I don’t mean this in the sense that his stuff wouldn’t play but that teams would never let him approach the workload they did in the 70’s. No MLB pitcher this year threw more than 228 2/3 innings. Ryan topped that 8 times in an 11-year stretch from 1972-82, all while racking up huge strikeout and walk totals (and presumably pitch counts) within starts.
Clubs don’t come close to leaning on starting pitchers like that now.
Hey Anthony, there seems to be a lot of sentiment that early in free agency relievers are getting to much money. But based on what you said about Ryan and modern day handling, innings are often high leverage, isn’t their are argument in a closing of the average wage gap?
Obviously not for the super top of the line starters, but backend starters. As a red Sox fan I would 20 million for 70 innings at closer over what ever the sox paid last year and upcoming for Paxton…even if he somehow pulls off 140 innings
Also curious, someone asked a question about how player option vs team options and buy outs effect luxury tax
Do teams up against luxury tax give player options more then non luxury tax teams?
Hypothetically…if a team wanted, could they add a series of 3 year 1 million dollar player options to back end of a contract to get the avg value down. Let’s say the Mets wants to go high average value for 2 years. 100 million two years, series of 3 player options as injury insurance at 1 million. 103/8 for tax purposes
No way. Pitching and hitting today are way more of the game. Defense used to be the name of the game. Defense isn’t a seller though….mlb is worth a ton and they like viewers. That takes offense. Nolan would have been the same as Max S. One tough ombré to face even though he is 40, but he’s still 1 tough ombré. He’s not posting sub 3 ERA over a 162.
Ryan, Roger Clemens, Randy Johnson, in todays game of swing-out-of-your-shoes-at-everything those guys would probably strike out 400 batters per season. Greg Maddux, one of the greatest pitchers ever never threw a no-hitter but would probably have multiple in todays game
Did a bunch of people just start watching baseball? People asking how to make the offseason more exciting and complaining that their team hasn’t signed a bunch of people in mid November…
If you are an NFL or even NBA fan the first 72 hours of free agency is a mad flurry of moves and then it tapers of til the draft. MLB is much, much slower and people tend to not like that. I get it, who doesn’t want to put that newly signed superstar’s jersey on their holiday wish list but Baseball doesn’t move like that
Personally I’d like Trea Turner for the Cubs but there are reports that Correa is the favorite to go to the cubs. Any chance either of them take less than 9 years if they get a higher AAV? The cubs are pretty wary about long term deals The Heyward contract unfortunately didn’t work out. Is it worth taking a risk trying to sign any of the 4 elite SS?
Crazy that 2023 will be 30 years since Joe Carter touched them all.
As a fellow Cub fan, don’t believe everything you read regarding they won’t do a deal over 5 year crap. Crap made up by a writer and then picked up and ran with by every writer. They’re all hacks and have no real clue what the team is really thinking. Notice that never is a true and clear source named with any of it.
In order to get one of these super star players in this current MLB world we live in, that’s the price to play. And the Cubs know that. If they are serious in signing any of the star players, they will do what it takes in order to sign them.
The Express wouldn’t put up the same #’s in “todays” game? Why is that exactly? I think he would be as dominant if not more so.
I don’t mean this in the sense that his stuff wouldn’t play but that teams would never let him approach the workload they did in the 70’s. No MLB pitcher this year threw more than 228 2/3 innings. Ryan topped that 8 times in an 11-year stretch from 1972-82, all while racking up huge strikeout and walk totals (and presumably pitch counts) within starts.
Clubs don’t come close to leaning on starting pitchers like that now.
I get what you mean now. Makes sense. Thanks for clarifying I appreciate it.
Hey Anthony, there seems to be a lot of sentiment that early in free agency relievers are getting to much money. But based on what you said about Ryan and modern day handling, innings are often high leverage, isn’t their are argument in a closing of the average wage gap?
Obviously not for the super top of the line starters, but backend starters. As a red Sox fan I would 20 million for 70 innings at closer over what ever the sox paid last year and upcoming for Paxton…even if he somehow pulls off 140 innings
Also curious, someone asked a question about how player option vs team options and buy outs effect luxury tax
Do teams up against luxury tax give player options more then non luxury tax teams?
Hypothetically…if a team wanted, could they add a series of 3 year 1 million dollar player options to back end of a contract to get the avg value down. Let’s say the Mets wants to go high average value for 2 years. 100 million two years, series of 3 player options as injury insurance at 1 million. 103/8 for tax purposes
Or…hypothetically, front load a contract with a series of player opt outs sort of like the twins, but do it in such a way that manipulates tax rules.
MLB and the MLBPA would not allow this.
No way. Pitching and hitting today are way more of the game. Defense used to be the name of the game. Defense isn’t a seller though….mlb is worth a ton and they like viewers. That takes offense. Nolan would have been the same as Max S. One tough ombré to face even though he is 40, but he’s still 1 tough ombré. He’s not posting sub 3 ERA over a 162.
Ryan, Roger Clemens, Randy Johnson, in todays game of swing-out-of-your-shoes-at-everything those guys would probably strike out 400 batters per season. Greg Maddux, one of the greatest pitchers ever never threw a no-hitter but would probably have multiple in todays game
100% Rsox
Did a bunch of people just start watching baseball? People asking how to make the offseason more exciting and complaining that their team hasn’t signed a bunch of people in mid November…
If you are an NFL or even NBA fan the first 72 hours of free agency is a mad flurry of moves and then it tapers of til the draft. MLB is much, much slower and people tend to not like that. I get it, who doesn’t want to put that newly signed superstar’s jersey on their holiday wish list but Baseball doesn’t move like that
Personally I’d like Trea Turner for the Cubs but there are reports that Correa is the favorite to go to the cubs. Any chance either of them take less than 9 years if they get a higher AAV? The cubs are pretty wary about long term deals The Heyward contract unfortunately didn’t work out. Is it worth taking a risk trying to sign any of the 4 elite SS?
Crazy that 2023 will be 30 years since Joe Carter touched them all.
As a fellow Cub fan, don’t believe everything you read regarding they won’t do a deal over 5 year crap. Crap made up by a writer and then picked up and ran with by every writer. They’re all hacks and have no real clue what the team is really thinking. Notice that never is a true and clear source named with any of it.
In order to get one of these super star players in this current MLB world we live in, that’s the price to play. And the Cubs know that. If they are serious in signing any of the star players, they will do what it takes in order to sign them.