The Athletics have traded Sean Manaea to the Padres, according to Mark Feinsand of MLB.com. Earlier today, Andy Martino of SNY had tweeted that Oakland had resumed active conversations about Manaea. Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune reports that the Padres will be sending two prospects to Oakland in return. Per Feinsand, the full trade is Sean Manaea and Aaron Holiday for Eruibiel Angeles and Adrian Martinez.
A Manaea trade has seemed inevitable for quite some time now. It was reported prior to the lockout that the A’s were planning on moving just about any player with significant salary and dwindling team control. Once the lockout ended, they made good on those predictions, trading Chris Bassitt to the Mets, Matt Olson to the Braves and Matt Chapman to the Blue Jays. Since Manaea is heading into free agency at the end of this season and is making $9.75MM this year, he was the logical choice as the next guy packing up his bag. He will now head to San Diego, reuniting with manager Bob Melvin, who was another casualty of the Oakland penny-pinching, as the club allowed him to head to the Padres in a salary-dumping move.
The 30-year-old lefty made his MLB debut in 2016 and immediately established himself with a quality season. In 144 2/3 innings, he put up an ERA of 3.86, along with a 20.9% strikeout rate and 6.2% walk rate. He continued to pitch well over the 2017 and 2018 seasons before being stalled by shoulder surgery in September of 2018. That kept him out of action for around a year, as he returned late in 2019. In the shortened 2020 campaign, he seemed to be back to his old self, throwing 54 innings with an ERA of 4.50. In 2021, he logged another 179 1/3 innings with a 3.91 ERA, cranking his strikeout rate up to 25.7% in the process, a career high for a full season.
For the Padres, this furthers bolsters what was already a very strong rotation that includes Yu Darvish, Joe Musgrove, Blake Snell, Mike Clevinger, Nick Martinez and Chris Paddack, along with up-and-coming options like Reiss Knehr, Ryan Weathers or MacKenzie Gore. Just a few days ago, it was reported that the Padres were considering trading from that rotation depth in order to improve their outfield picture. The addition of Manaea seems to only increase the odds of such a deal coming together.
Their projected outfield currently consists of Trent Grisham in center and Wil Myers in right, with left field being manned by some combination of Jurickson Profar and Matt Beaty. There’s certainly room for improvement over that group, especially for a team hoping to compete with the Dodgers and Giants in the AL West, two teams who easily surpassed the 100-win plateau last year. Recent reports had indicated the club had spoken to the Pirates about a Bryan Reynolds trade, though the last word on that front was that the asking price for Reynolds was “prohibitive.”
The Padres were one of two teams to have paid the luxury tax in 2021, along with the Dodgers. That means they would be subject to escalating penalties if they were to pay the tax again this year. The new CBA bumped up the lowest tax line from $210MM to $230MM, which gave the Padres a bit of breathing space, as their luxury tax number has been between those two numbers for most of the offseason. Since the signing of that new CBA and the end of the lockout, they have been fairly quiet, apart from their acquisition of Luke Voit. With the acquisition of Manaea, their luxury tax number is now just over the line at $233MM, according to Jason Martinez of Roster Resource. Perhaps they are willing to pay the tax yet again, or further trade could allow them to limbo back under the line. Rumors have swirled for years about their attempts to move Eric Hosmer and the four years and $59MM remaining on his deal. Just a few days ago, they were apparently discussing such a deal with the Mets, though those talks have apparently stalled.
For the Athletics, their fire sale has reduced their 2021 payroll to around $50MM in actual dollars, per Roster Resource. They haven’t had a number that low since 2008, leaving aside the pandemic-shortened 2020 campaign. (Hat tip to Cot’s Baseball Contracts.) That number could potentially drop even lower if the club lines up a deal on Frankie Montas or Ramon Laureano, though they could also add in a veteran on a modest short-term deal, like those they gave to Stephen Vogt and Jed Lowrie.
The rotation in Oakland won’t just be lacking Bassitt and Manaea, as James Kaprielian and Brent Honeywell Jr. are likely to begin the season on the IL. Montas will be at the front of the group if he’s still around, with Cole Irvin, Daulton Jefferies, Paul Blackburn, Adam Oller and Zach Logue among the options to take the spots behind him.
One of today’s acquisitions, Adrian Martinez, is an option to serve as rotation depth immediately, as he is on the 40-man roster and made it up to the highest levels of the minors last year. In 80 2/3 Double-A innings, he put up a 2.34 ERA along with a 25.4% strikeout rate and 7.3% walk rate. He struggled a bit in his first taste of Triple-A, throwing 44 1/3 innings with his ERA jumping up to 5.28, along with a deflated strikeout rate of 19.9% and 8.7% walk rate. He’s just 25 years old and has options, meaning he’s likely ticketed for further time in Triple-A.
The other piece of their return will be more of a long-term play, as Angeles is just 19 years old. Last year, he split his time between A-ball and High-A, while lining up at second base, third base and shortstop. In 105 games, his combined slash line was .329/.392/.445, for a wRC+ of 125, along with 19 stolen bases. Although the A’s will need to be patient given his age, he might be the real “get” for Oakland, as he was San Diego’s #12 prospect at MLB Pipeline before the deal, with Martinez coming in at #26.
Alongside Manaea, the Padres are also adding some bullpen depth with the acquisition of Holiday. The 21-year-old was just selected by the A’s last year, in the 13th round of the 2021 draft. He only has 5 2/3 innings of professional experience under his belt at this point, all of that coming in the Complex League last year. Despite that limited resume, R.J. Anderson of CBS Sports relays that he was hitting over 100mph on the radar gun this offseason.
Photo courtesy of USA Today Sports Images.
Damn
Wow! Good job
Wow! NL West trying to one-up NL East in best division
Preller getting it done.
No amount of Steve Cohen money or Dodger spending sprees will ever be as destructive to this sport as the owners of teams like the A’s. So embarrassing to watch a playoff caliber team just torpedo everything because some arbitration raises were coming.
How many starters does preller need?
More… he still doesn’t have enough.
I’m guessing we will see at least one more friars trade today.
Hope so, seems like they’ve got their own inevitable players getting shipped out too
“MORE…..MOOORE….
MOOOOOOOOORE!” – Kylo Ren
Comment of the day.
Never have enough starting pitching. Except for the Brewers I guess, they’re pretty stacked.
As many as he can get. Did you see how the Padres pitching collapsed in the 2nd half last season due to injuries?
You remember 2021 when they had to sign Jake Arrieta?
Gotta be another trade coming right behind this
Hosmer & Clevinger to the Mets?
Clev is pitching tonight, so I don’t think so. And the Mets would not take such a gamble on a pitcher who hasn’t pitched a game since 2TJS
Manaea is pitching, clevs knee is sore
Yeah, just learned that myself. And with this, I’m 100% certain Clev won’t be traded!
You’d have to think
Dom Smith….
Nice acquisition, I wonder what the Padres gave up
Eruibiel Angeles and Adrian Martinez.
#12 and #26 prospects according to mlb.com
I always found baseball America to be better w their prospect rankings – they have them at 10 and 19, so a little higher on them… either way, two mid level prospects really
no. Angeles is 19 and probably the most exciting early stage prospect the Pads have. They potentially gave up a lot for one year of Manaea
Why do people insist the media rankings are the same as teams rankings? You think billy beane reads BA’s rankings and tells preller i want your 12th and 26th ranked players AJ!! If the media knew anything about baseball they would be gms and not media guys. Nobody is knocking on keith law’s door to run their front office
Potentially, he does have an astronomically high ceiling
@ Astros2017Champs;
One of the best posts on this chatroom board when discussion of prospects comes about.
Every franchise has their way of evaluating prospects (as well as ML players). And trust they’re not depending on Baseball America. MLB.COM or Fangraphs research. LOL
Those (semi-free) sites are good for armatures that play rotisserie league baseball. Has nothing at all to do with what MLB franchises – whose employees jobs depend on performance – that deal with humans beings that they hope will ultimately play for their franchises coaches and manager in the systems those team use.
So you didnt get the prospect evaluator job huh astro? Sorry to hear that.
Anyways. Fans of other teams usually like to know where players their team acquires ranks from other organizations farms that they dont follow as closely.
Overemphasis on media rankings should be criticized
Keith Law worked in the FO of the Blue Jays for 5 seasons. Most of the guys working for these publications are in high demand by MLB teams. ESPN just pays better.
working in =/= running.
Even the people that make these rankings would tell you that they need to be taken in context. That’s really the point. Context. Sometimes a lower officially ranked prospect is more intriguing cuz context.
Guess that means one of paddack weathers morejon or a couple of them will be traded for OF help
Darvish
Snell
Manea
Clevinger
Martinez
Paddack
Weathers
Gore
Avila
Musgrove
Morejon
Theyll definitely move 1 or 2 arms.
3 or4… jk
Avila is a minor leaguer
Morejon is on the IL until at least June after TJ surgery last April. Avila is not on the 40 man roster. Clevinger will start the season on the IL. Snell won’t be ready to pitch a full game until at least the beginning of May.
Barring a trade, the rotation to start the season will probably be
Darvish,
Manaea,
Musgrove (putting him in line for a home opener start),
Snell with a Paddack piggyback,
Martinez
Gore and Weathers start the season in AAA.
Avila is too on the 40-man roster!
mlb.com/padres/roster/40-man
I blew that. Avila is not in MLB camp, so I assumed he had been DFA’d off the 40 man roster. My bad.
That makes Gore and Weathers expendable. I know the adage about never having too much pitching, but by your own comment, Morejon is back in June, Snell in May, and Clevinger at some point. They don’t need that much depth. I’m predicting a deal with the White Sox centering around Sheets.
Nothing in the world could make Gore expendable.
Neither are “expendable”. We saw what happened last season.
Not after last years injuries destroyed their pitching staff and left them
picking up a few waiver wire guys to start in Aug-Sept.
Preller just doesn’t know when to stop. Like he has no sense at all, just goes with whatever, throw something at the wall and see what happens. It would probably be more entertaining if the moves actually moved the needle.
Move the needle? Yu darvish, blake snell and mike clevinger didn’t move your needle?
Sheesh. Meanwhile, i am over here as a giants fan, having to get my needle moved by the additions of alex cobb and matthew boyd
oh c’mon Carlos Rodon is legit if he can stay on the mound
Unfortunately, that’s a really, really big if. As a White Sox fan, I was hoping they’d bring him back, but it is what it is. I wish him the best, but him throwing more than 150 innings seems unlikely.
Boyd is a very good pickup when he is healthy in a few months.
May have moved the needle somewhat – having a solid #3 going into the last month of the season wins games. I have heard, and believe, you can never have too many starting pitchers and long relievers.
This trade is a testament to Preller convincing himself that there is a schmuck out there who is gonna take Hosmer and his salary in full so they can get Weathers, Paddack, or any variety of ineffective SPs they have standing around. I’m not sure there is a team out there who is that desperate right now.
Ny Mets on line 1 and Minnesota Twins on 2…
This might have little to do with Hosmer, but more to do with Pads finding a LF by moving a catcher and SP
And the hopes of 29 other team fan bases has been crushed.
I want Montas more anyway
I suspect the A’s may hold out on trading him until midseason since he has two years of control.
Despite what I just wrote, I fully agree but the cost will be twice as much based on recent track record and the second year of control.
I hope the Mets acquire Hosmer. As a Phils fan, the more at bats they give to Hosmer the better…Even if Paddack/Pagan come along to the Mets in that deal, that won’t offset how little offensive value Hosmer has
Phillies are trash and mets aint aquiring that rubbish!
I’ve heard the Hosmer to Mets rumors but I don’t understand why. They’ve got Alonso and Dom Smith that can play first. What value is Hos bringing?
None. He’s simply a salary dump and a DFA candidate.
What value does Hos bring?
Who’s going to carry Paddack’s bags from LaGuardia?
Yes, thank you for repeating the article.
I’d think the Mets would just eat Hosmers money while focusing on the rest of the return in any trade. They’re not getting Hosmer with the intent of giving him a lot of playing time.
What an underwhelming return. I can’t believe the White Sox didn’t beat that!
Manaea only has one year of control, and is pretty injury prone, so his value isn’t very high. Still, you’d have thought they might have done a little better. Angeles is very well thought of.
Padres buying up the market so Paddack and Weathers look more attractive. Even if SD offers both plus Campusano to take Hosmer’s salary, it’s not worth it. Folks can look at Hos through rose colored glasses, but nobody wants him at that price or even half the price.
Manaea is not that great, he’s a decent sp when healthy… he and a player for two mid level prospects seems about right… a mid tier sp w one year til FA for farm depth and a touch of upside
There’s a reason Angeles is already #12 Pads prospect despite being 19
What an embarrassment to the sport teams like Oakland are….
Not the team, but the owner. John Fischer is worth $2+ billion yet won’t even spend up to the money he gets in TV revenue. I wish the labor agreement would have included a floor that the owners had to spend. The A’s also raised ticket prices like 40% this year and now rival SF Giants prices for 25% of the payroll and 0% of the venue.
Darn it I hope cashman can get a good enough starter in time still. Manaea would have been perfect (unless the asking price was nuts which it probably was)
While the acquisition of a top arm like Manaea’s would always be welcomed (Totally possible that Oakland was holding the Yankees up for one of the 2 SS kids which was probably a non-starter for a pitcher who was going to be a free agent at the end of this year). why is the current Yankee rotation vilified as being weak and in need of upgrades? Didn’t the pitching staff rank in the top 10 last year with basically the same pieces?
Of course there will be questions as far as Severino is concerned but the real strength of the Yankee team is in the bullpen and from current Spring performances so far, no reason to believe that has changed.
Keeping both SS kids, allows them to make a change at the trading deadline if necessary rather than panicking now and letting Billy B fleece them by demanding too much of a return for Manaea..
Top arm? Manaea? No
I’ve noticed that when Oakland trades away talent, everyone blames the owner and not the GM, but when the Yankees don’t sign every free agent, the Yankees fans blame Cashman much more than Hal. How much longer can Billy Beene put up with this if this is all on the owner? I believe Beene has partial ownership in the A’s so perhaps he’s just as guilty here. As a partial owner, Beene gets to pocket a few extra million every time they tear down the roster and strip the payroll to the bare bones. I don’t understand how he gets away with little to no criticism here.
SF Chronicle says he has sold off his 5% stake down to 1%.
I think Billy is more interested in soccer. Maybe he should get in with the Ricketts for Chelsea.
Beane has 1% ownership so really Fisher is the one holding the wallet here. There is only so much Billy Beane can do with an owner that is not George Steinbrenner simply put…
Oakland gets Euribiel Angeles and Adrian Martinez, while San Diego gets Sean Manaea and Aaron Holiday. Angeles and Martinez ranked as SD’s #12 and #26 prospects.
Good move for San Diego. I pray Oakland is in the basement this year
They just might be.
The to sweeten the pot on that Hosmer deal. Clevinger or Gore instead of Paddick would get it done
I thought the Mets wanted Paddack! ? The Padres probably killed that deal cuz the Mets wanted them to pay the vast majority of Hosmer ridiculous contract.
Or Snell.
Id rather have Cleavinger. Gore is too inconsistent
How many guys have returned from 2nd TJS and been as good as they used to be?
Clevinger is destined for the pen as he’s coming off his second TJS.
From the SD Union Tribune: “Of the 42 major league pitchers who have had two Tommy John surgeries, the majority did not pitch in the majors again after their second or fared poorly over a short period.” The list of successful returns to the rotation after a second TJS is one out of dozens – Nathan Eovaldi.
You forgot Chris Capuano but yeah, the track record of starters coming off TJ #2 is not good and I honestly don’t know why so many Padres fans think Clevinger is going to be an ace and then stay in SD for half of what the market offers.
The best this Padre fan hopes for re: Clevinger is that the other SP keep us competitive for the first half, so we can treat him like a trade acquisition. Let him build up slowly, then get 12-15 quality starts in August / September and (fingers crossed) October.
I can’t believe the Cards are apparently going into the season with that rotation, expecting fans to believe they’ve done all they can do to put a WS-caliber team on the field.
Boy Melvin was smart to get the hell out of oakland.the a s are going to be damn lucky to win 50 games this season
Melvin knows what he’s getting in Manaea
Padres will officially have zero dollars to spend at the trade deadline.
I remember just a few years ago Preller wanted to “build a team and system to compete for decades”. Now he is bringing in 3.90 ERA pitchers with only one year of control left.
Huh? Padres have plenty of money start paying attention. More moves on the way as well.
Maybe you ought to learn how the luxury tax works before commenting.
It’s Padres2019ha. Posting uninformed and grammatically errant comments is kinda just what he does.
Snell, Paddock and Hosmer for a player to be named?
Another example of a trade where everybody goes “that’s it? Why didn’t my team beat it”
Jim Bowden suggested that the Mets trade with the Padres fell apart because the Mets were circling back to the A’s trying to get Manaea or Montas. This really sucks. Weren’t the Padres trying to trade from their pitching depth, rather than adding to it?
Not hard to outsmart the Mets, apparently
Padres didn’t have pitching depth. See the 2nd half of last season.
When the Manaea trade was first announced I thought there was a good chance that another trade was happening today involving Paddack or Weathers (for OFer). But with the news of Clevinger going on IL, I’d be surprised if they trade from their depth. If they hold pat, it might be an indication that Clevinger is not ready anytime soon
Clevinger trade looks worse every day
Yeah that trade hasn’t worked out well so far! Cleveland was criminal, OR Pads were just unlucky. The IL stint isn’t surprising though, he needed a longer SP to get ready. Nothing wrong with this knees, seems smart not to rush him back
The Twins said the market on this guy was too slow and they couldnt beat THAT offer?!? They’re not trying.
Frankie Montas to the Cardinals for Tyler O’Neill. Who says no?
Anyone with a brain
Anyone with a brain? I can’t be surprised by your response given you’re a Mets fan.
The Cardinals. Too risky of a move for them plus they would need a small piece coming back.
Doesn’t make sense for the A’s either because O’Neill will be getting expensive in arbitration.
Thank you for the intelligent response.
I know the A’s are in a full rebuilding mode and thy are tearing the team apart but they will not be in the basement in the AL West. They will be competitive this year and when the stadium issue is solved they will be good once again. Every year people put low expectations on the A’s but they always are competitive.
Dude, nobody is going to be within 8 games of Houston. That division isn’t competitive
I talking about they will be a competitive team overall and that they will not finish in last place
Seattle won close to 90 games last year and is even better this year.
If Mark Kotsay wins 5 games this year he should me manager of the year!
He will win a lot more games than that.
Probably 10 times that many games. But it would be funny to see any team go 5/157
How is this the best the As could get when they were able to deal Bassitt to the Mets for a top 5 prospect???
Why do the Mets always pay more for players in these deals?
Great deal for the Padres. I expect for the Mets to get fleeced again in whatever Preller cooks up for Hosmer.
The Twins need to set up a trade with the Padres. Twins have a crowded outfield and Padres have a crowded pitching staff. Both need what the other has too much of.
Twins don’t really have that crowded of an outfield is the problem. Buxton, Kepler and Kirilloff is solid but Rooker and Larnach don’t seem ready. You could move Kepler and switch Miranda or Arraez out to LF but that’s not ideal for IF depth.
Padres are primed to trade more young pitching now. Since offloading Lauer and Quantrill turned out so well Preller will surely do more of that.
Lauer and Quantrill have accomplished hardly anything so far. Must be new to baseball if you think a half season from two young pitchers is anything. I wish them well but they got a long way to go to be labeled anything
Quantrill has a 2.79 ERA over 48 games, 24 of them starts, since going to Cleveland
Yes, time will tell if he can keep it going an entire career. But its also extremely unlikely Clevinger can even get close to Cals value since the trade over this final year of control. And because of that, the trade was ultimately a disaster for the Padres – which is what the other guy was saying
True but Clevinger seems to have recovered well. I guess then we should file a complaint against the Indians for damaged goods or only when that happens the other teamha
Clevinger has what, a 43.20 ERA this spring?
And as you were typing that the Padres were announcing he will start the season on the IL
Yes, it is a trade that just keeps getting worse and worse for the Padres, and it’s now near impossible for them to even get back the value Quantrill alone provided over the amount of time Clevinger was controlled
Sky’s not falling. Clev on IL not a big deal and was actually planned months ago. They’re calling it just knee soreness = real reason is that they don’t want to rush him back.
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Lauer – 3.04 ERA in 20 starts last season
Quantrill – 3.12 ERA in 22 starts last season
That would have looked mighty nice as opposed to Arrieta, Velasquez, Weathers, and Knehr who combined for a 8.24 ERA in the 2nd half last season.
Luis Pattino Padres/Preller gave away 21 year old stud starter now in Rays rotation.
Nobody’s making fun of the Friars now, either they or the Dodgers are winning the NL West.
I am going to continue to make fun of the Friars until they actually win something.
You have the dodgers possibly winning that division. Thats some next level prognosis
Flip Manea & include Hosmer in trade to Mets? Mets were interested in Manea.
Include Gore and send Cano back the other way and you’ve got yourself a deal.
Taking back Cano defeats the purpose of the deal and defeats the purpose of adding a prospect. Not that the Padres would ever give up Gore in this stupid idea.
Basically you want Manea and Gore included with hosmer and the Padres take back cano. San Diego isn’t a subsidiary of the Mets.
I was being sarcastic. The construction of the original trade proposal was incredibly one-sided for the Padres. Paddock is a two-pitch pitcher with a partially torn UCL who is destined for a bullpen role in the near future. Hosmer’s contract is one of the worst in baseball. Dom Smith, while he has his warts, is still controllable and has value to the Mets. Not sure Paddack or Hosmer add any value, whatsoever.
@you Stay away from commenting if you think Hosmers’ contract is one of the worst in baseball. What about Bauers contract of 40 million and he isn’t even playing baseball? Ozunas’ contract doesn’t look great at this time. The Angels had Justin Upton still owed 28 million. Canos’ contract that is worst than Hosmers contract. They are a ton of players that have worst contracts in baseball.
Ohhhhhhhhhkkkkkkkkkkayyyyyy…….. I’ll “stay away from commenting”. Get real, bud.
Dom Smith and his 84 OPS+ has no value, other wise the Mets would not be attempting to trade him.
That they were willing to take on half of Hosmer’s contract while only getting Paddack and Pagan who combined put up a 5.03 ERA last season for Smith says volumes about his lack of value.
I don’t know how A’s fans do it.
The Padres are coming for the Dodgers! As of right now, the Padres’ starting rotation looks a little better than what the Dodgers have right now!
the A’s get hoisted again. moneyball at it’s finest.
What are you talking about? They picked up a really decent pitcher who is younger and has options and a very decent SS prospect. I make that trade everyday.
A’s got a nice return for a back of the rotation guy who will be a free agent.
Future stud SS and a young pitcher/
I noticed the Mets favs crying. Makes me happy.
Preller haters rejoice!
LOL
Great job Yankees…unbelievable
Montas is the GEM there
TWINS can you wake up and get a starter or two? Why sign Correa and have a very weak pitching staff? Falvey get on the phone with the Padres.
Paddack, Weathers, Hosmer, Pagan, and Clevenger for Dom Smith, JT Davis, and Jeff McNeill. Who says no? I do that if I’m the Padres
Too many dudes who can’t play d
3 starters a bad contract and a set up guy for 3 platoon guys? Ummm..no.
Perceived surplus aside, we’re not trading 4 arms for none in return. Pads say “pass” on that deal before even scrutinizing the inequitable offer.
The DUMBEST trade offer I’ve ever seen! There’s NO WAY that SD empties their rotation for 3 mid-tier major leaguers.
Mets say no. And pretty quickly. That package isn’t enough to dump Hosmer for an org filler.
.Typical Yankees/Mets fandom trade:
Our Team: Send you our DFAs and junkyard pieces
Your Team: Send us a bag full of your top producing players and highly rated prospects
Sportsfan: add “and you will appreciate the center of the universe even knows your team’s name.
Dodgers and Giants in the AL West now. That should be a headline.
“There’s certainly room for improvement over that group, especially for a team hoping to compete with the Dodgers and Giants in the AL West, two teams who easily surpassed the 100-win plateau last year. “
At least Houston would have some competition then.
Love the Giants, but they were playing way over their heads and talent levels last year. Giants were no where near a 107 win team on paper or according
to experts across the league.
Amazing that a roster full of bounceback players, veterans with something to prove and prior mediocre and underperforming players on the decline cycle of their careers all had career years in the same storybook season.
Farham Zaidi and his Front Office Crew, Scouting Department etc
definitely pulled a bagful of rabbits out of their hats,
Amazing job by that Front Office.
Giants will come back to the pack this year.
Ian Happ, Frank Swindell and Willson Contreras for Hosmer, Campusano, Hassell, Gore and Snell.
It’s fun to play on BTV.
lol. Even better, Frank Swindell for Abrams, Gore, Hassell, Campusano, Snell, Darvish, Musgrove and Clevenger.
Lol yea but May need sweeten the pot even more
Too early to b e smoking crack and talking smack
Worst trade proposal ever.
this really does take the cake
Send the Padres your expensive, declining veteran player retreads for their present and future All Star players?!
Wow!
Ownership would just eat Hosmer’s deal rather than give the Cubs 3-4 foundational
players for over priced, declining players not even good enough to start on the Padres contending team.
Definitely a Swindel !LOL!
Lots of spoiled entitled NY fans crying. Get over it.
Real question is when is a team going to give up a top minor for Montas
As soon as a team has one of their big starters go down or sooner.
Watch the injury list.
A team with a loaded payroll expected to win and one of their “horse starters”
cannot go for weeks or months (Mets fit this bill).
If I am Cohen, I would up my offer for Montas, bite the bullet
and not look back.
Braves and the vastly improved Phillies will not give the Mets a large margin of error waiting for their injured pitchers to get back.
Sure seems like a precursor to another move. It’s not like the Padres need another starter. Maybe a deal with the Mets is next. If so, I hope its for a better starter than Paddock.
I could see Clevenger getting moved. Maybe something like Paddack, Weathers, Hosmer, Pagan, and Clevenger for Smith, Davis, and McNeill
Stop posting this drivel.
Clevinger is not going anywhere.
Padres would hang up on that one sided deal.
Manaea was supposed to pitch against the Padres today in spring . I guess he will now face the A’s , or get work on backfields . Who did we get ?
Keep an eye on 19 year old Angeles, could be a top prospect soon
SD will def trade paddack now. Yankees?
I’m thinking Rangers or Cubs. Hosmer + Paddack + money for a spare part. SD probably wants to get under the tax so when they move Paddack it’ll probably be to clear money.
I agree that the Ranger seem like a better fit.
The Rangers having Hearns, Howard, and Dunning at 3-5 in the starting rotation is not encouraging for them. The Padres could trade from their #6-8 starters and still be providing an upgrade for the back of the Rangers rotation.
Their pen is even more of a mess.
The Rangers announced that Garver will be making 90-100 starts at catcher in 2022 along with starts at 1B and DH, so their only other option at 1B that I can think of is Calhoun.
There is no denying that Hosmer is on a bad contract for the Padres, but he did hit above league average (104 OPS+/110 OPS+ vs RHP) in 2021 while Cahoun hit 20% worse than Hosmer (84 OPS+).
Even at 84 OPS+, Calhoun hit better than Profar.
Not sure of who exactly would be included in a trade between the teams, but there are many fits where both teams would benefit from a trade. It makes sense.
Maybe some combo of Hosmer + $30 million, Paddack or Weathers &/or Pagan, plus a mid-level prospect for a mid level pitching prospect and Calhoun??
Dear Mr. Hahn,
You couldnt do better than that from our farm? Very disappointing.
To Mr. Reinsdorf,
Contact me about the newly available GM opening.
McRat
It’s pretty easy to see a team like these guys over the Sox guys without the Sox massively overpaying.
Angeles started last year at 18 and hit well in full season ball. If you look at a list of guys who hit well in full season ball (especially with good strikeout and walk rates) as teenagers in full season ball, they do quite well.
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I predict the Mets make up for it and trade for joely Rodriguez
You knew of the trade before you posted this I bet 🙂
The West is going to be a cake walk for Houston this season.
Darvish, Weathers
for
Max Kepler
Please tell me we got another catcher…maybe even two catchers back in this trade. We can’t have enough of them
San Diego: 85-77
Oakland: 70-92
I really like Angeles. Just a little more physicality and he will at least be starting 5 days a week.
I think ultimately the Pads couldnt fathom keeping him because of his name
A lot of pressure on the manager and coaches to win now.
Everyone in Baseball handed the 2008 Tigers the World Series before they played a single game in the Grapefruit League. They were in last place April through October.
What a roster that was !!!
As an A’s fan, I’m used to seeing the standard cycle of operation — players come and go, and it starts over again. But, Manaea to me really embodied being an A. While he was never a star, he was a fun guy to watch and I hope he has a good year down in SD.
Gosh, if that’s all it took, Braves should have made this trade. We kinda have a glaring need for starting pitching
Good for padres. Gave up nothing and got 2 valuable players.As need to reassess wtf they are doing. As someone else said how long does this need to go on before the league steps in??
A clear win for the Padres. Acquiring a guy who pitched nearly 200 innings last year with an era beneath 4, while getting his highest percentage of strike out rates he’s gotten his in his career so far. And got him for a “depth prospect” and a 19 year old who’s ways away. While Padres are also getting back a prospect themselves who can throw 100mph.
You’d think the Athletics probably could’ve gotten a bit more for Manaea, or at least get the two prospects without giving up 1 themselves. But you definitely would’ve liked to see the Athletics do a bit better imo.
Had to trade Manaea and had to trade him now so…
Hot take!
The pitcher the A’s acquired is a good 2 or 3 starter. The SS was what Oakland really wanted.
I know fans of teams like to overate players they get in trade but that guy is no way an SP2 or 3. He’s a 25 year old who got ripped up in AAA. He’s a back end innings eater at best.
Why do you keep posting ridiculous comments? The pitcher they acquired isn’t even major league ready
Maybe the padres try to move Snell? I am sure someone would still believe they can fix him and get him back to what he was in Tampa Bay
I’m thinking the same..
Snell is fine as a Padre. I think his name has been dredged up here because other teams want him; it’s not a case of SD trying to move him. Make an offer that’ll blow us away and we might move Snellzilla…
Yeah I don’t see them trading Snell unless they get back a package of greater or equal value to the one they gave up to get him in the first place, which simply isn’t happening.
Genius!
That is a disappointing return from the A’s standpoint. Martinez seems to be a back of the rotation guy who might be able to eat up the innings that Manaea occupied but not likely beyond that. Angeles is like Franklin Baretto in the Donaldson trade – lots of upside but a long way off and therfore high bust potential. That the A’s had to add in Holiday who is a potential late inning reliever who could move fast is surprising.
They had to trade Manaea and they had to trade him now. It happens.
Wow you’re really hitting it on the head Ryan!
Want attention? Get a therapist. Or maybe a dog.
Martinez will be better than you think right now.
that is cheap!
How the Mets passed on this opportunity for the little cost it required is mind blowing!!
So are the Padres going with a 10 man rotation this year?
After all the injuries last year, they might need a 10 man rotation.
Why not? It sure beats using Arrieta and Velasquez, like they did last year!
So why would anyone buy tickets to an A’s game?
To see the actual major league team they happen to be playing that day?
Because, like the Rays, the A’s get top, hungry young players in their trades
that are working hard to prove they belong in the majors and “breaking out”.
A’s have been averaging 90+ wins for most years.
Don’t count them out even with all the trades.
Except the A’s don’t exactly have the best track record with trades. See Josh Donaldson among others. What has saved the A’s has not been Moneyball, it has been their quality starting pitching over the last two decades.
A’s, like the Rays, don’t win every trade.
But, most of the A’s trades have worked out quite well for them over the years.
I disagree. Most A’s trades do not work out well for them. They draft VERY well, but trading is not their best work.
This clearly sets up another trade considering the Padres already had one of the deeper rotations in MLB. San Diego is still looking to upgrade their outfield and potentially their bullpen in order to compete with the Dodgers and Giants. The Padres are also up against the luxury tax threshold which means they’re looking to shed payroll. They have been trying to dump lefty hitting 1B Eric Homer.
There could be a potential trade matchup with the White Sox, not only with the Padres SP depth but also with their excess of catchers. The White Sox are in the market for another SP and a backup catcher, to say nothing of an heir to Yasmani Grandal in two years.
The White Sox farm system has been gutted and is ranked near the bottom of MLB.
Unless the Sox are trading from their major league team, I don’t see a match with the Padres for a trade.
Padres are trying to compete now, I don’t think they want prospects. They really still need OF help, maybe Gavin Sheets is expendable after the Pollack trade?
Obviously a precursor move… Where does Hosmer end up? I am going to say Chicago.
My guess would be one of the smaller market teams ends up taking his salary along with a couple of SP prospects. Would the Padres part with Gore now? It’s not like they need him. I am thinking this could be a GREAT move for the Royals. They are up and coming and could get good PR off Hosmer returning “home” to play.
Would be the stupidest thing Preller could possibly do. Which means he probably does it…
He’s on fiiireee
They won’t part with Gore to rid themselves of Hos. But let’s talk about Hosmer some more…
What is the point of keeping Gore when you have 15 starters ahead of him?
Because Gore is BETTER than most if not all of those 15 starters and because there are going to be injuries in the rotation.
Because in 2024 none of their starting 5 now will be around, and by then Gore will be 1-2 SP
It is amazing how people like you can always tell the future with 100% accuracy. Especially with pitching prospects who NEVER fail to live up to their hype, Just uncanny.
@hiflew Leave the sarcasm to those of us who are good at it buddy.
Musgrove, Clevinger, and Manaea are all FA after 2022. The Padres need to keep quality depth like Gore.
Who says it has to be a precursor move?
No one ever replies to you bro start a new screen name
Only reason I don’t have you muted is so I can clown on you.
Still waiting for you to address your awful awful “Myers for Syndergaard” trade proposals and prediction that the Mets would then trade for Corey Kluber after trading Syndergaard.
LOL Why trade Myers for Syndergaard when we could have just waited 3 years later and sign him as a FA?! Ha hahahahha total Reyna comment. Tryna that’s your new screen name. Reyna
Are you implying that the Padres couldn’t have signed Syndergaard this offseason had they wanted to?
Alright. Now trade Montas.
Tell me again why Oakland’s taxpayers should pony up huge amounts of money? I get it that the present stadium is horrible, but if the team is just going to sell everything down to the fixtures….maybe a different city would make more sense.
Trade Hosmer and Snell to the Angels for Turner Ward. Salary dumb trade. This gets 3 years of bad contracts off the books.
Appears to be a horrible trade for the A’s. All Beane could get was the Padres #13 prospect plus an unranked propect? Yikes!
Martinez has more upside than Manae plus more options. If you look at his stats they are just fine. The SS prospect has huge upside.
Lol. The pitcher is an inning eater high floor guy. Do you actually know anything about prospects? He will be entering his age 26 season and finally made it to AAA last year where he did poorly. He’s not another Aaron Nola here.
The other guy is a hit tool player with questionable power or speed. His athleticism is also suspect. He has a fantastic hit tool but he also isn’t an elite prospect. He’s a good prospect who could develop.
Quit talking about these guys like Oakland just added wander Franco and Aaron Nola
And stop talking like you know everything about baseball.
Questionable speed. The dude stole 36 bases last year. Stop talking like you know something about prospects because you dont.
Huh? How does Martinez have more upside than Manaea? He has never been the prospect that Manaea was before he came to the A’s and at age 26 it is highly unlikely he ever gets close to being as good a major league pitcher as Manaea has been (when healthy). Do you even know what the term upside means?
You said yourself. When healthy.
I appreciate the A’s fans positive attitutes, I just thought Beane could’ve got much more, like maybe even a top 100 guy.
#12 and #26. Martinez could pitch in the majors this year, most likely start in the minors even though he is on the 40 man roster. Angeles is a very good prospect that should move up the prospect list fast. He is only 19 and hit .329 in his first year in pro ball in the US.
Only time will tell but I believe the A’s definitely won this trade. Manaea will not be with the Padres next year. But Martinez will be with the A’s for the next few years and imo will turn into decent pitcher. The key is the SS prospect. If he turns out like his statistics indicate Oakland won today.
So in one hand “only time will tell”, but Oakland won the trade.
So time will only tell yet you’ve announced that Oakland won the trade. Which is it?
And how do you know Manaea won’t stay in SD for ’23 and beyond?
Definitely testing free agency since boras is his agent
He is a FA after this season and he will want the big bucks. SD is not going to pay him.
He’ll stay in San Diego if they pay him. It’s also pretty certain he gets a QO if he pitches to his career averages.
The As were never going to get much for Manaea because he’s a one-year rental. Angeles is as good a gamble as any prospect – he’s very promising
Wow anotha one!
Manaea talked about how much he admires Melvin when he signed with the Padres.
Manaea has already said that he is “ALL IN” with the Padres and would not rule out an extension during the season.
Padres signed high dollar contracts with
Myers
Hosmer
Machado.
Tatis.
Darvish.
So why won’t the Padres pay Manaea?
I said if the prospect turns out like his stats dictate. If that happens the A’s won.
@How About Them A’s Per Baseball America, the A’s received the Padres 10th and 19th best prospects. Martinez profiles as a relief pitcher. He is the player rated as their 19th best prospect. I’m surprised other teams didn’t offer a better package. I think they would have been better off waiting for the deadline. There is always a risk of injury.
Is flipping him to the mets for Nimmo straight up a crazy theory?
Why wouldn’t the Padres just trade for Nimmo directly? Why trade for Manaea as an interim step?
Lol oh Ryan don’t you see you say the same thing everytime
Oh God. Pot meet kettle.
Mets wouldn’t trade Nimmo for prospects and Padres could put the prospect package together for the As that mets could not.
The Mets easily could have put together a better prospect package than Euribiel Angeles and Adrian Martinez. They didn’t do it because they don’t think Sean Manaea is as valuable as SD does. Manaea will not be traded.
Just Preller being Preller!!! He loves to make trades, but they only ocassionally at best workout for the betterment of his team!! Hv no idea why he has a good rep lol……he now has a great starting rotation, but how many will be around by May either thru trade or injury?? Its like the Clevinger deal, great move, but oops 2 secs later lolol
If the Padres need an 1b and OF what about Dom Smith and Canha for Manae,Hosmer + 30 mil, than the Mets trade Hosmer to the Cubs for whatever, than with the $$ saved from Canha and Hosmer, sign Conforto back.
Another trade is coming as soon as today. Clevinger will start the season on the IL.
Because Clev is on IL, a response-trade for OF help might not come. They go into the season with Yu, Joe, Snell, Manaea, Martinez/Paddock
I guess Brian Cashman just isn’t the LEAST bit interested in bolstering the Yankees starting rotation whatsoever. If they make the playoffs and Montgomery is their #2 starter, who the hell is afraid of that? From letting one ace after another sign with other teams to totally ignoring starters that were fully available for next to nothing, Cashman has once again dropped the ball in a huge way. There’s ZERO chance Severino will ever be anything close to what he once was and if the Yankees were smart they’d make him the closer where he could absolutely dominate and save his arm but instead they are going with the wild, out of control Chapman who is well past his prime. If German comes back healthy we might make the playoffs but we could’ve really helped ourselves by picking up two of the A’s high end starters for very cheap. It’s either time for Cashman to step down or even better for Hell Steinbrenner to sell the team to a competent owner who actually wants to win!
The A’s were not just “giving away” those top, young starters for nothing and
“junk prospects”.
Cashman is the King of the Lowball offers.
That is why most of the big trade deals made,
Cashman is on the outside looking in and losing those trade bids,
Latest losing bids: Chapman, Olson, Manaea the list goes on and on and on…
Next Padres trade on the docket with their frequent trading partner the Rays.
OF Austin Meadows.
The Pittsburgh Yankees couldnt better that offer???????
“lowball Cashman” has been losing most of the best players available
in trades for years.
Cash has earned his bonafide reputation of Prospect-Hugger…
A lot of those “can’t miss future Hall of Famer” Yankees prospects have
been big busts for the Yankees and their trading partners,.
Their #1 prospect that OF guy in A ball Florial(SP) ?!
is now the Yankees # 30 prospect.
They are not fooling anyone with their over hyped prospects.
Time to move some of them.
So this is the “hard bargain” the A’s were driving for Manaea? Why wouldn’t another team beat that offer? My Cubs desperately need pitching.
PadrA’s!
I had to go check Baseball-Reference to be 100% sure, but no, Sean Manaea has never been in the Texas Rangers’ organization.
(yes, that’s sarcasm)
Preller is like a fantasy baseball junkie.
He must make trades to stay happy and active with the next shiny objects.
Roster construction?!
Who needs any stinking “balanced roster construction”
.
10 Starters or 5 DHs who can’t hit is OK by Preller
as long as a handful of them used to be employed by the Texas Rangers LOL!
No Manaea, no Bassit, Kaprielian on the IL, Honeywell on the IL. A’s season opening rotation Montas, Irvin, Jeffries, Puk, Oller? Or do they just go with Montas and 4 bullpen games every five days?
Who cares? They should be shooting for the #1 overall pick.
The number one pick in Baseball is not nearly as significant as it is in the NFL or NBA. It’s really nothing to “shoot for”
@Rsox It is when the A’s aren’t winning anything in 2022 anyway.
I think you’re correct that the #1 pick is less significant, but if you’re going to already be bad, I disagree that it’s not something to shoot for. For example, the difference between pick 1 and 5 is a little over $2m (~$8.4m – ~$6.2m in 2021). That can allow you to take some guy(s) you wouldn’t otherwise think you’d be able to sign.
I’m not sure it is something to aim for exactly, but the #1 pick has plenty of value. I’m guessing the #1 might be worth double what the #2 pick is.
If you aren’t going to make the playoffs anyway it 100% is something to aim for.
Dude I don’t know. Without the 2 injured pitchers it is going to be hard to get through 4 innings. Older I believe is better suited for the bullpen.
not complaining just helping anyone looking for the 2nd player the Athletics added… name is spelled euribiel angeles (yes I looked it up so no diss against the writers!!) and he does have an (impressive) bbreference page albeit a brief one.
Go to the Oakland website on MLB.com
It’s spelled Paddack
Not Paddock
Or Paddick
Hmm. Maybe there is hope for you after all. Maybe.
Oh stop being a dackhead.
Local Angelenos are literally (you know you are don’t deny it), shaking in their boots in terms of the Friars. Rotation and team as a whole. Any “Doyers” Fans want to pretend I’m not right here? LMAO- Go ahead….please comment so that you can embarrass yourselves. Dodgers are in fear of the Padres. Anyone on this board who “disagrees” is in denial………I know it and ya know it……Can’t wait for the season.
You got us fans ! We are soooo afraid….Guilty as charged
You know who isn’t afraid tho, Andrew Friedman who just willingly sent ya Matt Beaty
Will you still be posting here if the Padres are .500 at the ASB and 10 back of the Dodgers? (No, I’m not a Dodgers fan)
I was never high on Blake Snell as an ace, but when he’s your #4 and Clevinger is behind him, you know your rotation is good. Let’s see if Padres can actually win with it this year.
Clevinger is coming back from his 2nd tjs and is back on the DL. If the padres can get a little luck with health, they should have a decent rotation, but that’s certainly not a given.
The Padres outfield right now is Trent Grisham, Wil Myers and Jurickson Profar and the team just traded for another starting pitcher. Padres need to worry about being a .500 first before they can entertain any fantasy of competing with the Dodgers or Giants. I continue to be completely unimpressed with A.J. Preller.
@ very barry. Agree that LF is a greater need. If they roster Abrams he helps in OF, but I’m guessing that Preller couldn’t pass up on Manaea because he knows that frees up value in a trade with Paddack or Weathers. They need SP depth with Snell and Clev still needing time. They may not trade any of their pitchers because as it stands theywill enter season with 6 quality SPs, which is deep but not 10 deep like some are saying. Gore and Weathers are back to minors, Clevinger and Morejon on IL, With OFs Hassell (and James Wood, who is an emerging stud who might be better than Hassell) a year or two away, the team won’t likely sign an OF on a long-term contract. So someone like Haniger (more affordable) makes more sense in a trade than does Reynolds.
You missed Beaty.
People are chattering about the light return for the A’s. Manaea has injury issues and I going to bet the under on number of starts at 25.
And he be a free agent after 2022 and if the A’s had held him until after opening day potential acquiring teams wouldn’t have been able to QO him and the offers would have reflected that.
Didn’t he lead the league in GS last year?
No, he had 32, there were a few with 33. He was tied for the lead in the AL, but that’s not what you asked.
What part of “league” did you not understand? The AL is a league. The NL is a separate league. Manaea led the American LEAGUE in starts in 2021.
Brew, he had a shoulder impingement and surgery that ended his 2018 season in August, and wiped out most of his 2019. Since returning in September 2019, he may have missed a single start through 2020 and 2021. As you noted, he tied for the league lead in starts last year, as well as tying or leading in CG’s and shutouts, although the latter two irrelevant due to their infrequency. Minus his 2019, he’s been there for the majority of his starts. He’s a good bet to start 28-32 games for the Padres, unless they use their arm surplus’s to rest their starters more frequently.
Sounds like a horse
I wouldn’t quite say workhorse as he’s probably good for at least one 15- day IL, bit certainly not the fragile pitcher some are pretending.
Does anyone know if the Padres acquired Sean Manea?
Looks like the Friars are the favorites in the NL this year. Wouldn’t be surprised if they win it all over the Blue Jays.
Padres still have some holes in their lineup in OF
The way A’s ownership treats their fanbase is manaeacal.
@sn0048
Then don’t be a fan. If management is not willing to invest in the team, why bother supporting the team in the first place?
I guess Billy Eppler thinks somehow DeGrom is coming back and the “Cookie” has crumbled Carrasco can pitch? Don’t worry he traded a good reliever for a bum like Rodriquez with a 4.61 era.
What an unbelievably bad return for the A’s swap 2 for 2?
If they could have gotten a better return they would have done it. Teams aren’t going to offer more once the season starts and they lose the ability to QO him.
For anyone wondering why the Padres were willing to give up Angeles in this trade, I hope you watched their last three spring training games. 17 year old Victor Acosta has been in them playing against MLB talent and held his own.
They also have #6 &7 prospects Jackson Merrill and Eguy Rosario in the wings
I don’t remember the last time I saw a 17 year old playing in the last game in major league camp. When does he turn 18?
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