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Rockies’ Extension Offer To Jon Gray Was In $35-40MM Range

By Anthony Franco | November 1, 2021 at 8:55pm CDT

Two weeks ago, Patrick Saunders of the Denver Post reported that the Rockies had made an unsuccessful extension offer to Jon Gray. Nick Groke and Eno Sarris of the Athletic shed a little more light on that effort, reporting that Colorado made a three-year offer in the $35-40MM range.

With extension overtures rejected, Gray is now set to hit the open market once the World Series wraps up this week. Groke and Sarris write that the Rox are likely to issue him an $18.4MM qualifying offer, which would entitle the club to draft pick compensation were he to sign elsewhere. Qualified free agents have ten days to decide whether to accept or reject the QO, so Gray and his representatives at CAA Sports will have some time to gauge interest before making the call on whether to return to Denver for a strong one-year salary or reject in hopes of landing a stronger multi-year offer.

Gray will be one of the trickier evaluations for teams looking through the market for free agent starters. The right-hander has two seasons with a sub-4.00 ERA on his resume, no small feat for a pitcher who calls Coors Field home. Outside of a terrible eight-start showing during last year’s shortened season, Gray has regularly posted strikeout rates a tick or two above the league average for starters. He’s put up similarly solid walk and ground-ball marks in recent years, and his 2021 campaign was largely par for the course.

Over 149 frames, Gray pitched to a 4.59 ERA with a slightly above-average 24.4% strikeout percentage and a 9% walk rate that’s a bit north of the league mark. Gray’s 11% swinging strike rate was almost exactly league average, while his 48.4% grounder percentage was a few points above par. That’s solid mid-rotation production, and there’s an argument to be made that he could yet have untapped upside.

A former #3 overall draft choice, Gray averaged 94.9 MPH on his heater. He backs that up with a slider that typically generates plenty of swings and misses. Gray will be entering his age-30 season, so rival clubs will surely be intrigued about the potential that power arsenal could wield outside of the league’s toughest environment for pitchers.

That said, there’s an argument that Gray has been less adversely effected by Coors Field than most. As Groke and Sarris explore in a piece that’ll be of interest to Rockies’ fans or those more generally interested in pitching, Gray’s primary combination of a low-spin fastball and slider seems most resistant to high altitude’s impact on pitch movements. Like any Rockies’ pitcher, Gray still has to contend against a home park that props up fly ball distances and has an expansive outfield (thus increasing the rate of hits allowed on balls in play), but his results may not be as inflated by the environment as those of some of his teammates. His ERA at home this year (4.02) was more than a full run lower than his road mark (5.22), in fact, although his home/road strikeout and walk splits were virtually identical.

Teams will be tasked with placing Gray amongst the third tier of free agent starters. Eduardo Rodríguez, Anthony DeSclafani, Steven Matz and Alex Wood are among the other mid-rotation options who’ll be available to clubs this winter. There figures to be quite a bit of variability among the league’s 30 clubs as to how they’d arrange that group on preference lists.

Of course, Gray could yet return to Colorado, whether by accepting a QO or agreeing to a multi-year free agent deal. Gray and the Rockies expressed mutual interest in an extension on multiple occasions over the past few months, and the front office didn’t move him at this past summer’s trade deadline. The Rox have already hammered out multi-year deals with rotation mate Antonio Senzatela (buying out his final two years of arbitration and extending their window of club control by an additional four seasons) and fellow impending free agent C.J. Cron. With the club planning to increase player payroll over the next two years, it stands to reason they’ll remain involved in the market for Gray as well.

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  1. BuhnerBuzzCut

    4 years ago

    12-13 million a year for 5th starter production seems generous.

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    • seamaholic 2

      4 years ago

      He’s way better than a 5th starter.

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      • DarkSide830

        4 years ago

        by virtue of being inconsistent and injury-prone?

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          4 years ago

          Pitching in CO is not easy. He’s been consistent enough to pencil in as a Rox starter year after year. No easy feat. My guess is he takes the one year if offered and then thevsides

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          4 years ago

          Pitching in CO is not easy. He’s been consistent enough to pencil in as a Rox starter year after year. No easy feat. My guess is he takes the one year if offered and then the sides work on a three year compromise. Maybe $42m – $45m. The new CBA though could help him if rules are changed. The non top tier pitchers just won’t get $17m + if a team also loses out on picks and/or international slot money.

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      • MLB Top 100 Commenter

        4 years ago

        Depends on the team whether he is a 2nd starter or a 7th starter!

        Rockies should give him a QO. Three years at 40 million seems about right. But he might prefer to get that same money elsewhere. I don’t think anyone will offer him more than 15 million per year.

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        • GareBear

          4 years ago

          Yeah but even if he get a 1/15 elsewhere we get to see what he is like outside of Colorado and even a mid-rotation performance sets him up for a multi-year deal

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      • The Mets "Missed WAR"

        4 years ago

        Gray must really want out of Colorado. I could see him maybe accepting the QO for the one year payday and then leaving. Outside of that I think it’s pretty clear Jon Gray will never be a Rockie beyond next season. Hard to blame a pitcher for wanting to get out of the worst place to pitch in Major League history. The Rockies are really going to have to massively overpay to get any quality pitchers to sign with them. Considering they have to do that anyway it might be wise for them to consider overpaying for Kevin Gausman. He’s from Colorado so in theory he is much more used to pitching in that altitude than most pitchers out there. Just find the few pitchers that can handle Coors field and keep them in the organization as long as they are productive. That’s the only way I see this team contending on the pitching side.

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        • tstats

          4 years ago

          He has often expressed desire to stay in Colorado but he also wants to get paid

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    • ldoggnation

      4 years ago

      With those #’s, he’s more like a 6 or 7th starter.

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      • gbs42

        4 years ago

        ldogg, are you familiar with park effects?

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    • Cora the Destroya

      4 years ago

      CO has to overpay to keep good pitchers.

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  2. Halo11Fan

    4 years ago

    He’ll get a lot more than that. Teams will take into account the Colorado affect,

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    • giantsphan12

      4 years ago

      @halo, I think you’re right. Gray would be an interesting acquisition for the Giants as Oracle Park would be a huge upgrade from Coors, and he’d know exactly how to pitch in the 9-10 games the Giants will play at Coors. Hhmmm
      .

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    • GeoKaplan

      4 years ago

      I’m guessing you didn’t read the article above—Gray was a better pitcher at home than on the road. His low-spin stuff works very well in the thin Denver air, but he gets pounded like a piñata away from Coors.

      What team is going to increase its offer for a pitcher who is demonstrably worse in a dozen parks other than Coors?

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      • Halo11Fan

        4 years ago

        I didn’t read the article to know that. I just don’t believe that anyone is a better pitcher in colors than away from Coors…. And my point stands. He’ll make more than that.

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  3. Deleted_User

    4 years ago

    Really upset my team was over the luxury tax threshold because it means they get hit with the steepest penalties for signing a QO free agent. I’ve wanted to see how Gray fares getting to move out of Coors Field and be with an organization with a better approach to developing pitchers but at this point there’s little doubt he gets a QO.

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  4. Gothamcityriddler

    4 years ago

    The Rockies refuse to give up their “Most Dysfunctional Team in MLB crown” without a fight. Good for them. Ahahahahahaha!

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    • giantsphan12

      4 years ago

      Oh there’s a fight for the “most dysfunctional team.” Just ask the Mets how they’re faring in that battle?? Ahahahaahaha 🙂

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      • Dustyslambchops23

        4 years ago

        Not a Mets fan but Rockies never contended this year, have a terrible farm system and inexplicably held on to their star SS at the deadline to will now lose him for next to nothing.

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        • tstats

          4 years ago

          They beat the dodgers on opening day!! They had a lossless record at some point 😉

          Reply
  5. mack423

    4 years ago

    Offering him the good ole Gil Meche (“$10M annually is a lot for a starting pitcher!”) type of contract. He should probably be able to land 4/60M with relative ease.

    Weird how there’s such a discrepancy in how the Rox value 4 FA years of Senzatela and 3 FA years of Gray. You’d think they’d be pretty adamant with keeping Gray, considering what they’ve invested in him to this point. He’s always felt on the verge of a breakout.

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    • misterlol

      4 years ago

      Lol

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    • Michael Chaney

      4 years ago

      4/60 is about my floor for him too. I’d guess somewhere around 4/70 ultimately.

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    • AHH-Rox

      4 years ago

      Senzatela has been better than Gray the past 2 seasons. 3/40 for Gray seems like a good offer, although I would not be surprised to see somebody pay more based on all that “potential” that he has so far been unable to realize consistently.
      Maybe a different org can find a way to tap that potential, but I think it’s more likely at this point that his ceiling is a #3 starter on a decent team.

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  6. Rsox

    4 years ago

    I kind of wonder if Gray has overplayed his hand a bit. Three years at between $35-40 million isn’t terrible. Jake Odorizzi might be a good comparison as a pitcher who thought he was worth far more than anyone else did

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    • WarkMohlersJr

      4 years ago

      I agree with you Rsox. I feel like every Jon Gray article makes it seem like he’s pushing for a contract that he doesn’t deserve (constantly pointing to the fact he was a 3rd overall pick and projected ace). Maybe his representatives are shooting super high (as they should), but to make gray anything more than a 4/80 pitcher is insane. And even 4 years has me second guessing.

      And 4/80 is pushing it imo

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    • Dustyslambchops23

      4 years ago

      What you’re missing is perhaps the desire to go play for a good team. He’s good enough to be a 4-5 on a really good team. It might not be just about the money, he won’t get less than 40 million in this market and will now get to choose his desired place to live and probably a playoff bound team

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  7. everlastingdave

    4 years ago

    He’s probably just accepting the QO if offered. $18.4MM for one year of Gray sounds like a ton to me.

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  8. mcmillankmm

    4 years ago

    Wow he turned that down?

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  9. vtadave

    4 years ago

    Former #3 overall pick.
    Solid 4.39 ERA in Coors since 2019.
    3.85 career FIP despite Coors
    Just one full year where his xERA was above 4.00.
    Headed into age-30 season

    He should have no problem getting 4-5 years at $15 million or so per.

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    • Rsox

      4 years ago

      Odorizzi thought he could get five years easy too, and look how that turned out. And he’s had a better track record with durability than Gray. Gray has only made 30 starts in a season once, not what you want to see in a big ticket expenditure.

      Reply
  10. Gwynning's Anal Lover

    4 years ago

    50 for Gray

    Reply
  11. OilCanLloyd

    4 years ago

    Maybe Matz does get a QO? If Gray does.

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    • mitchladd

      4 years ago

      I think with gray it’s more col wanting to scare off teams that want to give him a one year pillow deal to see what he can do in a better pitching environment then cash in next offseason. which exactly what i do if I’m him.

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  12. Old York

    4 years ago

    Good idea to reject it. He should be making $100MM per year.

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  13. yeahgo

    4 years ago

    Gray doesn’t have a great command and his arsenal is limited (mainly 2 way pitcher- fastball.slider) His slider is great but the lack of depth of his arsenal resulted in sometimes bad outing. He could be like Ace in good day but like 5th pitcher in bad day. He would pitch
    in the middle of plate in bad days. He would be a very good reliever rather than a starting pitcher. His heat would be over 97 miles and his great slider. If I were the owner, I would
    prefer to make a bid in 35 mil in 3 years.

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  14. Omarj

    4 years ago

    I was thinking $16-18 range, 3 years tops, but wouldn’t be surprised if a team goes 4 yr $80 or more. People overpay for pitching, and sometimes you have to.

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  15. theodore glass

    4 years ago

    Coors field is so tough sometimes I wonder if they can ever win a WS.

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    • Old York

      4 years ago

      They came close one year so it’s possible. And it’s not like they haven’t been in the playoffs before.

      Reply
  16. jakec77

    4 years ago

    So let me get this math- they are expected to offer him the QO, which guarantees him no worse than 18.5 million for one year. Or, they will sign him to a 3 year deal for 35-40 million.

    Meaning he can take the one year qualifying offer for 18.5 million and become a free agent or else sign a deal that essentially pays him between $16 to $21 million total beyond what he’d get from the QO.

    Of course he’s rejected that- who wouldn’t? He can shop around for a deal better than the QO, then if he ends up signing it all he has to do is get himself $8-$11 million per for 2 years on his next contract- not exactly the most daunting prospect.

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    • CursedRangers

      4 years ago

      Wonder what happens if the qualifying offer doesn’t exist due to the CBA ‘negotiations’. I wouldn’t be surprised to see it removed as it seems to suppress salaries

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    • bloomquist4hof

      4 years ago

      He might consider taking it and hoping he can get 3/40 or more next off-season. The QO hurts him badly. No way he exceeds AAV of the QO. He just went from a guratenteed 3 or 4 year deal to possibly going into the season without a contract. My guess is 3/35 is out there even with the QO but maybe not. Teams love those draft picks

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  17. PinstripedPride

    4 years ago

    Gray does have a 4.59 ERA for his career but his FIP is a more encouraging 3.91. In addition, his HR/9 innings rate is only 1.1 and his strikeout numbers have been excellent in every year except the shortened 2020 season (I tend to give all the pitchers a pass on most short season stats if they’re way out of line with the traditional ones).
    So yeah, he would be a fine #3 or #4 starter someplace. It will be a little bit difficult to agree on his real value because he is a product of Coors, but I’m sure that can be worked out. I do find it interesting that he had a better ERA at home than on the road. That’s something you do not see

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    • Yankee Clipper

      4 years ago

      Actually, it makes sense. At home he is more comfortable, and knows where to throw the ball to get the desired break. Away, the ball will break differently, thus leaving his pitches floating in areas he doesn’t want them to be. Some pitchers get an advantage from that, he doesn’t.

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  18. teddyk

    4 years ago

    I don’t buy the whole “he will pitch so much better outside of Coors”…see Ubaldo Jimenez, Tyler Chatwood, ………how did that work out for those clubs that signed them expecting better results?

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    • KamKid

      4 years ago

      I don’t think you can completely ignore environment as a factor for certain types of pitchers, but it’s only one of several factors. He doesn’t have to pitch much better to be a good major league starter. The worry would be if he fares much worse with another organization.

      Reply
  19. eephus11

    4 years ago

    Let’s see if the Rays are interested. That will be a cue that there is untapped potential.

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  20. mitchladd

    4 years ago

    As a Cards fan I would love to see what he could do with our pitcher’s park and great defense.

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  21. Ron Tingley

    4 years ago

    I like the guy but I see the Angels patting themselves on the back over paying for a 4-5 contract

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  22. Arnold Ziffel

    4 years ago

    He should be a closer wherever he ends up.

    Reply
  23. Awesom-O

    4 years ago

    Would love to see the Cubs take a shot at him. To my eyes, he looks like a decent 3 for a team looking to “maybe” compete if they spend some money. They simply need arms and he definitely looks like he’d benefit from not being in Colorado. From memory, he looked sharp when playing my Cubs.

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  24. prhood

    4 years ago

    Seems to me to be rather a logical disconnect between offering a player a 3 year deal at about $13M/year and preparing to offer him a QO at about $18-$19M. If he’s worth that much why isn’t it reflected in the offer? Given his age and previous salaries, how likely is Gray to turn it down?

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    • bloomquist4hof

      4 years ago

      They’re gambling with him rejecting it. He’s borderline for the QO. If he accepts he’s getting overpaid a couple million and they eat that to move him or hope he has a hot first half, or he rejects and they get a shot at a draft pick

      Reply
    • 1984wasntamanual

      4 years ago

      Players generally get a higher AAV for less years. If the QO was a 3 year commitment at 18-19/yr there little chance they’d offer it.

      Reply
  25. outtahiura

    4 years ago

    His WAR measures up to mid-rotation. No matter what… a 29-year old to give a hefty contract for a bottom of the barrel low budget team sure is something.

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    • bloomquist4hof

      4 years ago

      Hes definitely a solid mid rotation a #3 on most teams. I wouldn’t be shocked at him getting paid good, but they are not in a position to be overpaying aging free agents.

      Reply
  26. bloomquist4hof

    4 years ago

    I think their offer makes sense, of course he’d reject it but they offered what they thought he was worth to them, what they were willing to pay. It’s quite telling actually. I think he gets more than that of course but by how much? 3/45 or 4/60 makes sense to me. It makes sense for them ask for a discount and move on when he says no.

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  27. bloomquist4hof

    4 years ago

    QO is going to kill his value. My guess is he’d take it.

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  28. 1984wasntamanual

    4 years ago

    He might get more than that on the FA market, even saddled with the QO, but that seems like a pretty solid offer from COL. At this point, give him a QO, if he accepts ok, if not, you can either revisit signing him during the offseason or take the comp pick and move on.

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  29. junkmale

    4 years ago

    I could see Gray going to a team like Tampa and dominating for a year or two.

    Reply
  30. 17dizzy

    4 years ago

    The Cardinals are interested in both Trevor Story and Gray. However— I do believe their actual focus will be on Story.

    Reply

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