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The Reds Should Trade Or Extend Jesse Winker This Offseason

By Steve Adams | February 3, 2022 at 1:09pm CDT

These days, when baseball fans talk about the Reds, the general topic seems to be trying to pin down which, if any, of their three reportedly available starting pitchers will be traded following the transactions freeze. It’s hardly a secret that the Reds at least entertained talks involving Sonny Gray, Luis Castillo and Tyler Mahle prior to the lockout. They also placed Wade Miley on waivers and traded Tucker Barnhart. Both looked to be financially driven moves, and GM Nick Krall erased any doubt that was the case when publicly declaring a need to “align payroll to our resources” early in the offseason.

Trade chatter on each of Gray, Castillo and Mahle followed — understandably so. All three are only controlled another two seasons. If ownership is mandating a payroll reduction even for just the 2022 season, there’s an argument to be made that the best course of action is to turn one or more of those highly coveted arms into some young talent who’ll help in 2023 and beyond. Gray is set to earn $10MM in 2022 and has a highly affordable $12MM club option for the 2023 season. Castillo and Mahle are arbitration-eligible and projected to earn $7.6MM and $5.6MM in 2022, respectively, by MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz.

If the Reds are open to dealing any of those three quality starters who are controlled through the 2023 season, however, why isn’t there more talk of Cincinnati listening to offers on left fielder Jesse Winker? Like that trio of arms, Winker is controlled only through the 2023 season and figures to see his price tag rise substantially. He’s projected to earn $6.8MM in 2022 and, if he continues hitting at his recent pace, he’ll likely see that figure rise beyond $10MM in 2023.

First and foremost, let’s get one thing straight: Winker’s offensive proficiency hasn’t gotten nearly the attention it deserves. A former No. 49 overall draft pick (2012) and consensus top-100 prospect from 2015 to 2017, Winker has hit from the moment he got to the big leagues. That’s not an exaggeration; he slashed .298/.375/.529 in 137 plate appearances as a rookie back in 2017, and the only time he’s posted a wRC+ under 127 was in 2019, when he was “only” 11 percent better than league average (111 wRC+).

From 2017-19, Winker batted a combined .285/.379/.466 with 30 home runs, an 11.9% walk rate and just a 15.2% strikeout rate in 855 plate appearances — and yet his efforts went largely unnoticed. Even the Reds themselves signed not one but two free-agent outfielders to lucrative multi-year deals after that stretch, bringing Nick Castellanos and Shogo Akiyama into the fold. It’s true that the left-handed-hitting Winker has some notable platoon splits and isn’t regarded as a great defender, but production like that should’ve seemingly entrenched him in the outfield mix — not left him fighting for at-bats alongside Aristides Aquino, Nick Senzel and others.

Good as Winker was from ’17-’19, it was the 2020 season where things really took off. Winker struck out more than in the past, causing his batting average to dip to .255, but his walk rate spiked to 15.3% and his power went through the roof. He slugged a dozen homers and hit seven doubles in just 184 plate appearances — all while posting a .289 ISO (slugging percentage minus batting average). In 2021, Winker not only sustained much of that power surge but managed to drop his strikeout rate from the 25.1% he showed in 2020 back down to a 15.5% clip that falls in line with his 2017-19 numbers. Essentially, that 2020 spike in punchouts looks like a small-sample blip at this point. He’s never whiffed at even an 18% clip in any of his four other big league campaigns.

Over the past two seasons, Winker has appeared in a total of 164 games and tallied 668 plate appearances. He’s slugged 36 homers, connected on 39 doubles and posted a mammoth .292/.392/.552 batting line in that time. Great American Ball Park is a friendly place for hitters, to be sure, but park-neutral metrics like wRC+ (147) and OPS+ (140) suggest he’s still been anywhere from 40 to 47 percent better than a league-average hitter.

There’s little sense in trying to sugar coat Winker’s numbers against lefties. They are, quite simply, bad. He’s hit .199/.314/.338 (78 wRC+) against southpaws over the past two seasons, which is actually an improvement over his early-career woes. He still takes his walks (12.4%), but he’s fanned in 21.2% of his plate appearances compared to just 15.1% against righties. Winker’s 52.8% ground-ball rate against lefties is also vastly higher than his 43.6% mark against righties. And beyond that, 14% of the fly-balls Winker hits against lefties have been infield flies, compared to just 6% against righties. The walk rate at least lets Winker post a passable OBP against southpaws, but the damage he does comes when holding the platoon advantage.

Even if Winker is “only” a platoon player, however, he’s a platoon player who is not just productive against righties — he’s one of the best hitters in baseball against righties. From 2020-21, the only two players in all of MLB who have outproduced Winker against righties (by measure of wRC+) are Juan Soto (185) and Bryce Harper (179). Winker’s mark of 169 leads stars like Freddie Freeman, Fernando Tatis Jr. and Vladimir Guerrero Jr. Statcast generally supports his production, too; he was in the 74th percentile or better this past season in terms of strikeout rate, walk rate, average exit velocity, hard-hit rate, barrel rate, chase rate, expected batting average, expected slugging percentage and expected wOBA.

Excellent as Winker’s rate production has been, detractors might point out that he’s yet to reach 500 plate appearances in a given season. He’s had stints on the injured list in four of his five MLB campaigns, only staying healthy for the entirety of the shortened 2020 schedule. None of his issues seems to have been recurring; his career IL stints have come on account of a 2017 left hip flexor strain, a 2018 right shoulder subluxation, a 2019 cervical strain in his neck and an intercostal strain that ended his 2021 campaign. Winker is expected to be full-go for the start of Spring Training, but he has yet to put together a full 162-game season.

Still, plenty of clubs around the league would look past that injury history based on Winker’s career track record at the plate. As for the glove, Winker isn’t a great left fielder, but the likely implementation of a DH in the National League helps to quiet any such concerns. Furthermore, it’s not as though he’s unplayable on the grass. He posted a minus-5 mark in Defensive Runs Saved through 831 innings in left this past season (in addition to -1.9 UZR and -8 Outs Above Average) but is only minus-7 in 1669 career innings.

Winker is generally regarded as a better defender than either Castellanos or Kyle Schwarber, and most pundits expect both those players to command weighty contracts in free agency. Winker has been a better defender and better hitter than both over the past two seasons. There are surely teams that would rather part with prospects to acquire two years of Winker than pay annual salaries near (or in excess of) $20MM for Schwarber and Castellanos.

Frankly, any team that needs a left-handed bat and/or a boost in the outfield ought to be pounding on the Reds’ door in an effort to pry Winker away once the lockout lifts. He’s not without his flaws, but he’s an elite bat against right-handed pitching who can at least post a passable OBP against lefties. Winker won’t turn 29 until August, and while we can’t know his exact salary over the next two seasons, he’ll clock in at less than $20MM total.

All of that leads to the other side of the equation for the Reds. If they’re not going to trade Winker, now’s the time they should be mulling a multi-year extension with an eye toward making him a focal point of the lineup for years beyond his current slate of club control. By the time next spring rolls around, he’ll only be a year from free agency and may not be as amenable to negotiations — particularly not if he’s punched his ticket to another hefty arbitration raise with a strong 2022 season.

So, what might an extension cost? In terms of recent comparables, there haven’t been many outfielders to sign long-term deals when they’re sitting between four and five years of Major League service time. Randal Grichuk notched another four years and $47MM on top of what would’ve been a $5MM salary for his second arbitration year early in the 2019 season, but Winker has been a vastly more productive player. Adam Jones’ six-year, $85.5MM deal is a decade old at this point.

Winker should command something in the $15-18MM range for his remaining two arbitration seasons. Tacking on three years beyond that would seem a reasonable target for the Reds, though given his age, Winker’s reps might advocate for a longer deal over one that sends him back to the market as a 33-year-old. Mid-range corner outfielders like Josh Reddick and Avisail Garcia have reached/topped $13MM annual salaries on four-year deals in recent years. Castellanos received a $16MM annual salary on his first deal with the Reds — the same AAV the Astros gave to a much older but nonetheless productive bat-first player, Michael Brantley. Winker’s production should put him closer to Castellanos territory than Reddick/Garcia territory.

These are all generalities, of course, but a five- or six-year deal that values Winker’s free-agent seasons in the $16MM vicinity doesn’t seem outlandish. After all, were he to go year-to-year and continue at his current pace, he’d hit the market in advance of his age-30 season and could justifiably seek an annual salary more in line with whatever Schwarber and Castellanos land post-lockout.

Ultimately, the Reds could opt for the conservative route, holding onto their left fielder and going year-to-year with Winker through the remainder of his arbitration eligibility. If they’re truly willing to listen to offers on their top three starters, though, there’s little sense in not doing the same with Winker — unless an extension is expected down the line. Based on the team’s spending habits since the close of the 2020 season, an extension would register as a surprise. Perhaps it’s a hard “no” from the Reds, but listening to offers on Gray, Castillo and Mahle while turning away interest in Winker would be an odd line to draw in the sand.

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  1. 48-team MLB

    3 years ago

    He will be selected in the Omaha Dragons expansion draft.

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    • Gothamcityriddler

      3 years ago

      That’s clever. Next! Ahahahaha!

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      • Please, Hammer. Don't hurt 'em.

        3 years ago

        I think this is one of the best articles I’ve read on MLBTR in a long time. Finally someone is pointing out that the Reds should put way more focus on 2023 and beyond than they should in just 2022/2023. The Reds don’t have the money to extend Winker so they should clearly trade him. Can you imagine how many great prospects this team could get if they traded all of Grey, Castillo, Mahle and Winker? They could probably unload the Moose contract in one of those deals as well. They might actually stand a chance of winning it all in 2023. They just need to finally admit they don’t stand a chance in 2022. Owners need to stop worrying about next year’s revenue and think longer term. The revenue will pick up drastically in future years once you’ve restocked the farm with cheap young promising players who will actually stick around long enough for your team to compete.

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        • Yadi Dadi

          3 years ago

          Lol. Trade away your 4 best players and pray that 3 years later you get 4 players as good as them from whatever group of prospects you get in return and hope that somehow the other teams in your division just sit around and wait for you to get better. No way that doesn’t work like gangbusters.

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        • bjupton100

          3 years ago

          They can’t afford them. What’s your plan.

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        • flamingbagofpoop

          3 years ago

          If they are really on as tight of a budget as it seems, then yes. You do that and hope you can have them reach MLB around the same age so you still have 6 years of cheapish control over them while you try to fill in a team around them. If they are not willing to spend the money to fill the holes the current roster has, what is the alternative? Continue to hope you can be a 75-80 win team?

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        • JoeBrady

          3 years ago

          pray that 3 years later you get 4 players as good as them
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          In three years, the players they got in the trades will definitely be better for the Reds, since the players you traded away will no longer be there.

          FWIW, I said the same thing last year. Do you want to see a succession of .500 teams, or do you want to suffer for another year or two, and then have a true playoff contender?

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        • gbs42

          3 years ago

          The point is, there’s no guarantee the prospects they get will develop into good players. The Reds are choosing not to spend money, instead getting rid of good players. They could spend on a few more players and try to contend in a mediocre division.

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        • earmbrister

          3 years ago

          Yadi, I agree. I don’t know which is more ridiculous:

          Even if Winker is “only” a platoon player, however, he’s a platoon player who is not just productive against righties — he’s one of the best hitters in baseball against righties.

          Sorry Steve Adams, but on what planet is Jesse Winker Apple is a platoon player?

          And then Please Hammer comments that this is one of the best articles (Steve Adams’s Mom?) has read in a long time.

          Winker is an organizational foundation piece, not some platoon player to be traded away.

          smh

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  2. HBan22

    3 years ago

    Considering it’s the Reds, I’ll go ahead and put my money on “trade”.

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    • stymeedone

      3 years ago

      They skipped an option. Enjoy him while it lasts. Give him a QO, and claim a draft pick while someone else over pays him during his decine.

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      • Deleted Userr

        3 years ago

        The prospects they would get by trading him now are worth more than one draft pick.

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        • stymeedone

          3 years ago

          Yes but to contend they need him now. Lottery ticket now, or two year plus QO (3) of Winkler and/or a lesser lottery ticket. Reds want to compete now.

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        • Deleted Userr

          3 years ago

          Gonna take more than Jesse Winker to get that team into the playoffs.

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    • cr4

      3 years ago

      You must not know the reds too well. We will wait until he has next to no value then trade him

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  3. Armaments216

    3 years ago

    Reds fans should be furious if they trade any of Winker, Castillo or Mahle heading into this season.

    Optics are much better if they go into the season trying to compete. Then if the season isn’t going well they can move any or all of these guys midseason when there’s even greater demand and each player will still have a year and a half of team control.

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    • Deleted Userr

      3 years ago

      Good GM’s put zero stock into “optics.”

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      • Yadi Dadi

        3 years ago

        GMs who don’t care about optics get fired. comment section GMs think every losing team is only 3 years after gutting all your good players for prospects away from winning it all.

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        • bjupton100

          3 years ago

          If they’re not just fire the scouting and gm/president of baseball operations now, don’t replace and save that money. Does anyone else smell something fishy. Do any of you think the Royals thought Christian Colon was the fourth best prospect the year they drafted him. I’d have drafted some senior for a dollar.

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    • JoeBrady

      3 years ago

      Reds fans should be furious if they trade ……..
      ===================
      They really should trade any of the two-year window players. You are unlikely to see Greene or Lodolo until late in 2022. They were 4th in scoring and 10th in ERA. They lost Castellanos, and have no closer.

      Assuming that they are about a .500 team in 2022, they can keep Castillo, Gray, Winker, and Cessa, and hope to compete in 2023, or trade them now for a ton of prospects, and go from a WC contender to a pennant contender.

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      • Armaments216

        3 years ago

        Gotta try to win sometime. Otherwise why bother to field a team. Besides, I do believe they’d get just as good a return midseason as now.

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        • flamingbagofpoop

          3 years ago

          If you were certain they’d get the same return then as now, sure keep them. However that’s far from certain; bad health or performance are real possibilities

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        • JoeBrady

          3 years ago

          Armaments2165 hours ago
          Gotta try to win sometime.
          =================================
          IMO, it all depends on whether you think you have a better chance now, or 2024. You played .512 and .517 in the past two year, and lost Castellanos. Do you think they’ll win > 85 games? I don’t.

          It’s a personal decision, but if the traded some current talent, they could be really good for a while, but you would have to wait until 2024.

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        • bjupton100

          3 years ago

          It’s more risky anyone gets hurt/isn’t effective and their trade value is in the tank, plus they are trading them to save money so if kept they still have to pay them. They bother to field a team because they make money.

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        • Armaments216

          3 years ago

          Saying the Reds can’t compete this year just sounds like an ownership excuse to dump salary.

          The Reds lost Castellanos but will add top prospects Barerro at SS and Greene and maybe eventually Lodolo to a very strong starting staff. Things need to break right for them, including a bounce back from one or two of Suarez, Moustakas, Senzel. But with that rotation they absolutely have a chance to compete this season, especially if a new CBA expands the playoffs.

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      • stymeedone

        3 years ago

        @joebrady
        Were you one of the people that thought Washington should rebuild when they lost Bryce Harper to FA? Trading sure things for lottery tickets does not make a team perennial contenders. It makes them perennial rebuilders.

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        • Deleted Userr

          3 years ago

          @stymeedone Are you implying that the Nats would not have won that WS if they had traded Bryce Harper?

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  4. midway_monster85

    3 years ago

    What offseason?

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    • For Love of the Game

      3 years ago

      The offseason that never ends. That one.

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  5. brucenewton

    3 years ago

    It’s a shame, the Reds have a lot of nice pieces to build a legit contender around.

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    • stymeedone

      3 years ago

      I want to see them build an illegit contender! Win by fluke!

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    • nitnontu

      3 years ago

      I agree that Reds seem to have enough to be competitive in their division, even after letting Miley go for nothing. Brewers and Cards are good but one or both could just as well regress next season. I realize smaller market teams may be more hurt by revenue loses of last couple years, but to be so relatively close to being relevant and yet trading away their chances before start of season…is the team further away from being good than it seems to us that don’t watch them closely? (I’m a Brewers fan)

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      • Rowsdower

        3 years ago

        No, they’re actually close to contending imo. Hell they were there in the Wildcard race until September, then Winker got hurt and Miley/Gutierrez were awful and StL went on their incredible run. Losing Miley or Barnhart really doesn’t do anything, hugely blown out of proportion imo. The team needs an OFer (or 2 since Senzel will be hurt by May) and some bullpen arms and they can take the division. Need Suarez and Moose to bounce back too

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        • Bud Selig Fan

          3 years ago

          Reds aren’t taking the division. But they can be one of the 6-7 NL playoff teams if things break their way, namely good starter health and surprise performances from their pitching prospects. Need to add a couple of veteran bullpen arms though.

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        • bjupton100

          3 years ago

          If they ran the team as I would, they would have traded Votto (eventually), kept Grandal, and the 1st baseman they traded with him, Suarez, the couple rp’s they’ve cut (in the last year) and the Miley barnhart. Seriously I’m a big believer in trading the overpaid player especially 1st baseman (I know how good Votto was but see 1st as the easiest position to replace offensively) and replacing with a league minimum player. Without his contract the Castellanos contract and a couple other go for it contracts they could have kept Iglesias until they got a real return. The biggest mistake (next to Votto’s contract) was trading Chapman to the Yankees for nothing. Imagine them saying psss Cubs, come check this out.

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        • gogoblue

          3 years ago

          @bjupton100

          1. Votto has full no-trade clause in his contract. He’s not going anywhere until that contract expires or he decides to retire.
          2. Chapman wasn’t really traded. Well, technically he was but in reality the Reds just simply dumped him to the Yankees because of his domestic assault case prior to that “trade”. If Chapman hadn’t been convicted of that, then he would have fetched at least one top 100 prospect…..

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  6. SpendNuttinWinNuttin

    3 years ago

    Winker will be well into his decline by 2024.. More likely start that decline end 2022 – early 2023… trade now lol

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    • vtadave

      3 years ago

      He’s 28.

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  7. rememberthecoop

    3 years ago

    Great article and one of the reasons you’re my favorite writer on the site (no disrespect to Mark and Anthony, who are both good). Steve, assuming they wouldn’t just be satisfied with reducing payroll, what do you think it would take to get him in trade? A top 100 prospect for sure I’m assuming but is that enough in your opinion?

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  8. baseballlover6363

    3 years ago

    Yea that’s plenty thanks for the question sorry this is my burner.

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  9. Rowsdower

    3 years ago

    Trade Winker, why? You realize the Reds have a very good chance to compete in the division and wildcard. They also have no one to take his place in the OF. Shogo and Aquino are pathetic and need to be dropped immediately, Casty is gone, and Senzel is made of glass. Still have a very good offense and starting rotation. I know it goes against the narrative but losing Miley and Barnhart doesn’t change anything

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    • ShawnM 2

      3 years ago

      You just said how bad the rest of the outfield is and say we can win the division or wildcard. The Reds will not be competitive in the next 2 years with all the bad contracts

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  10. Rowsdower

    3 years ago

    Here’s a trivia question I’d love for someone to answer. Who’s the last MLB level, good player the Reds traded that still had years of control remaining? It simply doesn’t happen that much. I know you love that narrative tho

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    • JoeBrady

      3 years ago

      It’s a lazy narrative that casual fans like to use.

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  11. schellis 2

    3 years ago

    Paul O’Neill or Austin Kearns.

    Reds usually hold on to long and get nothing, or panic and get nothing

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    • johnrealtime

      3 years ago

      When the examples you bring up to illustrate your point are 30 and 15 years old, your point is irrelevant

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  12. ohyeadam

    3 years ago

    All the Ohio teams should merge into one and maybe they’d finally have enough money to be one real team

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    • mick4488

      3 years ago

      Cleveland has been the 6th winningest team since 2010. Facts matter. Worry about your own team.

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      • Deleted Userr

        3 years ago

        How about since 2014?

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        • Domingo111

          3 years ago

          Not sure but indians are 4th from 2015-2021

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  13. Domingo111

    3 years ago

    Winker is talented but he is 28 and has never in his life played 120 games.

    So do you want to extend a 28 year old with that health track record? Health usually is only getting worse once you get older.

    Sure if he is willing to take a 3-4 year deal then do it but I wouldn’t commit 6 plus years to a guy with his health track record.

    Trading him definitely is an option they should consider. His injury history will hurt his value there too and you might not get absolute top prospects due to this but his limited team control might even be good here, a team could take a flier on him in the hope of getting a healthy year and if he gets hurt again you can just cut bait.

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  14. gr8testsoxfan

    3 years ago

    Cespedes, Burger, Jarred Kelly and Mercedes for Winker and Castillo

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  15. Rsox

    3 years ago

    Your not getting a bag of empty peanut shells for Mercedes. Burger plays positions the Reds already have coverage at. Cespedes is a wild card and Kelly was awful in his taste of Low A ball. Not sure that package gets you Winker on his own but it definitely doesn’t get Winker AND Castillo

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    • mlbnyyfan

      3 years ago

      Why would Winkler sign an extension with Cincinnati? What have they done in the last 20 years to show him they are a winning franchise.

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      • Rsox

        3 years ago

        No one said he would. But that doesn’t mean the Reds are going to take just anything offered just because either

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      • stymeedone

        3 years ago

        What makes you think being a winning franchise is a requirement to signing an extension? The only thing required is a player being comfortable with the money being offered. Good thing too, as you’re a NYY fan and they want Judge to stick around long term.

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      • ksoze

        3 years ago

        @mlbnyyfan Why would anyone want to sign with the Yankee’s? The answer is the same for the Reds or Yankee’s, $$$$$.

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  16. Bill J

    3 years ago

    The Reds have 3 players who seem to be injury prone, Winker, Senzel, Moose. If a team is willing to make a fair deal for any of the 3 do it.

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  17. Dusty Baker's tooth pick.

    3 years ago

    I still think a padres, reds trade for Winker and Castillo makes sense. It’d make a huge impact.

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  18. Old York

    3 years ago

    Send him to the Yankees or Jays. They both need a left-handed bat.

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    • Deleted Userr

      3 years ago

      Jesse Winker and Kyle Farmer for Jasson Dominguez?

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      • Rsox

        3 years ago

        Would probably be a fair trade

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      • Old York

        3 years ago

        Baseball Trade Values website says it’s a fair trade. I doubt the Yankees would do that as there is so much hype with Dominguez.

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        • Rsox

          3 years ago

          Dominguez may get to audition for Judge’s spot at some point next season (if there is one). I don’t see the Yankees wanting to trade him but at the same time you get a lefty power bat and a SS (even if he’s a Catcher) that are reasonably inexpensive. It should at least be a consideration since overhyped prospects tend to not live up to expectations, especially in New York

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      • Weasel 2

        3 years ago

        If the DH comes to the NL he’s going to be in huge demand. They should definitely hold him until they know what the DH rules are going to be. (Lol I guess they have to wait since lockout)

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  19. richt

    3 years ago

    Steve, you’re forgetting to add the word “as” to the start of those two paragraphs before “excellent/good as Winker…”

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    • mlbnyyfan

      3 years ago

      The only way Yankees makes a trade is without Dominguez. Unless Yankees get Winkler and Castillo

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  20. Weasel 2

    3 years ago

    If the DH comes to the NL he’s going to be in huge demand. They should definitely hold him until they know what the DH rules are going to be. (Lol I guess they have to wait since lockout)

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  21. redhaze1

    3 years ago

    Paul O’Neill couldn’t hit a curveball in Cincy so they traded him. Paul Konerko was sent packing. Other players didn’t stay long: Kevin Mitchell, Ron Gant, Greg Vaughn, Dante Bichette, Josh Hamilton.

    FACT – the Reds and Lions are the two North American sports franchises that have gone the longest without a playoff win.

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    • bjupton100

      3 years ago

      Josh Hamilton was traded for Cueto who immediately turned into the team ace for two or three years.

      Reply
      • redhaze1

        3 years ago

        Cueto was not in the Hamilton trade.

        Reply
        • cguy

          3 years ago

          The Reds got Volquez in the Hamilton trade.

          Reply
    • Rsox

      3 years ago

      O’Neill was traded for Roberto Kelly in a swap of players who didn’t fit their organizations anymore. The Yankees had Bernie Williams ready to take over CF and the Reds had Reggie Sanders who had a much better run in Cincy than O’Neill did. Paul O’Neill enjoyed a level of stardom in New York while Kelly (who was an all star in ’93) would become a journeyman.

      Konerko was traded Mike Cameron who was a big part of the 1999 playoff run.

      Mitchell left for Japan during the strike. Gant turned a solid comeback season after missing all of ’94 with a broken leg into a 5 year contract with the Cardinals

      Bichette was traded mid-season. Vaughn left for a 4 year contract in Tampa Bay.

      Hamilton, who didn’t appear to really have a spot with the Reds due to other young Outfielders coming up at the time was traded for Edison Volquez

      All of these players were traded for key parts in other seasons (in Bichette’s case to play for a contender) or left for (at the time) big money deals elsewhere

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  22. bravesfan

    3 years ago

    Braves sorta have an outfield need. Maybe y’all can trade him to the Braves for way below market value lol! I joke… I would love to have him, but I’m gonna assume what it would take to get JW is much too high for the Braves and that capital will have to be use to replace freeman anyway. Wouldn’t might one of them pitchers though… definitely need one

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  23. thelastonetodie

    3 years ago

    This has a blue trade Lourdes Gurriel and prospect for Jesse winker written all over it.. Lourdes cheap salary and control trades for the much needed left handed OBP bat, still have Grickuk for a fourth outfielder and for tough lefties..

    Reply
    • Cosmo2

      3 years ago

      Gurriel will be a free agent before the Reds are ready to compete.

      Reply
    • thelastonetodie

      3 years ago

      How bout Gurriel and Reese McGuire, for Winker, as the jays have lots of catching depth and he probably won’t play over Jansen and Moreno and Kirk. And the Reds traded Tucker Barnhart. Perfect trade value.. and wins for both teams.

      Reply
      • Cosmo2

        3 years ago

        I still don’t see what good Gurriel does a team that’s just beginning a rebuild. He only has like one more year of control than does Winker.

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        • thelastonetodie

          3 years ago

          The very low salary and a prospect attached.

          Reply
  24. Cosmo2

    3 years ago

    Is Winker actually a better fielder than Schwarber? Anyway, the Reds messed up their rebuild by going for it all too soon and now they’re rebuilding again. Why do teams always make that mistake?

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  25. Shoguneye

    3 years ago

    BJs should package up Gurriel for Winkler + pitching. Get that LH bat in there and move LGs windsock imitation routes on defense

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    • Cosmo2

      3 years ago

      Why do the Reds want Gurriel?

      Reply
      • NoSaint

        3 years ago

        Cost certainty and a decent bat are the only reasons I can think of.

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        • Cosmo2

          3 years ago

          But isn’t Gurriel a free agent in 3 years? Doesn’t really add much more control than they have with Winker.

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        • NoSaint

          3 years ago

          2 years of contractual control then a FA. 4.5M and 5.4M for 22 and 23.

          Reply
  26. jim stem

    3 years ago

    It’s funny (and wrong) to ever “project” numbers across 162 games for a player like this. He’ll NEVER play 162 games against strictly right handed pitchers.

    He’s a strong platoon player, period. Sure, he can come in late in games and double switch when he doesn’t start, but he’ll never be a full time player so those kinds of prorated stats are irrelevant. He’s good when he plays…only against righties. That makes him a 4th outfielder who starts against righties. Any team he is on MUST have an every day right handed compliment ready start and to pinch hit for him against those darn left handed pitchers.

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  27. TradeBait

    3 years ago

    You don’t even consider trading Wink until closer to the trade deadline, if then. Too many questions about his consistency and health combined with future team performance. The DH works well for GABP for guys like Wink. What matters is solving the Suarez/Moose dilemma and seeing if Senzel can progress and stay healthy. If those go well and Greene and/or Lodolo are viable, this team contends for a playoff berth.

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  28. kingbum

    3 years ago

    I could see Winker platooning with Jackie Bradley Jr in Boston. Bradley just can’t hit and Boston could afford Winker’s contract. It’s definitely a nice, undervalued bat to have in the fold and you’d have a great defensive substitute behind him in JBJ. Ya gotta replace some of the lost production in trading Renfroe and if Schwarber doesn’t sign back. This could do some of that….

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  29. cguy

    3 years ago

    As the Reds currently procede (under the draft & develope philosophy) there will be 3 probable qualifying offer candidates after the 2023 season (Winker, Mahle, & Castillo) . That’s too many. Besides under the current CBA, the Reds should get a CBA pick in the 2023 draft. I expect the Reds will pare this situation down. They should try to sign Mahle first, then Winker to “team friendly” extensions. If they cannot get 1 of them signed this spring, they’ll need to trade probably Castillo. Effectively, Reds will want only 1 QO candidate by spring training of 2023. It is part of their strategy to have a draft pick every year between the first & 2nd rounds. Last year it was Compensation A pick for Bauer+ CBA pick. This year it should be Comp. A for Castellano. In 2023 draft, Reds will want 1 Comp. A pick for Winker or Castillo and the CBA pick. It’s part of why they are graduating prospects to rookie status while their minor league system has moved into the top 10 in baseball. They’re also getting a sizeable chunk of the International Prospect Market.

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