4:22pm: MLB.com’s Jon Morosi tweets that the Syndergaard bidding is down to the Phillies and Blue Jays.
8:09am: The Phillies are believed to have Syndergaard “at the top of their list” as they seek rotation upgrades, tweets Jayson Stark of The Athletic.
12:43am: The Blue Jays are “making a play” for Angels starter Noah Syndergaard, tweets Jon Heyman of the New York Post. Blue Jays Nation’s Brendon Kuhn was first to report the club’s contact with the Halos. Jon Morosi of MLB.com tweets that the Jays, Braves and previously-reported Phillies were among the teams with recent interest in Syndergaard, although he notes that Atlanta’s acquisition of Jake Odorizzi could take them out of the market.
Morosi suggests a Syndergaard trade before the 6:00pm EST deadline is becoming “more likely.” That’s not particularly surprising, as the 29-year-old has looked like a strong trade candidate for weeks. The Halos have fallen well out of playoff contention, and Syndergaard is an impending free agent. Los Angeles also couldn’t tag him with a qualifying offer next offseason. Syndgeraard received and rejected a QO from the Mets last year, and the collective bargaining agreement prohibits players from receiving a QO multiple times in their careers. Should the Angels hang onto the righty past the trade deadline, they could lose him to free agency for no compensation.
It seems likelier that general manager Perry Minasian and his staff will find a contender willing to relinquish some future considerations to add Syndergaard for the stretch run. He’s made 15 starts and worked 80 innings of 3.83 ERA ball. He doesn’t throw as hard or miss as many bats as he did during his early-career days with the Mets, but he’s a quality strike-thrower who induces a decent number of grounders. Syndergaard still looks like a solid mid-rotation arm whom some clubs could view as a possible Game 3 or Game 4 playoff starter.
Syndergaard is among the costlier options on the market, however. He signed a $21MM deal with the Halos last winter, and approximately $7.5MM of that tab has yet to be paid out. Perhaps the Angels will be willing to kick in some money to facilitate a trade, but if they’re insistent on an acquiring club picking up the remainder of the money, the prospect return could be fairly minimal.
The Cardinals landed José Quintana from the Pirates tonight, subtracting one of the more appealing rental arms from the market. It’s a rather thin group of impending free agent starters, particularly if the Red Sox and Giants elect to hold onto Nathan Eovaldi and Carlos Rodón, respectively. Beyond Syndergaard, perhaps the top remaining rental starter likely to change hands is Drew Smyly. Controllable arms who could be available in the hours leading up to the deadline include Tyler Mahle, Pablo López and Zach Plesac.
Jays need at least 1 SP.
Thor can work on kikuchi spot.
It will be Stripling’s spot
Should have never traded him in the first place. Still can’t believe people were excited and happy for that trade.
Nobody was excited about it, it was a huge overpay for Dickey.
It was! I liked Dickey a lot as a person. But acquiring him after one of the more dominant seasons for a knuckleballer in recent memory was always going to be an overpay.
It would be cool to see some full circle type story where Dickey works in the TBJ organization and Thor is reacquired.
Trade Thor to Atlanta for Travis D.
Scissors I have dozens and dozens of screenshots of people excited about it. Fans are always excited when they trade for a established player, fans just have short memories I don’t.
I was!!!
But I’m a Mets fan LOL
Dickey had just won the cy young and then resigned in Toronto….there was reason to be excited and happy.
If the Mets had taken Jake Marisnick and Justin Nicolino instead of Thor and Arneaud, they then would have been included in the marlins deal for Reyes/Johnson/Buerhle (sp.) etc
Forget Dickeys game 3/4 of the lcds and look at his numbers in a vaccum. He was kinda exactly what was advertised.
Any of my disappointment of that era lands on Ricky Romero, Brandon Morrow and then Josh Joshson for the really nothing gave us when we needed it.
He was a 38 y.o. pitcher with one good season that turned into a Cy Young. They gave up D’Arnaud and Syndergaard, which might be one of the most lopsided trades ever, oh well.
AA made some awesome trades, but this was a real head scratcher.
If you don’t swing for the fences you don’t hit HRs
and 100% of the trades you don’t make nobody will make fun of for the next decade
If you need to trade for nearly a entire new rotation, like they did in 2013 your team simply isn’t ready to win and thus you shouldn’t “preller” your way to a 4th place finish in your division.
Let’s go Phillies bring Syndergaard back to the NL East.
He’s not the Thor of old, but Phils need someone to take Eflin’s spot. Sadly, I think TOR will nab him.
We know that the Blue Jays have very good prospects, but who knows if the Phillies can put a better offer on the table for Syndergaard.
DD will certainly try. He’s the best at raiding the farms.
Phillies should not be giving up any of their good prodpects for a Thor rental.
VonPurpleHayes;
Please keep this in mind…….
The Phillies may only need a starter to eat some innings to get into the playoffs. Once there, teams usually start their top 3 guys. Sometimes the 4th starter gets a crack. Mostly the 4th and 5th starters are used in relief.
I do think they’ll make the playoffs short of a major injury. And if they get there, they may well advance for a while.
Thor is better than his numbers show. Angel fans know that our pitching coaches always have a way of making our starters look shiity. Then they leave for greener pastures, take a shower to remove the mud, and then succeed. Our latest example is Jose Quintana and his 6.75 ERA last season for the Halos.
please pay his contract down. no sense in not.
Bout time Halos do something. I’d hope we’d get rid of anything closely resembling a rental because next year is probably our last chance at any kind of window we might have been in.
If they’re currently in a window I’d hate to see when they’re not! Haha
Top 5 answers on the board.. Show me a window
Survey says: X
There is no Angel window. How can a team with young unproven talent have a window?
If Adell, Marsh, Detmers, and Sandoval develop. If Ward and Walsh own the skills they have shown.
If Trout and Rendon somehow manage to play 140+ games, They’ll be fine.
But that is also like drawing three cards to an inside straight. Good luck with that.
The inside straight analogy is one of the best I’ve ever heard on the Angels. Spot on. I felt like Maddon had the best chance at winning with this deck of cards. When they let him go, esp for Phil Nevin, I no longer wanted to watch the card game.
This ship has no rudder and a big hole in its hull. So disappointing after that unreal April.
pretty sure that window has been nailed shut and boarded up for the last decade
I really wish he was still a Met.
Agreed. Back in 2015, he was great out of the bullpen in the playoffs. There’s virtually no chance that happens now because they already will have to use several starters out of the pen in the postseason.
Wouldn’t surprise me if they trade him and re-sign him in the off-season
Yes, and that will be the “big splash” again for the Angels to improve their pitching staff this winter. Moreno will then pay Ohtani 45m AAV for 20 years and rely on their “in house options” to fill all of their holes around the diamond because there will be no money left. Thor will again be traded at the 2023 deadline because the Angels will be sellers for the foreseeable future…
…and I’m an Angels fan.
The Angels’ starting pitching is not the problem.
They can’t hit. Rengifo and Adell can’t play defense. While Adell may be able to learn, Rengifo has no chance.
Our pitching will suffer with the loss of Thor today.
I never thought I’d say it but I am becoming a Rengifo fan. His bat has come alive and I think his defense will come around. I have the opposite take on Adell where he looks awkward on defense. He moves forward on the ball ok but if he has to go back, he gets lost. I think he will get there too eventually. I still believe Adell needs more time in AAA.
Thor was never coming back in 2023, you move him for as much as you can get back, hopefully that’s MORE than the 2nd round pick the Angels surrendered or comp pick the Mets gained.
Adell can be traded for all I care.
Defensively Rengifo is unplayable. According to statcast, which I agree with, he’s far and away the worst defender on the Angels and one of the worse defenders in baseball.
When they ban the shift next year, it’s going to get worse.
No one in their right mind would pencil this guy into a starting middle infield position.
Yeah, maybe. But I’ve seen him and Fletch turn some amazing DPs too. It looks like he has most of his issues with throws to 1B when it’s more or less a routine play. I think he can turn it around with a good infield coach. But it looks like Adell is here to stay.
Bingo.
I generally don’t rely on my eyes when it comes to players and listen to the scouting experts who have spent sometimes years watching these guys develop, but Adell early on I never really got the hype. Especially on D. He looks like the 10th guy you pick up for a beer league team out there and stick in RF and pray the ball isn’t hit to him. It’s cringe worthy. Awkward is a understatement.
Now for the Braves to trade for Noah and stick it to the Mets. He starts game 5 and completes a 5 game sweep. The overachievers will go on a dry spell at some point. It is getting ridicious.
I love the idea of a five game sweep in a four game series just to rub it in. That would be TV worth watching.
@Bart Your not as smart as you think. The Mets play the Braves from Friday to Monday with a doubleheader on Saturday, aka 5 games. I completely disagree with ResignSwanson but you really look like a fool
The Braves-Mets next series starts Thursday, runs through Sunday, and Saturday is a double header. The math indicates it is, in fact, a five-game series.
Ridicious isn’t a word love, and Uncle Steve is here forever. Have fun with that “quality” rotation. Derp Chop Derp Chop.
Ben K:
I know it isn’t a word, but I kind of like it. It’s like something that’s ridiculously delicious.
Haven’t you learned your lesson with Cano? lol
I’d imagine the Braves are out on Thor because of the Odorizzi signing, but you never know.
He’s destined for the Barves and AA. Getting the band back together is kinda working for Atlanta. This’d reunite him with both Alex and Travis – “Toronto to acquire reigning Cy Young Award winner R. A. Dickey. In addition to Dickey, the Blue Jays acquired catchers Josh Thole and Mike Nickeas in the trade, while the Mets received Syndergaard, Travis d’Arnaud, John Buck, and Wuilmer Becerra.” I mean, he brought Josh Donaldson back to him and got him a $90-something million contract. d’Arnaud has caged some nice check too.
Don’t forget about Bautista in ATL for a cup of coffee.
“Some future considerations”
Sounds like crap.
I went to an Angels game about 20 years ago. The Yankees were beating us and this annoying Yankee fan had a sign that said something negative about the Angels, I can’t remember exactly what it said. Anyways, we quickly realized her sign said “Angles” instead of “Angels”. We ended up giving her a pretty hard time, especially after the Angels came back and took the lead.
Sorry, but an MLB writer who misspells Angels “Angles” in their article should be immediately fired. Absolutely embarrassing to MLBTR.
Thanks for apologizing, it’s the beginning of growth
You millennials are too soft. Firing? In my day if someone made an innocuous typo we’d take a finger, maybe two if they were recalcitrant. Eventually they’d figure it out or move on to fake it as high school shop teachers.
Not sure I like your “angle” on this one.
Very first sentence at that. Author must be doing his best Zencka impression.
Not just fired, but also blacklisted from the journalism profession!
Wow, blue jays making a play for Thor from the Angles? Now there’s acute idea—they’d be obtuse not to. We trust jays management to do the right thing, at least to some degree.
Nice tangent there. This rumor is a good sine though.
Noah Syndergaard may actually play for the team that drafted him and should have kept him.
Meh.
Striplings been better in the rotation than Thor.
Might win them another game or two in the regular season… but probably end up in a wildcard spot either way. Gausman, Manoah and Berrios will start in the playoffs. Does Thor bump Stripling from the playoff rotation?
Toronto could bump Thor or Stripling or both to the bullpen in the playoffs.
Kikuchi is the guy we hope turns it around
kikuchi isn’t turning anything around.
he’s been a sub replacement starter his entire career except for a brief period of time when he was thought to be using grip.
it’s sad that the best the jays can hope for now instead of a breakout is a guy that doesn’t surrender 4 runs in 3 innings of work and call it a success because he’s being paid 16M a year and can’t be moved to thr bullpen because he has a difficult time yielding 1 quality inning per start.
thor would be a good acquisition. he’s lost 4 mph on his velo since TJ but has become more of a stuff pitcher in the meantime. if the velo comes back next year with his improvement in stuff he could be a very underrated but big acquisition.
obv signing thor at the deadline after signalling all in after 2 seasons of signing guys like springer gausman ray semien chapman berrios seems disappointing esp after the way the astros have been putting their chips in.
if not confusing somewhat. this is def not an all in move. esp when that line up could use a left handed bat for a playoff series in NY w that short porch in right field despite absolutely crushing RHP so far this year.
maybe more is on the way. we’ll know more in 9 hours.
Still think the Braves should go get him. Especially if they end up limiting striders innings and with the inconsistency of Ian anderson. I wouldn’t be upset if they don’t, but his stuff is good enough to be a strong bullpen arm if we ultimately don’t change anything with our rotation and I just don’t trust the Ian anderson this year.
Blue jays get: Thor + Arte Moreno
Angels get: nothing
Make it happen perry!
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He’d be a perfect fit for St Louis and our infield defense. I was hoping they would go big but Syndergaard/Quintana would make us a playoff team.
Thor and Soto immediately make the Cardinals the favorite to face the Yankees in the World Series.
Yankees aren’t getting past the Astros if they don’t upgrade themselves by end of the day, today.
If the season ended today the redbirds wouldn’t be in the playoffs. we should probably start with trying to catch a WC team.
I think I’m just going to stay logged on and tell little stories of my life for the rest of today.
It all started in the summer between 4th and 5th grade. Up in New Hampshire listening to the Red Sox games. And my dad calling Lonborg “Short Plank”.
Ah, the memories.
Me too. My love affair with baseball began in 1976 when I was a mere lad during the great days of the Big Red Machine when my parents took me to a Cardinals/Reds game in St. Louis and I met Joe Morgan, Johnny Bench, George Foster, etc. However, it really took off during the magical summer of 1982 when the Cardinals were playing their way to the World Series. Additional great memories in 1985 when the Cardinals almost met the Blue Jays in the World Series (coulda, woulda, shoulda). And my love of the game was ultimately solidified in the summer of 1987 when Jack Clark and the Cardinals rocked and rolled their way to the World Series again. Memories…..
Thor’s interactions with Mr. Met were legendary. It would be amazing to see him with the best mascot in baseball. The Phanatic and Thor. Seems a perfect fit. That being said, I’m a bit leary of the cost. Thor is very much a #3-4 these days and less than half a season of him is not worth a good prospect. The Phillies are using a bullpen game every 5th outing. No team needs a starter more. And really, there’s not much quality left. I fear an overpay coming.
Mahle is the prize to go after. O’hoppe, and maybe have to include Brown in there. The Reds need a catcher, so that gives the Phillies a leg up.
Assuming they can’t land Mahle, Eovaldi and Syndergaard are the best rentals.
Is Mahle controllable beyond this year? I think he’s slightly worse than Syndergaard this year, but better option longterm.
Have to give to get. Remember prospects are exactly what they are: prospects
@Von, the Phillies need Thor or Mahle or someone to get it in the post season and be competitive. Whomever it is will cost and most will say it was an “overpay”. Just the way it is.
But ‘overpay’ with whom? The Phillies system is not that good outside of a few Philly beat writer hyped players.
They may have a few arms other teams could ask for, but I highly doubt they move a SP prospect.
Phillies system is bad overall, but they have some gems in there. More in the top 100 than a lot of their rivals. Those are the guys you can’t trade yet. They have an amazing crop of young arms and a plethora of catchers.
Giants need to extend Rodon. Not trade him, add next year and keep getting better.
Dombrowski is doing a poor job as of now. Thor isn’t exactly a huge improvement, especially if St Louis gets Soto
Thor is a body that can contribute. The Phillies staff has been solid and the bullpen is rounding into form. Pitching wins. I’ll take the Phillies pitching over the cardinals pitching any day
@Ed Charles Thor is a gigantic improvement over nobody. The Phillies have essentially been using a bullpen game (or Falter) every 5th start. Syndergaard is a massive improvement over that option. No team needs SP more than the Phillies, and it’s backend help they need. They don’t need an ace.
Like to see the Angels trade Noah Syndergaard to the Blue Jays for their #2 prospect, SS/3B Orelvis Martinez. Angels would have to eat the entire remaining contract and may even have to throw in another prospect to make the Jays truly interested,
I used basetradevalues dot com to get the trade validity if anyone is interested.
This is Noah’s first full season back from TJ. I think he will be back to form by next season and a top end starter for someone.
This is true, but Thor is a FA at the end of the year. So you’re only trading for less than half a season of him. He really shouldn’t cost that much, but it’s a seller’s market.
I thought the angels thought they could still make the playoffs
Thor’s not the top end started he used to be. My fantasy team can tell you that. I don’t think he would substantially help the Jays.
Based on these comments, someone’s fan base is going to be pleasantly surprised with Thor. Other than three starts, he has been a very good SP. The Angels need to trade him today, but I would be happy to see him back in an Angels uniform next year.
He’s solid but his strikeout numbers are way down this year, not like him.
Why at the top? I’m shocked he isn’t on the IL yet.
Really not much left out there after Thor and Mahle. Phillies desperately need one of them.
Moniak (and maybe another piece) for Thor if the Angels can’t find a better deal elsewhere? Angels can spin it as getting a former 1-1 and the “change of scenery” narrative for a two-month rental.
Hope they get Groshans from Toronto.
Nevermind Groshons going to Miami
Get it done, DD!
No Phillies. Get a guy that can actually pitch
Dombrowski is going to push the asking price way up, and Shatkins will bite. God help us Jays fans.
Why are the Phillies buyers? Someone needs to tell them.
Well they are obviously buyers. They would be in the playoffs if the season ended today.
I bet if the Phils front office works hard enough they can get the job done by trading Bohm, Stott, and a top line prospect………….lol
Don’t see the Phillies winning any bidding wars with O’Hoppe gone, but they need an arm.
Yea. Did they forget Eflin may not even be back this year. They NEED a starter.
Angels owe the Phillies for stealing Logan O’Hoppe. Thor should have been included in the Marsh deal.
The “overachievers” are getting their ace back just in time to sweep your good, but overrated team this weekend.
Noah to Philly official!!!!!