SEPTEMBER 9, 5:40 pm: Jon Heyman of the MLB Network reports that there’s only “an outside chance” deGrom will make it back this season.
SEPTEMBER 9, 4:45 pm: deGrom released a statement to reporters (including Mike Puma of the New York Post) this afternoon addressing his health status. “I know what was said and my ligament is perfectly fine. I have been throwing and I wouldn’t be if I had a compromised ligament. That’s the plan to continue to throw and build up and see where we end up.”
SEPTEMBER 8: Mets ace and two-time NL Cy Young winner Jacob deGrom hasn’t pitched in a game for two months now. The Mets, in somewhat typical fashion, have provided vague updates on his health throughout the process, repeatedly citing clean MRIs while simultaneously pushing back throwing sessions and shutting him down for additional spells to provide further relief from the inflammation in his elbow.
However, team president Sandy Alderson revealed to reporters last night that there was indeed something more concerning at play, though he insists the issue has now “resolved itself” (link via Newsday’s Tim Healey). DeGrom, according to Alderson, had the “lowest-grade partial tear” possible in his right ulnar collateral ligament.
That’s a much different outlook than was provided by manager Luis Rojas and acting GM Zack Scott, both of whom said at different points in the recovery process that there was no structural damage in deGrom’s elbow. Scott said back on July 30 there was no damage in the ligament, per Healey, and Rojas made the same assertion on Aug. 13. Clearly, surgery was not deemed necessary in the end, and Alderson insists that the ligament is now “perfectly intact” after two months away from game action. Nevertheless, it’s a rather perplexing contradiction from prior messaging on deGrom’s prognosis.
Any mention of even slight UCL damage for a pitcher is concerning — particularly when it’s regarding someone who has already undergone Tommy John surgery once in his career (prior to his MLB debut, in deGrom’s case). Alderson’s insistence that this is essentially a non-issue at this point could be taken as a sigh of relief for Mets fans, but those comments will be ripe for scrutiny if this does ultimately prove to be a more serious situation down the road.
At last check, the Mets had suggested that a best-case scenario for deGrom would be to appear in a few games late in the season — likely only in “abbreviated” fashion. The latest comments from Alderson don’t do anything to change that trajectory, but the transparency into deGrom’s diagnosis lends some critical context and clarity with regard to the team’s cautious approach in handling him.
DeGrom, 33, has pitched 92 innings this season and logged a superhuman 1.08 ERA with similarly absurd strikeout and walk percentages: 45.1 percent and 3.4 percent, respectively. He’s still owed $64MM from 2022-23 combined (albeit with $27MM of that sum deferred 15 years), and his five-year, $137.5MM contract also contains a $32.5MM club option for the 2024 season. He can opt out of the remaining guaranteed year following the 2022 season.
The Mets trail the Braves by four games in the National League East and are three and a half games behind the Padres and Reds in the Wild Card standings.
I’m unsure that I will protect him on my fantasy team. Hope he doesn’t need surgery!!
For fantasy, half a year at what he did easily should have netted you a few wins. Him for fantasy for half a year is a keeper in my book. In reality though, it’s a troubling thing unless he stops throwing 102 and stops throwing his slider at 98/99. Bring them down a little, yeah you might have a 2.50 era instead of a 1.02, but hey, I’d rather him extremely good for a full season than godlike for half the season.
You’re forgetting the Mets score somewhere between 0 and 1 runs when deGrom pitches. He has to shut the other team out
So basically the manager and the acting GM just straight out lied about deGrom and deGrom himself said nothing. Why not just come out and admit he had a slight tear and tell the fans he’s going to be shutdown to see if that helps?
The Mets want you to Trust them Now even though they have been untruthful with everyone prior. So much for Transparency.
Mets 5 games back now with 21 games left. I hope the Mets do the smart thing and shut deGrom down for the year. Why risk it?
This reminds me of Garrett Richards circa 2016 – 2018.
Not sure it’s the type problem that shutting him down makes a difference. If it’s healed, it’s healed. If not, slight UCL tears aren’t really the type thing that pop in the middle of a game. I get where you’re coming from, but I don’t think it’s that type situation.
Sandy needs to go.
If it wasn’t so much war lost to crazy things like
Anthrax and the bubonic plague Mets would be winning the national western division by at least 17 and a half games
You honestly think the Braves would be in front rn…
Idk I don’t think much separates the best version of braves Mets and Phillies ! I also don’t think guys like Jeff McNeil jd davis dom smith an even Michael conforto are close to as good as most fans want to believe ! The team has one star position player who played well below superstar status they have another near star in Alonso and the rest are just solid players to average guys ! And the starting staff it’s degrom aa a star and not much else to bank on including walker and stroman ! Tyler megill might be something good though
The Braves aren’t healthy either. Give it a rest.
Acuna isn’t that good though ! Mets22 would take Brandon nimmo over him without hesitation
Healthier… key word.
@MetsFan22…deGrom can be the greatest pitcher in the game and he still only pitches in 20 percent of the games. Acuna is an everyday player and arguably top five in MLB. There is a huge difference. Also, let’s not forget that the Braves did not have a legitimate catcher or left fielder for three months and center field was being covered by an overachieving backup (Heredia).
Bro Degrom isn’t the only one that got hurt……
“deGrom isn’t the only one who got hurt”
Not a single position player the Mets lost to injury is as good as Acuna.
You’ve come back down to Earth your team is piss poor from the ground up
Why does he need to go? Because he gave actual insight into Jake’s diagnosis? Sometimes, as a fellow Mets fan, I cringe to read the comments section in fear that you’d be posting some unfounded nonsense.
No not at all. He just needs to go. Didn’t even read the article just glimpse Sandy name and wanted to say this.
MetsFan22
Didn’t even read the article just glimpse Sandy name and wanted to say this.
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Isn’t that not more than a little inconsistent?
During the off-season, and through much of the 1st half, it seemed to me like you were bragging that the Mets were the best team in baseball. So were they:
1-The best team in baseball, but someone besides Alderson gets the credit?
2-Or not the best team in baseball?
It feels a bit like the conundrum that RS fans have had. Some of them thought that Theo sucked, Tito sucked, that Henry was a skinflint, and that Boston in general sucked. And they never once could explain why we won so often.
Chaim !
Just kidding I don’t really get the schtick of just saying chaim but it seems to be effective trolling Jared carrabis so it works
Yes Sandy has made bad moves for the Mets.
He should go.
I think Alderson made GREAT moves this off-season. Where would this team be without Pillar, Villar, Loup, Walker, Stroman, Peraza and so on.
He made some great moves but deceiving fans as to the nature of deGrom’s injury is a very bad thing. “Bad optics” as he would say, at the very least.
CHEMICALS IN CLUBHOUSE DISPENSED BY TRAINER BOYS.
OF COURSE HENRY WAS UNAWARE.(wink, wink)
BIG BLOATED CHEATER TO HOF? DONT BET ON IT! A Disgrace to Yaz, Ted, Pesky, et al.
Sandy should’ve never been brought back
I think bringing back Sandy was necessary to get ownership approval from MLB. if you remember there was a question of whether Uncle Stevie would get approval.
This. What Cleonswoboda said.
That was mere rumor.
He’s NOT Going …
If Anything They’ll Kick Him upstairs like They Did with Frank Cashen
who are you? an imposter!
Alderson lying to MetsFan22 to keep them off the ledge and in mom’s basement as a keyboard warrior, protecting the rest of society.
You’re the true hero, Sandy.
Got to prevent those fatal jumps from the basement ledge.
Gold!
I am not Mets fan, but why chance it?
I would say so they know the extent of the injury. After all this rest if the slight minimal tear is true, he should be able to go at the end of September.
It would be nice to know if Tommy John is necessary at the end of September rather than in spring training 2022. That’s my guess.
They have a distant shot at the postseason. He’s not eligible to return til the 13th and they have five games (Marlins, Yankees) until then. If they lost all five, I imagine they’d shut him down. But as long as they’re within striking distance, they’ll put him out there for a couple of starts.
After deGrom comes back, they play the Cardinals, Phillies, Red Sox, Brewers, Marlins, and Braves. If they want any chance of making the playoffs, they’d need deGrom.
deGrom will at most be a few inning reliever. He isn’t going to go more than a few innings every few days. He hasn’t face live pitching yet how is ready to even come back on the 13th? I don’t even recall that he is pitching off the mound.
A Dodger troll who thinks he knows what will happen to Degrom. Tell us what will happen to your illustrious & less than ethical Bauer. When it comes to Ozuna, stick a pin into what you don’t understand.
Whoa. Another Dodger lover.
He’s clearly saying if degrom makes it back this year it would only be in relief. Why would he mention Degrom’s lack of live hitters if he was trying to make a “going forward” career-long prediction?
I believe it’s called ‘winning the division.’
The Mets won’t be competitive again until 2024, at the earliest.
All teams should be shipping their pitchers out before they hit free agency, under no circumstance should a team sign a pitcher to a deal that pays them more than arbitration would call for. The injury rate with pitchers in this league has reached a point where it’s plausible to treat them like consumable paper goods you keep in storage. When one runs out you discard and replace it with another.
You know, basically what the Rays are doing.
Every organization in MLB should study the Rays. Management there has found a way to compete on a budget. This is a product of outside-the-box thinking that also produced the “opener.” Perhaps overspending will continue for a while with big market teams, but the Rays (and possibly the Giants) are showing everyone else how to operate in the current MLB climate.
Giants like the dodgers can incorporate both the so called moneyball Tatics with big market spending ! Huge competitive advantage and why giants not Padres are Dodgers likely biggest in division threat to precent a potential dynasty ! Giants are just behind right now with their moves
Oh but also pay for hitters and spend conservatively on pitchers
Draft bitching, pay for hitting. Sounds like the right formula to me.
I’m a dedicated Padre fan and have been since their inception. 1969. To be a San Diego sports fan is to know suffering intimately. That said, the last two years have given us hope. This year has been somewhat of a disappointment with all the injuries to our pitching staff. September will tell the story. We have to face the Dodgers, Giants, St. Louis, and Atlanta to finish the season. Everyone has written us off. This month will be a defining period, and will be either a plus or minus to begin the 2022 season with. We’ll see how big our collective heart is starting tomorrow night in LA. Go Padres.
I was a big Padres fan in 1984 and can still name most of the starting lineup. I might have been the only man in Detroit rooting for the Padres. Ugly uniforms though.
In 84 the Tigers swept the Padres in their first World Series. They got back to the WS in 98 against the Yankees. They lost 4-1. It’s been mighty lean sine then, but there’s a light. I’m 73 and want to see them win it all before I go.
Oh man, I loved those unis!
Unfortunately the game is fairly random. Most baseball narratives are wishful thinking superimposed on a set of facts.
The Rays strategy would not work in larger markets where ticket and jersey sales are a huge concern. I’m not saying it’s not smart or that it doesn’t work, I’m just saying some teams need to market their stars.
You don’t think Randy Arozarena was marketable last post season?
You don’t think Wonder Franco would sell jerseys in a big market?
The dodgers literally took the rays style and perfected will mixing in big market spending and trades
You’re missing my point. Everyone on the Rays is marketable. But the Rays have no problem getting rid of big names. Something that wouldn’t fly in NY for example.
The Dodgers have 5 players on their roster making over $30m this season.
They have a payroll of $253m this season.
I don’t think the “Rays Style” means what you think it means.
How many rings have the Rays won?
Rays can’t afford to pay anyone they much, it’s not strategy it’s necessity.
Big markets have the luxury of being able to spend more,but it’s harder to rebuild. Patience is something they can’t afford due to the demands of the market.
Ah yes, the simpleminded “the only measure of success is a championship.”
Tell me, dodger 1958, how many titles did the Dodgers (started in Brooklyn) have in their first twenty-three years? Oh, it took them longer? Huh.
They also had guys like Justin turner , max muncy and Chris Taylor producing huge returns for little money! They. Regularly have a strong farm system and player development things as well ! They can do what the rays but also afford to keep the guys when they work out and also add to it
One of the Dodgers execs came from the Rays, right?
The matt kemp for grandal was a. Rays like trade ! The trade of puig wood kemp and farmer was a classic rays like trade ! Wait till they flip bellinger to someone like orioles Indians or Marlins for something good !
Yes and the right hand man to Friedman until he left for the giants cams from Oakland
@Von: ‘But the Rays have no problem getting rid of big names. Something that wouldn’t fly in NY for example.’
If getting rid of those players came with fielding a perennial contender, the fans would get down with it. Winning solves everything.
The Matt Kemp for Grandal trade was like 7 years ago.
The Dodgers most recent trade was giving up two major league ready prospects for two months of Scherzer and a season plus of Turner.
Before that they traded Verdugo and Downs, took on Price in order to land one season of Betts.
The last 2-3 years the Dodgers have followed less and less of the long-term build model
As a Mets fan, you know the media would kill the team for getting rid of talent. It just wouldn’t fly.
Tell me Sideline, how many people were saying we should model our team on the Dodgers were constructed and run? Or they are the best run organization? Oh, no one. Which is my point.
Or… 50% of the championship dodgers 40 man was already home grown, so they traded from positions where they already had young homegrown and/or star players to fill other needs…
Ya know, reality?
“How many rings have the Rays won?”
Ironically in Super Mario 64 you have to swim through the Manta Ray’s rings to get a star. This is relevant because it involves rays, rings and something ALMOST as ancient as the last Mets title…the Nintendo 64.
Who cares if the fans “kill” the team. They’ll get over it if the team succeeds. And some folks will just complain no matter what so why even try to please them?
Does anyone know how much the Rays take to the bank each year? All this talk about small market budgets. Profit sharing, tv/cable revenue…there’s so much more than just ‘in person’ revenue. Rays probably have a heck of a lot more profit margin than most teams. Maybe they are just better at their business management than other organizations?
Not sure if it has to be reported, but they certainly get a lot of “free” money from both types of revenue sharing
Go look at the giants payroll the last 4 years
They’re not the Rays
I said as much the giants and dodgers can incorporate the athletics and rays style of drafting and developing , they can continue to churn the bottom of the roster Via waivers or minor trade giving shots to guys who should be given more opportunities and when it works out they can afford to keep the guys ! They aren’t the rays bc they the best of both worlds !
Aj preller isn’t waistline his time with guys like muncy or wade jr ! Ditto for dave Dombrowski, those are examples of big market teams that apply no rays or athletics principles
Noel I am not sure the Rays and As couldn’t be spending a lot more right now but chose not to. Certainly the proposal to create a 100 million floor by MLB might suggest otherwise. Particularly if most of the teams adhered to the luxury tax limit of 180 million. Though we know of the Union was amenable to lowering the luxury cap it would be higher than 180 and the floor would more than 100.
I mean, the giants are winning largely because star guys are having amazing, late career rebounds. And then zaidi is great at filling holes. But the bones of the giants team was put on the field in 2020+2021 with money, not just playing a bunch of scrap heap guys 0-6 service time& the draft. 80% of their rotation walks in a month
Dude, you act like a waiver claim is expensive. The majority of the time, it’s the remainder of the year at or near the minimum
are there exceptions? Sure. But guys being claimed team to team from AAA roster to AAA roster really aren’t risking a lot of money. They’re just more actively managing their team, and taking advantage of most front offices laziness on the waiver wire
So you prefer the money to go to a billionaire owner’s pocket than you know…. the actual players that play the game?
It’s not a binary thing, owners can get money and players can still be compensated fairly…but I do not have an issue with the people that put up the capital and assume all of the financial risk realizing a return on that investment.
What a dumb comment, tesseract. I never get that attitude. Why not just rather have the money go to YOU?! If your gonna have an absurdly childish opinion, why not go all the way? Why should baseball of all places be the spot where we implement some type of steroidal form of communism that would make the sport’s finances impossible? No, instead give all the money to the players and then watch the sport collapse cuz that fantasy makes. no. sense!
Shut him down, can’t risk it with the best pitcher on the planet
Wow! If he were to need TJ surgery, this would mean he wouldn’t pitch again till he is almost 35.
So a tear to his UCL that they denied existed has now healed itself? Got it.
Sorry, but you got that wrong. The injury didn’t heal itself.
It resolved itself.
Any doctors in here want to tell me if you are better off with an injury that healed itself, or resolved itself?
I’m not a doctor, but I think his elbow just needed a sabbatical – and it’s now in its transcendent phase.
The mets appear to be in a state of disarray, serious.
Whom is in charge over there? Ya know? Everyone issuing statements or addressing the media about pretty much whatthehellever. Cohen, Scott, Alderson, Rojas; Dissolute power corrupts dissolutely?
I think they should give DeGrom one start before the season ends, just so he doesn’t have to worry about it over the winter. Any time around 9/10, 9/11, or 9/12 seems to work.
I think having him come out of the pen for now is the better idea. He won’t need to fully stretch out since there aren’t many games left.
@JoeBrady: he’s on the 60 day IL. Not eligible until 9/13.
But that’s after the Yankee series is over. That doesn’t work for me. It works for both of my fantasy teams, but I’d surrender either of the two teams if he could beat the NYY on the 12th,
How is deGrom even near ready to pitch to MLB hitters when he hasn’t even ramped up to pitching in the minors in a rehab assignment?
This may not “resolve” to your satisfaction.
Cole might miss some time. Worry about your own team.
Salty Mets fan.
I just knew the news about Cole would brighten up your little day, @mf22.
But that does help the Yanks mWAR. That’s how the World Series winner is determined, uh? “Missed war”. You must find it unsettling that the rest of MLB continues to play the games while ignoring that all important “stat”.
Classy as always too.
By the way, the Mets aren’t even in the top 5 mWar anymore, but MetsFan22 is holding onto it for dear life.
Man.
Now we are all using mWAR. But I see his dilemma. Stripped of his precious mythical metric, he will be confronted with the simple fact that the mets just simply aren’t very good.
“Missed projected WAR” reminds me of one of my sales guys. Every time I see him he’s telling me about some “huge job” he’s about to land.
Yet: I never see those contracts let alone build said “huge jobs”.
Neither are real.
That reminds me of the good old days. One of the local managers would predict $4M in bookings for the following month, and my boss was willing to wager that he wouldn’t even hit $2M. And I had to remind them I needed to put a report together for Japan, and would prefer to not look like an idiot.
He’s actually a pretty decent sales guy.
But he calls me up about a “107 square shake roof with 32 full frame windows”, which would – indeed – be a nice job. However, before we talk about how to build it, let’s have the contract first.
Even if I believe you. And you’re right… they were number 1 for the whole year…. Damage already done… once month of them getting a little healthier wouldn’t change anything .
They didn’t even play their worst baseball during that month. Haha. Arguement makes no sense. They’re playing well now against the Nats and Marlins. Hopefully they carry some of that momentum. They can make a run.
I’ve calculated my own mWAR. I figure the Mets won an extra ten games at least by not playing me.
Real baseball fans worry about the league as a whole, not exclusively for the team they root for. They also don’t get giddy when opposing teams’ players get hurt.
I certainly never want to see anyone get hurt. But, typically, I’m only concerned with other teams insofar as how they pertain to the Yankees.
Shallow, I know. But I’ve made peace with it, @YBC.
@Ducky That comment was for MF22.
This sounds an awful lot like Dinelson Lamet last year. The good news for Mets fan is Lamet skipped surgery and has put together 36 solid innings this year.
Oh wow. Good comp. I was fully expecting surgery, but this is a recent example of the opposite of that.
Mets are a freaking clown show.
deGrom is 33. He has had one TJ already. Another elbow surgery in 2016. If he needs a second TJ he may never pitch again, or if he comes back, never be an elite hurler again. Regardless of what happens in the near future, with his age, elbow history and the attendant uncertainties, the Mets shouldn’t be counting on him to be their ace.
Alderson needs to go simply because this year has shown that the LOL Mets moniker what not all on the Wilpons. How DeGrom’s injury and other to Mets players this year was handled is eerily similar to Alderson’s first go around as the GM. BeyondtheBoxscore said it the best:
“One of the main criticisms was the team’s handling of injuries; their seeming hush-hush nature with the press started as a mere flesh wound, then a short DL stint, then a season-ending surgery in a flash. It’s unclear their strategy here was something deliberately wrong, or just bad luck.”
The Mets organizational culture is just downright dysfunctional. Their vetting process for hiring high-profile staff stinks and I question what went through their minds at the trading deadline, As the head guy, the buck stops with him.
You are preaching to the Choir jwt Hans Christian Alderson’s The Emperor’s New Clothes is the biggest Fraud in Baseball.
It looks like the Rochester Rabbits are in shambles. Yes, that’s what we’re calling them now.
How this team is not in last place is a truly astounding achievement
It’s far more entertaining this way. False hope.
R.I.P.
It’s time for another round of MetsFan22 Fest of Tears. Come and experience the tears and excuses flowing like the Mississippi River! Don’t get to close though. You’ll get swept away by the flood that gushes out from his own foolish predictions despite how stupid it is to call the Mets a lock for the division and how they are better than the Dodgers. Yes, it happened here folks. The best days for MetsFan22 passed by August. Come see how impervious MetsFan22 is to facts. Ain’t nuttin’ getting through that iron dome MetsFan uses for a head. =)
I guess we can renew the “vintage deGrom” vs “1968 Bob Gibson” debate next year.
I knew Bob Gibson and Jacob Degrom is no Bob Gibson!
I think bringing back Sandy was necessary to get ownership approval from MLB. if you remember there was a question of whether Uncle Stevie would get approval.
RIP Jacob.
Another prediction by @MetsFan22 that went horribly bad for the Mets.
Supposedly deGrom was already a lock for the Hall and didn’t need to do anything else for the rest of his career. He got injured the very next start after @MetsFan22 made that assertion.
Whew….Whose got it worse? Mets fans having @MetsFan22 or Marlins fans with Anthony Bass?
Both teams have a major troll on this site. I call it a wash
He is still a HOFer
Does he have enough longevity? Either way, @MetFan22 clearly needs to stop his predictions.
Who?
No way. On what basis? Because he’s in New York? Not a HOFer.
Every time a pitcher has mysterious “forearm pain” it turns out to be UCL sooner or later. I figured the Mets were hiding it so they didn’t get held up on trades.
It’s strange how starting pitchers are treated differently than relievers when it comes to the Cy Young award. Dennis Eckersly won his with around 80 innings pitched and also the MVP that year. But deGrom and Corbin Burnes are not considered as strong candidates because Wheeler and others have thrown more innings. mlb.com/news/corbin-burnes-cy-young-case
Wins no longer matter, innings pitched no longer matter, it is only a popularity contest and deGrom is the most popular today. If he wasn’t in THE highest media city, he would be much less popular and more deserving pitchers would get the award. Give me 10 wins, pitch 5-6 innings and play for a lousy team and you win an award. Just hand out participation awards to all starters would suffice in today’s society.
While I agree with you that it’s mostly a popularity contest, it seems that only strikeouts ERA and WAR matter to voters. I guess they are the pitcher’s sexy stats like home runs OPS and WAR are for hitters. If you are from a small market you have a much lower chance of winning MVP or the Cy Young.
Who is running this franchise?
Team says player not hurt
Team then says player was hurt, but good soon. Not now, but soon
Player then says no, I’m fine now
Umm. Jacob doesn’t sound very happy right now with what’s been said to the media. May be time to start opt out watch
Now THIS is where a LOL Mets mention would be appropriate.
Saying/speculating anything about a guy’s UCL in the media other than “100% fine” or “totally blown” is like a reporter asking a player if he has the yips
You just don’t do it. ESPECIALLY if it would be TJ #2
Reminds me of when Garrett Richards was with the Angels. His UCL took forever to tear bad enough that surgery was done. He ended up missing tons of time with PRP injections that didn’t work and wasted the prime of his career on the DL in limbo.
Mets were a shiny new train being driven by a drunken conductor. Sexual harassment and a DUI by those in the front office. Mr. Smiles signs a hefty lifer contract, doesn’t produce much and gives a big thumbs down to the fans. Keep Degrom on the shelf until he’s 100%. It’d be too risky to bring him back for a stretch run and jeopardize next season.
Is the drunken conductor… Cohen or the GM?
Ah never mind. When you have to ask, there’s no good answer
Obviously, somebody is lying about deGrom’s arm.
The front office. It’s the front office that’s lying.
But why?
Habit. Alderson was the Wilpons’ shill for almost a decade. He lied for them, sold his reputation to them… that he has a single defender anywhere is shocking.
No reason to run DeGrom out there again this year. The Mets are done.
Mets aren’t done yet. As long as the Braves and Phillies keep losing to subpar teams, Mets still have a chance.
Welcome to the NFL season, Mets fans. Giants or Jets? The baseball season will turn over to the Golfing season October 4th. Two struggling teams head into a Subway Series which could decide the fate of their manager for next season. Either Cohen or Steinbrenner could very well push their skipper onto the tracks after this weekend.
Did anybody else enjoy the Marlins beating the Mets?
Man, that April game still lingers in my mind and I’m glad the Marlins got their payback.
I did. Imagine how bad it would’ve been for the Mets this year against the Marlins if Bass wasn’t handing the Mets some games.
Like I said after that first series this year – the Mets did not look good against the Marlins. Now granted, the Marlins are a bad matchup for the Marlins because of the way both teams are constructed, but if you’re an elite team, you should not be looking this bad against any team, and no team should be exposing your weaknesses this much.
I agree with MarlinsFanBase…
“Now granted, the Marlins are a bad matchup for the Marlins because of the way both teams are constructed,”
I still can’t undertand why he only posts on Mets threads?
Every time there is a thread about his beloved Marlins MarlinsFanBase is no where to be found? He can only find enjoyment bashing other teams and their fans; what a sad and pathetic life.
Kind of scary too how he always stalks Bass?
Marlins are certainly a bad matchup for the Marlins. That’s because they’re always playing with themselves
That was a typo. You both know that. The Marlins are a bad matchup for the Mets. But I admit that was a funny typo and deserving of some bashing. Even I’m laughing at my gaffe.
Is my correction better?
As for Bass, the guy is one of the worse pitchers we’ve had in our franchise’s history. He is worse to us than Armando Benitez was to you Mets fans. You were all justified in bashing that guy the same way we are justified in bashing Bass (like we did with Kevin Gregg, Renyel “Ford” Pinto and Heath Bell).
Time to bump the pitching mound down to a flat surface. Much less stress on the pitcher.
sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/03/080323210203.htm
I’m sure Sandy didn’t believe he would be involved with baseball operations at this point. Not what he was brought here for. I’m just thankful we have someone with Alderson’s pedigree to at the very least step in and keep things going. I can just imagine how much worse it would be with Jeffy boy still calling shots.
@Cohens_Wallet: Alderson is the front office equivalent of Dusty Baker on the bench., Solid reputation. Has seen a lot and can handle the criticism and still keep things moving forward. The team lost its “stopper” when deGrom would go down, and the rest of the staff like Stroman and Walker didn’t have the same energy to feed off of, and crumbled somewhat under the pressure of having to carry a team that can’t hit in critical situations. McNeil was another catalyst but has not been a catalyst at all this year. The rest of the team cannot hit situationally, and keep repeating their same hitting mistakes (into the shift, not being able to hit to the right side to move runners over, etc.). Lots of head scratching decisions made by Rojas (it should have been Tony DeFrancesco’s job BEFORE Beltran.) No matter. Assess the talent in the system now, Project some off-season needs. It should be a better off-season if Sandy brings in a vetted and competent GM right at the beginning, well before the Winter Meetings. then he can step back or out.
Sets the stage for Syndergaard to open for deGrom. But the way this team has failed to produce with runners in scoring position is the key. Tonight again, Alonso triples snd they fail to get him in with no out.
That is bad but in today’s Braves they had the bases loaded no outs and didn’t score a run. Another game down by one run Eddie Rosario hits a double and gets thrown out trying to stretch it to third. So it happens to everyone.
Bottom Line is Rojas has to go
NL Least
All is welll for my mets
“Well” is spelled with two ‘Ls’ – not three. But I imagine you’re so used to the Ls at this point that you’re adding extras to everything you post.
And to answer your question before you ask it again. Yes, the Marlins are still bottom feeders. This has been shown in how they keep feeding on the Mets. If we didn’t have a Bass on our team, the feeding would have been even worse this year.
Spelling advice from a person who writes:
“Now granted, the Marlins are a bad matchup for the Marlins ”
Constant stalking of Bass is really alarming???!!!
@MarlinsFanBase: Even with your “rebuilt” team, the Marlins are still 10.5 games behind the Mets in the standings. Bash the Mets all you want. Seems like there are at least 7 other teams are laughing at you: the Yankees, the Cardinals, the Red Sox, the Reds (now that’s a real rebuilt team), the Nationals, the Pirates and the Rockies. When you figure out how to beat them and stand above the Mets in the standings, go ahead and post. Also, this is the first year of new ownership for the Mets franchise. There has been some good and some bad, and it will end without a wild card game, But it seems better than the Wilpons with BVW at the helm acquiring the players he used to represent. Derek Jeter is deservedly in the Hall of Fame for his playing career, but he is finishing his fourth full season in the Marlins front office. The Marlins have played .402 baseball (210-313) in those four years.. Why do you sound jealous of Mets fans? Is it because they populate the stands down there in Miami when the Marlins host the Mets? I don’t understand it.