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Latest On Juan Soto’s Trade Market

By Anthony Franco | July 29, 2022 at 7:43pm CDT

With four days to go until Tuesday evening’s trade deadline, the floodgates of activity have yet to really open. There’s nevertheless been plenty of chatter about the game’s top trade candidate, Juan Soto. The Nationals superstar will continue to be the talk of the summer market until the club either pulls the trigger on a deal or the deadline passes.

Jon Heyman of the New York Post wrote last night that the Cardinals, Padres, Dodgers and Rangers are among the teams generally viewed as those best positioned to pull off the blockbuster. That wasn’t a comprehensive list of clubs with interest, although Jim Bowden of the Athletic tweets this evening that only four clubs remain in the market. Bowden adds that the Padres and Cardinals are among that group of four, but the identities of the other two teams remain unknown. To be clear, it’s not a certainty that no one besides St. Louis, San Diego, Los Angeles and Texas is still in the mix.

Previous reports have tied the Mariners, Giants, Mets and Yankees to Soto, but the general belief is the Nats aren’t interested in dealing him within the NL East. Meanwhile, Heyman wrote last night the Nats “seem focused” on teams other than the Yankees. That’s not to say the Yankees are out, as Heyman unsurprisingly notes they’re still interested in Soto after acquiring Andrew Benintendi from the Royals.

The Cardinals, Padres and Dodgers are obvious entrants into the Soto bidding. They’re each 2022 contenders with a robust collection of young major league and/or farm talent, and all three have proven bold enough to trade for star players in recent years. The Rangers are perhaps a more surprising entrant into the market since they’re not in the playoff mix this year, but Texas has long maintained they expect to compete in earnest by next season. With Soto controllable for an additional two seasons, the Rangers could enter the fray with an eye towards adding another star to the 2023-24 rosters after big free agent pickups of Corey Seager and Marcus Semien.

Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News wrote yesterday that Texas has indeed been in contact with the Washington front office and continues to monitor the market. Whether they’ll be willing to meet the Nationals’ understandably astronomical asking price — and top the offers of clubs that are eyeing Soto as a target to improve their 2022 odds as well — remains to be seen. Grant suggests the Rangers may prefer to focus their resources, both financial and in terms of prospect capital, on their efforts to add talent to the starting rotation. Meanwhile, Ken Rosenthal of the Athletic noted last night in an appearance on Fox Sports that the general expectation is that Texas will be outbid by a more motivated club (Twitter link).

There’ll be more clarity on the Soto negotiations over the next few days. One thing that does not appear to be under consideration: the sides reopening extension talks before the trade deadline. Barry Svrluga of the Washington Post hears the Nats aren’t planning to make another extension offer (Twitter link). General manager Mike Rizzo has confirmed that Washington made a 15-year, $440MM proposal that Soto rejected a few weeks ago. That apparently marked the final extent to which the Nationals were willing to go, at least this summer. That’s not to say the Nats have to force a trade imminently, since his remaining arbitration eligibility would allow them to revisit extension and/or trade talks next offseason if he’s not dealt before Tuesday.

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  1. chrisbluediamond

    3 years ago

    Yeah

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    • justinkm19

      3 years ago

      Well said

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    • JeffreyChungus

      3 years ago

      I disagree

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    • Holy Cow!

      3 years ago

      So who will be in tonight’s trade?

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      • Holy Cow!

        3 years ago

        In general? Soto probably isn’t being traded until next year.

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        • 17dizzy

          3 years ago

          I agree—- I don’t see Soto being traded this season. Plus, if all trade parts are fairly equal from all interested teams—-I’m sure Soto would be asked which one of those teams he’d rather play for.

          ( Unfortunately for the Cardinals—- while I understand Soto has good connections with several current and former Cardinals players—-his respect for the Cards manager and hitting coach is not who he would really like to be associated with. His and their idea’s about baseball do not match)

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        • rondon

          3 years ago

          If the Nats pull the trigger on a trade, it will be based on the strength of the return, not where Soto prefers to play.

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        • steveng

          3 years ago

          Trade packages are never fairly equal. The story is told that the Scherzer/Turner trade to LAD rather than SDP turned on Rizzo’s overwhelming interest in Ruiz. Equal on paper, maybe…buit never equal in the eyes of a lifteime scout like Rizzo. Soto will have no say.

          As to Soto’s view of the St Louis coaching staff: How could you possibly know that? Source? Credibility of the source? I think he would actually like St Louis, more low-key is more his style.

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    • rememberthecoop

      3 years ago

      Nah

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    • iverbure

      3 years ago

      He’s not getting traded and shouldn’t

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  2. Tjlxr

    3 years ago

    bluejays

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    • scissormetimbers

      3 years ago

      It’s just over kill with the high end catching depth.

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    • Captain Judge99

      3 years ago

      @Tjlxr- The BlueJays are giving up Gabriel Moreno and Randy Tiedemann?

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      • junior25

        3 years ago

        Plus Groshans and Lourdas and a couple other pieces

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        • Captain Judge99

          3 years ago

          @junior25- if that’s the case, then they definitely have a chance. I doubt their giving all of that up for Soto though.

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        • iverbure

          3 years ago

          They aren’t giving up that, nor should they.

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        • Captain Judge99

          3 years ago

          @iverbure- and nor should they get Soto.

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  3. Central Valley

    3 years ago

    Of course, once again, the Giants will swing and miss on a young superstar. Hate to sound pessimistic, but am tired of them not getting premier talent to build around.

    They are loaded to the gills with cash, and are a big market team with a paid off ballpark. Stop acting like a small maker team. If the farm isn’t producing, you have to spend $.

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    • PaulSimon

      3 years ago

      Well said Central Valley

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    • guynamedchris

      3 years ago

      Except money is not the barrier to acquiring Soto, is it?

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      • Crab L. Winston

        3 years ago

        Yes and no. Given the Nationals’ ask I’m not sure any team is going to gut their farm system to then turn around and let Soto go through arbitration twice more before leaving as a free agent. I believe the point being made is that some clubs, the Giants potentially among them, won’t pursue Soto because they’re disinterested in investing in him long-term and would therefore prefer to keep their prospects. Whether or not the Giants have the horses to go and get Soto is another story.

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        • Central Valley

          3 years ago

          My sentiments exactly, you just articulated my thoughts much better than I could. Well said.

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        • iH8PaperStraws

          3 years ago

          Thaats exactly what all interested clubs are going to do. Resigning him is of zero concern at this point. You got two
          more years before that is an issue.

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        • mikemcsaudi

          3 years ago

          Learn one thing about baseball… less than 1% of your farm system will become a major league starter. Of that 1%, 10%will become an All-Star at least once in their career. Of those All-Stars, less than 1% will become a Hall of Famer. All that said, I’d trade my entire farm system for Juan Soto. In his case, a bird in the hand is worth 100 in the bush!

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        • GareBear

          3 years ago

          But how many of your organizational top prospects make the majors (most at least crack it at some point) and of the players who make all star games and become great, most were top prospects at one point. Wander, Soto, Trout, Harper, Verlander, Grienke, Scherzer, Kershaw, Buehler etc we’re all too prospects at one point. Even those couple time all star types like David Price, Jurickson Profar, benintendi, we’re top ranked prospects. Major league teams are basically paying a bunch of college guys to hang on to their dream just so they have enough guys to have enough people to put together a team to play around those types of prospects. If you include that type of player in your calculus to value a prospect than you are clueless at how player development really works. Sure 1% of minor leaguers make it if you include the entire system, but we aren’t just talking about anyone in the systems with a 1% chance of cracking the majors or .1% chance of being an all star. This will be multiple top prospects that I would almost guarantee the top 3-4 players in the trade will contribute to the club with at least 1-2 being all stars at some point in their career and a smaller but non-zero chance at becoming building blocks for the next Nats contender.

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        • ThonolansGhost

          3 years ago

          Mike, if I understand you correctly, you’re saying that 1% of MLB All-stars become hall of famers. This just isn’t true. It’s more like 30%.

          Makes me wonder about your other numbers.

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        • ThonolansGhost

          3 years ago

          Actually, about 30% of the All Star slots are taken by eventual hall of famers…But most of these guys make about 5 or 10 appearances. So the percentage of All Stars who become hall of famers would be less than 30%, but still much higher than 1%.

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      • Central Valley

        3 years ago

        I wasn’t just specifically talking about Soto, rather my overall frustration with the team. I should have articulated better.

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    • Say Hey Now Kid

      3 years ago

      Yeah didn’t they try to trade for Stanton and he turned them down. If they had the money for him what happened?

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      • stanthefan

        3 years ago

        The Yankees happened. I don’t mean to discredit the concept of all things being equal, but it’s just not.

        Legacy, history, & championships matter, but to me, you can argue modern-era not too many teams have been more successful than the Giants, but the endorsements, the amount of Yankees fans, perhaps it was a bigger deal than SF.

        I mean who wouldn’t want to play for SF 3,4,5 years ago, nicer weather, etc. unless taking on the contract was deemed too risky for SF or NY had better intangibles.

        Weird part is I do recall SF getting some huge players swinging that money. Bonds being the biggest.

        To your point, maybe SF wasn’t willing to take on the contract, but they had to be willing to that if they were one of the teams in the running, and we know the Yanks didn’t give up much to get Stanton.

        Can anyone tell me who produced in that trade of who the yanks gave up?

        Maybe it was the much shorter home field that did it!? Who knows except Stanton?

        I

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        • slidepiece

          3 years ago

          As crazy as the city of NY is, SF streets are 3rd world stuff. Most beautiful state in the country and the worst place to raise a sane family. NY all day and twice on Sundays

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        • Not a clever name

          3 years ago

          There are plenty of nice areas around SF, I assure you with 500 million most those folks are not swathing through the sewage downtown with their young is in tow. Even with out that kind of money I commute so my family doesn’t have to live in the city.

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        • compassrose

          3 years ago

          Washington is the most beautiful state in the country and not close.

          I was hoping Seattle would get him but the Casillo trade ended that hope. Not enough big name players left. We got Julio though. Seattle should lock him up until he is 50. Not lock him up like most NYers and SF ruffians but sign him. Ok that was a joke don’t get mad about the remarks I made just having fun. Except Seattle is the most beautiful state. Lol

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        • Jean Matrac

          3 years ago

          The way it went was, the Marlins put Stanton on the trade block, and their first choice was the package offered by the Giants. But Stanton exercised his NTC and refused to go to SF.

          The Cards had the next best offer, and Miami was willing to send him to St. Louis, but Stanton rejected that trade as well.

          Finally they accepted the Yankee’s offer of Starlin Castro Jose Devers, and Jorge Guzman, which TMK was the only other offer. The Marlins had no leverage. Stanton apparently wanted NY and no where else.

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        • Jean Matrac

          3 years ago

          slidepiece:

          What’s crazy is you writing about a place that you’ve obviously never been. I loved living in SF, and I’ve lived a lot of places. Ask yourself, if SF is such a cesspool, why do celebrities, like Michelle Pfeiffer, Nicolas Cage, Sharon Stone, Whoopi Goldberg, Neil Young, Robert Redford, George Lucas and Danny Glover. who can live anywhere, choose to live in SF? Robin Williams lived in SF as well. And that’s just a partial list. Don’t believe everything you hear.

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        • Brew’88

          3 years ago

          @ taddy. Ah you bring back some memories.. I’ve lived in LA, SD, and Seattle and believe that SF is the best big city on US west coast and outside of Vancouver the best on the Pacific coast. Many of the names u dropped were Marin Co. residents, I lived down the street from Carlos Santana and was treated to afternoon free garage/ street band concerts with his brother every Sunday. Robin Williams would hang out with us and was unbelievably kind, along with Grace Slick, Jerry Garcia and Peter Coyote and my other neighbors. Also lived near Tomales Bay where N. Young would drop in at the little oyster bar and join in with the local bands.

          But the traffic suked.

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        • CALgoldenBears

          3 years ago

          They don’t live in San Francisco the City. They live in Marin County which is neigboring and must cross the Golden Gate bridge.

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        • kidnova

          3 years ago

          I’ve been there recently, and downtown is in a pretty bad place right now with the homeless problem. That said, none of those people you listed, nor would a NFL player on a $400+ million contract live downtown. He’d come in for the games, and go back to his gated community.

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        • Jean Matrac

          3 years ago

          kidnova:

          Well, all I can say is you’re wrong. Linda Ronstadt, and Robin Williams lived in SF proper, Jon Miller just moved from Moss Beach to downtown SF, and was saying during a recent broadcast how much he was enjoying it. Dave Fleming also lives in the city. Plus, not everyone of those listed lives, or lived, in Marin.

          Not saying SF doesn’t have it’s problems, but every big city does, and I’d rather live where the biggest problem is the homeless, and not a high murder rate. The financial district, the Waterfront, Union Square, the Nob, Russian, and Telegraph Hills, North Beach, Pacific Heights, plus many more, are all great places.

          If the only place you go is Upper Market, than yeah, it’s going to look bad. But most of SF within the city boundaries is quite pleasant. It’s a picturesque city with great weather, despite the attempts through a false negative to besmirch it.

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    • VirginiaGiant

      3 years ago

      I was reminded that the Giants did make a legitimate run at Harper, so we can hope they’re serious about Soto.

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      • RoastGobot

        3 years ago

        No superstar hitter wants to sign in sf unless it’s their last big contract

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    • User 3617846742

      3 years ago

      Great blog, and is that Central Valley in California between Stockton to Fresno?

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      • Central Valley

        3 years ago

        Yes. Stockton to Bakersfield.

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        • Carlcarlson

          3 years ago

          “Bakersfield food riot.”

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      • cecildawg

        3 years ago

        Handford & Selma too.

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        • Central Valley

          3 years ago

          Yes

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    • pd14athletics

      3 years ago

      It could be worse. Just look across the bay.

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    • Deke

      3 years ago

      I agree with you Central Valley. I don’t know the Giants farm system well enough and how it even compares to others to know if they could swing a trade and how much it would affect the future.

      But what I do know is that serious hitters don’t want to sign with SF (Harper, Stanton). Bonds was an outlier. Most care about their stats because they are competitive. So getting a great player like Soto by trade might be the only way and then hope you can convince him to stay.

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      • Jean Matrac

        3 years ago

        Deke:

        The Giants have a top 10, or 11, farm system. It depends on where you look. Bleacher Report has them at #7, which is the high. Their farm is ranked higher than SD or StL. They have the prospects to get Soto. But, a lot will depend on the Nat’s own internal prospects rankings.

        The Giants made changes to the park in 2020, and it plays much more neutral. It’s no longer the pitcher’s park it used to be. Over the last 3 years it’s the 16th best park to hit in.

        That’s better than National’s Park, Yankee Stadium, Globe Life (Tex), Busch (StL), Petco (SD), and T-Mobile (Sea). In fact, the 4 worst ranked parks are Busch, Oakland Coliseum, Petco, and T-Mobile (worst),

        Stanton rejected a trade to StL. as well as to SF. He just wanted to go to NY, and he had the power to make that happen, even though the Marlins got screwed by it.

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  4. jeffsueu

    3 years ago

    Bogaerts, Devers (provided Devers comes to an agreement in principle by end of weekend) and Brazier to Dodgers with Gonzo, Betts going other way; Bell also to Boston in exchange for two top Dodgers prospects to the Nationals.

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    • JeffreyChungus

      3 years ago

      What

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      • cecildawg

        3 years ago

        What 2.

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        • kylegocougs

          3 years ago

          What 3

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    • GaryWarriorsRedSox

      3 years ago

      A typical Friday night post.. at least I save my unconscious ramblings for Saturday nights.

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  5. goastros123

    3 years ago

    Go anywhere but Yankees and Dodgers, please.

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    • Captain Judge99

      3 years ago

      @goastros- Go anywhere but the Astros or the Dodgers, please.

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      • goastros123

        3 years ago

        Astros don’t want him. Cost too much.

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        • Captain Judge99

          3 years ago

          @goastros123- Yankees want him. Cost to much.

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        • goastros123

          3 years ago

          Then they won’t get him.

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  6. guynamedchris

    3 years ago

    I heard the Yankees are willing to trade Andujar… ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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    • PaulSimon

      3 years ago

      Mets need a third baseman

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      • carlos15

        3 years ago

        And a left fielder, catcher and 2 bullpen arms

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    • Captain Judge99

      3 years ago

      I heard the Yankees are willing to trade Gallo…

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      • arne23

        3 years ago

        They should trade him to the Astros for a trash can

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        • Captain Judge99

          3 years ago

          @arne23- no need because the Trashtros are the original cheaters, leave perfection alone.

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        • goastros123

          3 years ago

          Actually, teams were using tech to decode and relay signs as far back as the 1940’s. Plus, the Yankees cheated before the Astros.

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        • Captain Judge99

          3 years ago

          @goastros123- the Astros cheated and won a world series, which makes it more disgusting. Are you talking about steroids and HGH? It wasn’t a banned substance by baseball in the mid-to-late 90’s. And everyone was taking them then, while obviously it wasn’t good. It wasn’t illegal then.

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        • goastros123

          3 years ago

          Nope. I’m taling about 2015, bud.

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        • JoeBrady

          3 years ago

          Trashtros are the original cheaters, leave perfection alone.
          =========================
          Good that you can acknowledge. Beltran took the Yankee cheating system to Houston, and they improved upon it.

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        • Captain Judge99

          3 years ago

          @goastros123- and theres proof of the Yankees cheating in 2015, bud?

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  7. rememberthecoop

    3 years ago

    I still think he’s not going to be moved before the deadline. But I hope he does – it adds an element of intrigue and if it happened very soon, might blast the market wide open and force clubs to really start trading in earnest.

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    • pohle

      3 years ago

      i cant remember a deadline where we could be four days out from the deadline and teams havent started dealing in earnest… im fascinated by this year

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  8. Captain Judge99

    3 years ago

    The Yankees have as good of a shot of trading for Juan Soto as any team. They have all the top prospects to give the Nationals via trade. I would much have Soto then Castillo, Montas, or Lopez. C’mon Ca$hman get it done!!!

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    • VonPurpleHayes

      3 years ago

      This I agree with. Yankees have the pieces. Will they? Should they? Those are the questions.

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      • Captain Judge99

        3 years ago

        @VonPurpleHayes- I would trade Soto to the Cardinals, if I was the Nationals just because most of their prospects are major league ready, or close to being ready. Just not sure if Juan would sign long-term in St. Louis.

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        • VonPurpleHayes

          3 years ago

          Yea. It’s tough to justify a rental for St. Louis because they really are only in the hunt because of a terrible division, while a team like the Yankees is already a WS contender. I would go all in in their case. Should be interesting.

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        • Captain Judge99

          3 years ago

          @VonPurpleHayes- I’m definitely a big prospect guy. I know Dominguez is listed as #3 on the Yankees top prospect list, he’s definitely my favorite prospect. I would trade him, Peraza, Waldichuk, Wesneski or Schmidt, Pereira, Vasquez and Sears for Soto. If the Nationals say no, I say no problem, at least I made a solid offer for Mr.Soto and call it a day.

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        • iH8PaperStraws

          3 years ago

          Soto is not a rental.

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        • VonPurpleHayes

          3 years ago

          Well it’s 2 years right? So still a rental, but plenty of time to negotiate a long term deal.

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        • iH8PaperStraws

          3 years ago

          I guess everyone is a rental then.

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      3 years ago

      They’re not going to trade for Soto with Beni on board.

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      • jamaicajan

        3 years ago

        Yeah… Beni does not have any impact on trading for Soto.

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        • YankeesBleacherCreature

          3 years ago

          Of course it does. What do you with logjammed outfield and 40-man roster?

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        • dodgerfan83

          3 years ago

          It sure does. Soto would be the 6th outfielder on the team: Jusge Stanton Hicks benintendi and Gallo are the other 5. They would need to cut/trade someone first-or go into a game and pray ko infielder gets hurt, cause they would only have one bench infielder.

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        • tbonenats

          3 years ago

          If the Yankees have to trade Volpe, Dominguez and more for Soto then the Nats might be willing to take Gallo and/or Hicks back to relieve the logjam.

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        • tbonenats

          3 years ago

          Soto won’t be going to the Os unless they massively overpay, to the point of lunacy. Lerners just won’t sign off on a deal with them unless the Nats are the clear winners…or unless Angelos resolves the MASN issue. Personally I wish he would go there, that way I could still go see him play and root for him, and the Os have a great stash of prospects to trade from. Unfortunately it just won’t happen.

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  9. PaulSimon

    3 years ago

    This is going to be some trade deadline

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  10. fisher40

    3 years ago

    When all is said and done, he’ll be traded to the Cardinals. Just my prediction the cards will give up a ton for him.

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  11. Jgwi2az

    3 years ago

    I hope the Cardinals give up the future for a guy they can’t re-sign and still don’t have enough pitching to do anything this season or next

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    • rondon

      3 years ago

      I just don’t see St. Louis ever ponying up the half billion it’s gonna take to re-sign Soto.

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  12. JackStrawb

    3 years ago

    The Giants will do well to avoid trading away half their farm then committing half a billion dollars to Soto, a heckuva hitter who also happens to be just a 5-6 WAR DH, and not a ‘generational talent.’

    If anything, in 2022, Soto showed he was capable of hitting worse than .249/.399/.499 for 400 PA. He’s nowhere close thus far to where Trout and Betts were, and no one offered them half a billion dollar extensions when they were 23-24 years old.

    Would you like to have him hitting 2nd or 3rd for the next decade, at something like 10/325m and without emptying the farm? Of course you would. Would you like to deal one top prospect only for a player who’ll make 55m in arbitration in 2023-24? Of course. Soto will only be worth on average around $35m in surplus value over and above his salary for those two years. $50m if he really excels, and that’s Francisco Alvarez if you’re the Mets. At most. It’s NOT Alvarez, Baty, Vientos….

    Should you pay a wild premium because he’s !!!SOTO!!! ?

    Of course not. He’s not peak Trout. He’s not peak Betts. Since he got to the league Soto’s not even Marcus Semien.

    This will probably go to the offseason. Teams are rightly recoiling from what the Nats are rumored to be asking. It’ll have to be something like five minor leaguers to pad out the return to keep casual fans from baying at your house, four of them lottery tickets, and one headliner.

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    • stanthefan

      3 years ago

      Agreed, sir. I wouldn’t do this deal if I was any organization. While Soto fits nicely in any lineup, giving up your farm & paying the dude 1/2 billion cannot make sense.

      I’d see how it fairs on an open market.

      I mean even if he goes to LAD, does that guarantee them a World Series win?

      I’d argue not necessarily.

      There’s a lot to say about fits, chemistry, and frankly just who gets hot at the right time.

      Isn’t that what makes baseball different from most sports? In most sports you pile superstars, you win. Baseball is just different in that regard. Usually 2 aces pitching at the top of their game wins championships.

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      • Shrutefarm

        3 years ago

        Agree. La is a World Series favorite with or without Soto.

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      • flamingbagofpoop

        3 years ago

        Nothing guarantees a WS short of fixing it.

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      • rememberthecoop

        3 years ago

        The best team often doesn’t win it all.

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      • rememberthecoop

        3 years ago

        It’s like you need to build two rosters – one for the regular season and a different one for the post.

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  13. Aoe3

    3 years ago

    Try not to laugh but i think theres a decent chance hell end up as bluejay. We have a good farm and a young/controllable core to do it. Soto would fit in so well with all the latino players on the team. If it happens he’ll walk in free agency, Toronto doesnt like mega contracts.

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  14. Joe It All

    3 years ago

    The succinct version of Juan Soto’s market: It is substantial but so is the asking price so it is unlikely to be met.

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    • kidnova

      3 years ago

      That asking price will drop closer to the deadline. Nats aren’t going to pay him, so this is their best chance to maximize their return.

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      • TheOpener

        3 years ago

        The Nationals did try to pay him, and soto turning down their offer will likely end up being one of the worst blunders in the history of sports contracts. soto plays an unimportant position- and plays it poorly in addition to that, can’t steal bases, not a good base runner in general, etc. he’s just a great DH- that’s it. he averages around 5 WAR per season- that’s around half the value peak Trout was.

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        • kidnova

          3 years ago

          That offer was well below market value. You can poopoo on his defense all you want, but the man is a hitting savant and he’s going to break the bank when he does sign his next deal.

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        • TheOpener

          3 years ago

          he will get a huge contract, assuming his hitting rebounds and assuming he doesn’t have a catastrophic injury, etc. But it’s likely to be less than the $400+ million Nationals offer. And it’s not about ‘poopooing’ his defense- his defense sucks. He’s a 1 dimensional player through and through and he averages around 5 WAR- which is around the beginning of All-Star level production. he’s not a generational level talent at all.

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        • kidnova

          3 years ago

          You mean rebound like his 1.156 OPS for the month of July? I’m sorry, but you’re vastly underestimating his market value. Nats offered him less than $30 million per year, he’s going to get closer to $40 AAV or more.

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        • TheOpener

          3 years ago

          Season totals are what matters, I don’t care what his July stats are. 5 WAR level player, that’s what matters. Barely All-Star level production. he’s around a .900-.1000 OPS level hitter who contributes nothing else and whose value is diminished by everything he does on a baseball field except for when he’s holding a bat. There’s a lot of value in that, but not a staggering amount.

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        • kidnova

          3 years ago

          I agree 2020 is an outlier, which means if you look at his other 3 seasons he went from 3-5-7 WAR, and runner up in the MVP race. . I guess we’ll see what happens, but I guaranty he’s going to get a bigger offer than what the Nats threw out there. They knew he wouldn’t take it, but wanted to save face with their fans as much as they could.

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        • TheOpener

          3 years ago

          PS ‘There’s a lot of value in that, but not a staggering amount’

          As the Nationals are probably finding out now, with teams balking at their demands.

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        • kidnova

          3 years ago

          Seems a bit premature to assume that’s the issue. Lots of negotiations to take place on a deal that big.

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        • TheOpener

          3 years ago

          Could be that too.

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        • kidnova

          3 years ago

          Well, there he goes to the Padres. Now we wait and see what the cost of the extension is when it comes.

          Reply
  15. madmanTX

    3 years ago

    Sit down, Rangers and let somebody else pay the price. A two year rental is a bad deal right now.

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    • dale123

      3 years ago

      Rangers would re sign him.you forget boras clients seager and semien?

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      • flamingbagofpoop

        3 years ago

        Having those two already locked into the deals they are and the rotation they have, should dissuade the rangers from committing to a 40m/yr, long term contract for a DH.

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    • kidnova

      3 years ago

      Rangers wouldn’t pull the trigger unless they had certainty around an extension.

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  16. stanthefan

    3 years ago

    I’m going to go out on a limb & say he doesn’t get dealt. Too much to ask a team to take on!?

    I just won’t be surprised if no one can meet this price.

    You dang sure know, the NL East is out, so the Mets money & Braves frankly don’t need him, it’s just even more limited.

    I’m a Mets fan, but Houston & the Braves still convince me they’re a step better than others.

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  17. Poster formerly known as . . .

    3 years ago

    “That wasn’t a comprehensive list of clubs with interest, although Jim Bowden of the Athletic tweets this evening that only four clubs remain in the market. Bowden adds that the Padres and Cardinals are among that group of four, but the identities of the other two teams remain unknown.”

    So how does he know there are only four teams involved if he doesn’t know the identities of two of them — the Nats front office told him “There are only four teams talking to us, but we can’t tell you the identities of two of them”?

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  18. rct

    3 years ago

    Would the Nationals do Juan Soto for Travis Jankowski straight up? MLBTR poster Camden453 thinks it’s possible but that the Nats would need to add a top arm or two to make it happen.

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  19. jjd002

    3 years ago

    The Rangers, even with Soto aren’t competing for the West next season. It is the Astros division for 3 more seasons.

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    • kidnova

      3 years ago

      I think you’re overestimating the Astros window and how long it’s going to take the Rangers to compete. They have a lot of young talent ready to move up later this year and next. One big outfield bat (Soto?) and a top of the rotation starter and they’ll be legitimate contenders for the AL west, and could make noise in the playoffs.

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    • Bruin1012

      3 years ago

      Mariners are coming fast not quite there yet but they could be a serious threat in that division as soon as next year. I like them to compete sooner then the Rangers.

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  20. Lefty_Orioles_Fan

    3 years ago

    Orioles have the prospects to do it
    Not sure if they want to make a splash, but they could

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    • gorav114

      3 years ago

      I’d be okay with any package not including Grod. He’s too important to the rotation next season

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  21. Lefty_Orioles_Fan

    3 years ago

    Orioles have the prospects to get it done, but I would not unload my best prospects, when the Nationals have less than optimal leverage

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    • jeffk-2

      3 years ago

      I agree but the MASN dispute probably
      Kills that.

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    • User 401527550

      3 years ago

      How do they not have optimal leverage when half the league is banging at their door?

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      • Lefty_Orioles_Fan

        3 years ago

        They don’t have it
        Let’s see what the return is, if it happens

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  22. yankista

    3 years ago

    Soto … Soto…. Soto…. Zzzzzzzzz (Who’s dreaming with Soto??)

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  23. mil

    3 years ago

    Apparently the Cardinals GM and ownership group accompanied the team to Washington for the weekend series.

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  24. yankista

    3 years ago

    This a shiiiiiit sito

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  25. NoNeckWilliams

    3 years ago

    Does anybody know if Russia agreed to send Brittney Griner back, or should I go to Hostage Trade Rumprs?

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    • Pedro 4 Delino

      3 years ago

      I wouldn’t expect updates on a baseball website. You could always use search engines

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    • Holy Cow!

      3 years ago

      We’re sending back Don Imus’s skeleton.

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    • Captain Judge99

      3 years ago

      @NoNeckWilliams, not really sure? If Griner is still there, do we really still need her back here? You would know better then me. How tall is she? 6’8, and hot? Does she go in a separate cell, due to her size? Lmk.

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  26. Yanks2

    3 years ago

    Would the Nats be interested trading Soto to the Yankees in return for Volpe, Dominguez, and Torres?

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    • donniebaseball23

      3 years ago

      I really hope it doesn’t happen. I know Soto is great. But they need pitching more than they need Soto and Torres has come back to form. Also, Volpe and Dominguez could really be huge down the road when we need them.

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      • Yanks2

        3 years ago

        Yankees’ pitching hasn’t really been a noticeable issue this season. Torres is and always will be slightly above average. Soto and Judge on the Yankees could net them multiple World Series championships. Castillo also just got traded to Seattle so the window is getting smaller for the Yankees to trade for a quality starter at the moment

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  27. desertdawg

    3 years ago

    I’m thinking for any team to take Soto are they gonna to be wanting to take Patrick Corbin’s contract which still has two years at around 50 mil. If they take that contract they might not have to pay as high as price.in prospects.

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  28. donniebaseball23

    3 years ago

    I am still hoping that the Yankees are able to trade Gallo for a bag of used batting practice balls.

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    • Yanks2

      3 years ago

      Yeah Gallo is pretty terrible. His batting average is like .150; why they continue to trot him out there instead of Miguel Andujar is puzzling

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      • GarryHarris

        3 years ago

        Even with many teams needing a good defensive OF and. LH bat, who wil trade for Joey Gallo?

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  29. GarryHarris

    3 years ago

    This whole ordeal is simply distasteful. Boras clients never extend. But what makes this worse is that Boras proclaims the sale of the Nats and uses that as the reason he won’t sign an extension. Teams will be leery now. Boras has damaged the trade market for the Nats.

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  30. Chemo850

    3 years ago

    Why are people even bothering to report on this? ZERO chance he gets traded. The owners are selling before he even becomes a free agent and the franchise is more valuable with him on it. The Marlins gave Stanton a record deal just to make the franchise more appealing before selling it off. Doesn’t make sense for the owners to trade this guy for assets that they won’t even be around to use. He’s not going anywhere. Let’s move on already.

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  31. 3Rivers

    3 years ago

    Oooof course the Yankees are still in.
    They have unlimited funds to pay whoever they add.

    A team with that payroll with those players, they add AB and SOTO is out there…OOOOFCOURSE THE NYY ARE IN ON SOTO.

    MLB is truly a joke.

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  32. Tim Apple

    3 years ago

    If I were the Nationals I’d call his bluff until he starts hitting better than .240 on career low slugging.

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  33. dclivejazz

    3 years ago

    I hope the Nats end up keeping Soto and build around him as originally planned.

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  34. nottinghamforest13

    3 years ago

    If Heyman says it, then it must be true. He’s never been known to fabricate items of interest.

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  35. OnionsAndPeppers

    3 years ago

    The Dodgers I will bet are out of the running. The reason; Dodgers would want to lock him up long term. Issue is, he’s represented by Boras. The Dodgers won’t resign Boras clients.

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  36. PlayedAAA

    3 years ago

    I am amazed by the amount of losers on here pontificating as if they know something about baseball. Get out of your mom’s basement and make something with your life.

    Oh, and the Cardinals suck

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    • BlueSkies_LA

      3 years ago

      Well you certainly showed ’em.

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  37. PlayedAAA

    3 years ago

    I am amazed by the losers on this site pontificating pointless driffle. Go live life outside of mom’s basement.

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  38. PlayedAAA

    3 years ago

    Why are you losers on this site?

    Reply
    • gfan

      3 years ago

      The real question here is did you drive the big yellow tow truck when you played AAA ?

      Reply
    • gfan

      3 years ago

      The real question here is did you have the big yellow tow truck toy when you played AAA ?

      Reply
  39. pinterman

    3 years ago

    A boat-load of cash and the best fish tacos he’s ever tasted. He’s going to love the Padres.

    Reply
  40. James1955

    3 years ago

    Nobody is going to meet the Nats price for Soto. The Nats are going to wait until the offseason to trade Soto.

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  41. PadreB2011

    3 years ago

    What’s your prediction for the Padres’ lineup come August 12th?

    Here’s mine:
    Profar, LF
    Tatis, SS
    Soto, RF
    Machado, 3B
    Cronenworth, 2B
    Voit, DH
    Hosmer, 1B
    Alfaro, C
    Happ, CF

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  42. PadreB2011

    3 years ago

    What is everyone’s prediction for the Padres’ lineup Come August 12th?

    Here’s mine:
    Profar, LF
    Tatis, SS
    Soto, RF
    Machado, 3B
    Cronenworth, 2B
    Voit, DH
    Hosmer, 1B
    Alfaro, C
    Happ, CF

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  43. PadreB2011

    3 years ago

    My apologies for the double post…my server is having problems today.

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    • Javia135

      3 years ago

      If the Padres get Soto they will not be getting Happ. I think CF will continue to be a platoon between Grisham and Ruiz. I can see Profar and Cronenworth alternating between 1 and 5.

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