The Athletics have traded Sean Manaea to the Padres, according to Mark Feinsand of MLB.com. Earlier today, Andy Martino of SNY had tweeted that Oakland had resumed active conversations about Manaea. Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune reports that the Padres will be sending two prospects to Oakland in return. Per Feinsand, the full trade is Sean Manaea and Aaron Holiday for Eruibiel Angeles and Adrian Martinez.
A Manaea trade has seemed inevitable for quite some time now. It was reported prior to the lockout that the A’s were planning on moving just about any player with significant salary and dwindling team control. Once the lockout ended, they made good on those predictions, trading Chris Bassitt to the Mets, Matt Olson to the Braves and Matt Chapman to the Blue Jays. Since Manaea is heading into free agency at the end of this season and is making $9.75MM this year, he was the logical choice as the next guy packing up his bag. He will now head to San Diego, reuniting with manager Bob Melvin, who was another casualty of the Oakland penny-pinching, as the club allowed him to head to the Padres in a salary-dumping move.
The 30-year-old lefty made his MLB debut in 2016 and immediately established himself with a quality season. In 144 2/3 innings, he put up an ERA of 3.86, along with a 20.9% strikeout rate and 6.2% walk rate. He continued to pitch well over the 2017 and 2018 seasons before being stalled by shoulder surgery in September of 2018. That kept him out of action for around a year, as he returned late in 2019. In the shortened 2020 campaign, he seemed to be back to his old self, throwing 54 innings with an ERA of 4.50. In 2021, he logged another 179 1/3 innings with a 3.91 ERA, cranking his strikeout rate up to 25.7% in the process, a career high for a full season.
For the Padres, this furthers bolsters what was already a very strong rotation that includes Yu Darvish, Joe Musgrove, Blake Snell, Mike Clevinger, Nick Martinez and Chris Paddack, along with up-and-coming options like Reiss Knehr, Ryan Weathers or MacKenzie Gore. Just a few days ago, it was reported that the Padres were considering trading from that rotation depth in order to improve their outfield picture. The addition of Manaea seems to only increase the odds of such a deal coming together.
Their projected outfield currently consists of Trent Grisham in center and Wil Myers in right, with left field being manned by some combination of Jurickson Profar and Matt Beaty. There’s certainly room for improvement over that group, especially for a team hoping to compete with the Dodgers and Giants in the AL West, two teams who easily surpassed the 100-win plateau last year. Recent reports had indicated the club had spoken to the Pirates about a Bryan Reynolds trade, though the last word on that front was that the asking price for Reynolds was “prohibitive.”
The Padres were one of two teams to have paid the luxury tax in 2021, along with the Dodgers. That means they would be subject to escalating penalties if they were to pay the tax again this year. The new CBA bumped up the lowest tax line from $210MM to $230MM, which gave the Padres a bit of breathing space, as their luxury tax number has been between those two numbers for most of the offseason. Since the signing of that new CBA and the end of the lockout, they have been fairly quiet, apart from their acquisition of Luke Voit. With the acquisition of Manaea, their luxury tax number is now just over the line at $233MM, according to Jason Martinez of Roster Resource. Perhaps they are willing to pay the tax yet again, or further trade could allow them to limbo back under the line. Rumors have swirled for years about their attempts to move Eric Hosmer and the four years and $59MM remaining on his deal. Just a few days ago, they were apparently discussing such a deal with the Mets, though those talks have apparently stalled.
For the Athletics, their fire sale has reduced their 2021 payroll to around $50MM in actual dollars, per Roster Resource. They haven’t had a number that low since 2008, leaving aside the pandemic-shortened 2020 campaign. (Hat tip to Cot’s Baseball Contracts.) That number could potentially drop even lower if the club lines up a deal on Frankie Montas or Ramon Laureano, though they could also add in a veteran on a modest short-term deal, like those they gave to Stephen Vogt and Jed Lowrie.
The rotation in Oakland won’t just be lacking Bassitt and Manaea, as James Kaprielian and Brent Honeywell Jr. are likely to begin the season on the IL. Montas will be at the front of the group if he’s still around, with Cole Irvin, Daulton Jefferies, Paul Blackburn, Adam Oller and Zach Logue among the options to take the spots behind him.
One of today’s acquisitions, Adrian Martinez, is an option to serve as rotation depth immediately, as he is on the 40-man roster and made it up to the highest levels of the minors last year. In 80 2/3 Double-A innings, he put up a 2.34 ERA along with a 25.4% strikeout rate and 7.3% walk rate. He struggled a bit in his first taste of Triple-A, throwing 44 1/3 innings with his ERA jumping up to 5.28, along with a deflated strikeout rate of 19.9% and 8.7% walk rate. He’s just 25 years old and has options, meaning he’s likely ticketed for further time in Triple-A.
The other piece of their return will be more of a long-term play, as Angeles is just 19 years old. Last year, he split his time between A-ball and High-A, while lining up at second base, third base and shortstop. In 105 games, his combined slash line was .329/.392/.445, for a wRC+ of 125, along with 19 stolen bases. Although the A’s will need to be patient given his age, he might be the real “get” for Oakland, as he was San Diego’s #12 prospect at MLB Pipeline before the deal, with Martinez coming in at #26.
Alongside Manaea, the Padres are also adding some bullpen depth with the acquisition of Holiday. The 21-year-old was just selected by the A’s last year, in the 13th round of the 2021 draft. He only has 5 2/3 innings of professional experience under his belt at this point, all of that coming in the Complex League last year. Despite that limited resume, R.J. Anderson of CBS Sports relays that he was hitting over 100mph on the radar gun this offseason.
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Am I the only one expecting to hear before the day is over that Sean Manaea and Eric Hosner have just been traded to the Mets?
Is this all you’re up to these days? Looking out for edits on mistyped posts on mlbtr? Isn’t there another Wes Anderson film you are working on?
I’m guessing one of the Padres other starters. Either way..got a feeling a mega deal is coming
Yeah but not Paddack. I think the Padres wanted to package Hosmer and Paddack but the Mets said they either wanted a better SP in exchange for taking on Hos’ salary, or the Padres to retain more $, which the Pads can’t do because the real endgame is signing Conforto and they have no interest in Dom Smith. I’m guessing the Mets end up taking most of Hosmer’s salary, convince Alonso to DH some days, and take Clevinger or Snell instead of Paddack. The Pads deal with Conforto is probably already negotiated.
What do you do with Robinson Cano, he’s the DH. 2 yrs— 40M still remaining… Hopefully at 39, still can hit? They Don’t need HOSMER CONTRACT, even if Friars are paying $34M OUT OF 59M( 4 yrs still remaining on contract)… Yes, they need starting pitching with DeGrom out for 2 months… this can go further because he does not want to pitch until perfectly healthy, wants to opt out of contract at end of season… If Mets hopefully get 2 months out of DeGrom, sounds like last yr shut down… Tough way to start season…
No way in hell is preller trading Snell or clev, if anything itl be paddack weathers or morejon
He would have to attach Gore or Hassell to trade Clevinger anyway
Padres have no interest in Conforto. That much was clear in earlier comments about LF. Considering the fact that Conforto was not even as good as Hosmer with the bat (or in the field) last season combined with his offseason injury to a shoulder that he already had surgery on, its obvious why no one has signed him.
The Mets probably don’t want Clevinger who is coming off his 2nd TJ and who is likely to start the season on the IL.
The Mets don’t have to “convince” Alonso to be DH, they just have to write his name on the lineup card at DH instead of 1B.
The Padres were offering slightly more than half of Hosmer’s contract and from news coming out of NY, that was not the hangup. Paddack’s medicals were.
Much easier for Mets to just trade Mauricio and Ziegler to A’s for Montas.
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LMAO. you’re nuts. clevinger has 1 year left on a pretty cheap deal. they’re not trading him and if they do, they ain’t attaching a bag of peanuts to that trade much less gore or hassell.
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As long as it’s this “Hosner” you speak of, I think it could happen 🙂
But there isn’t a GM desperate enough to take 4 years of Eric Hosmer without taking something back. The Mets, specifically, already have the albatross that is Robinson Cano taking up a roster spot. Unless he is going back to the Padres, the Mets ain’t taking Hosmer.
Why would they trade for Manaea to package him with Hosmer wouldn’t it make more sense to package those prospects with Hosmer and not include Manaea at all?
Yup def a Ryan comment
Manaea played for Melvin in oakland.padres. will trade someone else
If a trade with the Mets that included Manaea was going to happen, a 3 team trade would have already happened.
Paddock for Smith
Outstanding trade for the Padres!
I thought it would take a good bit more to get Manea than that.
Damn is right. The Padres are still not gonna make the playoffs after this, getting voit and one more playoff slot.
Well, the Padres will have to trade one of their starting pitchers soon they have a lot like 7 starting pitchers as of right now.
Seven man rotation for 2 to 3 weeks is a nice luxury to start the year
They actually have 10, darvish musgrove Snell clevinger paddack gore weathers Martinez morejon manaea
Morejon will miss the first 3 months, Clev will start the season on IL and Gore will be sent to AAA which leaves 7. One gets moved and now we have our 6 man rotation for April…
Snell prob starts the season on the IL as well
Unless he his gets hurt they probably start him a piggy paddack with him to start the season to ease him in.
Morejon is on the 60 day IL recovering from TJ surgery he hadd at the end of April last season. He might be back by the ASG. Clevinger will start the season on the IL.
Still have Darvish, Musgrove, Manaea, Snell, Paddack, and Martinez on the 28/26 man roster with Gore and Weathers starting the season in AAA.
Yankees need to act now Gallo for snell straight up.
What needs to happen is for everyone to refuse to trade with the Yankees at all unless they are getting back Dominguez.
Or they can ask for one of their other good prospects. Plenty more in that system besides Dominguez.
But but I thought EVERYONE wanted Frazier and Andujar!
Wow! Good job
Wow! NL West trying to one-up NL East in best division
The NL East is never as good as everyone predicts it to be (except maybe 2019). All of this assuming the Padres bounce back, and the Giants continue to win games this year.
The NL east has won two of the last three world series.
That’s true, but neither were the best team in the playoffs either year. I’m thinking more like divisional records. Last year the Braves only needed 88 wins to make the playoffs (2nd place was Phillies with 82 wins), 2018 they only needed 90 wins (2nd place was Nationals with 82 wins) just like the 2015 Mets (2nd place was Nationals with 83 wins), and while the Nats won between 95-97 games when they would win the division in ’14, ’16, ’17, they would usually win it by 8 or more games. Braves in 2013 also won the division by 10 games (2nd place was Nationals with 86 wins).
A lot of people are predicting the NL East to be a good division this year, and I just have a hard time seeing it based on 7 of the last 9 years. The Braves are the only team I feel positive will finish with more than 87 wins in the division this year.
Records would actually be worse in the more competitive division. The NLW has two horrific teams, 1 elite team and 2 good teams. The NLE has 1 elite team. 3 good teams. 1 bad team.
The Nats and Marlins are bad teams so it’s 2. And the Phillies from 2013-2021 were mediocre, at best.
I would say the Marlins are competitive, but not quite as competitive as the Phillies and Mets.
Records are worse in a more competitive division that’s true, but the point I was making was that there’s been a recurring theme in the NL East of a wide gap between the 1st and 2nd place teams. Last year’s 2nd place team had a record barely above “.500” and the 2nd place team most other years didn’t come within 8 games of 1st place. For the sake of entertainment, I hope the NL East this year is more like the NL East of 2019.
In the case of the NL West, I actually do think that the Rockies do not look bad on paper, but there are at least 3 other teams in that division that either have better management (Giants), more talent (Padres), or both (Dodgers). And because of this, the Rockies will still finish with a record less than 74 wins.
Rockies were only 4.5 games worse than the Padres last year. Same record as the Royals, and 18 games better than the Dbacks. They aren’t in the same sucking league as Arizona.
To me these stats emphasize how bad the bottom of the NLW is.
agreed. records are worse in a more competitive division because the teams all beat up on each other
That doesn’t make them the best teams, that just means they got hot in October after getting a free spot in the playoffs. The Braves had the worst record of ALL NL playoff teams last year. They were just lucky they were in the East, otherwise they would have had to travel to St. Louis for a 1 game Wild Card and been an underdog.
No, it emphasizes how good the top of the NLW is. If not for its games against the Dodgers and Giants, the Rockies would have had a winning record and finished a few games short of a playoff spot.
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@Fred, I assume you are referring to the FO, bud black is a good quality manager hampered by a bad FO and a unique stadium situation that limits his and the teams ability to acquire quality pitching.
Not to mention, the Braves had a worse record than both Toronto and Seattle, neither of whom made it to the playoffs.
More a reflection of how much a crapshoot the playoffs are than anything else. The Jays swept Atlanta in 2021, yet missed the playoffs despite 91 wins (the AL East is a beast). Put any NL East team into the AL East and watch them burn. Only Baltimore would fail to win in any other division except maybe the NL West (the other beast division).
Going by rWAR you get 4 AL East teams in the top 10 for most rWAR in 2021. 2 NL West (LAD/SF 1/2), 1 each for the other divisions (Astros-ChiSox-Brewers-Atlanta). And for 2022 you have 3 going nuts for spending (Boston/NYY/Toronto), the Rays are the the Rays. Must really suck for Baltimore fans.
I’m a Mets Fan, but with DeGrom going down, other than Scherzer, I’m not impressed with their starting pitching… I feel the Braves are loaded, hitting, pitching , Siroka & Acuna is coming back sometime this yr… Braves have the edge over the Mets…DON’T SLEEP On MARLINS, PITCHING IS LOADED, they brought in MVP OF SERIES SOLER, Avasail Garcia, if they can get hitting together, because of pitching they will hang around all yr… Phillies have the hitting, no D, pitching suspect… NL WEST LOADED, DODGERS, PADRES, GIANTS, ROCKIES WILL BE FEISTY & spoilers… AL EAST ABSOLUTELY LOADED…. Everyone but Orioles… HAPPY OPENING DAY!
An elite team wins 100 games during the regular season in my opinion.
The NL Least has one good team (the Braves), two mediocre teams, and 2 terrible teams. If both deGrom and Scherzer where not starting the season on the IL I would say two good teams, but until both those guys are healthy the Mets are just mediocre.
The NL West has 2 elite teams, 1 good team, and two terrible teams.
You can’t just make such a simple statement for something so complex though. Sometimes they can all beat up on each other and have bad records because none of them are great and they get beaten regularly by the other divisions. To determine whether the division is stronger or weaker you need much more than the W/L records against their own division.
@jnorthey In early May. I mean, the Braves had 5 guys in their starting lineup batting barely over the mendoza line (including Freddie Freeman). Fried was terrible, and they had several guys in their bullpen who had no right to be there. The point is, it doesn’t matter how you start it’s how you finish. As far as the Jays go, If they didn’t go 10-0 against the Braves and Marlins (who they won’t be facing this year) they wouldn’t look as good as they actually were. Not to mention the career years Ray and Semien had. To everyone that’s upset that the team with the lowest regular season win total of all playoff teams that happened to win the WS, just be sure to hold that same energy for past teams (00 Yankees, 06′ Cardinals) and teams moving forward (even if it’s your favorite team)
2 World Series champions in this so called inferior division meanwhile the Dodgers choke year after year with their $300 mil payroll only getting a pseudo championship during a 60 game season.
Then they go out and steal Freeman and trade for the Braves former closer Kimbrel. Sounds like they’re trying to be Braves 2.0 out there in LA because they’ve yet to win a real championship.
Not to mention Trea Turner, Treinen, and Daniel Hudson. All they do is poach from the NL East and still can’t get it done.
@hi. The Braves didn’t get a free spot dude. Baseball isn’t the NBA with these rules. Does the last team in the playoffs this year get a free spot due to the rule change???? What happens if a team with a worse record wins with the new expanded playoffs????
The Padres stunk last year so being 4.5 from them isn’t a badge of honor. The Rockies would have been dead last in the NLE. Rockies and Diamondbacks are terrible and Kris Bryant isn’t going to move the needle all that much. The Giants and Dodgers were amazing teams, but it’s a top heavy division with 2 bottom feeders. The top talent in the NLW. NLW has better top talent. NLE has more middling teams (outside of the Braves who I would put close to the Dodgers) which makes it a better division in my mind.
If you gave the Rockies a .500 record against the Dodgers and Giants they reach 83 wins and still finish 7 games behind the Cardinals for the final playoff spot.
The Dodgers and Giants record combined outside of the NL West was just as good as it was against the NL West.
No one is denying the Dodgers and Giants were very good. I’m saying no one else in that division was. It’s a top heavy division is my point.
No one is denying that the Padres are very good either.
To start the season, only SS is a below league average hitter (until Tatis returns and then he is top 3-4). Even LF is above league average when Beaty is playing there. Not many teams can say that.
Starting rotation is top 5 or 6 in baseball.
Without Posey’s big offense, the Giants won’t be near as good.
AL East all day.
ALE is a very good division with one bottom feeder. You can make the case for ALE being the best division in baseball..I wouldn’t argue. I am arguing the NLW though.
NL West and NL East are looking quite impressive this year.
If the NL east was a good division, it wouldnt have allowed a MASH unit like the Braves to hang around all year and eventually win it. Credit to the Braves for sure, but let’s not go boasting about a division that allows that to happen
The Mets spent a small fortune this off season and really have not improved. Sure, they brought in Scherzer, Bassitt, Cahan but they lost Baez, Thor, Stroman, Conforto, Villar and a mess of relievers. Now you have DeGrom and Scherzer both banged up…
The Phillies, not sure what the hell they are doing in the East… worst fielding team in all of baseball last year and went out of their way to get worse this year, they did nothing to improve their rotation and little to improve their bullpen.
The Braves honestly look like they can cruise right into the playoffs if Acuna is healthy.
I’m a Mets fan, I agree… Who knows what DeGrom has left— Scherzer? Need to see this Mets team. BRAVES ARE LOADED… Siroka, Acuna coming back too…
Phillies have added at least 5 pieces to their bullpen depth: Corey Knebel, Brad Hand, Jeurys Familia and many more major league and minor league depth pieces.
Phillies rotation has been upgraded last year and more young talent on the way.
Gregorious is healthy and and can better handle SS or 3B.
Rookie Bryson Stott is ready for SS or 3B a huge defensive and offensive upgrade.
Matt Vierling looks like a Defensive upgrade in CF.
And, Dombrowksi/Phillies are not done making moves.
Getting SS, 3B and CF under control dramatically improves Phillies D.
And, Phillies can hit and score tons of runs.
Too early to speculate on any team. So much changes year to year. Play out the season first.
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Preller getting it done.
You Can Put It In The Books
Preller gives A’s #12 and #26 prospects for a top SP arm.
Braves gave the A’s their #2 and #3 and the rights to the sanity of their fanbase for the least valuable position on the field.
Don’t be like the Braves.
Lol this is such a bad take.
We always dog the big contracts to over 30 year olds only to ream the Braves for being proactive and locking down a stud 1B in his prime.
Easier to be a commentator than GM, for sure.
Manaea only has 1 year of control and is 30.
Olson had 2 years of control at the time of the trade and is 2 years younger.
Olson is 10 x the player Manaea is. Olson is a all star while Manaea is a #3 starter on a team.
Eruibiel Angeles may be a #12 Pads prospect now but the 19 year old is projected to rise rapidly – I think he’ll be a top 20 prospect in 2 years. So they potentially gave up a lot for one year of Manaea. Given the 10 SPs now on roster, I’m guessing they will deal one soon, probably later today. This trade marks the first moment that I actually believe something is in the works with the Mets and Cubs.
That Preller guy sure sucks at drafting, Sike!
He is a FA after 2023.
@liberty – Not sure who you’re talking about.
Manaea is a free agent after 2022. Months 2023.
@Brew88 Just goes to show how good Preller is at acquiring amateur talent. Too bad he isn’t as good at trades and developing that talent.
That Preller got someone to fit in the #2-#3 slot behind Darvish and Musgrove without touching his top ten prospects was a fantastic deal even if its just for one year.
Manaea’s comments about Melvin after his signing with the Padres are a very good sign for signing him to an extension.
The biggest issue is this takes the Padres over the CBT threshold for a 2nd straight year.
Preller is very good at drafting, it’s everything else he sucks at.
@Brew88 Exactly right. Nearly everyone is dismissing the trade of a TOR starter for a minor league infielder. However, Angeles profiles very similarly to Tatis and CJ Abrams. If you recall, Tatis was picked up in a trade for a starting pitcher named Shields, and the word at that time, was that the Padres “gave away” Shields for “nothing” to get rid of his contract. That “nothing” turned out to be the Tatis lottery ticket. At the time of that trade, Tatis was 17 years old, and hadn’t played even a single, professional game yet (e.g. single A, though I think he was in some rookie league games).
I think that the A’s are taking a shot that Angeles will become a high profile, 5-tool, SS/IF. It’s the kind of risk a team needs to take, to acquire talent like a Tatis, though there’s never any guarantees about a prospect. High(er) risk, high(est) upside. I think that the A’s are right, too, in their gamble.
I’m with Old Salt on this one. The A’s had to trade Sean Manaea. Angeles is very much a lottery ticket. But as we saw with Tatis, sometimes lottery tickets pay off.
Who has Preller drafted that has established themselves as a MLB star? Seriously, Preller has had a TON of top prospects but take a look at their roster and what has that highly touted farm system produced? Paddock and Weather both had ERA’s over 5, Croenworth, Tatis and Grisham all came from other organizations.
So as of right now, Preller’s draft history has resulted in zero high leverage bullpen arms, zero impact position players and zero mid-TOR rotation arms… but they were ranked really high at one time so there is that.
The Padres have never had a pitcher named Paddock.
Any pitcher named Paddock would have to be an innings-eating horse.
I’ll show myself out.
Angeles is 19 and just had his first taste of pro ball in 2021. He is a good prospect, but not in the class of Tatis or Abrams. He is a high contact hitter that plays decent defense, but has little power. Certainly not a 5 tool player. Eventually he will be moved to 2B.
At 19 Tatis started the season in AA and was a consensus top 10 overall prospect in baseball. Abrams, like all minor leaguers, missed the 2020 season when he turned 19 and was a consensus top 10 prospect in baseball to start the 2021 season at age 20.
Preller didn’t draft him, the Marlins did, but Paddack has a 4.21 ERA career.
Not all trades happen in a vacuum.
Don’t be like the Braves? LOL. Are you aware they are defending WS champions? I am surely no Braves fan but they are on top until proven otherwise.
Ha ha, using team’s win-loss record to tell you who’s better? That’s the same as using a pitcher’s win-loss record to tell you who’s better. Meaningless. Postseason baby, that’s where it’s at. Otherwise, just play the season and be done. The postseason is everything.
162 games vs a 4 game series…ok dude.
It’s not how you do against meh teams, it’s how you do against the good teams.
The Yankees pound out 95 wins every year and have one WC in 22 years. Same as the Braves.
Marathons are decided in the late miles just like baseball seasons. Your regular season gets you there. But then you find out if it’s real.
This is one of the dumbest takes I’ve read on here and that’s really saying something.
Braves made a great deal for an All Star platinum glove 1B who hits 30+ home runs per year and is younger, cheaper than Freeman.
Love Freeman, but if they could not bridge the contract divide,
Olson is a great plan B.
No amount of Steve Cohen money or Dodger spending sprees will ever be as destructive to this sport as the owners of teams like the A’s. So embarrassing to watch a playoff caliber team just torpedo everything because some arbitration raises were coming.
The A’s can’t build anything until their stadium is built. It sucks as a fan, but it is what it is.
When the A’s have a new stadium in a decade and still have, like, the 27th ranked payroll, get back at me.
They play in a football stadium where fans won’t go to the games because it’s such a bad experience. In terms of revenue, it’s a wasteland, with nothing near the ballpark besides another abandoned stadium. Put a stadium in Howard Terminal and fans will come back. “If you build it, they will come”
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Oh no! Not the deep east bay!
The Athletics’ fans never really gave a **** and didn’t support the team with the attendance you’d expect to see if 95+ win teams. So whole looking at their organization as though they’re just cheap is not the full picture.
They win. They don’t tank, they tear apart and rebuild. Year in and year out they’re competitive, or really good.
Also, the payroll a team has is their problem. If ownership doesn’t want to blow a bunch of money on players, that is literally ownership’s business.
The new stadium will change that, whether you think so or not.
The new stadium won’t change anything and there will be no new stadium in Oakland. They will be in Southern Nevada
The A’s and the Reds voted against the CBA, and they have had fire-sales on their respective rosters since. These two teams are currently an embarrassment to baseball, and this is coming from a fan of an abysmal franchise/owner.
Agreed. The new stadium is an excuse to real state condos, hotels, mall, you name it. Vegas is their final stop. It’s very sad…
low country joe blaming the fans instead of ownership is laughable. if you own a restaurant and you sell over priced terrible food, and no one comes, is it the customers fault for turning down such a horrible experience? no, it’s on ownership
They literally do rebuild. Constantly. They tear down the entire team every few years. Look at their records. They CONSTANTLY AND DELIBERATELY cycle themselves in and out of contention rather than build on a team that’s almost there. For every little window of 90ish win seasons, there’s a window of 90ish loss seasons.
And if you think a team can’t be criticized for cutting payroll when they’re on the verge of competing, then leave that silly tripe to yourself. I happen to think it *is* the fans’ business if their ownership is pocketing profits rather than putting their team over the top. The ownership model as a whole is dumb enough as is. It’s even dumber when teams aren’t forced to try to compete (i.e. a salary floor).
Candy, so to clarify… they operate like a team that doesn’t draw any people..,
“If you build it, they will come”“.
Read about Miami needing a new park for 20 years.
They got it.
Last year they finished last in home attendance in MLB.
A bad baseball market is a bad baseball market.
Bay area baseball fans watch and support the Giants. Have since the day the A’s moved to Oakland.
Miami’s Ownership has been bad for decades.
Meet the New Boss, same as the Old Boss,
Except the Marlins did receive an uptick in attendance the first yr or so in the new stadium. Do you even remember how bad is was for them during the Pro Player Stadium days?
Athletics fans have to travel too far to see their team play .
Traffic is really bad in the SF Bay Area for many of these night games with rush hour a B****..
A big chuck of A’s fans are from Santa Clara County/Silicon Valley.
A new stadium tucked away on the Oakland side of the Bay does
not help those fans.
Braves moved to a new stadium closer to their fan base.
A’s would be more financially successful and sell out many of their games
if they played in Santa Clara County/Silicon Valley/San Jose area.
San Jose has a City population of well over a million with millions more in the suburban areas of Santa Clara County. . Oakland has a population of about 500K. San Francisco about 750K. The numbers just don’t work for the A’s in Oakland.
That’s bull. They have one of the top five richest owners in the league. Fisher won’t spend any money. He’s selfish and destroying baseball.
hey Fred ask SJ earthquakes fans how much John Fisher has committed to their team since getting a new stadium. the A’s will be no different.
Yes, Fisher is awful and I’m not defending him. They desperately need a stadium, though. If not, Vegas will gladly take them.
Vegas can have them.
Fred, you really believe that? That a scion of the Gap family, who has a background in investing, can’t shell out more dough?
He could, but what would the ROI, really be. Read this, too, and comment On what YOU would do if you were an owner. And then we’ll critique a response as through the lens of an investment/business decision.
@fred That is complete BS. The A’s are in the 6th largest TV market in the country and their revenue is expected to be over $300 million in 2022. That is why the other MLB owners want to take them off the list of teams receiving revenue sharing.
They can build. A $150 million payroll is within reason for the team. The owner would just rather pocket the profits than build a winning team every year.
I feel for the A’s fans.
thats why it baffles me why people think the A’s will move DESPITE the crappy attendance, DESPITE the constant tear-downs and “rebuilds”, DESPITE the cheapness of John Fisher. Lets face facts: One of the largest reasons why Baseball hasn’t seen a relocation since 2004 (compared to other leagues) is because of the TV Market prioritization the MLB tends to show favor towards. Casual sports fans can drool over a Portland, OR or a Las Vegas, NV baseball team all they want, but in the end, as long as a team has it’s viewers glued on a television screen, no matter how awful their situation is, they will stay put.
The biggest reason no MLB relocations for many years is MLB has an Antitrust anti competitive clause/exemption in the law.
Otherwise, the A’s would be in San Jose/Santa Clara County at least 10 years ago.
SF Giants ownership and Commish’s office are
“backstabbing the A’s” to keep them out of San Jose/Santa Clara County Silicon Valley where many of the lucrative corporate high tech HQs and corporate sponsorships are located.
A’s helped save Giants for SF Bay Area when they were moving to Tampa.
Giants return the favor by backstabbing the A’s and SF Bay Area baseball fans.
Share the SF Bay Area market 100% like the Yankees/Mets, White Sox/Cubs,
Portland is a top 20 TV market. Las Vegas is outside the top 40.
The national TV deals that MLB negotiated preclude allowing teams to move to small markets without MLB giving up money. Any talk of moving to Las Vegas is BS.
Jettisoning overrated players on a sell-high is good business.
Torpedoing a highly competitive team to save a few bucks in arbitration costs and throw yourself back into the cellar for a few years is pathetic, actually. You don’t have to simp for ownership’s wallet.
Given the supposed depth of the Padres farm, in hindsight it makes sense. Teams can’t continue to keep everyone on the 40 man roster and Manaea while having upside, has been inconsistent. That said, how many would have liked him on “your” team? Both my hands are raised…
Been happy to take him on my team too, Dewey.
SD’s farm is depleted and nothing what i once was
Still top 10 in baseball
Not being an emotional 12 year old and recognizing that businesses run based on the revenue they generate, not the owners net worth isn’t simping…unless you’re an emotional 12 year old.
3 or 4 in top 50 prospects, depending on if you like MLB, BA, or BP better.
Exactly which of the players “jettisoned” were overrated?
These aren’t the #’s of a contributor on a “playoff caliber team,” and they aren’t the #’s of a player you build around, especially when they’re already 30 years old and spent their “prime” years constantly injured.
You might have a point if this wasn’t the 10 billionth A’s player jettisoned in the time it took you to reply.
Classic. Exaggerate belligerently. “10 billionth overrated player” woo, I can do it too.
You’re really gonna fixate on the exaggeration rather than the obvious underlying truth, ain’t ya?
They let Gomes, Canha, and Marte walk. Fine, I guess. Canha in particular wasn’t gonna fit with the money due in FA. Then they trade off Olson, Chapman, Bassitt, and now Manaea. That’s 4 of their most productive 7 offensive players, and 2 of their 3 best SPs from 2021, with speculation still swirling that the third of those 3 might go.
So from an 86 win team that probably needed one more contributor to make them a major contender, you just subtracted 22 WAR off last season *just* for the purpose of saving money. They reset an open contention window to save a billionaire some raises. There’s no excuse. It’s pathetic.
True, but just those players mentioned save over $100M this season alone. Then they all get increasingly more expensive. Then look at the fact that only a few are worth their salary…The A’s made the smart move actually. They weren’t winning anything with those guys + any single player.
They slammed the window shut on a contention period to save a billionaire a few bucks. You people really need to stop deluding yourself with the narrative set by ultra-rich people that they are doing “smart business” rather than just being cheap. The teams are suppose to compete. The fans are supposed to want them to compete. They had a chance right now to do that. And they said “nah let’s pocket some dough” instead. It’s bad for the sport. Straight up.
Not defending the owner, but if you have been an A’s fan for more than a couple of years you grow accustomed to this approach every 7-8 years.
I’m well aware of the A’s history of frugality. The fact it happens so often is exactly my point. It’s bad for the sport as a whole.
What is bad for the sport is teams that do not rebuild and stay satisfied with a .500 team that never makes the playoffs. Either have a vision of the future or win.
This time they are not coming back for many many years. The prospects they have gotten are average with no potential standouts. They are done.
Candy, are you a partial fact moron every day of your life? (..asking for others. )
You got anything to contribute here, skippy, or you just Big Mad that the trash billionaires got called out?
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Me personally, I’m a fan of Jif
Ric? Huh? How do you know?
I’m sorry, did you just go off on a total stranger being an “epic failure” for the crime of…uh…criticizing a billionaire’s strategies?
Get yourself checked out, my man. Sounds like projection. Not a normal human response. You’re muted now. Bye.
Candy: see your jealousy is coming out. I’m not saying the owner is phenomenal but he’s operating a low revenue team like a low market team should be run. They’re awful for baseball yet they are continually competitive.
You just don’t like rich people, you put forth zero basis on how they can operate a team more efficiently. Just whining.
Ps. A guy that mutes people after simply having a conversation is a coward.
One more contributer…
You obviously didn’t watch the A’s last year.
To compete this year they would have had to add:
A replacement for Marte
A replacement for Canha
An early season replacement for Laureano
A real TOR starter
SP depth other than Blackburn. Jeffries, Puk
and an entire bullpen
Drag, he is a failure with partial facts. Muting is just admission that facts hurt. I shed a tear.
But perpetually rebuilding isn’t a vision of the future,
Downvoter: he’s all over the place. First he says how ownership is bad and people won’t come to see a lousy product. And in next post, he’s discussing how close they were to winning and how great the players were that they traded away. It’s baffling.
Damascusj: what would you do? What would your vision be? I’m curious
Haha, you think he has a job? That’s a good one.
“Worth their salary”? ALL of the players the A’s have traded put up performance in 2021 that was worth far more than their 2022 salaries.
Matt Olson – 5.8 WAR – Value $46.4 million
Matt Chapman – 3.5 WAR – Value $28.0 million
Chris Bassitt – 3.9 WAR – Value $31.2 million
Sean Manaea – 3.2 WAR – Value $25.6 million
No one is saying Manaea is going to be the Padres Ace. The left handed Manaea IS going to slot in nicely between righties Darvish and Musgrove.
A 3.91 ERA with a 3.66 FIP and 9.7 K/9 and 4.73 K/W is very much a contributor on a “playoff caliber team”.
Only two of the WS winning Braves starters were better overall. Only 2 of the Astros starters, McCullers and Garcia, were better overall and none of their starters threw as many innings. Of all the playoff teams in 2021, only the Brewers and Dodgers had 3 starters better than Manaea.
No team builds around a guy that has one year left on his contract. They trade mid-level prospects for a guy that can add to an already solid staff to put them over the top. That is what the Padres did.
Isn’t that the point ?? When Dodgers buy all the best free agents teams say why try? Just look at Vegas odds for dodgers wins and to win World Series.
Other than Freeman, who are all these “best free agents”?
“Destructive” is a good description of the problem. How long is MLB going to wait? Billy Beane has the best job on earth. He wins and he’s a genius, he loses and it’s “small market” underdog talk. Relocate the A’s.
And Oakland is hardly a small market. The SF-Oak-SJ market is the 6th largest in the country. Somehow MLB has gotten fans to believe there are two large markets and 28 small markets.
LordD, I agree. I used to laugh when Toronto was considered small market (JP Ricciardi and his five-year plan).
Lord99,are you a moron too? Please show the As tv revenue as a part of that 6th largest market, since you apparently have all the facts.
I mean in 2020, the A’s received little more than half the tv revenue of…. The Mariners.
The A’s will receive over $60 million in 2022 from their local TV deal that has an opt out after the 2023 season. An opt out they are certain to exercise.
When the $1 billion deal was signed in 2009, the $41 million the A’s were receiving each season through 2016 was considered decent, but not great. The $60+ million they will receive in 2022 is middle of the pack, but not great.
Major problem for A’s has been the backstabbing by the
SF Giants ownership and MLB.
A’s helped save the Giants from moving to Tampa.
SF Giants ownership with Comish’s office help, has blocked
A’s from moving to Santa Clara County/Silicon Valley.
Giants have been trying to force the A’s our of the SF Bay Area ever since.
SF Giants want an anti competitive monopoly on the SF Bay Area and N Cal,
To be fair, Beane has had one foot out the door for years with RedBall Acquisitions. Had his deal with Fenway Sports Group not fallen through, he would’ve peaced out of Oakland.
Change ownership. Its not about location or revenue. They are in the 6th largest TV market in the US and they have over $300 million in revenue. It’s about an owner who would rather take a profit than compete every year.
Repeal Baseball’s anti trust exemption and let the A’s move to Santa Clara County/Silicon Valley rich in corporate sponsorships and high income, high tech professionals and fans who will sell out the A’s games.
Yet the A’s will be back in the playoffs in a few years and the Padres will still be trying to collect shiny toys and still underachieving.
Vegas is gonna be a tough place to pitch, don’t count on it.
I’m not backing the owner here but from a business perspective, which I know most fans can’t grasp— it’s hard to have a $150 mill payroll when you have 10 fans and limited local tv revenue.
… and part of the reason WHY there are only 10 people at games is ownership. if a business is failing is it not ownerships responsibility to fix the problem?
Also, in 2018-19, A’s attendance was up while it stagnated or went down league wide.
It’s such a strawman to suggest I’m lamenting that the A’s won’t spent $150m when they’re about to walk into 2022 with a $43m payroll.
It’s basically a self fulfilling prophecy
It’s simply not true. Somehow you pretend that lack of fans has nothing to do with the problem.
It’s the typical, blame the owner bs.
I’m an owner, why would I spend so much money on a team nobody will come watch anyway?
And I guess I should just let players like Olson and Chapman get to free agency… and get nothing in return.
Meanwhile the A’s, with no fans have been pretty consistently competitive over last 20 years….
And people still whine.
Bkwalker: you make it sound like the A’s have been the Pirates. If fans can’t come out to see a 90+ win team, they shouldn’t have a team. It’s simple.
again, in any other business, if you offer an overpriced product that is mediocre at best, why should people give you their money? if you can’t solve the issue as an owner, perhaps you should sell your business and do something else. because you are terrible at capitalism.
You obviously haven’t been to a game at the coliseum in awhile.
It isn’t just the location, it is the people that actually work there.
It’s like the place is run by children.
The ticket prices are way too much for the experience.
I tried last year. There is just no way to justify it. The Stockton Ports are a much more enjoyable baseball experience than a trip to whatevertheycallitnow.com field for an A’s game.
Again, it’s not an overpriced product. Mediocre at best is 81 wins , not 90 + and their ticket prices aren’t at exorbitant rates. You make it sound like this is the Pirates.
If the fans won’t attend or view, it’s time to move.
I mean, are you there to watch a game or eat sushi?
It’s been a solid Mlb team playing baseball against other Mlb teams.
It’s not a great stadium but that wouldn’t prevent me from seeing games if I lived there. But that’s me, I love baseball.
Fact check: it’s one of the lowest price tickets in mlb.
The A’s don’t have limited TV revenue. They have a middle of the pack TV deal they signed in 2009 that will pay them over $60 million in 2022.
Ticket sales account for less than 30% of total revenue for MLB teams so they are not really a factor.
The A’s will have revenue of over $300 million in 2022 even playing in the worst stadium in all of major sports. They can certainly afford a $150 million payroll. The owner would rather take a fat profit than try to compete every year.
The A’s have been very good, they still didn’t draw many fans…so is your argument that just having expensive FA players would draw fans? Cuz obviously it can’t be that winning does.
It is most definitely overpriced.
It is much more than the ticket prices. Went to 10 games last year.
Add on 30 bucks for parking. If they are playing a decent team you are going to wait a minimum 45 minutes to park.
Food is ridiculously overpriced for the quality. Minimum 25 bucks /person for garbage you can get at 7-11.
There is a ratio of about 3 useless workers that stand there and do nothing to every one actual person that does work. This results in a minimum 2 inning wait in line at any concession stand.
This is compounded by the fact that it is in an extreme $hithole neighborhood, If you do not know your way around you could easily get lost in.
Yeah it might be an ok experience if you ride BART with the homeless people and hope that the game ends before the trains stop at 9pm. You are single, and you smuggle your own food in,
A’s led the league in attendance during their last WS appearaces. The fans will come, but as of right now there are several better options in the Bay Area to spend your entertainment dollars.
@desert If the A’s have a place to play baseball, hard to play baseball without a stadium or a lease to play in one
I may be wrong but I believe the A’s bought a few dozen acres near Summerlin as recently as a few months ago… somebody can fact-check me if they like!
All the A’s did is take an option on that property in Summerlin. They have done that on 5 parcels so far, 3 of which have expired. They didn’t actually purchase anything yet.
Copy, good looking out PF. I thought I had heard “something”…
Not likely, finally have a competent manager and not some softball coach
Get over it already. There will always be a terrible terrible team in every league. A’s are just owning it by doing good business. And if you’re an A’s fan, you should’ve been preparing for this since the Raiders left. It’s happening sooner or later…
Johnny Tyler available?
How many starters does preller need?
More… he still doesn’t have enough.
I’m guessing we will see at least one more friars trade today.
Hope so, seems like they’ve got their own inevitable players getting shipped out too
Oh Boy Here We Go
MOOOOOOOOORE!” – Kylo Ren
Comment of the day.
Never have enough starting pitching. Except for the Brewers I guess, they’re pretty stacked.
As many as he can get. Did you see how the Padres pitching collapsed in the 2nd half last season due to injuries?
You remember 2021 when they had to sign Jake Arrieta?
Gotta be another trade coming right behind this
Hosmer & Clevinger to the Mets?
Clev is pitching tonight, so I don’t think so. And the Mets would not take such a gamble on a pitcher who hasn’t pitched a game since 2TJS
Manaea is pitching, clevs knee is sore
Yeah, just learned that myself. And with this, I’m 100% certain Clev won’t be traded!
You’d have to think
Nice acquisition, I wonder what the Padres gave up
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Eruibiel Angeles and Adrian Martinez.
#12 and #26 prospects according to mlb.com
I always found baseball America to be better w their prospect rankings – they have them at 10 and 19, so a little higher on them… either way, two mid level prospects really
no. Angeles is 19 and probably the most exciting early stage prospect the Pads have. They potentially gave up a lot for one year of Manaea
Why do people insist the media rankings are the same as teams rankings? You think billy beane reads BA’s rankings and tells preller i want your 12th and 26th ranked players AJ!! If the media knew anything about baseball they would be gms and not media guys. Nobody is knocking on keith law’s door to run their front office
Potentially, he does have an astronomically high ceiling
One of the best posts on this chatroom board when discussion of prospects comes about.
Every franchise has their way of evaluating prospects (as well as ML players). And trust they’re not depending on Baseball America. MLB.COM or Fangraphs research. LOL
Those (semi-free) sites are good for armatures that play rotisserie league baseball. Has nothing at all to do with what MLB franchises – whose employees jobs depend on performance – that deal with humans beings that they hope will ultimately play for their franchises coaches and manager in the systems those team use.
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So you didnt get the prospect evaluator job huh astro? Sorry to hear that.
Anyways. Fans of other teams usually like to know where players their team acquires ranks from other organizations farms that they dont follow as closely.
Overemphasis on media rankings should be criticized
Keith Law worked in the FO of the Blue Jays for 5 seasons. Most of the guys working for these publications are in high demand by MLB teams. ESPN just pays better.
working in =/= running.
Even the people that make these rankings would tell you that they need to be taken in context. That’s really the point. Context. Sometimes a lower officially ranked prospect is more intriguing cuz context.
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Guess that means one of paddack weathers morejon or a couple of them will be traded for OF help
Theyll definitely move 1 or 2 arms.
3 or4… jk
Avila is a minor leaguer
Morejon is on the IL until at least June after TJ surgery last April. Avila is not on the 40 man roster. Clevinger will start the season on the IL. Snell won’t be ready to pitch a full game until at least the beginning of May.
Barring a trade, the rotation to start the season will probably be
Musgrove (putting him in line for a home opener start),
Snell with a Paddack piggyback,
Gore and Weathers start the season in AAA.
Avila is too on the 40-man roster!
I blew that. Avila is not in MLB camp, so I assumed he had been DFA’d off the 40 man roster. My bad.
That makes Gore and Weathers expendable. I know the adage about never having too much pitching, but by your own comment, Morejon is back in June, Snell in May, and Clevinger at some point. They don’t need that much depth. I’m predicting a deal with the White Sox centering around Sheets.
Nothing in the world could make Gore expendable.
Neither are “expendable”. We saw what happened last season.
Not after last years injuries destroyed their pitching staff and left them
picking up a few waiver wire guys to start in Aug-Sept.
Preller just doesn’t know when to stop. Like he has no sense at all, just goes with whatever, throw something at the wall and see what happens. It would probably be more entertaining if the moves actually moved the needle.
Move the needle? Yu darvish, blake snell and mike clevinger didn’t move your needle?
Sheesh. Meanwhile, i am over here as a giants fan, having to get my needle moved by the additions of alex cobb and matthew boyd
oh c’mon Carlos Rodon is legit if he can stay on the mound
Unfortunately, that’s a really, really big if. As a White Sox fan, I was hoping they’d bring him back, but it is what it is. I wish him the best, but him throwing more than 150 innings seems unlikely.
Boyd is a very good pickup when he is healthy in a few months.
May have moved the needle somewhat – having a solid #3 going into the last month of the season wins games. I have heard, and believe, you can never have too many starting pitchers and long relievers.
This trade is a testament to Preller convincing himself that there is a schmuck out there who is gonna take Hosmer and his salary in full so they can get Weathers, Paddack, or any variety of ineffective SPs they have standing around. I’m not sure there is a team out there who is that desperate right now.
Ny Mets on line 1 and Minnesota Twins on 2…
This might have little to do with Hosmer, but more to do with Pads finding a LF by moving a catcher and SP
And the hopes of 29 other team fan bases has been crushed.
I want Montas more anyway
I suspect the A’s may hold out on trading him until midseason since he has two years of control.
Despite what I just wrote, I fully agree but the cost will be twice as much based on recent track record and the second year of control.
I hope the Mets acquire Hosmer. As a Phils fan, the more at bats they give to Hosmer the better…Even if Paddack/Pagan come along to the Mets in that deal, that won’t offset how little offensive value Hosmer has
Phillies are trash and mets aint aquiring that rubbish!
I’ve heard the Hosmer to Mets rumors but I don’t understand why. They’ve got Alonso and Dom Smith that can play first. What value is Hos bringing?
None. He’s simply a salary dump and a DFA candidate.
What value does Hos bring?
Who’s going to carry Paddack’s bags from LaGuardia?
You Can Put It In The Books
Yes, thank you for repeating the article.
I’d think the Mets would just eat Hosmers money while focusing on the rest of the return in any trade. They’re not getting Hosmer with the intent of giving him a lot of playing time.
What an underwhelming return. I can’t believe the White Sox didn’t beat that!
Manaea only has one year of control, and is pretty injury prone, so his value isn’t very high. Still, you’d have thought they might have done a little better. Angeles is very well thought of.
Padres buying up the market so Paddack and Weathers look more attractive. Even if SD offers both plus Campusano to take Hosmer’s salary, it’s not worth it. Folks can look at Hos through rose colored glasses, but nobody wants him at that price or even half the price.
Manaea is not that great, he’s a decent sp when healthy… he and a player for two mid level prospects seems about right… a mid tier sp w one year til FA for farm depth and a touch of upside
There’s a reason Angeles is already #12 Pads prospect despite being 19
What an embarrassment to the sport teams like Oakland are….
missing the moustaches
Not the team, but the owner. John Fischer is worth $2+ billion yet won’t even spend up to the money he gets in TV revenue. I wish the labor agreement would have included a floor that the owners had to spend. The A’s also raised ticket prices like 40% this year and now rival SF Giants prices for 25% of the payroll and 0% of the venue.
Darn it I hope cashman can get a good enough starter in time still. Manaea would have been perfect (unless the asking price was nuts which it probably was)
While the acquisition of a top arm like Manaea’s would always be welcomed (Totally possible that Oakland was holding the Yankees up for one of the 2 SS kids which was probably a non-starter for a pitcher who was going to be a free agent at the end of this year). why is the current Yankee rotation vilified as being weak and in need of upgrades? Didn’t the pitching staff rank in the top 10 last year with basically the same pieces?
Of course there will be questions as far as Severino is concerned but the real strength of the Yankee team is in the bullpen and from current Spring performances so far, no reason to believe that has changed.
Keeping both SS kids, allows them to make a change at the trading deadline if necessary rather than panicking now and letting Billy B fleece them by demanding too much of a return for Manaea..
Top arm? Manaea? No
I’ve noticed that when Oakland trades away talent, everyone blames the owner and not the GM, but when the Yankees don’t sign every free agent, the Yankees fans blame Cashman much more than Hal. How much longer can Billy Beene put up with this if this is all on the owner? I believe Beene has partial ownership in the A’s so perhaps he’s just as guilty here. As a partial owner, Beene gets to pocket a few extra million every time they tear down the roster and strip the payroll to the bare bones. I don’t understand how he gets away with little to no criticism here.
SF Chronicle says he has sold off his 5% stake down to 1%.
I think Billy is more interested in soccer. Maybe he should get in with the Ricketts for Chelsea.
Beane has 1% ownership so really Fisher is the one holding the wallet here. There is only so much Billy Beane can do with an owner that is not George Steinbrenner simply put…
Oakland gets Euribiel Angeles and Adrian Martinez, while San Diego gets Sean Manaea and Aaron Holiday. Angeles and Martinez ranked as SD’s #12 and #26 prospects.
Good move for San Diego. I pray Oakland is in the basement this year
They just might be.
The to sweeten the pot on that Hosmer deal. Clevinger or Gore instead of Paddick would get it done
I thought the Mets wanted Paddack! ? The Padres probably killed that deal cuz the Mets wanted them to pay the vast majority of Hosmer ridiculous contract.
Id rather have Cleavinger. Gore is too inconsistent
How many guys have returned from 2nd TJS and been as good as they used to be?
Clevinger is destined for the pen as he’s coming off his second TJS.
From the SD Union Tribune: “Of the 42 major league pitchers who have had two Tommy John surgeries, the majority did not pitch in the majors again after their second or fared poorly over a short period.” The list of successful returns to the rotation after a second TJS is one out of dozens – Nathan Eovaldi.
You forgot Chris Capuano but yeah, the track record of starters coming off TJ #2 is not good and I honestly don’t know why so many Padres fans think Clevinger is going to be an ace and then stay in SD for half of what the market offers.
The best this Padre fan hopes for re: Clevinger is that the other SP keep us competitive for the first half, so we can treat him like a trade acquisition. Let him build up slowly, then get 12-15 quality starts in August / September and (fingers crossed) October.
I can’t believe the Cards are apparently going into the season with that rotation, expecting fans to believe they’ve done all they can do to put a WS-caliber team on the field.
Boy Melvin was smart to get the hell out of oakland.the a s are going to be damn lucky to win 50 games this season
Melvin knows what he’s getting in Manaea
Padres will officially have zero dollars to spend at the trade deadline.
I remember just a few years ago Preller wanted to “build a team and system to compete for decades”. Now he is bringing in 3.90 ERA pitchers with only one year of control left.
Huh? Padres have plenty of money start paying attention. More moves on the way as well.
Maybe you ought to learn how the luxury tax works before commenting.
It’s Padres2019ha. Posting uninformed and grammatically errant comments is kinda just what he does.
Snell, Paddock and Hosmer for a player to be named?
Another example of a trade where everybody goes “that’s it? Why didn’t my team beat it”
Jim Bowden suggested that the Mets trade with the Padres fell apart because the Mets were circling back to the A’s trying to get Manaea or Montas. This really sucks. Weren’t the Padres trying to trade from their pitching depth, rather than adding to it?
Not hard to outsmart the Mets, apparently
Padres didn’t have pitching depth. See the 2nd half of last season.
When the Manaea trade was first announced I thought there was a good chance that another trade was happening today involving Paddack or Weathers (for OFer). But with the news of Clevinger going on IL, I’d be surprised if they trade from their depth. If they hold pat, it might be an indication that Clevinger is not ready anytime soon
Clevinger trade looks worse every day
Yeah that trade hasn’t worked out well so far! Cleveland was criminal, OR Pads were just unlucky. The IL stint isn’t surprising though, he needed a longer SP to get ready. Nothing wrong with this knees, seems smart not to rush him back
The Twins said the market on this guy was too slow and they couldnt beat THAT offer?!? They’re not trying.
Frankie Montas to the Cardinals for Tyler O’Neill. Who says no?
Anyone with a brain
Anyone with a brain? I can’t be surprised by your response given you’re a Mets fan.
The Cardinals. Too risky of a move for them plus they would need a small piece coming back.
Doesn’t make sense for the A’s either because O’Neill will be getting expensive in arbitration.
Thank you for the intelligent response.
I know the A’s are in a full rebuilding mode and thy are tearing the team apart but they will not be in the basement in the AL West. They will be competitive this year and when the stadium issue is solved they will be good once again. Every year people put low expectations on the A’s but they always are competitive.
Dude, nobody is going to be within 8 games of Houston. That division isn’t competitive
I talking about they will be a competitive team overall and that they will not finish in last place
Seattle won close to 90 games last year and is even better this year.
If Mark Kotsay wins 5 games this year he should me manager of the year!
He will win a lot more games than that.
Probably 10 times that many games. But it would be funny to see any team go 5/157
How is this the best the As could get when they were able to deal Bassitt to the Mets for a top 5 prospect???
Why do the Mets always pay more for players in these deals?
Great deal for the Padres. I expect for the Mets to get fleeced again in whatever Preller cooks up for Hosmer.
The Twins need to set up a trade with the Padres. Twins have a crowded outfield and Padres have a crowded pitching staff. Both need what the other has too much of.
Twins don’t really have that crowded of an outfield is the problem. Buxton, Kepler and Kirilloff is solid but Rooker and Larnach don’t seem ready. You could move Kepler and switch Miranda or Arraez out to LF but that’s not ideal for IF depth.
Padres are primed to trade more young pitching now. Since offloading Lauer and Quantrill turned out so well Preller will surely do more of that.
Lauer and Quantrill have accomplished hardly anything so far. Must be new to baseball if you think a half season from two young pitchers is anything. I wish them well but they got a long way to go to be labeled anything
Quantrill has a 2.79 ERA over 48 games, 24 of them starts, since going to Cleveland
Yes, time will tell if he can keep it going an entire career. But its also extremely unlikely Clevinger can even get close to Cals value since the trade over this final year of control. And because of that, the trade was ultimately a disaster for the Padres – which is what the other guy was saying
True but Clevinger seems to have recovered well. I guess then we should file a complaint against the Indians for damaged goods or only when that happens the other teamha
Clevinger has what, a 43.20 ERA this spring?
And as you were typing that the Padres were announcing he will start the season on the IL
Yes, it is a trade that just keeps getting worse and worse for the Padres, and it’s now near impossible for them to even get back the value Quantrill alone provided over the amount of time Clevinger was controlled
Sky’s not falling. Clev on IL not a big deal and was actually planned months ago. They’re calling it just knee soreness = real reason is that they don’t want to rush him back.
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Lauer – 3.04 ERA in 20 starts last season
Quantrill – 3.12 ERA in 22 starts last season
That would have looked mighty nice as opposed to Arrieta, Velasquez, Weathers, and Knehr who combined for a 8.24 ERA in the 2nd half last season.
Luis Pattino Padres/Preller gave away 21 year old stud starter now in Rays rotation.
Nobody’s making fun of the Friars now, either they or the Dodgers are winning the NL West.
I am going to continue to make fun of the Friars until they actually win something.
You have the dodgers possibly winning that division. Thats some next level prognosis
Flip Manea & include Hosmer in trade to Mets? Mets were interested in Manea.
You Can Put It In The Books
Include Gore and send Cano back the other way and you’ve got yourself a deal.
Taking back Cano defeats the purpose of the deal and defeats the purpose of adding a prospect. Not that the Padres would ever give up Gore in this stupid idea.
Basically you want Manea and Gore included with hosmer and the Padres take back cano. San Diego isn’t a subsidiary of the Mets.
You Can Put It In The Books
I was being sarcastic. The construction of the original trade proposal was incredibly one-sided for the Padres. Paddock is a two-pitch pitcher with a partially torn UCL who is destined for a bullpen role in the near future. Hosmer’s contract is one of the worst in baseball. Dom Smith, while he has his warts, is still controllable and has value to the Mets. Not sure Paddack or Hosmer add any value, whatsoever.
@you Stay away from commenting if you think Hosmers’ contract is one of the worst in baseball. What about Bauers contract of 40 million and he isn’t even playing baseball? Ozunas’ contract doesn’t look great at this time. The Angels had Justin Upton still owed 28 million. Canos’ contract that is worst than Hosmers contract. They are a ton of players that have worst contracts in baseball.
You Can Put It In The Books
Ohhhhhhhhhkkkkkkkkkkayyyyyy…….. I’ll “stay away from commenting”. Get real, bud.
Dom Smith and his 84 OPS+ has no value, other wise the Mets would not be attempting to trade him.
That they were willing to take on half of Hosmer’s contract while only getting Paddack and Pagan who combined put up a 5.03 ERA last season for Smith says volumes about his lack of value.
I don’t know how A’s fans do it.
The Padres are coming for the Dodgers! As of right now, the Padres’ starting rotation looks a little better than what the Dodgers have right now!
the A’s get hoisted again. moneyball at it’s finest.
What are you talking about? They picked up a really decent pitcher who is younger and has options and a very decent SS prospect. I make that trade everyday.
A’s got a nice return for a back of the rotation guy who will be a free agent.
Future stud SS and a young pitcher/
I noticed the Mets favs crying. Makes me happy.
Preller haters rejoice!
Great job Yankees…unbelievable
Montas is the GEM there
TWINS can you wake up and get a starter or two? Why sign Correa and have a very weak pitching staff? Falvey get on the phone with the Padres.
Paddack, Weathers, Hosmer, Pagan, and Clevenger for Dom Smith, JT Davis, and Jeff McNeill. Who says no? I do that if I’m the Padres
Too many dudes who can’t play d
3 starters a bad contract and a set up guy for 3 platoon guys? Ummm..no.
Perceived surplus aside, we’re not trading 4 arms for none in return. Pads say “pass” on that deal before even scrutinizing the inequitable offer.
The DUMBEST trade offer I’ve ever seen! There’s NO WAY that SD empties their rotation for 3 mid-tier major leaguers.
Mets say no. And pretty quickly. That package isn’t enough to dump Hosmer for an org filler.
.Typical Yankees/Mets fandom trade:
Our Team: Send you our DFAs and junkyard pieces
Your Team: Send us a bag full of your top producing players and highly rated prospects
Sportsfan: add “and you will appreciate the center of the universe even knows your team’s name.
Dodgers and Giants in the AL West now. That should be a headline.
“There’s certainly room for improvement over that group, especially for a team hoping to compete with the Dodgers and Giants in the AL West, two teams who easily surpassed the 100-win plateau last year. “
At least Houston would have some competition then.
Love the Giants, but they were playing way over their heads and talent levels last year. Giants were no where near a 107 win team on paper or according
to experts across the league.
Amazing that a roster full of bounceback players, veterans with something to prove and prior mediocre and underperforming players on the decline cycle of their careers all had career years in the same storybook season.
Farham Zaidi and his Front Office Crew, Scouting Department etc
definitely pulled a bagful of rabbits out of their hats,
Amazing job by that Front Office.
Giants will come back to the pack this year.
Ian Happ, Frank Swindell and Willson Contreras for Hosmer, Campusano, Hassell, Gore and Snell.
It’s fun to play on BTV.
lol. Even better, Frank Swindell for Abrams, Gore, Hassell, Campusano, Snell, Darvish, Musgrove and Clevenger.
Lol yea but May need sweeten the pot even more
Too early to b e smoking crack and talking smack
Worst trade proposal ever.
this really does take the cake
Send the Padres your expensive, declining veteran player retreads for their present and future All Star players?!
Ownership would just eat Hosmer’s deal rather than give the Cubs 3-4 foundational
players for over priced, declining players not even good enough to start on the Padres contending team.
Definitely a Swindel !LOL!
Lots of spoiled entitled NY fans crying. Get over it.
Real question is when is a team going to give up a top minor for Montas
As soon as a team has one of their big starters go down or sooner.
Watch the injury list.
A team with a loaded payroll expected to win and one of their “horse starters”
cannot go for weeks or months (Mets fit this bill).
If I am Cohen, I would up my offer for Montas, bite the bullet
and not look back.
Braves and the vastly improved Phillies will not give the Mets a large margin of error waiting for their injured pitchers to get back.
Sure seems like a precursor to another move. It’s not like the Padres need another starter. Maybe a deal with the Mets is next. If so, I hope its for a better starter than Paddock.
I could see Clevenger getting moved. Maybe something like Paddack, Weathers, Hosmer, Pagan, and Clevenger for Smith, Davis, and McNeill
Stop posting this drivel.
Clevinger is not going anywhere.
Padres would hang up on that one sided deal.
Manaea was supposed to pitch against the Padres today in spring . I guess he will now face the A’s , or get work on backfields . Who did we get ?
Keep an eye on 19 year old Angeles, could be a top prospect soon
SD will def trade paddack now. Yankees?
I’m thinking Rangers or Cubs. Hosmer + Paddack + money for a spare part. SD probably wants to get under the tax so when they move Paddack it’ll probably be to clear money.
I agree that the Ranger seem like a better fit.
The Rangers having Hearns, Howard, and Dunning at 3-5 in the starting rotation is not encouraging for them. The Padres could trade from their #6-8 starters and still be providing an upgrade for the back of the Rangers rotation.
Their pen is even more of a mess.
The Rangers announced that Garver will be making 90-100 starts at catcher in 2022 along with starts at 1B and DH, so their only other option at 1B that I can think of is Calhoun.
There is no denying that Hosmer is on a bad contract for the Padres, but he did hit above league average (104 OPS+/110 OPS+ vs RHP) in 2021 while Cahoun hit 20% worse than Hosmer (84 OPS+).
Even at 84 OPS+, Calhoun hit better than Profar.
Not sure of who exactly would be included in a trade between the teams, but there are many fits where both teams would benefit from a trade. It makes sense.
Maybe some combo of Hosmer + $30 million, Paddack or Weathers &/or Pagan, plus a mid-level prospect for a mid level pitching prospect and Calhoun??
Dear Mr. Hahn,
You couldnt do better than that from our farm? Very disappointing.
To Mr. Reinsdorf,
Contact me about the newly available GM opening.
It’s pretty easy to see a team like these guys over the Sox guys without the Sox massively overpaying.
Angeles started last year at 18 and hit well in full season ball. If you look at a list of guys who hit well in full season ball (especially with good strikeout and walk rates) as teenagers in full season ball, they do quite well.
McRat is back! Limited time only
I predict the Mets make up for it and trade for joely Rodriguez
You knew of the trade before you posted this I bet 🙂
The West is going to be a cake walk for Houston this season.
Please tell me we got another catcher…maybe even two catchers back in this trade. We can’t have enough of them
San Diego: 85-77
I really like Angeles. Just a little more physicality and he will at least be starting 5 days a week.
I think ultimately the Pads couldnt fathom keeping him because of his name
A lot of pressure on the manager and coaches to win now.
Everyone in Baseball handed the 2008 Tigers the World Series before they played a single game in the Grapefruit League. They were in last place April through October.
What a roster that was !!!
As an A’s fan, I’m used to seeing the standard cycle of operation — players come and go, and it starts over again. But, Manaea to me really embodied being an A. While he was never a star, he was a fun guy to watch and I hope he has a good year down in SD.
Gosh, if that’s all it took, Braves should have made this trade. We kinda have a glaring need for starting pitching
Good for padres. Gave up nothing and got 2 valuable players.As need to reassess wtf they are doing. As someone else said how long does this need to go on before the league steps in??
A clear win for the Padres. Acquiring a guy who pitched nearly 200 innings last year with an era beneath 4, while getting his highest percentage of strike out rates he’s gotten his in his career so far. And got him for a “depth prospect” and a 19 year old who’s ways away. While Padres are also getting back a prospect themselves who can throw 100mph.
You’d think the Athletics probably could’ve gotten a bit more for Manaea, or at least get the two prospects without giving up 1 themselves. But you definitely would’ve liked to see the Athletics do a bit better imo.
Had to trade Manaea and had to trade him now so…
The pitcher the A’s acquired is a good 2 or 3 starter. The SS was what Oakland really wanted.
I know fans of teams like to overate players they get in trade but that guy is no way an SP2 or 3. He’s a 25 year old who got ripped up in AAA. He’s a back end innings eater at best.
Why do you keep posting ridiculous comments? The pitcher they acquired isn’t even major league ready
Maybe the padres try to move Snell? I am sure someone would still believe they can fix him and get him back to what he was in Tampa Bay
I’m thinking the same..
Snell is fine as a Padre. I think his name has been dredged up here because other teams want him; it’s not a case of SD trying to move him. Make an offer that’ll blow us away and we might move Snellzilla…
Yeah I don’t see them trading Snell unless they get back a package of greater or equal value to the one they gave up to get him in the first place, which simply isn’t happening.
delete my account please
That is a disappointing return from the A’s standpoint. Martinez seems to be a back of the rotation guy who might be able to eat up the innings that Manaea occupied but not likely beyond that. Angeles is like Franklin Baretto in the Donaldson trade – lots of upside but a long way off and therfore high bust potential. That the A’s had to add in Holiday who is a potential late inning reliever who could move fast is surprising.
They had to trade Manaea and they had to trade him now. It happens.
Wow you’re really hitting it on the head Ryan!
Want attention? Get a therapist. Or maybe a dog.
Martinez will be better than you think right now.
that is cheap!
How the Mets passed on this opportunity for the little cost it required is mind blowing!!
So are the Padres going with a 10 man rotation this year?
After all the injuries last year, they might need a 10 man rotation.
Why not? It sure beats using Arrieta and Velasquez, like they did last year!
So why would anyone buy tickets to an A’s game?
To see the actual major league team they happen to be playing that day?
Because, like the Rays, the A’s get top, hungry young players in their trades
that are working hard to prove they belong in the majors and “breaking out”.
A’s have been averaging 90+ wins for most years.
Don’t count them out even with all the trades.
Except the A’s don’t exactly have the best track record with trades. See Josh Donaldson among others. What has saved the A’s has not been Moneyball, it has been their quality starting pitching over the last two decades.
A’s, like the Rays, don’t win every trade.
But, most of the A’s trades have worked out quite well for them over the years.
I disagree. Most A’s trades do not work out well for them. They draft VERY well, but trading is not their best work.
This clearly sets up another trade considering the Padres already had one of the deeper rotations in MLB. San Diego is still looking to upgrade their outfield and potentially their bullpen in order to compete with the Dodgers and Giants. The Padres are also up against the luxury tax threshold which means they’re looking to shed payroll. They have been trying to dump lefty hitting 1B Eric Homer.
There could be a potential trade matchup with the White Sox, not only with the Padres SP depth but also with their excess of catchers. The White Sox are in the market for another SP and a backup catcher, to say nothing of an heir to Yasmani Grandal in two years.
The White Sox farm system has been gutted and is ranked near the bottom of MLB.
Unless the Sox are trading from their major league team, I don’t see a match with the Padres for a trade.
Padres are trying to compete now, I don’t think they want prospects. They really still need OF help, maybe Gavin Sheets is expendable after the Pollack trade?
Obviously a precursor move… Where does Hosmer end up? I am going to say Chicago.
My guess would be one of the smaller market teams ends up taking his salary along with a couple of SP prospects. Would the Padres part with Gore now? It’s not like they need him. I am thinking this could be a GREAT move for the Royals. They are up and coming and could get good PR off Hosmer returning “home” to play.
Would be the stupidest thing Preller could possibly do. Which means he probably does it…
He’s on fiiireee
They won’t part with Gore to rid themselves of Hos. But let’s talk about Hosmer some more…
What is the point of keeping Gore when you have 15 starters ahead of him?
Because Gore is BETTER than most if not all of those 15 starters and because there are going to be injuries in the rotation.
Because in 2024 none of their starting 5 now will be around, and by then Gore will be 1-2 SP
It is amazing how people like you can always tell the future with 100% accuracy. Especially with pitching prospects who NEVER fail to live up to their hype, Just uncanny.
@hiflew Leave the sarcasm to those of us who are good at it buddy.
Musgrove, Clevinger, and Manaea are all FA after 2022. The Padres need to keep quality depth like Gore.
Who says it has to be a precursor move?
No one ever replies to you bro start a new screen name
Only reason I don’t have you muted is so I can clown on you.
Still waiting for you to address your awful awful “Myers for Syndergaard” trade proposals and prediction that the Mets would then trade for Corey Kluber after trading Syndergaard.
LOL Why trade Myers for Syndergaard when we could have just waited 3 years later and sign him as a FA?! Ha hahahahha total Reyna comment. Tryna that’s your new screen name. Reyna
Are you implying that the Padres couldn’t have signed Syndergaard this offseason had they wanted to?
Alright. Now trade Montas.
Tell me again why Oakland’s taxpayers should pony up huge amounts of money? I get it that the present stadium is horrible, but if the team is just going to sell everything down to the fixtures….maybe a different city would make more sense.
Trade Hosmer and Snell to the Angels for Turner Ward. Salary dumb trade. This gets 3 years of bad contracts off the books.
Wilmer the Thrillmer
Appears to be a horrible trade for the A’s. All Beane could get was the Padres #13 prospect plus an unranked propect? Yikes!
Martinez has more upside than Manae plus more options. If you look at his stats they are just fine. The SS prospect has huge upside.
Lol. The pitcher is an inning eater high floor guy. Do you actually know anything about prospects? He will be entering his age 26 season and finally made it to AAA last year where he did poorly. He’s not another Aaron Nola here.
The other guy is a hit tool player with questionable power or speed. His athleticism is also suspect. He has a fantastic hit tool but he also isn’t an elite prospect. He’s a good prospect who could develop.
Quit talking about these guys like Oakland just added wander Franco and Aaron Nola
And stop talking like you know everything about baseball.
Questionable speed. The dude stole 36 bases last year. Stop talking like you know something about prospects because you dont.
delete my account please
Huh? How does Martinez have more upside than Manaea? He has never been the prospect that Manaea was before he came to the A’s and at age 26 it is highly unlikely he ever gets close to being as good a major league pitcher as Manaea has been (when healthy). Do you even know what the term upside means?
You said yourself. When healthy.
Wilmer the Thrillmer
I appreciate the A’s fans positive attitutes, I just thought Beane could’ve got much more, like maybe even a top 100 guy.
#12 and #26. Martinez could pitch in the majors this year, most likely start in the minors even though he is on the 40 man roster. Angeles is a very good prospect that should move up the prospect list fast. He is only 19 and hit .329 in his first year in pro ball in the US.
Only time will tell but I believe the A’s definitely won this trade. Manaea will not be with the Padres next year. But Martinez will be with the A’s for the next few years and imo will turn into decent pitcher. The key is the SS prospect. If he turns out like his statistics indicate Oakland won today.
So in one hand “only time will tell”, but Oakland won the trade.
So time will only tell yet you’ve announced that Oakland won the trade. Which is it?
And how do you know Manaea won’t stay in SD for ’23 and beyond?
Definitely testing free agency since boras is his agent