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The Angels’ Top Rental Trade Chip

By Anthony Franco | July 12, 2022 at 1:59pm CDT

The Angels have had another disappointing first half, one that sets them up as deadline sellers. After a blistering April, they’ve had losing records in each of the following three months. They have a woeful 11-26 mark going back to the start of June, and at 11 games under .500, there’s little hope of playing themselves back into contention before the August 2 trade deadline.

That makes it all but certain general manager Perry Minasian and his staff will field offers on some shorter-term contracts. They’re unlikely to tear things down and move notable players controllable into 2023, but there’s little reason not to try to deal veterans ticketed for free agency at the end of this season.

Of the Halos six rental players, Noah Syndergaard stands out as by far the most interesting. There will perhaps be modest  interest in Matt Duffy, Kurt Suzuki or Jonathan Villar. Archie Bradley is on the 60-day IL and ineligible to return until well after the deadline. The Halos seemed likely to find a taker for Michael Lorenzen, but a trip to the injured list last week seems to diminish those chances. Syndergaard, however, is likely to be a target for contenders looking for short-term rotation help.

The Angels signed the right-hander to a one-year, $21MM guarantee last offseason. The Halos surrendered a draft choice to woo him away from the Mets, hoping he’d solidify a rotation that had dealt repeated hits to the club’s chances of contending in years past. There was an obvious risk in investing in a pitcher who’d made just one big league appearance since 2019 due to March 2020 Tommy John surgery, but the Halos gambled he’d rediscover his pre-injury form.

That hasn’t come to pass, although Syndergaard has been solid overall. He’s avoided the injured list and taken the ball 13 times as part of the Angels six-man rotation. He’s allowed three or fewer runs in 10 of those appearances, generally working into the middle innings and keeping the club in games. Syndergaard hasn’t resembled his top-of-the-rotation peak in Queens, but he carries a season-long 3.84 ERA with fielding-independent numbers (4.10 SIERA, 3.83 FIP) that generally align with the run prevention.

Syndergaard entered the majors as one of baseball’s most electrifying arms. For his first few seasons, his fastball sat in the upper-90s and routinely crested triple-digits, earning him the ’Thor’ moniker for his appearance and on-mound presence. In each of his first two years, he punched out nearly 30% of opponents while inducing ground-balls at a quality clip. Paired with consistently low walk totals and an ability to handle hitters from both sides of the plate, he looked like a prototypical ace. Through the end of the 2017 campaign, he carried a sparkling 2.89 career ERA.

After losing much of the 2017 season to a lat tear, however, Syndergaard settled in as more of a high-end mid-rotation starter. His formerly elite swing-and-miss numbers took a slight step back, and he posted a 3.73 ERA between 2018-19. Then came the ill-timed UCL tear that cost him basically all of his final two seasons as a Met and positioned him to take a one-year deal during his first trip through free agency.

While Syndergaard has stayed healthy for his first post-TJS season, he’s lost quite a bit of life on his arsenal. The 29-year-old is averaging around 94 MPH on both his four-seam and sinker — solid velocity, but nowhere near his pre-surgery levels. He’s essentially scrapped the upper-80s cutter-slider he featured in New York for a low-80s slider with a bit more depth. The only of Syndergaard’s offspeed pitches generating strong swing-and-miss rates is his curveball. He’s used that offering so infrequently the huge whiff rate is likely more a reflection of hitters being kept off-balance than an indication that is an overpowering pitch on its own.

Not surprisingly, Syndergaard’s strikeout and swing-and-miss numbers have dropped as his stuff has slowed down. This season’s 18.8% strikeout rate is easily a career-low, as is his 10.9% swinging strike percentage. The league is making a bit more contact this year than it has it recent seasons, but Syndergaard’s strikeout rate is a couple points below the 21.1% average for starting pitchers. His swinging strike number is marginally above the 10.6% league mark.

Rather than overpowering hitters, the seven-year veteran is succeeding on the strength of excellent control and a fairly balanced arsenal. He’s turned to each of his four-seam, sinker, changeup and slider between 20% and 27% of the time. He’s willing to use all of his secondaries against batters from both sides of the plate. Incongruous as it may be with his reputation, Syndergaard now looks the part of a pitchability mid-rotation arm. No single pitch in his 2022 repertoire has been jaw-dropping, but he’s varying his pitch mix and filling up the strike zone to generally keep hitters off the bases. Opponents have a .245/.292/.390 line in 292 plate appearances.

This version of Syndergaard wouldn’t be as impactful an addition as Luis Castillo, Frankie Montas or even Tyler Mahle. There’ll be plenty of contenders that don’t land any of that group, though, and Syndergaard represents a solid fallback option. He’d still be one of the five best starting pitchers on the majority of clubs. It’s unlikely anyone eyes the former All-Star as a Game One playoff starter, but there’s always a market for solid mid-rotation production. Perhaps some teams will be concerned about the extent of the workload he could shoulder coming off two lost seasons, but his impending free agency reduces any long-term injury concerns for a deadline buyer.

While an acquiring club wouldn’t be on the hook for any commitments beyond 2022, Syndergaard would be a fairly expensive add for the stretch run. He’ll be owed a bit more than $7.5MM from deadline day onwards, a tab that could deter lower-budget teams or those already in luxury tax territory. That’s a fair bit of money for clubs to take on midseason, but the Angels could retain some salary to improve their prospect return.

It stands to reason the Halos will be motivated to make a deal, particularly if they’re able to land an upper minors infield or rotation option who could contribute in 2023 when the team takes another shot at contending. It’s unclear precisely how draft pick compensation for free agents might work next offseason — the existence of the qualifying offer is pending the league’s and union’s negotiations on an international draft — but Syndergaard would be ineligible for a QO because he received one from the Mets last year. Were the Angels to keep him all season, they’d likely receive no compensation if he walks in free agency.

Syndergaard won’t be as in-demand a trade target as the controllable starters (Castillo, Montas and Mahle) who figure to dominate headlines over the next three weeks. Yet he’s a strong candidate to change uniforms, and he’d be a more notable acquisition than other rentals like José Quintana and Chad Kuhl for clubs willing to assume some of his remaining salary. He’s no longer the Thor of old, but Syndergaard is still a strong option for teams on the hunt for mid-rotation help.

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  1. Francys01

    3 years ago

    It would be cool to see Noah Syndergaard pitching for the Phillies as their third starter.

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    • DaOldDerbyBastard

      3 years ago

      As a Mets fan I would absolutely hate that.

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      • 17dizzy

        3 years ago

        Ohtani —— is the Angels top trade chip in 2022!!!!!

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    • VonPurpleHayes

      3 years ago

      Wheeler and Thor united would be a pretty neat story and SP is the Phils greatest need after the injuries to Suarez and Eflin. I just don’t know if the Phils have the right trade chips to make it happen. I wouldn’t give up a lot for a rental.

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    • cubsmetsbrewers

      3 years ago

      What’s so cool about that?

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      • VonPurpleHayes

        3 years ago

        Former Met and his former Met rotation mate, but reunited on a division rival squad. There’s an entertaining story there for sure. Also Thor had an ongoing thing with Mr. Met, it would be hilarious to see what he does with the best mascot in all of baseball.

        But, like I said before, I don’t know if the Phillies pull the trigger here. It depends what the Angels are asking for, but the Phils should not give up much. Phillies should take on a good portion of the contract and throw in some beach towels or something.

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    • Balzenuf

      3 years ago

      the Phillies could have two syndergaards and would still finish last

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      • VonPurpleHayes

        3 years ago

        I assure you, they aren’t finishing last. Not even close.

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    • DocBB

      3 years ago

      Thor is a 3rd or 4th starter at this point

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      • VonPurpleHayes

        3 years ago

        The Phillies have a pretty solid rotation when healthy. A solid number 4-5 would really help.

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    • Yep it is

      3 years ago

      It would be COOL to see Mike Schmidt come back and play but that isn’t happening either.

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  2. bucsfan0004

    3 years ago

    That 11-26 “woeful” record is even more embarrassing when you take out Ohtani’s starts. Any discussion of who should start the All-Star game should start and end with Ohtani

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    • Sideline Redwine

      3 years ago

      Wrong. McClanahan and Verlander are superior this year. I get it. You like him. And he’s having another great year. But he does not deserve to start the all-star game.

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      • mlb1225

        3 years ago

        Yeah, McClanahan’s 210 ERA+ is insane.

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        • Halo11Fan

          3 years ago

          There are almost always a lot of good candidates to start the All-Star game.

          McClanahan, who has a higher FIP than Ohtani, is a fine choice. Verlander, who has a much higher FIP than Ohtani, is also a fine choice.

          You can’t go wrong with any of them.

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      • bucsfan0004

        3 years ago

        No offense but Verlander and McClanahan teams both have make-up games on the Thursday after the break. Anaheim is once again 30 games out before the break, and the sport needs to showcase their unicorn.

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    • Cap & Crunch

      3 years ago

      Ehh I don’t All star games seriously –

      Start Kershaw for the LA fans and Ohtani for the world fans

      Best appeal for everyone – Gonsolin and McClanahan will get recognized come pay day…and inning number 2

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      • TheOpener

        3 years ago

        Clayton Chokeshaw

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  3. Rsk3228

    3 years ago

    Thor to Philly.

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  4. Edp007

    3 years ago

    Fold the Angels franchise , expel Moreno, award a new expansion franchise in Anaheim to another owner ,distribute the current contracts via draft among all the teams , new team drafts first and second , 29 current teams can protect 20 sum odd players and away we go

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    • darkstar61

      3 years ago

      Welcome back, Hollywood Stars!

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      • 5toolMVP

        3 years ago

        Hollywood Stars of Anaheim?

        …sorry couldn’t resist.

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        • tstats

          3 years ago

          Los Angeles Hollywood Stars of Anaheim CALIFORNIA

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        • HalosHeavenJJ

          3 years ago

          Acknowledging there was quality baseball on the West Coast before the NY invasion is always cool, even in joke form.

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  5. Sideline Redwine

    3 years ago

    Villar? The guy that was just dumped by the Cubs? Good luck.

    Surprise surprise, the Angels are doing even worse without Joe Maddon. Another genius move by the Angels’ FO.

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    • solaris602

      3 years ago

      Angels jumped the gun on dispatching Maddon and only made matters worse by installing Phil Nevin who looks like he’s on the brink of a heart attack most of the time. The FO has painted themselves into a corner – they’re damned if they tear it down and damned if they don’t.

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  6. aragon

    3 years ago

    Tie Stassi to a Thor’s leg! He is the worst pitch calling catcher since Napoli.

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  7. bkbk

    3 years ago

    Its pretty straght forward. Arte is unuwlling to invest in player development and all the other organizational soft costs that all the top orgs do. The difference between the Angels or say the Orioles is that the Angels on paper are expected to win which makes it extra painful for us losers who were cursed with loving this team.

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    • drasco036

      3 years ago

      The angels remind me so much of the tribune era cubs.
      Prospects are hit and miss, everyone understands that but to have so many “elite” prospects miss… not just miss but come up and look completely freaking lost in every aspect of the game. Adell was a consensus top 10 prospect and the guy can’t hit or field at the MLB level!

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      • SonnySteele

        3 years ago

        Felix Pie is a great example of a Cubs top farmhand who fizzled in the majors.

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  8. DarkSide830

    3 years ago

    I would also like to sew Thor pitching in Philly, but what I’m seeing on his season so far screams ~4.00 ERA pitcher, and if LAA wants a serious rental haul in return than I’m not interested.

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    • Captain Dunsel

      3 years ago

      The prospect cost should not be to high if the Phillies take on his entire salary.

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    • kellin

      3 years ago

      The Angels will probably give up a bag of chips just for the Phillies to take the entire cost of his salary off their hands..

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    • Angels & NL West

      3 years ago

      Thor blew up twice – Rangers and Yankees – but has otherwise been a very solid SP consistently pitching into the 6th inning and beyond.

      I have no idea on the return for him given that he’s a rental, but Thor would be nice addition to any staff looking for quality innings down the stretch.

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      • HalosHeavenJJ

        3 years ago

        And in one of those games he was left in an inning after every fan wanted him pulled.

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      • solaris602

        3 years ago

        Maybe Klentak can convince LAA to take Kingery in return. That would solve 2 problems for PHI.

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  9. Ronk325

    3 years ago

    I still don’t understand why the Angels only signed him for one year knowing they would lose a draft pick. That makes me wonder if they’ll keep him and hope he re-signs

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    • aragon

      3 years ago

      as if angels ever cared about draft picks! sad.

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    • YankeesBleacherCreature

      3 years ago

      Thor was looking for a pillow contract to prove he is healthy and it’s working out so far. If the Angels decide to trade him, they can get comparable package to compensate for the draft pick they’ve lost.

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      • Ronk325

        3 years ago

        I’m not so sure the Angels will get a return equivalent to the compensation pick unless they eat a good chunk of his salary. I guess we’ll find out soon enough

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        • 5toolMVP

          3 years ago

          They will almost certainly get a player back that is closer to being MLB ready than a 2022 comp pick. Any 2022 draft pick won’t be MLB ready until 2025 or so, not many picks are.

          Whereas the trade return for Thor will likely be a guy drafted 2017-20 and have a few years of development under his belt, near ready for MLB action.

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        • JoeBrady

          3 years ago

          I’m not expecting much of a return. He’s pitched well, but not great The lack of Ks is concerning. There won’t be many teams lining up to take on his salary.

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      • Cap & Crunch

        3 years ago

        No comp pick unless Angels eat majority of money owed still

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        • 5toolMVP

          3 years ago

          The comp pick went to the Mets when the Angels signed Thor.

          The Angels can get whatever the market will offer. Could be 1 or 2 players, both probably better in 2022-25 than any comp pick in 2022-25.

          Obviously they get less if they don’t eat salary, more if they eat salary.

          They’ve already paid roughly half of the $21m, so maybe $9-11m remains.

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        • YankeesBleacherCreature

          3 years ago

          He’s owed $7.5M at the deadline. We don’t know how another team is going value a mid-rotation arm and whether trading for him will be enough for their playoffs push.

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        • 5toolMVP

          3 years ago

          Thanks. $7.5m even better!!

          If I’m the Angels I pay 1/2 or all and get the best player(s) back that I can. Someone that’ll be a MLB starter in 2022/23 in the field or on the mound.

          My goal is FILL and IMPROVE an Angels STARTING roster spot for 2022/23.

          I don’t want some AA/AAA 6th-10th round pick from 2016-18 that hasn’t panned out yet, just to restock the farm. Maybe as a second player in a trade package.

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        • JoeBrady

          3 years ago

          I’d be surprised if you got someone that projected to be an MLB starter. The logic that I use is that, if Syndergaard was a FA right now, would anyone give him a $21M contract? I doubt it. If that’s the case, then his contract is effectively underwater.

          But let’s say he is worth exactly $21M, if the LAA kick in $3.5M, they will only get a $3.5M prospect in return.

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    • riffraff

      3 years ago

      Ronk – they can sign him for next year no matter which team he finishes the season with. Trade him get back a prospect to recover the lost pick and if they really like him sign him in offseason

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    • darkstar61

      3 years ago

      They can’t afford to keep him for next season

      Trout, Rendon and Ohtani will cost about 100 million combined next year. This season Ohtani was merely 6 million, allowing them to give the money they did to Thor

      If they were to keep Noah for 2023, it would leave the team paying 120 million for just 4 guys. Can’t possibly do that on an overall 185 million payroll

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      • Cap & Crunch

        3 years ago

        Don’t forget the trio of Rps that will cost close to 27 mill next year in Iglesias Loup and Tepera )

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  10. DGHalos714

    3 years ago

    What the Halos really need to do is trade Ohtani now while his value is at an all time high. If we can’t win with him and Trout then one has to go and he should be able to get some serious talent for a team with so many holes. As a fan it has been tough to watch and as a super star it must be brutal. All he and Trout are playing for are MVPs. Both deserve to be on a winning team and Trout has made his decision…tough to say it but free Shohei!

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    • UWPSUPERFAN77

      3 years ago

      Do not trade the Babe Ruth of the Angels! He is worth almost a whole minor league draft. Also, I would like Thor to the Brewers if the Angels eat half of his Salary!

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    • Louholtz22

      3 years ago

      No, what the Angels really need to do is organize an intervention at Moreno’s home. Take the baseball decision keys away from him. Trading Ohtani is not going to do any good. He’s two all star players.

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      • aragon

        3 years ago

        First, angels cannot afford to keep him long term. there is no room. Two, by trading him the team can get valuable pieces to build the team for a better future.

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        • 5toolMVP

          3 years ago

          They are paying Upton $28m NOT to play. I’m pretty sure the Angels could pay Ohtani his $5.5-6mm salary + Upton’s $28mm salary and both the team and player would be okay. He will get a record for arb3 salary, I’m not sure he would get $30m-32m in arbitration for 2023 though. It’ll be interesting to see what that number is.

          Long term extension could look something like…
          2023: $28-30m arb3
          2024: $40-42m + $5 signing bonus
          2025: $43m
          2026: $43m
          2027: $43m
          2028: $43m
          2029: $43m

          7yrs/$295-300m

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        • HalosHeavenJJ

          3 years ago

          Arte can, and likely will at least offer, to pay Ohtani big time.

          The problem is Arte also caps payroll at $190 per year.

          In your scenario, that’s $40 million for Ohtani, $35 million for Trout, and $38 million for Rendon. $113 tied up in three guys. Add in Iglesias for the next three years and that’s nearly $130 million for four.

          So, the Angels have $60 million to fill the 22 MLB roster spots plus add depth. Fletcher gets $5 million, so now that’s $55 million left over.

          In short, we’ll have an even more top heavy team than we have this year.

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        • 5toolMVP

          3 years ago

          @Halo, yeah Arte’s $190m self-imposed cap is the problem. Arte wants to be mentioned with the elite big market teams but his wallet says middle/upper-middle market.

          That’s the real problem.

          The focus needs to be on the overall annual team payroll, not “Trout makes 36m, Rendon 37m, Ohtani might get 38-43m we can’t afford all three.” Focus on the overall $190 team payroll and raise it up to the $230m CBT.

          Fill the roster
          Fill the win column
          Fill the trophy case
          Fill the seats
          Fill the team coffers.

          The elite big market teams are AT or OVER the CBT ($215-250m) every 3 out of 4/5 years. Meanwhile, Arte taps out at $175,180,185,190m every year with a top heavy roster/payroll.

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    • 5toolMVP

      3 years ago

      What “serious talent” do you think they could get?! Pick any team… what talent would they give for Ohtani?! Be reasonable and realistic.

      Example: Would SD give SP Gore + SS Abrams? Is that even close?, too little, too much? Who says no?

      What the Angels REALLY need to do is go all-in raise payroll to CBT +$5-10mm or so, (think: $230-240m payroll), strike while the iron is hot with Trout/Ohtani in their prime!!, fill roster spots with 3-4 LEGIT starting talent which would allow the MLB team to win some games and give the farm system time to develop.

      They don’t need to trade away the top 3 stars, they need to spend more in the near term. I’m not saying they need elite all stars like Correa, Story, etc but there are starters/near AS players, >2 WAR starters they could sign or trade for.

      Build a real roster, stop being half-assed about the roster/payroll. Be like the Yankees, Mets, Dodgers, Red Sox and spend more, spend wisely spend of legit talent.

      End Rant!

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      • aragon

        3 years ago

        spending more has to be based on developing home grown talents. the team has been going downhill since we didn’t keep homegrown talents,

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        • 5toolMVP

          3 years ago

          When you add a player via trade or free agency it allows the home grown talents to develop in the minors. It’s a combination of all three, but you can’t DEVELOP players if you’re constantly shuttling them between AAA/Angels as they do with Adell, Silseth, Marsh, and various others.

          Also keep in mind any draft pick usually takes 3-4 years to develop in the minors so signing or trading for a player with 3-5 years of control allows the ANGELS to win now while DEVELOPING prospects for later 3-5 years down the road.

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      • fjmendez

        3 years ago

        What the Angels need to do is rebuild. As much as fans want Ohtani to stay, he won’t. He has said it multiple times that he wants to win. He won’t get that with the Angels. Trade Ohtani so that Angels restock their farm system, which is currently one of the lowest in ranks, Spending money can you get veterans, but the downside is their farm system will still be one of the shittiest ones in MLB.

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      • fjmendez

        3 years ago

        Angels need to DEVELOP players for the future.

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        • 5toolMVP

          3 years ago

          @fjmendez

          They need to do both. Adding established players creates depth in the system.

          • Sign and trade for legit starters to WIN NOW. (Replacing the crappy subs …that are starting far too much…on the 26 man roster) C, SS, SP5/6, RP

          • Draft and develop players to win in the future. 3-5 years out.

          Trade/Sign a SS to help win in 2023/24, let the SS kids DEVELOP in the farm system.

          Trade/Sign a OF to help win in 2023/24, let Marsh, Adell DEVELOP in the farm system.

          Trade/Sign a SP to help win in 2023/24, let the kids DEVELOP in the farm system.

          If the kids in the farm system force their way up then the Angels have more options… •Trade the player(s) they traded/signed and promote the kids.
          • Trade the prospect for other MLB vets or prospect needs.

          That’s how teams win and get system depth. Trading away Ohtani/Trout etc will just turn the Angels into the Pirates, but the farm system may improve, the Angels roster not so much.

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      • Cap & Crunch

        3 years ago

        5 Tool is correct- They do just need to raise the payroll to around 240 mill for 4 outta the next 5 years

        But if they don’t {and they haven’t} then they are a bad team like Halo Heaven and everyone else sees

        So Arte knows the answers to all the questions yet still never decides to solve the puzzle-

        **How could you NOT rant being a loyal fan of this club, no shame

        *** Gore Abrhams Hasell + money/timeline swaps is a questions I’ve looked to get answers too as well – Feels light but I don’t think Trout would change area codes so limits the market severely

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        • JoeBrady

          3 years ago

          Cap & Crunch3 hours ago
          5 Tool is correct- They do just need to raise the payroll to around 240 mill for 4 outta the next 5 years
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          They are at $207M. They project to 71 wins. Adding another $33M might not do it. In fact, given that Ohtani is a FA after next year, adding $33M barely covers Ohtani;s raise.

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        • 5toolMVP

          3 years ago

          $207 based on what source? That must be the total luxury tax number, includes player benefits etc. I’ve seen 2 sites that have the Angels at $187-190m. That’s AAV salary totals not counting player benefits etc.

          They wouldn’t be projected to win 71 if they had a legit SS, SP, and C.

          In 2023, Ohtani’s arbitration raise will probably be his 2022 $6m salary + some portion of the $27-28m paid to Upton in 2022. So it’s not a burden on payroll for 2023, in fact it’s money well spent and not $27-28m wasted on a cut player.

          In 2024 his salary as a free agent would jump another $10-12m? to around $40-45m a year. You don’t need another $33m (payroll increase) to keep Ohtani, you allocate Upton dollars to Ohtani and then increase payroll to $10-12m to cover long term deal.

          • Ohtani’s agent submits a number, probably $30m+ for 2023.
          • Angels probably submit a number under $30m for 2023.
          1. They either agree somewhere in between OR
          2. An arbitrator decides in favor for Ohtani OR the team OR
          3. The team and Ohtani agree on a long term extension. OR
          4. They trade Ohtani (probably after Arb is decided, assuming it’s in preseason)

          I really don’t care what the team payroll is ($190,210,230,250, ??) if they are winning. Money well spent doesn’t have to be the most money spent for every position. Allocate $7-10m on a SS, $15m on a C, $15m on a SP

          The fans complaining of the high payrolls of the Yanks, Dodgers, Red Sox are haters… fans of opposing teams.

          If you wanna PLAY with the BIG DOGS then you gotta PAY like the big dogs.

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        • JoeBrady

          3 years ago

          1-I got my salary numbers from Cot’s. They are about as good as anyone out there.

          2-If you’re talking about arbitration for Ohtani, it will be cheaper, but only for 2023. If you are talking about an extension, I see no way that he doesn’t get $35M.

          3-IRT Upton, you’ll save $21M, but likely lose almost all of that to Ohtani in arbitration.

          As a RS, I have no probably spending. And I have no problem with the Angels spending. In fact, they should be spending more. All I’m saying is that increasing the payroll to $230M is probably not enough.

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        • prov356

          3 years ago

          JoeBrady – I believe Ohtani will cost more than 35m AAV. He has talked about 45m AAV being his number. The Angels would be stupid to tie up that much in one player. They wouldn’t be able to add any other meaningful players for years.

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        • Cap & Crunch

          3 years ago

          @Joe-

          Spotrac has 190 ..I too was assuming before player benefits etc so a 50 mill bump

          There’s really no other way than a full rebuild selling 2 of the best players of this century. Id go with the rebuild myself but Arte isn’t so this is what the Angels need to do –

          Do agree even at 230 your still prolly only looking at a WC at best but ya still gotta do it if your Arte ; you dug the hole

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        • darkstar61

          3 years ago

          @JoeBrady

          Your 209 number is the 2022 Lux Tax number. That number is meaningless for Anaheim as Arte self imposes a salary cap based off real dollars spent

          Real salaries on opening day
          04-07 – under 110
          08-10 – under 125
          11-15 – under 150
          16-20 – under 170
          21-22 – under 190

          Every few years (usually every 5) he increases it about 20 million, but there is no getting around the fact he is self imposing salary limits to those opening day payrolls (pre benifits, which usually add about 10m, barring adds/removals, so he knows roughly what to expect at the end of the year)

          He should not be expected to raise the payroll much, if at all, for 2023. It’s not what he does, he’s using the team to make ss much as he can for himself and sets these numbers based off what he expects the team can bring in. He also skimps on the back end costs to ensure that top line return on investment (hence the lack of player development, continued injury issues, etc, that have plagued the team under his ownership)

          2023 opening day payroll should be expected to be under 190, or at absolute most 210 if he’s allowing his 20m raise early – and you just can’t afford Trout, Rendon, Ohtani, plus other huge salaries while building a winner under 190 (or even 210)

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  11. bamck

    3 years ago

    I think he’s a good fit for the Red Sox

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    • Louholtz22

      3 years ago

      All Boston needs is bullpen help. They can slug with anybody. Gotta bank on Sale.

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  12. doxiedevil

    3 years ago

    Thor would give Atlanta another starter , a veteran and AA is fairly cozy with Artie Moreno of the Angels.

    Yet if it caused Strider to be in the bullpen I’d pass. , I just wonder if eventually Strider is a closer ? Being selfish I hope he stays a starter , he is scratching the surface and maybe the best bargain signing in years.

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  13. angt222

    3 years ago

    Texas should trade for him and try and workout an extension.

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  14. Allerdings

    3 years ago

    And then there’s the Elephant in the Room equivalent to a rental trade chip.

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  15. ayrbhoy

    3 years ago

    This will almost certainly NOT happen but I would pay money to see the reaction of both sets of players if the Mariners traded for one of the Angels pitchers hahaha. Can u imagine if Jerry traded for Ryan Tepera or Jose Iglesias haha!!?

    Not happening of course but you can use your imagination- easy to picture players stomping away in a huff after the GM/Mngr breaks the news!

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    • Ignorant Son-of-a-b

      3 years ago

      Mariners don’t need any of their crap relievers. Haven’t you noticed the M’s bullpen is -stacked-.

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  16. Old York

    3 years ago

    Trade Ohtani and Trout and get started on the rebuild.

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    • kellin

      3 years ago

      That won’t fix the problem. We all know its Moreno.

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      • Teamspirit

        3 years ago

        Dumping a top grade manager for a novice in the middle of the season isn’t working out for the Angels. Imagine that.

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    • UWPSUPERFAN77

      3 years ago

      To OLD York:Might be the right long term solution. Problem: The way your team is run is the real issue. Also, your attendance might end up looking like Tampa or Pittsburgh if you did this!

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  17. Michaelchavez22

    3 years ago

    Just blow up the team already and start from scratch. Trout is getting older and more injury prone.

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  18. dw007

    3 years ago

    One thing is certain with the Angels …….. they always make deals that eventually never work out. (Trout wasn’t a “deal”; he was a draft pick – Ohtani was a FA) The Angels are again one of the biggest disappointments in all of baseball. Owner Moreno has thrown out a lot of money, but still hasn’t understood that baseball is mostly about pitching, pitching and relief pitching. Only way out of this ? Trade Trout to the Yanks for, like, 7-8 guys, mostly pitchers.

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    • Old York

      3 years ago

      Ohtani and Trout for Hicks.

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    • bigfatandugly

      3 years ago

      why do some angels fans assume teams are lining up to trade away their farm systems for trout and his 425M w his body breaking down

      cmon man

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      • TheOpener

        3 years ago

        Right- the time to trade Trout was before 2020. He’s now a shell of the player he used to be and is about to turn 31 very soon.

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  19. SugaMonkey

    3 years ago

    Angels should just push, push, and push to third place!!!

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  20. dlw0906

    3 years ago

    Things went sideways during the offseason but he still makes sense for the Mets. He wouldn’t cost as much in prospect capital as other SP options plus the Mets could take on most of his contract.

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  21. TheOpener

    3 years ago

    Anaheim’s only remote hope of being contender by 2026 (at the earliest and it still wouldn’t be a guarantee whatsoever) would be to trade both Trout and Ohtani and pretty much anyone else over the age of 25 who has any trade value and rebuild.

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  22. deadspy3 2

    3 years ago

    Mets as 7th and 8th inning guy

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  23. rpoabr

    3 years ago

    Trade Ohtani now while at his peak value.

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  24. JimmyForum

    3 years ago

    I really have no idea why they are continuing to play the rest of the regular season when it’s already known that it will be an all New York World Series. Let’s just skip to the good part and have game one start Saturday,

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  25. Balzenuf

    3 years ago

    angels should do Trout and Ohtani a favor and trade them to a team with a chance… even if they have to pay party of their salary… they owe that to Trout, at least.

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    • VonPurpleHayes

      3 years ago

      Poor Trout. Playing in California and making millions. I bet he’s so depressed. Oh wait. He probably loves it.

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      • Old York

        3 years ago

        That’s what he accepted when he signed. Big money because chasing a championship is really not worth it. He’s guaranteed to be in the HOF.

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  26. JimmyForum

    3 years ago

    As it stands now, Mike Trout does not get in the Hall Of Fame. The writers I’ve spoken with, six of whom have voting powers, cite his record of only appearing in three playoff games throughout his entire career.

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    • VonPurpleHayes

      3 years ago

      Lol. Yeah. Okay. He’s on pace for first ballot even if he never sniffs the playoffs.

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    • Cap & Crunch

      3 years ago

      How many make believe friends do you have in your head? Do you give them names?

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    • HalosHeavenJJ

      3 years ago

      This is laughable. These guys write for High Times?

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  27. Angels & NL West

    3 years ago

    If an organization wants a top heavy, star driven payroll, they need to have an effective analytics team and invest in scouting, drafting and player development to fill out the remainder of their 40-man roster with inexpensive, controllable, contributors.

    Eppler, Dipoto, etc knew this but couldn’t get Arte’s buy-in. Perry seems to have Arte’s ear and confidence. Will Perry be the GM to drag Arte kicking and screaming into the 21st century? I believe Perry has the chops to be a very good GM. Does he have the chops to continue keeping a volitile, impulsive Arte from… being Arte?

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  28. goob

    3 years ago

    typo note to author: it’s scraped – not scrapped

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  29. DocBB

    3 years ago

    Syndegaard is very average and won’t get a top prospect or even close. His ERA+ is 97 since 2019 and his SO/9 is down 3.7 since his peak sitting at a well below league average of 7.0.. Lorenzen is overpaid garbage…

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  30. landt143

    3 years ago

    The angels stink lol even with the so called 2 best players in baseball really blow it up and trade them both. Oh wait they can’t no one will take them and those ridiculous contracts. Bad tram bad contracts bad players never gonna win so sad Go Sox

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  31. The Einheri

    3 years ago

    I don’t expect the Angels to get much back for Syndergaard unless they’re eating most of his salary. Twins should offer to take all of his remaining salary and give up a lesser prospect for Thor. I’d try to win him with mostly cash.

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  32. taco guy

    3 years ago

    Angels need to tear it all down and hit the reset button. Time to free Trout, can’t win with him. Stuck with Rendon’s anchor of a contract. Arte still won’t commit coin to bolster development staff. Until he takes developing prospects seriously, the Angels will be “just another team”. What a disappointment this organization has been in the last 20 years.

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  33. HalosHeavenJJ

    3 years ago

    Angels should pay $5 million or so and target a near MLB ready catcher or reliever. Not asking for the moon here, but somebody who could take the place of an over the hill free agent next year.

    Twins are a great partner. Eat as much salary as possible and try to snag Woods Richardson if possible.

    Giants have like 3 stud catching prospects. Eat the salary and try to get one.

    Dodgers have several guys in AA that might be starters or long relievers but would save us from dumpster diving yet again next off season for some expensive yet sucky innings.

    Phillies have Johan Rojas, an overall 50 grade outfielder who profiles mostly as a 4th outfielder who can play CF but won’t hit for power. Our outfield depth is crap, I’d love to take him.

    None of the guys I’ve mentioned are huge, move the needle guys. But they’d eliminate Tyler Wade in CF, or Suzuki ever playing again, or add innings in some capacity. The problem is we’re so top heavy and these all make a minor improvement in that regard. And minor MLB level improvement is all you’re going to get in this trade. But a series of minor improvements will help.

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    • Mr. E Team

      3 years ago

      Giants could offer Brett Auberbach. He catches and plays 2B. He could fit either need for the angels

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  34. eephus11

    3 years ago

    Pitchers tend to be a little tentative and still working things out post TJ for a year or so before they get back to full speed. If he has learned to manage the strike zone and keep hitters off balance to battle through it and his high octane stuff comes back he could be incredible. Does he take another one year deal or does someone pay a multi year 4.00 eta type of contract for him after this year?

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    • HalosHeavenJJ

      3 years ago

      I’m not a scout, but his pitching to contact a bit. Throwing strikes, letting his defense make plays behind him.

      He does seem to lack that true out pitch right now, though. He’ll get to 2 strikes and get weak contact, but can’t really ramp up and get the K on a regular basis.

      That said, every now and then he will really fire it up and go for it.

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  35. phlipper33

    3 years ago

    I wanted the Rangers to sign him last off-season prior to him getting the QO from the Mets, and was shocked when the Angels gave him as much as they did.
    He is local to the Rangers and should absolutely be a target to sign this off-season, and I’d have no problem trading for him now.
    The Rangers have a pretty deep farm system and I don’t think it would cost that much to get him. Rangers can afford to pay entire remaining salary as well.

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  36. Logjammer D"Baggagecling

    3 years ago

    Is there any actual chance Villar gets traded? He was fired by the Cubs and shortly after signed with Anaheim.

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  37. Mystery Team

    3 years ago

    The Angels are a cooked franchise run into the ground by a clueless owner who’s allowed his farm system to whither and die while spending stupidly on FAs like Rendon. They need to be gutted from top to bottom that’s the only way they ever turn it around and with the money on their books it’s gonna be tough. Good luck trading Syndergaard for anything good he just hasn’t pitched that well.

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  38. prov356

    3 years ago

    I love when the “trade Trout” crowd comes out to show off their ignorance of baseball contracts and no-trade clauses. Trout chose to play his career in Anaheim. He was not under duress. so all of the “free Trout” comments are meaningless.

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  39. prov356

    3 years ago

    Unfortunately we cannot win enough in the next three weeks to make a difference with this current team. There is no choice other than trading what we can to get some sort of return. But, as many have pointed out, Moreno is not willing to spend his money wisely on players that matter (pitching). So until that changes, we are destined to repeat the same outcome every year.

    There is no way we should pay Ohtani the 45m AAV he is expecting. That will cripple this team for years to come.

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    • Halo11Fan

      3 years ago

      Just because Marsh and Adell are going through growing pains doesn’t mean they are far away.

      They have the makings of good starting staff, if Rendon comes back, they add a shortstop, and they get a bullpen they can be competitive. They have to stop going for the home run and bring in solid players

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      • prov356

        3 years ago

        Halo – What are your thoughts on Ohtani and the AAV he would command/expect?

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      • JoeBrady

        3 years ago

        Halo11Fan1 hour ago
        Just because Marsh and Adell are going through growing pains doesn’t mean they are far away.
        ===================================
        They are. Even after Adell’s demotion, he still has a 28/7 K/W. That’s still a 213 K clip, in AAA, in the PCL, at age 23.

        And having learned their lesson with Adell, the Angels seem intent on replicating that disaster with Marsh.

        Does anyone in the Angels FO even look at his stats? In his last 144 ABs, he has a 59/9 K/W. 59 Ks in 144 ABs. Or are they aware of it, but not think it is a problem? That’s 246 Ks per 600 ABs. If you hit 40 HRs, maybe, just maybe, you get away with that.

        And it’s not getting better; it’s getting worse. A .525 OPS in his last 30 games. A .436 in his last 20. A .291 in his last ten. And that’s not a .291 average; that’s a .291 OPS.

        The Angels development efforts with Adell and Marsh at the worst I’ve ever seen.

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        • prov356

          3 years ago

          JoeBrady – There are 2 differences as I see it. First, Marsh has a history, albeit short, of being able to hit MLB pitching although he’s struggling as of late. Second, Marsh has proven to be a great defender. Adell has shown neither ability at AAA, let alone MLB.

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        • JoeBrady

          3 years ago

          The fielding thing is a huge difference, as is his baserunning.

          But there is no chance, -0-, nada, whatever, that he should be on the major league roster right now. He’s got to learn how to hit. You can’t learn how to hit something that you simply can’t hit.

          This part is just my amateur opinion, but if you don’t have a 2/1 K/W in AAA, it is unlikely to get any better in the pros. The Angels need to demote him. just like the Mariners did with Kelenic (whose roster spot, ironically, is taken by Upton).

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        • prov356

          3 years ago

          I get that but we have bigger issues than Marsh’s bat. Velasquez should be gone first for example. Plus we have zero OF depth that could do better. I don’t see a better solution.

          Reply
  40. bravesfan

    3 years ago

    Few names on this list I’d like the Braves to somehow land. Noah would be sweet

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