3:22pm: Although Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic doesn’t say exactly how far the Padres went in their Judge pursuit, he reports the team did not offer Judge $400MM.
9:25am: Bob Nightengale of USA Today reports that the Padres’ offer was $400MM over 10 years.
9:15am: The Aaron Judge bidding was widely believed to be a two-team battle between the Yankees and Giants. In the end, Judge is returning to the Bronx but there was a surprise third team that sat down at the table. Judge reportedly flew to the Winter Meetings in San Diego and met with the Yankees, Giants and Padres, per Jeff Passan of ESPN. The Padres came in with a “significant” offer, according to Mark Feinsand of MLB.com, while Jon Morosi of MLB Network reports that Judge turned down higher offers elsewhere to return to the Yanks. A report from Ken Rosenthal and Dennis Lin of The Athletic indicates that Judge met with Padres owner Peter Seidler and president of baseball operations A.J. Preller but “it is believed they never got the chance to make a formal bid.”
The fact that the Padres came close on Judge is noteworthy since this is the second time this week that they have reportedly been willing to put a massive deal in front of a player. After Trea Turner signed with the Phillies for $300MM over 11 years, it was reported that the Friars actually made Turner a higher offer of $342MM. The specifics of that offer aren’t known, so it’s possible that it contained deferrals or options that would change the context, but it was surely a huge number regardless. The details of what they floated to Judge aren’t known either, but since Judge is in agreement with the Yankees for $360MM over nine years, it can be fairly assumed that the Padres were willing to get somewhere in that vicinity.
The Padres have never really been considered heavy hitters when it comes to baseball spending, but they have completely changed that reputation in recent years. Up until recent years, they had only once had an Opening Day payroll in nine-figure territory, which came back in 2015, according to Cot’s Baseball Contracts. They started ramping that up with big free agents deals for Eric Hosmer and Manny Machado, a massive extension for Fernando Tatis Jr., and a whole host of trades for stars on other teams. As a result, their Opening Day payrolls jumped to $174MM in 2021 and $211MM in 2022 and they ended up paying the luxury tax in both of those years thanks in part to in-season trades.
This week’s offers to Turner and Judge seem to indicate that they still haven’t reached the ceiling of where they are willing to go. Roster Resource pegs their 2023 payroll at $210MM with a competitive balance tax figure of $230MM. Signing Turner or Judge would have likely adding something around $30-40MM to each of those numbers. It’s possible they could have then looked to lower them by making trades, but they also still have other needs on the roster to address, such as filling out their starting rotation. Since the club is likely to be a third-time payor in 2023, they will face escalating penalties this time around. Any spending over $233MM will result in a 50% tax, with a 62% tax for going over $253MM and a 95% tax on spending over $273MM.
The question now will be whether the Padres will now dedicate those resources elsewhere or if they viewed Turner and Judge as especially elite talents that were worth stretching their comfort zone. Though many top free agents have flown off the board this week, there are still plenty of them left. With Turner gone, three of the “big four” shortstops remain in Carlos Correa, Xander Bogaerts and Dansby Swanson. Signing a shortstop is a bit of a clunky fit on the roster since the Padres already have Ha-Seong Kim and Tatis, but they were willing to do it with Turner, perhaps by moving Tatis to the outfield. Would they pursue the same plan with one of the other shortstops? There’s also the starting rotation to think about, since the Friars lost Sean Manaea and Mike Clevinger to free agency. While Justin Verlander and Jacob deGrom are now signed, would the Padres consider a big splash on the last remaining ace in Carlos Rodón? With Judge off the board, the best remaining outfielder in free agency is Brandon Nimmo. Will the Padres turn their attentions to him?
Similar questions will now be asked about the Giants, as they were surely near Judge’s final price as well. Morosi reports that Judge had offers, plural, beyond what he accepted from the Yankees. Since the reporting indicates this came down to a three-team race, that seems to imply that both the Padres and the Giants were willing to go beyond the $360MM figure Judge eventually accepted.
Unlike the Padres, the Giants still have plenty of room before on their ledger before thinking about the luxury tax. Roster Resource has their payroll at $139MM with a CBT number of $156MM. Even if they added about $40MM or so with a Judge signing, they would have been well shy of the lowest luxury tax threshold of $233MM. It’s been reported for months that the Giants were interested in pursuing Judge as well as the marquee shortstops in this offseason. It now seems quite likely that they will pivot from Judge to those shortstops and be connected to them in rumors in the weeks to come. Alex Pavlovic of NBC Sports reports that this is indeed the plan, with Carlos Correa atop their list, though they will also be looking for another starting pitcher and outfielder, to pair with yesterday’s signing of Mitch Haniger.
Can a Padres fan inform us how their team is getting all this money all of a sudden? I’m genuinely curious.
Well! When a team stays competive people buy tickets, merch, ect. That money is latter used for spending such as free agency.
That can’t be the only reason. I think there was a change in ownership or something because this is a complete 180 in what they were.
Have you not been paying attention to the Padres the last 5 years?
No, teams make most of their money from their TV deals.
When you’re worth $3 billion, you can choose to spend $ on something, even if it means losing $. I imagine the Padres owner is willing to do whatever it takes to win a World Series – even at a loss or less profit.
That too..Thanks for pointing that out.
“When you’re worth $3 billion, you can choose to spend $ on something, even if it means losing $.”
This is the answer. Any team, anywhere, can be a “big market team” if the owner is willing to spend.
See Mike Illitch… figuratively speaking of course.
“This is the answer. Any team, anywhere, can be a “big market team” …if the owner is willing to spend.” – abc123baseball
Correction: …if the owner is willing to lose money.
Respectfully disagree – you can’t just make yourself a big market team – but you can spend money like one. It may put feets in seats – but I don’t think that would translate to your market standing
It does eventually. No one cared about the Warriors until the past decade. And there’s a reason Atlanta are big in baseball but not basketball. Continued success absolutely builds a whole lot of market growth. It just has to actually be sustained.
Out last owners would pocket the money I hated them in the early 2000’s
Each team got a ton from the $900 mil Disney sale. That accounts for some of the uptick in spending.
Exactly. $30 mil per team.
That’s a crock. Outside of last year they were never very good
Im not a Padres fan but they had a bottom 5 payroll for about 4-5 years. Probably saved up money within that time to spend big now
It’s because they’re best play has ringworm. lol.
Last time they were bottom 5 was 2017. https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/nl-west/san-diego-padres/ That is the year that the Chargers moved to LA.
Since then they have been consistently marching up the charts in spending.
Mets in 2027? 2037?
They are going bust payroll wise soon so swinging for fences, and driving up prices
they really really tried, last two elite guys to sign didnt want to go down to Paradise SD even for more reported money
They always had it.
Peter Seider wants to bring a championship to SD and is willing to spend money to bring a competitive team to SD. Any owner can spend money and put a competitive team if they want too but a lot of owners don’t spend on their team.
The padres network brings in money and instead of pocketing it, they use it to pay for players.
An most big players like Judge doesn’t want to play in San Diego. They don’t treat players kindly.
Oh because Yankee fans are sooooo much better, right Larry? Congratulations Larry, you win the stupidest comment of the year award!
The ownership group changed in 2016. They have a very wealthy ownership group that has been spending more and more every year to the excitement of our city. They got a whiff of the World Series getting to the NLCS year and they are determined to bring a championship to San Diego. Exciting stuff. That being said, I think the back end of this deal is going to be brutal. Too many health concerns with judge if you ask me.
Be thankful for the DH.
their owner is a Robber Baron like Steve Cohen…. 3 billion net worth, Equity, Funds Company.
Cohen is worth like 13 billion
I think Cohen is worth $38 billion.
I’ve said similar about other players. Trout should be an Angel. Betts should have remained a Red Sox. Teams having faces of their franchises is good for baseball.
LordD, Should Shohei be/stay a Halo too??? Say yes please haha
I’ll say yes, Trumbo. First up, the Yankees won’t be getting him since they just signed Judge, so we’ll let you keep him. :-).
The main challenge to keeping him is getting new ownership approved. The new owners may want to build around him, but they’ll have to show Shohei they have a plan to contend. So new ownership is the key to keeping him!
Whew I feel a little better now hah. That all sounds perfectly reasonable. I guess how they do specifically this season will have a huge bearing as well. It would be nice to extend him around the break if they are doing well. I don’t wanna have to see impending FA headlines exclaiming “SHOH HIM THE MONEY!”
He’s going to be the first player to get a $50MM AAV, and he’ll be worth it in production and revenue. The Giants and the Mets will be the biggest threats, although let’s not sell the Padres short. They’re a different team these days. You want a new owner like the Padres. Someone willing to spend and win.
I see him getting 500 at this juncture as well. I was thinking Soto could be in that realm as well…Especially if he has a killer season.
Forbes says $17.5 billion . . . but who’s counting?
@Fink Ployed, what’s an extra $18.5B amongst friends?
Pocket change! (to be read in your best Elvis impression)
Haters gon hate. Us Padre fans used to be like you. A Sad, jealous, perpetual loser. It’ll get better for you Scro
Having a top 3 ticket sales/attendance and season ticket sales will help. Plus some pretty good deals with bally sports.
Plus it’s not so much that they have money “all of a sudden” and more just that all these teams have money they just choose to keep it.
Seidler wants to give it all back to the city n team. I love that man
Seidler is the perfect example of what having the right owner, someone willing to spend, will do for a franchise. He’s being rewarded too. More attendance and increased ratings means more money is coming in. Every market could do this.
Seidler is the anti-Nutting or anti-Fisher.
He wants to win and is willing to spend the profits to make it happen instead of pocketing them.
It sure worked for George Steinbrenner. Turned an $8.5 million investment into a multibillion-dollar property.
Significantly short!
Well San Diego is on the border so they are smuggling drugs……. it’s just being disguised as chalk for the foul lines…….it’s genius actually
BravesBH, That makes sense…I would check the “rosin” bags as well…
Pete (The Man) was quoted earlier this year.
“I kind of like spending money,” Seidler said with a grin. “You can’t take it with you.”
All the sports dollars in the town go to Padres. Only major sports league in SD.
They aren’t getting it all of a sudden. They have an owner that is willing to spend the money he has. Also, last season, Petco Park was full most of the time. Having one of the best venues in sports, its a destination. Great area, great views, great weather., competetive team…means people want to go and watch the games, spend money on concessions and gear/memorabilia. This ain’t your Daddy’s Padres. This is Peter Seidler’s Padres and we are in it to win it.
Don’t worry about it
San Diego is a great place to live
High taxes
Yep, people get high and pay taxes.
Cartel Cash
MLB received $12 Billion in revenues last season, much of which gets divided amongst the teams, and it’s increasing by the season. These teams are receiving money left and right. Some teams’ owners are choosing to spend and win. Other teams are choosing to tank and not spend.
Not all of it. Local TV deals for instance, are not shared.
Get back to me when every team brings in 800 million like your Yankees did last year.
I’ve said it before, small markets are behind the eight ball to begin with. When you have small markets plus bad management, it is even worse.
Yes, that’s true, you’re right about that. Those local deals make a difference. My point is that teams have money to spend, often more than they do spend, which is why the Padres are spending so freely.
But it’s also why the draft system is rigged in favor of non-spenders who consistently get top, young talent that they churn out and trade before they get expensive.
Teams work both sides of this equation which is why there’s so much parity in MLB as opposed to every other sport. And these quasi-caps have really dampened spending, bringing that gap even closer for teams that actually spend.
But bad management will kill teams, you’re 100% on that, man.
Bad management is the biggest curse. Smaller markets with smart front offices can compete quite well, as Cleveland and Tampa have shown, as have the A’s over decades. Meanwhile, the Padres are showing how spending will greatly increase revenue and the value of the franchise. If you’re a Reds fan, what your desperately need is an owner who wants to make the team better and not pocket all the profits.
@fred-3. All the sudden? The Padres have an owner who doesn’t care about making money at baseball, he’s in it to win for/entertain the city of San Diego, and the Pads have been doing this for quite a few years now. Throw revenue and market out the window, it doesn’t apply here, to the good fortune of Padre fans.
Lol no one wants to play for the Padres even if they can eat a lot more. Super sad. Team had so much promise then made stupid trades and signings screwing it up. Idk if Preller is a good GM or not. Thoughts?
I think Trea and Judge were wary of the chaos over there.
Turner…wants to play on East Coast. With taxes, only making about $1 million more a year
Judge…wanted to remain in NY. Padres offered one more year and taxes are higher.
Basically, California sucks. Hence why tf I moved out of there.
Taxes are higher in New York. MLB players are taxed by states where they play on the road, too. Besides, in his financial stratosphere, Aaron can afford to hire a very creative tax accountant.
Taxes in CA are no where near what they are in NYC that includes not only the state tax but also a local tax. People really need to get educated about taxes.
You want to save on taxes? Sign with the Mariners.
This is reality ^^^
Cali state income tax is the highest in the country at 13%
Yes, Padres2019ha, but the total tax burden is less than in New York. In fact, a Forbes analysis puts California’s total tax burden in the ninth rank:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidrae/2022/06/07/5-states-with-the-highest-state-income-tax-burdens/?sh=328862a023c8
“While California has the highest nominal tax rate of 13.3% in the country, its residents are only hit with the ninth largest tax burden. This is in part due to the progressive tax system, which means relatively low tax rates for many moderate-to-lower income Californians. Where California ranks well is in regards to property taxes. While it has sky-high real estate values in much of the state, increases in property taxes are capped at 2% per year, thanks to Proposition 13. Because of that, many Californians have much smaller property tax burdens than you might expect based on their property values. Capital gains taxes on investment are quite high in California.”
Almost none of those would help Judge!
Buying a multimillion-dollar mansion in California with a low tax hit would seem to be a nice investment, wouldn’t it, Rob?
The problem with blanket statements like that is that you are not taking into account what exemptions and deductions are available in each state.
You are also not taking into account municipal and local taxes, and property taxes. Some states tie their deductions and exemptions to the federal tax code, while others set their own or offer none at all.
In some states there is a state level capital gains tax.
In some states income tax is capped at a certain income level, in other words if you make over a certain amount, you don’t pay taxes over that amount. Similar to the way that Social Security works.
Its not a simple straight forward calculation.
In Pennsylvania for example, they pay a flat state income tax rate of 3.07%. Everyone pays the same percent. There are no personal exemptions and no deductions.
In Washington there is no state income tax, except that everyone pays 7.0% on all capital gains.
In California with an income over $1 million individually or over $1.25 million filing jointly you have a nominal tax rate of 13.3% but have both exemptions and deductions that are loosely tied to the federal.
In New York the top 2 brackets at $5 million and $25 million respectively are 10.3% and 10.9%, but there are no exemptions or deductions.
In California your property tax of 1% of the value of your home the day you bought it and it never goes up until you transfer the title.
In Texas, many of my friends in the Austin area are paying in excess of 4% in property tax and it goes up every year, plus it varies from county to county.
In Pennsylvania the average property tax is more than double California and it is calculated annually on the value of the home that year.
Eleven states have county- or city-level income taxes. NYC is one municipality that adds local taxes on top of the state income tax.
That is why its smarter to talk about total tax burden. California is no where near the worst.
When you barely spend any money the first 45 years of your existence, you tend to have a large cash reserve.
Completely different owner.
Each team got $120mm from national TV deals last season. They SD choose to spend it on players, which is nice to see. The better question is why does no one want to sign with them? Do they have problems similar to STL?
The problem with the Cardinals, until today, they aren’t too keen on spending big money on top notch free agents. That’s why they normally go the trade route or pick from the bottom of the barrel. Cardinals draw 3+ million fans a year, so money really isn’t the issue in St.louis, it’s the ownership and GM.
Full control transferred to Seidler several years back. He wants to spend to build a championship. He’s also showing that committing to winning increases attendance, ratings, advertising dollars, fan engagement, and revenue that can then be used to keep bettering the team. He’s cheap owners worst nightmare.
That’s a very good point. All I’ve heard for years and years is how the Padres are such a small market and how they can’t afford premium players but over the last few years, they’ve been giving out $300M+ contract offers like it’s candy on Halloween.
FTX
You’re over the target.
It’s nightingale, he pulled the info out of his a**.
The San Diego Bridesmaids almost strike again!
The real question is why don’t players want to go to San Diego?
Fred – thr padres get extra cash from border smuggling. With the state of things down there everyone is doing it these days.
It all started with a small operation some place in south America….didn’t take long to notice the profit margins for selling booger sugar would create a flow of cash so immense, they could no longer hide it in their furniture. After several minutes of discussion, it was decided they would use the cash influx on signing every baseball player possible….they are still working out the kinks but soon, the Padres will be signing every free agent to create their ultimate goal of a baseball monopoly. Once it happens, other teams will have to pay the Padres for a meeting to ask for another meeting of possibly buying a player. …I might be thinking about the Dodgers or maybe Yankees but that’s the facts.
The “rockstar gm” forgot his bag of yey that’s why there was never a formal offer at the table
Since the Chargers left town I feel as if it opened up a larger market for the Padres to capitalize on. Just speculating but it kinda makes sense.
“HippeyRipper”you couldn’t hang w Prellers yey game. Stick to the soft stuff
Padres are the only major league sport in town. No NBA. No NFL. Not even MLS.
They quietly purchased an additional share of their RSN when it was sold by Fox to Bally sports and the channel now carries all the local college teams plus USC and UCLA games In pro sports they carry the Clippers, Ducks, Kings, and Coyotes. They also broadcast Liga MX matches which is huge in both SD and Tijuana. Advertising revenue on Bally SD was up 20% for 2022.
Corporate sponsorship money was up more than 33% in 2022.
They also had great attendance in 2022 ranking 5th per game overall.
The Padres are flush and they are spending that cash.
They deleted my comment.
Padres are only game in town. No other major league sports. That means much, much more corporate sponsorship money.
Padres quietly upped their ownership in their RSN when Fox sold it. That upped their revenue.
That RSN carries Clippers, Kings, Ducks, and Coyotes games, plus all the local college sports, USC and UCLA games. They also carry Liga MX games, which is huge in SD and Tijuana. Their RSN was one of the few with increasing revenue from ad sales. The one thing I don’t like is that they are charging us more for advertising.
Padres attendance was up tremendously in 2022. 5th in the league per game.
Seidler wants to bring a championship to SD so he is spending the money from those increases in revenue.
Been a fan for well over 30 years and the ballpark is always packed, expensive food, gear sells out quick, the only sports team in town. Tons of fans from other countries something I never imagined would happen…product is hot hot expoit it while you can
My parents went to the park and said it wasn’t just a baseball game but a generally fun night out with lots of stuff to do around the ballpark. Maybe ownership gets some of that revenue or is partially funded by the people that do.
Padres were not serious. Making an offer on day of decision is a way to get to press. Padres will be dumping salaries in a few year when they decide they are same market team again.
Dear Padres, you will be thankful for missing out on this contract.
They have their own to worry about…
But this is one less for them to worry about
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$Get Correa get Rondon $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ If I were Soto and Mehcado I be these Mother Trucker that got cash to throw I am definitely opting out for more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Soto I cashing in Cha Ching
I dought Correa or Rondon to sign in SAN Diego it makes no sense to. 2022 was padre’s best shot downhill from now on. Soro and Machado opt out and sign whoever plays them more not named padres
WTF are you saying? Did you ask Siri to write this for you? Learn English Dolt.
maybe he is learning English as a way to communicate on this baseball site. A sport that is loved in many countries where English is secondary. I highly doubt you could hop on a Spanish speaking site and be confident enough to post your opinion while making sense, Or I am wrong, but you should consider that in the future.
Larry? Nah
Is that you grammarly?
I didn’t want him or did I?
This goes to my firm belief that Tatis is on his way out of town.
Back to White Sox.
SD picks up 1/2 his salary/contract.
Which White Sox are these?
then James Shields must come back to the Padres in that deal, too
I think they are expecting Machado to opt out after next year
They don’t expect it, but will be ready nonetheless
Lol, man some of y’all really don’t know what you’re talking about. Tatis isn’t going anywhere
It is interesting that the Padres have made two offers to two players (allegedly) and both players took less money to go elsewhere. I wonder why that would be?!?
Manny being Manny
Haha. Manny is beloved by his clubhouse and by our city. You need to get over the old narrative surrounding him. He’s our team leader, the heart of this tramZ
Mehchado a clubhouse leader ?????? High on Cartel Drugs for sure
They didn’t offer more than the Yankees, but also California tax is rough
Because California is a cess pool. Not San Diego specifically but have you noticed who our governor is?
No, actually I haven’t, is it Robocop this time?
Is it Robocop this time? C-3PO?
Don’t you think a lot of teams have “made offers” to multiple players but when they sign elsewhere that means they “missed out”. Nothing more to it other than our offer was a legit offer.
offer after the fact, when it was down to three teams and none were padres
Turner wanted to be close to home and Judge wanted to play for the Yankees. When we start talking more money than they can spend in a lifetime, the total money matters less. Judge would not have hit 62 in SD. The fences in right are further than 300 feet.
Petco Park is where good hitters go to die
Sure made Machado’s bat die. And Tatis’.
What if they both accepted? 600mil payroll
They didn’t make the offer to Judge until Turner had signed with the Phillies.
It still would have been less than $300 million.
Guardians were runners up as well.
Bro! Stop using different screen names with your worthless guardians predictions.
I think he is just making fun of the fact that the Guardians have claimed to be in on everyone and have walked away with no one. You should probably switch to decaf.
“I think he is just making fun of the fact that the Guardians have claimed to be in on everyone and have walked away with no one”
That would be the Red Sox…lol
” You should probably switch to decaf”
Maybe you need some coffee? Try reading up more and you will understand where we are coming from. His other handle is
OIC2021.
It’s not even a joke that makes sense. They made an offer to Abreu and then pivoted and signed Bell.
Have they claimed to be close to anyone else?
I think he’s making fun of the fact that a team like the Guardians have no chance at that kind of context… like about 20 other teams in baseball.
A lot of us get that but large market fans wouldn’t.
He’s not! Here’s a sample of what he/she’s been posting over every free agent singing.
This was on the Mets getting Verlander article.
“The Guardians, who had the most money to spend in free agency, finished an extremely close runner-up.”
And here I thought it was an attempt at parody with a point.
so funny..as a fellow Reds fan, I see you on here and sadly all we can talk about is other people’s teams, huh? I’ll never change my loyalties, but……
Yeah, I lived through the early 80’s with the immortal Clint Hurdle (the player, not the manager), Paul Householder, who was supposed to be the next great five tool player, and that so-called great catcher Alex Trevino, so I figure I can survive seeing all this malarkey going on now.
Champ Summers, Wayne krenchiki, Paul moskau…
The owners of most sports franchises made their money and continue to make money in other ventures. Some teams run their franchises as a business and care about profits. Other teams like the Mets and apparently the Padres run their franchises prioritizing winning over profits. Much respect to those teams! You should own teams to win and have fun!
Pizza, Pizza.
How long will the Padres and Mets do this before they are tired of losing games and money?
Since neither are losing games or money, I would guess a while longer.
Dang, could you imagine a lineup of Soto, Judge, Tatis, and Machado? Good lord where is there money coming from,??
Wealthy, hungry ownership group. Determined to bring a parade to San Diego. Exciting stuff as a Padres fan.
East coast bias
judge is a cheater tho bc manfred is enabling the yankees to have a favorable baseball while the rest of mlb uses an unfavorable baseball. good that the padres missed out
Take your meds
Wow that’s quite an accusation!
That “juiced” baseball story was leaked by a parody account. A lot of people seem to be missing that it was a joke. I mean if it turns out to be true, then run with it, But right now, it’s bunk.
George Castanza was involved apparently
Don’t bring my father into this.
Or Billy Crystal
?????
I still think Trea turning them down was a huge kick in the ba**s for AJ though SD may never admit that. He would have lead them to the WS I believe. “the one that got away…twice”
Wat
Nooooooooooo in darthvader voice
Kim had a higher WAR
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/kimha01.shtml
than Turner
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/turnetr01.shtml
last season.
I don’t think that Turner alone would have lifted them into the WS.
It would have made for a nice lineup. 1B Cronenworth, 2B Turner, SS, Kim, 3B Machado, LF Tatis, CF Grisham, RF Soto, Catcher Nola/Campy.
But it wasn’t to be.
It’s all hear say. One says they made an offer, the others say they didn’t.
I believe SF made the 360m offer and the Yankees matched it.
I’d work for San Diego.
I feel like Aaron Judge belongs on the Yankees. I am a big-time Houston Astros fan so I say this without selfish motives.
So, did the ownership group sell all of their crypto assets right before bitcoin dropped? I’m just trying to figure out how San Diego has money to spend like the Yankees and Dodgers.
To be honest, I like it. The more teams that can swing (no pun intended) with the big boys, the better it is for the sport overall.
Most teams have the money, but have greedy owners
Have you seen all 30 teams’ books?
Amazes me how people generalize without facts, but that’s the times we live in.
Nobody has seen any team’s books (minus Atlanta, and only because it has to, as a public company) because the owners want it that way. They can claim “oh, we have no money to compete with the Yankees and Dodgers” and convince people like you its true. I’m not going to claim every team is out here on perfectly equal footing. But they all get at least $80 million from just TV contract ($60 m from MLB deal and min. $20 m from local deals – and as of 4 years ago, there were only 2 teams that got less than $40 m from local TV contracts). That doesn’t even take into account ticket sales/concessions/other.
There were 8 teams last year who chose to spend less than $80 m on payroll. So yes, it’s a choice by MLB owners to not spend money.
Atlanta and Toronto are owned by publicly traded companies. You can see both of their books.
Every team got an equal share of the $2.125 billion in National TV deals, another $19 million from streaming deals (Apple, etc…), then their approximately $22 million share of the revenue from 55 million worldwide subscribers to MLB.tv and MiLB.tv. They also share the revenue of the MLB Network and own the NHL Network. A few other media related sources of income on top of that. National and international media deals pump about $120 million into the coffers of each team. Then add their local TV rights, which range from $25 million to $350 million. Even small market teams like the Pirates are getting more than $40 million in local TV rights. Some teams even own a piece or all of their local RSN which means even more revenue.
That is JUST from media.
It doesn’t include a single ticket or hot dog or beer being sold. It doesn’t include corporate sponsorships or the teams share of merchandise sales.
Took less to remain where he belonged. Granted, he is getting 40 mil per to do it but it says alot when guys leave money on the table to be where they want to be.
Apparently an Astrophysicist studied 3 different baseballs being used this year. Manfred swore only 2. This Astrophysicist named Meredith Wills discovered this Goldilocks ball was distributed primarily at Yankees Games and the postseason. Judge stole Maris’s record because of a heavier ball. Typical MLB.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/study-shows-mlb-used-three-different-baseballs-in-2022-after-admitting-two-were-used-last-season.amp
Why was the MLB using even 2 different balls?
COVID supply chain issue.
Click the link for story.
You honestly believe that supply chain garbage when it comes to baseballs? Wow.
This story was reportedly debunked, but it seems to be gaining a lot of traction.
Debunked by who? Manfred. Lol
Eh this is still wait and see for me. I’m not a Manfred fan, but I also don’t buy conspiracy theories from random sources. Just like the whole Astros buzzer thing, it’s just hearsay. These sources are fishy at best. “Insider Source?” Who is that? Until we get names and hard data, I can’t consider there’s any truth to this. Would I be shocked? Not at all. But it seems really thin at the moment.
He debunked the 3rd ball.
“Debunked”
Question everything believe nothing without prof. That’s the sad world we live in. Liars everywhere
It’s not sad it’s simple human genetics. Some of us are born with analytical brains and we can spot BS when we see it. The rest are born with emotional brains and fall for every but of nonsense that comes their way. Analytical brains possess the ability of critical thinking. Emotional brains do not. Both sides have their pluses and minuses. Unfortunately, those of us with analytical brains will forever be shaking our head in amazement at the crazy things emotional brains hold onto as fact. If it makes sense to them they believe it and nothing will change their minds. Obama’s birth certificate should have shown you that.
thecoffinnail – they found his birth certificate?
The prof is in the pooding
In this day and age, I’m shocked! lol
No debunking, but it depends what you think of a sample size of 200 baseballs. It does look like there were 3 different baseballs used last year and it was done on purpose based on the production dates of the balls collected.
https://www.insider.com/mlb-used-two-balls-again-this-year-and-evidence-points-to-a-third-2022-12
Padres are the new Guardians. Runners up to every top tier free agent.
I mean, I think they signed some pretty significant free agents in recent years.
Judge was always meant to be a Yankee
If the Padres are throwing that kind of cash around, they have to think Manny is opting out, they will try and unload Tatis, wouldnt afford Soto IF Trea or Judge came to town. They mortgaged their farm team with Soto trade….they needed to do something for 23-24.
They have playoff revenue to spend. It does seem like they have no interest in extending some of their guys like Soto…etc.
Yeah, why not offer Soto the 10 years and $400m if you’re going to spend that kind of money?
Where does it say that they won’t or wouldn’t do that too? Anyone? Nope.
The reason is that the Padres are still committed to extending Soto in 2 years when they need to and Machado has said wants to be a Padre for life and when his career ends wants a statue next to Tony Gwynn. That won’t happen if he is not willing to take an extension to stay.
Astros are the world champs. Do they have a lot of money tied up in free agents>
Looks like we know who the 22-23 Offseason “In On” Champions are. Congratulations to the San Diego Padres!
Preller is going to make a move. Rondon, Xander, or Nimmo is coming to SD.
Good take. I’m sure he will go to the bathroom eventually!
“Rodon” maybe?
Not likely I would take the field for all three.
I’m sure this is complete bs. Padres love to come out after a deal is done and say we offered X amount more.
He was never going there
Agreed…seems to be a pattern.
Wondering if the Manny, Tatis and Soto personalities are to much for some other players to deal with or feeling they wouldn’t grab as much attention that they feel they deserve.
Don’t you think that would mean they are dishonest and would have been called out for that by now? I doubt you’re onto anything here and no one has been able to refute it. Move along
Winter Meetings are living up to the hype!
SD should save that $ for a Soto extension.
Soto is not a FA until after the 2024 season. The Padres have time for that. do what you can to win now.
I bet they sign Correa and Rondon easy when they been flashing the cash Plus nothing more exciting to have Mehchado & Cheating Correa in SD to start a true rivlary
If I were Correa and as bad as he was booed in LA. What satisfaction it would be to dethrone the Dodgers we already know Mehchado was a cancer in LA .
Let them spend on that maybe that will light a fire on the Dodgers to keep up
Judge belongs a Yankee like Kershaw belongs a Dodger
Like Gwynn a Padre
Bob Nightengale is a buffoon. He is the least reliable “insider” in baseball yet people refer to his articles and tweets constantly. I highly doubt he knew about any offer if it even existed or not
Machado is going to opt out and Soto is going to FA after seeing that Judge K. They better start saving.
Perhaps seeing that trade deadline where they gutted their farm system only to finish with 87 wins is why mega stars are turning down more money. Something is wrong out there and while they made a run in the playoffs, which is always a crap shoot, the future looks bad with zero farm. Pads are plenty good now but that window is closing fast. Soto unquestionably tests the waters when contract is up. With two $300 million contracts in hand and likely needing $450 to even entertain Soto, what in the blazes are they doing??
$400M to live and San Diego and never get booed by your home fans >>>>> $360M to play for the Yankees
we boo because we care… we don’t go to games just to be seen by the paparazzi and show up in the 3rd inning and leave after the 6th to beat the traffic
That’s LA. Showing yet again that you really don’t know what you are talking about.
Padres are really putting out the “Hey, look, we tried!” Messages. “Hey, we didn’t get it, but look, we really, really tried!”
Machado has a opt out… I wouldn’t be surprised if they try to unload Tatis. He is always hurt plus PED stain. Why else would they go for Turner and Judge they offered both players more$$ so it’s weird. I think the ownership has soured on Tatis. They have no first baseman. Decent pitching. If Machado has a year like this one. He’s gone or they will have to pay him more. I just don’t know what they are doing
the Tatis PED is gonna kill this team, the only one that was worse than that one in recent history was when Jose Fernandez died and the Marlins dreams of a championship run did too and they sold the team and then sold off all the stars
You don’t really know much of anything about the Padres or baseball in general, do you?
Tatis is a Padre for 13 more seasons. He has a full NTC, so he decides where he will play. His PED use was short term and more stupidity than anything sinister.
The Padres were looking to lock up superstars on long term contracts that would keep them in SD for a decade or more. Does that sound like a team about ready to sell off anyone?
Tatis has a full no trade
Read my posts below. Tatis has full NTC. Machado wants to be Padre for life with a statue next to Tony.
Are they not going to extend Soto? Seems like they are trying to commit a lot of money elsewhere.
they went hard after Trea Turner and now Aaron Judge – probably trying to pull a Florida Marlins and try to buy a championship and then dismantle the team – trading Soto in a couple of years for prospects before he hits free agency, maybe the same with Machado before his opt out year
Machado can opt out after 2023 and Soto is a FA after 2024. .
Love the spending but seriously
Sure up the rotation
Sure up the pen
Sure up 1B and DH
Make sure you have good platoon options esp against lefties.
Putting together a balanced team with pitching is what will give them the best chance to win it all.
Shore up.
Shore thing
What the hell? As a long-time Padres fan this huge willingness to spend is very welcomed, But damn, why can’t they get anyone to sign? It’s kind of funny. Finally willing to spend but no one wants the money.
Well, this one was a long shot by any team, honestly, so I’d consider this offer an outlier. Judge obviously wanted to return to NYY. I don’t think this one can be chalked up to anything against SD. I believe this was simply Judge wanting to be a Yankee lifer.
This may have been more posturing than anything else. It shows the fans and players how serious they are about spending/committing to winning.
Don’t forget about Trea Turner. Padres offered him the most money as well and he turned them down.
Yes, good point. It does seem pattern-like but Turner has been clear about playing on the east coast for awhile according to most sources.
Again, I think this is isolated. Turner stands out a bit more to me but I still don’t perceive any anti-SD vibes. Judge is going to make up the extra $40 he was offered in endorsements with the Yankees multiple times over though.
They have plenty of cards left to play, man. I wouldn’t be too concerned yet. Beautiful stadium, young, exciting team, ownership willing to spend, and SD! What’s not to like?! They’ll attract players, no doubt.
Man, what an offseason for the Padres. Your crush won’t date you and neither will her friend. Reminds me of the NLCS.
Returned to the city that booed him of the field
California is a lost cause. Turner, Judge, Harper, Cole et. al. No one wants to go to San Diego or San Francisco. And they only go to the Dodgers because they throw around their filthy lucre.
You can bag on the Padres all you want but at least they’re in the hunt to get better. This is the team that handed the Dodgers their ass just a few months ago. If they can add impact players they will. Turner said no. Judge said no or at least that’s the rumors. But there’s still FAs out there and they’re still are going to contend in the NLW for awhile. I don’t see a lot of teams making any noise. The Mets. The Phillies. The Rangers. Judge will be a bust in a few years. Go Padres.
Padres still trying to buy a World Series.
The Padres will always come up short in every possible situation.
And the Dodgers aren’t? I was at the clinching game with Kershaw sad face. Without a 60 game season Dodgers can’t even buy a championship.
So, where is the Padres World Series ring.
That’s what I thought. The Padres will always come up short in every situation.
Unless they do what the Astros did. Cheat
To win a WS.
Number1dodger@ Still? What do you mean, still? They just got started. The way things work now the only way to win is to spend millions in the great MLB crapshoot. And you’re a Dodgers fan? You got your butt handed to you and now you’re sore.
I don’t see a WS coming out of San Diego yet. Do you? That’s what I thought.
The Padres will always come up short in every situation.
I guess the Padres aren’t happy with Juan Soto… already on the hook for Machado and Tatis they went hard after Trea Turner and now Aaron Judge – either of whom would make it pretty much impossible to also extend Soto
Manny will probably opt out next year..He’s got 5yrs/150m left..and assuming he has his usual year, would for sure top it on the open market.
I’m guessing they re-sign Soto, and go all in on Ohtani next offseason.
Manny will definitely opt out if the Padres don’t cut that off at the pass.
He has expressed since the season ended that he wants to be a Padre for life and previously said he wants to have a statue out next to Tony. Can’t do that if he signs elsewhere.
I think if the Padres offer him a 5 year extension around $165 million that he stays put in SD.
Considering where he lives, I would never want to leave. You should see his house in Coronado. This is the only article I could find on it and it doesn’t do it justice. https://www.dirt.com/gallery/athletes/sports-stars/manny-machado-house-coronado-1203350995/mannymachado_corn5/
Machado will opt out 100% unless he’s hurt this year. He’s just as good as Nolan and young still. I see him going to AL east again. Sox, yanks, or Toronto. He’s way more valuable than his contract
Did they think this was eBay?
But how much did they offer Arson Judge?
So maybe they now pivot and offer that to Juan Soto?
Soto turned down more years and more money from the Nationals.
I think that the Padres are waiting to see if Soto rebounds from a down 2022. That extension probably gets done mid-season since, amazingly enough, Boras has already said that Soto is open to negotiating during the season.
Soto just put his condo in Arlington Virginia up for sale for $3.5 million, so he isn’t planning on signing back there.
Dave Winfield is the one and only Yankee to ever wear a Padres cap into the HOF.
Can you imagine a lineup with Tatis, Cronenworth, Judge, Soto, Machado, etc. geez, that would have been something!
The bandwagon would be on par with the ‘95 Bulls. Lol.
In all honesty, it would probably inspire more kids to get back on the diamond though
Was this offer for Aaron Judge or Arson Judge?
Will Heyman ever live that tweet down?
It will live forever. He may put Arson in the back of his Jersey for one of those name your Jersey days going forward.
I glag the Giants didn’t sign
Soto says: que qué que?!!!
The Padres owner is the Arte Moreno of the NL.
Judge has friends in NY. Has a Life in NY. Him & His Wife. It’s party central. Things are happening. Living in a Skyrise. All of the Above. SF has none of that post Covid. Zero to offer as a Metropolitan. I know, I live here. And the Politics have ruined this cities reputation. Judge see SF has nothing he wants. And I doubt his wife wants to uproot her life as well and come out here and be a housewife and cater to his family from out of town. They have their own life out there. Tons of money fame fortune clubs restaurants celebrities. SF offers none of that.
Honestly I thought when I first heard free agent. No Way. Because I didn’t know he was from Linden. Still a stretch to me that he’s local, but I bought in. Especially as time went, Maybe he Does want to come here hell yeah let’s get him. On the end it makes sense. As a Yankee he fits in. As a Giant he’d be SF Baseball. And I don’t see that type of personality on his face. He needs to be Told what to do. Not lead a Charge. Not that type of guy. Talented. But that’s what I think. Not a lot of Leaders out there anymore.
Good Luck to Him. Farhan, will just have to do what you did with the A’s now. Tear it down. And build it Up. It worked with the Astros. Let’s do that instead.
Politics has nothing to do with this. Take your political agenda somewhere else, man. Also, NYC is as liberal as they come. You clearly don’t know about politics of other cities. lol.
He lives in Tampa you Knobs!!
He lives in the city during the season. Unlike other players, he actually lives in Manhattan during the season and not in the burbs.
What the heck is Preller and Seidler thinking? Get pitching, pitching, and more pitching, plus a 1B and lets cal it a day.
The Padres are loco.
The Padres have money they just don’t know how to spend it. You can’t build a team by throwing money at every big name free agent. You can smell the desperation coming out of San Diego.
So you’re mad because a team offered a really good baseball player a large contract offer? What makes you happy?
Having a number greater than zero of homegrown All Stars on the roster?
I’m not mad it’s an observation and an accurate one at that. The only people who don’t realize how desperate the Padres are would be their fans. If you’re okay with your team begging out on the street corner for players, throwing money at everyone in sight then so be it that’s your right but they come off as pathetic. What will be even more pathetic is when they come up short again. You can’t just sign a bunch of players and expect to win.
The Padres could afford either, so look at what the lineup would have looked like if they signed either. That is not desperation, that is domination.
1B – Cronenworth Or Cronenworth
2B – Turner or Kim
SS – Kim or Tatis
3B – Machado or Machado
LF – Tatis or Grisham
CF – Grisham or Judge
RF – Soto or Soto
C – Nola/Campy or Nola/Campy
Either way its 6 positions at 4+ bWAR and every position at league average or better. That is insanely good.
There was no written offer as they met last night, but approximations were discussed and the verbal offer was more than the Yankees or Giants offered. I’d guess maybe a 10/380. He’d have also received more from the Giants if he went back and gave assurances he was their team if he met a final price. He didn’t do that because he knew the Yankees were the team. He didn’t reject the Giants or the Padres. He simply went where he wanted to go.
Screw these luxury tax penalties. PA, have some guys on that for the next cba
Rosenthal calling Nightengale a liar. Nice.