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Reds Rumors: Castillo, Bullpen, Garrett

By Steve Adams | November 18, 2021 at 9:30am CDT

It was only natural that after waiving Wade Miley and trading Tucker Barnhart within hours of the offseason opening, rumblings of the Reds being open to further cost-saving moves would emerge. However, despite early reports that Cincinnati will at least listen to offers on righty Luis Castillo, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports that it’s “doubtful” the 28-year-old (29 next month) will ultimately change hands.

This marks the second straight offseason that Castillo’s name has surfaced in trade rumblings, which only makes sense given that it’s also the second straight winter punctuated by cost-cutting measures in Cincinnati. General manager Nick Krall has already stated that the Reds “must align our payroll to our resources.” While no specific number was provided, that certainly doesn’t bode well for Reds fans — particularly when taken in conjunction with the aforementioned Miley and Barnhart transactions.

Rosenthal’s report is likely reflective of what is surely a sky-high asking price for the talented Castillo, who racked up the eighth-most innings of any pitcher in MLB last season (187 2/3). While Castillo’s 3.98 ERA looks more solid than dominant, it’s skewed a bit by a rough start to the season from which he recovered rather emphatically.

Sporting an alarming and uncharacteristic 7.22 ERA through the end of May, Castillo looked on his way to a lost season. From June 1 through season’s end, however, Castillo rebounded with a masterful 2.73 ERA with a strong 26% strikeout rate, a 9.4% walk rate and a massive 59.9% ground-ball rate. That recovery salvaged Castillo’s 2021 season and brought his ERA over the past three campaigns to a sharp 3.61 mark through 448 1/3 frames.

Controlled through 2023 via arbitration, Castillo is projected by MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz to earn $7.6MM in 2022. He’d be due one more raise for the 2023 campaign, likely taking his salary into at least the $11-12MM range — still an eminently reasonable price to pay for a pitcher of this caliber.

The Reds and other clubs likely view Castillo as a pitcher capable of taking his game to yet another level. While his results over the past three seasons are quite strong already, the makings of a top-of-the-rotation starter are seemingly present. Castillo’s 97.3 mph average fastball trailed only Sandy Alcantara and Gerrit Cole among qualified starters this past season, while his 13.1% swinging-strike rate (a down mark, by his standards) ranked 10th. Castillo also sports an elite ground-ball rate, a well above-average strikeout rate and typically limits hard contact at a high level.

The extent to which owner Bob Castellini is seeking to reduce payroll will determine the urgency when it comes to moving Castillo, but even if Krall and his staff feel compelled to move him eventually, the return would be considerable. (As a loose comparison, recall that the Blue Jays traded 2020 No. 5 overall pick Austin Martin and well-regarded pitching prospect Simeon Woods Richardson to acquire what was then 1.5 seasons of Jose Berrios back at the trade deadline.) Even if teams feel it’s “doubtful” the Reds actually trade Castillo, they’ll surely still try to pry him away — just as they’ll likely do with righties Sonny Gray (guaranteed $10MM in 2022) and Tyler Mahle (like Castillo, controlled via arbitration through 2023).

Krall, however, didn’t focus on subtracting from the roster in his most recent public comments. To the contrary, the GM spoke with Bobby Nightengale of the Cincinnati Enquirer this week about a need to “rebuild some of the bullpen” after seeing Mychal Givens and Michael Lorenzen reach free agency and losing Tejay Antone (Tommy John surgery) for the 2022 season.

Heading into the 2022 campaign, the most experienced arms in the Reds’ bullpen group will be Lucas Sims, Amir Garrett, Luis Cessa and lefty Justin Wilson, who exercised a $2.3MM player option at season’s end. Righty Art Warren, he of a 1.29 ERA and 34-to-8 K/BB ratio in 21 innings after being claimed from the Mariners, should have a spot locked down as well. Krall offered plenty of praise for Sims and Warren, also adding that righty Tony Santillan may be stretched out as a rotation candidate in Spring Training but could yet end up in the ’pen.

Perhaps most interestingly among Krall’s comments — which Cincinnati fans, in particular, will want to read in full — was his rather noncommittal stance on Garrett. The 29-year-old southpaw was one of the Reds’ best relievers from 2019-20, pitching to a 3.03 ERA with a 33.3% strikeout rate (albeit against a 13.3% walk rate).

Garrett, however, was clobbered for a 6.04 ERA this past season as his strikeout and walk rates went in the wrong direction. Projected for a $2.2MM salary in 2022, Garrett looked like a possible non-tender candidate in the first place, and Krall’s assessment that he’s “in our bullpen at this point” wasn’t exactly an emphatic vote of confidence. The GM did go on to eventually call Garrett a “quality member of the bullpen that should be able to help,” but between his struggles and projected salary, Garrett doesn’t feel like a lock to return.

Lower-cost paths to improving the depth — Krall specifically mentioned waiver claims — seem a likely path for the Reds moving forward. It’s certainly possible they’ll add a veteran reliever on a big league deal if the asking price isn’t too lofty, and any additional trades could bring back some MLB-ready bullpen help as part of the return. At the very least, the Reds seem likely to bring in a couple of new arms to compete for bullpen jobs, but Krall’s offseason comments and actions to date don’t portend significant spending.

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  1. bucketbrew35

    4 years ago

    Doubtful he will change hands? So all of a sudden Krall actually wants talent back for his good players? That’s certainly a switch.

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    • iverbure

      4 years ago

      How many of these teams who aren’t ready to win like the reds that go out one year randomly because they’re impatient and spend a bunch of money on free agents ever make the playoffs? None or is it none?

      If the gm needs to sign a bunch of guys just to make the playoffs he shouldn’t be allowed to sign those guys to begin with.

      For all the people on here who hate prospects and say having the number one farm system shouldn’t be the goal a ring should be. There’s been 3 recent examples of the number one farm directly leading to a ring a short time later.

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      • VonPurpleHayes

        4 years ago

        I don’t disagree with anything you said, but you can also point to perennial bottom feeders who have nothing to show for it. You can’t just be patient and magically get better. Sometimes top prospects don’t pan out or fail to develop. Winning takes a combination of development and spending.

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      • nukeg

        4 years ago

        Yep, Von speaks the truth. I think the entire city of Pittsburgh would agree as well.

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        • Orel Saxhiser

          4 years ago

          The Phillies are an example of doing it the wrong way. Develop your foundation first, make major FA signings later. No team has ever won a championship via a spending rampage. It doesn’t happen. The Dodgers added Betts to an excellent team and won the World Series. The Phillies signed Harper and have yet to make the post-season. I’ll take what the Pirates are doing under Cherington over teams like the Phillies and Mets trying to spend their way out of a hole.

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        • bucketbrew35

          4 years ago

          Actually I’d argue that the 2009 Yankees fall into that category.

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      • earmbrister

        4 years ago

        Yeah, I don’t see it as a random one year push. The Reds pushed their chips to the center of the table only for Covid to decimate their operational income. Timing is everything in life, and their timing sucked, but none of us knew what was coming. Cincinnati has a young core and an excellent young rotation, with two Frontline starters waiting in the wings at AAA. If their SS and CF of the future have bounce back years, they’ll be in business and will hopefully commit more resources then.

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    • Dbird777

      4 years ago

      C’mon. He asked for the moon from teams last winter for Sonny and Castillo. Even more than what the Twins got for Berrios. Not Krall’s fault he’s got absolute garbage for a boss

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      • ksoze

        4 years ago

        Obviously he asked the moon, why wouldn’t he? There was no need to move them, and even if they are lowering payroll, it doesn’t mean it has to be an “everything must go sale”.

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  2. JoeBrady

    4 years ago

    “he’s “in our bullpen at this point” wasn’t exactly an emphatic vote of confidence.”
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    I’m sorry, but is there a point here? Garrett has had a mediocre, at best, career. He had some good numbers in 2020, but it was only 18.1 innings. I disagree with Krall on a lot of things, but there is no way he should be giving him a vote of confidence. If Garrett was an airline pilot with that record, no one would step on a plane with him.

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    • Steve Adams

      4 years ago

      From 2018-20, Garrett had a 3.60 ERA, struck out more than 30% of the hitters he faced through 137 innings and ranked ninth in all of MLB with 49 holds. His 2020 season was hardly his lone year of success.

      He was their top setup man — an entrenched member of their bullpen who had a brutal season. Krall could have led with, “Amir had a down year in 2021, but he’s a quality big league reliever and we think he’ll bounce back.”

      Instead he led with “at this point, he’s in our bullpen.”

      So, yes — I obviously think there’s a point.

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      • Jbigz12

        4 years ago

        FIP

        4.14
        4.34
        4.89

        Garrett’s been a pretty lucky pitcher. He finally regressed to what he really is last season. (A bit worse this time) No vote of confidence should’ve been given. He can strike guys out but he serves up HR’s and walks at a non elite clip. Maybe if someone can correct that -you’d have a reliever. But that’s highly questionable 5 years in.

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        • JoeBrady

          4 years ago

          Garrett’s been a pretty lucky pitcher.
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          His claim to fame is 2020. But his .601 OPSa was heavily weighted by his BABIP of .188, and amazingly, a 100% LOB %. My shortcut to trending these things out is to see what someone’s OPSa would be if they reverted to .300. In this case, it would be closer to .800.

          And I think that’s what we saw in 2021. His BABIP increased from .188 to a more reasonable .319., so his OPSa increased to .799.

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        • User 355748524

          4 years ago

          Per statcast, his xERA has been more favorable.

          About xERA:(mlb.com/glossary/statcast/expected-era)

          Amir Garrett’s ERA vs xERA (year to year)

          2018 (63.0 IP) 4.29 ERA /// 3.70 xERA
          2019 (56.0 IP) 3.21 ERA /// 3.58 xERA
          2020 (18.1 IP) 2.46 ERA /// 3.28 xERA
          2021 (47.2 IP) 6.04 ERA /// 4.42 xERA

          Additionally, his xSLG has been more or less better the league average.

          About xSLG:
          (mlb.com/glossary/statcast/expected-slugging-percen…

          Note: League Average xSLG since statcast was first implemented: .403

          Amir Garrett’s xSLG vs SLG

          2018 .362 vs .415
          2019 .296 vs .357
          2020 .366 vs .355
          2021 .407 vs .449

          While he does struggle with walks, his worst BB% (14.2 in 2019) came during his best full time season (3.21 ERA in 56 IP) so it’s anyone’s guess if 2021 was the standard or the outlier. All depends on if he can or can’t continue to suppress hard contact i.e the long ball like he has done in past seasons.

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        • tonyinsingapore

          4 years ago

          The long balls given up are rocket launch impressive. And most seem to the poorly timed, soul-crushing type…

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      • JoeBrady

        4 years ago

        A couple of days back, as a RS fan, I was pondering a possible Castillo trade. Towards that end, I was wondering what pieces might come back from Cincy, should ask for more prospects than we’d be willing to give up for Castillo alone.

        Given our BP, that’s the first place I looked. And I looked at Garrett, but saw too many negatives.

        Mostly, he’s never had a real good, full season. 2020 was good, but as I mentioned, it was only 18.1 innings. We can’t be sure what would’ve happened in 60 innings. Even then, he still had a 3.4 BB9. And that’s a concern because he has had a 5.1, 3.6, 5.6, and 5.5 in his other 4 seasons.

        And lastly, his career ERA/FIP is 5.10/5.13, with his last three seasons being 4.20/4.46. I can’t reasonably go back to 18 innings in 2020 and hope that he replicates it. That might be all there is.

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    • TradeBait

      4 years ago

      Spot on.

      Garrett is still a thrower, not a pitcher. Everybody has figured him out and that leads to 6+ ERA’s. Do not want or need. He simply does not show the mental aspect that is needed to become a real pitcher at this point.

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  3. JoeBrady

    4 years ago

    That said, Cincy is following their 2021 MO completely. They were about good enough to compete for a WC, and if everything broke right, maybe good enough to come in 1st. Then they traded their Iglesias and NT’d Bradley, and settled for 83 wins.

    The dude has to make a decision, or just settle for being a .500 team. He should either be trading Castillo and Gray, and plan on going all in in 2024, or keeping them and going all-in in 2022 and 2023.

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    • astick

      4 years ago

      Well said. People are losing their minds with letting Barnhart go. They could have paid him the 500k and let him walk. Instead, they got out of that 500k and got a flier on a prospect. How is that a bad move? It’s actually smart.

      The Miley deal is two fold. One side I wish they held onto him a traded him later for a return; however, he did go on waivers and multiple teams passed him up. Moreover, Miley didn’t finish strongly and he finished with an injury. His final 8 starts had over a 5 era.

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      • bucketbrew35

        4 years ago

        ‘Well said. People are losing their minds with letting Barnhart go. They could have paid him the 500k and let him walk. Instead, they got out of that 500k and got a flier on a prospect. How is that a bad move? It’s actually smart.’

        It was a bad move because he had time to make that contract decision. There is no position more scarce in the game than catcher at this point. He gave the market for Barnhart literally zero time to develop.

        Both that decision and releasing Miley were absolutely maddening. You don’t think he could have tendered him a contract and flipped him for some prospects? Because you know, it’s not like anyone needs a lefty starter who posted close to a 6 bWAR.

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      • downsr30

        4 years ago

        Actually only the DBacks, Nationals, Marlins and Pirates are the only ones that passed up on him. Waiver order goes in reverse order of same league first, and then the other league. Other than the Nats, none of those teams are in a spot where they could make sense of bringing in Miley.

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        • astick

          4 years ago

          None of them could have taken on the salary and flipped him like you think the Reds should have done?

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      • JoeBrady

        4 years ago

        I had no issue with the Barnhart trade. $7.5M is about the right price, but only if Barnhart is a starter. With Stephenson as the starter, it makes no sense to spend $7.5M on your backup catcher.

        On the Miley trade, I am still on the fence. Great season, but a poor 2nd half. But the bigger problem is that I don’t know if I would count on Gutierrez all tha much. He too fell off the cliff.

        OTOH, if they spent the $10M or so on the BP and OF, and had plans to promote Lodolo and/or Greene later in the season, it might make more sense.

        But I have no faith that they will do that, or even if they think that far ahead.

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    • redsorbust

      4 years ago

      Exactly Joe! I have posted very same thing on many occasions. Not much likely to change unless something changes, break it down and rebuild from within or add at least $50m to the payroll.

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      • Jbigz12

        4 years ago

        Personally I don’t think the loss of those 2 really hurts the Reds all that much. Miley is characteristically up and down. The Reds have been pretty darn good at developing SP’s in recent years as well. I bet Santillan/Sanmartin and whatever else they add put together quality numbers.

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  4. rangers13

    4 years ago

    Rangers should ask about Sonny Gray, who fits their mold perfectly, or should see what it would take for Mahle. Perhaps in a Mahle trade, they absorb some of Sueno’s salary.

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    • NMK 2

      4 years ago

      Think the Mets could be in the same boat, especially if they can help take on an expensive contract. Decent starting pitching is always in short supply.

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  5. Faith in the Padres

    4 years ago

    Reds should retool instead of rebuild.

    Trade Castillo and his 2 years of team control to the dodgers. Ask for
    Diego Cartaya
    Bobby Miller
    Miguel Vargas
    Andre Jackson

    Trade Sonny Gray and his 1 year deal + club to the Giants
    Will Bednar or Hunter Bishop
    Sean Hjelle
    Jairo Pomares
    Sammy Long

    Trade Jesse Winker and his 2 years of control to the White Sox
    Garrett Crochet
    Yoelqui Cespedes
    Jake Burger
    Whatever else is needed

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    • MLB Top 100 Commenter

      4 years ago

      I would keep Winker, you gotta give the fans something.

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      • baseballpun

        4 years ago

        They got Moose.

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    • JoeBrady

      4 years ago

      Faith in the Padres
      Reds should retool instead of rebuild.
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      I agree 100%, in theory. And I thought they should’ve done this last year.

      Even without Castillo and Gray, this is a young team. If you traded both guys for two top-100, AAA prospects, each, you’d have a pretty good farm system. and that’s in addition to India, Stephenson, Senzel, Winker & Mahle, who are control guys.

      At the end of the day, I don’t think they are built to win in 21 or 22, unless they invest some money. But if they made the trades, they’d be well-positioned in 2024 and forward.

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      • Samuel

        4 years ago

        @ JoeBrady;

        The Reds have a sensational pitching coach. As for the rest of the staff and the manger – not so much. Basically they mash in a small ballpark.

        I like Moose, but I have no idea why they brought him in…..let alone to play 2B. They’re screwing around with analytics, and while not as bad as the kids that ran the Phillies rebuild, they’re surely not the Rays, A’s, Guardians, Brewers, Astros, Giants, Dodgers, etc. They messed up Nick Senzel same as the Phillies kids did with Scott Kingery by being expedient and playing him all over the place where they had a “hole”, never allowing him to get any traction. Their entire baseball operation strikes me as being immature and so wanting to be regarded as geniuses – they should have been mentored by some that were good at it.

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        • JoeBrady

          4 years ago

          Samuel-Basically, the Reds have no clue what they are doing, from a structural perspective.

          They traded Gray and Downs for expensive veterans, when they had no shot at being .500. They should’ve been doing the opposite.

          They signed Moose, even though they Suarez at 3rd. So they had to move Moose to 2nd, even though 95% of his career was spent at 3rd.

          So now they have Moose in at $16M per, without a position to play, so they have to jettison Iglesias & Bradley

          They promote India, so they figure that they now have two 3Bs, so let’s move one of the them to SS. Suarez can hardly even play 3rd, let alone SS.

          It’s a shame. I like their young talent, but they have no idea of what the window of contention is.

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        • Orel Saxhiser

          4 years ago

          Lots of Dodger fans were critical of Friedman for the trade that landed Gray and Downs. They claimed “Fraudman” was being a cheapskate by giving away “great Dodgers” like Kemp and Puig. We know how that turned out for the Dodgers. The last man standing for the Reds is Kyle Farmer, a catcher who now serves as something of a placeholder at shortstop. It’s ridiculous and has to be frustrating for Reds fans. With proper planning, the team would be in the midst of a decent run. I’m not trying to denigrate Farmer, who is a decent bench piece. Just the Reds’ lack of direction.

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        • JoeBrady

          4 years ago

          Samuel
          I like Moose, but I have no idea why they brought him in
          ==============================
          I like him too, just at a fraction of his $16M. From my perspective, guys like Moose provide a lot of grease to get deals done with big-market teams.

          If I’m the RS, and I wanted Castillo, I would add Moose to the deal. Cincy would value the payroll reduction more than a prospect, so maybe the RS add a couple of non-premium prospects. From the RS perspective, you added a lot of payroll, but you now have someone that replaces ERod, and at a lower cost, and add a quality platoon partner for Dalbec, plus a backup 2B and 3B.

          You can get Cincy to cover some payroll, depending on much cap space we need, and what kind of prospect(s) are included.

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        • JoeBrady

          4 years ago

          Cey Hey
          Lots of Dodger fans were critical of Friedman for the trade that landed Gray and Downs.
          =====================================
          I still remember that. At some point, some of these posters should just admit to themselves that they know nothing about baseball. I like watching FB, but readily admit that my friends know more. Some BB fans should come to the same conclusion.

          IRT to the Puig trade, it was one of the best trades I’ve ever seen. Puig was arguably their #6 outfielder. Even Taylor and Verdugo didn’t start. Kemp was going to be cut. Wood was the only one that might’ve added value, and even he was only going to be a fringy #5 for them.

          I know they had to pick up some salary for Bailey, but that was a good savings for guys they had little use for.

          You ever have one of the experiences where you make a low opening bid for something, only to see the other person accept it? That’s what it must’ve been like for Friedman. He was probably waiting for the Reds to laugh, then ask what his real offer was.

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    • TommyLasutton

      4 years ago

      Gonna have to swap Cartaya for someone else and MAYBE.

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  6. MLB Top 100 Commenter

    4 years ago

    I would keep Castillo unless a team will take Suarez and his full salary with him. They could trade both for a minor leaguer who has zero value. That would be enough so there would be no need for more cuts and space to make a couple cheap signings. Unfortunate I think there would be no takers.

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    • Dotnet22

      4 years ago

      As a Cardinals fan, I would love to see Suarez go to another division. Strait up kills Cardinals pitching.

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    • TommyLasutton

      4 years ago

      If the Bauer $ wasn’t such an issue, Dodgers would take on Suarez to get Castillo and lighten the prospect haul. Sounds like Reds aren’t in a rush, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see that trade soon after the suspension was official.

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  7. Yankee-4-Lifer 75

    4 years ago

    If the Yankees got to absorb Mous or Suarez to get Castillo they got to pounce on that. The Yankees have Schmidt, Peraza, Gill, Deivi, Andujar, Frazier and Torres The Reds can take any 3 of these guys. I don’t care. Get it done before the Blue Jays or the Red Sox get him!!! Smh

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    • MLB Top 100 Commenter

      4 years ago

      I was thinking Sonny Gray and Moose to Angels for a whiffle ball. Moose lives in Malibu just 90 minutes north of Anaheim. If Reds can dump Suarez or Moose by pairing a pitcher, their budget will align enough that no further cuts will be needed.

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      • Reggie Smith

        4 years ago

        “Moose lives 90 minutes north of Anaheim”

        Am I missing something here? Since when do teams care about making overpaid lousy players happy? This has zero weight in deciding who trades for and eats the contract of Moustakas.

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        • MLB Top 100 Commenter

          4 years ago

          Only relevant if Moose had limited no trade clause and I did not know one way or the other.

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        • pd14athletics

          4 years ago

          I don’t think Reds would care at all… but it could be a selling point to the Angels. Gray would be the obvious want, and Moose is the salary dump. To the Angels, if Moose bounces back to decent production it softens the blow of absorbing his contract. Moving him closer to home to be considered a motivator to get him to bounce back (along with health).

          I don’t see the trade happening, just saying I don’t think that Manny’s comment was outlandish. Angels could theoretically be more inclined to take a Moose gamble than most other teams. Maybe not, but it’s not absurd to consider.

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        • pd14athletics

          4 years ago

          *Castillo not Gray… I guess Gray could be attached to a bad contract as well but comment in question involved Castillo

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        • rpoabr

          4 years ago

          Can’t remember, did Moose play 2B reasonable well? Angels need a SS but could move Fletch there and fill 2B instead. Maybe not as crazy as it sounds

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    • Metsin777

      4 years ago

      The classic Andujar, Garcia, Frazier for another team’s best player. You do realize you guys get made fun of for those trade proposals right?

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      • Yankee-4-Lifer 75

        4 years ago

        @Metsin7- I gave a list of 7 players. Are you counting correctly? Let’s try not to pretend Castillo wasn’t awful last year. Not saying he won’t bounce back. Just worry about your Mets. Isn’t that enough?

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        • cinred19

          4 years ago

          He was awful in April and May. He was quite good from June on, so he already bounced back. Any trade proposal for Castillo that doesn’t start with Volpe or Dominguez should rightfully be hung up on.

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        • JoeBrady

          4 years ago

          What are your thoughts on Barrero? Won’t he be the starting SS?

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        • Orel Saxhiser

          4 years ago

          Yankees fans don’t see things that way. They think the other teams are all sitting around figuring out how to help the Yankees.

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        • Samuel

          4 years ago

          LOL

          Here’s one Cey Hey…….

          Have you ever read a poster here that wanted to trade for a Yankees player?

          I’ve been here on and off since the year after the Yankees traded Andrew Miller and Aroldis Chapman. I’ve never seen a trade proposal started by someone to get a Yankee player. It’s always Yankee fans that want a teams best player and propose sending their garbage. When fans then jump in it’s in response.

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        • Orel Saxhiser

          4 years ago

          Samuel, The funniest part is when a fan trashes a player, then suggests trading that same player for another team’s best player two hours later.

          I’m a baseball fan. The fun of this stuff is looking at it from the perspective of both teams. If you’re going to concoct a trade that probably won’t happen, at least do it in a way that makes sense for both teams. Also, keep in mind that these teams aren’t going to accept the first offer. If the Reds are going to trade Castillo, quite a few teams will be interested. This isn’t like a radio show where the prize goes to the first caller.

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    • redsorbust

      4 years ago

      IMO you are correct. Fortune favors the bold. Not only do you get a SP with a huge upside who does not cost much, you keep your competitors from getting him. Yes he had a really bad start to last year but rebounded and looked a lot more like what he is capable. What pitcher does not have a bad year from time to time. Teams with deep pockets like your Yankees can absorb a Moustakas contract. Also if I were the Angels or Phillies I would go hard after Castillo or the like. The window for their superstars is closing more year after year. I would hate to see him go. He is a joy to watch pitch but alas is mostly wasted on a team like the Reds.

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  8. CalcetinesBlancos

    4 years ago

    Teams really need to learn to develop their own pitching, to put it mildly.

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    • Aaron Sapoznik

      4 years ago

      That’s always the preferable method. It still doesn’t deter successful teams with that m.o. to still go out and fortify their rotations with trades in order to increase their chances for a championship.

      Justin Verlander was 34-1/2 and already had some health concerns when the Astros acquired him and his huge contract from the Tigers at the 2017 summer trade deadline. Houston won the World Series later that fall (with some extra help, lol) while Verlander continued to be among the most impacting and durable pitchers the following two seasons with the Astros in 2018 and 2019 at the age of 35 and 36.

      Max Scherzer had just turned 37 when the Dodgers acquired him and Trea Turner in that blockbuster deal with the Nationals last summer in order to double down on their 2020 abbreviated COVID-19 championship season. LA came up a bit short but will still have an opportunity to win a title in 2022, possibly with Scherzer on board as a free agent. If Scherzer doesn’t land with the Dodgers this offseason he is still guaranteed to land a more lucrative deal with some other contender this offseason in the hopes that he will bring his new club a World Series title. Like Verlander, Scherzer already has a ring to sport when he gets a bust and plaque in Cooperstown the moment his 5-year wait for HOF enshrinement expires following his retirement.

      Regardless of their success in developing pitchers, there are few MLB contenders who would refrain from acquiring additional arms in order to increase their World Series odds. This is why the cost of top pitching is so high, be it proven veterans or elite young arms with even more future promise like Luis Castillo or German Marquez. Hopefully our White Sox can land an additional arm this offseason to supplement an already formidable rotation in their attempt to win a title next fall.

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      • Samuel

        4 years ago

        When the Astros traded for Verlander he had been a shell of himself for years. They immediately reworked him as they did Cole when he was acquired from the Pirates. Pitchers are not only developed in the minors, they’re developed and reworked in the majors as well.

        There are countless cases of top (and expensive) starting pitchers that were brought in by a team that couldn’t develop their own pitching – then began a downward trend. Look at Epstein’s record with both the Red Sox and Cubs (he did however take responsibility by firing a slew of pitching coaches).

        Pitchers and their coaching staffs work daily with one another throughout the season. You can rest assured that Max will be signing with a team that works well with pitchers. A good reason for him to re-up with the Dodgers.

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        • Orel Saxhiser

          4 years ago

          Kenley Jansen’s 2021 season is an example of a pitcher refining his approach at a later age. He was outstanding.

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  9. Benjamin560

    4 years ago

    Plenty of free agents on the market that can hold a spot until Kirby and Brash are ready. My guess is Krall’s asking price is too high.

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  10. HalosHeavenJJ

    4 years ago

    I’d love to see the Angels make a trade for Farmer and Garritt.

    He’d be our starter at short and I’d rather gamble on Amir than most free agents, particularly at Garritt’s expected price tag.

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  11. Aaron Sapoznik

    4 years ago

    The White Sox have the assets to acquire a young starting pitcher like Luis Castillo or the Rockies German Marquez if they are willing to trade some combination of pre-arbitration MLB talent from among Garrett Crochet, Andrew Vaughn and Gavin Sheets as centerpieces in an expanded package deal that might also include additional young talent or prospects. A comparable package might also get them 2B/RF Ketel Marte from the Diamondbacks.

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    • iverbure

      4 years ago

      White Sox fans on here are really trying to make sure their window is much shorter than it needs to be.

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  12. cguy

    4 years ago

    Barnhart, Miley, & Castellanos were not going to be on the Reds after 2022, which may be strike shortened or cancelled completely. The $33.5 MM they saved will be available to be spent, possibly as soon as a new CBA is agreed to. Meanwhile, Reds are open to allowing another team to overpay in a trade for Castillo. Gray, Winker, or Mahle.

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  13. Camden453

    4 years ago

    Castillo for a couple Marlins pitchers…Castillo to x team for x y and z players

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  14. redsorbust

    4 years ago

    Hi all. I for one am glad to see keeping Castillo is trending. When right he is a joy to watch pitch. I have no clue what happened last year to him but most every pitcher has a bad year. If they are keeping him I hope it is because they are asking an overpay from other teams. He is a possible ace on a lot of teams especially pitcher friendly ballparks. Let’s see what happens if he starts out well down the road and some contending teams become desperate for that one piece that can give them the edge to playoffs and the WS. The downside to all this Reds have to figure out a way to get past the .500 or worse years. If your going to keep your good starting pitching you need to surround them with equally as good relief pitchers and hitters.

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  15. mike156

    4 years ago

    I’d be interested in seeing a study that looks at cost cutting and its impact on revenues. How much does it cost to tank in attendance and concession income as opposed to salary savings. You can see why an owner would dump a $10M salary, maybe at the cost of 2-3 wins, because it’s not likely to change that much. But a wholesale teardown?

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  16. jbryant0693

    4 years ago

    Reds didn’t really have a plan last offseason, They punted quality relievers on reasonable contracts (Iglesias, Bradley), one of which had an outstanding year and just netted his new team a draft pick. Meanwhile, the Reds had one of the worst first half bullpens in MLB last year that cost them a post season run.

    So far this year, they gave up (for nothing!) a quality, 6 WAR innings eater to a division rival rather than pay $10M to retain his services.

    Reds’ FO is asleep at the wheel with no plan to wake up.

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  17. Mario93

    4 years ago

    Every offseason theirs rumours of Castillo being traded, just trade him already.

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  18. DodgerOK

    4 years ago

    They had Castellanos and Moustakos, it didn’t work out so they will reload and hope people have nothing else to do in Cincinnati but go to a ball game.

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  19. PutPeteRoseInTheHall

    4 years ago

    I couldn’t see Castillo going to the Dodgers. The Dodgers have been such a good team for about the last decade. I don’t know why they would lower their standards to go after Castillo. Castillo is no longer a very tough pitcher it seems

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  20. Pads Fans

    4 years ago

    Align payroll with resources? What a crock. Every team will be over $270 million in revenue in 2022 including the Reds. They can all easily afford a minimum of $135 million in MLB payroll. They don’t NEED to trade anyone. But, its a CBA year so owners have to cry poor.

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    • JoeBrady

      4 years ago

      It won’t do them any good. If everyone spent $135M or more, the Reds still wouldn’t be able to afford the best players, since salaries would double. In the spending game, all that counts is how much you spend in comparison to everyone else.

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    • Orel Saxhiser

      4 years ago

      @Pads Fans. Yep, they can all afford it with no exceptions. Billionaires are in it to make money and these players help them make more of it.

      The small market argument needs to stop. Spend money to make money. The Padres are doing it and it’s already paying off, 2021 record on the field notwithstanding. Tatis is gonna be a major cash cow for that franchise and the game itself. Machado, too. Fans all over the world want to see those guys play. It’s an untapped market that baseball will soon tap into a la the NBA. The games in England are just a start. There will be regular-season games in other countries as well and it will be great for baseball.

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      • Samuel

        4 years ago

        @ Cey Hey;

        San Diego is not a market to be compared to Cincinnati. To start, a comparable house in San Diego as one in Cincinnati would cost at least 4 times as much. Household income is far less.

        As for spending, spending, spending – if all small small market teams spend, are they all going to win? As for this:
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        “Every team will be over $270 million in revenue in 2022 including the Reds. They can all easily afford a minimum of $135 million in MLB payroll.”
        –
        Do we simply dismiss the costs it takes to run a team? Do the owners own the team outright (few if any do, and most have a debt load to pay)? What’s their stadium expense? Legal expenses? Insurance? Personnel expenses? Advertising expenses – upkeep, ground crew, etc? Travel expenses for scouts and others to constantly be on the road looking at players – some going outside the US? Expenses for computers, video equipment, and the salaries for people to run them? Taxes? Donations to the community? Uniforms, baseballs, bats? Farm system expenses (all farm teams I’m aware of lose money and have to be subsidized by their major league affiliate)? I’m sure I’m missing quite a bit of other team expenses.

        This concept of ‘Total Revenue – Payroll = Money In The Owners Pocket’ that is prevalent on MLBTR is so juvenile that it’s hard to address. I look at it this way – most owners had to fork over $100m and probably more of their own money / assets in order to buy a team. They could put that amount into conservative investments, even some sort of real estate trust, and make a larger profit than they are owning a franchise….without the daily headaches and being called names by people that don’t know them.

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        • MLB Top 100 Commenter

          4 years ago

          Without doing research, I assume that you are easily correct that San Diego is more affluent than Cincinnati.

          But there is a different reason why I disagree with the rest of what you say. Team owners do not need to net money every year to make a huge profit. The value of the team goes up as there are more and more billionaires who want to feed their ego by owning a sports team. Baseball is a monopoly of sorts and the number of owners of a MLB team is limited. If you lose 10 million on the balance sheets for ten straight years (e.g., 100 million) but the team value goes up from 400 million to 900 million, you have have made 400 million in ten years on a 400 million investment. For most of these owners cash flow is not an issue, and the others can get permission to sell a minority stake in the team.

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        • Samuel

          4 years ago

          @ MannyBeingMVP;

          You’re correct about the value of the franchise going up.

          It’s no different than buying a house and renting it out, knowing you have negative cash flow – i.e. you’re taking in less money each year in rent then you are servicing the debt on the property, paying taxes, insurance, consulting with attorneys and accountants, and making upgrades on it.

          Someone has to cover that negative cash flow. The owner can pay the money by liquidating some asserts (including cash in the bank), or he/she can refinance the property – in which case he/she’ll have to pay more in annual debt service as well as interest and carrying charges.

          Your assumptions would hold true if the owner paid cash for the franchise. I know of no one that ever has. And even if he/she had, that money could have been put in investments that could well make the owner more money than having a baseball franchise go up.

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        • MLB Top 100 Commenter

          4 years ago

          Much of what you say is correct, but given the monopoly aspect of baseball, and the value of the franchises going up, I fail to find good excuses for those owners who spend well below the median.

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  21. mkeyankee

    4 years ago

    Garrett should be on a $750k-$1m minor league deal w/ invite to ST. $2.2m projected arb is too steep.

    Overseas is also an option. Overall, he needs to reestablish value after this 2021 campaign. Reds should non-tender him. After Archie Bradley, last season, I think that is what will ultimately occur.

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  22. redsorbust

    4 years ago

    Seems like teams value prospects a lot more than ever. Reds are not going to (hopefully) get fleeced. Reds are going to ask a lot for him as they should. What will end up happening is Reds will wind up with a season somewhat like last or worse and the teams that did not want to pony up their top prospects for Castillo or similar starter or pay tons of money on free agents will finish second or third or bow out in first round of playoffs. Teams like Seattle or Blue Jays need to push hard to finally overtake the Yankees and Dodgers of the baseball world. Also I wonder if Castillo were a free agent how much he would cost?

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  23. NoKluReds

    4 years ago

    And so it begins. Reds accumulating their waiver wire bullpen just as they did last season. The inadequate bullpen gave away enough games in the first half of the season to cost the Reds a WC spot. Seems they look at a player’s cost before they consider his stats.

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  24. Shortstop57

    4 years ago

    I’m sorry but the reds aren’t going anywhere this next season, why not take advantage of what they have and try to build for the future which could be around the corner.
    I suppose a trade kind of wish it would happen
    Blue Jay’s get- Luis Castillo and Mike Moustakas from the reds
    Royals get- Chad Dallas and Joey Murray from the Blue Jays and Justice Thompson from the reds
    Reds get- Adam Kloffenstein from the Blue Jays and Brady Singer and Jonathan Bowlan from the Royals

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