Today: The Blue Jays officially announced Turnbull’s one-year major league contract on Monday and optioned the veteran pitcher to the Florida Complex League to allow him time to build up his arm. To make room for Turnbull and fellow free agent signing José Ureña on the 40-man roster, the Blue Jays transferred Max Scherzer and Erik Swanson to the 60-day injured list. This pushes back Scherzer’s and Swanson’s return timelines to late May at the earliest.
Jon Heyman of The New York Post provides the financials of the Turnbull deal. It’s technically a salary of $1,265,306 but prorated to an even $1MM due some of the season having already transpired. The righty can also unlock bonuses worth $500K based on innings pitched, $100K each at 50, 60, 70, 80 and 90. He will also get $125K for spending 60 days on the active roster, $250K for 80 and 100 days, and $375K for 120 days.
May 3: The Blue Jays and Spencer Turnbull have agreed to a major league contract, as reported by Sportsnet’s Ben Nicholson-Smith and Shi Davidi. The right-hander went unsigned over the offseason after spending the 2024 campaign with the Phillies. His deal is pending a physical. Further details, including financial terms, have not yet been revealed.
Turnbull, 32, got off to a terrific start last season after signing a one-year, $2MM contract with Philadelphia. Through six April starts filling in for an injured Taijuan Walker, he pitched to a 1.67 ERA with 36 strikeouts in 32 1/3 innings of work. While no one would have expected Turnbull to maintain a sub-2.00 ERA, all of his underlying numbers were promising, including a 49.4% groundball rate, a 20.5% K-BB%, and a 3.37 SIERA. Nonetheless, in May, he moved into the bullpen, where he didn’t look quite as sharp. He gave up nine runs in 19 innings over his next 10 appearances. His strikeout and groundball rates declined, and his walk rate rose. His ERA jumped to 4.26, while his SIERA climbed to 3.80. Of course, those were still perfectly respectable numbers for a long reliever, and indeed, Turnbull pitched well enough to be reinstated in the starting rotation when Ranger Suárez suffered an injury. Unfortunately, his next stint as a starter would be short-lived. Turnbull exited early from his first start back in the Phillies’ rotation, never to return. He went on the injured list with a lat strain that ultimately ended his season.
All told, Turnbull finished the 2024 season with a 2.65 ERA and a 3.67 SIERA in 54 1/3 innings. That performance, along with his overall solid career numbers when healthy (4.28 ERA, 3.81 FIP in 67 career starts), was enough to earn him the final spot on MLBTR’s Top 50 Free Agents list this past offseason. Be that as it may, his checkered injury history, and therefore his limited MLB track record, were evidently enough to scare off teams from pursuing him. He was not credibly linked to any suitors this winter.
Yet, as pitcher injuries began to pile up almost immediately, teams that weren’t interested in Turnbull over the offseason may have changed their minds. The right-hander reportedly threw for teams in mid-March, according to Nicholson-Smith, but no deal materialized at that time. Several weeks later, he has finally landed a contract. While he may have to consent to an optional assignment so he can ramp up in the minor leagues, this is not a minor league pact. Barring another serious injury, he will pitch in the majors in 2025.
Just yesterday, Blue Jays general manager Ross Atkins told reporters (including Mitch Bannon of The Athletic) that the team had “a couple of things in the works” to shore up the team’s rotation depth “via free agency.” It’s easy to understand why Toronto was seeking outside help. Ever since Max Scherzer suffered a thumb injury during his first start of the season, the Blue Jays have struggled to fill the fifth spot in their rotation. Easton Lucas was surprisingly effective in his first two MLB starts before falling apart in his third and fourth. He has since been optioned back to Triple-A. Paxton Schultz seemed like a possible rotation option after his terrific big league debut; he threw 4 1/3 scoreless innings of relief with eight strikeouts. Yet, he wasn’t nearly as effective in his next relief outing. He, too, has since been sent down to Triple-A Buffalo.
Meanwhile, Yariel Rodríguez, who has moved into a bullpen role this season, gave up two runs in a mediocre inning of work in his first outing as an opener on Tuesday. Eric Lauer got the job done in his Blue Jays debut, tossing four innings to follow Rodríguez while giving up two earned runs on three hits. Still, considering that Lauer has not thrown more than 50 MLB innings in a season since 2022, it’s not hard to see why the Blue Jays wouldn’t want to rely on him too heavily. José Ureña, with whom the Blue Jays also agreed to a major league deal this morning, fills a similar niche to Turnbull as a veteran right-handed pitcher with experience both starting and relieving. Yet, he doesn’t offer nearly the same upside. Lastly, top prospect Jake Bloss has looked better in his last two starts, but his overall Triple-A numbers are poor (6.42 ERA and 5.53 FIP in 13 starts since joining the Blue Jays organization), and it wouldn’t be in anyone’s best interest to rush him to the majors simply because Toronto is out of other options.
Thus, Turnbull will provide the Blue Jays some much-needed starting pitching depth. If and when Scherzer makes his return to the rotation, Turnbull could also slide into a long-man role in the bullpen. Once his deal is official, the Jays will presumably offer more details about his eventual role and how long it will be until he’s ready to take the mound in the majors.
Nice under the radar move for the Jays here.
Can’t figure out why it took until May for some team to sign him. I wanted the Yankees to add him to replace one of Warren or Carrasco.
Known a-hole
I have gotten that vibe.
Based on what facts?
Turnbull was a good team mate @ Alabama, @ Tigers and @ the Phillies.
One episode where his agent blocked his DFA to AAA
when it was discovered that Turnbull was “pitching through an neck injury.
Agent filed a grievance.
Physical was ordered.
Results: Turnbull was indeed in jured.
Therefore, Turnbull could not be DFAed to the minor leagues by the Tigers.
Turnbull transferred to major league IL.
Not the player’s fault that he was injured.
Turnbull’s former Agent, Scott Boras, filed a MLBPA grievance to assert Turnbull’s rights against the Detroit Tigers whose new President of Baseball Ops, (Scott Harris) a few years ago, attempted to send Turnbull to the minor leagues in 2023 when Turnbull was injured.
In fairness, Scott Harris may not have known that Turbull was injured. Turnbull may have been pitching through a neck injury to try to reestablish himself in the Tigers rotation.
Turnbull brought up the injury when he was DFAed and/or his agent Boras intervened after talking with Turnbull.
In 2021, Spencer Turnbull pitched a NO HITTER for the Detroit Tigers v the Mariners.
In 2022, Turnbull was IL for the entire season with Tommy John surgery.
In 2023, Turnbull, coming off an entire year missed recovering from Tommy John surgery, The Tigers & Scott Harris tried to send Turnbull to the minors.
Turnbull says he was injured.
MLB players who are injured cannot be sent to the minors, but must go on the major league IL.
Turnbull’s agent at the time, Scott Boras, filed a grievance with the Major League Players Association on Turnbull’s behalf.
A physical examination was conducted.
Doctors report revealed that Turnbull was injured.
The Tigers/Scott Harris rescinded Turnbull’s DFA to AAA and put Turnbull on the IL as required by the MLBPA’s contractual agreement with MLB.
This situation, apparently, caused friction in the relationship between Turnbull, the Tigers and his agent Scott Boras that lead to Turnbull leaving the Tigers.
In 2024, Turnbull’s 2nd bid for a NO HITTER was broken up in the 7th inning while pitching for the Phillies.
Facts and Fact checking: revealed an unfortunate situation that should not lead to major league quality starter to linger on the free agent market all off season when Turnbull, when, health, has the skills to help may MLB teams who are in need of quality starting pitching: Angels? Orioles? Marlins? Pirates White Sox? Red Sox? Padres? Braves? Nationals? Tigers? Cubs? Twins? Royals? Brewers? Reds? NYY?
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youtube.com/watch?v=0_zYSsL70L8
Spencer Turnbull clinches NO HITTER versus Seattle Mariner in Seattle.
The Reds are doing fine in starters. Heck, they have Lowder coming back soon and Burns is probably almost ready. What the Reds need are a couiple pro hitters.
Most definatly can not hurt!!!
Yeah I wanted the Yankees to sign him also, it definitely didn’t make any sense that they didn’t.
Head case. He was doing fine in the Phils rotation, but lost his focus when Walker returned to the rotation. I understand that he prefers starting, but seemed to mentally check out once he was moved to the pen.
Cannot fault him. Guy knows the money is in starting. A future of multiple DFAs comes with being a long reliever.
And alternative facts if you have those as well, please.
There are no “facts” in here. This is all about our OPINION of baseball and the people that play it. You want facts? Go take a history course.
No offense intended. I was merely poking fun at @Dustyslambchops23.
I’m sorry. I shouldn’t have been so defensive. Sometimes I take these silly comments a little too seriously. No offense taken.
It’s so cute how you geeks talk to each other
For the record, I have dusty muted so it didn’t show his comment on my feed. It appeared to me as if you were replying to me.
Oh Busty, you rascal you!
How many facts are in history courses?
17,472 give or take a date or two.
Yes there are plenty of “facts” relating to the situation with Turnbull, the Tigers and what happened when he was injured and the team attempted to DFA him to AAA.
Please read posts above1
Do you have any facts to back this up?
There are Unknown Knowns, Known Unknowns, and Unknown Unknowns. The latter are the most problematic.
Really selling the Known Knowns short here. They didn’t even make your list!
Fresh arm and knows Hoffman not a surprise there. Good for them.
For those familiar with Turnbull, is there a specific reason(s) he couldn’t get signed anywhere for so long? Is it the stuff, attitude, or something? His numbers look okay. Jays needed to do something…so we shall see!
As a Tiger fan, my take has been that Turnbull has a certain “appreciation” of himself. The way he and the Tigers parted has been discussed ad nauseum. He hired Boras and appeared to not want to settle for anything other than a major league contract. He bet he could easily have signed any number of minor league deals with invites to prove himself in major league camps. He is out of options. Regardless of how he pitches from here, he will get his major league money.
My guess is he will be moderately successful for a while with the Jays. I compare him to another former Tiger, Tyler Alexander.
He and Harris had a spat over whether he was injured. Harris had to recall him from a minor league option, and put him on the IL. Then Turnbull filed a grievance over his time to FA, and Detroit conceded and released him. Pretty sure this is about how that spat played out. Harris blacklisting him?
You’re exactly right. Turnbull was getting roughed up and was demoted to the minors. Days later Turnbull claimed he was roughed up because he was injured. The Tigers had to bring him back up and place him on the major league DL. The Tigers were not happy because Turnbull never mentioned being injured until after he was sent down. He was good pitcher at times.
Spencer Turnbull, when healthy, definitely has talent and value to a major league pitching rotation.
Background story on Tigers POB Scott Harris optioning
Spencer Turnbull to the minors.
Turnbull’s agent, at the time, Scott Boras intervened because Turnbull was playing through an injury.
The controversy revolved around the Detroit Tigers’ decision to option Spencer Turnbull to the minors with a reported neck injury in May 2023, despite his previous no-hitter performance.
Scott Boras, Turnbull’s new agent at the time, intervened, and the Tigers ultimately reversed the option and placed Turnbull on the injured list.
The situation:
The Tigers initially planned to option Turnbull to the minors, potentially delaying his service time eligibility.
Turnbull, after reportedly being informed of the option, disclosed neck discomfort to the team.
The Tigers scheduled a doctor’s visit, and Turnbull was subsequently placed on the injured list after the injury was confirmed.
Turnbull’s agent, Scott Boras, played a role in expediting the medical review process.
Turnbull’s No Hitter with Tigers
And Almost No Hitter with Phillies
Spencer Turnbull, a right-handed pitcher for the Detroit Tigers, threw a no-hitter against the Seattle Mariners on May 18, 2021. This was the fifth no-hitter of the 2021 Major League Baseball season, and the eighth in Tigers franchise history. Turnbull’s no-hitter helped the Tigers win the game 5-0
With Phillies, Turnbull carried a no-hitter into the 7th inning against the White Sox on April 19, 2024, but ultimately allowed a hit in the 7th inning.
Agents and players are rightly concerned with “service time” issues to vest and protect their retirement benefits and pay since one catastrophic injury could be a career ending injury.
Service time, retirement and medical benefits must be protected from the players’ and agents’ prospective or the player having a catastrophic career ending injury may be SOL and/or not vest and/or qualify for the correct amount of benefits, if any, after many years of service in the minors and major leagues.
This is why players rely on their agents for pay, retirement and medical issues with their teams (so it protects their relationship with their team/employer(s)from going sour so to speak).
The Harris Boras, Turnbull situation and Turnbull’s injury history may have impacted Turnbull’s ability to get another major league job and kept Turnbull on the free agent board longer than necessary.
Was this AI generated?
No, Not AI.
And, I am not Spencer Turnbull, Not related to him and have never met him. I don’t work for any of his agents etc…
Sorry about the long post and redundancy on
the Spencer Turnbull’s posts.
I was multi tasking, working on other projects and the very short edit/correction function on MLBTR lead to some repeats here..
Wish MLBTR had a longer edit function that was on a 24 hour timer instead of the just minutes editing function currently on this site.
Hard to start, and go back and edit for busy readers/posters!
He blacklisted himself.
Mike Elias whiffs again!
Nothing to lose here for the Blue Jays. Watched just about every appearance he made last year for the Phillies and Turnbull was solid. They probably never should have removed him from the rotation.
I thought just a week or so ago, they were planning to go with a 4-man rotation?
Wished the braves would have gotten him. He is from Alabama and also played at the University of Alabama, slap dab in the middle of braves country. Any issues with “attitude” or “personality” shouldn’t even be a consideration considering we stayed true to Ozuna, and then signed verdugo. He would have helped this staff out a lot more than Bryce elder or any other scrub we might throw in there at the backend of the rotation.
Are they announcing his going on the IL at the same time?
Why didn’t the orioles sign him? They literally have a minor league rotation right now
I didn’t know a minor league rotation could shut-out the Royals…
Orioles saw how he treated the Tigers.
More like How the Tigers treated Turnbull.
Turnbull had a neck injury that was undisclosed
Tigers optioned him to the minors.
His agent intervened.
Turnbull was placed on the IL because of injury instead of being sent to the minors
Are you related to Turnbull?
Get real. Turnbull said nothing…NOTHING….about an injury until he was optioned to Toledo.
He finessed a trip to the IL instead of a trip to the minors where he could WORK to get his mojo back.
The Jays signing a player with upside? Nah, this is fake news.
Turnbull is a a good back end starter.
There are two issues with Turnbull: his health and his effect in the room.
I suggest the latter is going to be an issue at some point.
This is not a signing I would have done. Many other clubs feel the same way.
Dunno where you are coming up with this clubhouse problem with Turnbull?!
Turbull played with Alabama no complaints/problems.
Turbull played
Turnbull pitched for the Tigers in ’18, 19, 20, 21
with no complaints/problems.
2022 Turnbull IL did not pitch (I L )
Scott Harris hired 09/19/2022
2023 Turnbull coming off losing 2022 season to injury
Scott Harris DFA’s Turnbull to AAA
Turnbull neck injury discovered by physical
initiated by Turnbull’s former Agent Boras.
Harris stops DFA and puts Turnbull on IL.
I can understand a New President of Baseball Ops Scott Harris wanting to build his own roster, evaluate the Tigers roster and farm system he inherited and hand pick the holdover players he keeps for his New Front Office and Team.
But, Turnbull should be able to continue to build his MLB career without impediments and/or roadblocks set up by former teams etc..
AND/OR without “internet whispers” and/or water cooler chatter that may not tell the complete picture and entire story about a player.
Turnbull, when healthy, pitches like a top of the rotation starter.
Turnbull pitched a no hitter for the Tigers
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Turbull took a no hitter into the 7th inning for the Phillies.
Turnbull has talent, but he’s a clubhouse cancer.
There has never been any evidence that Turnbull had any problems in the Clubhouses in Alabama, Detroit, Phillie.
Turbull pitched a no hitter for the Tigers.
Turnbull got hurt.
Tigers/Harris tried to send him to AAA.
Agent intervened.
Medicals revealed Turnbull was hurt.
Harris then transferred Turnbull to IL
and rescinded transfer to minors.
Why is that Turnbull’s fault?
Turnbull has no clubhouse issues when he pitches well. Every major leaguer knows when you don’t you sometimes get sent back to the minors.
A lot of teammates see Turnbull exploit the rules when it’s his turn to go down. “No, no, no….not me. I’m hurt..”
My problem with ST is he is not honest with his employers and teammates. It’s just a fact.
This site won’t let me send you a thumbs up 👍🏻!
Turnbull was popular in the Clubhouses in Alabama and Detroit.
See Tigers teammates celebrating with Turnbull after Turnbull clinches his not hitter in Detroit.
There is a reason why Detroit would want to be rid of his attitude. You noticed the Philies didn’t want to resign him either. He doesn’t appear to get along with his teammates and he wears out his welcome. Can he still pitch in the majors? The answer is probably yes.
I don’t think he REALLY, REALLY loves baseball. He’s barely seemed like a guy who just wants to beat you….unless it’s in the contract department.
Never heard or read of any problem of Turnbull in the clubhouse. Only with the POBO Harris, when he was sent to the minors while injured. It is the only incident I know of with Turnbull. It is not the only dispute between Harris and a player.
Turnbull was starting and had a worse ERA than Maeda just had when the Tigers released him. Hinch didn’t want him either. He stunk. He needed to go to AAA and work. Turnbull is a prima Donna who thinks Toledo is beneath him.
Casey Mike went down , worked and now is a mainstay in Tiger rotation.
Spencer T is not team 1st. It’s obvious
Turbull was one of the better rotation options for the Tigers during a brutal rebuild.
He played through injuries under Avila and Harris.
Then, Turnbull’s reward for “taking one for the team” is to demote him to the minors?
Then, a medical exam demanded by his agent proves that Turnbull was in fact injured and
should have been put on the IL
instead of being demoted to AAA?!|
Blaming the player for a mistake Scott Harris made does not sit well with me.
Unfortunately, these forums have a lot of false
and misleading posts that fail to do any fact checking about the players the posts are trashing.
Maeda’s ERA 7.99 1.88 WHIP in ’25
Turnbull’s ERA 7.26 1.77 WHIP in ’23
( coming off Tommy John surgery in ’22)
Problem in ’23 was the Tigers did not give Turnbull the benefit of the doubt and did not ease him back into MLB coming off Tommy John surgery like is standard procedure for players coming off Tommy John surgery.
Just what are you basing your bad opinion of Turnbull on?
Turnbull got along fine with his Tigers teammates and had a lengthy stay in Detroit.
The problem started when a New Front Office tried to demote Turbull to the minors after he pitched a no hitter for the Tigers in May.
And, the Tigers had a marginal, struggling rotation at the time.
The Phillies had a “loaded” rotation and no room for Turnbull to start in Philly in ’25.
Turnbull prefers to start.
That is why the Phillies did not resign Turnbull.
Al Avila administration didn’t have any problem with Turnbull’s attitude.
Scott Harris can keep or let go any players he likes and
move more of the players he drafts into the farm and on the major league team because the new Front Office on any sports teams pick their own players to keep and/or let go.
But, it should not develop into a problem where it prevents a quality
major league starter from getting another MLB job.
Turnbull changed agents.
It should not be a problem going forward with Turnbull.
Boras does a very good job for his clients the players he represents.
Former clients/players that were repped by Boras
should not be prevented from getting MLB jobs
because an agent, at one time, did his job and aggressively asserted the rights of a player he formerly repped.
He seems to be all about himself. Surly and cantankerous. Possibly hates baseball. (See: Rendon, Anthony)
He’s possibly in the wrong line of work. With the name Spencer Turnbull, he seems better suited to be the prime minister of the United Kingdom.
On the Turnbull issue, your moniker seems to fit
(even though I realize it is a joke).
Turnbull pitcher a no hitter for the Tigers.
Turbull was optioned to the minors and then to the IL when it was discovered that he was hurt.
Turbull’s reputation was fine when he was with Alabama and during most of his tenure with the Tigers.
He is a winer not a winner. He can help you win some games but be ready for the negative side.
@WellMeant – The negative side being public intoxication?
How is public intoxication a negative?… Asking for a friend
@WBWR – Well, I am pretty sure that there is a negative aspect, but frankly am rather hazy on the details at this point. I have some vague recollection of a ride on a stolen police horse that didn’t end all that well…
So, if a young pitcher working hard to make the majors and stay there gets hurt, then he is a whiner?!
And, if he pitches through injuries and gets hurt even worse than he is an idiot for taking one for the team and pitching through injury?!
Can’t win with a perspective like that!
When are you going to get it through your head that Turnbull didn’t say he was hurt until AFTER he got demoted?
I know you don’t like Scott Harris, but you know….under Scott Harris the Tigers went to the playoffs last year and are the best team in the A.L. now.
And please don’t tell me about Al Avila and his great draft picks that are now carrying the team. Tell me about his great trades. Anybody here from the JD Martinez trade? Yeah, we have Jake Rogers for Justin Verlander. That seems fair.
Scott Harris is killing it as the Tiger GM.
Fact: Turnbull was pitching through injury
Fact many players trying to stay in majors and help their team pitch through injuries until they cannot.
Fact: I like Scott Harris’s work in SF and in Detroit.
Fact when the present or past Tigers Front office made good moves, then I complemented them.
When they made bad moves, then I called them on it.
Fact: MLB teams like the Tigers that required complete tear downs and rebuilds and any MLB Team for that matter that hires New Front Office personnel will have players drafted, traded and signed by both the Outgoing Front Office and the incoming Front Office. contributing to the present team or those players would have been traded or released,
Fact: Whoever is in the POB and GM chairs will get the credit for the prior Front Office’s players along with the present Front Office’s players that they drafted, traded for, developed, signed.
Fact: again, Harris is doing a commendable job in Detroit.
Special Credit to Harris for checking his ego at the door, keeping the players that Avila drafted and traded for that were long term building blocks of the Tigers present contender and adding his own players to the mix to speed up the Tigers rebuild and avoiding a complete 2nd teardown and rebuild like the White Sox have experienced.
Fact: Detroit Tigers Players Al Avila drafted, signed, traded for include:
RHSP Jackson Jobe, Reese Olson, Sawyer Gipson-Long, Kerry Carpenter, Tarik Skubal, Colt Keith Beau Briske, Reiley Green, Spencer Torkelson, Jake Rogers, Casey Mize, Parker Meadows, Jace Jung, Ty Madden, Brant Hurder, Troy Melton and more.
Fact: Like all GMs, some of Avila’s trades and draft picks did not pan out.
Fact: It was time for Avila to move on.
Fact: I supported the hiring of Harris
Fact Harris will be criticized constructively also.
No one bats 1,000 in player acquisitions.
Fact: Ryan Garko VP of Player Development hired by Al Avila
was a huge find and is working out great for the Tigers.
A tip of my cap to Scott Harris for recognizing the talent of Garko and some of the Avila acquired players and keeping them, building on that foundation to
skip the teardown and move to a faster “retooling option”
that has made the Tigers a legitimate long term contender,
How long does Max Scherzer continue dunking on MLB GM’s each winter?
Good grief ….I suppose he still has a year with the Angels hidden in his bag deep if times call for it
David Robertson is the last man standing on MLBTR’s Top 50 FAs.
Commas around “too” are wholly unnecessary.