The offseason kicked into gear this week with the General Manager Meetings taking place in Scottsdale, Arizona. Though the meetings were eventually ended early due to a virus circling the bases of the baseball world, there was still plenty of reporting about how markets are shaping up for various clubs and players. The big star of the winter is set to be Shohei Ohtani but only dribs and drabs of information have come out relating to him so far, with Jon Heyman of The New York Post and Bob Nightengale of USA Today rounding up some of the details.
Ohtani is the top free agent available, head and shoulders above the rest. The two-way superstar has been the best player in baseball of late, putting together a three-year run of excellence that is perhaps the greatest the sport has ever seen. He’s hit 124 home runs, stolen 57 bases and slashed .277/.379/.585 in that time for a wRC+ of 157. He’s also tossed 428 1/3 innings with a 2.84 earned run average. Elbow surgery will keep him from pitching in 2024 but he will still hit, and will presumably do all he can to return to the mound in 2025 and beyond.
There has never been a player like this or a free agent like this, which puts him center stage. It has been assumed by many that he is most likely to land with a traditional big spending club such as the Dodgers, but he’s such a massive superstar that it’s possible many dark horse teams get into the mix. Marketing opportunities, both in North America and around the world, should offset some of the money it takes to land him. Those factors, along with his unprecedented talents, could open the door to unlikely suitors. “No one knows where he’s going to end up,’’ Astros general manager Dana Brown said to Nightengale. “And I think that’s exciting for the game. You just don’t know what’s going to happen. I think there may be a wild card team out there that’s going to surface. These teams can just come out of nowhere.” Indeed, any club that is not interested in Ohtani would be more noteworthy than a club that is.
But little information was to be had at the meetings, as neither Ohtani nor his agent Nez Balelo were present. Many baseball decision makers hemmed and hawed when directly asked about their interest in Ohtani, many commenting on his immense talent while adding that any club would be happy to have him. Perhaps the most absurd instance of ducking the question came from Mariners’ president of baseball operations Jerry Dipoto, when speaking with Bill Plunkett of the Orange County Register. When asked about how he would value such a unique player, he said merely “I don’t know.” When asked if he would need to figure out an answer, “Presumably so” was the response.
With various smokescreens coming from different directions, there is little left to do but try to read the tea leaves. Heyman says the Dodgers are considered the favorite because of their payroll space, track record of on-field success and Ohtani’s reported fondness for Southern California. But he also adds that the Angels want a reunion and the Padres are interested as well. The latter club is reportedly trying to figure out whether to trade or extend Juan Soto, with Heyman adding that president of baseball operations A.J. Preller has little interest in a trade. However, if they can successfully sign Ohtani, that could change.
He adds that the Yankees and Mets will check in but believe Ohtani is reluctant to live in New York. Heyman admits that he’s basing that on Ohtani’s initial arrival in North America six years ago, when he was reportedly choosing between the Angels, Dodgers, Padres, Rangers, Giants, Mariners and Cubs, mostly West Coast teams and none in New York. At that time, he was subject to the amateur bonus pool system and wasn’t going to get more than a few million bucks regardless of where he signed, so having a geographical preference didn’t hurt him financially. Now it would be in his best interest to at least pretend he’s open to signing anywhere, in order to have more suitors and boost his bidding. Whether he privately has a strong geographic preference right now is unknown.
The Cubs were the primary exception to the Western preference last time around and it seems they are hoping that Ohtani still thinks of them fondly. Nightengale lists them as a serious contender for Ohtani and adds that “several GMs” are saying that the Cubs “may be” the most aggressive team on Ohtani. He also adds that the Rangers are considered a serious contender, which isn’t surprising after their World Series win that was fuelled by several notable free agent signings in recent years.
As mentioned, the Angels would like a reunion and shouldn’t be counted out. “I think this is a very desirable place to play,’’ Minasian said to Nightengale. “It’s in a great part of the country. We have an outstanding fan base. The players that have played here since I’ve been here, have been really, really positive with their experiences. So, with anybody on the market, I think we have a chance.”
Though the Angels haven’t had much success on the field lately, they have done plenty of big deals under owner Arte Moreno. That includes a $360MM extension for Mike Trout, while Albert Pujols and Anthony Rendon got $254MM and $245MM in free agency, respectively. Re-signing Ohtani will likely require them to go beyond that stratosphere and into the mesosphere, but there’s at least some precedent there. “I wouldn’t put anything past,’’ Minasian said. “I think it’s something that for the right opportunities, ownership is all about winning. …We’ll do what we can to make the team as good as we can.’’
John Shea of the San Francisco Chronicle wrote this week about the interest of the Giants, talking to president of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi. “We’ve got a good amount of payroll flexibility,” Zaidi said, “so anybody that we think can be an impact player for us, even on a long-term deal, we’re going to be looking at.” Daniel Kramer of MLB.com covered Ohtani from the Mariners’ perspective, highlighting that Dipoto was much more vocal in his interest back when Ohtani was first coming over in 2017. There are likely a dozen other clubs working on their overtures to Ohtani at this very moment.
How it will all play out and on what timeline remains to be seen. Ohtani will likely want to talk teams about things beyond just money, such as how long they are willing to let him try pitching, what they would do if/when he can no longer take the mound, etc. Those conversations may take a few weeks and it’s been speculated that he may be signed by the Winter Meetings in the first week of December, but there are still plenty of unknowns about perhaps the most fascinating free agent of all-time.
Brew’88
Boras vs Balelo, who will Seidler choose?
Captain-Judge99
Welcome to the Dodgers, Shohei Ohtani! Here’s your blank check, basically. Name your price.
aragon
He wants to win multiple World series. The Dodgers’last World Series was 1988. The other was just a ”””!
cowdisciple
So you’re saying he shouldn’t play for the 1989-2023 Dodgers. Good call!
amk1920
Ohtani need to play in a postseason before he can play in a World Series
rememberthecoop
Hey Captain, how are you buddy? Yeah I think the Dodgers have a great chance. But I do feel that my Cubbies are going to take a serious run at him. But in the end, I think he stays with the Angels.
Franco27
If your Ohtani, and you want to play for a top team now, and have a chance for a championship, then Dodgers or Texas make the most sense.
tstats
Kindly you’re on crack if you think he stays with the most dysfunctional org
tstats
Pitching in a 5 man rotation that’s true, 5/6 instances of ohtani would be as a DH
Giant Willy
The Giants have won a lot more world series than the dodgers in recent years
Dock_Elvis
I’m not sure why Texas should necessarily be considered a top team. A playoff team. And the teams he will consider will probably all be capable of winning the 90 games Texas won.
abcrazy4dodgers
The giants have won a lot more participant ribbons than the Dodgers in recent years.
Shadow_Banned
Hell nah. I don’t want him. Over priced BMW in my opinion.
Fever Pitch Guy
Cap – I strongly disagree. This will be one of the most complex contracts in MLB history, with clauses included based on how many innings he pitches in 2025 and beyond. No team is dumb enough to pay $200M more for Ohtani the pitcher without some assurances he will be able to perform as a top pitcher again for an extended period of time.
TheFuzzofKing
Solid take.
It’s hard to see him as anything but a DH for most of a 10-year deal.
myaccount2
@Fever- I think you’re underestimating his marketability as well as some GMs’ desperation. If he told teams he would never pitch again, someone would absolutely still pay him Judge money just to hit. So I think the pitching aspect won’t knock the guarantee down as much as some think.
Go Go Power Rangers
I’m sure some GMs think that as well but he’s not taking “hitter” money.
i like al conin
Who would have ever thought it would be the Angels and not the Yankees having had the best baseball PLAYER – skills-wise – of all time. The Yankees lost the crown.
Sunday Lasagna
Babe Ruth was an outstanding Pitcher. 2.28 ERA and 2.81 FIP over 1221 innings. deGrom has a 2.53 ERA and 2.59 FIP over 1346 innings for comparison.
i like al conin
And neither have done what Ohtani has done, not to mention against an integrated league against much higher performing players.
Shadow_Banned
Babe Ruth played against like 8 teams. His numbers don’t count and are meaningless to me.
Poolhalljunkies
Lol yer crazy first ohtani has played 5 full seasons on mlb unless youd like to include 2020 i which he hit 190..yes 190..the guy has a career 274 ba and not approached 50 home runs let alone 60.. im sorry other than this very small sample size seeing hes done some things similar to ruth there really no comparison even taking into account lesser competition ruth blows him away..they didnt call yankee stadium the house that ruth built because it had a nice ring…come back with your comp when hes actually been in the game for more than 5 years in mlb then maybe he compares
CardsFan57
Ruth played against 8 teams when baseball had their pick of the best athletes. There were no other competing sports
Chris G.
“Their pick of the best athletes” is not a fair statement to make. It’s actually the complete opposite.
Ruth didn’t have to pitch or hit against black players or international players. The talent pool was substantially smaller.
Shadow_Banned
Exactly, AND his competition were part time black smiths and butchers so it further delutes his numbers in my opinion.
Fever Pitch Guy
Al – Today’s international aspect is more than offset by the watered down expanded rosters of 30 teams plus all the players who were shuffled on and off MLB active rosters.
WillieMaysHayes24
100 years from now…
“Ohtani didn’t play against any aliens from other galaxies and they only played against 30 teams not 64 like we have now”
There’s no point in comparing players from different eras. Ruth was head and shoulders above the players of his time just as Ohtani is. Trying to diminish what he accomplished because of factors outside of his control only shows bias against him.
Shadow_Banned
That’s like being the best kickball player in the world. Nobody plays that sport so it’s easy pickings.
There’s so much fierce competition with analytics and primo medical staffs. That the last 30 years of baseball are have been the best skilled era of baseball. WITH BLACKS AND INTERNATIONAL PLAYERS.
If we do play against aliens then we will have to reevaluate the talent pool as you mentioned.
CardsFan57
Baseball did get their pick of the best athletes. Unfortunately they were in two separate leagues. Where are the black baseball players now? Why are they so rare?
dpsmith22
What? Ruth held the record for scoreless innings in the World Series for decades. He only didn’t pitch because the Yankees wanted him in the lineup every day. The comparisons of the 2 players is comical.
i like al conin
@Poolhall- I didn’t say accomplished player but rather BASEBALL player skills-wise. Ruth was a two-way for a couple years and didn’t do what Ohtani has done, much less against 29 teams with minority and international players. Ohtani is the most skilled player of all time.
CardsFan57
DH anyone?
Ruth would have kept pitching if he could have only batted on his days off.
Shadow_Banned
Ruth was the best baseball player in the world the same way Mexico was the best taco country in the world.
As wild as it sounds East LA actually has the best tacos in the world. It’s my guess that East LA have access to more spices and combine ALL the best ideas from Mexico for their tacos. Whereas in Mexico they’re limited to regional spices and tend to stick to regional ideas. I’ve been to 10 different Mexican states and USA has better tacos.
For example this taco truck in east LA has 3 types of onions: pickled, sautéed, Raw and they’re absolutely amazing combined together.
Ruth is like Mexican tacos they were the best at one point until the USA, in this case larger talent pool made the tacos and baseball better.
i like al conin
I love this, Shadow Banned! So good. Now I want some tacos.
Shadow_Banned
^_^
CardsFan57
Utter nonsense on the blacksmiths and butchers. There were only full time professional baseball players when Ruth played. Keep making things up though. It’s amusing.
Steinbrenner2728
It’s an exaggeration on Shadow_Banned’s part. If that female pitcher could strike-out Babe Ruth in that Yankees-Chattanooga Lookouts exhibition match in 1931 with 3 pitches and no other major leaguer could do it at that time period… then yeah…
PutPeteinthehall
And how many innings in the field and hits for Ruth? I won’t mention the 714 HR’s as well. deGrom wishes he will be HOF material. Never gonna happen. Ohtani will have to have a real long career to get close to Ruthian numbers. Ruth was the real deal. Still admit Ohtani is the most unique free agent ever (think free agency started mid 70’s) and the greatest baseball talent I’ve ever seen.
PutPeteinthehall
BTW word on the street in Wrigleyville is that Ohtani is headed to Chicago’s North side.
The ballpark is a launching pad at times. Lineup has protection for him. Also believe the last five years of the contract will end up being a disaster.
Jonny5
Really? Have you ever actually looked at Ruth’s stats? Where to start….
182.6 Career BWAR (1st All Time, led the league 11 times)
Season highs in BWAR – 14.1, 12.9, 12.6, 11.9, 11.4, 11.4, 10.5, 10.3, 10.2 (for comparison Ohtani’s career high thus far is 10 BWAR)
2174 Runs (Tied for 4th All Time)
2214 RBI’s (3rd All Time)
506 Doubles
136 Triples
714 HR’s (3rd All Time)*
2062 Walks(3rd All Time)
1.164 Career OPS (1st All Time)
206 Career OPS+ (1st All Time)
Not to mention all the pitching accomplishments he had early in his career. I get that Ohtani is potentially the greatest ever, but he’s got to do it for a longer period of time before he can claim that title.
Jonny5
Really? Have you ever actually looked at Ruth’s stats? Where to start….
182.6 Career BWAR (1st All Time, led the league 11 times)
Season highs in BWAR – 14.1, 12.9, 12.6, 11.9, 11.4, 11.4, 10.5, 10.3, 10.2 (for comparison Ohtani’s career high thus far is 10 BWAR)
2174 Runs (Tied for 4th All Time)
2214 RBI’s (3rd All Time)
506 Doubles
136 Triples
714 HR’s (3rd All Time)*
2062 Walks(3rd All Time)
1.164 Career OPS (1st All Time)
206 Career OPS+ (1st All Time)
Not to mention all the pitching accomplishments he had early in his career. I get that Ohtani is potentially the greatest ever, but he’s got to do it for a longer period of time before he can claim that title.
Shadow_Banned
Yeah and im the all time the kick ball leader with 715 HRs.
Would be an entirely different argument if we threw Ronaldo in that argument.
Baseball was at its infancy and to drool at Ruth’s numbers is just delusional in my opinion.
Say what you want you can’t change my mind.
WillieMaysHayes24
To completely ignore them is far more delusional, but based upon your many opinions I can see you’ve never considered that you may be wrong. No point in arguing with narrow minds like yours.
User 401527550
You realize talent gets diluted the more teams there are?
Zonedeads
Babe was a bum playing against other bums
Zonedeads
His number are inflated due to the quality of players he played. He played against only white men who most would never make a team today
Gator50
Yogi Berra worked in the hardware section at Sears in the offseason. Just one of hundreds of examples. It was commonplace in the early days of baseball for players to have off season jobs.
Gasu1
Right, and don’t forget that Ruth played the outfield on days that he wasn’t pitching. Not dHing.
Gasu1
Ruth didn’t have a personal trainer, grew up in reform school, knew nothing of nutrition; and the only youth coaching he got was from a Catholic Brother at the reform school. I’m sure Ohtani had plenty of advantages in training and development. And no, in 1920, he did not compete against blacksmiths and butchers.
Gasu1
Other sports are bigger draws for many of the best black athletes.
Gasu1
Ruth pitched 5 full seasons, and 2.5 times as many innings as Ohtani. And played the outfield on his non-pitching days!
Zonedeads
Doesn’t have anything to do with that. Poc literally weren’t allowed. Don’t play dumb.
BaseballisLife
Going with Boras.
Mekias0
I find myself wishing that Dipoto would just say “no comment”. As M’s fans we know we’re not going to spend any money this offseason. We don’t need to be reminded by Dipoto that we aren’t even going to try to tempt big names. It’s depressing.
Dodger Dog
I think Seattle is the favorite to sigh him
rocky7
Yeh….right…..dreamer!
dshires4
I think Seattle will be a finalist to get Ohtani. But I think we’ll fall short and it’ll be a money issue. And it’ll be further proof that this ownership group doesn’t understand that paying to get over that proverbial hump in this window of contention makes sense, but they’re cheap.
PutPeteinthehall
ROTFLMAO!
M.C.Homer
I still blame DiDopo for the Angels mess today.
I credit the people who have tried after he ran out of town and sacrificed thier careers, but only time will heal this team.
JcHc3in1
Hilarious take
M.C.Homer
Maybe my lingering hostility is clouding my judgement?
aragon
Diputo’s name is in a dirty waterway by the stadium.
its_happening
Eppler made Dipoto look like Dombrowski.
M.C.Homer
Eppler took that flaming pile left behind.
Yet somehow brought us Ohtani. Simmons was a pretty good acquisition too.
But ok, he did nothing to build back the farm that was gutted before him. Particularly, duh pitching. Likes to draft “athletes” apparently
my oh my 614
He did leave quite a financial mess behind him. He’s seemingly learned his lesson though, thankfully. That Robbie Ray deal where we only gave him 5 years with an option wasn’t a bad contract considering he was the biggest SP fish in that pool. Things have been rough as of late with the quotes from our front office in Seattle but make no mistake, we have a very strong farm system and look to be in a good position for many years. Spending or no spending
good vibes only
The Robbie Ray contract is one of the worst in baseball. Farm is looking good tho!
LosPobres1904
M’s should trade for Cronenworth and Yu Darvish
Neon Cop
Weirdly think he stays with the Angels. They were extremely accommodating with everything he asked for. They’re bound to make the playoffs one day…
brewsingblue82
They couldn’t make the playoffs with him and Trout during some of Trout’s most prime years with good payroll flexibility due to his overall contract leaving them plenty of space, I wouldn’t count on them being all that spectacular on if they resigned him to the mega deal he’s going to get. Plus their farm system isn’t all that great and they weakened it more at the trade deadline. Think they’ll need a lot of luck to sign him or get into the playoffs anytime to soon.
stymeedone
The few players they gave up at the deadline hardly hurt a barren farm system. They weren’t the players to take the Angels forward. Its like the second nail in a flat tire. Doesn’t change anything. You still have to fix it.
Catuli Carl
Idk I think $50-$60 Million a year for Shohei added to their payroll will make it difficult to build a team around him and Trout that can be a clear winner in that division. Though with the new playoff format I guess they don’t have to be.
It’s pretty wild that they’ve had two of the greatest baseball players of all time on their roster for several years and still haven’t made the playoffs.
As sad as it is for Halos fans, I think their actual best course of action would be to trade Trout and do an Oriole’s style long term rebuild.
Steve Rogers
NBC Chicago is saying Ohtani’s price tag is $43 million for 10 years. $430 million will sink any club, just ask the Mets owner about that.
I like to see the Cubs resign Bellinger around $25 million per year for 5 years. $225 million is livable.
Unclemike1525
Except that’s 125 million and he ain’t taking that. If h did the Cubs probably would have him signed by now.
CardsFan57
@Steve Rogers
The wild card with Ohtani is the massive marketability. There’s no other player like him in that regard.
BaseballisLife
Ohtani is going in to his age 29 season. He will get 11 or 12 years. NBC Chicago is guessing based on him being a hitter. If he pitches he is worth more.
Bellinger is going to get closer to $250 million. Maybe more. 5/125 is not even in the ballpark.
Zonedeads
Who the hell would be dumb enough to give CB 250 million? Dude was horrible for 3 years before having a good season last year
BaseballisLife
Obviously you don’t actually read stats. Do you read this website?
Bellinger is going to get a large raise from the $17 million he made in 2023 and 10 years. This site is projecting $264 million total.
I will leave it up to you to go to Baseball Reference and look up his stats.
Zonedeads
I don’t care what this site is projecting. No GM is giving him 10 years or anywhere near 260 million.
M.C.Homer
Neon, I agree with you.
The Dodgers definitely have pitching issues moving forward. I’m an Angels fan but i think it’d be tough to turn down S.D., hard to find a better place to live. Team has potential.
S.F. is an easy sell to those who don’t like it hot in summer…
Any 4 of the Ca teams, including the Dodgers,
need a little luck on thier side to win a championship. Agreed particularly the Angels would need a LOT more luck than others.
What’s the difference?
Throw em all in a bowl and draw one or stick with what you know…the Angels
theknuckler
I think it’s possible they resign him
and then trade Mike Trout.
He was rumored to be available at the deadline
They won’t get as much for him now,
as they could/should have, but a decent return and some cash off the books you can fit Ohtani.
Rendon’s contract makes all of this unlikely.
What an Albatross !!
chalk73
Trout was available at the deadline? Quit making stuff up.
MLB_Angel
Agreed. I think he does stay with the Angels. Ohtani is not about the money. He is very Japanese and loyalty will play a big part in his decision to stay.
nukeg
It makes little sense for the Angels to sign him. He can’t pitch in 2024 and occupies the DH slot which is where Trout and Rendon need extensive ABs during the season.
solaris602
Angels can try all they want to bring Ohtani back, but I’d be surprised if he returns even if they’re highest bidder. He knows the near future there is bleak, and he won’t want to waste his prime while the organization tries to figure things out.
FenwayFanatic
So no to Boston??
kingbum
Ohtani would be a fool to say no to a northeastern team. There is not a more passionate fanbase about baseball than the northeastern teams. Baltimore, Philly, both New York teams, and Boston combined is the best spot to play baseball in the country, if you want to play for fans that actually care. Like in LA who really cares about baseball? You got 9 million other things going on. Texas is all about football period, nothing else matters there. In the Southeast it’s football and NASCAR. Up in Chicago, Minnesota, Michigan areas it’s more about football and hockey. The beautiful thing about Boston is that you are at the center of it all and the fans actually show up and care…..
Dodger Dog
LA leads the league in attendance every year
M.C.Homer
The Padres were #3.
Angels and Giants both drew more the 2.5 million last year, good for 12th and 15th.
Yankees and Phillies the only East coast teams in top 10 attendance last year
Poolhalljunkies
Looking at attendance stats leaves me impressed with boston…dodgers stadium holds 56k. Fenway park 38k yet the red sox dont draw that many less considering a massive size dif in home park..plus a sellout is a sellout ..so..who cares
ronnyalton
Interesting, are the Braves not a part of the east coast teams?
Hemlock
> So no to Boston??
Winters suck. The end.
luckyh
Baseball ends before winter, way earlier lately in Boston ☹️
FenwayFanatic
Dwight Schrute likes the cold.
rocky7
Hey, not that the Yankees have a chance either but please give us a break with this Boston is the obvious choice stuff…..he ain’t drinking Chowder anytime in this millennium……….rumors spread by local media that Boston is high on his list because of what….your left fielder who is one of the worst defensive fielders in the game?……or is it that your dreaming of someone to remind you of the Gyro Pitch…..the favorites have to be the 3 California teams…..he supposedly loves Newport Beach and the California lifestyle…..why would he trade that for the crime, and shit_y lifestyle of any team on the East Coast…..yes…all of them……
FenwayFanatic
There’s very little crime in Boston. California has far more, LA in perticular.
CardsFan57
People who live guarded gated communities don’t worry much about crime.
FenwayFanatic
I don’t think the city is too dangerous. The suburbs like Dorchester might be.
Jack Dawkins
Yes but 3 Dodgers homes have been burglarized recently. They were hit while the team was on the road.
Catuli Carl
I don’t think the football/baseball/basketball/hockey balance is any different in Chicago than it is the Northeast. And Cubs fans are pretty remarkable as far as baseball fanbases go.
I think after the Yankees, you see more Cubs fans at their team’s away games than probably any other team.
And yankees fans may be passionate, but they’re also just mad. They routinely boo their own players and verbally abuse them if they see them on the streets of NY when they aren’t playing well. I would never want to play for the Yankees personally. Mets, Sox, O’s, Phillies, sure. But not the Yankees.
rememberthecoop
Solid take Carl.
FenwayFanatic
Hot Take for most people, but I agree
niched
Baseball is big in California. Go to a Dodgers, Giants or Padres game some time. I’m an Os fan but I’m impressed with the game atmosphere out west. It’s different than the east but it’s still good.
IMissVin
Kingbum, I live in the DFW metroplex and there were somewhere between 400,000 and 700,000 people celebrating on a workday afternoon at the parade. I think your statement of Texas is only about football, nothing else, period is opinion and certainly not fact and I think Astro fans will agree. Texas is about winning!
Catuli Carl
I think the estimates of the Cubs World Series parade in 2016 were something like 3-5 million.
aragon
The vulgar bean town thugs?
FenwayFanatic
Boston’s changed a lot.
M.C.Homer
Kingbum, Most of the American MLB players come from those places you say don’t care
Jean Matrac
Players don’t sign with teams on the basis of how passionate the fans are.
I.M. Insane
Baltimore? Really? I mean, I like the O’s but their attendance, even in good years, is hardly anything to crow about.
niched
Just like any other team that’s been bad for so long. Another one or two good years under their belt and the O’s will have strong attendance again.
Catuli Carl
Dipoto gave that reporter the Marshawn interview treatment lol
Old York
No team will sign him and he’ll go back to playing in Japan.
good vibes only
That would be wild
Brew’88
Bauer, York?
JayRyder
Giants
Catuli Carl
“several GMs” are saying that the Cubs “may be” the most aggressive team on Ohtani.
Never have I heard a more beautiful sentence in my entire life.
Cubs sign Counsell, Ohtani, Bellinger, and a couple decent bullpen arms, spend the offseason drilling Morel at 3B and I think we’re looking pretty dangerous.
acoss13
I would be ecstatic if that were true. But I don’t see the Cubs signing both Ohtani and Bellinger, and I’d be okay with that.
Ma4170
Yeah my vibe on ohtani to the cubs is so strong im tempted to change my pick in the MLBTR FA contest
Unclemike1525
I’m not sure what to make of all the Ohtani to the Cubs talk. In the beginning I thought the chances of him being here were about the same as me winning the lottery, And I don’t play. After seeing the the Counsell move I thought odds increased to 1 in 500,000. I still doubt he comes here but on the slim chance he does, Then Morel is surely gone for some pitching and 3B becomes a possibility for resigning Candelerio. Then Bellinger isn’t really needed anymore and you can live with getting say a Hoskins for 1B, Candelerio for 3B and Ohtani is your DH for the next however many years. That’s a pretty good lineup with solid depth pieces in the organization to trade or bring up in case of injuries. Just tossing it out there. I still think it’s still all a big long shot. Posted this in the wrong article at first. My bad.
Catuli Carl
I really wish they would just spend the entire offseason drilling Morel at 3B. If he could just strike out a little less and play replacement level defense at third, it would solve so many problems for us.
Then sign Ohtani to DH, Belli at first and a couple cheap bullpen arms and one starter. That’s my ultimate wish list.
EricS
There is no world where they sign bellinger and ohtani. Bellinger is going to get bid up to the 200 mil range
Brew’88
Every year fans must re-adjust to the new cost of playing a game
Unclemike1525
You’re not getting Ohtani AND Bellinger. That’s just not feasible. I’ve said all along that Morel can play 3B but if I’m wrong then the Cubs need a 3B for at least a couple of years. If you can get Relief pitcher or 2 for Morel I’d go that way.
Cubs 40 man stands at 37 with Vasquez added and Estrada and Brendon Little gone.
Aliendo, Hodge, Arias, Horn and Franklin need protecting I’m not that high on Franklin but now that Little is gone I’d keep Horn.
Let Heuer, Madrigal and Wisdom go and let’s finally put that horrible trade with the White Sox for Kimbrel in the Rear View
You don’t know if Heuer is ever coming back and Franklin is as erratic as they come. Mastro is better than Madrigal and is LH to boot. I know Madrigal is everybodies favorite But with Shaw here and Vasquez here he really is redundant and not needed anymore.
Catuli Carl
If you can get Ohtani’s AAV to $50M and Bellinger’s to $20M, I think it’s doable. Unlikely? Definitely. But theoretically possible.
Unclemike1525
In what Universe does Bellinger sign for 20 million? Inquiring minds wanna know. I’m pretty sure the Cubs already offered him more than that to stay. Not to mention that they offered him the QO for 20 million and he said no thanks.
filihok
Umike
“In what Universe does Bellinger sign for 20 million? ”
$20 million for 20 years?
30 years?
50 years?
At some point he says yes
Jean Matrac
MLB would definitely not allow a clear lux tax dodge like 20/$20M, let alone the latter 2 options.
Unclemike1525
Yeah I hate calling peoples ideas dumb usually but that is dumb. Sorry. In fact I’m kind of surprised MLB didn’t say anything about the Sox 15 year 1 million dollar payments to Liam Hendricks yet. Much lesser scale but a dodge nonetheless.
filihok
JM and UM
The question was
“In what Universe does Bellinger sign for 20 million? ”
That’s different than if MLB would accept it or not.
Hendricks’ situation is totally different. With Hendricks it’s deferred money. It doesn’t reduce his AAV. It just reduces the present value of the total payout and the Sox’ outward cash flow for this year.
Catuli Carl
Dumb? What did MLBTR have him at? $22M/year over 12 years? How is $2M less dumb?
And if the Dodgers can pay Mookie Betts, Freddie Freeman, and Shohei Ohtani, the Cubs can certainly find a way to pay Swanson, Belli, and Ohtani.
Gumby82
FU John Fisher! Sell the A’s! If the Giants are in a market for Ohtani, then you should be too! You’re 20 miles away!!!
Catuli Carl
For another season or two. Then he’s packing up and moving to the middle of the desert.
HalosHeavenJJ
Total guessing game but I do think he stays west coast.
I think the Giants are a solid guess.
James Midway
Giants have been my prediction all offseason
prov356
I’ve said Giants all along too.
gravel
As a Giants fan I’m looking forward to the fictional name Jon Heyman says is signing with the team. Maybe Shawn Ohtani.
HalosHeavenJJ
Ohtani isn’t a Boras guy so Heyman won’t need to try the bogus mystery team thing to pump up his value.
James Midway
Latest rumor. He is meeting with people and at some point he will sign with a team.
Catuli Carl
Psh, where did you read that? John Heyman? You shouldn’t believe every rumor you hear.
Hemlock
Money may be involved eventually.
Rsox
The problem is, how do you value him from the standpoint of you are signing a “two-way” player that offers zero defensive value and may not pitch for at least the next year and has had two major elbow procedures in 6 years? I’m sure he gets a decade long deal and I’m sure he probably gets over $350 million but i don’t think he gets the $450-500+ million everyone was anticipating in July and August
rond-2
Exactly. Maybe he’ll be a 2 way player coming off this surgery maybe not, who knows? Another concern is Ohtani’s age.
i like al conin
The Judge contract has to be the floor with the rest based on pitching comps, team budgets, projected off-field revenues, bidding and elasticity of demand for each team. Just a non-expert guess.
outinleftfield
When Ohtani signed with the Angels originally, he wanted to play RF. The Angels said no, we only want you to DH. IF he cannot pitch, he will undoubtedly want to play OF. He certainly has the arm to play RF.
Rsox
If he can’t pitch he can’t make throws from the OF either
outinleftfield
HUGE difference between 100 pitches a night and 100 throws from RF a season.
Jean Matrac
Bryce Harper played RF prior to his TJS. After the surgery he was limited to DH and 1B. And he didn’t even play 1B until the 21st of July, 97 games into the season. The Phillies even played Schwarber in the OF rather than risk putting Harper out there. That ought to tell you something. Ohtani is not playing the OF anytime soon.
outinleftfield
Didn’t say soon. Said if he cannot pitch, something we won’t know for 12-18 months.
Ignorant Son-of-a-b
Vegas Odds to sign Shohei:
Dodgers -110
Giants +500
Mariners +700
Mets +700
Yankees +750
Rangers +850
Red Sox +1300
Angels +1500
Cubs +1500
Phillies +1800
BlueJays +2000
Padres +2000
FIELD +2000
heiniemanush
Giants should be longer odds because of the RF wall. Shohei san not stupid. NYY should be shorter odds for the short porch in NY. SD ,best bet on the board.
gfan
Bonds had no problems with the wall. Just a bunch of wet balls.
Ziskmania
Shohei’s agent secretary is go to put down some MAJOR money on whoever Shohei decides to sign with before it is released publicly. Love some insider trading
Not a clever name
Years ago when Greinke was leaving the dodgers and setting the market in the off-season for starting pitching these same teams were the “favorites” no one mentioned AZ. But they came just shy of a WS and have proven they will spend on SP especially if they believe it’s the right player. I know technically he’s not SP at this point but if they see him being that again I wouldn’t count the snakes out. That said I hope Farhan actually closes the deal on a face of the franchise and he ends up here in the SF Bay Area.
Sterlingadingadong
Shohei will soon be a one way player. Please for the love of god, I hope the Yankees don’t sign him.
Catuli Carl
He’s arguably the best baseball player of all time. Common Yankees fan L
Sterlingadingadong
Hey Carl go wrap your lips around a tail pipe and inhale.
The cubs suck
Airbal
Sterlinggadingadong Echo your comment just hope he doesn’t sign with dodgers.
Catuli Carl
Common Dodgers fan L
outinleftfield
When he does becomes a 1-way player it will be an OF and an exceptionally good one. He has speed and a strong arm.
Simm
Padres sign Ohtani and trade Soto. Makes a lot of sense because Soto will not sign an extension/
Padres add some money it would have taken to extend Soto and give it to Ohtani. Take Soto and trade him to acquire even more talent.
This would actually be a very smart move by the padres.
Longtimecoming
Simm – It would be a fine outcome. I fear GM’s would smell blood in the water and the Soto offers might decline as a result though so there could be a diminishing return factor there but it would be nice to have Ohtani, Tatis and Manny to all come to the plate in the 1st inning every game – could still be Kim in leadoff but still.
Simm
Nah because they can always keep him. It’s one year, the padres can easily afford them both for a year. Plus with the hitter’s market right now I’m sure the offers would still be there.
Longtimecoming
Simm – and add 3 SP’s that will easily total AAV of 35-40 mil min. I don’t see it being an easy fit for both but it’s not my money so I’m in.
Simm
Padres have about 170m on payroll counting Soto if they don’t keep the other arb guys. They will be over 200m in payroll: they can easily find 3 started for 50m, plus they may trade for one or two. I’m not worried about the padres finances.
They wouldn’t be trying to extend Soto if that was an issue. It will cost more then 3 a year to extend him. Of course he may not be extended no matter what which means trading him and spending the money elsewhere makes some since of the offer is right
Longtimecoming
SIMM, we have done this dance before. Soto and pitching and Ohtani and filling out the rest of the team (arb or replacements) runs the payroll up to close to 300 mil and that is just not likely.
No, I don’t buy the 200 mil crap or the financial distress but it isn’t going to be 300 mil either.
Similar to 23 is my bet and you can’t make it work the way you propose.
Brew’88
@Simm. And I can think of no more wonderful way to piss off Robert Dean Manfred Jr.
User 401527550
Except they are trying to dump a lot of payroll. That is adding about 20 mil a season.
Simm
Yeah I don’t think you will see them dump a lot of payroll. That cam from a reporter from the sdut who is literally always wrong.
User 401527550
They borrowed fifty million to cover last years payroll. Was that report wrong?
Simm
They got they 50m
On sept 18th, last payroll for players was on sept 15th. So considering they don’t pay players during the sept 15th until the start of the new season unless you are buying people out which they didn’t then yes. I’m saying that money will be used on different t things which could be for 2024 payroll. But not 2023…
User 401527550
Sounds like you have hopeful thinking as opposed to the reality of what’s happening.
Simm
Sounds like you don’t know the padres
ohyeadam
Or maybe the $50 was for an ohtani downpaynent. They go with both players, Ohtani and Soto. Resign snell and Hader then begin a new dynasty!
Simm
Yeah I think they knew they were going to need to spend a bunch of money this offseason do they got ahead of it. Whether that’s to extend Soto or elsewhere. The padres are in as on all in. Even Seidler has said recently if he has to put money in him and the other owners have no problem doing so. Of course you rather spend someone else’s money first.
The padres didn’t spend all this money without a long term plan. They locked all those guys up for a decade. They know exactly what they are doing it’s the media that’s confused.
outinleftfield
Simm, I am sure that is on the table, but who would you rather have, a 25 year old that has a 157 OPS+ for 15/500 or a 29 year old that has a 157 OPS+ and might pitch if he can overcome his 2nd T=J surgery for 11/500?
Simm
If Ohtani can pitch for 6 of those years then Ohtani would have enough value to clover his cost.
Here is the real question. What if you can sign Ohtani this offseason but Soto won’t sign an extension. Then it’s not aster of which would you rather have. It’s a matter of getting one of them vs none. I’ll take either on either deal you listed.
One other thing to keep in mind. Padres have no current tv contract. Which will help them secure a more money Soto or ohtani. While Soto is great he isn’t going to draw the viewers Ohtani will.
outinleftfield
Its a question of whether Ohtani can pitch effectively at all when he comes back. This is his 2nd TJ and there have been 2 guys out of over 40 that have come back and put up a single season under a 4.00 ERA.
To me the better bet to put money in is Soto. He is younger, the AAV will be less, and he is as good at the plate.
LivingRoomGM
If Farhan Zaidi doesn’t sign Ohtani his days are going to be numbered. Has yet to successfully sign an impact player
gravel
All our days are numbered and yet this sounds like a threat. You have Farhan’s address or something?
LivingRoomGM
lol No dude, i meant as a GM. Giants don’t seem to have any direction or some type of culture especially after Gabe K left.
stymeedone
Of course he’ll pretend to want to play in NY. If the Yankee players can do it, he can, too!
ohyeadam
Was a very short meeting. Apparently he asked what the offer was for an hour
MPrck
If no one else can sigh till he signs, it could be a long slow off season.
Buzzz Killington
My money is on the Giants.
Saint Nick
Ohtani to the Pirates confirmed.
Buzzz Killington
The Somolia Pirates have a better chance of landing him.
Buzzz Killington
*Somalia
aragon
Ohtani donate 60,000 gloves to Japan’s elementary schools.
Wheeler Dealer
To the Cubs confirmed per Japanese media
Catuli Carl
If we got Bedard and Ohtani in the same year…
Central Valley
Just think of the $ a MLB team will make off of Ohtani? Yes a very large contract, but the marketing and tv deals will more than pay for his salary.
Come on Farhan, it’s time. I’ll buy tickets..
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Why doesn’t Ohtani sign a one year deal with the Angels
gravel
A pillow contract? Why?
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Who is going to cough up the coin on possible damaged goods
outinleftfield
More of a question of who ISN’T going to be in on Ohtani. Even if he never pitches again, he is one of the top hitters in baseball and would move to the OF if he cannot pitch. Tht means as much AAV as Judge plus a couple of extra years because he is younger.
Shadow_Banned
Paying Ohtani Absurd amounts of money is like rewarding your new wife with a house despite her an absentee wife to her ex husband.
Any GM paying him $500MM is making a grave mistake.
Hes damaged goods. And there’s no way in hell im paying him for his accomplishments with the Angels. That’s irrelevant to my team moving forward:
foppert1
I just hope he makes a quick decision so everyone else can move forward.
Paleobros
Ohtani to Savannah Bananas would be cool.
my oh my 614
One thing that’s for sure is that he is going to make an insane amount of money. If we’ve seen 500mm contracts go out to one way players, I can’t imagine what he’s going to get. That’s something clubs have to think about as well, because signing him means that for the next 10+ years you have to work around a massive income that’s all going to one player. Then there’s the question of longevity with his arm. Japanese pitchers often get hurt due to the change in workload coming over from the very injury prevention minded teams they play for. we’ve already seen early signs of this and I can’t imagine it will get better with age unless he moves to the bullpen or spot starts. Very exciting time, he could quite literally either be the greatest acquisition of all time or the worst financial investment baseball has ever seen. I imagine he’ll sit on the side of the greatest, but there’s a lot of question marks
Adriann
Yes so great he couldnt even get his team above .500 and couldnt t do both great without blowing up his body. Its a nice niche yet he isnt gonna be able to do both and stay healthy. It didnt work this year and wont as he gets older. I would luv him yet somebody gonna over pay for ticket sales and Japanese promos.
robert-5
Shohei vs Yamamoto & Bellinger ?
As a Cub fan, I think Id prefer the 2.
Legit concerns about Ohtani’s arm, even if not major red flag, Id put a team option in his contract in case he’s unable to take the mound again.
Donny G
Winning is #1. He’s not willing to wait 2-3 years for the promise of being a top contender. Mike Trout extended on a promise from Billy Eppler that the Angels were on tract to build a winner. That was in 2019. 4 years later they still haven’t cracked .500. Based on that, it eliminates the Giants, Angels, Mets, Boston, Cubs all of which are not likely to be a World Series contender in the next 2 years (Mets are too screwed up right now). That leaves Dodgers, Rangers, as teams that are likely to go deep into the playoffs for years to come. Other teams like Phillies, Astros, Orioles, Braves, Diamondbacks, Rays, Twins all can win but don’t have the payroll or the willingness to pay him what he wants. Bluejays are possibility, but I can’t see Ohtani playing in Canada.
Jack Dawkins
I haven’t heard anything about salary demands from Shohei’s camp. It just doesn’t seem to be in his character to demand anything. Logically, he has preferred destinations so he will field offers from them and select one of them based on his own calculations of those teams’ potential for success. I suspect that he keeps his thoughts about this a secret so that those preferred teams don’t low ball him. I also think he will accept a lower contract from a preferred destination as long as it isn’t insultingly low.
Mickey Solis
Disgusting but he’s going to sign with the moneybags Dodgers who can buy anyone they want and will keep throwing money at their problems until they can end their 35-year legit title drought. I get why someone like Ohtani would like LA but that place sucks, the “fans” are the biggest joke in all of sports. There is no sense of community or connection between fans and teams like in Boston, Chicago, Detroit, and Philly (say what you want about their fans, but at least they actually care). I’ll have Ohtani if he sells out and joins the other purchased All-Stars like Mookie and Freddie in LA but respect the hell out of him if he ends up with a team like the Mariners or Cubs.
Tomas7
All conjecture, but I think there’s a very good chance of him staying in Anaheim, the good fans there really appreciate him there and deserve to have him back. (Although I know baseball is a business, but you never know)
Roidville Slugger
Wait a minute…he’s a free agent?!?! When did this happen???
BlueSkies_LA
Made you click.
I.M. Insane
Money is king, I get it, but who in their right mind would sign with the Dodgers? If I were a major leaguer, that’s one of the last places I’d go. Weather? San Diego is better.. Hot women? Texas is better. Fanbase? Try New York, Boston, Chicago and Houston.
Brew88
Texas women found their way into our thoughts
Go Go Power Rangers
Texas biased but I agree completely.
User 2976510776
I think the Yanks might get Bellringer and Ohtani. I think so much has been written about him not wanting to play in NY that maybe not the case. That was 6 years ago which is ages in today’s high level international sports world. He’s so insulated it seems even from other teammates that it wouldn’t matter where he plays. They do have beaches there too if I’m not mistaken like the Hamptons etc.
reflect
Anaheim is not a nice part of the country lol.
Ma4170
I feel like the mariners need his bat the most of the rumored teams, but for some reason I don’t see it
dpsmith22
The wonderful example.of baseballs flawed economic system. The same 5 or 6 teams with the money to afford a star FA – blah blah..
For the record, Soto is the better get for 2024 for certain and probably the future. The odds of Ohtani pitching again are slim.
my oh my 614
Soto is a top hitter in the league for sure. I kind of hope Seattle waits and bids on him if we’re in the mix for free agent upgrades
Tomas7
I feel the right spot for Ohtani would be in Anaheim, all lot of his followers are in that part of the country. He would also fit well with Ron Washington. The Angel’s have the resources to sign him and he likes Southern California. I hope the good Angels fans get him back.
A's Fan
2 elbow surgeries in 5 years and nobody should be concerned about his ability to pitch at a elite level in the future?
gfan
Everybody should.
gfan
If Ohtani wants to win and sign with the Fodgers he better insist they move on from Kerchoke. Check your history Shohei !
Or better yet come on up to the Bay Area.
letsplaytwo
One of the reasons Ohtani chose the Angels was to play with Trout. I believe. he signs with Seattle (for less money) to play with Julio and a team that has one of the best pitching staffs in baseball.
‘61AngelFan
The real shocker: Ohtani is lured back to the Angels because RW as mgr, with a new coaching crew, holds out the promise of creating a winning – and fun – environment, absent for too long, setting the team up for the possibility of a real run at the playoffs. The contract has loads of opt out clauses though.
Wishful thinking? Pure fantasy? Perhaps!
377194
All I can say is fans of the club who signs Ohtani will be paying $200 for a stadium hot dog.
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
Ohtani’s gunna be a glorified dh real soon. That arm isn’t lasting the contract, especially with his over-reliance on spin rate. Don’t know how well he’d do transitioning back to the outfield, but I wouldn’t commit a big-money long-term deal to find out.
angels fan for life
He going to sign a 3 year deal with the angles with a out clause i see happing
Old York
My guess for Ohtani’s landing spot is Seattle. They have a good young group of players surrounding him and it’s the team of his childhood hero, Ichiro.
Ska0_Kmbappe1
Unless somebody throws him a billion,he’s coming to the DODGERS…all that etc is irrelevant, he dnt wanna play for the Yankees cubs mariners or rangers…lmfao clowns
Go Go Power Rangers
The Dodgers have competition with every contender in baseball. Plain and simple. The guy doesn’t even fill the Dodgers needs. You want Ohtani to be a Dodger so badly and for what? To play franchise mode on The Show?
LordD99
Despite reports from his agent, the odds are he’s going to miss the first couple months of the season, and then he’ll only be a DH, and likely not at full power for another couple months. In year two, he’ll be 30 and his bat should be back at full strength for the entire season, but he’ll be under pitching restrictions his first year back from TJS. That means the team signing him for half a billion won’t get 100% the full Ohtani experience until year three of the deal when he’s 31. To get the full experience, they’ll have to lock up the DH so they can’t rotate other players through the slot, and they’ll have to build a six-man rotation to accommodate Ohtani. The Angels did both, but they also were not a competitive team.
I’m not sure every team is skilled enough to build their team around Ohtani, not to mention spend $50 MM a year for the honor, restricting other player moves. The Dodgers are one of the teams who can make it happen, both financially and with proper team construction, but will Ohtani buy into some restrictions he might have to deal with?
Divebomber81
Anyone see the Astros swooping in and scooping him up?
Cory in Texas
If Shohei prioritizes winning over the next decade, he’ll choose the Rangers Dynasty.
Joemc8488
How about a hard salary cap to level the playing field? Otherwise all WS titles are just purchased and only the rich will fight for awesome talent. Signed “Tired in Seattle”
;)).
Cory in Texas
You might be forgetting, most of our team hasn’t signed their first big contract yet.
Joemc8488
Thus my point…you have spent 500M just on SS and 2nd base then add another 500M on starting pitching and bullpen…winning WS after 100 loses 2 yrs.ago
Whoever spends the most wins the most. A salary cap would emphasize coaching and player development.
Just compare money spent to # of championships…see NY Yankees. 🙂
Cory in Texas
I guess different strategies are implemented depending on the timing of their clubs players ages. Many spread that big money between all their players, while others have a more disproportionate balance, relying on the younger crops to mature while allowing the club to be more liberal when it comes to free agent opportunities. We all know the consequences, or potential consequences of dead money free agents. The Rangers have suffered more than a few times of those self-inflicted handcuffs. There are consequences to those gambles. Some lose their value by way of injuries. Others by way of underperforming once getting the big pay day, and every once in a while, the player outperforms the once considered overpayment. It’s an educated bet, whether each player will live up to their offered contract. Nothing is guaranteed.
Where did the Rangers rank in terms of total payroll last season? We were the highest I’m assuming, by your response.
Oh and Yankees. Thank God they have Cashman. Keep that man employed.
drasco036
Why is everyone overlooking the obvious issues with signing Ohtani? Besides payroll, teams will have to adapt a 6 man rotation like the Angels used (which still didn’t keep him healthy).
Ohtani has never pitched in the playoffs and is used to extra rest. How are you going to adjust a playoff rotation? Basically hope and pray Ohtani can pitch on short rest? Hope he’s your third or fourth starter so you don’t have to worry about it?
There are too many questions than answers for me to give out big bucks. I think anyone who signs Ohtani cares more about the marketing aspect than winning
please disperse
We can talk modern vs older eras, but ya need to recall George Herman Ruth when asking if this run is the greatest ever
JackStrawb
Or take Ted Williams’ age 22 & 23 seasons before he goes off for three years to win WW2, then bookend it with his age 27 season. Ohtani should be so lucky.
I figure if a guy doesn’t have to bother with pitching to beat Ohtani having to hit AND pitch, why are we even discussing this ‘all time great’ nonsense?
Or just say the magic words “Willie Mays” and end the argument.
Yanks2
This guy is exactly what the Yankees need. A lefty bat and a top pitcher who can handle pressure. Hal will waste the money on Kiermaier and a bunch of no names though
Zombie Bukowski
Dodgers sign Ohtani. Continue to win the NL West and continue to get knocked out of the playoffs by wildcard teams
WarrenSpahn
Giants are too cheap to make a serious play for Ohtani. They will appear like they are in until the last minute to appease their dwindling base of Buster-Bumgarner-Bochy era diehard fans…
JackStrawb
“putting together a three-year run of excellence that is perhaps the greatest the sport has ever seen.”
—-This is nonsense.
Willie Mays beginning at 29 had five three-year sets (and three-year sets favor Ohtani, whose career numbers leave him far from the Hall) where he crushes Ohtani by rWAR. And Willie couldn’t be bothered to pitch—he simply used his glove position to tell the catcher which pitch to relay to the Giants’ pitcher.
Pitch-calling from 350 feet away while playing GG, all-time great CF in Candlestick?
Ohtani Shmotani. .
lee cousins
Yeah, everybody likes Otani except the price tag that comes with him. Has the M’s shown any interest in opening up their purse strings? The feast of speculation is what’s on the menu.