Talks between the Twins and Carlos Correa “have begun to accelerate,” report Dan Hayes and Ken Rosenthal of the Athletic. Minnesota rejoined the bidding late last week as talks between Correa’s camp and the Mets continued to drag on after New York had expressed concerns regarding his physical.
Rosenthal and Hayes reiterate that the Mets are not necessarily out of the bidding. The Athletic characterizes discussions as “fluid.” It’s the firmest indication yet, however, that Correa to the Mets no longer appears an inevitability. Minnesota seems very much back in the mix.
The Twins have maintained all offseason they hoped to retain the two-time All-Star after his season in the Twin Cities. There always seemed a strong possibility Correa would opt out of his three-year, $105.3MM pact after one season and land a more significant guarantee elsewhere. That has appeared to be the case on multiple occasions this offseason. The Twins reportedly put forth a ten-year, $285MM offer in December that fell well shy of the 13-year, $350MM pact to which Correa agreed with the Giants.
Of course, the Giants deal fell through after San Francisco’s medical professionals raised concerns about Correa’s right leg. He’d fractured his leg as a prospect back in 2014, requiring surgery that ended that season. Correa returned at the start of the next year and has never had an injured list stint related to his leg as an MLB player. Giants medical staffers raised some questions about its long-term sustainability, however, and the agreement was called off on the eve of the introductory press conference.
Correa and agent Scott Boras immediately pivoted to the Mets, agreeing to terms on a new 12-year, $315MM pact. That contract was also contingent on a physical, of course. New York’s doctors similarly took issue with Correa’s right leg, and the saga took another stunning twist.
Unlike after the collapse of the San Francisco deal, Correa’s camp didn’t immediately pivot to other teams. They negotiated exclusively with the Mets for roughly two weeks (presumably in part delayed by the holiday season). Reports suggested New York was intent on instituting some injury protection in the contract, likely via a clause that’d reduce the club’s financial hit and/or allow them to get out of a certain portion of the deal if Correa missed significant time because of a right leg injury.
Those talks seemingly hit a snag, and Boras reengaged with at least Minnesota last week. Andy Martino of SNY reported at the time that Mets brass was growing increasingly frustrated with discussions and had given some consideration to walking away from the deal entirely. There’s no indication they’ve done so, but Minnesota is again involved.
The Twins will have their own concerns regarding Correa’s physical condition, to be sure. Correa passed a physical to sign his first contract with Minnesota last spring, but it’s possible the organization will evaluate things differently if looking at a commitment nearing or topping a decade in length than they did for a three-year guarantee. Correa spent the season in Minnesota but didn’t seem to undergo a significant medical evaluation after his initial physical, aside from imaging on a bruised finger suffered in May. Hayes and Rosenthal write that Correa didn’t appear in the Minnesota training room at any point in the season after returning from his finger issue.
While that’s not all that surprising, it’s notable considering Correa had a late-September scare with his right leg. He spent some time on the ground after sliding into a base and then limped off the field. He remained in the game and didn’t miss any time, but he acknowledged after the contest he had felt some numbness and vibration in the leg, which he noted contained a metal plate that was put in during his 2014 surgery.
SODOMOJO
I haven’t been this annoyed at a sports story since Brett Favre summer 2008
Sign here, sign there, I don’t care! Get it over with
CaptainJudge99
BREAKING NEWS: All injured free agents sign with the Twinkies, since they will pass all failed physicals.
GASoxFan
Wasn’t it just this afternoon SI and some outlets were running stories saying ‘sources close to correa say talks with Mets picking up, finalized language in sight?’
dugmet
Carlos Baerga has been out in front of many signings this winter and claims an agreement with the Mets will be posted Tuesday PM.
phantomofdb
@captainjudge99 loser
SODOMOJO
“The Bret Hart” contract 20 years 500k a year
LosPobres1904
Is he still getting paid?
Kayrall
What are you talking about? This drama is quite entertaining.
SODOMOJO
Not from my soapbox. Lol
LordD99
Not yet. There are still twenty-seven other teams to get involved.
texasfury93
26. Astros won’t touch that
FSF
Nobody is forcing you to follow. And yet here you are.
SODOMOJO
“How dare you express your opinion on this baseball story; on a baseball article comment section?!?!?”
-FSF
ps it’s all just a little fun banter bud. Lighten up
Deadguy
His value just keeps getting lower and lower? Very interesting? Wonder if Carlos is blowing fuses behind the scenes? Can we get MTV or Vh1 to do a behind the scenes look into how Carlos is doing?
This one belongs to the Reds
Boras is just putting sh…tuff out there hoping he will put pressure on the Mets. If I were them, and they aren’t willing to put injury language in the contract, I’d say fine, go elsewhere.
The Mets don’t really need him. Baty is a good prospect and they have a veteran 3B already.
Redwolves3
At this point I could care less where Correa signs just so it’s not with Giants.
Should Twins re-sign Correa the contract definitely needs to be team friendly. Any contract beyond 5 years, $175M, injury clause, play 3B to protect Correa’s leg, and maybe opt-outs (for both Correa and Twins) is an overpay knowing the risks Correa brings.
It’s unfortunate Correa’s past leg injury has created so much concern but the reality is it’s about business and the risks any team may be taking. “Buyer Beware!”
IamThatDude
With bad Dr reports still gonna get millions lol
em650r
What leg injury says the doctor
mrperkins
Picturing Dr Nick from the Simpson saying that
CaptainJudge99
@em65or- Probably 3rd leg? Who really knows?
rememberthecoop
ha good one cap that’s what I was thinking too…
BuyBuyMets
So the “plate” in Correa’s “leg” is really a Prince Albert?
CaptainJudge99
Star Tribune- so Mr. Taint has taken his talents, and his bad leg back to Minnesota “for a thumbs up physical.” Good for him and the Twinkies, it’s certainly a match made in heaven.
em650r
Called this weeks ago about going back to the twins. He’s going to get a new one year deal and wait for a multi year contract next season.
Jimbo_Jones
@em650r I’m sure his medicals will be different next season. Gawd
Milwaukee-2208
Lmao he doesn’t even wanna be there. This is like taking the fat girl to the prom after being rejected by 2 cheerleaders.
CaptainJudge99
Starting to think with the Twinkies and Taint Correa is was love at lst sight?
rememberthecoop
Hey Cap, maybe he figures if he’s a twin, he can sign in both places!
CaptainJudge99
@rememberthecoop- how can anybody like or root for “this soap on a rope?”
rememberthecoop
I don’t know Cap. I just don’t know.
vikingbluejay67
This comment is not getting enough love.
CaptainJudge99
So those with bad health, and that are injured it’s either Minnesota or bust.
Ronk325
At least you can count on the fat girl putting out at the end of the night
Milwaukee-2208
As long as you promise her cheesecake
CaptainJudge99
I guess you can say Correa’s love for Minnesota is “wrapped up into a twinkie”
rememberthecoop
ha yeah Cap – that cellophane wrapping would survive a near blaat!!
rememberthecoop
a “nuclear blast” is what it was supposed to say…
CaptainJudge99
Front page article, nuked in Minnesota yet again. I wouldn’t want that guy on my favorite team for 10 years, he’s disrespectful and knocks Hall OF Fame Players. This guy is the worst.
breckdog
I wonder about correas plans. Does he take a one year make good deal? Does he take that deal then get a repair or clean up of the injured leg then come back and play his way to a trade and set up a multi year contract next year? You would think if a guy was worth 30 million a year they would just get him healthy and sign him to multiple years already. That is what has me worried, What exactly did the physical show that scared them off a premium bat that plays short?
GASoxFan
Years of experience, and, looking at the price tag. You’re paying a premium to get defense at short, which, requires range and lots of movement running around the diamond.
If you get an arthritic joint, or, start having ligament trouble, losing one step in reaction on each ball in play means more hits, less efficiently covered bases, more missed time… and means you’re getting 6m in production out of your 30m player, who, you not can’t move in a trade because of the years he is tied up.
There’s no ‘get him right’ it’s just a question of how long he can contribute at a given level as the wear has a greater and greater effect.
Moneyballer
Oh screw that! Twins are not that at all! He had a great time in Minnesota, he just has a very greedy agent looking for the most money!
Blue Baron
@Moneyballer: One man’s greedy is another’s due diligence.
stymeedone
@milwaukee-2208
Are you trying to imply that he wanted to play for the Giants or Mets? If he wanted to be a Giant, he would have continued to negotiate, but he pivoted immediately to another team. All he has to do to be a Met is allow a clause that protects them from that exact pre-existing condition.
Correa cares about the money. Whoever signs him will find out quickly that he feels he should have been paid more.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
What’s the record for most contracts signed by a player in a single offseason?
phenomenalajs
Well, he didn’t sign any contracts yet. These are agreements in principle pending physical.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Well then, I change my question to agreements – nothing on the internet that answers my question
rememberthecoop
C’mon , you understood what he meant Pheno
phenomenalajs
I got it, but I’m curious about my version. Is it possible to get out of a contract after it’s signed if additional info from medicals comes out later?
BaseballisLife
No.
Krujo
You get a Correa and You get a Correa and You het a Correa…
Jaysfan1981
Jays need to get in on this at a 3 year high high high AAV with opt outs.
Reunite him and Springer, move Bo to 2nd
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
How high?
rememberthecoop
At least 35M per…
darkstar61
So high that I can kiss the sky
rememberthecoop
“excuse me while I kiss the sky” Jimi was great!!
Jaysfan1981
How sick?
darkstar61
So sick that you can suck my…
Jaysfan1981
Look up in the sky, it’s a bird it’s a plane
itsgonnahappen
High!!! 35-38mm per with opt outs looks like a game changer for BJs
amanateeamongmen
Imagine leaving $285M on the table to chase $330M. Least likeable guy in the game.
saluelthpops
Imagine offering $285M, get rejected by the guy who wants to chase the $330M, then the guy comes groveling back and you actually listen.
tesseract
Not sure why. But he’ll probably beat that $285M with the same team and two less potential suitors
candymaldonado
Lots of reasons to dislike Correa. Very confused as to why “he looked to make more money” is one of them.
Cardsfan21
I’m with you Candy. I hate the dude for cheating. But I don’t blame him for chasing 40 MILLION MORE dollars. No one on here (myself included) can guarantee that they would turn that down for some unexplainable “loyalty” to a team he played for a single year.
Hate the guy because he helped turn a World Series trophy into an asterisk, not because he took a higher offer to play the same game
avenger65
He probably wishes he had never opted out. He would be going into his second season of making $35m. He took a gamble and now it seems he’ll be making $7-8m less no matter if he signs with the Twins or the Mets.
BaseballisLife
$65 million more. $350 million was the offer from the Giants.
ctbronx7
That Giants offer was contingent on passing a physical.
But after the SF doctors didn’t give their approval…
jjd002
That’s rich coming from a Cardinals fan. The team that defined the steroid era and also had an employee hack another team’s system.
drasco036
I can only imagine you at 22, being the model of moral standard.
Have you, or anyone else who bashes Correa for the Astros cheating, even thought about what it would have been like for Correa? Here is a guy in his second full season, listening to a future Hall of Famer address the entire team about a way to steal signs. Keep in mind that pretty much the entire organization was in on this, it takes a village to raise a child, it takes an organization to hide a camera, run a video feed, install a monitor in the dugout (hall to the dugout), steal and signal signs. Imagine the peer pressure, imagine telling Carlos Beltran no, that isn’t right. Etc etc.
I don’t hate Correa for cheating, after it was brought to light he wore it and simply said now we have to prove the doubters wrong. Who I “hate” (more so lack respect for) is Gurriel for making a racist gesture at Darvish after hitting a home run on a pitch that was stolen, Bregman for running his mouth after the World Series about how great they were and then refusing to address the cheating. Altuve for being the “leader” first implying he didn’t cheat until some YouTuber found evidence of signaling during his at bats. And everyone else ran and hid.
What I don’t hate or lose respect for is a 22 year old kid who got wrapped up in an organizational supported cheating scandal.
Cardsfan21
Ha, we “defined the steroid era”, because one of our guys doped? Yes, McGwire made an asterisk out of arguably the most coveted record in sports. And do some research on the spy gate stuff. One front office employee was implicated in hacking his former bosses password. Far cry from an entire team coordinating a cheating scheme using technology.
Obviously I’m biased, I admit that. But the main difference I’ve seen is I didn’t hear any of our fans vilifying the person who caught us or making excuses. Our team messed up and was punished. But you have to admit hacking into scouting notes (and having that person actually get punished with prison time) is a bit different than an entire team cheating and not getting anything but a phony World Series ring for their work.
jjd002
A lot more than just McGwire were juicing up on the 90’s/00’s cardinals teams.
Cardsfan21
And only members of the Cardinals during that time, right?
BaseballisLife
Drasco, that is exactly how I feel about Correa. Do I hate that the team cheated? Of course. Do I hate the team leaders like Beltran that orchestrated the scheme? You bet. Do I blame a 22 year old Correa? Not in the least. He was one of the few that owned up to it while the rest of the team said but, but, but…
drasco036
Exactly… Correa maned up and showed maturity far beyond his year (imo) when he took the spotlight on the cheating scandal when everyone else refused to talk or acknowledge anything.
Not to mention, Correa by all accounts is a solid guy. Gives tons of money to charity and is active in the community.
I did a little read up on Correa last year when people were bashing him, when he was either a prospect or just got called up, the Astros were in Seattle and a kid wearing an Astros hat was asking for autographs. Correa engaged in a conversation with the fan while waiting to taking bp, then signed his bat and gave it to him after. It’s a small gesture for a player but I’ve seen career minor leaguers blow off kids asking for autographs and here is one of the top prospects in the league chatting with a young fan. To me… that deserves my respect.
drasco036
It’s funny, Sosa, McGwire and Bonds were vilified for Seligs decision to use a juiced ball.
I have no reason not to believe Canseco saying McGwire juiced in Oakland… what turned a 40-50 home run hitter into a 70 home run hitter? MLBs live ball…. Not steroids. But Selig sure as heck is in the hall of fame isn’t he?
jjd002
Bauer would like a word with you. Josh Donaldson would also like a word.
Seamaholic
Every single player in the history of players does that
Cohens_Wallet
@ aman
Soto rejecting a 440 million dollar contract?
Cohens_Wallet
@aman
Soto leaving 440 million on the table?
rct
Yeah, how dare he chase an extra $45 million.
Crazy what people will complain about.
Roguesaw2
Whatever happed to “Show me the money!!!”?
BaseballisLife
You would take $285 million over $350 million? Least intelligent guy on the board.
flamingbagofpoop
He didn’t get $350 million (yet). That’s the point. Why is common sense so hard for you?
smuzqwpdmx
Imagine leaving $45,000,000 in the pockets of a baseball team owner that you could’ve taken and put to use on philanthropic projects to improve the world.
If you want to criticize Correa it should be for how he uses the money, not what he earns.
toomanyblacksinbaseball
A Minnesota hockey player who had a nice pro career paid for a new indoor rink for his hometown in a remote part of the state.
HawaiiPhil2020
I rarely say this but WTG Mets. Cohen seems to have ice in his negotiating veins
CarverAndrews
@Hawaii Phil – Considering that my strong preference is to have Cohen quickly morph into a Wilponian ownership situation (as a Phils fan) it makes me nervous to see him act rationally.
Then again, at least Correa would be out of NY. Despite everything and all of the deal discussions, he would make them a better team in the near term for sure.
Moneyballer
They never should have tried to sign him in the first place! They don’t have a need at shortstop and their payroll is already the highest in baseball. Not only would they be paying 315 million for this guy but they will be taxed at 90% making the deal even more of a risk. If he gets hurts without any recourse it’s like flushing HALF A BILLION down the drain. Mets are foolish for even considering this deal.
Cardsfan21
It would only be flushing it down the drain if they would make zero dollars by not winning a WS. Something tells me Cohen is “probably” a better businessman than you, me, or anyone on this site.
Jimbo_Jones
Pending a physical lol
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
This is why you are supposed to farm players instead of trying to buy them. If only Kipp F/a/g//////g weren’t the Rangers’ farm director (it censors the last name), they may have a chance to develop actual players. I’m not too sure how bad the Twins are, though.
pohle
funny coming from a rangers fan
CaptainJudge99
If the Twinkies give this taint more then a 1 year contract they need their heads examined ASAP. They would be bidding against themselves, since nobody really wants this dope.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Judge >>> Jeter?
GareBear
By a single season standard, yes. But Judge needs a lot more longevity to be a HoFer like Jeter. Doubt Judge ever sniffs 3,000 hits or Jeter’s career WAR. But, when all is said and done, I do think he’ll be Hall worthy
Dustyslambchops23
What a huge risk for a team like the twins to sink 25% of their payroll in to CC.
If the money bag Mets aren’t willing this could be a huge misstep by a smaller market team
avenger65
The Twins had no problem with Correa this season
The physical they gave him apparently wasn’t as thorough as the Giants and Mets, but it didn’t matter because he played well for them. The Twins should have no problem with signing him based on this season.
rct
Yep. I’m a Mets fan, and while I wouldn’t shed a tear if he ends up signing elsewhere, I hope he doesn’t sign that huge deal with the Twins. Would severely limit their spending in other areas. If the Twins do get him, I hope it’s for a shorter deal.
BaseballisLife
They paid him $35 million last season. The Twins are not a small market team. 12th largest TV market. 13th largest population.
Dustyslambchops23
I don’t think your counting the double team
cities in your numbers.
But anyways In the last 20 years twins have been a top 10 payroll team only twice (2010,2011, 9th, 10th respectively) but overall they have been in the 18-20th in payroll. Those are the only two years they cracked the top 10 in attendance, more consistently they are bottom ten.
Maybe they aren’t a small market team to you but they sure act like one.
BaseballisLife
They don’t recieve revenue sharing. They don’t get a CB draft pick. They are not a small market team.
If the owner chose to pockets tens of millions every year instead of spending on players, that doesn’t change the fact that they are not a small market team.
Jaysfan1981
I don’t understand why STL is considered small market and require revenue sharing and comp picks when the Jays aren’t, but the Jays operate in a different country,get treated like 2nd class fans and bring in alot of revenue in a currency that’s not on par or even 3/4
Some things just are what they are. And we won’t ever change them. But if u understand what it is and work around it you too can succeed!!
twins33
Umm, the Twins have been receiving competitive balance picks since 2017. Rooker was a 2017 CB pick. They lost their CB pick in 2018 because they signed Lynn. Wallner was 2019 CB pick. 2020 traded CB pick to Dodgers. 2021 CB pick was Miller. 2022 was Schobel. In 2023, they will pick in round A.
I agree with you that they are not small market though. Their market size is mid-market, which tends to be where the payroll lands under this front office.
Amanda17
Boston should sign him to a deal no longer than 3 years when our SS of the minors will be ready, have clauses if hes hurt and see what happens, if she gets hurt/cant play, DFA him, nothing to loose, then let him plat out the contract, be a free agent after 2025 and get a long term deal for the rest of his career, oh oh ya, THE RED SOX DONT HAVE A SHORTSTOP.
Dustyslambchops23
Did Trevor Story retire ?
FenwayFanatic
Trevor Story has noodle arm. He can’t throw form short to first.
rememberthecoop
Then how did he do it all those years in Colorado?
Seamaholic
He’s one of the best defensive SS in the game
BaseballisLife
He was one of the best defensive SS. Then he hurt his arm. Now he can barely get the ball from 2B to 1B.
FenwayFanatic
It’s a new development from an injury he had in his last season there.
YankeesBleacherCreature
That still doesn’t address the volatile RS rotation.
FenwayFanatic
The Red Sox need to trade Ceddanne Rafaela and a Jarren Duran type to the Marlins for Edward Cabrera.
Jaysfan1981
Well immediately you assumed Correa’s gender and referred to them as She, how dare you !!
Real talk tho. Correa could go to Boston for like 40 million next year then opt out……
But after being stuck in purgatory that is Minnesota, the unofficial semi Canadian state.
Might as well come to the real great white North (which is more south than alot of the northern US) and play for TO and actually make his 40 million but make the playoffs and actually have a chance at a WS this year
Amanda17
atleast he will be a reason to care about them
VonPurpleHayes
Twins make the most sense IMO. Correa belongs at short. And he can keep Buxton company when they’re both on the IL together. Seriously though, I’d like to see talent spread out to other teams. So I’m enjoying this fiasco.
nymsuperfan
twitter.com/carellijawn/status/1612658179695079425
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
He tackled Boras onto a bed??? Sounds absurd, but investigate him and suspend him for 324 games! Rage!!!
stymeedone
He wasn’t excited about the team, he was excited about the money!
nymsuperfan
This shows how that headline is clickbait.
candymaldonado
Sounds like a Boras leak to me.
Seamaholic
The article says the info comes from the Mets
chemfinancing
Well i would be all for it. Correa is a great player.
CaptainJudge99
@Drake- What you really meant to say Correa is a “injured player” Gotcha-
chemfinancing
No I didn’t!
5TUNT1N
Hopefully these are the final posturing stages , and this deal will be done soon enough. I think we can all honestly say it’s been exciting but needs to come to an end relatively soon!
nymsuperfan
Unfortunately, Rosenthal pulled a clickbait. Look at the article. It says that basically Mets and Twins remain.
VonPurpleHayes
While there is definitely agent posturing, the Twins interest is legit. Perhaps the Twins are just being used to up the Mets offer, but honestly, Correa seems more interested in taking the better deal. I don’t even think the appeal of playing in NY with Lindor will sway him from taking the best offer.
5TUNT1N
I don’t fully disagree with you but if he was so willing to take the better deal he would’ve negotiated longer with SF unless their first offer was just so low. But no he pivoted for less money and years for a more competitive team some would think that is less competitive deal in comparison. To each their own of course.
VonPurpleHayes
Good point. The Mets original offer was lower than the Giants, but in the same range. My thinking is that Correa has no interest settling for whatever the Mets new offer is, but only time will tell. I still expect him to land in NY.
stymeedone
He swung to the next best offer because he didn’t want a clause that hinted the team could get out of the deal. When he failed the 2nd physical, it labeled him damaged goods, so he and Boras had no choice but to stay and “negotiate.”
Now that they have given the impression that they tried. He will now pivot to the third best offer. It very apparent that the team is of little importance in his decision. If he really wants to play for a specific team, he would give them a clause protecting them from his pre-existing condition. That would end this drama.
JayRyder
HA, Boras trying to leverage again. Foolish Twins to Overpay to bring this guy back. If they’re smart, they leverage Boras again and say – Hey What’s With This Physical ? Really screwing with Boras, as he has done to many teams for many years.
Seamaholic
Story comes from the Mets not Boras. Read it. It’s in the first sentence.
VonPurpleHayes
One of the takeaways from all this drama is how leaky the Mets FO is.
phenomenalajs
Please, Heyman is on Boras’ payroll.
stymeedone
Teams spin things too.
cadagan
Comments from fans talking about their teams easily giving short term contract for CC. Im not sure its realistic. What does a short term contract even look like. 2 years 100 mil?
To be worth it for him with vs these long term contracts.
Fwiw. My money is the twins being played as leverage.
jjd002
And many more teams involved when is a short contract with a high yearly average.
VonPurpleHayes
And no one is outbidding the Mets in a short-term deal. He obviously wants a long deal.
avenger65
Just like Judge did with the Giants and Dodgers.
Cleon Jones
Surprising if true. Twins dont strike me as reckless or stupid when it comes to free agents. This us potentially both.
benhen77
Guessing shorter term, higher AAV. FO sees value in injury-prone players, especially when they come at a discount.
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Every other “top story” has been a signing or executive promotion. How is this still a top story? He’s not that big a deal. I mean, he would be if this weren’t the norm a few times a week.
Amanda17
Storys our second baseman not short stop, why does NOBODY get that?
Seamaholic
Because he’s your shortstop. That’s his position, and he’s great at it. You seem to be the outlier here dude.
BaseballisLife
You are so observant. Story has played how many games at SS for the Red Sox. When he signed what position did they say he was signed to play? What has been the velocity on his throws the last 2 seasons? How does that compare to actual shortstops around the league? Lastly, what is the screen name of the person you are responding too?
settledownitsjustagame
Perhaps teams should have physicals done prior to handing out contracts.
VonPurpleHayes
They do. Correa never signed a contract in SF or NY.
BucksPackersBrewersWow!
Pass your physical, physical
Pass your physical
Let’s pass your physical
Let me hear your trash cans bang, trash cans bang
Let me hear your trash cans bang
Gwynning
Sung by Correvia Newton John
BucksPackersBrewersWow!
I won’t even try singing “Xanadon’t Sign Corrrea”
Gwynning
It’s karaoke night and you got the mic, let’s hear it!
phenomenalajs
May her memory be a blessing.
10centBeerNight
And around and around we go. Oh brother with this saga. Sucking up all the oxygen
johndietz
The Twins offered a better AAV anyway!! He’d be making $20m more in the first 10 years of either of those other 2 offers
phenomenalajs
That’s assuming that deal is still on the table.
ShoelessJoeHallofFame
This Correa situation is obviously far from any norm at this point. If I were an interested team I would demand a physical BEFORE the contract offer. Boras and Correa don’t have the leverage at this point. Why would you give them any if you were the Twins or any other team?
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
But, all contracts are pending a physical, so it’s hardly effective besides social reactions.
VonPurpleHayes
There’s misconception that Correa actually signed contracts. All contracts are pending a physical. So Correa never had an official contract in SF or NY.
BaseballisLife
They can’t. Little thing called a collective bargaining agreement. Oh, and the federal labor laws that govern those agreements.
jacl
This whole thing is absurd. It’s been 8 years now. Anyone can break a bone at any time. I think teams are pretending to be worried to drive down his asking price while letting their fan base believe they tried to sign him but they didn’t because of medical concerns.
VonPurpleHayes
He had an issue with his leg last season. In fact, he stopped attempting to steal bases after the scare. His speed took a significant hint as well. Not enough people are discussing it, but obviously it’s an issue if the physicals are an issue.
BaseballisLife
The “scare” happened in late September on his first and only steal attempt of the year. A botched hit and run.
Seamaholic
No the minute you put a plate in your bone and it “vibrates” (which you can see on the x-rays and/or MRI) you’re talking very elevated risk of debilitating arthritis in a few years. Very few. The risk is not catastrophic failure.
Roguesaw2
Can they just replace the plate?
BaseballisLife
I’ve had a plate in my leg since 1991. I’ve had it rung up dozens of times over the years. I qualified to run the Miami marathon on Jan 29th this year. It doesn’t automatically lead to arthritis Dr Seam.
Cardsfan21
He said elevated risk, not automatic. And that’s enough when considering someone else is gambling 315 million dollars over a decade of possibility.
Viveleempireevil
Boras using some World Poker Tour type BS with Steve Cohen ain’t gonna work. Dude’s got a bum leg. Unless he comes down to a 4 or 5 year deal…then he can go play in MN or Oakland. And teach them all about the benefits of trash cans.
brucenewton
The Twins pulled their initial offer one would hope.
nitnontu
Wonder if Correa regrets saying anything about his leg or plate “vibrating” as a result of that sliding incident.
VonPurpleHayes
100%. But interestingly, since that incident, he attempted to steal 0 bases. I think it’s a problem.
BaseballisLife
He had attempted exactly zero before that day in late September last season.
BStrowman
Von—
You’re really spreading some bad info here. He’s attempted 2 steals from 2019-2022. He’s only attempted 8 steals if you go all the way back to 2017.
He hasn’t stolen bases in a long time. You gotta squash that.
VonPurpleHayes
Fair enough. He was never a high speed guy, but my takeaway is that the injury definitely scared him at least.
BStrowman
Perhaps he is. but when he’s only attempted to swipe 2 bases in 4 years. I don’t think you can say that he’s scared because he didn’t try.
A perfectly healthy Correa wasn’t going to try to steal a base based on that data. He’s attempted to steal a base once every 2 years on average.
99socalfrc
LOL at Boras & Correa. Let’s not forget that this guy couldn’t get anyone to offer him a bag last offseason.
I suspect the Mets planned to jerk them around from the moment the Giants backed out. Why shouldn’t they, they are only bidding against themselves at this point. Correa chose to wait out the market, this is what you get
BaseballisLife
What are you talking about? He got the highest AAV of any infielder in MLB history last offseason.
twins33
They meant a long term contract. He wanted a long term contract last year and no one offered one to his liking so he took the short Twins deal.
BaseballisLife
His old agents were asking for 10/365. Then there was a 3 month lockout while the CBA was being negotiated. During the lockout he fired his old agent and hired Boras. When the lockout ended he had a deal with the Twins 3 days later and iirc, on the day spring training opened.
99socalfrc
There were plenty of deals done last off season, Corey Seager got $325m, Trevor Story, Javy Baez, Kris Bryant, Castellanos, Schwarber, Scherzer Freddie Freeman got paid even after the lockout.
This year stupid money has been passed out and yet still here Correa sits. Clearly either this guy is damaged goods or he just thinks way too highly of himself. My guess is he thinks for some reason he is moons better than Seager,, Turner, Bogearts, etc that he wasn’t wiling to take the money teams were offering those guys. Somehow two off seasons have now passed with all the money drying up and he still doesn’t have a long term deal. Whatever it is something is going on, too much of a pattern to ignore.
jakec77
Unless it’s another short term deal, it really makes no sense.
If two clubs that are better positioned to take the hit of a bad contract both passed on this guy due to his medicals, how can the Twins possibly be confident enough to go ahead?
CardsFan57
Are you kidding me? I just read that it was certain Correa was signing with the Mets. Ya’ll get back to me when the contracts are signed and guaranteed.
TrillionaireTeamOperator
Going back to your ex because the hot new hook up wasn’t into your true quirks when things got really intimate. The devil you know, etc.
I bet it’s for like 2 years/$75M and he will swear it was the situation he truly wanted this whole time.
BuyBuyMets
The Twins floundered with Correa last year and little else has been done to improve the team.
Why tie up 1/4 of your payroll long term on a guy who can’t pass a physical?
Seamaholic
Because they’re betting he will play well and stay healthy long enough for them to trade him and get some value.
phenomenalajs
I’m sure he’ll have a no-trade clause after all of this, so that can’t be the plan.
Logjammer D"Baggagecling
Correa went from Top FA SS to this winter, which is a fustercluck
Just sign with all 3 Giants/Mets/Twins. 11 years 315mil. Roshambo to see who gets the 2 extra years. Best 4 out of 7. The most losing team will get the blunt of the deal and ger his oldee year.
Roahambo to see who gets him for the first 3 years.
kmar970
This is worse then the lebron decision smh. Mets r fine either way but I’ll take Correa at third most definitely and if it’s between Mets n twins he’ll sign with New York because why would he want to play in Minnesota no offense
Giant Willy
Nah, they’re not fine’either way. Even Cohen says they NEED him, that they stand ZERO chance of winning anything without him
stymeedone
Its so cute that you think its the team and not the money! Did your parents tell you about the tooth fairy yet?
kmar970
Lfgm
Poster formerly known as . . .
“They negotiated exclusively with the Mets for roughly two weeks (presumably in part delayed by the holiday season).”
Boras observes a double holiday on December 23, the anniversary of the Seitz decision that eliminated the reserve clause, in conjunction with Festivus, which falls on the same date.
Jdt8312
But if you go to Carlos Baerga’s Twitter, he says the Mets and Correa have come to terms, and are awaiting MLBPA to approve the updated language.
twins33
Possibly true. I do believe he will be a Met, but Carlos Baerga also said Judge was going to the Giants and Correa was going to the Twins (pre-SF agreement).
He’s been right a couple times but he’s also been wrong at least twice, though I think it’s been more than twice. I just can’t think off the top of my head right now.
FenwayFanatic
He was right about the Devers extension
twins33
Yes, Devers is one of the ones I meant that he got right. The thing about Baerga’s post is that it is an almost word for word copy of some guy on Twitter named John Mincone, who posted it about an hour or so before Baerga did.
Again, I think Correa is a Met, so I’m not disregarding the info, but Baerga isn’t the first one to report. Mincone was. He appears to be a former MILB player. Just pointing out that Baerga hasn’t nailed everything this off-season.
Giant Willy
It was reported once that Judge had signed with the Giants too…
In Seager/Hader We Trust > the 70 MM DH Ohtani
Arson Judge?
phenomenalajs
What about the tweets from Jim Bowden and Steve Phillips that they had it on good authority that Correa was finally signing with the Mets?
hopper15
It’s clear Steve Phillips has no clue what’s going on with this deal. Earlier today on MLB Network I saw him say the Mets don’t want to announce the deal because of the college football national title game today. That gave me a pretty good laugh.
Roguesaw2
I dont think Steve had a clue what was going on with the Mets when he ran them…
iBleeedBlue
Did Rob Manfred hire Vince Russo? MLB = WWE
Colavito
This is where the Commissioner should step in and ban him for receiving stolen property…the 2017 World Series ring….better late than never, right?
phieralph
Wtf is happening
LosPobres1904
WOAH!!!
Giant Willy
Lol. I figure Correa’s agreement with the Mets is about as good as his agreement with the Giants
Whyme
Twins offer him the same deal as last year lol.
Devlsh
I almost wish we had a thread where we could all guess what he eventually gets.
I’ll say, 5/$125M, with vesting options that add a year to the contract after years three and four if he doesn’t lose more than 30 days to a lower leg injury, for a total potential package of 7/$175M., maybe with an opt out tossed in to allow him to brave the market again if he shows he’s healthy.
I suspect Boras will get him more, but I certainly wouldn’t want to be the club that guarantees him any more than the above. Whether he likes it or not, he’s damaged goods, and he’s not getting anyone to give him a 10 year deal.
WAR_OVERRATED
Highest (one year) paid SS in History…
Yeah!
Good for over 120 strikeouts.
Only 22 hr, 24 doubles and 60 rbis.
Only 470 tc and 50 double plays in 1113 innings. Luck? Everything is about it these days. Can you hit a ball three times in one swing? Carlos “Showrrea not the Captain – Show me the Money” Correa, may one day too.
He’s an good player and has below average range playing SS and declining.
WAR fans hate Average but the WAR formula has included many average and mysterious factor$ to advertise players who only provides free advertising to the game – good or bad. The penalty or bonus per position is absurd to say the least. A hr or rbi will have the same in game value, regardless of the position played in the game. The comparison to a league average is only good for doctor appointment waiting room information, since a players must be compared to himself for salary negotiations. A Salary is not shared with other league players.
CC is just another Jason Heyward in the making. CC will have another down year in 2023. Mediocre defensive range and a lot of strikeouts, since we all know – he is a fastball hitter only. A player only see fastballs if he is well protected in a line up. He is not in Houston anymore.
stymeedone
Any team that signs him short term risks him missing time getting the problem surgically repaired so he can get a bigger deal next contract.
Cardsfan21
I hate Correa but if he were to pull off some absolutely gangsta s*** like that, I’d have to tip my hat to him.
toomanyblacksinbaseball
Minnesota income tax is high. Twin Cities property taxes are high.
benhen77
Not Heyman reporting this time. Twins might actually happen.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
See, after several big market teams pass on them, small market teams can still sign star players.
Parity, right?
Hard to figure out which has has gotten worse, the game or the league. Both are utter garbage compared to previous highs. It’s a shame.
CKinSTL
I guess most people measure parity by the ability to compete for a playoff spot and a championship – not thr ability to sign a big name player.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Most people don’t pretend that there is not a correlation.
People who pretend baseball is still a legit sport do, but…
CKinSTL
Which major US sport has better has better parity?
In baseball you can buy a playoff spot but in most cases you need to have a well-run organization to win a Championship.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
“In baseball you can buy a playoff spot but…”
That’s. Not. Parity.
It’s the exact opposite. Regardless of market size, any team that is well managed in the NFL, NBA or NHL can compete.
Market size determines your ability to compete in MLB, even if the coin flip nature of the playoffs produce various winners among the big market teams.
Since free agency became big in the 90’s only the Royals have won as a true small market team and even they had to have a top 10 payroll to do it.*
*An argument can be made that the 2003 Marlins operated as a small market even though Miami is top ten. Even still that’s 2 in 32 years.
Dustyslambchops23
You’re not really making sense with that post.
It seems like you are using a super narrow definition of ‘small market’
I mean if the marlins aren’t small market then who is?
I would say there are plenty of ‘small’ market teams that have won, cards, diamondbacks, marlins, kc, nats, twins, reds.
Then teams like the giants and braves have been super successful but not necessarily ‘big market’
rizdakc99
When you asked the girl out in high school who already hooked up with two of your friends
ohyeadam
And she just dumped you right before hooking up with your friends too. We were so good together baby, remember?
Tribefan4life
This contract negotiation has to be ine of the longest on record. Let’s get this done and move on. Before you know it, Spring Training will be starting.
Yanks2
As long as Heyman isn’t the source then it’s believable
pirateking24
Correa will blow through all of the teams and end up signing with the Pirates for a box of peanuts and a starring role at UPMC
toomanyblacksinbaseball
Correa has crap on his shoes that will never come off.
larsoeri
Gary and Ace are hell-bent on sinking the Twins before they inevitably get fired in the next year or two…
bwmiller
I think the leg injury is legitimate, from what I had read he has some hardware in his tibia, he jammed it late last year and was able to return without any issue but the fact that it was that plate in his leg that was likely part of the reason for the numbness, and that there is a higher probability that the leg degrades or requires a subsequent surgerical repair makes the long term contract a real risk, and that’s likely the hold up.
Id say he’s back to the drawing board on a shorter term deal.
hopper15
6 years with vesting options is a much safer bet though. Twins have to be ecstatic.
iBleeedBlue
MLB = WWE
Ted
6 years and $200MM to the Twins. Wow. What an off-season so far.
rabidrabbit
MLB fans: Noooo, Correa can’t not have signed somewhere already!!!
MLB teams: Talks go brrrrrr!