Two-way superstar Shohei Ohtani has just been a one-way superstar this season. He underwent Tommy John surgery late last year and hasn’t been able to pitch at all for the Dodgers. The club has long planned for him to focus on serving as the designated hitter while also rehabbing his elbow for a return to the mound in 2025, but it seems there’s a possibility of Ohtani at least doing some pitching in October. Manager Dave Roberts said in recent days that there’s a non-zero chance Ohtani pitches in the postseason, a situation that Bill Plunkett examined yesterday for the Orange County Register.
As noted by Plunkett, Ohtani has been gradually building the intensity of his throwing program throughout the year. He recently progressed to mound work and has thrown from the hill six times now, with his most recent session getting to 25 pitches and a velocity of 93 miles per hour. The next step will be Ohtani facing hitters in live batting practice, which will occur in the coming weeks.
Ohtani is almost at the one-year mark from his surgery, which was announced on September 19 of last year. Generally, coming back from UCL surgeries takes a bit longer than that, but it’s not unheard of for a guy to be returning on this sort of timeline. However, pitchers undergoing the normal rehab process don’t do so while serving as elite hitters. Ohtani is pushing towards an unprecedented 50-50 season, currently at 47 homers and 48 stolen bases. His overall performance is enough that he’s strongly in the mix to be named Most Valuable Player in a few weeks, all while he’s been undergoing his throwing program in the background.
“Maybe it’s a good thing that he has the ability to disconnect, compartmentalize and go hit and do all the things he’s doing on the offensive side,” pitching coach Mark Prior said. “Where normally as pitchers, you’re kind of ingrained with the same monotony. You can kind of get bogged down in some of the – every ache, soreness; good, bad, indifferent throw. Maybe it gives him a chance to actually be free and relaxed. But it’s still pretty impressive.”
Perhaps it shouldn’t be surprising that Ohtani’s rehab is remarkable, since that seems to be how he attacks every baseball challenge that comes his way, but it’s now going to put the Dodgers in position to make a difficult choice. As noted by Plunkett, the club has always planned to shut down the throwing program during the postseason but Ohtani’s progress might open the door for them to pivot. “We’re all going to circle up, but that’s right,” Roberts said, acknowledging that conversations are going to be had about changing the plans for Ohtani. “We’ll see. We’ll see.”
What happens in the next few weeks will surely depend on multiple factors. Ohtani will have to feel good physically without any notable setbacks, while he and his reps will naturally have to be comfortable with him returning to the mound before the winter is out.
The Dodgers will also have to keep playing long enough for Ohtani to become a factor, which would presumably become more likely if they stay alive deeper into October. Whether the Dodgers would try to stretch out Ohtani or simply have him pitch shorter outings from the bullpen is unknown and perhaps something they haven’t even decided upon yet.
The rotation could certainly use the help. The club has lost River Ryan, Emmet Sheehan and Dustin May to season-ending surgeries. Tyler Glasnow is on the injured list and probably won’t make it back this year. Clayton Kershaw and Gavin Stone are also on the IL with uncertain futures. Tony Gonsolin, like Ohtani, is trying to return from a Tommy John surgery late in 2023.
For now, the rotation consists of Jack Flaherty, Yoshinobu Yamamoto, Landon Knack, Walker Buehler and Bobby Miller, with each of those guys having some question marks. Flaherty dealt with back problems while with the Tigers, enough that the Yankees reportedly balked at acquiring him prior to the deadline, which allowed the Dodgers to swoop in and get a deal done. Yamamoto missed roughly three months due to a rotator cuff strain and only just came off the IL a few days ago. Buehler and Miller both have rough results on the year. Knack has some decent numbers but in just 56 major league innings thus far in his career.
Assuming Flaherty and Yamamoto stay healthy, that gives the Dodgers a solid one-two for a playoff rotation, but things get trickier from there. If Stone, Kershaw or Gonsolin can become factors in the next few weeks, that would obviously help.
So, too, would a healthy Ohtani, but it’s perhaps too much to ask for him to be fully stretched out. The Dodgers have a good chance of securing a bye through the first playoff round. They are currently two games behind the Phillies in the National League, but two games up on the Brewers for the second bye. In the division, the Padres are the closest club to the Dodgers at 3.5 games back. But even if they do get a bye and have that extra time, it may not be enough for Ohtani to be a realistic option for a starter’s role.
It’s not totally unprecedented for a club to deploy bullpen games in the playoffs, so perhaps there’s a chance the Dodgers decide to have Ohtani working as a bulk pitcher, hitting some sort of innings or pitch count limit while multiple other pitchers help with the rest of that game. This could effectively work as a sort unofficial rehab assignment, as he gradually builds his workload throughout the club’s playoff run. This would be a more extreme version of Yamamoto’s recent return, as he came off the IL without being fully stretched out. He only made two rehab appearances of two innings each before returning to the big league club, tossing 59 pitches over four innings on Tuesday.
If the Dodgers deploy Ohtani as a straightforward reliever, he could provide some value to the bullpen and it’s something that he at least has some small amount of experience with, memorably closing out the 2023 World Baseball Classic by striking out his then-teammate with the Angels Mike Trout. Ohtani had been working as a starter earlier in the tournament but came out of the bullpen for the final game rather than starting on short rest. He also had done a bit of relief work in Japan prior to coming over to MLB.
Though his track record as a reliever is short, there’s little reason to doubt that he could provide value in the role, as starting pitchers often move to the bullpen during the postseason and serve as difference makers. There are more off-days in the playoffs compared to the regular season, allowing managers to lean on their best pitchers more often and in different shapes than they do otherwise.
Of course, the Dodgers will have to weigh any short-term benefits against any long-term risk to Ohtani’s arm. He and the club agreed to a ten-year contract, with nine seasons still to go after this one. Ohtani previously underwent Tommy John surgery in 2018, so managing his health after a second major elbow surgery will be important for the Dodgers in 2025 and beyond. On the other hand, flags fly forever and the Dodgers haven’t hoisted after a full season since 1988. Expectations for the club are sky high after a decade-plus of dominance in the regular season but playoff struggles, so there might be a significant temptation to explore all options and leave everything on the table.
There are still many unknowns in the situation and it’s possible that it will remain fluid for the next six weeks. For now, it seems Ohtani will continue throwing and then he and the club will decide how to proceed as time goes on. “Shohei’s on board with just continuing his rehab process,” Roberts said to MLB Network Radio a few days ago about Ohtani coming back in the playoffs. (X link with audio). “And I wouldn’t put it past him to have an eye on that. And we’ll just see how it plays out.”
Brew’88
what could go wrong?
thebirds
lol.. rushed him, blows arm out, out for postseason.
I Believe We Can Win
Exactly what I was thinking.
In a season full of injuries to their pitching staff last thing Id do is put Ohtani out there esp on post season and risk him for 2025
Rsox
“What could go wrong?”
A third TJ surgery in 7 years since coming to America…
Anthony maresca
A 3rd TJS officially ends his pitching career and then Dodgers paid $700 million for a DH only player!
Rsox
They basically did anyway
Rexhudler86
Anthony maresca. He can play outfield and 1st base. If that happens. He most likely will come out of the pen, and he might suck. it usually takes two years to come back fully.
Rsox
He has less than one full game in the OF and has never played 1B in his career. When can we stop kidding outselves about Ohtani being a “two-way” player and just acknowledge that he’s a Pitcher that can hit better than he pitches, or flip side: a DH that can occasionally pitch when is elbow lets him
Rexhudler86
@rsox I’ll give you 1B. However your Wrong about the outfield. 56 games in 2013. Just saying he can do it if something happens with his arm. People like to discredit him for being a dh, and it’s because you can’t field and pitch at the same time.lol. the question to you is has anyone came close to being a top 5 pitcher, and hitter in the mlb or even a 50-50 player. There’s really not much he can’t do.
Rsox
56 games, in another country 11 years ago is not a strong defense for his ability. Remember since then he’s 11 years older, not 11 years better
Rexhudler86
@rsux he’s only 30. Lol. You asked a question and I answered that’s why people think he can play the field. There’s nothing to suggest he can’t, just doesn’t make sense currently. You also said he didn’t play even a full game in the outfield. he did play 8 as a angel. So try again.
Rsox
8 innings, over 7 different games. By that logic Tony Sipp was an Outfielder too because he played .1 of an inning in the Outfield in 2 different games
Rexhudler86
@rsox your logic is arson judge sucks as a right fielder, because he’s 32. He’s a dh, but he’s not David Ortiz, Edgar Martinez, or jd Martinez. He’s mobile with a big arm. The only reason he doesn’t do it because it’s not a easy thing to do let alone both, and no one has came close doing it.
Rsox
Using Judge as a comparison is illogical as Judge plays the OF everyday as opposed to people believing a player who has less than 1 full game in the grass in 11 years can just flip a switch and be good at it. Ohtani is a hitter and that’s fine, but lets not kid ourselves to thinking he is super human
letitbelowenstein
Just considering this move reeks of panic.
Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee
Dodgers’ goose is cooked. The lack of starting pitching is affecting the bullpen now. Just in time for the playoffs….
I Believe We Can Win
1 billion dollars doesn’t buy the depth it use to these days.
lowtalker1
Tell that to the rays, padres, royals,, every other team outside of them and the Yankees
Digdugler
quick, quick! Get him on the mound throwing 100 MPH as soon as possible
CravenMoorehead
Not sure if the Dodgers would want to take that gamble
Rexhudler86
His doctor that did both surgeries. Is also employed by the dodgers. He’s also the guy that’s having players come back after Achilles injuries in three months. I’m sure they have more knowledge about the situation. Plus he didn’t get a full Tommy john it’s either a internal brace or that and a clean up based on the doctor’s quote. Based on his recovery time probably just a internal brace.
No biggyo
Is it crazy to say 700mil is looking like a bargain?
Digdugler
He didnt get $700M, at least not in actual funds paid by team. The money is put in investments by the dodgers in the current years at current value and makes interest so it likely costs even less than the current value of contract to the dodgers in the long run (significantly less than $700M). And then there is inflation. So you look at the actual cost to the Dodgers which is deemed to be $46M a year and it could very well be a bargain for a perennial MVP.
A'sfaninLondonUK
@Dig
In three words then, the answer is “No, it isn’t”
kingbum
For this guy 700 million is a bargain for sure. To get a perennial MVP candidate and also a CY young winner on your squad these days…..I think it’s safe to say the combined value of the two contracts would be near or north of 700 million. I see Ohtani’s value as two superstars not one….
pinstripeblue
Hey he has won any Cy Young yet, so don’t get ahead of yourself.
kingbum
He will if he doesn’t completely blow his arm out first
Luis_Fazenda
No, he won’t. Blown arm or not.
fox471 Dave
Noboggyo: why no it isn’t.
Zerbs63
I doubt they use him to pitch in October. They said the same about Buehler last year, and Buehler still doesn’t look right this year.
Niekro floater
Wouldn’t that make for grand display of his talents in his 1st playoff experience coming back n pitching. Dudes about to be only member of 50/50 club, oh yea he’s got lights out stuff on the mound too. As long as he’s healthy n Dr’s are cool w/it, even if it’s just a shutdown inning here n there.
Yanks4life22
The saving grace for the Dodgers and Yankees is that there are literally no good teams in baseball right now. I don’t think one team in baseball today is even a playoff team 4-5 years ago.
An average to an above average is going to win the World Series because there isn’t anything past that. It is just anyone’s guess which one.
its_happening
Out of curiosity, why do you believe there are no good teams in baseball right now?
mlb fan
“Out of curiosity”…I’d agree with Yank’s statement, but I’d probably say that with the numerous young, inexperienced players debuting practically everyday, there’s no “great” teams.
The level of play has fallen quite a bit(in the last decade or so) in my honest opinion.
its_happening
It’s not a bad opinion, mlb fan. We have a historically bad team in the White Sox who’ve helped many teams, especially the ones in their division. Anaheim is bad too.
Moreover, it feels like the number of injuries hit an all-time high. Even if the numbers say otherwise. There are other factors too. I didn’t think his opinion was wrong but I wanted to find out his reasoning.
mlb fan
“Injuries hit an all time high”…It certainly feels that way. It’d be hard to convince me that this year isn’t a record number of Injuries. My eyes would disagree, despite what the numbers may say.
A'sfaninLondonUK
@it’s happening & mlb fan
Were the Giants 2010-14; a great team as an example? Certainly decent, but would you say 3 WS “worthy”?
Much though it pisses me off the Astros have been brilliant since 2015, which is a hell of a 10 year stretch & even they’ve only won two…
its_happening
A’sUK it’s an interesting question. Each team was somewhat different. Felt like they all got hot (Giants) at the right time, had 2-3 really good to great starting pitchers, some vets. Position player-wise, reminiscent of the 2019 Nationals in terms of the bench players and veteran leaderships.
If I had to pick a team right now, it’s Philly.
Rsox
If I’m the Yankees i don’t want to face Houston or Cleveland in a short series. If I’m the Dodgers I’d be wary of anyone considering they went 1-6 against 5th and 6th seeded teams the last two playoffs
mlbdodgerfan2015
Nobody knows who’s going to win. Since 2012, when at least 5 teams per league made the playoffs (and excluding 2020 COVID season since 8 teams per league made it), there have been 27 series with heavy favorites (meaning one team is 3 seeds or more better than the other). The worse seeded team has won 15 of those 27 series, or 56% of the time. That’s a crapshoot.
Ma4170
To me, this is the difference. The more teams in the playoffs, the more likely a superior team loses. If we had six teams in each league making it years ago i doubt we get the dynasties we saw back then.
CravenMoorehead
I got a feeling that the Royals might be this year’s Diamondbacks and make a deep run in the playoffs.
mlb fan
“I got a feeling”…I hope you’re right. If K.C can end the Yankees’ “Evil Empire” playoffs threat, they’d suddenly become my new favorite team. Go Royals!!..
P.S. Plus, it’s nice to see some new blood in the deeper round of playoffs every so often.
kingbum
I’m rooting for KC….a KC vs San Diego or KC vs Arizona world series would be hilarious, it will also show though that there’s more parity than it seems….
CravenMoorehead
Mlb fan –
I was born in the early 80s so I don’t remember the old days of the crazy Yankees/Royals rivalry but I watched some of those game highlights on youtube and it’s safe to say that both teams HATED each other lol
Brew88
Or, the Dbacks might be this years Dbacks
Teacher
Agree. You have the Phillies and everyone else. The pretenders such as the Yankees and dodgers have to many holes to be taken seriously.
Zombie Bukowski
The Yankees have been in a dog fight for the division all year. Extremely funny to insinuate they are a cut above any of the contenders in MLB let alone the other contender in their division.
Old York
Dodgers getting desperate. They seem cooked.
BlueSkies_LA
More like sportswriters getting desperate. If you actually listen to what Roberts said, the real answer is forget about it.
TJ5960
The logistics of his working out of the bullpen seem difficult. How will he warm up if he’s batting, or on base, or on deck? If he’s not due to hit and you send him to the pen to get warm, what do you do when a few guys get on base and his spot in the order comes up? If he gets warm in the pen, and then has to go in and bat and run the bases, do you send him out to pitch the next inning? Starting a bullpen game seems the most workable path.
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
I think with the revised “Ohtani rule” about a P/DH being allowed to continue to DH even after they stop pitching that the most logical scenario is that he pitches the first inning or two of a bullpen NLCS Game 7.
Oldguy58
I wonder what the odds of that happening were
Gwynning
*texting Ippei*
brewsingblue82
Well, although as a brewers fan I was hoping to get a wild card bye. The dodgers will likely have that going. Though it’d still be foolish to pitch him anyways. Even with their pitching staff getting thin, better to be cautious on that size of an investment.
C Yards Jeff
They bring him back to pitch as part of a bullpen by committee crew in a late late regular season game. The group throws a perfect game and he hits his 50th and steals his 50th.
draker
I have him as a starting pitcher in a keeper league and I am unfortunately, unable to authorize this.
Terry B
No way Dodgers risk that 700 million dollar investment for this post season! IMO there’s ZERO chance they risk blowing up his arm this year! Because if his arm requires surgery AGAIN, not only would you lose him as a pitcher but he wouldn’t be able to swing a bat either! So you lose your best hitter as well. They WILL refrain from pitching him until next season! Just a no brainer!
BlueSkies_LA
This is probably the first time I could not get completely through an article about the Dodgers. It is so much repetitious talk about nothing. The only reason this question came up is a beat reporter for the LA Times asked if Ohtani pitching in the postseason was possible, then wrote a rather silly column about how it just has to happen for no other reason than it makes for a good baseball storyline that writers like him like to write about. Meanwhile, back in the land of reality, a manager answering a question with “a non-zero chance” means the chance is not much greater than zero. See? Now you don’t have to burn up over a thousand words analyzing something that almost certainly will not happen. Instead of chasing storylines, how about chasing a story?
Gwynning
Encino Man pt. II
Blue Gets an iPhone
Rated R
Just par for the course in today’s journalism… unfortunately. Cheers Blue, get healthy for the run!
Rishi
To add to all this it makes no sense to come off tj and begin your season in the most intense, adrenaline filled games. It makes no sense to have this guy possibly feel like he is needed to do some crazy stuff because every pitcher on the team is on the IL. If he wants to do it and that’s what it is this is where you say “settle down Show Hay”. A reasonable organization should say…”No. He’s not pitching this year.” If it’s the bullpen that’s absurd too. He’s never even done that to my knowledge.
BlueSkies_LA
If you listen to what Roberts actually said, this was his answer. This is a completely synthetic story. None of what the Dodgers may or may not do comes from the Dodgers, it comes entirely from sportswriters.
Rishi
I did get that feeling. Not a 0% chance. I mean we just saw two position players pitch for LA the other day so can’t count anything out. But in fairness if it’s totally not happening the story was fed by Dave by leaving a chance.
BlueSkies_LA
In fairness baseball is an entertainment business and it isn’t the job of anyone in the game to quell speculation especially if it buys more eyeballs. It’s up to sportswriters to interpret what is being said and our responsibility to read and interpret ourselves. This article isn’t a great moment for MLBTR.
Brick House Coffee Tables Inc
He can possibly pitch the first inning in an elimination game if their pitching staff is decimated from the previous couple of games – for example they go down 3-2 and win an extra inning game 6 but have to throw their game 7 starter. That’s about it.
Mickey Solis
Hope they rush him and he reinjures himself. What greedy pigs the Dodgers are.
B-rocker
your anger will prove its own reward
fox471 Dave
You are a distasteful little hominid aren’t you, Mickey. Australopithecus Aferensis is my guess. Anyone else hazard a guess?
Dumpster Divin Theo
He’s an Australian? No shrimp on the barbie for you
letitbelowenstein
Not a Dodger fan, but your comment is asinine.
WestVillageTiger
It’s not like they can’t use the help…
solaris602
Have him pitch left handed! There’s nothing that man is not capable of doing.
swinging wood
That’s how Yu Darvish warms up sometimes. Now that’s another very talented young man.
chiefivey
lmao i will always laugh at the angels for having him and trout and not making the playoffs
Dumpster Divin Theo
Can he prepare dinner and sing a song as well? What can’t he do
jajacobs2
Pure panic move – wait u til next season.
swinging wood
And the Cubs have a “non-zero chance” of making the playoffs. Usually when that phrase is mentioned, it’s along the lines of winning the lottery at the same time as getting hit by lightning twice while having relations with [celebrity of choice].
Lanidrac
This sounds like the Dodgers are desperate for quality starting pitching in the playoffs rather than Ohtani being ahead of schedule in his recovery.
BlueSkies_LA
This sounds like you don’t know what is meant by a “non-zero chance.”
neoncactus
I hope they just let Ohtani and Gonsolin complete their rehab and not try to rush either back. Their bullpen is maybe the most well prepared part of the team for the postseason. Kopech, Treinen, Phillips, Graterol, along with Hudson and Vesia when they aren’t walking everybody, have shown they can handle the relief, so other than getting work, why would they really need Ohtani this year?
BlueSkies_LA
Stop making sense. Remember, it’s a non-zero chance. Practically as good a chance as you winning the Lotto.
Wren
11 runs to a lame marlin team while completely burning his bp for the remainder of the series. classic robots
Rays in the Bay
Dodgers have no one else to pitch! Then Ohtani will blow out his arm. Oh nooo
MLBTR needs to hire editors
“So, too, would a healthy Ohtani, but it’s perhaps too much to ask for him to be fully stretched out.”
Absolutely NO reason to have “too” between commas.