zaidi acquired Yastrzemski from the Orioles he has been very solid for them. Also, signing DeSclafani was terrific and Donovan Solano too. Their farm system is improved. Should I continue why Zaidi is a wise man?
Francys, I agree that Z is a genius, but I also agree with Dark that the move to extend Craw was not a genius move. It would have been a supremely un-smart move to let Crawford walk. Great move, but exactly what he should have done. Not genius, just plain logical.
That’s right! I’ve said for years Bob Dylan is no good. Anyone who says he is a poet, has never read world class poetry or probably any poetry at all….cant play guitar, can’t sing and after 55+ years…really not that.muchnof a harmonica player either….but that doesn’t stop the crowd from going nutsocookoo because they are so excited just to be there…. it’s pathetic….really…..
He’s no Al Avila… That’s for sure…..
You guys are so lucky…….
It’s pretty smart in the sense that the shortstop market is going to be pretty busy next winter, thanks to Seager, Correa, Story, and Baez all being free agents.
The Giants can now look at other positions, especially pitching, and possibly get ahead of that market.
Chris Davis retired so now it’s plan b
Fluke season
They’ll regret it
They said that about the Gausman qualifying offer… there’s a crystal ball in the Giants FO just like there is one in the Rays FO.
Not a single soul sincerely thought they would regret giving Gasuman the QO. They had so much payroll space and might as well have used it.
mlbtraderumors.com/2020/11/giants-to-issue-kevin-g…
Take a look at the comment section…
That’s a lot more backlash than I expected but just because it was a slam dunk for him to accept at the time doesn’t necessarily mean it’s bad for the team. They wanted the draft pick or extra year. Pretty easy to have seen.
i did and I will admit I was wrong there
@amk
Lol, you must not have been around when that article about the QO was posted because several people ( my self included), thought there was no way Gausman was worth that money. I’m more then happy to admit my mistake though. Just kind of an odd take considering it was pretty widely accepted that the contract was gonna suck.
@Amk1920 You got burned and how you’re sidestepping. Accept it – TONS of people berated the Giants for that deal. Just eat crow and be quiet.
I never expressed it outwardly but will fully admit I was in the doubters camp about Gausman. His career numbers just didn’t align that well, but he’s obviously figured something out and has capitalized on it. Good on him, and a great investment for the Giants.
Now the question is, how much does it cost SF to retain Gausman? He’ll be 31 in January so he probably has another 3-4 good seasons left in his arm. Will 4/$100M with a $10M buyout on a 5th year, $25M option work or will he looking for more than that ($30M+ per year)? He’s certainly pitched like an ace in 2020-2021 but he still has some baggage left from his earlier seasons. Hopefully he loves SF and is willing to sign for a reasonable amount of money. Going back to the AL would be a big mistake for him, even if the DH comes to the NL next year.
Gausman is 5-0 in 5 GS vs AZ and the Cubs, most of his numbers are inflated by those specific games. The NL West is the softest div despite having 3 contenders this year, because at the end of the day, they have 2 of the bottom 5 teams in there too. He also has a 4.20 ERA over his last 8 starts, which is way more in line with who he is.
SF got lucky, not smart, with Gausman. They paid for the 4+ ERA guy, not the small sample “domination” (against the worst teams) they got in the first half of the season.
The standings show that the N.L. West is the second-toughest in all of baseball at 14 games over .500, second only to the A.L. East. So your comment about it being the softest division could hardly be more wrong.
(FYI, the Giants are 13-12 against the mighty Dodgers and Padres.)
I think it’s hilarious how a’s fans think we have a rivalry. Like sure, I get that you wanna have a big famous rivalry with one team year after year, but the plain truth is that giants fans will never treat the A’s like they do the Dodgers. So it makes me laugh when I see a post like this out of an A’s fan.
that person is just a ridiculous troll, not sure how you didn’t get that from the awful take lol. I don’t think any real A’s fans have any sort of rivalry with Giants fans. Maybe a little bad blood over the territorial rights but probably not much
It’s a good thing the A’s gave Semien a QO.
LOL. Kevin Gausman has a 2.37 ERA against above .500 teams.
Can you tell us what it’s like to be wrong at literally everything in life? Seriously. You’re an insufferable joke of a person.
A’sfaninUK:
Wow. Cherry-pick much? Gausman is also 5-1 against SD and LA. His numbers inflated by the games against AZ and CHC? He’s only given up 13 runs in those 6 games against the Padres and Dodgers. In fact, Gausman is one of the main reasons why SF is in 1st in front of LA and SD.
I’d advise you to quit exposing your baseball ignorance in front of the well educated MLBTR readership. I’d say, in general, people do not take your overly biased posts very seriously.
All (well desreved) bashing of that A’sFaninUK guy aside, @tab2b13, I am genuinely curious what your take is in re the Crawford extension.
Merci.
Hey Ducky:
I think it’s fair as to the dollar amount. It could even be a bargain, but I’ll wait to see what guys like Baez and Story get in free-agency before I’ll say that.
If Crawford hadn’t revamped his swing, and produced at the level he is this season, I’d have thought differently. Going into the season I was seeing the Giants in the market for one of the SS FAs.. But this new approach at the plate looks sustainable for another season or two, so I like the length as well.
His defense has always been there, and I think a lot of fans don’t appreciate how important that is at such a key position. And another thing that doesn’t get mentioned much is his durability. Not counting his first season or the short 2020, he’s never played less than 143 games in every one of the 8 straight seasons in between. He’s played 95 of the Giants 116 games this season. It probably would have been more with Bochy, but Kapler is a big proponent of giving his players regular rest.
So, in short, I like it for both team and player.
Thank you for the detailed response. I am 100% willing to copy your homework on this one.
Don’t know a whole lot about the baseball Giants. (Other than they are a very good ballclub having an *excellent* season.)
But…due to you, I know a guy who does.
Gotta like a durable player who is good with the leather. My squad could use more guys like that, serious.
“The NL West is the softest div despite having 3 contenders this year”
You’re eating too much bread pudding. Those contenders have three of the top four records in the NL. That’s insane.
It’s a 2 year deal. Just enough time for Luciano to get ready… Nothing really to regret.
If he bats .250 and plays above average defense for the next 2 seasons, it was worth it.
Crawford is the perfect mentor for Luciano. Giants won’t have to rush Luciano.
I don’t think Luciano will be a SS. I believe the Giants see him at 3B or maybe as a corner OF.
From what I read they are sincerely trying to keep him at SS.
Of course Crawford won’t repeat what he’s done this year. If they thought he would, the extension would be for twice as much money. He’s getting well under a qualifying offer. $16M a year is what you pay for a slightly above average player, not a superstar… and the 2 year contract length is very little risk too.
I would’ve expected them to go after a SS in FA. Crawford has had a great year and good for him.
People have been giving top prospect a 2 year timeline to the bigs, it wouldn’t have made sense to sign a FA for 4+ years
I forgot about him. That makes sense then and Bryant is the better play for FA.
A career year, but I’m thinking overpay.
the good thing is that the Gs are in a position to overpay at this point, if it is in fact an overpay. they still can pick up Buster’s option, resign Belt, Gausman, DeScalfino and make a big play for Bryant AND have plenty of room left over to add a couple of decent parts.
I agree with everything you say EXCEPT re-signing Belt. As good as he’s been the past few months (and as great as his glove is), there are more productive ways to spend the money (starting pitching, for one—and NOT just on the expiring starters), but also because I think the Giants already have players who can step in big time at 1B.
Do not re-sign Belt. Please.
Every year, it’s “this is the year Brandon Belt breaks out and lives up to his potential.”
It’s been 11 years. Time to cut him loose.
Yep – he’s solid but that’s a position that can be filled by anyone and it’s time for him to get a change of scenery. He’s also not going to get less injury-prone as he gets older.
@Curly Overpay? He’s been the 2nd best SS in all of baseball this year. Baez will get more than that and he’s terrible. If anything it’s a bargain.
this is good to see. the SS will be too expensive and i know they would rather use that money for Kris Bryant, who fits their style. it works out they got to do a trial with Bryant because of the trade, i did not see that coming but for sure Bryant will be where they spend most of their money in the offseason.
As a Dodger fan, I can only hope and dream that the Giants sign Bryant to a big deal!
Don’t forget about Gausman. He’ll cost as much as Bryant per season most likely.
Very risky,,,,1 good year in his career offensively and he will only get worse defensively at 35, 36.
He’s had more than one good offensive season hence a silver slugger award, also tweaked his hitting a little since Kapler and his coaching staff have been there and it seems to have worked over the last two seasons. His defense has also been better this year than it has been the last couple seasons… it’s also just a bridge contract until Luciano is ready
He won it by default that year and it was 7 years ago….782 OPS is pretty meh
It’s not meh for a SS that has been playing gold glove defense for the last decade
Anyone who consistently watches the Giants knows that Crawford is their MVP thgis season, and quite possibly the league MVP. His glove has always been magical and his bat (surprisingly much better than originally thought). This extension is absolutely perfect for both the player and the team, and I am ecstatic to see that Farhan got it done before the off season. As others above have mentioned Craw is the perfect bridge to Luciano, even if Brandon’s hitting tails off a bit. The Giants will surely pickup Buster’s option and need to retain Bryant, Gausman and DeSclafani. Maybe even Wood. Plus add another top of the rotation pitcher.
That is just stupid.
This means he will have once again drop in production soon after.
He will “cycle off” whatever he’s on and breathe a sigh of relief he didn’t get caught, as the bag has been secured. His numbers will crater.
In your dreams. But back to reality: your A’s certainly take a backseat to no team when it comes to juicing their players….. Laureano for 80 days, Montas for 80 days, etc…. Steroid abuse is in this franchise’s DNA.
The A stands fro Anavar
Imagine an A’s fan suggesting other teams are juicing. Man, that’s rich.
You have no idea how steroids work, dude.
No brainer, the guy is solid
Happy he’s staying, but I preferred Posey to get this type of extension. Who knows, maybe they pick up the club option on him.
They’re not mutually exclusive
Payroll wise though I think it would’ve been more valuable to prioritize your funds on Posey considering the SS market this offseason. Agreed though, hopefully both get signed. Belt’s injury history probably means he walks, Bryant being represented by Boras makes him a wild card to resign.
Posey isn’t going anywhere.his option will either be picked up or reworked into a 2 year deal. The fact they did this with Crawford makes that a certainty.
Posey will have his option picked up
I agree. SF will then let Belt walk and move Posey to 1B which might extend his career with the Giants depending on how he fares next year.
Posey will likely work out an extension too. Somewhere less than picking up his option but for 2 years.
@baseball 1600 they still have another 150 million to potentially spend lol. I think they can retain Gerald’s services.
I knew he would be extended
an added benefit to this is that it keeps the Gs out of crazy competition for another one of the SSs on the market, none of whom is a sure bet to have a better season that Craw is having this year. the focus will be on Bryant and the big decision will be if the Gs think he is worth his asking price
Best shortstop in SF history, probably in franchise history (Travis Jackson, Dick Bartell).
He is still the best fielding shortstop in the National League and has hit better than Baez, Seager, Correa, Story, Lindor etc.. the past two seasons.
So to every other team in baseball, good luck with your 200 to 350 million dollar contracts with those other guys.
Dansby Swanson has had a heck of a run with the glove the last 2 years and should absolutely win a gold glove this year.
He’s good but Crawfords defensive metrics are better. Specifically runs saved. Swanson has more startstho. Toss up?
stole a GG a few years ago from Galvis imo
SF history? You mean the one with the first 52 years with no rings despite acting like you are better than the A’s, who won 4 in their first 21?
Not a great history, but then again, the Giants have plaques of anyone outside their stadium, like Shawn Estes lol
bro chill
Damn bro chill haha. I was born in 1992 in the Bay Area and have never seen the Athletics win squat. I root hard for them as my second favorite team, but cmon man, at a certain point history is far enough in the rear view mirror that it isn’t relevant in conversations like this one. The A’s and giants are both having great years, don’t act like the A’s have been anything special in decades.
The last time the A’s won a World Series the Berlin Wall was still up.
Bridge until Luciano is ready. This is a solid signing for the Giants.
32 million, 2 years of Brandon Crawford. Or hundreds of millions and multiple years for another shortstop.
Glad Crawford is staying, I was confident he wouldn’t want to play for any other ball club.
Everything Zaidi touches seems to turn to gold so I think we should wait and see before criticizing. Two years is not bad at all even if they did potentially overpay a little.
Name one thing that is gold? The man has no titles? You know the old ones don’t carry over right? Zaidi is a scammer and the hype about him is completely unwarranted. Beane is destroying him this year. What a joke you actually think Farhan, a guy Billy taught everything he knows, is better than the actual King of the Bay GMs, Billy Beane.
I like the A’s.
But how many titles does Billy Beane have?
If you want to talk about King of the Bay GM’s. There’s a guy still employed by the Giants in the front office in some advisory capacity that used to be in charge who has 3 titles.
Just off the top of my head without looking at their roster Gausman, Wade, Yaz, Desclafani seemed to be pretty amazing pickups for nothing…. Zaidi steal your wife or something lol? What a weird take this is lmao.
I think A’sfaninUK is that Padres fan (Pad4life or something) that has multiple accounts and upvotes his own posts. This might be a new one.
Damn, A’sfaninUK is a steaming pile of a garbage human. Why are you so mad? Too many warm lagers with your chips and mayonnaise? Bad teeth?
“Beane is destroying him this year”
The A’s literally have a worse record than the Giants and currently have a losing record against them.
That’s a lot of trash talk for a fan of a team who’s holding onto a Wild Card spot by 2 games toward a team who has their division led by 5, a division including a team that’s went to 3 of the last 4 World Series and has won the division every season since 2013.
It sounds like a win-win to me. The player avoids a qualifying offer and the team doesn’t have to worry about not having a shortstop.
Amazing move…… Best shortstop in baseball arrives in two years…Marco Luciano
Lol
a ton of money will be off the books this coming off season. Giants are going to be in the FA hunt for sure. After all, they did try going after Stanton and Harper..
Here’s 32 million that will be on the books
Stanton? are you high? You do realize he’ll have to play the OF right?
The Giants reportedly made an offer for Stanton of Beede, Ramos, Christian arroyo , & Chris Shaw. Who knows if it was real.
Giants definitely met with Harper when he was a FA
They did not offer Ramos. It’s was Shaw, Beede, and Panik.
Curly, That’s not what SKx1 was saying. He (or she) is simply saying that the Giants are willing to spend money, NOT that they’re looking to go after Stanton or Harper.
This is a perfect bridge for Luciano. On top of that they’re locking up a fan favorite that helped the Giants win 2 WS. I personally love this move
Who doesn’t wanna see career players with their one team?
i like seeing guys go elsewhere
Why?
Guessing Posey is gonna get extended next
Wow! It was less than 24 months ago that they would have done just about anything to dump his contract, now they re-up him for 2 more seasons at an even slightly higher rate. I guess his poor 2018/2019 performance has already been forgotten…. I mean, I get it. He’s having arguably his best ever season, certainly his best since 2016. It’s just interesting how his career has gone over the last several seasons.
His decline was almost in line with the giants decline as a franchise. His contract has never been an albatross it was rather fairly priced to begin with, his defense has always been his calling card but he’s been a capable clutch hitter over his career. They gave out comparable contracts to just about all of the core position players from the World Series days. I think topping out at 5×90 with Pence and Samardjzia, belt and Crawford were a little less if I recall correctly. Whatever adjustments he’s made over the last few seasons with the new regime you can see his ability and the clubs overall abilities starting to climb again. Maybe his weaker offense was just a product of his environment because let’s face it there were no offensive standouts on the giants for 4 seasons prior to 2020.
We had terrible coaches back then, it’s no coincidence that Belt Crawford and Posey have all simultaneously had late career resurgences. Kapler brought in guys who know how to coach
Excellent move by the Giants. Similar to what the Dodgers did this past winter with Justin Turner. Baseball-wise, It allows them to continue building the winning culture they’ve recreated this season. It’s also sound economics as the team’s return in the investment will likely be more worthwhile than giving a megadeal to one of the big-name FA shortstops. Those guys are good players; just not worth 6-8 year deals for insane. I feel the Mets screwed up royally on the Lindor deal. All-star level player, but he doesn’t hit enough for the dollars spent. He’s getting elite hitter money, which is not the player he is.
It’ll be interesting to see what Baez, Correa, Seager, Semien and Story get this winter. With the Dodgers acquiring Trea Turner and the Giants re-upping Crawford, that’s two fewer teams competing for their services. Smart teams play it smart. Other teams tend to spend stupid money.
Two of the biggest spending teams at that! Out of the mix for shortstops.
Dodgers out of the mix? NOBODY expected them to get Max AND Trea…. Cant rule anything out with Friedman behind the wheel
Oh for sure I in no way shape or form think they are out on upgrading their roster, just more in like with cey hey comment about how it gives them the ability to use those resources elsewhere while likely trying to workout an extension with turner long term since he’s the better option out of all of the shortstops IMO. Power move for sure by the Dodgers though not just for this season but next.
Yep. It gives them enough wiggle room to make upgrades in other areas, as opposed to teams who need several upgrades and spend it all on one or two players As a baseball fan, I’m fascinated by how teams have different strategies for building their teams. Of course, Zaidi was instrumental in helping build the current Dodgers, as was Kapler as farm director. Zaidi hiring Kapler spoke volumes to me. He knew what he was getting, as opposed to the “Fire Gabe” fans in Philly who were only looking at wins and losses. I live in the Philly area and felt Kapler deserved more time. Learning pains in Philly that are paying dividends with the Giants. Kapler seems to be an excellent communicator with his veterans, while also having a proven track record working with young players. I’m, imaging the Giants’ clubhouse to be similar to the positive things we hear about the Dodgers clubhouse, with veteran players setting a tone that makes it easier for young guys to learn the Giants way. As a Dodger fan, I have no issues with the Giants being good. As a baseball fan, I wish more teams had a real plan as opposed to haphazardly changing directions every couple of years. Some of this stuff makes me want to cry. I’m sure you can think of examples.
I was really hesitant because publicity on Kapler specifically was not great and honestly he was replacing Bochy and that was never going to be easy for anyone to do in SF. I am very happy to admit that I was completely wrong and aside from some bullpen management which I believe to be more front office statistics decision than his own.
He’s learned a lot it seems like tonight he didn’t hesitate to pull McGee which was going to cost us the game, instead he hooked him and brought in littel and viola strikeout game over. The news of him and Zaidi knowledge about the incident involving some la players during spring training bothered me especially coupled with the exaggerated Larry Baer incident, but so far so good honestly I can only hope things continue on the up and up and we have many post seasons to look forward to as grateful SF fans.
Considering they will likely pay posey and probably gausman I think it’s near 100% certain that Bryant will be a retinal ( he was always probably a rental anyways) ! They will bow out of the bidding quickly for sure
Are you sure? The Giants don’t have a lot of money tied up going forward. Even if they extend Posey and Gausman, still plenty of available money to keep Bryant and add more.
As a Dodger fan, the Giants are in a great position for right now and the near future with Zaidi at the helm and a lot of payroll flexibility.
I don’t see giants getting into a bidding war with Phillies and Mets for him ! Boras works for him like all other players but guys who retain him clearly are making a choice to go for the most money possible if they are hitting free agency! Giants also only have Webb signed for their rotation they have four spots to fill and beede isn’t filling any of them! Giants are a rich team but they won’t go way past the cbt
While players generally take the highest offer, it might not be a bidding war, per se, for Bryant. As a ballplayer, he gets a close-up look at the Giants for a couple of months and what they are building. Commitment to winning, clubhouse culture, the city itself, etc. As someone who watches the Mets and Phillies quite a bit, I don’t feel those situations are as conducive to winning as being in San Francisco. I have reasons why I think that but need to start keeping my responses shorter. The Giants have built this systematically and are cruising toward 100 wins with an apparently good group of guys. There’s a lot to be said for staying put if you’re in the right situation. In all likelihood, Mookie Betts would have gotten more dollars had he tested free agency, but he liked where he was even though he hadn’t played a single regular-season game for the Dodgers.
Maybe , giants will try. To sign him for sure just think they will have limits to how far they are willing to go
It’s also Crawford’s 2nd contract, he already had a big payday (As if 32 mill is peanuts) and has like 3 kids and a wife he doesn’t have to uproot now. It’s a win win
I think Crawford and I both have 4 kids that how I remembered but I could be wrong there’s a lot of little giants on this team haha!
Noel1982,” near 100% certain that Bryant will be a retina”l, I guess that means the Giants have their eye on Bryant.
No they payed a rental trade price for a guy under contract for two more months ! They didn’t trade for him as a guy they have to keep at all cost lol ! If he wants to work with them to make it happen thats one thing ! If it’s highest bidder doubt it will be farhan
Nothing like messing up a good typo. Noel1982,” near 100% certain that Bryant will be a retinal,” I guess that means the Giants have their eye on Bryant.
I just hate it when I do that
It could have been worse. At least you didn’t say he was rectal. Some players are just a pain in the butt.
They have an eye on him as a cornea outfielder
@Cey, love it man! Even though I had a good typo I blew, your post cheered me up! Long live MLBTR & good health to you my friend.
ltully789, good one my man! Keep a lid on it
I’m glad we could all patch things up. The worst thing we could is not see our humor
Noel1982:
For sure? There’s nothing sure about it. The Giants are one of the wealthiest teams in MLB. If Zaidi wants to re-sign Bryant, and I think he will, seeing as how Bryant is the type player Zaidi likes, then he’ll go after him.
Money will not prevent them from doing that. Only way Bryant goes elsewhere, if Zaidi wants him, is if wants to go somewhere else, or some other team seriously overpays.
Some team ( Mets ) are gonna seriously overpay and give him close to Lindor money
I also would mention that Bryant told his wife, just before the deadline, that he knew he was going to be traded, and hoped it would be to SF. He just might turn down an overpay, for a fair salary, to stay in a place he likes, and where he feels like he fits in. Apparently the Giants have a good clubhouse and players like the team culture.
But wherever he signs, I think it’s foolish to rule out any viable landing spot, let alone categorically state that any team, with deep pockets, will bow out on the bidding.
He’s a Boras client. He signs with the highest bidder. And you can completely forget about him foregoing the open market entirely.
yea, because players have no say in where and when they sign. i think people seem to forget that the agents work for the players and not the other way around.
yea, because there isn’t an overarching trend of Boras clients chasing every last dollar in FA
Carlos Gonzalez, Jered Weaver, Carlos Gomez, Elvis Andrus, Steven Strasburg, Jose Altuve, Xander Bogaerts. That’s just a sampling of the Scott Boras clients who have foregone the open market to sign extensions with their teams.
It’s such a lazy take.
Any of those guys do that with a new team they where just traded to as rentals are where those guys who wanted to stat with their original teams? Or what about all the boras clients who didn’t re-sign before free agent or give any kind of home town discount ?
The fact is the price cost to make Bryant just a two month rental was so low it made it a non brainer ! They didn’t make the trade with the idea to sign him at all cost!
For the same price of Bryant in free agency giants or any team could sign both seimen and marte for example and end up better off ! Each of them alone is close to Bryant by themselves they just don’t have the name
“Or what about all the boras clients who didn’t re-sign before free agent or give any kind of home town discount”
It’s almost as if Scott Boras works out contracts within the confines of what his clients desire.
I think we call that being a sports agent.
But saying “Boras clients never signs extensions” or “Boras clients go to the highest bidder” is a pathetically bad and lazy take. It takes a 12-second Google search to confirm that it’s not true.
Well what reason does anyone have to believe Bryant has any intention to just work out a deal with the giants .? Anything he said was just a generic answer that’s non binding ! He’s so close to free agency and has been looking forward to it by all accounts! If one wants to believe just bc boras client Jonathan schoop most recently passed up free agency to stay with his current team that Bryant might do the same lol!
Fact is if Mets offer the most he will be a met ! If Phillies offer the most he will be a Phillie ditto for dodgers angels Padres and yes giants ! This is gonna 100% be the case of highest bidder ! To be honest giants might have had the highest bid for Harper and didn’t get him ! Maybe there is something to star batters not wanting to be there long term
“If one wants to believe just bc boras client Jonathan schoop most recently passed up free agency to stay with his current team that Bryant might do the same lol!”
Goodness, dude. If you’re going to condescend, at least show us you can handle basic middle school reading comprehension. Because that’s not even remotely what I said.
I haven’t once suggested that Kris Bryant will forgo free agency by extending his contract or even that he’ll re-sign. I simply pointed out that claiming that Boras clients don’t sign extensions is beyond lazy.
You’re so passionate about your argument that you can’t even comprehend what people are saying. Slow down, chill out, and move along.
Maybe go upstairs and grab breakfast. I hear mom made pancakes. With chocolate chips!
@JohnJasoJingleHeimerSchmidt I never said Boras clients don’t sign extensions. Just that when they do, it is generally not a “team friendly extension.” Also, as the other guy said, most of the guys you named had spent their entire careers with just one team whereas Bryant was just traded to SF after spending his entire career with the Cubs. He didn’t come all this way just to forego the open market. And since he was traded, he won’t even have to worry about the QO in free agency.
You make some good points, but not sure how you can conclude that Bryant “didn’t come all this way just to forego the open market.” Mookie Betts decided to forego the open market, and historically so did Hunter Pence.
Bryant said he hoped, when he was traded, that it would be to SF If Bryant really likes being on the Giants, and they offer a fair market contract, he just might forego that free-agency. Not saying he will, but it’s clearly not any kind of given that he’ll go to free-agency.
Mookie betts got 365 million if giants want to offer Bryant 250 million or so yeah he might forego free agency
Hunter pence played a year and a half with giants and more importantly won a World Series with giants the first year also met his wife in the Bay Area ! If Bryant wins a World Series there maybe that entices him to take a lil less to stay
Jim, your exact statement was: “He’s a Boras client. He signs with the highest bidder”
That’s literally not true in every case. We also don’t know who the “highest bidders” are. Are you certain a Boras client hasn’t left money on the table to go somewhere he prefers?
Exactly. The Giants can afford to offer Bryant whatever it takes to re-sign him, if they want. That’s been my point all along. You can’t categorically state that the Giants will quickly be out of Bryant’s market.
Yeah, Pence won a WS title with the Giants, but he also re-signed 2 days before he could become a FA after the Giants finished in 3rd place.
And there’s a similarity between Pence and Bryant. Bryant might not win a WS title, but he is part of a winning team, currently with the best record in baseball, that odds say will go to the PS. There is a lot of goodwill being built between Bryant and the Giants.
It will play out however it’s supposed to I fully expect desperate buying from both Phillies and Mets esp if they both gag the nl East to the acuna less braves, giants I can’t see ( and wisely ar that ) staying in the bidding to long if those teams bid like crazy they can if they want but probably won’t ! They will pivot to signing one or two guys all giants fans will be more then ok with !
Also don’t get the idea not signing him would even be a bad thing the cost to rent him was so comically low it was a no brainer
I think you have a misconception about how teams bid on FAs. It isn’t like an auction where people just want an item no matter what, and continue to bid until they get it. Every team will have a budget, and dollar/year numbers for every FA guy they’re interested in. Owners will need to approve anything beyond that budget number, but teams just don’t go very far beyond what they think a player is worth.
The Phillies just aren’t going to hand out another 10 year/$300m contract. And the Mets will be entering the first year of a 10 year/$341m contract for Lindor.
I just don’t see a team as wealthy as the Giants, with plenty of money to spend, being out-bid by either of those teams given their payrolls.
Maybe you don’t want to see it but it’s definitely gonna be in play I don’t know the Mets and Phillies exact payrolls but I don’t think either is that close to the cbt and don’t think even if they where close they would care! One team has a impetuous new owner the other just hired a win now impetuous gm who has a close friend of Bryant in Harper who likely wants him on the Phillies !
You can say giants are his only option to feel better about the chances to keep him but it’s disingenuous Very disingenuous
Again to be clear there is no salary cap and neither of those teams are gonna be scared of a luxury tax
And lastly that’s just three teams giants want to keep him and Phillies and Mets want to spend money but I don’t think it’s down to just those teams fully expect many if not all of Yankees , Red Sox, white Sox, Mariners, nationals and even dodgers to explore signing him ! It’s gonna be a goldmine for Bryant and boras may the highest bidder win
@JohnJasoJingleHeimerSchmidt Can you name a single documented case of a Boras client leaving money on the table?
@tad2b13 Bryant has like a quarter of the regular season left to play. Betts had a (albeit shortened) full season to play. Bryant also can’t receive a QO whereas Betts and Pence were both locks to receive QO’s. On top of that, Bryant is a Boras client while the other two are not. If he was going to sign an extension at all, it would have been with the Cubs. It is very much a given that Bryant is going to free agency. That’s why he didn’t cost the Giants anything of value.
The main point that I must emphasize is that trading for Bryant did not have the future in mind. It had 2021 in mind, but the Giants are probably going to the WS this year so they can do that.
It’s definitely happened bc they are right boras works for the players and not the other way around just not sure what star clients of his ever got this close to free agency then just decided to bypass a bidding war to take a sweetheart or hometown discount with the incumbent team ! It can’t be more then one or two total if any
@Noel1982 Just because Boras works for the players and not the other way around doesn’t mean he doesn’t influence their decisions. These guys are betting the house on Bryant going against the established track record of players represented by Scott Boras with a team that he was not a member of one month ago and that can’t even QO him.
I fully agree this idea might cut the giants a sweetheart deal or some kind of hometown discount seems absurd ! If they want to make the highest bid they are capable but that’s what it’s going to take and I am dubious they will and agree with them if they don’t! Bryant is good gut his Name outweighs his actual performance! 5 years 150 million won’t be enough but it’s also way more then what he’s actually worth
I CALL bS.
Scott Boras handed Al Avila, Al Avila’s butt in that signing.
He got high value at 7Mil with an opt out and guarantee second year of 7Mil.
If player excels, he has an opt out, if he stinks, he is guaranteed 7Mil.
Scott handed Al his butt.
jimthegoat:
First of all Betts signed the extension before he had payed a single game with the Dodgers. So Bryant will have played a lot more with the Giants than Betts did with the Dodgers.
I think you’re over-estimating the importance of Boras. If Bryant wants to be a certain place, and gets fair market value, he isn’t going to go elsewhere for a few million dollars more.
That Bryant didn’t cost a lot in prospects has nothing to do with whether he goes to free-agency or not. The trading team does get a better return if the guys signs an extension with his new team. The cost is cost, and that’s irrelevant to what happens later.
The cost to rent him means it’s not big deal if he does walk and if you want to go back to betts the dodgers gave him 365 million forget that for Bryant if giants want to give him 265 million then yes he probably stays but there is no hometown discount ! It’s not happening
The Phillies 2022 payroll sits at second highest, behind SD, at just under $154M. The Mets at just over $112.5M. The Giants at $82.25M.
Maybe the Phils and Mets don’t care if they exceed the CBT threshold, but neither do the Giants. They have done so in the past. In fact, SF has paid $8.8M in tax while the Mets have paid almost $1.138m, and Philly has yet to pay a cent.
People always talk about so-and-so’s friend so he’s going to sign with some team, and that usually turns out to be a non-factor. Tons of people had Trout going home to Philly. How’d work out?
“You can say giants are his only option to feel better about the chances to keep him but it’s disingenuous ”
What does that mean? It doesn’t sound close to anything I said. I wrote that Bryant’s wish was to be traded to SF. That’s only one thing in their favor, amid a plethora of other factors.
I’ve never said Bryant will sign with the Giants. If I were betting on where Bryant goes, I’d bet the field, not one specific team. But, my whole point in responding to you was your statement that the Giants WOULD bow out early from the bidding Bryant. And I think that’s wrong.
If giants are like dodgers and their executive was part of building that then they have a set number on players they offer then pivot to the next option which is wise ! I am sure giants will make Bryant what they feel is a very fair offer that’s up to him to take or not ! I don’t believe they will get into a back and forth negotiation with Bryant and his agent and that’s a smart thing !
Tell me where you got your crystal ball. How can you KNOW things that nobody else knows, like that the Giants WILL bow out early for the bidding on Bryant, And that the Giants giving Bryant $265M is “not happening”? I’d love to be able to see the future like you apparently can.
And, of course he’s not giving a hometown discount. Who say he was? But that goes for all 30 teams, not just the Giants.
“@JohnJasoJingleHeimerSchmidt Can you name a single documented case of a Boras client leaving money on the table?”
I never said they did. I asked you if you were certain that Boras clients only always go to the highest bidder. YOU made the claim. YOU get to back it up.
(Based on previous conversations with you, we both know you won’t.)
Based on the fact that many, many Boras clients signed extensions with their teams, it’s a pretty safe bet to say they likely left money on the table, is it not?
@tad2b13:
Neither of these two are willing to have an honest conversation. Either that or they are not capable of doing so.
I’m a little surprised you’re still trying with them.
I can argue you both don’t like or want to hear the idea that giants just might have traded for Bryant as a pure rental , the cost of canairo and killian was so low ( two guys that would be exposed to the rule 5 draft ) it was a no brainer !
Also instead of taking me saying giants having limits to what they will do to sign Bryant as not accusing them of being cheap or incapable but rather smart !
The smart teams set what they think is a fair price on players and don’t get in bidding wars be it free agency or trades ! They just pivot to the next good option !
Yeah, I’m a little stupid stubborn, I guess.. And I accused someone else of beating a dead horse. Normally I have other things I have to do, and don’t waste this amount time posting, but I’m laid up with cranky lower back. Otherwise I’d be finishing the half-painted ceiling in the TV room.
Noel, are you incapable of understanding simple arguments? I’m not insulting you, but you seem to be so passionate about this that you’re not spending any time comprehending what’s being said.
Yes, the Giants acquired Kris Bryant knowing full well he could walk as a free agent in November.
The point being made was that the Giants could, if they want, resign Kris Bryant. They could even offer him an extension (and his agent would be willing to let him consider it, as he’s done for other clients).
I didn’t think this would be that difficult for you to comprehend, but here. we are.
Give it a rest, kid.
One more time, and I’m out, on the good advice of @JohnJasoJingleHeimerSchmidt.
At this point in time Bryant is a rental. Whether he is re-signed by the Giants or not is totally irrelevant. The prospect cost was for a rental. The cost would not have been any higher even if the intent was, and the Giants were, to sign Bryant to a long term deal. The trading team doesn’t get extra value for a guy they were going to lose no matter what.
Lol, you child. Bryant WILL be a free agent. Just you wait and see.
Wow, bold, bold take there Jimthegoat.
What’s next? Are you going to predict the Diamondbacks finish last in their division? Such a wild gamblin’ man that you are!
Not trying to be bold or a “wild gamblin’ man.” Just being realistic. Bryant didn’t come all this way and file a grievance to be made a free agent a year earlier just to sign an extension.
And I thought you said you were done…?
“Just you wait and see”
You’re acting like anyone here will be surprised if Kris Bryant decides to try out free agency. We won’t. You’re not impressive or smart for telling us all what we already know: Kris Bryant will be a free agent come this winter.
The point of this conversation, since you’re too much of a mongoloid to comprehend, is that Kris Bryant COULD sign an extension. That’s all it was. You act like there’s zero chance, and your rationale being that Boras is his agent was monumentally lazy, which from my interactions with you, is par for the course.
Bryant will most likely be a free agent without signing an extension.
Can we all make sure that your prediction regarding how “little value” the Giants would get with Kevin Gausman last winter was a colossal swing & miss? (Yes, we know you’re MikeEmbleton & JDGoat & a bunch of other usernames here) It’s funny because you were SO sure of yourself that Gausman wouldn’t return.
But now, finally, THIS TIME dammit, you’re gonna be correct. You just know it!
Not sure who Mike Embleton or JDGoat are or how it is relevant here. But ad hominem attack like that and your “mongoloid” comment are the calling card of someone who is losing an argument. So is it fair to conclude that you realize that you are wrong?
Kevin Gausman would not have gotten a one-year deal with the same dollar figure as the QO from someone else last offseason had SF not extended it and the fact that he made good on it this year doesn’t change that. And the Giants haven’t extended him yet either.
Not JUST because he’s a Boras client. Because he’s a perennial All Star Boras client who is only 2 months out who filed a grievance to try and become a FA earlier who is with a team he had never been a member of one month ago.
Lastly, what happened to you being done here?
I got you here!
I type here now guaranteeing kris Bryant will 100% absolutely not be signing no contract extension with the giants , he’s allowed to do so if he wanted but he won’t choose to ! If he signs with giants it will be only after talking to all other interested teams! Don’t expect a decision from him until late Jan early feb assuming they even get a cba deal done in time
Oh. And I forgot to mention that the Giants aren’t allowed to QO Bryant which means he doesn’t have to worry about the draft pick weighing his value down.
Question is, how many years/$ will Zaidi offer Kris Bryant?
I predict giants bow out of the bidding quickly and replace him with someone like marte ! Remember for them Bryant is more a outfielder so it works
Longoria is only the books for 2022, everyone knows they’re just gonna pay the $5m buyout for 2023.
They also have to sign four starting pitchers and whatever they do with posey ! No way are they going to bid the highest on Bryant
The Giants so far have been more interested in reclamation projects. Not that they wouldn’t go after a premium starter on the market. But I think they’re confident in their belief that they can fix a pitcher they target. You should hear Gausman talk about their “pitching lab”. They start with simple things like telling a guy to throw more of his good pitches. But then it’s pitch sequencing and then sometimes they fix mechanics.
They do some similar tinkering with hitters. For example with Crawford they lowered his bat and hands (he used to keep the bat behind his head and hands up) in his batting stance and they opened up his stance so he has better timing using front foot movement. But more than anything they get their guys to become disciplined and specific about pitch selection; looking for a specific pitch to do damage. You can listen to guys like Lamonte Wade Jr. (interviewed last night) about how much he and team emphasizes studying for their upcoming at bats.
How much did they pay on starting pitchers this year though? They have webb and will likely try to bring Gausman back. Why would you assume they would take a different route with the other spots than the bargain hunting buy low path they went this year ?
may not be the highest bidder on Bryant, but they might only need to be a high bidder to get him to commit. they can pick up Posey, sign 4 pitchers including Gausman, and still bid up to $40M for Bryant. I think most would argue that KB is not worth more than $25M, so it will be interesting to see how far the Gs will go with him
Noel1982:
You seem to think the Mets and Phillies are set with their SPs, and are completely happy with their teams hitting and defense. The Phillies payroll for 2022 is about $70M more than the Giants. The Giants have exceeded the CBT threshold in the past, and I don’t think they would hesitate to do it again for a guy like Bryant.
I mean, sure he could go elsewhere, but your rationale for them bowing out of the bidding early is way off base.
Yes they did. No crowds, Covid restrictions etc
Might of only been 60 games, but it had some challenges.
FAs got about $8M per WAR last year. Bryant’s camp will argue he projects at 4 WAR. Likely he is closer to 3. So I would guess AAV of $28 M. 5 years maybe option for 6.
Seems like a reach but good for Crawford
No Brainer after a great year and that’s a huge discount compared to what we are going to see shortstops get in free agency this year
There are so many free agent shortstops, this seems unnecessary.
All of those SS will likely command a MUCH higher AAV and far longer contract. They have Luciano developing in the system and Crawford doesn’t block him three years from now.
@Oxford yeah they’re all having worse years than Crawford and will make more money (in AAV) next year. So, I think it was just a sound baseball decision.
It’s nice to see teams lock up career players to keep them where they should be. Even when the production doesn’t match the contract, Crawford should be a Giant
Smart move while Luciano develops into their SS of the future. It would be cool to see them sign SF native Marcus Semien for 2B next season, but I can see Toronto trying to extend him.
Next step, pick up Posey’s 19 mil net option. Next season he can catch 3 days a week and play first base 3 days a week and Bart can get mentored by the best..
Belt is still outstanding (172 wRC+ last year, 141 wRC+ this year) but is hurt way too much.
This is almost as exciting as the standings to me as a giants fan. It was inevitable I felt, but so much joy has now come over me locking up craw for 2 more seasons. Great dad, great giant, great all around! I would absolutely love to see Belt back as well but if I had to pick two Craw and Posey would be them!
A lot of negative responses to this signing that I think are simply unfounded. His annual salary is less than the cost of a QO yet I somehow think nobody would think extending Crawford that would be a bad idea.
For one thing, Crawford has a good floor for producing WAR because of his glove. I read above one poster is predicting his glove to fail but he has put up 7 DRS already so it seems unlikely he’s going to just fall apart next year.
I find it unlikely that he reproduces this seasons value with the bat either but then he doesn’t have to to justify just $16 million a year.
His bat finding a level he NEVER had should make you conscious that the glove could just as easily find levels that could shock you….
Of course it could. Anyone could completely fall apart. As it is, I said he doesn’t have to be as productive as this season to justify just $16 million annually.
Continuity is important for winning teams. Even if Crawford’s offense takes a dip, the Giants have the payroll flexibility to offset it both now and in the future. Coming on the heels of Chris Davis’ retirement, we should keep in mind that teams need to avoid those kinds of megadeals as much as they can. It’s not unreasonable to think Davis’ contract-plus performance has been a gamechanger of sorts throughout the game. Why do that to your team when you don’t have to?
His bat can fall off a lot and he can still be worth 16mil next year based on the going rate for wins
This was a no brainer. The FA SSs would all cost at least as much on a per year basis but would have required more years (and given Tatis is not among them, Craw is definitely no slouch in the group). Only other real SS in the system who could have bridged to Luciano is Dubon and, given the development of this team, going to Dubon for the next two years would be a big mistake. As for how it will affect other signings, not much. Giants are not a low budget team, far from it, they will be at the top of budget as long as the budget is spent on wise contracts. Posey will likely work out an extension that brings her per year cost down but has him retire as a Giant and a bridge to Bart (or other internal option). And if Zaidi was willing to go big for Harper when he was saddled with big contracts, he will certainly go after Bryant given the reduced cost burden. The only one unlikely to be seen next year is Belt. Many good left handed outfield options and Wade plays decent first base so…
“Only other real SS in the system who could have bridged to Luciano is Dubon and, given the development of this team, going to Dubon for the next two years would be a big mistake.”
I think Thairo Estrada is a better option than Dubonhead. He played very well while Crawford was out. I’d have been okay with Estrada as an option in Crawford’s place next year. But Crawford’s production is just so much better than a productive bench player (I think Estrada could start for some teams) like Estrada.
As a Dodgers fan I’m glad he signed for 2 years that just means Corey Seager won’t sign with them this off season
as a giants fan I’m happy we don’t have to pay Corey Seager an inevitable albatross contract
I doubt the Giants would have that much interest in Seager, even if they hadn’t signed Crawford., at least not at SS. He’s a great hitter, but can’t touch Crawford with the glove. Seager would be much better at 3B than SS.
Roughly speaking in terms of WAR, players are paid about $9M per win above replacement. Crawford’s current WAR for 2021 is 3.8. So if Crawford was a youngster with upside he’d be getting $35M+ a year or 6-10 years. But he’s 34. He’s only getting $16M per year…because he’s old. It seems like a very fair contract to me….even if he regresses to half of his current level Crawford is worth it. As they say, there are no bad one year contracts. 2 year contracts aren’t that bad either.
Can we just give Zaidi the Exec of the Year now, and forget about it? Remember 2 years ago when we all figured it would take him 5 years to rebuild this terrible team loaded with bloated contracts?
Crawford’s probably going to slow a bit, but so much of defense is just fundamental play, which he excels at. A good move no matter how you slice it.
(And frankly. even it’s a bit of an overpay, the Giant have a LOT of money).
a little much given the saturation of the SS market, but wolnt be an albatross and the Giants clearly like the work that he provides. i daresay this was inevitable.
Awesome, a local kid who has been a lifelong Giants fan (seen a cool pic of him at Giants games as a kid). Great character, durable, and clutch. Best SS defensively the Giants have ever had, his offense has had its moments, but this year his offense has been spectacular, Team MVP for 2021. Congratulations to the Giants for doing the right thing, and Brandon for his extended contract.
I’m from the Bay. Oakland A’s are always competing but reminds me of the dodgers before 2020 WS* always good but don’t go far in playoffs. Would love to see Bay Area WS! Giants have won most of their series against all teams! No fluke! Giants are also winning the bay bridge series so far! Just be healthy!
Have you checked the MLB record book lately? There is no asterisk after the 2020 championship. The asterisk is the product of trolls who don’t understand the value of a team that is consistently excellent.
By the way, the Dodgers have gone to three World Series in four years. They have been going plenty far in the post-season. Winning the championship at the end of the season isn’t the only thing that defines success. As a Dodger fan, I’m pleased as can be that every game the past nine years has been meaningful. In no way does falling short in October detract from all that winning. Winning the World Series is not why I became a fan. It’s more special than that. My first Dodger team in 1968 was lousy.
Goes for NHL and nba titles won in 2020 ! Not all fans respect them but the nhl and nba don’t care they still count them and especially the lightning and lakers organizations and fans don’t care who respects those titles they aren’t giving them back ! It’s better to have bubble titles then nothing for sure
Fans don’t have an official say. It doesn’t matter what a troll thinks.
60 games against only your division is an extended spring training.
And yeah, fans may not have an “official say”, but you really can’t argue that 2020 was a real season.
Giants fan here, and the Dodgers were clearly the best team in 2020 and I don’t think of their championship as in any way sullied. They earned it.
yep Dodgers were the best 60 game season team in the history of baseball.
now they are looking at the Wild Card against the Padres in a normal 162 game season….forcing them to use Buehler
Another Giants fan here, and I agree, the Dodgers 2020 title was legitimate. Every team had the same shot. It wasn’t any easier for the Dodgers to survive an expanded playoff field than for any other team.
Everybody always says, get to the playoffs and anything can happen. The Dodgers had to survive more of those anything can happen scenarios than any team ever.
If people can’t see that the Dodgers were clearly the best team in 2020, they’re either lying to themselves, or they’re too bitter to admit reality. I think anyone claiming it’s not a true WS title is just sour grapes. And I rooted against them every single series.
“…the Dodgers were clearly the best team in 2020.” What’s your point?
The “best team” doesn’t always win the WS. Just ask the 2004 Cards, 1988 A’s, 2001 Mariners, 1970 Orioles, etc.
It’s simple math. 60 is not 162. It’s not even half. A lot of things would have happened in those 102 games.
Take a look at the standings for any previous season after 60 games. The Dodgers would have a few less division titles.
LA won a sprint in 2020. All the other seasons in history were marathons. And the fact that they gave out Cy Young and Batting Champion awards is laughable.
Tony Gwynn would have hit .400 at least 3 times if he ever played a 60 game season. Would you have called that legitimate? I doubt it.
Ooops… I meant the 1969 Orioles. Also 1954 Indians, 1906 Cubs, 1946 Red Sox, 1931 A’s, 1960 Yankees.
My goodness, mark. What did you get your doctorate in, Moronics?
@Steve I’m also a Giants fan. The Dodgers definitely won a legitimate championship. They were going to make the playoffs regardless of the number of regular season games, and then they made it through an even deeper field of teams. To say they never go deep in the playoffs is silly. If it wasn’t for the trash can brigade, they would probably have another chip. The Dodgers are stacked. I’m just happy to see us playing so well when most people thought we were a year or two away from competing. Great front office? Check. Talented coaching staff? Check. Deep farm system? Check. Above average veterans? Check. Money to spend? Well, you get the idea. We are set up to be a sustainable, competitive franchise for years to come.
Agree, bruh! Dodgers earned and deserved the championship in 2020. No one can predict what might have happened in a longer regular season but the Dodgers were looking at winning 105-115 games. The Giants have been outstanding this year and have earned and deserve their present position.
Great news for all Giants fans. My nieces and nephews went to Foothill HS too. It’s great to hear he’s been signed for two more years!
Looks like Crawford will be able to retire a Giant.
This is a smart move. Ostensibly a still productive Craw is a bridge to Luciano.
Keeping Crawford as a lifetime Giant would be great. $32M over the next 2 years is good for both sides. Craw is a Bay Area guy and he should be acknowledged for his contributions on and off the field. So glad he will be here to bridge the gap to the next wave of Giants.
some hard #s (from Cot’s) and a bunch of guessing for 2022
Buster: $22.5M
Gausman: $25M
Bryant $30M
Longoria: $11.5M
Belt: $12M
Crawford: $16M
Descalfani: $10M
Flores: $3.125M
Wood: $4.5M
LaStella: $6.25
McGee: $2.5M
Alvarez: $1.5M
Garcia: $1.25M
Yaz: $1.25M
Moronta: .$75M
Rogers: $.75M
< $.6M: Bedee, Baragar, Dubon, Webb, Bart, Estrada, Wade, Leone, Doval, (replace any of these with any of many options) $5.4M
rest of 40 man roster minors $3M
player benefits approx $16M
approx total $171.725M
leaving around $40M assuming the tax threshold does not go up, which it most likely will
this assumes they do not bring back Duggar, Dickerson, Cueto, Casali, Solano, Ruf. but if they do, it does not affect the total much except for Cueto, which I do not see happening
this is only to say that the Gs are going to have tremendous payroll flexibility, so bringing back Craw, Posey, Belt, Gausman, DeScalfini, and even Bryant will not limit them from keeping a big part of this roster in tact while having room to go out and get a couple more pieces
I see no reason to bring Belt back—either from a financial or need strategy. So tack on an additional $12-15M to their spending abilities.
Career offensive year at 34, with all his metrics on hitting, speed and fielding trending up from recent prior seasons. There was a time in San Francisco when a player improving in his mid-30s would bring other questions. Regardless, it’s only a two-year deal, so even with expected regression next year, it should be a good deal. If he gets even better next year, we’ll start the hourly blood tests!
I wonder if he found the cream and the clear left in the clubhouse by Barry Bonds?
Good for him. Good for the Giants. Good for baseball.
Belt is in his 11th season where giants fans are looking for him to hit a potential of .300 30hr 100rbi….. and like always they have to witness .250ish 15-17 HR and 50RBI
Am sure Management realize Belt’s ceiling is a myth and he is 33….LET HIM WALK as that is what he strives for in every at bat.
Belt is in the James Loney/Mark Grace mold. Sadly the organization thought he’d be more Will Clark/J.T. Snow and it never happened
Belt’s career numbers are better than J.T. Snow’s, and he is equally as good, if not better, with the glove.
JT snow comparing up to age 33 of each
JT had 3 20 + homer run seasons.
Belt ZERO
JT had 4 seasons of 90+ RBI’s (2 were 100+)
Belt ZERO
JT 6 Gold Gloves
Belt ZERO
Belt’s specialty the Walks (if I lowered walks to 50+ JT would clobber belt)
JT 2 season with over 80 walks (mind you he had bonds in lineup)
Belt 2 seasons with over 80 walks (no bonds in lineup)
JT 5 seasons with over 600 Plate appearances
Belt 2 seasons
only areas really belt is clearly better is that belt is Height 6’3 to 6’2 and Stolen bases.
Oh please, what a ridiculously biased post. RBI? They’re a team stat, not viable for player comparisons. GGs? Again, not any kind of viable comparison. I’ll grant that winning a GG is the sign of a good fielder, but not winning one is no indication that any player is not an exceptional fielder. GGs have always been more about popularity, and reputation than actual ability.
DRS has only used since 2002, and in Snow’s final 6 seasons he had 9 DRS. In his last 6 seasons Belt has 32 DRS, and 53 DRS for his career.
Belt has a career 122 OPS+
Snow has a career 105 OPS+
You’re talking about PAs? once again selecting numbers instead of looking at the overall I see. Belt has averaged 420.8 PAs in his 11 seasons. Snow averaged 409.5 over his 16.
HRs? 2o HRs means nothing other than it’s an arbitrary threshold. Would you rather have a guy that averages 18 HRs every year, or a guy that hits 20 one year and then 8 and 6 the following years? It’s an important question since Snow hit 24 HRs in 1999, and then 19, 8, 6, and 8 in his next 4 seasons.
And lets be fair and compare ballparks since Oracle is difficult a tough place for LHHs to hit HRs. Snow had 124 HRs in his 10 years in SF, for an average of 12.4 per season.. Belt has 153 in his 11 years for a yearly average of 13.9
Numbers don’t lie. You can try to cherry-pick to make them seem something else. I loved Snow, but when all the relevant stats are looked at, Belt comes out as better than him.
Wait, anti-Belt folks still exist? Here’s some “data” for you, “datashark”
Belt has a career wRC+ (overall hitting, which considers park values) of 124.
JT Snow? 106.
For all those “20 HR seasons”, Snow has just 36 HR more than Belt, despite playing in over 500 more games. By the time Belt plays that many games, he’s on pace for 220 HR, which is 30 more than Snow.
The Gold Gloves argument is stupid. Brandon Belt cannot control how people vote for an award. He is, by legitimately every metric available, one of the best defensive 1B in baseball, and possibly one of the best since 2002.
Brandon Belt has, by every indication, been a great, great 1B. To suggest he’s not because he’s not up to snuff with a couple of poorly cherry-picked stats isn’t even boring, it’s actually proof that you’re stupid at this point.
For someone with the name “datashark”, you sure seem to ignore data.
At $16M per season, it’s a $1M bump over his current contact. If that’s where he wants to be this is a win win for both sides. Because he EASILY gets 2yrs $32M on the open market even with a QO attached to him.
The list of starting pitchers who’ve gone to SF off injury or mediocre performance and have taken steps forward not to mention the hitters who’ve changed their trajectory, I think SF is going to be a hot Free Agent landing spot. As the article states they have no future $ obligations .
Posey’s looks like a new man after finally getting his hip right and despite his age they’ve always managed his work load. If the NL gets a DH he easily get 2yrs + an option. I think it’s Belt who maybe just get’s a QO and that’s because I believe the org prefers to have 1B (and potential DH) as spots to rest regulars creating IF and OF depth on the roster instead.
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#BCrawForTheHall
Good deal. Much better than paying hundreds of millions for the younger bigger names.
My thoughts are that 16M$ is probably a little too much for Crawford, but he is still a proven veteran with great defense. Is he a fan favorite in SF ?
Congratulations to Crawford and the Giants!
Having said that, some of the comments here are just ignorant. I hate to put it that way, but some facts need to be recognized and remembered:
1. The Dodgers and Giants have the best rivalry in baseball. It moved from the East Coast to the West Coast in 1958. It has survived some ugly incidents from both sides, but it is still thriving today. The Giants were heading for Minnesota until the Dodgers convinced them to move to San Francisco instead in order to keep the rivalry alive. The Padres, Rockies, D-Backs, even the Angels, any other team can shout “Beat L.A..” but the chant was created in San Francisco. It has since spread to all of the other major sports. L.A. fans now embrace it as a badge of honor. Other teams can dream that they are rivals with the Dodgers, but the Giants are the one true rival to the Dodgers.
2. The Giants nearly moved to Toronto in the mid-1970s and to Tampa Bay in the early 1990s. The Dodgers told MLB that any move by the Giants would hurt them and the entire league, and the Dodgers then helped find potential owners for the Giants in order to keep the team in San Francisco. These moves led to the creation of the Toronto Blue Jays and Tampa Bay (Devil) Rays.
3. When the Giants were in deep financial trouble, and needed bank loans, the Oakland A’s TEMPORARILY ceded control of San Jose to the Giants so that the loans could happen. For some reason, MLB looks the other way when the Giants keep refusing to share San Jose with the A’s. The A’s could be playing in San Jose right now if the Giants didn’t block this move. It is the epitome of irony that this decision by the Giants is a major reason why the A’s might actually leave the Bay Area to move to Las Vegas or elsewhere.
4. The 2020 MLB season has no asterisk. Meanwhile, the ball that was Barry Bonds alleged 756th home run actually does have an asterisk printed on it. If you don’t believe me, you can see it anytime the Baseball Hall of Fame is open for visitors.
5. According to Giants fans, the Dodgers may play in “Chavez Latrine” since 1962, but at least our stadium doesn’t need to keep changing its name to protect the innocent…
LOL. Didn’t the Dodgers literally evict and bulldoze people’s homes to build their stadium?
But yes, the Giants shrewdly selling the naming rights to a stadium they own… that’s the squeaky wheel.
Just like you don’t seem to want to admit that the Giants have made life miserable for the A’s, the other team that helped them stay in San Francisco, you also repeat the lie that the Dodgers evicted the people who lived in Chavez Ravine. The City of Los Angeles decided to do it, about six years before L.A. tried to get the Dodgers to move here. The City began clearing out Chavez Ravine in the early 1950s. The City neglected to finish the eviction process before it came time to build Dodger Stadium.
Whether the Dodgers built the stadium in Chavez Ravine or in another part of Los Angeles, the residents of Chavez Ravine were going to be moved out of that area. This decision had absolutely nothing to do with the Dodgers. It was going to happen anyway; just like the Giants were going to leave New York City for Minnesota as they were clearly the third favorite team in New York City by the mid-1950s. Again, even if the Dodgers had never left Brooklyn, the Giants were going to leave New York City.
“Shrewdly” selling the naming rights once is bad enough, but being on the third or fourth name in such a short time is an absolute joke. Let’s review: Yankee Stadium, Dodger Stadium, fill-in-the-blank Big Coke Bottle Stadium.
Man, the Dodger fans’ collective Napoleon Complex is at an all-time high.
“At least we don’t sell our naming rights!”
“You wouldn’t even be in California if it weren’t for us!”
“You were the third most popular New York team in the 50s!”
Is the hope for winning the NL West that bleak down there that bleak now?
Honestly, who cares that the Giants sell the naming rights to their park? It wasn’t even the Giants fault that they had to seek new naming right. AT&T was terminating their own naming rights.
It went from PacBell to AT&T… which makes sense, considering AT&T & Pacific Bell’s relationship. Then it turned to Oracle after AT&T relinquished their rights. Seriously, this isn’t very difficult to figure out.
Oh wait, I’m talking to a Dodger fan, so yeah, it probably is difficult for you.
I forgot it went to SBC in the middle of PacBell & AT&T. It still changes nothing, as those companies went through mergers during the 7-8 years in which they had naming rights.
It’s literally the same naming rights contract, but the name changed as companies merged.
For 23 years, the Giants kept the same naming rights deal (and made $100M in the process). They kept it until the company (AT&T) ripped up the deal.
Hating the truth still makes it the truth.
If you know how to Google things, you will find that what I have described all really happened, like it or not.
Without the help of the Dodgers and A’s, the Giants would be in Minnesota, or Toronto, or Tampa Bay, or someplace else other than San Francisco. This is why what they are doing to the A’s will eventually bite them. Because karma.
History did not start with the opening of the Big Coke Bottle stadium. Still, four names in less than 25 years….what’s the guess for the next name, and will it still happen within five years like all the others?
Even your GM was trained by the A’s and Dodgers!
I am still confident that the Dodgers will win the NL West. They know how, having done it eight straight seasons. If not, and they have to play the Wild Card Game this season, I am confident they will win it. The Playoffs will be a lot of fun this year.
“Still, four names in less than 25 years….what’s the guess for the next name, and will it still happen within five years like all the others?”
Do you know how naming rights contracts work? (Don’t answer that, we all know you don’t).
The Giants are beholden to the name change as PacBell/SBC/AT&T change their names. It’s legitimately the exact same contract. It’s the company with the naming rights who changes the name, not the San Francisco Giants.
Seriously though, I can’t tell if you’re being obtuse to play an act, or if it just comes naturally for you,
Pacbell, SBC, and AT&T are all the same company. The Giants sold the naming rights to that company. That the company kept changing it’s name, due to mergers and acquisitions, is on the company, not the Giants.
To nit-pick something so irrelevant says much about how small a person you must be.
alanofla suddenly becomes silent… No response?
I can’t imagine playing a platoon player like Longoria $20 million wow. Crawford is good but an overpay but good for him and the team realizing what he has meant to the club.
Is no one going to whisper the possibility of some kind of PED use? This guy profiled as a try hard/hustle type of player from the jump, carves out a solid, unspectacular career, begins to decline in a predictable fashion, then suddenly turns in the best season of his life at age 35. Happens all the time I guess. I’m sure someone is going to put together a list of DH/1B types who had late career success, but this guy plays a premium defensive position and appears to be doing so better than he did the last few seasons. Not a lot of precedent there. This whole story feels like it was written in 1998. Just my opinion.
Could be. Could also just be good coaching and hard work.
I struggle with the notion that a 35yo can’t get better.
Over pay as he will regress soon….
Cool. While you wait for that to happen, we will just keep enjoying first place.
Another guy who seems to be running out of gas on a great career and suddenly, in the year his contract is running out he is having the best year in many moons. Check back with me in a year and still see if this was a great deal.
Am I a conspiracy theorist? Does anyone else find it odd that the Giants have so many guys with a .900 ops? Crawford, Ruf, Belt, Longoria.. all washed up for a few years. All of a sudden having career years?
I suppose the answer depends on whether or not you believe a new front office and coaching staff is capable of improving players.
YasmaniStrandall:
Maybe you are, but you certainly are a cherry-picker. Posey, Solano, Dickerson, Yaz, Slater. Flores, LaStella, none of them having career years.
Well the problem is obviously your assumption that the players you mentioned were “washed up”. Almost all players have up and down years. People that don’t understand baseball always assume a player is who he is at that point in time.
Brandon Belt has a career .814 OPS, so, no he was not washed up. He’s having a slightly worse season than 2020, and slightly better one than his career average.
Crawford revamped his swing. Nobody shouted conspiracy when Justin Turner revamped his swing and went from a .260/.323/.361 hitter with a .684 OPS in his first 5 seasons to a .301/.381/.502 hitter with an .883 OPS since.
Darin Ruf spent 3 seasons in the KBO where he raked to the tune of .313/.404/.564 with an OPS of .968. Not washed up. Everybody talked about how smart the Brewers were to sign Eric Thames back from the KBO. Did you find it odd when he hit well?
And, seriously, Longoria? The guy hasn’t played since June 5th. He’s played in only 50 of the Giants 116 games. You’re really reaching on that one.
Byung Ho Park also “raked” in KBO as have dozens of failed MLB sluggers.
“…dozens of failed MLB sluggers.”
Exaggerate much?
I grant that ByungHo Park struggled at MLB, but how about naming some of those dozens of failures? I could say dozens of KBO sluggers have been successful in MLB. If you’re going to make a statement like that, back it up with some facts.
I have 2 examples of MLB players that went to Korea, and came back to MLB with some success. You have one example, that isn’t even comparable since he didn’t go from MLB to the KBO and back again.
Not to mention that Ruf got off to a great start in his MLB career, having a 111 OPS+ in his first 4 seasons. It’s not like his success this season came out of nowhere.
And if you knew anything about the KBO, you’d know that MLB players see a lot more off-speed pitches, with a ball slightly smaller that the MLB ball. It’s a good place for hitters to learn how to hit the off-speed stuff.
Let’s not ignore that Crawford and Longoria were perfect candidates to DFA as recently as last season and in 2019 the last full season….both considered to be overpaid at this point of their careers and their contrasts combined can sink a team….
Then all of a sudden both in their mid 30’s they have career years….mostly Crawford….
I would they are have an anomaly type season as is several other Giants….Gausman and DeSclafini have never been good….I mean back end starters at best though u can make a case that Gausman has #2 stuff and potential….
I don’t buy that all of them are having career years….I would lean more towards a fast start giving them confidence to continue playing good while more superior teams have lost all-star caliber players….
I see them cooling off soon and getting passed up by the Dodgers….
The Giants can win a WC game with Gausman pitching if he goes back to his early season form but I don’t think they have the pitching to win a longer series against better teams….
The Brewers and Dodgers pitching would eat them up in the playoffs….just saying….
@usafcop People have been saying that all year long. “The Giants are going to cool off soon! The Giants are going to cool off soon!” And it keeps not happening.
At this point, I refuse to believe they aren’t winning the 2021 WS until they are officially eliminated.
A fact others have pointed out, and you continue to ignore, is the Giants only got off to an okay start, not the fast start you keep erroneously claiming.
The first team to 20 wins was the Red Sox. The first team to 3o wins was the Padres, and the first team to 40 wins was the Rays. The Giants were the first to reach 50 wins, 60 wins, 70 wins, and are in decent shape now to be the first to 80.
On May 27st the Padres were in 1st place, ahead of the Dodgers in 2nd, with the Giants in 3rd. The Giants didn’t move into 1st until May 31st. So quit beating this fallacious dead horse that the Giants are only coasting on the crest of a fast start wave.
Plus the Giants just took 2 out 3 from the Brewers in Milwaukee,
Judging from their home/road batting splits they may be utilizing some form of AstroBall.
“The Brewers and Dodgers pitching would eat them up in the playoffs….just saying….”
You mean the teams that are 4-9 against the Giants since the All-Star Break? THOSE Brewers and Dodgers?
Playoffs is a different animal….
The Giants would be facing Peralta and Burnes and Woodruff and Buehler and Kershaw and Scherzer not Gonsolin or Lauer….for instance….
The Giants lost to Burnes in Milwaukee, 2-1 in a walk-off, and then beat Woodruff the next day. Based on that, it’s hardly safe to assume victories for either one of them over the Giants. They also beat Brett Anderson to take 2 out of 3. Plus as it stands right now the Brewers would be travelling to SF.
Buehler will be tough, he’s 2-0 against the Giants, but LA did lose one of his starts to SF. But Kershaw? Really? I thought you followed all teams closely. Kershaw is on the 60 day IL. And he took the loss in his one start against the Giants, giving up 5 runs in 6 IP.
At one point in time, I had no doubt Kershaw was the best pitcher in baseball. But that was several seasons ago, he is not the pitcher he once was.
Solid deal. My guess is he could have landed a three-year contract on the open market for more total money but a slightly lower AAV. They’ll be a lot of top-name and younger free-agent SS’s this off season he’d be competing with, but that also means there will be many openings too. He would have found a lot of interest from teams not happy at the asking price of the other SS’s and who are looking to avoid a Lindor-like contract problem.
tad2b13….sorry but the Giants are playing way above their heads regardless of a fast start and/or momentum….
Longoria and Crawford are back to all-star form in their mid 30’s….Gausman has never been good nor has DeSclafini….Ruf and Duggar are u kidding me?
Cone on these guys are way above their norm and will lock up a WC sure but they won’t get past the 2nd round….mark my words and screenshot my posts if u like….
The extreme depth u refer to no other teams wanted….they certainly wouldn’t make the Dodgers roster in a normal season….but this year has been whacky I mean who had the Mariners and Giants doing better than the Braves and Twins? Nobody.
Who had Robbie Grossman doing better than Christian Yelich? Nobody.
Strange season and a ton of stars are out right now….or having down years….while scrubs or has beens are having career years or anomaly type seasons….
Paying a premium for a 35 year old middle infielder based on an outlier career year doesn’t generally pay off.
But I wish him well.
A premium? I mean, as far as veteran shortstops go, he’s making less than Bogarts, Semien and Lindor, as you’d expect. He is making more than Elvis Andrus, Andrelton Simmons, Didi Gregorios, Jose Iglesias, as you’d also probably expect. Story, Seager, Baez and Correa are almost certainly going to be making more than $16/yr. I don’t know where you think Crawford should rank among these guys.
Well deserved. Even though I feel Brandon deserved a little more yearly say $38 mill for 2 years. Good player plays hard and great in clubhouse.
I have seen tons of guys in their mid 30’s having great offensive years. Wait, that was in the 80s. Guys don’t revamp their swing in their mid 30s and become all stars. We love history in baseball. How many mid 30 guys, revamped their swing and played at a high level for a couple more years or into their early 40s. I’ll wait for an answer.
So you’re saying it could never happen? Really?
Justin Turner revamped his swing at age 29. The difference between him and Crawford is that Turner had greater urgency. He was hitting .260/.323/.361 with a .684 and a 92 OPS+, and was not playing a key defensive position, and had just been released by the Mets.
Crawford had an OPS+ of 100 or higher for 6 of 8 seasons and was one of the best SSs in baseball, so the urgency to hit better wasn’t there. Crawford was a decent hitter, where Turner was not.
Marcus Semien had a 96 OPS+ through his first 6 seasons, and has a 133 OPS+ this season, at age 30.
Joey Votto, had an OPS+ of 104 and 96 in his previous 2 seasons now has an OPS+ of 140 at age 37.
Sal Perez had 5 season with a 93 OPS+. Now at ages 30, and 31 his OPS+ is 131.
Plus, there is the matter of changes to the ballpark. The fences have been brought in somewhat, but more importantly, the arcade has been blocked off, making a huge difference in the wind coming in from RF. That is a contributing factor.
Not sure if any of those guys are hitting better because they revamped their swing, but it shows, especially in Votto’s case, that an offensive resurgence is possible in a players age 30+ seasons.
The Giants are doing something different on the coaching front. Not sure what, but as each day passes it becomes more obvious. There is 13 of them. Apparently that’s a lot. Predominately young and modern with new ideas. Players reference them all the time. Saw a good interview with Nick Ortiz who talks about it.
So to the curious people shaking their head at how all these players are having a career year, maybe we should be looking at, and giving credit to, what they all have in common.
I hope what you’re saying is correct. I want to believe in the integrity of the sport and the players who play it. But unfortunately, in my lifetime, so many things have transpired to cause me to question that integrity that I have become an admitted cynic. Also, many of these things were unofficially sanctioned by the league and that causes me to be a conspiracy theorist as well. I have no strong feelings about the Giants or their players. My doubts don’t come from any pre-existing fan bias other than an overall lack of faith in the integrity of the sport.
The cynicism I see in the comments is really appalling to me. Apparently nobody can breakout, or have a resurgence, without there being some sort of juicing, or sign-stealing, innuendo. Yeah, there is a history of both, but I have to be believe that almost all established players wouldn’t risk being suspended for PED use. Would Crawford want to taint his legacy now at his age? I seriously doubt it.
And I don’t think teams will try and cheat with technology to steal signs again anytime soon. The Astros players weren’t punished, but their WS title is questioned. And teams aren’t going risk losing draft choices, and having a GM, and manager, suspended.
@foppert has a great point. The Giants coaching staff is the largest in MLB. The team under Zaidi and Kapler is very analytically focused. I’m sure the Giants aren’t the only team, but they have programmable pitching machines that can match the pitches that the opposing pitcher will throw. Even pinch hitters swing in the cage with the machine pitching like the reliever that’s on the mound at that moment.
Like a lot of issues, there probably isn’t one single reason why the Giants have been surprisingly good this season. But certainly their coaching, and FO structures, are contributing factors.
I’m going to continue to play devil’s advocate. What exactly would Crawford be risking if he got suspended? I’m not sure what his legacy will be one way or the other, but evidently the risk would pay out to the tune of 32 million dollars. That’s a lot of incentive compared to the risk. Again, I have no ill feelings toward Crawford. My opinions are those of an outsider looking at the big picture with historical context.
DonOsbourne: “Hey guys, look, I have no ill feelings against anyone on the Giants”
Also DonOsbourne: “Here are some completely unsubstantiated, damning claims about someone taking performance enhancing drugs! Provided without evidence.”
Yeah, it’s pretty clear you have an axe to grind.
DonOsbourne:
Obviously, you don’t follow the Giants that closely. Crawford is the greatest SS in SF Giant’s history. He’s played more games, and has the best offensive, and defensive numbers, at SS for the Giants since the moved to SF Giants in 1958. Only 2 NY Giants players have better numbers, and he’s close to them, and still has 2 more seasons, plus what’s left of this one. He may wind up being the greatest SS in Giants franchise history, which goes back to 1883.
He’s from the Bay Area, and grew up a Giants fan. He’s said his greatest wish came true when the Giants drafted him. He’s also said he wants to retire as a Giant. He’s beloved by most Giants fans, and he’s aware of his standing.
He’s made almost $80M so far. You mention $32M, but that’s for 2 years. What if he hadn’t had this resurgence with the bat? How much can a league average hitter which he’s been, who’s a premier defender at SS, make as a FA? $10M? $12M? Maybe more, but even if he could only get, say, $8M, that’s a difference of only $8M per year. Is Crawford going to taint his entire illustrious career for $8M a year for just 2 years?
Testing positive for PEDs is a serious blemish on anyone’s record. Look how Barry Bonds has been, and continues to be vilified. If you think Crawford would truly risk that, at the age of 34, after all he’s accomplished, than you are a true cynic.
I think the Giants are doing things differently on the coaching front. Lots of them, young and modern with fresh ideas. Players constantly reference them and there’s an interview on YouTube in which Nick Ortiz talks about it.
Pretty sure Zaidi hasn’t made that culture change without hoping for improved performance and good results.
So for me, the “they will regress” might be like traditional mlb coaching, a bit old and a bit tired.
Oops. It’s so good I thought I’d share that idea twice.
Apologies.
Hey, I thought it was a good one, and one that hadn’t been addressed much.
Yeah mate. It gets overlooked IMO. You look at the photos of the Giants coaching team on mlb.com and it looks like a young playing roster !
18 months in, results being sustained pretty much across the board, seems obvious to me where a lot of the credit should go.
Mid 30’s players have comeback seasons all the time….just not multiple mid 30’s guys on the same team….some of which were considered bad contracts and DFA candidates just as recently as last year and the full season before that in 2019….
Don’t get me wrong the Giants have played really good but there are far better teams that have been hit by injuries that killed their season….
Padres lost Lamet and Paddack for parts of the season and Clevinger for the entire season….all 3 would be up there with Gausman in talent if not better….Tatis was out for a couple months….as well….this team if healthy would be ahead of the Giants….
The Dodgers have had 3 MVP caliber players go down in Betts and Seager and Bellinger along with Turner and Kershaw and the loss of Bauer has killed them….again if fully healthy they would be ahead of the Giants AAAA team….
Sure the Giants have had injuries as well but the talent difference in who they lost compared to the Dodgers and Padres among other teams around the league is huge….
Sone idiot will post THIS seasons stats ONLY and say that the Giants have lost more run production but THIS season has been full of anomalies and injuries and outlier seasons….that is why I don’t go off of 1 season or even 2 in some cases….
I calculate at least 2-3 seasons worth of stats and look at upwards and downwards trends and take injuries into consideration as well as other tangibles….
Let’s face it the Giants are mostly a AAAA team playing way above their norms….while the pitching staff has become very good they do not have a very good pitcher on their roster….their ace is a career 3rd or 4th starter and their #2 is a career #4….
Do I believe in improvement? Sure I do….I see it every season….but not all on the same team when half the roster is on the wrong side of 30….facts sorry guys….
Screenshot this right below….
The Giants will be eliminated in the 2nd round if they indeed get that far….
Don’t argue with me or @ me….I know what I am talking about….
Watch and see….
That’s not even counting the Braves injuries with Acuna and Soroka and Anderson etc….they are also a better team than the Giants….but they’re season started off without Soroka….
Their*
We heard you the first 6 times you have posted that opinion.
You….don’t…. need…. to…. add…. four…. periods…. after…. every…. thought….
(Also, you have legitimately zero clue what you’re talking about. It’s better for your image if you just move along.)
Run along now….
I know more than u do idiot….I am a baseball guru….football too but more so baseball….so run along unless u want me to take u to school….
Says the guy….
Who…..
Can’t even….
Spell….
“You”….
John Jaso sucked btw….just like 75% of the Giants roster….they are playing so far above their heads that they are #2 in all-time wins over their last seasons record and most experts predictions including me had them winning 75 games or so….
No one in this page had them winning the division back in March….be real….the Marlins have more talent than the Giants….
Anyone who jumped on the Giants run of success are either bandwagon fans or homers….
For someone like me who follows all 30 teams…. I clearly see they are playing above their norm and that it has been an anomaly type season….
Robbie Grossman would be their 2nd best OF….and before this season Grossman was garbage….
Anyone here thought Kyle Seager would have a better season than Matt Chapman?
How about Grossman over Yelich?
Gausman over Luis Castillo?
Crawford over Lindor?
Not one if u did so stop acting like u all knew the Giants would have the best record in baseball in mid August….lmfao
They may have the best record but they are by far not the best team in baseball….they just took advantage of other teams missing their stars and/or having down years like Yelich and Bellinger….
So why don’t u run along now John Jaso scrub….
Lol. For a guy who pretends to know everything, you sure went to great lengths to confirm you know legitimately nothing.
It’s incredible how much the trolls hate the Giants. You are SO botheeed by their success.
I’m guessing it’s because you’re nothing but a colossal failure in life? We’ll go with that.
JohnJasoJingleHeimerSchmidt:
Now it’s my turn. I tried debating with guy, and it’s useless exercise. He’s entirely convinced that he knows more about baseball than anyone. He has no introspection whatsoever to question the foundation of his opinions.
He can’t figure out why the Giants are winning, since he knew they would be bad. Instead trying to understand why they’re winning, it has to be nothing but a fluke. He’s a baseball genius that can’t recognize true genius in Farhan Zaidi.
Look at this last post. It’s ridiculous, talking about things like Kyle Seager having a better season the Matt Chapman. News flash: that stuff happens happens every year.
It’s probably time to give up. He’s not worth the effort. Normally I don’t even bother to read his drivel.
First off I know how to spell (you)….a lot of people use (u) for short though….it doesn’t take a genius to figure that out….
Secondly….I do know more about baseball than most people….just because we have different opinions doesn’t mean that I don’t know what I am talking about….
Thirdly….yes the Giants have had a ton of luck this season….it’s been an anomaly type season all the way around….stars have fallen while scrubs have done well….this happens every year yes but not as much as it has happened this season….
Lastly….how did I go to great lengths to prove that I know nothing? Go check Gausman’s career stats and DeSclafini’s career stats and tell me how I am wrong….
Tell me how anything I said is wrong….tell me how any of u had the Giants winning the division….or how their depth is so great….that u had them in the playoff hunt from the beginning….and I will call u a damn liar….
They are not this good….they are not even a top 5 team in the NL much less the entire MLB….
Their backups wouldn’t make most rosters especially good teams rosters….
Simply put they are playing above their heads and they will get blasted in the playoffs….
Instead of blasting me wait until the post season and then if I am wrong and there is a 3% chance that I am….then blast me all u want….
U guys do realize that any player the Giants traded for at the deadline that was available would automatically be the Giants best player….
If the Dodgers or Padres picked up Bryant he wouldn’t be their best player for instance….
Colossal failure? Lmfao
13 years Security Forces in the USAF….the hardest branch to get in….
7 years in Loss Prevention….the last 2 as a Loss Prevention Manager dealing with analytics and data mining….
Wicklander-Zulawski certified and CPR certified….(both for my job)….
Hardly a failure….but okay tough guy….lol
@tad2b13….I am not saying Zaidi is not smart….he is definitely one of the top executives today….but to call him genius for the Giants success is nuts because he had no idea that Crawford and Longoria and even Belt would all revive their careers in the same season….which is part of their success this season….
Zaidi put together a bunch of scrubs as bench players and he got lucky on most of them….guys that were never good or had just one good season….
It’s been a weird season….but just for fun take the top 3 or 5 players from each team and then take the top 3 starting pitchers from each team and the Giants are middle of the pack in the NL….their bench players wouldn’t make most good teams rosters so tell me how are they a super team?
They are not trust me on this….they have had a ton of luck and career years from multiple players in the same season and to me that stinks of a bad team playing over their heads….
They are overhyped and I can’t wait to see them fall in the playoffs….
So you can recognize your own genius, but not Zaidi’s? How can he be a genius if their success is nothing but pure luck? How much luck can you have over 117 games?
Whether Zaidi could know about Belt and Crawford is irrelevant. They were already on the team.
Mentioning Longoria’s resurgence is disingenuous. You say you follow all teams, so you should know he’s played significantly less than half the games. How could he be that big a factor?
Belt actually had a much better year in 2020, so it was reasonable to assume he’d have another in 2021, if healthy. And he’s played in just over half the games, so really, how big a factor is he?
Taking the top 3 or 5 players or pitchers in any kind of analysis is the wrong approach. That why you can’t understand how the Giants are winning.
Zaidi put together, a bunch of solid, if unspectacular ballplayers, and he stocked the roster top to bottom with that type, providing a ton of depth. He also gives them a lot analytically driven data, that Kapler welcomes and uses. He’s given them the largest coaching staff in MLB, and Kapler has used the team’s depth to rest players on a regular basis, keeping them fresh
Maybe you should try and figure out why they’re having success, instead of just trying to rationalize it away as just fluky, lucky. That explanation smacks of someone that doesn’t understand the game.
Yeah, I frankly don’t care about your “credentials”. You spit in the face of your “rank” (if you’re being truthful. Somehow, I don’t think you are) when you turned your attention to being an internet troll.
Also, if you want to show any level of intelligence, legitimately ANY, you should refrain from using ellipses in your writing. It’s impossible to take you seriously. You would be more reasonable if you decided to type in all caps.
You can’t handle that no one here buys how much of a “genius” you proclaim to be. So you double down. “There’s a 3% chance that I’m wrong” LMAOOO. Seriously, give it up little buddy.
For being a “loss prevention guy”, you certainly failed to stop whatever robbed you of your few remaining brain cells. Maybe hop off this site and get on that case. Return when you’ve data-mined the culprit into oblivion.
“Ton of depth” depth no one else wanted
“Superstar bench” that wouldn’t make a good teams roster
I never said Zaidi isn’t smart but to assume he put together a WS team is insane.
I understand the game as well as the next guy and I have seen better teams miss the playoffs while average teams make the playoffs. It happens a lot. Usually due to a high amount of clubhouse chemistry but to say they are a top talent team is insane.
They are getting production from key guys again that were thought to be done.
A ton of luck has gone their way as well for the Padres and Dodgers to be out some all-stars and still be right there with the Giants.
It u and your buddy John Jaso the career AAAA 1B actually had the Giants winning 95 games this season let’s see the predictions.
Nobody on this page had them winning more than 82 games be real.
John Jaso, I am not spitting on my rank by sharing my opinion. So u don’t believe that I was Security Forces in the USAF yet my user name is USAFCOP which is exactly what Security Forces is (a cop in the USAF)
Don’t believe me I don’t care. You mean nothing to me. Just a piece of gum stuck to the bottom of my shoe.
You are correct I may be off in my calculations, it could be a 5% chance I am wrong but not much more than that.
Not sure how I am missing brain cells for sharing my opinion.
I never said Zaidi wasn’t smart or that the Giants are a bad team. I would say Zaidi is one of the top executives right now but the Giants as a whole are an average middle of the pack team.
The extra depth they have wouldn’t make the Dodgers roster.
They aren’t this super team assembled by a brainiac. If they were around .500 I bet you and your bf would be saying they are right where they belong and right where they need to be during there rebuild etc.
But because they have exceeded EVERYONE’S expectations you guys act like you knew this would happen. Now that’s funny.
So because I don’t buy into their success but you 2 do, that makes me wrong? Seems legit.
I know what I am talking about when I say they will have an early exit in the playoffs, so get off the bandwagon and look at it from a realistic approach.
I have a 95% chance or higher of being correct.
Screenshot all of my posts and you will see that I am right. Until then buzz off.
Let’s not forget about Posey either….another mid 30’s player who was thought to be slowing down or done but here he is….
I smell Astros ball….because this team isn’t this good period….hell before the Rockies traded Arenado they even had more stars than the Giants….
I will be right in the end and that’s all that matters….
Bro, you literally just admitted to projecting the Giants at 75 wins and acknowledged you were wrong. Now, there’s a 95% chance you’re right about them losing in the playoffs. LOLOLOL
For what it’s worth, no one cares about what your name says. You’ve lied about being intelligent. You’re probably also lying about being in the military.
Also, nice job liking your own posts.
“Astros ball” LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Poor little guy REALLLLY needs attention, doesn’t he?
You say you follow all 30 teams, but your comment about Posey just shows you’re not following the Giants very well.
It was well documented that Posey tried to play through a hip problem in 2018. His season was cut short by surgery to repair it. His hip was not back to where it should be in 2019. He needed a full year of rehab, and he was playing 6 months later.
Opting out of the 2020 season gave him the time to recuperate, and fully rehab the hip. 2021 is the first time Posey has been fully healthy in years.
If you followed all the teams like you say you do you’d know that. The trouble is, as in the case of Posey, it’s all too easy to see a decline in numbers and assume a player is “slowing down or done”. That’s just lazy, and yet in your mind, it’s perfect analysis.
BTW. I was ridiculed in the comments before the season started because I said the Giants were better than a .500 team, and had a shot at winning a WC spot. So your statement that no one here predicted more than 82 wins is patently false, in addition to being perfectly irrelevant.
I live 2 hours from SF….they are my home team….and yes I do follow them as much as any other team….I actually hear more about them than any other team on the local news….
Secondly “most” people had them winning roughly 75 to 82 games including myself so everyone was wrong on that one genius….not just me….and either way that has no bearing on my intelligence….
I predicted that the Steelers would go on a losing streak and fall apart last season….does that make me a genius?
Just asking….or because “most” people felt the same way about the Steelers it doesn’t make me a genius?
Same thing with the Giants….”most” people including me had them finishing 3rd or 4th in the NL West and winning between 75-82 games….
Right or wrong predictions does not make someone a genius or an idiot….I can assure u my intelligence is that of above normal intelligence….
I can also sure u that even it comes to sports I am right far more than I am wrong….so by me saying that I have a 95% chance of being correct that the Giants won’t get past round 2….that is my choice and it doesn’t make me a genius if I’m right nor does it make me an idiot if I’m wrong because that would mean there are a lot of baseball experts who are idiots along with me….
Also I wouldn’t lie about being military….all of what I posted in that post was true and correct….
Lastly the Posey comments I made are legit comments….a lot of people seen him slowing down and being in his mid 30s and being a catcher I don’t know call me crazy but I too thought his best years were behind him….
I am just as intelligent as any of u especially when it comes to baseball….it’s pretty shallow to assume someone is lesser intelligence or knowledge just because they have different opinions than u do don’t u think?
So because most experts had the Giants eliminated by July….does that make them unintelligent?
U have to admit having 3 or 4 mid 30’s players all reviving their careers at the same time that career scrubs produce above career norms….while their #3 starters they signed have looked like aces….
Neither one of u had them winning 90 plus games and being WS contenders….talk about being a liar….look in the mirror….
Nothing I said was a lie….I am successful and I am intelligent….I also know baseball as much as anyone on this page….give or take obviously….
Different opinions are just that….nothing more….
Good luck the rest of the way….oh and by the way experts change their predictions all the time for instance mid-season predictions change from the start of the season….
So me saying I was wrong about them winning 75 games or so doesn’t mean that my revised prediction won’t be correct….
“lazy, and yet in your mind, it’s perfect”
That phrase sums up most of the critics on this website, and most relevant, usafcop.
You could also use the word “dumb” if you’d prefer.
“So me saying I was wrong about them winning 75 games or so doesn’t mean that my revised prediction won’t be correct”
I’d love you try that in Vegas sometime. “Yeah, I know I put 2K on the Orioles. But predictions are updated all the time. I’m now predicting, after the fact, that they’ll be bad.”
Seriously. You are hilarious, Mr. Stolen Valor Cop. Absolutely hilarious.
“Absolutely hilarious”
Damn u sound ignorant for someone who knows very little about baseball….lol
No stolen valor here but there is an imposter among us and that is u who thinks he knows baseball….
Like u had the Giants winning the division right? No u didn’t….in fact most people that know baseball had the Giants finishing 3rd or even 4th in the NL West….
Which means roughly 90% of all baseball experts have to revise their predictions….so why single me out?
Those who bully are usually the ones with shortcomings….calling me names etc online….big tough guy u are lol….absolutely hilarious….
“Those who talk about their intelligence are usually not intelligent” actually this is false….
I only brought up my accomplishments because u wouldn’t stop calling me an idiot etc….so in response to u being a cyber bully (and that’s the only way u could bully me) I gave u a list of a few of my accomplishments not even close to all of them as I didn’t want to put u to shame etc….
I even put down my name and city so that u could check my FB and see that in fact I was USAF Security Forces and a recruiter but the system won’t allow me to leave that info….
So take a hike minor leagues….let the big boys talk sports….
People change their predictions all the time….in every sport every year….so the fact that I had them winning between 75-82 games along with 90% of the baseball experts makes us all wrong not just me….
My revised prediction is that they won’t get out of the 2nd round of the playoffs….which again is probably the universal prediction among baseball experts….
So we were all wrong except good old John Jaso who didn’t have 1 good season in the MLB….lol
It’s too funny that u think u know more than I do about baseball….I can tell from your posts that u don’t….
U just go along with the popular vote on here and say u could really see the Giants winning it all….yeah right they have like 5% chance of winning the WS which is 5% more than they had in April….so there’s that….
Anyways I posted my name and city so u could find me on FB and see that everything I said above is true….even if I left out some accomplishments….no sense in making u look even more like an idiot than u already do in your posts….
“Which means roughly 90% of all baseball experts have to revise their predictions….so why single me out?”
Probably because you’re an arrogant buffoon who thinks that you actually know anything. You don’t. Drop the act little buddy. No one is buying it.
“U just go along with the popular vote on here and say u could really see the Giants winning it all”
I’ve not once said that. When you have to ascribe things to someone that they never said in order to be right, then it’s clear you’re not right.
“I gave u a list of a few of my accomplishments not even close to all of them as I didn’t want to put u to sham”
For someone with a laundry list of accomplishments that would put me to shame, you seemed to miss basic grammar and reading comprehension. So when you can’t form coherent thoughts or comprehend what someone writes, you shouldn’t be surprised when you’re not believed that you suddenly are trained in interrogation technique LOLOL.
But if you need to play make believe that you did all of these things, then so be it. If it gets you to cope with the reality that the world has completely rejected you, then I’m not going to stop you.
Lmfao….you and your dad are buffoons….
Gtf off my site….this is for the real MLB experts not people like u….
U can bully all u want on here but I guarantee u it wouldn’t happen in the real world….tough guy lol
I do know more about baseball and that is obvious….u are a disgrace to this site….
I was USAF Security Forces (SECFOR) and a recruiter on top of working in a global security operations command center and I passed the tests for the DMV and the Post Office without studying and I got an 88 and a 92 respectively but neither pay as much as I make as a multi unit Loss Prevention manager….so I did not take either job….
That is just a few of my accomplishments whether u believe me or not doesn’t matter because those that know me….know the truth….u are a used piece of gum on my shoe so what u think doesn’t matter….to me or to anyone else for that matter….
Now move along boy u are scaring off the real MLB experts….by acting a fool….
As USAF Security Forces member we needed 3 elements to happen before we could discharge our service weapon the 9mm beretta when I was in….
Those 3 elements were:
Intent
Capability
Opportunity
Now go ask someone u know in the USAF to ask a member of the SECFOR if that is true….
Only SECFOR personnel would know this….
Furthermore my baseball analysis or predictions has NO BEARING on my military service so to say I am a disgrace etc to the military for saying that the Giants are not nearly as good as they have been playing (this happens every season in every sport) that doesn’t tarnish my military accolades whatsoever….
It only shows your lack of knowledge and it shows that u may need anger management if u get mad when someone goes against your opinions….#truth
I know that I served my country for 14 years….but only 13 of those years goes towards retirement because I spent 1 year in the IRR….Inactive Ready Reserves….
U wouldn’t know about that though because u probably didn’t meet the requirements to serve in the Armed Forces….
Nothing left to prove to u so I’m moving on to the next thread that I find interesting….
I am busy with work seeing how theft is at an all time high plus I am managing 5 fantasy baseball teams and I have 2 fantasy football drafts coming up this weekend….
I have no more time to argue with kids on the internet….sorry not sorry….
Sounds like u are the one who needs attention actually….sorry that your “high up” there dada was too busy to spend time with u and teach u about sports because he was too busy….it’s not my fault though chump….let it go….
“Pathetic human being” what because I know the Giants are playing above their heads? It happens every season in every sport….most end up disappointed in the playoffs….
Here is something only a military recruiter would know:
To get into the Army or Marines u need a 31 on the ASVAB….
To get into the Navy or USAF u need at least a 50 on the ASVAB….it ranges from 0-99….
Now the exception to the Army and the Marines is that male recruits can get in with an ASVAB score of 26-30 even if they didn’t reach the required 31….this is because they can be used as infantry and adapt….it is called the Cat 4 waiver meaning Category 4 waiver….males can adapt to being infantry whereas females cannot and would need the minimum 31 score on the ASVAB….not my rules it’s just the way it was when I was a recruiter….(which takes a high score to even get that position) and I got an 83 on the ASVAB but my GT score was 121….
Oh I’m sorry u probably do not know what a GT score is….well it ranges from 0 to 140 and it stands for General Technical which if your reading comprehension and math skills combined….my GT score was 121 and u need a GT score of 110 or higher to be an officer or a recruiter or Special Forces meaning that I could have chosen just about any job I wanted in the USAF but I chose to be Security Forces even though my scores were much higher than I needed for that MOS….
U didn’t have a degree so obviously being an officer was not a question and being Special Forces means being deployed all the time so I chose Security Forces and recruiting….
Now move along I proved u to be an idiot and I don’t like doing that….
Go hurry up and find out that everything I said above is true and correct and that only someone in those fields would know those things….
“Guys, I’m so pretty! Tell me I’m pretty! Seriously guyzzzz. I’m pretty, right????”
-USAFCop, probably.
No one cares about your “credentials” (that you’re 100% making up). You made dumb comments on a baseball comment board, you tried being a troll desperate for attention. And you got your attention.
Come around Offutt one of these days. I promise you, the Air Force guys around here will figure you out in 4 seconds flat. But we both know you wouldn’t dare step foot on the base.
“U wouldn’t know about that though because u probably didn’t meet the requirements to serve in the Armed Forces”
Dude, I grew up in a military house. My dad was USAF and served this nation proudly. You’ll never, I repeat, NEVER hear him, or anyone who has actually served in the US Military go to any lengths to try and prove they were in the Military.
I was medically incapable of serving (Tourette Syndrome) and don’t know if I would even if I were able. That’s personal preference.
But of my father, my cousin, my uncles, and two grandfathers, not one of them, nor any of those I grew up with who are current or former military, not one would go to any length to prove they were Air Force or Marines.
You’re 100% lying about every one of your credentials. It’s plainly obvious to everyone who would read your nonsense. It’s okay, though, if you want to claim to be US Military to try and score points on the internet, I guess you can do that.
But just know that no one here, or anywhere, actually believes you.
And for what it’s worth, no one is accusing you of having a shred of idea about what you’re talking about when it comes to the Giants, or baseball in general.
You’re a low-level, bottom-feeding troll who wants attention real bad. Most likely because everyone you know has rightly cast you out of their lives. So you’re desperate. It’s why you troll here.
But just know, anytime you come around to troll, I’m going to find you and continue to treat you like the mockery of a human being that you really are.
Go get a hobby. I hear the swing set at the local park is a really fun one. That is, unless you’re not allowed within 1000 feet of said park?
See ya.
I don’t believe that your dad served in the USAF but I do believe u have Tourette’s….
I bet he is proud of u….lmfao
I think u described yourself in your last post above about wanting attention because everyone wrote u off….maybe because u called them names I don’t know….lol
“My father and uncles etc never tried to prove they were military”
Probably because they didn’t have swearing children accuse them of not being military….it’s a shame kid that u don’t know much about the military or u would know that everything I said above is 100% truth and that the details I mentioned only someone in SECFOR and recruiting would know….
Go away u swearing pest….what a loser u must be….lmao
I am only disproving your comments about me it’s not bragging it’s simply telling u that u are wrong 100% about me and about baseball so get off this site and go swear at some flies on the wall….moron
Actually everything I said above is 100% correct….and only u do not believe it because u are incapable of knowing the things that I spelled out in detail
No I do not go around saying I was military but I will not allow a non serving chump like u tell me I wasn’t so I defended myself….
None of your family got accused of stolen valor therefore they didn’t have to defend themselves from a non serving punk….
U better hope I never step foot on Offutt u punk….
Trolling would be to say that the Pirates are a playoff caliber team or that Tyler Anderson is an “Ace” because he was the #1 on the Pirates before being traded to the Mariners…
Saying that the Giants are playing above their heads and that Gausman has never been this good is not trolling….those are facts….
It happens every season in every sport where a bad team plays good enough to make the playoffs….as well as better teams missing the playoffs….this happens every year in every sport and we are witnessing this right now with the Giants….saying this is not trolling….it is the truth….100%
So stop your trolling….if I was going to commit stolen Valor I would have said I was Navy SEAL….not just military police and a recruiter….
I am not lying about anything so stop acting tough on the internet before someone puts u to sleep….
Anytime I see u on here I will treat u like a mockery….see where that gets u kid….lol
“It happens every season in every sport where a bad team plays good enough to make the playoffs”
Calling the Giants, who are literally four games better than the second best record in baseball a “bad team” is nothing but trolling for the sake of wanting attention.
And now you understand why everyone in your life has passed you by. You’re an insufferable mongoloid with a serious Napoleon Complex. You feel the need to make up a bunch of credentials that you’ve never had because you feel the need to be important. Newsflash: you’re not.
This is the most attention anyone has given you in your 47 miserable years of life on this earth, so you’re overcompensating for it.
But maybe, next time, if you want to be taken seriously, here are three simple steps:
1. Don’t use ellipses after every sentence. It’s impossible to read. You look like a crazy conspiracy theorist.
2. Don’t call the team with baseball’s best record (and who has a 33-24 record against above .500 teams) a “bad team”
3. Drop the act. Literally no one believes you about any credential you say you have. None. And no one is buying that you’re an expert here. You’re a rambling mongoloid. Nothing more.
When you do this, maybe, just maybe, someone might actually give you some positive attention. Contribute something worth the while. TRY to sound somewhat intelligent. Again, no one is accusing you of being smart.
You wanted attention. You got your attention. Now, run back to whatever sewer you live in when the shelters shut off the internet and maybe someone will buy into that fake resumé you’ve put together.
And Go Giants!
First off u are so off course that it’s actually disturbing….u never served….I don’t even know if your dad did….
But I don’t get to decide whether I served or not….I spent 14 years serving my country….
The scores I listed above are true but without a college degree I couldn’t be an officer….my scores were high enough but I didn’t meet the other requirements….I dropped out of college and went back to work so I never finished my second semester….I literally only finished 1 semester and got through another half semester and dropped out….
I did serve in the USAF Security Forces for 9 years and in recruiting for 4 years….my last year was in IRR (Inactive Ready Reserves) so I was not active….so only 13 of my 14 years count towards retirement….if I was lying to u I would say I was a Navy SEAL Commander or a Special Forces officer….
I was just an E-6 in the USAF with 14 years of service….I wasn’t some elite soldier or elite airman or a high speed individual…..I was simply an average enlisted member of the USAF….I know guys that made it to E-7 in the time it took me to get to E-6….so nothing special there….
But I will tell u this….I did serve and u do not get to decide if I did or not….I don’t go around telling people about my life or my military service….but because u called me a thief and a list accusing me of stolen valor I had to correct u….all of my scores above are true and correct….
I picked up the …. from my boss in recruiting who did that in every text msg he sent me….he was an E-7 and had his associates degree and was working on his bachelors degree before his wife divorced him and turned his life upside down….
He is a smart man and was my mentor and even today now that we are both out of the military we are friends….he is in my fantasy baseball league and my fantasy football league and he has been since I served under him several years ago….we still talk or text about 2 times a week….and as I said I picked this up from him….the guy who made it to E-7 and has his associates degree….so this does not make either of us illiterate….it’s just how we write and text….
I cannot and will not violate OPSEC trying to prove to u that I am telling u the truth but I can say that while all military police wear vests now in the CONUS bases….that was not the case when I was Security Forces….
All military police wear vests overseas but in the CONUS only my base required them to be worn….that has since changed and u will notice that all military police wear vests even in the CONUS….
My base required it because of where I was stationed in the US….
U can ask your dad anything u think only a Security Forces member would know and ask me….I will give u the answer as long as it does not violate OPSEC….
If I was going to lie to u wouldn’t I say I was a Navy SEAL or an officer in the Army Rangers or that I served 20 years and retired?
Truth is I didn’t retire because I got out when my last contract ended as I didn’t like where things were heading around the world….
I owe u nothing and have already told u too much about my life….but I won’t stand by while a non serving idiot tells me that I didn’t serve and that I have a fake resume etc
U know nothing about me so u don’t get to judge me or decide whether I served or not….u don’t have the right nor do u have enough information to make that uneducated decision….
Everything I said above is true including my scores but if I was lying wouldn’t I have said I was an officer or that I had a bachelors degree or that I was something more than just a member of the USAF Security Forces?
Stop with the nonsense on a baseball site calling people liars and accusing them of stolen valor….
I don’t go around bragging about my accolades but I won’t stand by and allow a non serving punk to call me a liar about something I know is true….
Ask your daddy something that only a recruiter or military police would know and ask me anything and I will give u the answer of it doesn’t violate OPSEC….that is if he didn’t disown u….lol
Also Mr. Tourette’s….I was in the 90% group that said the Giants would finish 3rd or 4th in the NL West….90% group doesn’t exactly make me an idiot….lol
Most people had the Giants as a middle of the pack team in the NL….including myself
I didn’t they sucked….I said they were a bad team middle of the pack with no shot at the playoffs….in March and April that was the unanimous prediction for them….75-82 wins maybe 85 if they put a string of games together and got hot but with the 2 best teams in the league in front of them there was almost no shot for them to make the playoffs….
This happened with the Rays when the Yankees had the Red Sox were the top 2 teams in baseball and were supposed to have the AL East on lock down but the young Rays surprised everyone….this is similar however that Rays team was stacked with young talent and a deep farm and were much further along in their building process than the current Giants I mean that Rays team was legit….even in a division with 2 power house teams….
The Giants are in that same situation but with far less talent than those Rays….throw in injuries to 2 of the Padres top starters and the fact that Tatis missed some time and u can figure out why they have not lived up to expectations….then the poor Dodgers have been without Seager and Bellinger and Betts and Kershaw and Bauer and May….plus more and it makes sense why they too have been hurting in the standings….
The Giants have nowhere close to the talent that the Dodgers and Padres have and if all 3 were fully healthy all season we wouldn’t be having this debate….
But it is what it is and the Giants are a middle of the pack club in a division with 2 rebuilding teams and 2 teams that need a hospital in their dugouts….in addition to playing above their heads and I think 85% or 90% of baseball experts would agree with me….we were all wrong not just me….
I am right far more than I am wrong when it comes to baseball….so by saying they will be eliminated in the 2nd round is my opinion and probably the consensus opinion of most baseball experts….
I am not saying they suck.…the Pirates suck….I am saying that there are several teams better than the Giants in the NL and they have surprised most people….it’s a fair take
The best team doesn’t always win….the Giants have played way over their heads this season and have had bounce back seasons from a few players and breakout seasons among their starting pitching….
I don’t think they will advance past the 2nd round….a lot of people share this same opinion….it doesn’t mean I didn’t serve in the military or achieve anything great….
U are out of line to accuse me of stolen valor just because we share different opinions of the Giants….especially when my opinion was the consensus opinion of them to begin the season….
Just because they surprised everyone and are on top due to major injuries to the 2 power house teams in their division doesn’t make them WS favorites….the playoffs are a whole new animal and the Brewers and Padres and Dodgers all have far deeper rotations than the Giants regardless of regular season outcomes….those 3 teams are set up better than the Giants are for a deep post season run….
Trolling would be saying that Tyler Anderson is an ace because he was the #1 starter in Pittsburgh before getting traded to the Mariners….at best Anderson is a serviceable #3 on a decent team but more suitable as a #4….
Trolling would be saying that the Pirates are built for the playoffs….when they clearly are not….
Saying that the Giants have surprised 90% of baseball experts is not trolling….they have indeed exceeded everyone’s expectations….
That is not trolling….it is the truth 100%….
U can jump on the bandwagon and think what u want about them but don’t be disappointed when I am right….
“U are out of line to accuse me of stolen valor just because we share different opinions of the Giants”
Says the dude literally making fun of someone with a neurological disorder. Your attempt to find moral high ground is about as effective as your attempt to track down the remaining brain cells you have.
You’re allowed to think whatever you wish about the Giants. But when you come onto this site and arrogant prop up your nonsense, mostly because you’re starving for attention, don’t be surprised when that attention is negative.
You really are like that pesky bug on the windshield. No one can get rid of you, no matter how hard they try. The only difference is that most of us feel *slightly* bad when that bug meets its demise.
Run along now. I hear mom is making breakfast. You have a long day of chores and Call of Duty ahead of you! You’ll need your energy.
Making fun of people with Tourette’s is something only a very, very low person would do.
You should be ashamed of yourself, usafcop.
usafcop, you just said that the Giants were playing Astroball.
That is 100% trolling. There’s no other way around that.
@thestatbook123
You are correct. My bad.
The Giants are nowhere close to as good as those Astros. Facts.
Hard to compare the two teams.
The Astros were a powerhouse team and one of the best teams assembled in many years that cheated to gain an advantage.
The Giants are an overachieving team in first place because the top 2 teams in the division have suffered massive injuries to stars.
@thestatbook123
To be fair I just heard about the Tourette’s a day or two ago but had to listen to his false claims of stolen valor for the past 5 days so while it’s not okay to poke fun at someone’s illness it’s also not okay to accuse someone of stolen valor when they know nothing about the person they are accusing.
That said, we were both in the wrong and also to be fair he doesn’t believe I served in the military so why should any one believe he has Tourette’s?
I mean it’s the Internet.
@JohnJaso
It’s gone too far on a baseball thread.
If I was liking to gain false attention I would have said I was a Navy SEAL. The fact is that everything I posted about my military career is true and correct.
I do apologize for bringing up the Tourette’s though as that is not my place to do that. I mean regardless if you have it or not it’s none of my business so I apologize.
Take care JJ.
Well for starters, it would make zero sense for someone to lie about having Tourette’s online. What benefit is that to them? It would stand to reason that someone would claim to be military and the benefits of it.
As a veteran, you should be the bigger person. And as a veteran myself (US Army, retired in 1997), I’ll admit, your behavior is rather shameful. The whole “look at me, I’m so smart” act is pretty boisterous and unbecoming of someone who served our country.
If you want to be seen as intelligent, make it known in your discourse here. People will see it. Instead, you resorted to nonsensical comments and made accusations that the Giants are somehow cheating to be successful?
You’re a troll. You made trolling comments. And you got taken to task for doing so. Make serious comments and maybe people will take you seriously.
I hope you can understand why no one takes you seriously.
@thestatbook123
I know just as much baseball as anyone on here give or take meaning I am sure some know more and some know less.
My point of them overachieving is correct or they would have been favored to begin with. Not one expert had them finishing top 2 in the NL West. Nothing was wrong with any of my statements.
Furthermore I took that Astros garbage can post from someone else in the thread way up there to see if I would get more backlash from it and I did.
If someone that doesn’t know you tries to claim that you are committing stolen valor on a site that you frequent a lot wouldn’t you want to defend yourself?
I only said that “I am actually very intelligent” because he said that I wasn’t and that there is no way that I could have been in the military much less the USAF.
I am not a troll because I do not see the Giants getting far in the playoffs. If I were a troll I would say that the Pirates are going to be great and that they will make the playoffs next year and maybe meet the Orioles in the WS. Something that everyone knows will not happen. That is a troll looking for attention.
I was wrong about the Giants along with 85% to 90% of the baseball community. I admit they are playing well better teams have suffered huge setbacks like the Braves and the Padres and the Dodgers for instance. 2 of those 3 teams are right there with the Giants without some of their best players for chunks of the season. So how does that make me a troll? It doesn’t.
To be honest I like the Brewers rotation over the Giants in the playoffs and I also think the Marlins are in a better position rotation wise than the Giants for next season.
I honestly do not see enough talent on the Giants to get them past the 2nd round. Nothing wrong with that assessment either.
I could say the sky is blue or the grass is green and someone would argue about both statements.
I served in the USAF as Security Forces and as a recruiter. I worked in a global command center and I am currently an LPM. Sorry but one does not get any of those positions by being stupid or dumb or pathetic.
I defended myself by calling him out on his Tourette’s. That was wrong of me but prior to that he was the one calling names and accusing me of stolen valor. I apologized to him above but I guarantee I will not get an apology back when if I had an apology to begin with I wouldn’t have said anything about Tourette’s.
It is the internet so who knows why people lie online. But I’m not most people and I do not lie. Especially about something like that.
Saying that I am former military on a baseball site gets me nothing except grief. Saying you have Tourette’s could get you sympathy so it could go both ways.
You said that by saying that I am military I could benefit but that’s not true it actually bit me in the a$$. But his reason for not joining was believed and now he got sympathy from that comment. So he actually benefited more then I did. So your claim that being military can benefit you on a baseball site is untrue. But I’m not calling you a troll now am I?
If someone has a police record or something like that maybe it’s less embarrassing to say they have an illness or disease which is the reason they couldn’t get into the military. I don’t know and it’s none of my business so I apologized like an adult.
It’s not about look at me. I made comments that he put me down for when 90% of baseball experts had the same prediction that I had about the Giants but you don’t see him bashing them now do you?
I only mentioned my achievements because he called me an idiot and every other name in the book over a baseball comment. If you want to talk about being immature there you go. Like who does that?
But once I mentioned my long list of achievements he called me a liar and accused me of stolen valor. Nobody gets to tarnish my service record and my civilian accolades. Certainly not him. He never served. I gave him info only USAF Security Forces would know and information only recruiters would know. Yet I still got ridiculed and accused and called names.
Then and only then did I bring up his Tourette’s. Wrong yes. But he needed to know that I want going to sit back and met him tarnish was I accomplished.
I apologized even though he started the entire thing. So I am moving on from him and his false accusations.
I then sent Tim Dierks an email containing some pictures including my job history and military background. If anyone wants to question my military background or my high scores just consult Tim about it.
May peace be with both of you.
Stay safe out there as this Delta variant is no joke.
“My point of them overachieving is correct or they would have been favored to begin with”
This begs the question that you were right about their true talent level. What if they were better than you realize and that they aren’t overachieving. What if they’ve been underachieving for years?
“That is a troll looking for attention.”
Saying the Giants are playing the game the Astros are playing (in other words, CHEATING) is looking for attention. It’s also stupid.
“I served in the USAF as Security Forces and as a recruiter. I worked in a global command center and I am currently an LPM. Sorry but one does not get any of those positions by being stupid or dumb or pathetic.”
It’s pretty obvious that JJ is razzing you. He’s trying to show you as a weak-minded person, and you’re giving him what he wants. Again, if you want to be perceived as intelligent, make intelligent statements. So far, you’ve failed to do that.
JJ also never got “sympathy”. You tried to play big man and act like someone you don’t know wasn’t able to get into the military. JJ acknowledged why he couldn’t join. You then proceeded to mock him. I work with a guy with Tourette’s. If you mocked him, in any way, shape, or form, I’d knock your head so far back you’d think your a$$ was your forehead.
If you’re truly military, you can act like the bigger man when challenged. I served for a decade and was shot at in the first Gulf War. Anyone wants to challenge me on it, I don’t care. It’s their right. I move on. That’s what we do, son. And because of how weak-minded you continue to prove to be, I begin to wonder if you’re really being honest.
“I gave him info only USAF Security Forces would know and information only recruiters would know. Yet I still got ridiculed and accused and called names.”
No, you didn’t. All of the information you gave him is widely available, including Wikipedia. Literally all of it.
There are few secrets about the roles of our military personnel. We’ve had enough people come and go from those roles and there are enough family and friends. To think you’re privy to information no one else has is why I REALLY doubt you were ever military to begin with.
Or maybe you joined but they kicked you out because you’re too weak-minded and you just claim to have been in. That’s probably more like it.
But no, you don’t hold any information that no one else knows, nor is your knowledge of Security Forces proof you were ever in.
Seriously, go take a long walk off a short cliff. I’m embarrassed for you.
I didn’t bring up my Tourette’s for “sympathy” you insufferable, condescending gasbag. I brought it up as the reason I never joined the military. I literally couldn’t. And that’s what makes this funny: you and I both have served the same amount of time in the US Military! It’s remarkable.
Also, for your stated intelligence, you know nothing about Tourette’s. Not that I’m surprised, you know nothing about anything. But newsflash: Tourette’s isn’t just swearing. Most people with Tourette’s don’t swear uncontrollably.
So believe me when I say that I wouldn’t even mention Tourette’s if I didn’t have to. Mostly because grade A a$$ clowns like you mock people for it. Yes, it totally stands to reason that I would bring it up for sympathy, only for you to mock it. You try to act like there’s a benefit for bringing up a disability, only to proceed to mock it. Gee, dude, I wonder why people never bring it up online!
Seriously, you’re not just committing stolen valor. You’re also an awful human being.
Don’t give me some half-baked apology or grant me your shaloms.
If you want to amend your apology and make it right, do two things:
1. Retract your lies about your military service.
2. Admit to all of us that you’re utterly clueless about everything in life.
That’s the only way I’d ever consider accepting an apology from you.
Go away.
You are a douchebag like your daddy statbook lol….
Just wow….”we served the same amount of time”
You could only dream of accomplishing what I have. I sent Tim Dierks proof of my jobs and military background even though I didn’t have to….I owe you douchebags nothing.
So let me guess you believe statbook is retired but I never served a day in my life right?
Gtfo….I have no time for your childish games
I sent proof to Tim Dierks even when I didn’t need to and no u cannot find the stuff I posted as proof above on the Internet.
Mr fake retirement says you can find Cat 4 on a recruiting website. No you can’t it only recruiters that know we can get a male recruit in with a 26-30 ASVAB score. The Internet will not tell you that nor will it tell you why a female cannot enter with that sane score range.
Also Mr fake retirement said that on the Internet one can find that USAF Security Forces need 3 elements to exist before they can discharge their service weapon.
1) Intent
2) Capability
3) Opportunity
Try to find those 3 elements referring to SECFOR and the Cat 4 info regarding recruiting. Go ahead both of you.
I will not give anymore information about my career because I do not want to violate OPSEC….not that either of you know what that is….lmfao….
@Statbook
Wow “underachieving for years” lmfao
No the Giants have been a bottom 10 team for the past few years because that is their talent level.
This year is an anomaly type season with injuries all over the league.
I have 12 guys on the IL in one of my fantasy leagues that have 30 man rosters….that’s 36% of my roster injured.
In another league I have 9 guys on the IL with 28 man rosters. That’s just over 25% of my roster injured. It’s been a weird season.
None of you had the Giants finishing above the Dodgers or the Mariners having a better record than the Twins so stop acting like you know so much….you don’t….
Literally 90% of baseball experts had the Giants finishing in 3rd or 4th in their own division. So WE were all wrong not just ME.
They were not “underachieving for years” they just sucked….and now they are taking advantage of other teams missing star players….
They are overachieving and most baseball purists know this.
Either way it doesn’t give some turds online the right to tarnish my military accolades.
Neither of you get that right. You guys are flies on the wall or old gum on a shoe. I owe you guys nothing and already shared too much. I sent in pics of my job history and military experience to Tim Dierks.
I didn’t need to do that but I’m not gonna be told I didn’t serve when I know I did. I’m literally looking at my wall right now with pics of me in my uniform lol.
“Knock your head off”…..okay anger management….calm down….first off that’s only an assumption….you don’t know if you could do that because you don’t know who I am or my skill set. So stop assuming. It’s unbecoming.
Lastly….I don’t go around doing crazy things like some veterans you see on the news every day. Yet they are veterans but not me because I do not buy into the Giants success okay Sergeant Major Sir….lol
Veterans do bad things every day in the real world and it makes me sick….but I am not one of those bad seeds….I am actually one of the good guys with at least 17 or 18 police officers cell numbers in my phone because of my job. I am one of the good ones not a crazy vet doing crazy things.
Neither of you get to take that away from me because we disagree about the Giants. Wow the maturity level on here I swear.
When the Giants lose in the 2nd round will that make me a military veteran again? Gtfo u clowns….no one and I mean no one gets to tarnish my military career we have enough veterans doing that on their own.
I am don’t with both of you….and for the record JJ was calling me a loser and a lie life long before I heard of his disorder. So I mean it’s not like you guys were trashing me all along because of that.
You guys disagreed with my take on the Giants and made the “assumption” that I couldn’t possibly be military….yet veterans are doing crazy things every day in the real world.
I’m not one of those crazy ones. I just don’t believe the Giahts are as good as they have been playing and I am not alone in saying this. That doesn’t mean either of you get to tarnish my military service which was happening long before the Tourette’s was mentioned by JJ.
So am I not military because I said something about his Tourette’s or am I not military because I disagree about the Giants success? I’m confused. I think everyone is.
You both realize the chaos that my fellow veterans are causing every day. I catch them shoplifting for heavens sake. Again I am one of the good ones and just because I do not agree with either of your takes on the Giants doesn’t mean that I wasn’t military. That is crazy.
We can disagree about the Giants and we can disagree about what color the sky is.
None of that give either of you the right to accuse me of stolen valor. You wouldn’t to my face so stop acting tough online.
I served until I knew it was time to get out. I wasn’t kicked out. I can still get back in but I don’t want to. I served my time. Most people do not.
Veterans are out there committing crimes every day….does that make them non veterans? I’m trying to figure out your mindsets.
Vets do bad things on the daily.
I disagree with your takes on the Giants so I’m not a Vet? What I’m confused lol.
Do you not hear how that sounds?
Oh I get it I’m not a vet because I mentioned his Tourette’s 1 time 2 days ago….nah that can’t be it because I’ve been getting accused of stolen valor for 6 days now. Long before the Tourette’s was even mentioned.
So I am confused ?????
Anyways no one can bring up JJ’s Tourette’s or your anger issues but it’s okay to tarnish my military service record.
I am literally looking at my REDD response right now and my DD214 and my NGB-22E and my ASVAB line scores because my gf just brought my 4” military binder to me and asked me “are u still arguing stub those goof balls online”….she gets it lol
I am done with u guys….I didn’t say much about his Tourette’s to even warrant an apology but I gave him one anyways without getting one back about the names he called me and the things he accused me of long before I even heard of his Tourette’s.
He obviously isn’t man enough to realize he was in the wrong mire so than I was but whatever that’s okay he has u to argue for him….all of a sudden about 2 days ago or so u popped up.
Go back and read the things he asks about me before he brought up Tourette’s. This was his fault yet I apologized. In my book that makes me the bigger person.
Now go away both of you while I reorganize my military binder.
I have my PQR in back of my family readiness info sheet and my REDD response next to my Biographical Sketch. It’s been a while since I opened this binder up. I need to organize it….
See ya….
@Statbook
I literally just looked up Cat 4 (aka Cat IV) and it is online. However what isn’t mentioned is why it’s there and who it’s meant for.
Also the Security Forces info I gave can also be found surprisingly.
I guess in that aspect you were correct by saying that so many veterans have come and gone and the information has already been leaked. At least I didn’t violate OPSEC.
Anyways yes I was wrong about the Giants being a 75-80 win team. But so was 90% of baseball experts so there’s that.
Yes I was wrong for thinking that information couldn’t be found online. Call the cops about it geez. We are all wrong from time to time.
I manage 5 fantasy baseball teams and I have 2 fantasy football drafts coming up on top of looters and common thieves and ORC groups trying to hit my undermanned stores….
Now I have to reorganize my 4” military binder….
I do not have time to be googling stuff. But to be fair I knew all those things before I googled them 7 min ago.
Also both of you can ask like I’m this rotten guy foe bring up his Tourette’s literally 2 days ago but I have been getting accused of stolen valor for 6 days now and called every name is the book because we didn’t agree about the Giants….are you kidding me?
I didn’t need to apologize for anything but I did because I am a good person obviously the better person.
Had I not mentioned his Tourette’s I still wouldn’t have gotten an apology think about that for a minute.
Regardless if I brought it up or not I was not going to get an apology from JJ who clearly started it….that sums it up right there and that was long before I even seen the Tourette’s comment about not being able to join….but then he added “may not have anyways as it’s a personal choice”….
It was a personal choice of mine to let my contract run down as well. I did do a 1 year extension for the IRR….but that does not count towards my retirement or “good time”.
Nobody gets to dictate whether I served or whether statbook served or whether JJ has Tourette’s or not. Nobody.
U can think what you want but you don’t get to accuse me of stolen valor when I spent 13 of my 14 years serving. I won’t take credit for the last year. But I did my time and served proudly.
I do not commit crimes or go off the deep end like a lot of vets.
Anyways take care guys and be safe out there….
I’m gonna finish my binder as my girl friend of 14 years is volunteering to help me to get me to stop arguing with clowns literally making fun of me for arguing with what she says is probably young kids online. She could be right based on your guys knowledge of baseball…..
Anyways gotta run….after I do this I need to do chores outback in the yard and then get ready for tomorrow as it’s a workday (yay me I get to feel with tweakers) lol….
Hell I treat the shoplifters better than u guys treat me and I’m a veteran and an LPM….
“Retract your lies about being military” Wow
I’m doing so I would be lying so no I cannot do that….I will not lie and say I was not in the military because a couple of minor leaguers on here think I am lying….
Gtfo….
Wait, you sent your credentials to the founder of this website, just because? Seriously… (also, you literally said this 3 times, twice in the same comment. You’re spiraling, little guy).
Are you that small as a person that you need random people to believe that you were the military equivalent of a mall cop? LOL.
Also, none of the things you said (SECFOR, the three elements, Cat 4) are at all military secrets. They aren’t impossible to find. Anyone with access to Google could find them in seconds. And if they were, and you were throwing them around on a baseball website, you’d be in serious, serious trouble. Drop this stupid game.
Intent, capability, and intent is legitimately basic risk management assessment. It’s not unique, in any way, to Security forces, or even the US MIlitary.
CAT IV is just the category of folks who ranked low on their ASVABs. It simply means that the Army only enlists 4% (hence IV) of the lowest ASVAB scorers. That’s it. Again, you knowing this isn’t proof of anything. You’re literally just spewing a bunch of gobbledygook and hoping no one actually catches you.
This is the most common indicator of stolen valor. You say a bunch of random military jargon online: REDD report; discharge papers (DD214), your separation record. NGB22 which apparently is National Guard. You said you were USAF, now you’re National Guard??
Your words and defenses mean nothing to anyone here. It’s a bunch of nonsensical lies. You don’t owe me anything because you don’t have anything to give me. You can say whatever you wish, but it’s all lies. Again, you’re spewing big terms like OPSEC and CONUS like you’re some sort of ex-military intelligence expert, and like we don’t know what they mean.
CONUS is just continental United States. That’s literally it. You tried using it to make you sound smart.
In order to violate OPSEC, you’d have to give information that could jeopardize a current mission. What you’re really saying is you don’t want to give us any more personal information. OPSEC isn’t an exclusively military term. It applies to anyone who could be a target in an online hack or phishing attempt.
You keep using these phrases like no one knows what they mean, or again, like they are some sort of high military intelligence secret (which if that were the case, you wouldn’t be using them). Again, they aren’t. They are easily accessible by literally anyone with a keyboard.
“am I not military because I disagree about the Giants success?”
I don’t care about your opinion of the San Francisco Giants, regardless of how stupid it may be. That’s not my reason for calling out your nonsense. You’re not military because you’re not military.
Maybe you were once a Weekend Warrior (hence the NGB-22E). But you weren’t MP, you weren’t USAF Security Forces. You never once qualified for Special Forces, or anything of that magnitude.
The reason you keep bringing up a Cat 4 is probably because you were one (My guess, you were actually Category V).
“Now I have to reorganize my 4” military binder”
Wow, you went out and bought a 4′ binder to put your paperwork in? Dang. I should have done that. A 4″ binder would look a lot better on my bookshelf than my 2″ binder (which is perfectly adequate, FYI) which is somewhere buried in my storage unit. I gotta step up my game.
“I do not have time to be googling stuff. But to be fair I knew all those things before I googled them 7 min ago.”
I actually believe you on this. I think you’ve been spewing this lie for years now. And you haven’t been called out for it (mostly because you have Low-T and won’t dare step on a real military base and say you’re Security Forces), so you keep it up. You’re being called out now, and you have done nothing but spiral.
“I sent my credentials to Tim”
“I have a 4′ military binder”
“Here are a bunch of things that you’ll never know, because only security forces know. Don’t try and Google them, they aren’t there.”
“I’m so smart, I have 5 fantasy football teams.”
It’s extremely juvenile, pathetic, and frankly, disgusting behavior. But I’m not surprised, because it’s the type of behavior I’m used to seeing from ants like you who try and use the name of our military to gain clout online.
If you want to prove me wrong, email those same credentials at the username followed by gmail. We both know you won’t.
And upon showing these to my colleague (I own a Vinyl store, yay for me!) who is getting a hearty chuckle over this, he mentioned something interesting: “he talks just like my autistic son”. And he’s right.
I don’t say this to mock you or belittle you, but because it further gives me more information. And because I’m going to choose to bow out of this, lest I get accused of bullying you. You can’t seem to handle this discussion anymore, and I’m getting tired of the stolen valor act you’re pulling. I also don’t want to bully an ASD person here.
So I’m bowing out. Feel free, if you want, to email those “credentials”. Again, it’s my username, followed by the google mail domain. I’ll be waiting for them.
Enjoy your chores, son.
Why would I ever apologize for telling the truth? You have lied about your military record and you got caught and called out for it.
Asking someone to apologize for that would be silly. So you’re definitely correct about something… finally… I was never granting you an apology. Again, why would I?
Then, upon getting called out for your stolen valor, you proceeded to mock someone with a disability. I don’t care if you were “angry” or upset. You showed your true colors. You’re actually a bad person.
So now, you’ve lied about being intelligent, about being in the military, and about being a good person.
When will the lying stop and the truth come out?
Also, you haven’t been getting called out for stolen valor for 6 days. You posted the comment 5 days ago. That is, unless other people elsewhere are calling you out as well, which, if true, is great. More and more people need to call you out for this.
I made the first comment about not believing your credentials 4 days ago. So once again, lies. Is this all you do? TELL THE TRUTH.
Also, I didn’t link your stolen valor to your opinion about the Giants. In fact, had you not wasted your time saying that you were Wicklander-Zulawski certified and acted like it was some prestigious thing I may have actually believed you.
For what it’s worth, you can take WZ courses online for about $400. Congrats, your Paul Blart job paid for you to take classes on “non-confrontational interviewing and interrogation technique.” Did they also provide the Segway, or did you buy that out of your minimum wage paycheck?
When you passed that off like it was some sort of huge accomplishment, I knew I was dealing with a total fraud. Every word you proceeded to type only helped me confirm my suspicion.
Or when you tried telling us information that only Security Forces would know, despite it all being readily available online? Yeah, more evidence.
So yeah, no apology will be given to you until you start owning up and being truthful here. You came onto this site to troll. You weren’t successful, but wanted attention anyway, and then you pretended to be in the military to try and act like the big hotshot.
This is the accurate portrayal of what happened here. And you failed massively. I return to my comment: you’re a colossal failure at life, so much so that you have to pretend to be someone you aren’t in order for anyone to pay attention to you.
Honest question:
Does your “girlfriend” know you bought those BDUs at the Army Navy Surplus store? Are you going to tell her? Or is she not even real?
You’ve played your hand here very poorly. I kind of feel bad for you, but only by a small amount. But hey, at least I can read your comments and say, “well, life may be tough, but at least I’m not THAT guy.”
So you help others with their self-esteem. You’ve accomplished something. Congrats and goodbye.
(Did you get all the attention you craved?)
Holy run-on Batman!
After finishing LE school in the USAF….I attended ABGD in Fort Dix, NJ
When I got out of the USAF I took a break from the military….
I re-joined the Army National Guard in my hometown….got into recruiting which explains how I have both a DD214 and an NGB 22E….
Most of the people I served with in the Guard served in another branch at one time or another….it’s very common….
Not sure if they have ABGD anymore but that was good enough to carry over as army training so I did not have to go to army basic training when I signed up….just my AIT for my initial job in the army….signal support system specialist….then the recruiter that signed me up got me a gig working for him….as AGR….
ABGD was taught by the Army on how to defend a military base. It was roughly 6-8 weeks long and counted as my basic training when I joined so I avoided having to go basic training twice….hooah….
I remember when I was USAF and my commander was a major he said do not pull anyone over that outranks him because we had to call him if we did….lol
I remember recruiting in the army at Dustin Pedroia’s HS and we spoke to the baseball coach….he said Pedroia wasn’t even the best player on the team….the best player got into drugs and that was it….
Anyone can read off military documents I suppose but they cannot share experiences that only I would know about while serving….
I don’t owe either of u anything….write to Tim and ask him if what I say is true….I sent pics to him using the email that I signed up with….it’s more than I should have done to prove 2 trolls wrong….
No Segway but the W-Z training is nice to have and it works with your everyday tweakers but not u 2 guys….because u can talk big online….
$28 per hour is hardly minimum wage but okay….that’s roughly what I make….
I was getting wrongfully accused of stolen valor and called every name in the book for what 5 days not 6 my bad and that was before Tourette’s was even typed on the screen…..
So don’t cry over it….it was a defensive mechanism tired of your BS….
Think what u want to yourself
U are welcome to your own opinions but u do not get to tarnish what I have done….
By me pointing out ways to prove it to u I listed things I didn’t think u could find on the internet….times have certainly changed but by no means did “I get caught”
I have 100% been honest yet got called every name in the book and called a liar and accused of stolen valor for 5 straight days….what would any of u do?
I don’t have anything to prove or to apologize for….u both do though and I guarantee it won’t happen….
Yet I am the bad person?
50 years old with no police record
14 years military
7 years in loss prevention
Over 15 police officers numbers in my phone
Yeah sounds like a real bad guy….lol
“Lied about being intelligent”
My 121 GT score says otherwise
“Lied about being military”
My service records prove otherwise
“Lied about USAF SECFOR”
My DD214 literally says the job on the left hand side of the page….
I didn’t get caught in any way because u are both wrong….even down to my scores I have been 100% truthful….
I also didn’t lie about how many days it’s been that was obviously me saying it feels like I have been on the defensive for 5 or 6 days which is longer than the 2 days since Tourette’s was brought up….
I swear u guys could literally have my documents in your hands and accuse me of them fake lmfao….
Don’t know what else to tell u guys except that I am 100% being honest….and have nothing more to prove….
I think by now I proved far more than u disproved….far more in fact u have no proof otherwise….zero….
Far more proof points to me telling the truth….
Some people’s kids I swear….
1) 90% of baseball experts were wrong about the Giants….including me
2) everything I said was true and correct
3) I only brought up being former USAF because I got called stupid for not believing in the Giants….
4) I owe u guys nothing….I already said far too much about my career and achievements….
5) my gf won’t stop laughing because she said I’m arguing with kids online….and added what does your opinion of the Giants have anything to do with your military career and I can only tell her it doesn’t have any bearing on it….I was just letting them know that I am intelligent and she says who cares what they think we know the truth….facts
@thestatbook123
I sent proof of everything to your Google account….
Now please apologize as I was being 100% honest….about everything I said….I don’t lie unless it’s to my gf if I eat the last of the brownies or something like that…lol
Also I went far beyond what 95% of the population would do so obviously I am not a bad guy….
But when someone tries to claim that u are a liar and accuse u of stolen valor u can say some mean things….or worse if the person has anger issues but I do not….I simply do not like being accused of lying and stealing etc….
Also for the record….I never said that I wasn’t also in the Army….I didn’t tell u guys everything I have accomplished just some of the things….that does not make me a liar in any way….
Just because I said that I have a DD214 and an NGB 22E doesn’t mean that I lied….I just didn’t bring it up initially….
As I said I only told u guys some of my accomplishments….not all of them and I didn’t feel the need to mention the Army after already mentioning the USAF….as the USAF is much harder to get into….meaning that u need a high score to get in….
I didn’t see how the Army would help me on that one seeing how someone can get in with a 31 or even lower because I am male….
I picked up the whole …. habit from my boss the now retired E-7 who also happens to be my closest friend….we game together snd he is in all of my fantasy leagues dating back to 2007 I think….we have friends for 14 years now….he was my boss for 3 if those years snd he always text me with the …. in between sentences
I am smiling right now….when u actuality see my documents the look on your face will be priceless….
All the mean and hateful things both of u said are far worse than the 1 comment that I made about Tourette’s….not to mention that comment came long after both of u were harassing me and accusing me of stolen valor….just wow….
I don’t lie….and when I said I don’t have a whole lot of time to be googling stuff I already know that is exactly what I meant….
Why Google the answer to something that I already know? I didn’t think that stuff was on the Internet but I am older now snd times have changed I guess. This is the only thing that statbook got right so far. The the list of things that I thought weren’t viewable to the public actually are now….
I took the time to Google them and found them and said u were correct. That doesn’t mean that I lied about my career. It simply means that I didn’t know that stuff was on the Internet….I don’t spend my days googling things that I already know. Not many people do.
Still I won’t get an apology or anything close to one which prove who the bigger person was.
Again I only brought up being USAF to counter JJ’s comments about me being an idiot etc….
It’s not even like I barely got in the USAF….I could have had just about any job I wanted but I chose security forces formerly known as security police….
When I got out of the USAF and went back to my hometown I took a break from the service….then after a few years I missed the camaraderie etc so I looked around for a USAF reserve center and couldn’t one near me so I joined the army National Guard in my city as a reservist and worked in communications and logistics before my recruiter approached me and asked me if I would like to work with him full time so I jumped on it….
Too much detail for any of this to be a lie even without my documents being sent to statbook….
Also JJ….I didn’t make W-Z sound prestigious….I was just letting u know that I completed the course which is highly recommended for LPMs and we do not make minimum wage….lol
The pay is usually between $22 and $32 per hour for an LPM….I make roughly $28 per hour….in salary though
My job in the command center paid $22 per hour and it was like NORAD….we had several large screens to monitor with several cameras on each large screen….best job I ever had because I didn’t have to deal with shoplifters lol
But I got offered more to be an LPM so I took it. I miss the other job however even though I made less money.
Anyways take care guys and thanks again for bashing me and accusing me without any evidence to make that assumption….
Mic drop….now nothing but silence….calm your critics….boom
Still nothing huh….
I could literally say something about the Giants that 85% of the baseball universe would agree on (that they far exceeded their expectations) and get verbally abused and called names every day for 6 days straight but the minute I show proof of my accomplishments (proving that I was not lying) the thread goes quiet….not even an apology….wow
1) it’s a free baseball site to share comments and opinions on
2) I frequent the site daily to check recent rumors etc but rarely post because of the backlash from some people on here that would argue the color of the sky
3) people will bash u and call u names but when u show proof even when u don’t owe it to them u get no apology
4) everything I said is the truth (no lies told)
5) JJ started it all because I mentioned that the Giants were playing over their heads (most would agree seeing as how they are on pace to win 15+ games more than expected)
6) I simply stuck up for myself not wanting attention but rather letting him know that I am above average intelligence again not for attention
7) I got more backlash from that comment and called every name in the book
8) showed proof and got no apology whatsoever when I didn’t owe any of u an explanation
9) this was not for any attention (negative attention is all u will get on the Internet these days) I know this so it was not for attention
10) I have never stolen anything in my life especially any kind of valor or economical status.
Mother. Of. God. 15 replies LOL
Also, I got the emails. (They all went to Spam, which is super fitting)
Here’s some gemzz from those emails:
1. He begged me to clear his name. BEGGED.
2. He’s Loss Prevention at JC Penney LOLOLOL. The same JC Penney that just declared bankruptcy. I promise, Gary, you’re not making $28/hour at JC Penney, or Kohl’s, or Nordstrom Rack.
3. He sent me a picture of his “office” at Nordstrom Rack. Yes, SO MUCH like NORAD. Seriously, if you think that NORAD is like the loss prevention room at a department store, than you are less intelligent than I originally supposed.
4. He sent me some obviously doctored forms he’s claiming are military. The only one that is remotely legit is his National Guard papers, which makes sense. National Guard guys claim to be USAF and Army all the time.
This guy is a lunatic who is desperate to be believed. His FIVE (5) EMAILS and FIFTEEN (15) REPLIES on this post are only further proof. My goodness.
This guy is insane.
Statbook u are a clown and here is why….
The pics that I said looked like NORAD were not my LP office but the command center that I worked at….
I didn’t beg u to do anything I simply said please clear my name as I have not stolen any valor…
The documents are 100% real and if u in fact were ever in u would know this….anyone can tell they are real but I blacked out my ss# except the last 4 so u could see the papers matched
Same first name and same last 4….other than that not doctored….
Furthermore I didn’t say I made $28 at Penney’s lol
I made $16 at Penney’s part time while working in a command center full time making $22 per hour….I worked both jobs concurrently….meaning at the same time if u didn’t know what that meant and it doesn’t sound like u would lol
I make $28 at the job I am in now as an LPM and that job like 95% of the population is not in my resume because I am still in that position….
I did think yo myself or post it somewhere on here that u could literally have my documents in your hands and still not believe me lol
I knew it because I know your type….I gave u more information about myself than I have some of my closest friends and I didn’t need to….
Why would I send u fake documents and doctored papers etc? I wouldn’t.
To date I have not told one lie but just because u and JJ do not believe me doesn’t mean I lied….it just means u guys aren’t smart enough to tell if someone is lying to u or being honest….I can right away and even without me sending my documents my stories that I can remember from both the USAF and the guard cannot be made up just like that….to real to be lies….
Oh and FYI….the national Guard consists of soldiers that came from all over….I served with former navy and army and marines and USAF in the guard so saying that National guard like to claim they are from other branches is actually a dumb statement and an uneducated one too….
“Why would I send u fake documents and doctored papers etc?”
Because you’re a classic stolen valor person. Of course you’d fake documents. I had my buddy (works at Fort Leonard Wood) run your name through various military databases. Only Gary Jones that matched any of the info (none matched 100%) died a few years ago.
Also, your multiple emails threatening me just further proves how insane you truly are. You are mentally, emotionally, and socially unstable. I genuinely feel sorry for anyone who has to come into your presence, and also fear for their safety around you.
Thank you for exposing yourself as the fraud you truly are. We didn’t need the help, but you gave us plenty.
I didn’t beg u for anything
I sent proof when most wouldn’t
I asked u nicely to clear my name on a public chat not much to ask seeing as u have my real documents
I won’t even get an apology either lol
Real mature for a “retired” army guy….
U do realize that I said I got a 121 GT score on my ASVAB right?
For the record what does my REDD response say on the left hand side? 121
How did I doctor my paperwork to match what I said and send a photo of my 4” military binder that u made fun of thinking I didn’t have one….just wow
U have been wrong on all counts guy while I have been 100% honest about everything down to the lines scores….
So wait my National Guard NGB22E looks legit but not my USAF DD214?
Check the first name and last 4 on both again….that’s what I thought….
I proved myself and will therefore clear my name myself and call u guys out for falsely accusing a veteran of stolen valor….
I am hereby cleared of this nonsense….and if u keep it up u will both have defamation of character law suits on your hands as well as being banned from this site….
Nobody would have gone as far as I did to prove myself….
Just because u don’t have my most current job on my resume doesn’t mean anything it simply means I haven’t updated it….
How many people on here have a resume with their current job on it? Seriously guy u are off base….
Both u and JJ can take a hike as I know what I have accomplished
Think about this for a minute….
The NGB 22E looks real but the DD214 doesn’t yet the info matches last 4 of ssn
Think about this….how did I print out a W-Z certificate with my name on it dated what last year?
His about my FB page which literally matches my resume up to my last job before I took the LPM position….
Geez guy come on I mean I shared stuff about myself that even some friends don’t know….
Too much evidence and experiences that I mentioned points to u being wrong….so just hang it up….u lost man….
The evidence is in your hands and u still accuse and bash….cyber bullying at it’s finest lol
Get a clue smart guy….I proved that I was being 100% honest so just stop the act and admit that u were wrong and even an apology would be nice but it won’t happen….
Oh and again I didn’t beg u for anything I just asked if u could please clear my name as it’s the right thing to do especially if u have an ounce of integrity….do the right thing man just say u were wrong….
I will leave this here but don’t u think if anything that I said on here was a lie I would have already gave up? I mean why risk getting into trouble over stolen valor?
Wouldn’t I have walked away gracefully by day 2 of this nonsense to avoid getting caught up in lies which I have not yet been caught in 1 lie….
I think anyone impersonating a veteran would have bowed out days ago….I simply don’t like people tarnishing what I accomplished
Think it to yourself u have that right but u do not have the right to accuse me on a public forum and call me names and ridicule me when u have zero idea what u are talking about….
Even without my documents the experiences that I shared in detail cannot just be made up….too much detail because it came from my memory bank of actual events that took place….
I deserve an apology but that would be too much to ask of someone like either of u so maybe just an admission that u were wrong because everything I said about myself u have proof of….
Line scores
W-Z certificate
Discharge papers
Pics of my LP office
Pics of the command center
Pic of my 4” binder with docs inside
What else u do want? My old AKO log in info? My full SS number?
Yeah right too much has been given out already when I don’t know anything about u….so buzz off
I have been 100% honest….whether u believe that or not is your option but if u continue to accuse me of stolen valor it will not end nicely for u….
Defamation of character
Banned from trade rumors
OH NO. Whatever will I do if I get banned from MLB Trade Rumors??? Or threatened by Gary Jones, stolen valor punk and former Mall Cop, as of 2019.
And it’s funny that you’re acting like your credentials can’t be made up WHEN YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE MADE THEM UP.
Again, you’ve shown everyone here that you’re an unstable person. How and why would we suddenly trust you? Why, after all this lying and deceit, would you expect anyone to believe you?
The multiple threats of violence you’ve made in private emails, the obvious (and incredibly poor effort) job at doctoring military forms (you could do a better job on Microsoft Paint). You’re an unhinged person and can’t be trusted with anything. Whether that’s telling the truth about your “military career” or your baseball takes.
And for what it’s worth, I’m far less concerned with your nonsensical baseball takes as I am your stolen valor. You’re emotionally, mentally, and socially unstable, and you should seek help.
This has not been good for you, Gary. This has actually been very bad for you. Not only did you expose yourself as a guy who knows nothing about baseball, but it ended up exposing you as a fraud who claims to be in the US Air Force.
I’m embarrassed for you. Completely embarrassed. But I’m also praying for you. I hope, sincerely, that you receive the help you need. For your sake and your family’s sake. Please get help.
Best of luck, Gary.
Multiple threats of violence stop your damn lying guy it’s not becoming….all I said is if u sell my personal data it won’t end nicely for u….I think that goes without saying….I trusted u and sent u 100% real military documents to end this nonsense of stolen valor that u quickly called doctored….lol
Then u said u believe the National Guard part but fail to mention that on my NGB 22E it states that I received an Air Force training ribbon only acquired from being in the USAF….not to mention my first name and last 4 of my SS# matching on both discharge papers….which 100% proved that I served in both military branches….
To top it off I sent u pics of me on FB where I am in military uniform in 2012 not to mention tagged in posts with my squad in 1999….u can read the comments below the pic that will prove that I am in the pic….I even gave u access to my FB page….that is far more than anyone else would do in this situation….
I gave u access to my FB and sent u pics of me in uniform from 2012 and tagged posts from 1999 as well as my documents….the only thing tampered with on my documents was my full SS# and my last name….other than that an educated person could clearly see that that documents are 100% true and correct and not fake in any way on top of the pictures I sent that would have been enough for “most” people….
I still can’t get over your lie that I begged u to clear my name….I said “hey can u clear my name on the site now that u have proof” then said “thanks”
That is not begging or pleading just asking u to do the right thing (it’s called integrity)
Usually when someone accuses someone and ends up being 100% wrong they apologize….they don’t turn around and lie and say that person begged when they were simply asked to do the right thing….
I have the same emails as u do guy….u want to talk about lying let’s send our emails into Tim Dierks and let him decide if I was begging u to clear my name or simply asking u to do the right thing seeing as how I sent enough proof to counter your false allegations of stolen valor….
Let Tim quote what I said and everyone in here will know u are a liar….I didn’t beg u for anything….I simply faked it u could do the right thing….and said thanks….
I have been 100% honest about everything but u have not….I literally sent u documents that u continue to call doctored….that’s a lie
U said I begged….that’s a lie
U said I committed stolen valor….that’s a lie
Is that all u do? I swear between u and JJ u guys lie more than the shoplifters I catch….
FYI….I haven’t been a mall cop since I was like 26 years old in between the USAF and the National Guard….so u got that right I was a mall cop but that was 24 years ago….lol
I sent u the inside of an LP office and my badge….I sent u pics of the command center I worked in and my most recent resume from 2019-2020….
I didn’t update it recently because I am currently employed….
My FB page matches everything I have said….do u see any comments on my page with people asking “when were u in the USAF” or questioning any of my other jobs….
I have not lied and I went far beyond what anyone else would done yet u still get on here and claim stolen valor….lmao
U literally seen me in my uniform in a tagged photo with my name in it….gtfo
U can lie about that all u want but I know the truth and so does everyone that knows me….
Next u will say that I doctored the pics that someone else tagged me in….lmfao
U got proved 100% wrong while I proved that everything I said was 100% accurate yet u cannot admit it on here and instead resort to lying and saying that I begged u to clear my name….
As far as I’m concerned my name is cleared and if u keep up the false accusations I can forward our email correspondence to Tim and once he looks at all the proof and the pics and reads your accusations he will immediately see that u are the troll snd that I have been out of line.
U did not expose me as a fraud in any way….
U didn’t prove anything nor can u because I am being 100% honest and have been from the beginning….
U claiming to expose me as a fraud is also an outright lie….that is a countless amount of lies from u not me….as I said I have been 100% honest and proved it….when I didn’t need to….furthermore if I was committing stolen valor and got called out on it I round have bowed out by day 2….this is now going on day 8….u think I would go this far to prove myself if I was lying? Wow
Lastly my baseball comments have no bearing on my military status when there are literally 100’s of veterans on the news daily for doing horrible things on base and off base….
So veterans can go commit horrible crimes but they can’t post something on a baseball site that u disagree with? Again gtfo….
Oh and FYI the Dodgers are right on the heels of the Giants without Betts and Bauer and Kershaw and May and at times without Seager and Bellinger….
Take Gausman and Yaz and Crawford and Posey from the Giants for 2 months and they wouldn’t even be in the race….
The Dodgers are hurting and yet they are in the doorstep….give it time they will pass the Giants proving that I know baseball….
But hey u will just say that I never said that and that I am lying about saying the Dodgers are better than the Giants….I could send u the color of the grass in my backyard and u would argue over the color
U are immature and spiraling downhill fast trying to grasp at straws….
Your last email to me after I sent u pics of me in uniform u said “either way if u were military or not u are still a POS”
So now I’m a POS even though I proved that I wasn’t lying….lmfao….I swear some peoples kids….
U do realize that I wouldn’t have went on these long rants had u and JJ not falsely accused me of stolen valor right?
Meaning that had u not falsely accused me of stolen valor I wouldn’t have acted the way I did in response….
U can think to yourself whatever u want to but I sent more than enough evidence to prove my innocence….
Take my documents to the VA and ask them if they are doctored in any way aside from the obvious where I blacked out most of my SS#….
I am actually registered at the VA and I have my discharge papers on file with them in the case that I ever lose mine….
I also got my COVID vaccine shots from the VA in town….I have the piece of paper to prove it which u could only get from the VA if u actually served….
Anyways take care and as far as I’m concerned my name is cleared….I’m walking away with the truth while u hop on and continue your lies….wow
I deserve an apology but I know I won’t get one….but for u to just say “I admit I was wrong” would go a long way….
Either way though I know the truth and I know that I have been 100% truthful in everything that I said….so go ahead and lie more because it’s only making u look bad not me….
Take my documents to a recruiter or the VA….u won’t though because by now u know I’m not lying but u are in too deep to turn around now….spiraling or like Shane Falco says “quicksand”….
Take care liar….
Why would Tim Dierkes need to get involved in a case of someone committing stolen valor on his comment boards? He’s got enough stuff to worry about, Gary Brown. He doesn’t need you to dump a bunch of stuff in his lap.
And let’s talk about the email dump. You literally sent me the following:
-The last 4 digits of your SSN
-Paystubs showing how much you make
-Questionable documents detailing your military record
-You gave me your age and job background
-You told me what city you lived in
-You told me what college you attended
-Pictures of your “girlfriend”
-Pictures of your son
-And so, so, so much more.
Seriously. If you want someone’s information, just accuse this dude of stolen valor. It’s incredible how small of a person you truly are. Out of anger, you sent a random internet stranger significant levels of personal data about yourself. For what? Because I questioned your military record?
It’s legitimate insanity. But also, if anyone wants a data dump, let me know.
Too much for too long.
Crawford has gone 4-4 tonight against the Mets. Climbing over .300 BA. Who was that saying he’s over the hill?
Everyone as recent as last season….lol