Prior to the August 2 trade deadline, the Mariners, Phillies, and Yankees had some negotiations about a potential three-team swap, according to The Seattle Times’ Ryan Divish. Left-hander Marco Gonzales would’ve headed to Philadelphia and outfielder Joey Gallo “possibly” would’ve been dealt to the Mariners, though it isn’t known what player or players New York would’ve acquired in this proposed deal.
As it turned out, the Yankees instead moved Gallo to the Dodgers for pitching prospect Clayton Beeter, with Los Angeles absorbing the roughly $3.7MM remaining on Gallo’s 2022 salary at the time of the deadline. The Phillies added Noah Syndergaard to their rotation rather than Gonzales, who stayed put in the Pacific Northwest. Rather than move Gonzales or any other starters, the Mariners instead added to their rotation depth with a blockbuster trade to pry Luis Castillo away from the Reds.
Teams routinely discuss all manner of trades in the days and months prior to deadline day, and it isn’t known if this particular three-team deal (or even some permutation of a deal) was anywhere close to becoming a reality. However, this floated trade certainly carries plenty of “what if?” consideration given that the three connected teams all made deep playoff runs, with the Phillies in particular reaching the World Series. Also, given that Gallo is a free agent and Gonzales is still drawing trade interest, it’s worth wondering if those past summer trade talks could influence some moves yet to come this winter.
Let’s begin with Gallo, who struggled through a rough 2022 season but still had some value for a Mariners team that was looking for outfield depth. In the lead-up to the deadline, Julio Rodriguez was battling wrist problems and Mitch Haniger was still on the 60-day injured list recovering from a high ankle sprain. Utility options Dylan Moore and Sam Haggerty were also banged up, and the M’s weren’t satisfied with what Jesse Winker or Jarred Kelenic were bringing to the table. As Divish noted both in this piece and back in July, the M’s were actually exploring trading either Winker or Kelenic.
The two remain trade candidates in the offseason, and the Mariners are still looking for outfield help in general. However, the M’s have already landed one new everyday corner outfielder in Teoscar Hernandez, and dealt Kyle Lewis to the Diamondbacks in another trade, so the Seattle outfield picture is quite different than it was back in July and early August. It isn’t out of the question that the M’s could still make a play to land Gallo, though he might be more of a backup plan if such higher-tier free agents (i.e. Brandon Nimmo, Andrew Benintendi) couldn’t be signed. Winker, Kelenic, and Taylor Trammell are all left-handed hitters, so it could also be possible Seattle would trade from this surplus before looking into signing Gallo.
Pitcher-friendly T-Mobile Park might not be the ideal spot for a power-centric player like Gallo to rebuild his value, and the slugger has only a .190/275/.372 slash line over 153 plate appearances at T-Mobile as a visiting player. That said, Gallo had a 4.2 fWAR season as recently as 2021, and could regain some of his old form simply with another change of scenery after his lackluster showings in New York and Los Angeles.
It was an odd season for Gallo, who had some of the game’s best walk, hard-hit ball, and barrel rates. He also had a 39.8% strikeout rate (far and away the worst of any player with at least 400 plate appearances), as Gallo’s “three true outcomes” approach was carried to absurd extremes. Unfortunately for Gallo, the third outcome wasn’t quite as extreme, as he hit 19 homers in 401 PA and his .197 Isolated Power metric was well below the .283 career IP he posted from 2015-21.
Gallo struggled whether or not he faced defensive shifts in 2022, and he actually had a better wOBA against the shift than without facing shifts (.350 to .323) in 2021. That said, the new rules limiting the use of shifts might have at least some impact on improving Gallo’s numbers, given opposing teams regularly deployed the shift against Gallo over 90% of the time.
There has been a lot of speculation about whether or not Seattle could trade at least one of Gonzales or Chris Flexen this winter, since the M’s have been connected to Kodai Senga and Matt Brash is also on hand as a potential fifth starter. The rest of the rotation is set, with Castillo, Robbie Ray, Logan Gilbert, and George Kirby forming an impressive quartet of arms. Gonzales (who turns 31 in February) is over two years older than Flexen, and is more expensive — Gonzales is owed $6.5MM in 2023 and $12MM in 2024, while Flexen is only under contract through the 2023 season on an $8MM salary.
Given Gonzales’ longer-term contract, the Phillies seemingly had interest in the left-hander as more than just a rental player, so it would stand to reason that he might still be on their radar heading into 2023. With Syndergaard, Zach Eflin, and Kyle Gibson hitting free agency, the Phillies could use a durable veteran like Gonzales to reinforce the back end of their rotation.
Aaron Nola and Zack Wheeler are Philadelphia’s two aces, Ranger Suarez has emerged as a solid starter, and the inexperienced Bailey Falter and Michael Plassmeyer are penciled into the final two rotation spots at the moment. Top prospects Andrew Painter and Mick Abel could both enter the Major League picture before 2023 is out, but with the Phillies in clear win-now mode, relying on Falter, Plassmeyer, Painter, and Abel for as many as two rotation spots probably isn’t ideal. It wouldn’t even be a shock to see the Phils acquire one big-ticket arm to join Nola and Wheeler at the front of the rotation, and then a more moderately-priced hurler like Gonzales as a fifth starter.
Yankee Clipper
It’s clear we were getting Julio Rodriguez back in this trade.
Texas Outlaw
But to dream Mr. Clipper… but to dream…
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Get Juan Pierre working with Bellinger for a few weeks then send him to the Yanks.
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Julio, Judge, Trea Turner, & Shohei to the Yanks!
Joe says...
I could get on board with that. Add Rodon or deGrom too.
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Lets not get greedy Joe!!! One or the other….Clipper says Rodon is the guy to roll with.
brodie-bruce
@joe imo swap ver for degrom and it’s a deal, nothing against degrom but his last few seasons health wise are concerning.
letsplaytwo
Trumbo plays a different type of Fantasy Baseball.
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I play for keeps!!!
64' Yanks
Doubtful with Hal and the Trashman.
User 2079935927
More like Alex I didn’t … Okay I did use PED’s Rodriguez
CaptainJudge99
Just as long as I wasn’t involved.
User 3044878754
The proposed trade was just a rumor
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No rumors on this site…Only FACTS!
hiflew
The return would have been from Philly since Gonzales was going from Seattle to Philly and Gallo from NY to Seattle.
My guess is that it would have possibly been Mickey Moniak since he was dealt later as well.
Dr2022
Hey clip , why is this an article that even needed to be written, it’s a done deal gallo was gone ,and who cares. Good riddance to Gallo.
And they should’ve moved Hicks and Donaldson with him also by the way.
ColoradoRider
the hot stove has cooled off, so sites have to put out something for the baseball community to gnaw on. soon we’ll be reading about players favorite pets or other sports interests…. Just shoot me!
FanOfAllTeams
Could have been interesting if it happened
Joe says...
Removing the shift isn’t going to help Gallo when all he does is strikeout and pop-up to right field.
Texas Outlaw
It might help Mr. Joe. He will probably reunite with the Rangers. He is very loved down here. Really nice guy.
Joe says...
He seems to be a very nice guy. But his launch angle is so extreme, banning the shift just isn’t going to be helpful. Going on what he did with the Yankees anyway.
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I know what you mean Joe. Same can be said for Bellinger. I know of the many issues he has at the plate and how to correct them. But I’m only going to give so much free advice. I can’t even imagine the multitude of great baseball minds from past and present that have been willing and eager to help Cody..
Yankee Clipper
And that goes for all sports. I mean, imagine how many people told Tyson, “Don’t bite the guy’s ear off, Mike!” But did he listen? Noooooo.
I do recall he apologized though, I think. He said, “Evanda, I’m tho thorry. I thidnt mean to bite no ear off. It wathnt even dinner time yet..hahahaha”
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HahaHhhaaHAHAHAHAHAHAA “Don’t bite the guy’s ear off Mike!!” HahahahahahaHaaHhahahHahha
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P.S. Clip, if I had to take any boxer in his prime, it would be Iron Mike. He was the most devestating boxer I have ever seen.
Yankee Clipper
Man, he was absolutely brutal. His knockouts were so fast sometimes they seemed like he barely touched the guy. Then, in slow motion, you can see the guy’s chin get clipped, or whatever.
Almost superhuman though. The combination of speed/strength/stamina (pre-Don King & drugs) was unlike any other fighter. An older friend of mine saw him in Catskill, NY during Tyson’s prime and said he was the largest human being he had ever seen (muscle/width). He also said he didn’t seem 5’11”, probably closer to 5’9”, but looked every bit of the 220lbs of muscle.
His interview about his boxing career was incredible. He said he did so many drugs and partied so hard leading up to, and the night before, the Buster Douglas fight. And he still almost knocked him out too.
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Clip, seen and read a lot about him. That is great insight. I agree with your assessment of him. He was just one of a kind and nobody else was even close. An absolute DESTROYER with no mortal equal…
Yankee Clipper
And scary, cause when he said he would eat you alive, he literally meant it!
Starting with the ears, of course.
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Hahahah He definitely meant it. Sad his career and life couldn’t have taken a different route….But nobody can ever deduct from his talent or proven ability.
avenger65
Yes, but did he have decent whiff rates and barrel rolls? And of course if his fWAR and drs didn’t reach the ring average, then you would have to forgive his paltrey OAA and spin rate along with his ERA+ numbers.
Yankee Clipper
Exactly, Avenger. I mean, his OOA wasn’t very good against Lennox Lewis, but his Wiff rate went waaaay up as he aged. He looked like Josh Donaldson swinging at a curveball…..
HalosHeavenJJ
I’m a massive boxing fan. Like I was at WilderFury 1 and 3 among countless others. I train in a fight gym and have multiple friends who are or were pros.
There’s a different feeling when Tyson walks into a room or venue. Even the greats are in awe of him. He was brutal.
Not to be overlooked, Julian “The Hawk” Jackson fought at the same time and is pound for pound the hardest puncher I’ve ever seen.
Find his highlights and enjoy.
Yankee Clipper
Will do man, thanks. I’ve always heard Foreman had perhaps the hardest punch of all. Many say his left jab was like most pugilists’ right.
I vaguely recall the Michael Moorer – Foreman fight (I was really little) and seeing Foreman knock him out. Ol’ George was pretty nasty and could take a heck of a beating.
Wilder/Fury were some throwbacks to older matches. They were some good matches.
Dr2022
What about his launch ankle clip
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HHJJ, I’m curious what you thought Mayweathers toughest fight was…I thought Pacquiao looked like a destroyer around 08-10 and Floyd looked untouchable around the same time..You think Manny would have got him decisively if they fought around then?
HalosHeavenJJ
Floyd’s early career was great. He says his toughest fight was vs Emmanuel Augustus Burton. Many people think he lost his first fight vs Jose Luis Castillo. Both are worth watching.
By the time he became famous he really started cherry picking guys. Pac, Oscar, Cotto, Mosley were all well past prime.
Of his more famous fight, Hatton is the most entertaining. Cotto is a nice mix of technique and action (I’m a massive Cotto fan) and the first Maidana fight was better than expected.
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HHJJ, we are on the same page because I remember the Hatton fight well. Floyd had trouble with him. Ricky was undefeated and went after him hard a few times and Floyd was a bit nervous….But I have to say, you are spot on with the 1st Maidana fight…I think that may have been his toughest fight..Rare rematch which atleast Floyd agreed to.
Yankee Clipper
That’s the only thing I don’t care for in contemporary boxing. In MMA typically the top guys fight the top contenders. In boxing everything takes so long to set up and so many people are cherry-picking opponents. It was nice when the champs fought the top guys simply because they thought they were the best.
HalosHeavenJJ
I was at Maidana’s fight vs Josesito Lopez just prior to him landing the Floyd fight. His body shots were insane fir a guy weighing 147.
HalosHeavenJJ
It’s frustrating. Basically if a guy is promoted by Al Haymon (PBC) he’ll only be allowed to fight other Haymon guys. All the other promotion companies work together fairly regularly.
A ton of UFC guys train at the gym I do. They get told exactly who and when they fight by the only organization around. They also get paid a fraction of the boxers.
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I first saw Maidana demolish Broner in a Matthysse undercard and I knew when he fought Floyd that it wouldn’t be a picnic. Floyd was ready in the rematch though. Maidana wasn’t as aggressive and Floyd was dodging everything.
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HHJJ, you definitely hit the nail on the head.
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Top Rank doesn’t fight GB guys
emac22
It’s infuriating watching Gallo swing like he was trying to hit every ball out of the city when his natural power and small park should have allowed at least a little focus on contact.
He sounds just like the minor leaguer in the movie Signs when he talks.
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Yes but Merril Hess had TWO Minor League HR records…
SODOMOJO
That would have been so dumb. Trade Marco for more expensive Kelenic production
kylegocougs
I mean Gallo would have at least been a huge defensive upgrade, it was getting pretty dire for Seattle when Julio, Haniger, Moore, Haggerty, and Trammell were all injured for more than a month. I could see why they might have considered it as a plan D or E
Stevil
I wouldn’t have been happy, but Marco is declining and his contact is somewhat back-loaded.
I would be a little surprised if he stays in Seattle too much longer.
Fooque2
Good no trade for the Phils
Greenwell
Wrong luis Castillo in link
Ben10
Its ALWAYS the wrong Luis Castillo link,, LOL!
Mario93
Don’t get the interest with Joey Gallo.. these modernized analytics that says guys who strikeout 50% of the time and run into the rare home run in a 162 game season, is somehow of value. I wouldn’t want Gallo on my jays for free.. can’t stand wasted at bats from supposed “good hitters”, don’t care for the rare home run.
thecoffinnail
His defense is worth having him for free on your Jays. Since they are yours I am assuming you are the reason for the roster they have now. He would fit in with the other high hype modest delivery players the Jays field now. Gallo’s problem with the Yankees was Boone was quick to put him in the bottom of the lineup where he wasn’t protected. Had he hit in the middle of the order pitchers wouldn’t have challenged him so hard and he wouldn’t have lost his confidence. Put him on a team like the Jays then have him hit after Vlad where he should be in a lineup and he will return to form. Boone is to blame for Gallo falling off a cliff.
therattler 2
Gallo can’t hit high fastballs. He will get them until he proves he can handle them. Doesn’t matter where in lineup he hits. That won’t change his problem with high fastballs.
Mario93
He sucks
Latino Heat
His best form was him being a fake Adam Dunn doesn’t matter who he hits before or after
Mario93
“Since they are yours I am assuming you are the reason for the roster they have now”… what does that even mean? ..
Latino Heat
Come on Mario go eat a mushroom so you can figure it out. First guy said my team when talking about the jays so he was saying he’s the reason the roster looks how it does. Okay now go get a star
NWYanksfan
I watched a lot of Yankee games and can just say wow, you’re wrong! Gallo was given every opportunity in NY and failed miserably. No need to blame Boone here!
Dr2022
Agree fully Yankees fan. In fact he was given more opportunities than I would have given him. And he was a sore loser to boot, he blamed everyone but himself for his failures. He really ran his mouth off when he left town, bragging about how the Dodgers treated him better ,and he was playing so much better lol. Yeah for one or two games maybe, then he regressed back to his Yankees ers dreadful play.
emac22
Sorry but Gallo’s problem is not the coach. He’s a perfect player for a really bad team because he tries really hard and has some decent skills but he just isn’t very smart and he’s very stubborn.
Line up protection is great and a player who closes his eyes and swings as hard as possible always does better with more strikes. The problem is players who swing like that aren’t able to overcome it with any level of skill. Trying hard doesn’t make up for playing smart and at the highest levels you can’t give anything away.
Poster formerly known as . . .
In a dugout interview with YES reporter Meredith Marakovitz, Gallo came right out and said he had no intention of changing his approach at the plate, saying something like “This is who I am.”
Don’t blame Boone or anybody else for Joey’s struggles when he tells you he’s unwilling to make adjustments to improve. I mean, how many time have you heard “this is a game of adjustments”? Any hitter who can’t — or won’t — adjust to the adjustments that pitchers are making against him is asking to fail.
hoof hearted
Alot of dis towards Marco and flexen. Those are 2 quality pitches, not in the caliber of the other 4; nevertheless, 20 other rotations would benefit from slotting them in.
Marco has been an anchor since Coming over from stl.
thecoffinnail
Pretty sure that is what they are saying. Marco is a solid #4 that you can count on keeping his team in every game. Pretty sure 20 is a bit on the low side and I am sure almost every team would benefit from a sturdy presence like him in their rotation.
Fred Park
Man the hot stove has really gone cold when we start getting stories like this.
Last August 2nd deadline is ancient history already.
sascoach2003
If I’m the “modern-day Dave Kingman “(Gallo) I’m looking for a 1-yr rebuild contract in a hitters park, and work like crazy on driving the ball middle/right. As much as he still can draw a walk, he can rebuild his value.
Baseball dude
Horrible deal for the mariners unless they got other player(s). Gallo sucks!!
Brixton
Gonzales isn’t really that great. Maybe they viewed dumping his salary as the benefit of the deal
hoof hearted
You’d have to go and look at his game starts. Some real solid outings, and a few stinkers. Look at # of QS.
Went deep in last game of the year to preserve the BP for playoffs, and sacrificed his own spot on p.ayoff roster.
User 2079935927
Gallo Doesn’t strike out Kingman did, does he? It was feast or famine with Kingman.
Not Beast or Burden with Mick and Keef.
avenger65
And don’t forget Kingman’s defense. What his team gained from his hr he gave back by tripping over his own feet in the OF.
fivepoundbass
Kingman’s career K rate was 24.4%, and he never struck out 160 times in a season. Compared to todays players, he made pretty much average contact
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Well, I want Joey Gallo in the Orioles outfield next season
Now, it remains to be seen as to what happens
Central Valley
I ran into Farhan Zaidi today at our local Costco. While we were both waiting in line to buy a hotdog, he turned around and told me that Judge is signing with the Giants for 8/350….
They’re also very close to landing Correa…
gravel
Sounds legit.
Bart Harley Jarvis
Yeah, my cousin’s friend’s old brother knows a guy who said the same thing. Thank you for the confirmation!
Yankee Clipper
I think the most questionable thing about this is that you went to Costco for a hot dog. Everything else seems factual.
Central Valley
I’m actually not a fan of their hotdogs, however, the family is. It’s a ritual, after we’re done shopping, we eat, whether it’s pizza, hotdog, etc….
I’m not the leader unfortunately, I’m the follower…
Yankee Clipper
Haha! Boy do I hear you, brother. I go through some of those….compromises myself. It’s emasculating, but we do it for a greater good (or so I tell myself).
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
LOL that’s hilarious, but how is eating after going shopping “emasculating” ?? I am not married so maybe I don’t fully understand lol.
Yankee Clipper
Haha! I didn’t mean it that way. I meant giving up the things we want and what we want to do, in order to walk around a grocery store and eat food we don’t even like at the end. It’s just the acceptance of defeat….
I kid, I kid. He’s a good dad, obviously. His family will remember that forever. Probably fees like a mini-vacation for his kids – a fun, exciting trip with a reward at the end.
Central Valley
I’m just happy to make the opening day roster every year… haha
Rsox
And the Yankees still wouldn’t have gotten Castillo
avenger65
Hey, Rsox. What’s with all this bb talk when clearly this is for posts about boxing and emasculation?
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Hahahahahahahaha
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Separate but related:
Who signs Gallo and for how much? He was basically worthless in 2022 and almost worthless once he got traded to the Yankees. It was awful. Embarrassing.
0.7 WAR in the past 1 1/2 seasons. 0.467 WAR per year the last few seasons….
Maybe a $5M base salary w/ a $5M buyout on a 2 year/$20M club option with incentives that could get it up to a $7.5M base salary and a $7.5M buyout on a 2 year/$35M club option?
These one year low base salary large buyout lucrative multi year triggering club options seem to be gaining popularity recently- basically worthless reclamations with high upside or an inconsistent talent who’s earned a one year deal of low or high value and uncertainty beyond that one year?
Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher
Why would anyone want Gallo or any player of his ilk. MLB needs to take a hard look in the mirror and realize just how boring their game has become. Fans want to see action. Spending a couple of hundred bucks to take my grand kids to game and then watch 20 or so of the 54 outs be recorded by strikeout is not my idea of money well spent.
Need to go back to, “See the ball, hit the ball.”. Gotta bag all this analytic nonsense that spouts the virtue of launch angle and exit velocity. Game will be much better when hitters(!!!) like Joey Gallo become extinct.
Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher
Rumors from last year’s trade deadline are now fodder the week before baseball’s winter meetings? C’mon, guys. You can do better than that. And please, no more so-and-so is kicking the tires on such-and-such superstar FA.
Give me some real meat and potatoes on my plate. To wit, has anyone spoken to Trea Turner and asked him if he prefers playing on the East Coast over the West Coast? Anyone actually speak to deGrom and ask him if he even wants to be a Yankee?
Until such time as real info is imparted, bag the speculation game. Hack writers do that all the time citing an anonymous source or someone “close” to the situation who wants to go unnamed.
Here’s a nugget I picked up while working my part-time job at Cosco. Don’t eat the hot dogs! They’re made of cow hooves and bull nostrils. Eat too many and they’ll fry your brain. So much so you will swear on the Bible that Judge, Trea Turner, deGrom, Verlander and Bogearts are all signing with the Yankees.
utah cornelius
If you don’t want rumors and speculation, don’t come to a rumors and speculation website. Stories about meat and potato transactions will come when there are…transactions. Duh. You’re in the wrong place. Stop whining. You want a transactions website that writes about transactions when there are no transactions, then write your own. Until then, shut up.
bluesfan76
would pittsburg say yes to kelenic and brash for reynolds?
sillywabbit
The Mariners would be foolish to give up Brash.
Bart Harley Jarvis
And brash to give up on Foolish!
DarkSide830
Pittsburgh would laugh, hang up, then call back just to laugh again.
Redwolves3
Zaidi doesn’t need to consider Gallo as an option. Gallo’s not even a Plan F Option. Let some other team be suckered into signing Gallo.
Macho King OG
Those strikeout numbers for Beeter jump out, 280 SO over 171 IP.
Macho King OG
Joey Gallo’s career sleeps with the fishes