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Giants Have Been In Contact With Dansby Swanson

By Darragh McDonald | December 13, 2022 at 3:52pm CDT

The market for shortstop Dansby Swanson has begun to heat up, according to Russell Dorsey of Bally Sports. He lists the Dodgers, Giants, Twins, Cubs, Red Sox and Braves as teams with interest. Jon Morosi of MLB Network reports that the Giants have been in touch with Swanson’s representatives, but that it doesn’t appear any decision is imminent.

The Twins, Cubs, Red Sox and Braves have all previously been connected to Swanson this offseason, though the mentions of the Dodgers and Giants are new. This offseason featured a group of shortstops known as the “big four,” with Trea Turner already signed with the Phillies and Xander Bogaerts with the Padres. That leaves Carlos Correa and Swanson as the two of that group left for all those shortstop-needy teams.

Though Correa and Swanson are connected in the sense that they are the two surefire everyday shortstops remaining, there’s a significant difference between the two. Both have strong reputations for their glovework, though Correa’s overall body of work at the plate is stronger. At the start of the season, MLBTR predicted a nine-year, $288MM contract for Correa but a seven-year, $154MM deal for Swanson.

Most teams would surely prefer Correa in a vacuum but the price might be an issue. Both Turner and Bogaerts got at least three years longer than projected and each secured a larger overall guarantee as well. With that context, it wouldn’t be a surprise to see Correa and Swanson also end up getting deals larger than their projections.

The Giants were seen by many as the favorites for Correa after they made an offer in the $360MM range to Aaron Judge that he declined in order to return to the Yankees. However, it stands to reason that they would also reach out to Swanson and see if there’s a significant difference in the respective markets. Since the Judge non-signing, they’ve agreed to some smaller deals for Sean Manaea and Ross Stripling, bringing their 2023 payroll up to $164MM, per Roster Resource. It’s unclear how far they want to push spending this offseason, but they are still sitting on a competitive balance tax figure of $180MM, leaving them over $50MM of room before reaching the lowest luxury tax barrier of $233MM.

Giving Correa a salary in the $30MM range wouldn’t push them into the luxury tax on its own, but they do have other needs on the roster as well. They are reportedly still interested in retaining Carlos Rodón, who will also require a contract somewhere in the vicinity of $30MM on an annual basis. Adding both Rodón and Correa would start pushing them into luxury tax territory, whereas the dropdown to Swanson could lead to something closer to $20MM annually. If the CBT barrier is something they’re trying to avoid, then it’s possible the difference between a Correa and a Swanson deal could be significant for them.

For the Dodgers, they have lost their incumbent shortstop in Turner, who is now with the Phillies. The club is reportedly comfortable with moving Gavin Lux from second base to be their new shortstop, though it also makes sense for them to explore what else is available. However, they are apparently not pursuing Correa, given both his ties to the scandal-plagued 2017 Astros team that defeated the Dodgers in the World Series, as well as his high asking price. Perhaps Swanson is an attractive backup plan for the club, though they might also prefer to wait until they get clarity on the Trevor Bauer situation before making firm commitments. He is appealing his suspension and if he is successful in overturning it, the club’s CBT figure would jump from around $189MM to over $220MM. A decision is expected in the next month or so.

If that scenario were to come to pass, even a slightly more modest deal for Swanson would push them over the line into tax payor status. Since the club is reportedly considering dipping under the line to reset their status, that could be an issue. The CBT features escalating penalties for paying in consecutive seasons, meaning that the Dodgers could stay under the line in 2023 but go into 2024 as “first-time” payors.

Though he’s likely to secure a lesser contract than Correa, Swanson is no slouch. He hit 27 home runs in 2022 and produced an overall batting line of .277/.329/.447 for a wRC+ of 116. That was his first time being above-average at the plate over a full season, though it showed that he is capable of being an all-around contributor. He also stole 18 bases and posted excellent defensive marks, leading to 6.4 wins above replacement on the season, in the eyes of FanGraphs.

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  1. Milwaukee-2208

    3 months ago

    Whoever tosses superstar level money at this dude will surely regret it. He’s just not that guy

    Reply
    • Bryzzo2016

      3 months ago

      He really isn’t, I agree.

      Reply
    • CaptainJudge99

      3 months ago

      The Giants have been in contact with Arson Judge also.

      Reply
      • gfan

        3 months ago

        It’s getting old now

        Reply
    • fre5hwind

      3 months ago

      He’s just a pawn-ish kind of “ok” player.

      Reply
    • Big whiffa

      3 months ago

      He’s got potential to be the next Brandon Crawford. So why not SF ??

      Reply
      • dubtastic

        3 months ago

        because there’s still Correa available whose offensively better than both.

        Reply
    • case

      3 months ago

      Both of them seem like extreme overpays. I’m hoping the Giants go after Rodon, can never have too much pitching.

      Reply
    • JoeBrady

      3 months ago

      But more importantly, so far, no one has been talking about superstar money.

      Reply
      • websoulsurfer

        3 months ago

        For Swanson. Yes. Correa has multiple offers for superstar money and he deserves it.

        Reply
        • cbraves

          3 months ago

          I just don’t see Correa being worth $35MM+ a season.

        • Redwolves3

          3 months ago

          Team that signs Correa will include a “trash can”

        • Mystery Team

          3 months ago

          Yeah because Correa bats .325 with 40 bombs and 120 RBI a year. Come one man he deserves superstar money just like Corey Seager did. I think Correa and Seager are both good players but great they are not even close to. Xander Bogaerts is a better player than either of them.

        • prov356

          3 months ago

          Redwolves – Please shut up about something that happened in 2017.

        • yallhaters

          3 months ago

          Xander Is not better than Carlos

    • cbraves

      3 months ago

      He is somewhat underrated to people outside of Braves fans. He has power that has always been there. Great fielder and great speed. And if he can sustain the plate discipline and continue to cut down on strikeouts like he done this past season, he would be a very nice all-around type shortstop.

      Reply
      • Sid Bream Speed Demon

        3 months ago

        Braves fan here. He doesn’t have great power or great speed. He has good power and solid speed, and he’s a pretty good base runner. I believe that his defense, his arm specifically, will have a tougher time playing without the shift. He still strikes out a lot. He is clutch and a solid all around player, and a good guy in the clubhouse though.

        Reply
        • braves fan 138

          3 months ago

          This is the best analysis on Dansby I have seen written, he is worth in Braves money 18 million a year; in everyone else in the league he is worth around 24 million a year imo.

        • SoCalBrave

          3 months ago

          Another Braves fan here to agree with this assessment. Dansby isn’t fast, but he’s a smart runner and defender. What he lacks in reach and arm, he makes up with instincts and excellent decision making. He is a club house leader, moreso than Freeman ever was. And he is a clutch player that isn’t afraid of the big moment.
          I want him back to the Braves, but not at 25M per year on a long term contract

        • tad2b13

          3 months ago

          No doubt Swanson is a good player, maybe even very good if he can sustain, or come close to his 2022 performance. Most any team should be happy to get him. But objectively he is still inferior to Correa. Too many people let subjective things like the trash can, and supposed ego/attitude issues cloud their judgement. If Swanson was the top SS it would be one thing, but signing Swanson will seem like a disappointment if the Giants fall short of signing Correa, and sign Swanson.

      • LonnieB

        3 months ago

        He’s getting better every year. I don’t think he’s reached his ceiling. That being said, no way he deserves superstar money.

        Reply
    • amk1920

      3 months ago

      Surprised no one has replied “but his WAR!!!!” like we don’t all know he’s a solid defender with a limited bat

      Reply
    • pwndroia

      3 months ago

      Completely agree.

      Reply
      • skip55

        3 months ago

        or, but he’s not a left handed batter

        Reply
    • WAR overrated... shows how bad is the replacement? Assigned by?

      3 months ago

      Same comment should be applied to CC. He is an average defender, mediocre range, expected future production is 19hr/60rbi and declining with a glassbody type.

      Reply
  2. Four4fore

    3 months ago

    Just above, above average.

    Reply
  3. cpdpoet

    3 months ago

    Correa back to the Twins on a 10yr 325million dollar deal, with player opt out after every season….?
    AND then a new opt in option with a 15% salary bump for each further campaign….

    Reply
    • CaptainJudge99

      3 months ago

      @cpdpoet- I definitely like the opt out’s after every season. My guess is $375 for 10 years with Minnesota, Chicago, or San Francisco with all the above opt outs. Thanks for the laugh! Just as long as this taint doesn’t end up on the Yankees!

      Reply
  4. rememberthecoop

    3 months ago

    All this talk about the Cubs spending money and they are going to get shut out. Hoyer is too risk-adverse to play in this FA world. Even Swanson will get a huge overpay. Twins or Giants for Correa and the Braves or Dodgers for Dansby.

    Reply
    • ForeverGiantsFan

      3 months ago

      I think Braves are out at this point.

      Reply
      • rememberthecoop

        3 months ago

        I thought so too, but if he really wants to come back they can make it work.

        Reply
    • SalaryCapMyth

      3 months ago

      Ya, at this point I’ll be surprised if Swanson returns to the Braves. I think they already offered the contract they were willing to pay. AA has demonstrated that he will not pay more than the line he sets. He didn’t do it for Freeman so he won’t do it for Swanson either.

      Reply
      • rememberthecoop

        3 months ago

        He raised his offer to Freddie. He just wouldn’t cave on the years.

        Reply
        • SalaryCapMyth

          3 months ago

          So he raised it. That just means he got to the line he wouldnt cross. That also includes years.

  5. DeGrom Texas Ranger

    3 months ago

    The Dodgers are obviously still one of MLB’s best teams, but why are they suddenly letting guys like Jansen, Seager, Turner, Bellinger, Turner 2, and Heaney go (along with others I may have forgotten)?

    Reply
    • FredMcGriff for the HOF

      3 months ago

      @deGrom. Unless the Dodgers make a big splash they seem to have gotten much worse. It really does seem they got a Bauer Outage.

      Reply
      • DeGrom Texas Ranger

        3 months ago

        Rodon is basically Bauer in that he had 2 good seasons out of his last 3, with severe inconsistency and was a former top prospect. Bauer had a good shortened season in 2020, and Rodon had an injured 2021 season. I never understood the Bauer contract, but at least it was short. They obviously aren’t cheap, but they replaced Jansen with Freeman and Seager with Turner, who they didn’t resign? Something is strange. Maybe they decided after last year to be more efficient at spending.

        Reply
        • Pete'sView

          3 months ago

          DeGrom Texas Ranger — It’s been written that the Dodgers want to start infusing some of their top prospects into this year’s roster. Makes total sense. And except for Trea Turner the Dodgers had better options.

    • CJML

      3 months ago

      Dip back below the luxury tax threshold? Nothing else makes sense. They will be interesting after losing a lot of good players.

      Reply
    • SFBay314

      3 months ago

      Ohtani gonna get 10/500M from Dodgers next year

      Reply
      • Edp007

        3 months ago

        I think the bidding will start there. Based on this year , add 33% to the max u think a guy can get.

        Reply
      • websoulsurfer

        3 months ago

        Not unless the Dodgers decide to go with a 6 man rotation.

        Reply
      • JerseyShoreScore

        3 months ago

        With the gross overpays this off season and the fact that Ohtani could argue he is a top 10 bat and top 10 starting pitcher. $500 million may end up being light. I could see 12 years $600 to $750 million for Ohtani.

        Reply
        • ArchRivals

          3 months ago

          In a vacuum, Ohtani might be worth this. That being said, there is too much risk and no value at that level. Remember ALL your eggs are in one basket. Essentially, your best hitter AND your best pitcher go down at the same time if he gets hurt. At that price, you cannot sign insurance plans for the what-ifs. I think teams will be willing to go top end pitcher money, plus top end DH money, minus risk. 10 years/$450M is my guess.

        • l9ydodger

          3 months ago

          And the end of baseball!!!

    • Mystery Team

      3 months ago

      Heaney?? Lol!! I’m sure it wasn’t very hard to let Heaney walk.

      Reply
      • DeGrom Texas Ranger

        3 months ago

        I wasn’t talking about the top guys; just everyone that I can recall.

        Reply
    • ForeverGiantsFan

      3 months ago

      Seager because they had Trea. Trea I believe wanted to play with Harper in Philadelphia. I think they will sign Justin Turner to 1 year contract.

      Reply
  6. PGM

    3 months ago

    Tyler Wade on a two-year with an opt out is a more probable

    Reply
  7. Milwaukee-2208

    3 months ago

    Swanson is a complementary star to a team who’s one or two pieces away. He’s not the guy you build an offense around

    Reply
    • Ma4170

      3 months ago

      Agree… bad fit for the giants

      Reply
    • rememberthecoop

      3 months ago

      Agree.

      Reply
    • JerseyShoreScore

      3 months ago

      Agreed on Swanson. Not sure why the Dodgers would want him, he is a better defensive shortstop, but if the Dodgers want Swanson’s offensive skill set, just play Chris Taylor everyday… Pretty much the same player!

      Reply
      • skip55

        3 months ago

        maybe freddie told the he didn’t like swanson

        Reply
  8. Braves83

    3 months ago

    I luv me some dans —but before last year he was rated the 15th best SS bat for the last 4 years. Dead sold middle of the pack bat at SS—he had a great year last year but anything close to over 150 seems just crazy even in this market—il glad he is getting paid though.

    Reply
    • pohle

      3 months ago

      yeah- a couple offseasons ago this guy is looking at more than five years, 90-130 mil to be a good team’s still youthful, but veteran everyday shortstop with potential to provide above average offense, now it could be that he approaches 200 million and will be labeled as a star addition

      Reply
  9. clubber_lang84

    3 months ago

    Nobody wants to pay Correa lol

    Reply
    • TrumboJumbo

      3 months ago

      Correa wants to blow past Trea Turners contract and it isn’t happening…

      Reply
    • TrillionaireTeamOperator

      3 months ago

      Yup. Correa wants more money than anybody to the point that there is no actual number attached to his demands. He is always waiting to top everybody else and anticipating the next record breaker.

      I keep joking he will simply retire and explain that there is no dollar amount or number of years on a contract that would properly convey his value so he’s retiring early rather than be underpaid no matter how much he might actually get paid.

      Reply
      • TrumboJumbo

        3 months ago

        I can definitely see him not signing and sitting the season out 100%. Just to show everyone who’s boss. Guarantee he is demanding Judge $$$!

        Reply
        • Edp007

          3 months ago

          I think Yanks gonna sign him for big bucks

        • TrumboJumbo

          3 months ago

          007, I don’t think he’ll do it unless he can peacock around the Yanks clubhouse as the highest paid player…I just don’t see it unless they give him more than Judge…Nobody puts Carlos in a corner!!

        • Edp007

          3 months ago

          Watched parts of Rookie of The Year other night. Thought of you Trumbo. Sooo funny

        • TrumboJumbo

          3 months ago

          Hahaha I am soo pissed they took it off Amazon Prime at the beginning of the month!! Next month I may have to get a Brickma profile pic going! If you like Daniel Stern check out “Bushwacked” sometime. A little known comedy gem from him (1995).

        • TrillionaireTeamOperator

          3 months ago

          Or he will try to sign for 1 year/$40.1M or 3 years/$130.2M etc-basically anything to break the AAV record for position players or players overall. I think he cares more about that than the total and he figures if he can string this year to year AAV record breaking business along he can make more than he’d make on a long term deal. Why accept 10 years/$325M when you can make a total of $449M over 10 years by breaking the previous record by $100k or $1M etc. on successive 1 year deals that look cost effective on paper because they’re only one year at a time for the teams?

          The crazy part is that strategy might be more successful than any multi year pact he could get from a team.

        • TrumboJumbo

          3 months ago

          Yep. And even if he does get a long term deal he is going to have opt outs after every year so it will all be the same. He wants SD to come in with 50mil more than they offered Turner and a year longer.

      • Ma4170

        3 months ago

        He’s just not the impact player he thinks he is

        Reply
        • TrumboJumbo

          3 months ago

          Pay him $400,000,000 or don’t get the pleasure of having him play for your team.

        • websoulsurfer

          3 months ago

          He is the impact player you think he isn’t.

        • Ma4170

          3 months ago

          suuuure

  10. cwsAscension

    3 months ago

    A couple things he does bring that are important include solid defense and durability. The latter is where some of the glitzy position player and starter signings are likely to burn clubs in spectacular fashion. That aside, kudos if if being a decent player gets him around $200mil in the hot market.

    Reply
  11. Richard Alicea

    3 months ago

    Doubt very seriously that the Braves are in on Swanson, they just made a deal and need to lock up Murphy long term, they have not changed their ways when it comes to payroll. This team will not exceed the CBT and prefers to be way below it. Swanson is no longer a fit regardless of what you may read on social media and sports pages, and you can take that to the bank. With that said, the Braves have been very efficient with their payroll and continue to be the envy of other clubs, particularly those that exceed the CBT and have nothing to show for it.

    Reply
    • Sid Bream Speed Demon

      3 months ago

      Dude, Braves have a top 5 payroll and are close to the CBT already. Get a newer narrative.

      Reply
  12. SFBay314

    3 months ago

    Can’t wait for the story to come out in 2 years that these players just didn’t want to play for Kapler i.e. platoon system. Farhan supposedly blaming the city is a joke. Players are signing in Minnesota!

    Reply
    • disadvantage

      3 months ago

      I suppose anything is possible and maybe they don’t like Kap, but SF has always had trouble attracting top free agents. Sabes had similar complaints during his tenure as well.

      Reply
  13. greatcaru28

    3 months ago

    Thankfully we have AA.

    Reply
  14. CravenMoorehead

    3 months ago

    Not gonna lie he’d look mad handsome in Giants colors but then again he’s a ridiculously handsome man 🙂

    Reply
  15. worthington

    3 months ago

    Swanson might be more willing move to 2b for a year as well which would work better with Crawford.

    Reply
    • tedtheodorelogan

      3 months ago

      Crawford isn’t good enough to move younger players in their prime off of their natural position.

      Reply
    • ericl

      3 months ago

      Swanson is a better defensive shortstop than Crawford. Why would you move Swanson to 2nd?

      Reply
  16. Old York

    3 months ago

    If they sign this guy, it better be for low dollars. The guy isn’t a superstar.

    Reply
  17. positively_broad_st

    3 months ago

    Swanson just got married this past weekend. His wife is a pro soccer player on a Chicago team. She also grew up in the Denver area. I wonder if these are factors on where he will sign. Swanson is more of a complimentary piece on a good team with an already deep lineup, so I don’t see him improving the Cubs but so much. It wouldn’t surprise me though if the Rockies did another big contract signing after last year’s addition of Bryant. Who ever knows what the Rockies are thinking? Personally I see the best fit is either back in Atlanta or with the Dodgers where he lengthens a lineup and provides a strong defensive achor at shortstop.

    Reply
  18. Mr_KLC

    3 months ago

    Astros may be looking for a backup shortstop behind our MVP. The name sounds familiar. Is this guy any good? 🙂

    Reply
    • Appalachian_Outlaw

      3 months ago

      Who is this MVP you speak of? I thought Montel Vontavious Porter was a professional wrestler.

      Reply
      • TrumboJumbo

        3 months ago

        AKA “The Great Hambino.”

        Reply
    • websoulsurfer

      3 months ago

      Well, he can hit and he was a better defender than Pena, so yeah, he is good.

      Reply
  19. The Big Yo

    3 months ago

    Dodgers get permission to annul Trevor Bauer’s contract due to extreme circumstances. Bauer is now a free agent with an arb value of just $1.2mil. Sources say he’s signing for the Oakland A’s. Crazy world out there kids

    Reply
    • case

      3 months ago

      I don’t think the Oakland market is where Bauer’s gonna find a fanbase that doesn’t care about his background because he’s good at baseball. Astros seems like a more logical landing spot, maybe Atlanta since they keep resigning Ozuna.

      Reply
      • DTD/ATL1313

        3 months ago

        Atlanta re-signed Ozuna one time…

        Reply
      • BigFred

        3 months ago

        Oakland had the Raiders for many years.

        Reply
        • case

          3 months ago

          True, and they did become a haven for players with assault and DUI convictions, but the baseball fans aren’t really the same. Nearly every fight i’ve seen at an A’s game or in the parking lot involved some aggressively drunk guy in Raider’s gear.

        • DTD/ATL1313

          3 months ago

          A haven? Ozuna had already signed a long term deal when it happened. Who else exactly has been an issue for them?

        • case

          3 months ago

          Referring to the Raiders. Though note that a team always has an option to dump or trade a player, much like the Blue Jays did with Roberto Osuna. Fans appeared to support the decision as he was heavily booed his first time back.

      • tedtheodorelogan

        3 months ago

        To be fair, nobody is going to find a fanbase in Oakland.

        Reply
        • case

          3 months ago

          They might find that Oakland doesn’t even exist. Reliable sources tell me it’s a government conspiracy to conceal the true size of Sacramento.

  20. TrumboJumbo

    3 months ago

    Why is Bauer’s appeal process going to take a “month or so?”

    Reply
    • websoulsurfer

      3 months ago

      It started in May. It may go a few more months. After a decision the Dodgers have the right to appeal.

      Reply
      • TrumboJumbo

        3 months ago

        Wow I had no idea it started in May…What have they been doing all these months?? Specifically I wonder?

        Reply
        • TrumboJumbo

          3 months ago

          Curious how many man hours have been allocated to this appeal…And what 7 months of day to day work looks like for all involved in the appeal.

        • TrumboJumbo

          3 months ago

          Does the MLBPA have 50 people working 12 hour days on this for him???

        • websoulsurfer

          3 months ago

          No. The MLBPA is not involved in his appeal. Bauer wanted his own lawyers to handle it.

          The depositions, testimony and evidence have long ago been finished. Now it’s just a matter of making a final decision.

          A buddy that still works in an FO in the NL Central said he would not be surprised if MLB drags it out until May of 2023 to make sure it’s too late for Bauer to catch on with another team to start 2023. Bauer is a cancer no team needs. A PR migraine. He also said that if the decision comes soon, Manfred may suspend him then for use of foreign substances on baseballs when he pitched. Bauer admitted that in multiple videos and tweets. He even demonstrated how he did it. He has no defense.

        • TrumboJumbo

          3 months ago

          Oh lovely. Then we get to look forward to the appeal for using banned substances. I can’t wait.

        • Edp007

          3 months ago

          He (Bauer ) Maybe a jerk and A-hole , but imo he got railroaded . The chick was a liar and set him up.
          She liked banging Tatis better anyways.

        • case

          3 months ago

          His lawyers sound pretty sketchy to me. I googled the appeal case and a result popped up saying they posted a youtube video of the accuser smiling the next day. Your average incel might see it as proof of innocence but anyone in the court system will just see it as a juvenile attempt to appeal to his fanbase that’s putting an accuser at further risk of harassment.

        • TrumboJumbo

          3 months ago

          “Average incel” HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

          Case you just made my top favorite poster list with that remark!

        • TrumboJumbo

          3 months ago

          Perhaps 007. Perhaps my friend. IMO, once those initial pics came out it didn’t matter. They took on legs and a life of their own regardless of all else.

  21. Gmen777

    3 months ago

    As critical I and 99% of the fan base have been on the FO I’d rather get nobody this year roll with Crawford for his last season, or look internally, and revisit SS next year. Swanson had a career year this year and I have zero faith he replicated it

    Reply
  22. goob

    3 months ago

    It’s a contentious legal process.

    Reply
  23. yan-key

    3 months ago

    Am I the only one who would take Swanson over Correa in a vacuum?

    Reply
    • bag o ballz

      3 months ago

      maybe not the only one but certainly one of the only ones

      Reply
    • websoulsurfer

      3 months ago

      Yes. Correa is head and shoulders above Swanson in talent level.

      Reply
      • C Yards Jeff

        3 months ago

        I’d take Swanson over Correa and Bogarts. Much less tread worn off his tires when you add in minor league playing time of the three.

        Reply
        • tad2b13

          3 months ago

          Seriously? You’d rather have Swanson, an inferior hitter and fielder, simply because he played 61 fewer games over a 7 year career, than Correa, over his 8 year career?

        • cbraves

          3 months ago

          I agree with Jeff. Dansby has got better each and every year. He may take it up another notch next year too. I truly think Correa is overrated. Not saying this because of his past or anything like that. Correa may have the better numbers in the past, but Dansby may have the better numbers in the future.

        • tad2b13

          3 months ago

          So you prefer Swanson over Correa, not because of his stats, but because you think Swanson will “take it up a notch”? And that Correa’s overrated because his stats are wrong or misleading?

  24. websoulsurfer

    3 months ago

    I was in contact with him too. To ask for an investment in an idea I have once he signs his mega deal with the Cubs.

    Reply
  25. ericl

    3 months ago

    I’m interested to see if family plays into Swanson’s decision at all. His wife plays soccer professionally in Chicago. If he signs there, he’ll have more time with his new wife. Family is a factor for some players and not a big factor for others. Not sure where Swanson fits into this.

    Reply
    • websoulsurfer

      3 months ago

      They just got married during the Winter Meetings, so it may be a huge factor. We will see.

      Reply
  26. olereb

    3 months ago

    Defensively consistent ss, offensively he is very inconsistent. He strikes out a ton, my thinking is AA has figured he could get similar results for less money.

    Reply
  27. TrillionaireTeamOperator

    3 months ago

    1) Dansby Swanson is probably the prime example of a player over performing in a platform season and wanting to get paid over nearly a decade for a performance he almost certainly will not repeat. He’s a lifetime 3.4 WAR player over 162 games a season and closer to 2.8.

    He averages 146 games a season.

    Basically he’s legitimately worth like $18M a season and I’d understand 2 years at $25M followed by 3 years at $19M and a 6th year at $18M for a 6 year/$125M deal or maybe 7 years/$145M but anything beyond that is an overpay.

    2) Carlos Correa ain’t worth a thang. The guy is so overrated and his ego is so over inflated there’s no dollar amount or number of years or AAV that will ever satiate his ego, so there’s no offer that will satisfy him, even if he does take an offer rather than walk away with nothing.

    I kinda hope Correa presumptively retires early under the logic that he’s too valuable to assign a dollar amount or total number of years to and that he’ll claim forever he’s the most valuable player and we can’t prove him wrong because there was never a finite contract attached to him that could be equaled or topped.

    Reply
    • JoeBrady

      3 months ago

      prime example of a player over performing in a platform season and wanting to get paid over nearly a decade for a performance he almost certainly will not repeat. He’s a lifetime 3.4 WAR player over 162 games a season and closer to 2.8.

      He averages 146 games a season.

      =========================
      Not really.

      His OPS+ was only slightly higher than his previous two years. He got higher marks on defense, but those metrics are inconsistent in the short term. K/W slightly worse, EV slightly better.

      His career bWAR is only 2.8/650 PAs, but it is 4.2/650 over the past three years.

      The 146 games per season might be accurate, but over the past 3 seasons, he leads MLB in games played.

      Reply
      • utah cornelius

        3 months ago

        His OPS+ topped out at 115 last year!!! 115!!! His platform season. That’s all you need to know. Everything else is a distraction.

        Reply
  28. Lefty_Orioles_Fan

    3 months ago

    If Mike Elias does not make a serious attempt to sign Dansby Swanson, he should be flopped lower than Whale Schiste

    Reply
    • BStrowman

      3 months ago

      Disgusting.

      I would hate if Mike Elias pissed money away on Dansby when we have multiple SS in our system that could be big league regulars for Pennies

      Reply
      • websoulsurfer

        3 months ago

        In one hand you have a guy that has proven that he can play at an elite level in the other hand you have 2 guys that might someday turn into a decent player or that might completely flame out.

        You know the old saying, don’t you? It applies.

        Reply
      • Lefty_Orioles_Fan

        3 months ago

        @B Stowman

        Disgusting??

        SMH

        Are the Orioles going for the playoffs or clipping coupons and pinching pennies??

        Reply
        • BStrowman

          3 months ago

          Mateo was worth 3 WAR last year.

          Dansby has had exactly one year that was substantially better than that.

          In addition to that, we have two minor league SS prospects that could be regulars. Joey ortiz might end up developing into Dansby Swanson.

          Pretty good placeholder in the interim. If we’re going to add—make sure it’s a pitcher or somewhere we don’t have guys coming. Dansby is not a 1 year move. That’s 6-7+ years of that payroll.

    • websoulsurfer

      3 months ago

      Elias was instrumental in the Astros drafting Correa, so if they approach either of the remaining SS on the FA market, it will be Correa.

      I don’t see them making a push for either. The Orioles are going to go the AA route. Short term contracts unless it’s the kids. FA are already too old.

      Reply
      • JoeBrady

        3 months ago

        IMO, it would be stupid to pay big money to replace Mateo. The O’s would be better maybe locking up a couple of younger guys. Or replacing someone like Watkins, with a guy like Rodon, will add more wins than replacing Mateo with Swanson.

        Reply
  29. BleedzBlue

    3 months ago

    padres should sign him. go on… give him 10/250! really round out that infield.

    Reply
    • websoulsurfer

      3 months ago

      11/200. Put him at 2B.

      Reply
  30. JoeBrady

    3 months ago

    It’s always about price, but he’d be a good pickup for the SFGs. If they signed Swanson. they could still add Rodon, and still not bust their budget. I think they are a lot closer to the Phillies & SD than people think.

    Reply
  31. brat922

    3 months ago

    Let’s go Giants, offer on both SS’s and hopefully we will get one?!

    Reply
  32. cash3w

    3 months ago

    If he truly stays around $20M AAV, I think the Braves will give him that over six years and likely would’ve already (they’ve already offered $100M). Swanson is no Turner, but Turner is also not worth his deal, IMO. My concern is the amount of money teams are offering this year.

    Reply
  33. AndyWarpath

    3 months ago

    Signing Swanson and Benintendi would go nicely with their Haniger signing and go a long way towards shoring up both their offense and their defense without playing at the tip top of this sellers market.

    Reply
  34. flyinhawaiian

    3 months ago

    All this talk about Swanson signing/not signing with teams is hilarious! Bunch of geeks on this site trying to sound like they know better than any agent or GM!!

    Reply
    • gfan

      3 months ago

      Yup bunch of geeks.
      Move along then, nothing to see here, buh bye.

      Reply
      • flyinhawaiian

        3 months ago

        Already have geek

        Reply
    • JoeBrady

      3 months ago

      Bunch of geeks on this site trying to sound like they know better than any agent or GM!!
      ==================================
      You sound damaged.

      1-If you think that the folks in here think they know more than the agents, then you are delusional.

      2-Do you ever have conversations with other people?

      *I’d I like the Raiders to draft Hooker with a high 3,
      *I think inflation will be cracked by Q4 23.

      That’s just conversation.

      Reply
  35. bravesnation nc

    3 months ago

    Cash3w is correct. Teams are giving all these years just to circumvent the CBT. The dollars and years handed out is ridiculous. The Baez/Story contracts started all this last year. No way Baez is worth that contract but the Tigers were desperate and they still suck. The Story contract too, he had shoulder issues and they were looking at moving him off of SS and he is a Coors Field guy. AA has a number and will not pay retail or overpay. Swanson needs to just stay in the A.

    Reply
  36. bravesnation nc

    3 months ago

    The Giants are buried in the west! Heck Arizona is making a little noise. They are a old team and are more than just a Correa/Swanson from competing with LA/SD.

    Reply
    • Datashark

      3 months ago

      SD on paper is a World Series team, like the Dodgers have been for years – it took a 60 game season to make it a reality.

      I would say in 2010, 2012, 2014 Giants on paper were never a WS team

      Reply
  37. Datashark

    3 months ago

    Lets face it – Carlos will go after bigger $$$ where Dansby is the one on sale on isle 10

    Stats wise: they are very close but Carlos will give you more power with less K’s, but Dansby will give good power with speed on the basepaths.

    Am not sure who the better fielder is because they have to match Crawford’s range to unseat him at least next year at that position

    Reply
  38. The Human Toilet

    3 months ago

    Cubs might actually whiff on both Correa and Swanson. Ooof!

    Reply
  39. SupremeZeus

    3 months ago

    It appears that if Swanson is interested in the Dodgers he will have to wait until the final disposition of Bauer’s appeal. This one might stretch out another month or more.

    Reply
  40. RobM

    3 months ago

    Buyer’s remorse will be quick to any team signing Swanson to a big contract. He’s a fine fielder, but I don’t see his bat as being anything more than average. Career year in 2022 that I don’t expect he’ll repeat.

    Reply
  41. pwndroia

    3 months ago

    I hope Bloom doesn’t sign him. He’s very overrated as a player.

    Reply
  42. tad2b13

    3 months ago

    My fear is the Giant’s interest in Swanson is due to pessimism about Correa. Swanson seems like plan B. Boras or Correa might be signaling that he’s leaning toward going elsewhere. For me, that would be a much bigger disappointment than not signing Judge, since I always felt Judge would stay in NY. On top of losing out on Senga, signing or losing out on Correa would be the difference between a good offseason and a disappointing one.

    Reply
  43. troutfishing

    3 months ago

    Dude why does Correa get thrown in with such big numbers? The dude really isn’t that special. Literally was dropped 3 times in our fantasy league because he was underperforming for most of the year then had one good month at the end of the season haha.

    No way this guy should be making Nolan Arenado money.

    Reply
  44. bravesfan

    3 months ago

    I thinking the giants are out of this race now lol. But hey, maybe they want two great ss and just find places for them on the field and have a payroll that’s crazy

    Reply
    • OhioDodger

      3 months ago

      Why not. The Padres did it.

      Reply

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