The Giants announced that they have agreed to a five-year, $90MM extension with right-hander Logan Webb. Webb will make $8MM next year, $12MM in 2025, $23MM in both 2026 and 2027, then $24MM in 2028. Webb, an ACES client, had previously been slated to reach the open market after 2025, so this deal buys out three free agent years.
Webb, 26, was selected by the Giants in the fourth round of the 2014 draft. His path to establishing himself as a big league starter was tumultuous, as he had Tommy John surgery in 2016 and received an 80-game suspension in 2019 due to a positive test for the banned performance-enhancing substance Dehydrochlormethyltestosterone. He then struggled in his first tastes of the majors, with a 5.22 ERA in eight starts in 2019 and a 5.47 ERA in the shortened 2020 season.
2021, however, was a huge breakout for the righty. He made 26 starts and one relief appearance, eventually logging 148 1/3 innings with a 3.03 ERA. He struck out 26.5% of batters faced while walking just 6%. He also got ground balls at an incredible 60.9% of balls in play, the highest such rate of any pitcher with at least 140 innings pitched that season. Last year, he proved that it was no fluke, throwing 192 1/3 innings over 32 starts, dropping his ERA to 2.90. His strikeout rate dropped to 20.7% but he still got grounders at an excellent 56.7% clip. He finished 11th the National League Cy Young voting.
In addition to establishing himself as the ace of the staff in San Francisco, Webb also crossed the three-year service time mark last year. That allowed him to go through the arbitration process for the first time, with he and the club settling on a $4.6MM salary. He would have been able to go through that two more times but it seems there was mutual interest in getting a long-term deal done instead. It was reported back in February that he and the club had previously had some extension talks, though a deal didn’t get done until today.
Looking to some recent comparables for pitchers in this bracket suggests that Webb did quite well for himself with this deal. Aaron Nola was between three and four years of service when he and the Phillies agreed to a four-year, $45MM deal with a club option. Sandy Alcantara and the Marlins agreed at five years and $56MM with a club option when he was in the same service bucket. Cristian Javier recently set a service record for pitchers between three and four years when he landed a five-year, $64MM guarantee. Webb’s deal trounces that number, although it’s not a perfect comparison, as Webb already had a salary locked in for this year and his new deal doesn’t start until 2024.
Looking to pitchers in between four and five years of service makes it harder to find a great comp. Jeffrey Springs and Chris Paddack recently signed deals in that window, though the Paddack was just embarking on rehab from Tommy John surgery while Springs had only recently moved from the bullpen to starting. In recent years, the Rockies gave five-year deals to both Kyle Freeland and Antonio Senzatela, though neither pitcher is as good as Webb. Jacob deGrom got four years and $120.5MM from the Mets a few years ago, though he was coming off an otherworldly season where he posted a 1.70 ERA while striking out 32.2% of batters faced. However you want to slice it, Webb’s extension stacks up quite favorably when viewed through a historical lens, either topping all three-plus pitchers or falling shy of only deGrom among four-plus pitchers.
Had Webb gone year to year, he would have been a free agent after 2025, his age-28 season. If he continued performing as he has in the past two seasons, he likely could have topped the $70MM he now has locked in for his post-arb years. Even mid-rotation starters like Taijuan Walker and Jameson Taillon got guarantees in that range this past winter. However, there’s always the risk that injuries or underperformance could have dealt a blow to his earning power in between now and then. Instead, he locks in a decent chunk of change and is still slated to reach the open market after his age-31 season, when he could potentially still be highly sought after, depending on his performance between now and then.
For the Giants, they are betting that Webb will indeed continue to serve a top-of-the-line arm. They don’t have a lot of long-term certainty in their rotation, as they’ve largely relied upon short-term deals for mid-range starters in recent years. Anthony DeSclafani signed a one-year deal for 2021 and then re-signed on a three-year pact that goes through 2024. Alex Wood and Alex Cobb are each in the final season of their respective two-year deals, though the club has a 2024 option for Cobb. Sean Manaea and Ross Stripling each signed two-year deals in the most recent offseason, but they both will have opt-out opportunities in a few months. That gives the club plenty of solid options right now, but all of those guys are in their 30s and potentially departing this year or next. Prior to this deal, Webb would have been slated to follow them out the door not long after, but the Giants can now keep him around through 2028.
The Giants have mostly kept themselves to those short-term deals in recent years, not exactly on purpose. They made attempts to sign marquee players like Aaron Judge and Carlos Correa, though those deals didn’t end up coming to fruition. That’s been a source of frustration for many fans, but the upside is that their long-term slate is quite open. Webb now joins Mitch Haniger and Taylor Rogers as the only players locked in for 2025, though Wilmer Flores does have a modest player option for that season as well.
They’ve used some of that payroll flexibility to lock up Webb, who is now the only player written into the ledger for 2026 and beyond. There should still be plenty of room to add other significant salaries next to Webb going forward. After a disappointing 81-81 season last year that followed the 107-win campaign of 2021, the Giants are hoping for better here in 2023. Whether they succeed or not, they have plenty of financial wiggle room to be aggressive in offseasons to come.
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This definitely makes up for not signing Arson Judge and Taint Correa. The Giants will definitely win the NL West now. Good pitcher.
Sooo tired of your taint obsession.
Seriously nobody gets it.
That’s why you have to upvote yourself. Not new, not funny, just repetitive nonsense.
@gfan- obviously just trying to get you mad and it’s working. Enjoy last place this season.
Geez, Giants fans are so sensitive. Maybe try putting on a pair of big Girl panties before you log on to MLBTR
Sad to say some of these Giant fans, are having a hard time just trying to fit in to their panties.
Says the “man” who trolls other fans on the internet for entertainment. 15yo schoolgirls wear pantries too, tough guy.
@foppert- Sounds like someone’s panties are in a bunch, and nobody on here wants to hear about your sick fantasies either, involving 15 year old girls or boys, take it easy big fella.
Sure thing, tough guy. Keep on trolling like a schoolgirl champ.
#TheBull – Why are ya so triggered bud?
They wear pantries? That’s…impressive.
“obviously just trying to get you mad”
But why add to and help perpetrate jackassery??
@flamingbag Pantries are a way to get all up in someone’s kitchen.
@foppert- you might need to go back to school to learn how to read and write.
Going with the typo !!! LOL
You little b&tch ! How surprising.
Foppert & Judge should probably just get married and get it over with
The best most sarcastic post of the night lmao
Logan Webb ACE?
Dude is a PED guy that is currently 0-3 w/ ERA close to 5.00
This extension falls in line with all the other bad decisions Zaidi has made so far. The SF Giants are such a mess
What is your metric for ace? He clearly has been one the last two years. Has outpitched sticky fingers cole during that time
Forget it, 27champyankees is a troll.
All these yankee trolls on every Giants article. I’m beginning to think that the Rodon signing may be upsetting all these 12 year olds ?
“Giants such a mess” I’m Not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with your central point, BUT the clock IS ticking on Farhan and you just don’t see those young, athletic MLB prospects on the Farm. By now SF should have one or two exciting young prospects nearing MLB readiness.
The clock is definitely ticking on Farhan and Kapler. I just wish Giants ownership would wake up and smell the coffee
At an average of $18m per season, not really. Especially if he performs as he has the last two seasons. This seems reasonable for both sides.
Not really $18M per season because the first two seasons are arbitration buyouts. Assuming those two are being bought out somewhere close to what he’d get in arbitration then the free agent seasons are around $23M per.
The contract begins next season.
Not sure what you mean. The article says it incudes his first three free agent seasons in 2026-28, for which he will recieve $70M. That’s $23.3M per.
People here don’t understand that controlled years are cheaper for a team than FA years…you see this same type of stupid post on every extension that covers arb + FA years.
Not even a little bit. He’s 26 and our ace
Ace? And he’s what 0-3 so far with 6+ era? Nah he’s just your typical #5 starter.
His ERA is 4.76 and it’s the middle of April. Let’s chill out. His past two years where phenomenal.
Eager haters, jumping on every perceived opportunity, like eager schoolgirls
4.1 & 4.2 fwar is, “phenomenal”? Guess you have really low standards.
Pickle_Britches — #1 point: He IS the SF Giants “ace.” They don’t have abetter pitcher. #2 point: No one but you would consider him a #5. I’m guessing you’re a troll. Or someone who doesn’t watch much baseball.
When you say things like that you are not involving yourself in the intelligent conversation.
Is that not really good? Are you arguing semantics over what this guy considers “phenomenal”? Cause I don’t believe that has a concrete decision. I’d figure it just means really good.
He’s off to a slow start but his past 2 years were good. If he returns to that form then it’ll be a steal.
You write this about 100% of contracts, at some point you just have to walk away and give it up, you are wrong.
Man, I couldn’t disagree more. I think this is a bargain. Kid isn’t as sexy because he’s a sinker ground ball guy, but he’s a legit ace. A true pitchers pitcher.
Exactly, Webb deserves $28M a year, $18M is a bargain.
That’s a simplistic analysis to say $18MM. He would’ve made around $8 and $12 in ARB for the next 2 years. Wasn’t touching the $18 next year certainly.
So basically it’s a 3 year/70MM extension. Not bad for what he produces at his ceiling. Provides him injury protection.
So what is it that keeps some players from possessing the ability to skip over whatever possible influence future arbitration years could have on a player? Can’t say war, Logan’s coming off of two straight years of 4+ WAR.
Wander Franco hasn’t touched 2.5 WAR. Julio Rodríguez has one promising year within 1.5 war of Webb last year.
Corbin Carroll, I could go on and on.
Not trying to call Webb a generational talent; but I’m here to stick up for the guy as the clubs obvious, legit ace in the prime of his career. Is he as flashy as the guys I mentioned? Of course not. But what makes him less deserving of avoiding arbitration consideration?
Especially considering, the consistent return he’s ALREADY given them for 2+ years.
Just playing devils advocate, interesting convo here
28 mill? For 10 years yea maybe
Good, fair, and simple assessment. It seams the comment section has become an emotional train wreck. Thank you for a level headed post.
Gives me Jake Peavey vibes watching him pitch.
Big time. Same bulldog mentality.
Exactly right. And hitters are better now and no shift equals a disaster contract
Um holy not
Says the Cubbie who’s “ace” is making almost $24M a year
I know, I had to laugh at his comment webb had a FIP of 2.78 and a little over 3 in the past 2 seasons with an era to suggest that he is getting the results that a pitcher like him should get. Stroman and tailon are nowhere near is good as Webb. I’d take him on my team any day of the week! Plus 190 innings a year is nothing to sneeze at this day and age and there is nothing suggesting he won’t give you that kind of length in the future. Congrats giant fans!!
He’s thrown 190 innings once.
I know that. That’s why I said “there is nothing suggesting he won’t give you that kind of length in the future.” He hasn’t given a reason to believe that he won’t be able to do it again. Untill I see him regularly yanked out of games in the 5th inning I’ll continue to have faith in the guy.
Nice contract for both sides.
Guess PED users don’t have to prove anything beyond a couple good seasons
Webb failed PED testing?…I must have missed that.
Kapler's Coconut Oil
He did as a minor leaguer for a substance that I believe is no longer banned
Years ago in the minors lmao
8o game suspension.
Your an A. hole
Meanwhile the NFL is full of PED users and nobody cares. All they can say is, “My god, I hope he’s back in time for the playoffs.”
Football is brutal on the body. You can at least understand why those dudes take it.
This is MLBTR. So yeah, nobody here is talking football, detective.
“You can at least understand why those dudes take it.”
Yeah. All those NFL guys are only doing PEDs for the purpose of healing.
Cool. He still cheated. People go nuts when hitters do it but when its a pitcher is “you poor baby”
I recommend reading up on it. DHCMT detection isn’t so cut and dry theathletic.com/3256364/2022/04/20/mlb-changes-ped…
I tend to take PED denials with a large heaping of salt, but find myself leaning toward believing these guys on this one
Ha ha. Never miss an opportunity to bag the Padres or Giants. Pathetic.
We really need to stop jumping out of our skins everytime we see a player that has this strike against them. We never even wait to see if there is any kind of mitigating circumstances just straight to our knee-jerk condemnations. I’m not calling anyone out anymore than I am myself. I have that same reaction but then I get more information about how this happened in the minors and that is definitely a mitigating circumstance. I am going to give a kid struggling amongst his peers some slack compared to a 10 year grizzled major league veteran.
He broke the rules. I don’t care if he’s a boy scout.
Nobody’s condemning anybody. It’s in the article.
Last time you broke the rules did you find that the consequences had no end of pundits years after the event that felt like their opinion was needed on it?
He also paid the price for it so who are you to continue holding something against him?
I wrote an answer in right after they said pencils down on my 7th grade math placement test. Oh, the guilt. I feel so phony and pathetic.
Whew, got that off my chest.
Depends in the rules, big guy.
His infraction, such as it is, could’ve meant loss of employment and pension in some of my lines of work. Far worse than what any pundit might say.
As for me, I’ll reiterate…I am quoting the article. Not condemning anyone. For that matter, you give me $90mil, I’ll put up with a lot of pundits. It’ll be the least of my worries.
I ripped that tag off my mattress! The one that says “under the penalty of LAW!”
@whyhayzee. Wow, you actually admitted it.
I’m a detective hired by your former middle school. They had suspicions about your 7th grade math placement test, so they reached out to me. Multiple, MULTIPLE! answers appeared hastily written and handwriting analysis proved at least 7 were written after “pencils down” was announced.
You phony, pathetic, cowardly SOB. You’re going to fry for this.
It was minor and now apparently it’s legal. So it don’t count
The giants front office is looking just as bad as bud lights sales over the last week. Lmao bunch ah bums
This is an interesting time to down this with him sucking right now and all.
Kapler's Coconut Oil
It’s 3 starts
It was thinking he might be injured. He’s getting hit hard.
*I, not it
maybe drinking alcohol in the AM wasn’t such a good idea…
I think it’s a GREAT idea.
Big picture, man.
Yep. But he’s sucking right now.
wu tang killa beez
I guess these negociations were affecting his game since the start of the season ? Hopefully he can get back on track, I wasted a high draft pick on him in my fantasy baseball !
*Deep sighs in Oakland A’s*
He needs a catcher that he can work with, you have Bart who doesn’t call a good game and Sabol who is inexperienced and raw.
Dumpster Divin Theo
I’m familiar with Bart but not Sabol. How bout Muni?
@Theo GREAT joke. Legitimate A+
Dutch Vander Linde
They have Gary Sanchez in the minors waiting to get called up.
Hi Dutch Vander, Sanchez is slow starting off in Sacramento though so not sure he makes it up soon but who knows. With Bryce Johnson going on the IL, a roster move will be made today….
#Dutch – The same Gary Sanchez who just went 0-5 with 3 Ks in AAA ball? No thanks
Soon to be irrelevant. With the addition of the pitch clock, more and more pitchers will be calling their own pitches. The catcher just needs to know what’s coming and catch it.
The catcher always needed to know what was coming, to catch it.
Actually Bart is not only hitting better than any other Giants C this year, his defense has been on point too. And the pitching staff is better with him behind the plate too. Speaks for itself. Really they need to just let Joey Bart play. Stop batting him at the bottom of the lineup, put protection behind him, so he gets some pitches to hit. The strikeout issue is team wide, clearly a coaching issue, not a player issue.
This sounds like a great deal for both team and player. This is how it’s supposed to be done.
Indeed. Compare and contrast with the Reynolds media circus.
Nice deal for the Giants. If Webb repeats his 2021-2022 performance, he would have most likely received more than $8M via arbitration next year and certainly more than $12M in his final season. Buying out 3 free agent years after that at ~$23M per year is great value to the team as well. Sure there are risks of regression or injury but what pitcher doesn’t have the same risks?
Dorothy I agree
Thanks Logan. Good work, Giants.
Now let’s win a couple in a row. Please.
Morning foppert! How about win 5 in a row! That would be nice 🙂
Hey Agnes. Baby steps. I’ll take just 2 at this stage.
Thanks again for the KNBR podcast info. Loving it.
You are welcome foppert! Been a weird start to the year, lots of AL teams, travel, rain, injuries, etc. But I’d rather have trouble now and clear sailing later. Hoping the Webb extension will help calm his mind so he can focus on his craft and also help anchor the team. We could use some stability!
Yes. There’s something to be said for a little consistency ! Still early so hanging tough.
#foppert – I completely agree. I’m on board with you on this one. Personally I’m hoping for a sweep in Detroit, but 2 out of 3 would be satisfying. Especially if we can get at least 2 out of 3 in Miami too.
#agnes gootch – You’re certainly right about it being a weird start to the year. Giants haven’t been at full force for a single game yet. That holds promise. Also I agree, the Webb extension hopefully reflects in his performance moving forward.
They’ll trade him at the back end of that deal.
Unless he craters. because he can no longer take Dehydrochlormethyltestosterone.
This comment is about as ignorant as it gets. Thanks.
Get help with the big words, chrissy. You’re welcome.
#bronxmad77 – chris didn’t misspell anything bud
Didn’t say he did, firefart.
Nice deal on both sides. Locks in $90MM, which is a good thing for a young pitcher. I don’t view him as a elite pitcher, but he is very good. An $18MM AAV seems like a win for both team and player.
It’s heavily backload. They can trade him if he gets too costly.
Unless he starts to underperform. In which case they’re stuck.
Dbacks should see if they can get a similar extension for Gallen. Not likely with Boras as his agent, but something in this neighborhood would be huge for them.
I would argue that Kyle Freeland is better than Logan Webb. Considering Freeland once put up a 7.7 WAR season and Webb has yet to break 5.0.
You could make that argument, but it wouldn’t be a very good one.
You’re really picking a player because he had one outstanding season, but has been mediocre otherwise? He is off to a hot start this year, but basing a pitcher on fewer than 20IP is almost as bad as using WAR to rate a pitcher. By that logic, Freeland is better than Corbin Burnes, Framber Valdez, Julio Urias, Carlos Rodon, Justin Verlander last year, just to name a few.
Oh well. I still believe what I believe. Have a nice day.
Good for you. I think in the end you’ll realize you were incorrect but that will be someday and I don’t really care one way or another. Logan webb is much better
All long term contracts are risks. 90 million is fair market.
It could be a little under market even! I’ve become a big Logan Webb fan from afar.
Nice to see the front office doing the work everyone expected them to. Also great for Webb I live near where he grew up and am excited to see another ball player from this area get paid. He earned it and deserves it hopefully he can reduce his homer rate because his other numbers are in line with his previous performances. Let’s see if he uses that money to cheer on his kings in the playoffs!
GivesASh!t about kings playoffs?
Now that thats out of the way maybe he can concentrate on pitching because he’s been brutal so far
If he’s that weak-minded, maybe the Giants should’ve saved $90 mil bills.
Next extension = Joey Bart
More likely Thairo Estrada.
Buts he’s 0-3 lol this year he’s not off to a great start but for the long haul seem like a good deal for both parties.
Cubs are going to regret that Taillon signing.
Hopefully this is what was in Webb’s head because his pitching thus far has not shown overall ACE stuff.
Taylor Rogers, not the underarm thrower twin version, but the one that came via SD.
What a disaster he has been — he is doing what muncy has done to the giants but on the mound pitching for the giants. Something is wrong with him – thought that being with his twin he would get back to early years stuff.
Stripling and lefty Rogers have been momentum killers in the early going.
He’s not an ACE? He’s had a couple years of 4 fwar performance, that’s solid, but not ace level performance.
I meant this season.
This needed to get done not only because Webb is the only (current) homegrown talent on the club that figures to play into the Giants’ future, but also as a show of good faith of being a contender and not a stopgap team that’s treading water into oblivion.
True. Wish we could see more than just one sign of that in 5 years though.
Nice. I’m surprised. Ownership must have really fought Farhan, to make it longer than 3 years. I’m wondering if there’s a secret opt out clause after 2-3 years.
Of course that happened. Just man up and give some credit where it’s due.
Of course it’s not a day over 3 years beyond his arb years
Odd timing, he’s had three rough starts in a row.. It seems this year, defenders aren’t getting in front of rockets hit off Webb – unlike the last couple years. Hope the Giants don’t regret it.
No more shifts to scoop up those ground balls like before. Another bad signing for the Giants. They look pathetic so far. Maybe they’ll have a great pick in next year’s draft to get another bum lol. Giants need a overhaul from coach to management.
Webb can slot in nicely as the #2 after they have signed Ohtani next year!
Your dreaming you know Dodgers and Yankees are going to go HARD!!!
Heck maybe Padres just uncork the 600 million payroll
Can’t wait till the offseason, to almost get Ohtani again
Giants have as much chance at Ohtani as the Kansas City T-Bones. Psssh.
Yankee arrogance displayed once again. The Giants have a better chance than the Yankees do. In 2018 SF was coming off a 64 and 98 season. The NYYs were coming off a 91 and 71 season. And yet the Giants made Ohtani’s 7 team short list and the Yankees did not. The Giants have more payroll flexibility than any other contender for Ohtani. Not saying the Giants will sign him but only a fool would discount their chances.
The shark enters the chat.