Commissioner Rob Manfred created quite a bit of buzz around the baseball world last week when he made comments on ESPN’s Sunday Night Baseball last weekend that suggested the league’s desired expansion to 32 teams could be coupled with a dramatic realignment of MLB’s current structure.
“I think if we expand, it provides us with an opportunity to geographically realign,” Manfred said on the broadcast. “I think we could save a lot of wear and tear on our players in terms of travel. And I think our postseason format would be even more appealing for entities like ESPN, because you’d be playing out of the east and out of the west.”
The possibility of MLB following in the footsteps of other American sports, like the NBA and NFL, by adopting an eastern/western conference layout as opposed to the current AL vs NL structure is certainly an interesting one. Fans of teams on the east coast and even in the midwest have long bemoaned the late night games associated with west coast road trips, and Manfred’s suggestion that a geographic realignment could lessen the burden of travel on players throughout baseball’s marathon schedule is difficult to argue with. Fans have little reason to care about the desirability of postseason games for broadcasters like ESPN and FOX, but both Manfred’s comments and simple common sense would indicate that possibility will be highly appealing to the league, as well.
Of course, the downsides to a potential geographic realignment are obvious. Baseball is a sport steeped in history, and the loss of the AL/NL structure would necessarily complicate our view of that history. Had the league moved away from the AL/NL structure previously, would Aaron Judge’s chase for 62 home runs in 2022 have been nearly as noteworthy? Without a division between the two leagues, Judge would simply be seventh on the single-season home run leaderboard, rather than the AL record holder. And that’s before considering the possibility of lost rivalries. There’s several ways that MLB could look to realign geographically, but many proposals (including one from Mike Axisa of CBA Sports) would split up historic rivalries like Cubs/Cardinals and Dodgers/Giants. That would be a tough pill to swallow for those teams, who view their longtime rivalries as a key part of their team’s culture and history.
On the other hand, the distinction between baseball’s two leagues has been eroding for years now. The NL has adopted the designated hitter rule, the All Star game no longer determines home field advantage in the World Series, and the schedule has been altered so that every team plays every other team in at least one series per season regardless of league. That amount of inter-league play would guarantee that even rivalries split by this geographic realignment, like the Cubs and Cardinals in Axisa’s proposal, would still play each other on occasion. It’s also worth noting that many interleague rivalries, such as Mets/Yankees and Cubs/White Sox, would benefit from more games on the schedule each year if they were to be pushed into the same conference by geographic realignment.
Realignment on some level is inevitable, as with 32 teams it would be impossible to create six even divisions. Still, that doesn’t mean the AL/NL structure must be lost entirely. Stephen J. Nesbitt of The Athletic was among those to propose a realignment structure that would preserve the status quo for the most part, with only a handful of changes to the current structure as both leagues would move from three divisions of five teams to four divisions of four teams. Under Nesbitt’s plan, the Rockies and Rays would swap to the AL and NL respectively, but all other teams would remain in their current league and no historic rivals would be divided. Of course, maintaining what fans appreciate about the current structure would also mean maintaining many of its frustrations; late night games for fans on the east coast whenever their club takes a road trip out west, and a more much more extreme travel schedule for the players.
How do MLBTR readers feel about the possibility of geographic realignment coming to the majors? Would changing the league’s current structure so drastically detract from the sport’s history for little benefit, or with the leagues already more similar than ever is a major shakeup worth if it improves travel- and timezone-related experience for fans and players alike? Have your say in the poll below:
It’s a profoundly stupid idea.
Why?
Baseball history. Which matters.
Horace – History is already written. It can’t be changed, so no worries. The future, however, presents the opportunity for new chapters in the evolution of the game. Change is inevitable. The game will still be the same no matter how the teams are lined up.
The pitcher hitting is gone. That was one of the biggest barriers to realignment. Teams have swapped leagues and cities specifically plenty of times. I wouldn’t hate some realignment if it made sense.
Agreed, but the game has been adjusted literally hundreds of times. This isn’t a pro-East/West comment, to be clear.
If it’s not broke, don’t fix it. Plain and simple.
Luke – There’s been enough change in the last few years. Let’s let it rest a while.
Horaceallen
“Baseball history. Which matters.”
But it’s not the only thing that matters
Good for the owners, it won’t happen unless that’s the case.
horaceallen said it perfectly!!! History matters!!! No matter what else happens with realignment or travel issues, the same problems are still going to be there!!!
The Yankees/ Red Sox still play 13 times a year, and this year stands as a prelude to that rich history the Red Sox are truly making the most of it this year with a 8-2 record against the Yankees just like in ’03-’04!!!
Baseball under Manfred has had no plan. Every change has been a reaction to “save the game,” or MORE ACCURATELY, help the owner’s wallets grow.
I am for realignment only because all the AL/NL specifics are no more. More geographic games would better the sport in the long run. That said, limiting MLB to 32 and stopping is profoundly stupid, and again NO PLAN, but simply a reaction. Consider ACTUALLY growing the game, growing the league, and being better because you can, not just because you’re a part of a longstanding tradition.
Luke – Where does it end? Will they lobby for 7-inning games to relieve the “stress” on the tender millionaires?
css
“Baseball under Manfred has had no plan. Every change has been a reaction to “save the game,” or MORE ACCURATELY, help the owner’s wallets grow.”
This is very much a plan. And really the only plan they should be expected to follow.
RE:letit
Always hilarious when Joes question the physicality of the pros
Ask the players. They would love to travel less far and spend less time in the air.
If you look back at history, most visionaries were viewed unfavorably for their ideas in the moment. However, when we look at history, we celebrate the progressive changes made by these people.
Stop holding onto the past. Move forward.
Did you just say Manfred is a visionary?
JUJH-
I hear you. But Adam Silver has lead the NBA with progress and innovation. Just because baseball is “old” doesn’t mean it has to stay that way. Much like the Savannah Bananas (though that level of “creativity” isn’t what I want for MLB – but the kids are loving it), and your screen name (which is fantastic btw).
Luke – By doing away with American/National, you’d be destroying everything tied to the individual leagues.
A few years ago Judge breaking the all-time AL single season homerun record was a huge deal ….. by ditching the AL and NL, all the NL and AL records would be gone and his accomplishment would have been rendered meaningless. Breaking records is a very popular aspect of baseball, by doing away with the NL and AL you’d be doing away with a whole lot of records. Nobody wants to start over with “Eastern” and “Western” records.
Same thing with All-Star Game, all NL and AL stats and records would be gone.
Same with career league stats, league championships … all would be destroyed if the AL and NL ceases to exist.
Same with league awards.
Here’s the thing, I am fine with realignment …. but it doesn’t need to require renaming the leagues. And it absolutely shouldn’t.
No. NY fans would love another all NY WS and I would imagine other fans remembering the Royals vs Cardinals in 85 or East Bay viewers (if Oak was still there) would love another WS. Imagine Cubs vs White Sox, etc. Those are lifetime memories.
They’re multi-millionaires and spoiled rotten already. They can afford to spend time in the air.
What they are doing is breaking the game in order to force change. That is why we have an idiotic schedule where everyone plays everyone. More divisional games, like before, is far more interesting, and is a better system to determine a division winner. As a Met fan, I get nothing from playing the Mariners, Rangers, or Angels. Would rather see more games against the Braves and Phillies.
Oh really? Is the game the same as it was 10 years ago? 20 years ago? It isn’t. Too much change isn’t good. You wind up not recognizing what you started with. And if history doesn’t matter, you lose the ability to measure players against players from other generations.
Dewey – Skill aside, the chances of any two AL/NL teams meeting in the WS are 1 our of 225. We cannot KEEP things the way they are in hopes of these things happening. More NY/NY match ups, NYM/BOS, PHI/NYY, etc. is better for the regular season. Things we CAN MAKE happen. — All that aside, I’m fine with 4 conferences of 8, and then the playoffs all being more like the FIFA World Cup, so they cross conferences…and then we could actually end up with the best 2 teams in the WS, no matter what division/conference they are in.
JDT – “What they are doing is breaking the game in order to force change” – I’m an old-head, and I don’t disagree with you. BUT, MLB isn’t going “backwards.” They are (or should be) trying to get the sport more in front of the kids. And more local match-ups are the right way to do that. So changing it up…but to “go back” to playing geographically specific teams more…NY/BOS, NY/NY, NYM/BOS. BOS/PHI…this is a good idea. (Also removing the pitch clock so that Batting Averages go back up….but that’s a different conversation).
And if they played 19 games against like before the yanks would be out of the wildcard…
“Always hilarious when Joes”…It’s also pretty funny, when someone who never played the game uses the “he never played the game” argument.
Six divisions is a short history and one that included four five team divisions, a six team division, and a four team division. Some history is dumb and should be changed.
Agree, play more games within division, like old days, swap Rays and Rockies for logistical travel reasons, keep AL/NL as is, also 2nd keep rivalry games, Mets/ Yanks- Cubs/ White Sox going…Rays/ Marlins, Reds/ Guardians, among others…By keeping regional rivalries going, you’ve solved many travel issues… possibly tweak current divisions with expansion teams… NASHVILLE IN NL with Southern teams, PORTLAND IN AL with Seattle, Sacramento/ Vegas….
No – the AL and NL Records and history will not be gone. Just like the old pre-division (before 1969) era, and the East/West division era (when the Braves were the unconscionably placed on the NL West). As a kid we all knew that there were 2 sets of records – AL and NL. So what? There could be East and West records. Some of us still hold our noses as Bonds (Cheater) is recognized as the single season and all time HR king. Regional league/divisional alignment has not hurt the other 3 major sports. Anyone who claims to be a baseball purist would have to take us back to 100% day games, no lights, double headers, train travel, the reserve clause and all the rest. In 20-40 years there may be 40 MLB teams – and who knows which cities will make up the next 10? You can’t fight progress, but you can manage it. Fear not!
Coach-I respectfully disagree. What makes NY/NY and NY/Bos matchups so intense is the fact that they don’t happen very often. Once the novelty wears off, it won’t be any different than any other match up. What is more important are division races, and wild card races. More division games is far better. Give the fans more opportunity to fight it out with division rivals, and you’ll see even more people start watching. If you want young people seeing the sport, you need the older folks to bring them t it. And if you turn off the older folks, you lose the path for the younger generation.
In the past, yes.
Because there’s no actual value in doing so. Not only do you not need to can the AL/NL system, it would be pretty easy to expand to 32 teams with only minor divison changes.
They don’t even know where the expansion cities are going to be or when it’s going to happen. They are definitely putting the cart before the horse bringing this ludicrous idea.
Keep AL & NL but switch some teams. I’d like have four 8-team divisions where only division winners get a 1st round bye.
NL West
San Diego
Los Angeles Dodgers
Los Angeles Angels
San Francisco
Arizona
Athletics
Seattle
Salt Lake City/Portland
NL Central
Colorado
Minnesota
St. Louis
Kansas City
Chicago Cubs
Chicago White Sox
Milwaukee
Pittsburgh
AL South
Houston
Texas
Miami
Tampa Bay
Cleveland
Cincinnati
Atlanta
Nashville/Charlotte
AL North
New York Yankees
New York Mets
Philadelphia
Boston
Baltimore
Washington
Toronto
Detroit
Play 14 games each vs. 7 other in-division teams
(98 games)
8 games each vs. 8 other in-league teams
(64 games)
No inter-league play to restore unique matchups in World Series and All-Star game
On the same page, but mine gets rid of the leagues and continues playing every team. 84 games in division, 72-78 games outside. Or 91 games in division, 72 games outside (extra game in baseball season!)
That’s a genuinely interesting proposal, Angelo. I like it.
32 is not divisible by 6.
Swap Cleveland and Kansas City, and it might make more sense.
Not bad. But I would put the Ohio teams in the AL North and Baltimore and DC in the AL South.
Love what you did here, Angelo! I wonder if a variation on this would work where teams rotate through the 3 other divisions, kinda like the NFL does with the opposite conference. Then everyone would still get to play a home series with every other team over a 3-year span.
Angelo’s model implies more 4-game series, which would result in fewer cities to visit – that also would contribute to cutting down on travel.
Angelo, that’s great. As others have suggested, slight tweaks. Pittsburgh, Cleveland and Cincinnati in the AL North, Detroit in the NL Central, and Baltimore and DC in the AL South. And I LOVE no interleague play.
AiSD
“No inter-league play to restore unique matchups in World Series and All-Star game”
I have to wonder if people like this go to games ever?
Like what’s the benefit to making it harder for people to ever see a certain player play?
“Well, in my plan if you live in New York, you’ll never get to see Ohtani play live”. Great strategy.
Swap KC and Cincinnati maybe.
Tampa & Athletics are currently playing in minor league stadiums. Vegas will have more locals working the games than attending. Let’s not get too far ahead of ourselves.
Only thing I would change is swap the pairing of Houston and Texas with Milwaukee and Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh is in the only team in the Eastern time zone that you have in the West. In fact they should probably be swapped with Detroit into the most Eastern division.
You have to factor in time zones because that matters for game start times. It’s unfair for local fans to have such a major swing between home game start times and road game start times. That lack of stability is the quickest way to lose a casual fan of the team.
Seamaholic: he didn’t block it out right, but he has 8 in each..
St. Louis and Cincinnati as well.
NJ20: you can’t take Baltimore or DC out, it would be better to take out Detroit and Toronto
Cleveland makes no sense as a southern team
Geographically, I disagree. Baltimore and DC are more south than Cleveland, Detroit and Toronto. Cincinnati is just as south as Baltimore and DC; however you have to keep Cincy in the same division as their interstate rival. Same goes with Baltimore and DC; you have to keep them together in the same division. They are a stone’s throw away from the old mason dixon so that’s why I say put them in the south. I realize they are close to Philadelphia and NY; but we have to draw the line somewhere.
It’s a good point. As an old NL fan and I remember the excitement of finally getting to see AL players in my town. Interleague has lost a lot of that magic in the near 30 years since but I understand wanting to see every superstar play in person. The All Star game has never been as exciting since, but it’s just an exhibition so whatever.
So if keeping interleague, try to reduce its importance. Get most if not all of the interleague matchups over with in the first half and play strictly division rivals in the last month or two.
@Darkside; Yep, do Nesbitt’s plan but switch HOU with TBR so that both the FL & TX teams aren’t in the same division. If TBR moves, San Antonio and Salt Lake City (presuming they lose out to Portland) would be perfect locales to move to and still fit in the division. 5 of the 8 divisions would have little travel when playing division rivals. Expand playoffs to 16 teams with no byes (MLB will want the extra money.
METS – You aren’t wrong. But look at all of us talking about it. They are doing something right.
This plan is no more or less arbitrary than any other. Inter-league is never going away. And why? Who doesn’t like to see the best hitters of one league face the best pitchers in the other. Decades ago, never got to see most HOF hitters face the HOF pitchers in the other league – other than in the WS. Or watch them play in your local ballpark. Why not go back to day baseball and train travel while we are at it? Nope!
While you are probably right, the owners might like this realignment idea. So we might get it whether we like it or not.
The owners don’t care what we fans want as long as we spend the money. That’s why we got an NL DH, the ghost runner in extra innings, etc. If the fans don’t boycott the games when they don’t like something, they will continue to do so..
Do you want the Dodgers to win the pennnant every year? Because that’s what will happen if you make their only competition the AL west and sprinkling in some central division teams. The East coast is where the other big spenders are and putting them all together is a terrible idea
I’d imagine owners would push for cap/(higher?) floor with this realignment as it would likely involve less travel time for all big leaguers.
amk
Yes. The league wants the Dodgers, the most or second most, popular team in baseball, in the playoffs every year
Toronto will be in the Canadian division and won’t play anyone
To a degree you are right., but there are still great players in MLB, NFL and NBA. I remember my dad (who was a huge Braves fan, me as well) saying it got harder for him to watch the games because the players he was used to watching moved to other teams or retired. So it might not be that players are not as good, your feelings might have changed about sports. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Four eight-team divisions. Second and third place play in Wild Card round.
Divisional round, then semis seeded by record.
Pacific
Angels
Dodgers
Padres
Giants
Dbacks
Mariners
Athletics
Expansion
Central
Rockies
Twins
Royals
Brewers
Cardinals
Cubs
White Sox
Nashville
East
Blue Jays
Red Sox
Phillies
Yankees
Mets
Pirates
Guardians
Tigers
South
Marlins
Rays
Rangers
Astros
Braves
Reds
Orioles
Nationals
Let’s say expansion in Pacific or West is Salt Lake City.
It would be easier to have 8 4 team divisions. Less movement would be needed.
Yeah, I think that is more likely.
Except you run the risk of a division winner being under .500. See 1994.
Not a valid talking point as the season was abandoned in August.
Or see NFL.
They could add a stipulation that if a division winner finishes below .500 they would be replaced by a 3rd wildcard. Or just let it happen… it would still be rare enough that it would just be a fun historical footnote.
8 4-team divisions reduces the number of times the Central Time Zone teams have to try and broadcast 9pm starts to their local audience when compared to 4 8-team divisions.
In the 1969 NL realignment, Atlanta and Cincinnati were in the NL West because Chicago and St. Louis basically refused to play that many games in LA/SF/SD.
A few tweaks make sense. Putting the Phillies and Pirates in the same division makes sense. The Blue Jays have more in common with Cleveland and Detroit.
Next brilliant idea from Manfred and co will be to have the players start playing with pads and a helmet, and change the ball to a more elongated shape……
They already wear a helmet
Players will wear head to toe football armor. HBP will not be enforced anymore because of this. But knowing how the players are, they will still charge the mound even covered in protection. If they do this they should return to the rule that a runner is out if he is hit by a fielder’s throw.
2 new teams: Portland and Nashville
Still have AL and NL, 4 divisions of 4 teams each:
AL:
East: Tor, Bos, NYY, Bal.
Central: Cle, Det, Chi-W, Min
Mid-West: Hou, Tex, KC, Col
West: Sea, L.V., LAA, Ari
NL:
East: NYM, Phi, Wash, Mia
Mid-East: Pit, Cin, Atl, TB
Central: Mil, Chi-C, StL, Nash
West: Port, SF, LAD, SD
Rockies and Diamondbacks relocate to AL. Tampa Bay relocates to NL.
2 new teams are added to NL.
It keeps all Traditional Rivalries
Crosstown Interleague Rivalries:
Yankees v Mets
Jays v Phillies
Red Sox v Braves
Orioles v Nats
Pirates v Guardians
Tigers v Reds
Cubs v White Sox
Twins v Brewers
Cards v Royals
Mariners v Port (Lumberjacks?)
Athletics v Giants
Angels v Dodgers
Padres v DBacks
Rangers v Nash (Stars?)
Trashtros v Rays
Rox v Fish
Which means, according to precedent of the last decade or so, it is 100% going to happen.
I support increasing the league to 32 teams and creating two NL divisions with eight teams each and two AL divisions with eight teams each. Top two teams in each division make post season plus two wild cards. Top team in each division gets a bye.
NL East
Mets
Phillies
Miami
Washington
Atlanta
Chicago
St. Louis
Pittsburgh
NL West
Los Angeles
San Diego
San Francisco
Arizona
Colorado
Cincinnati
Milwaukee
Expansion team NL
AL East
New York
Boston
Toronto
Baltimore
Tampa
Detroit
Chicago
Cleveland
AL West
Anaheim
Sacramento/Las Vegas
Houston
Texas
Seattle
Kansas City
Minnesota
Expansion team AL
Cincy in the NL West – playing a majority of road games 3 time zones away? Try again!
Cal Tiger
Had to mess one or two teams’ time zones, and the Reds and Dodgers historically had a great NL West rivalry.
Who would you swap with Cincinnati?
Did that before, not going back to the western division.
Ask the players – the workers.
It’s Manfred. Playing with his toy again.
If the rules for AL and NL were still different, I would 100% agree. However, unfortunately now, there is no difference between the leagues and every team plays every team, which ruins not only the ASG, but also further differences between the league. I personally hate that the WS contestants have faced each other that year.
Since there is no difference, grouping by geography makes sense for a variety of reasons. Mainly travel. Personally I would rather see more rivalry games. Even being a Phillies fan in Colorado, I really don’t have an interest in the Phillies playing West Coast teams> I’d rather watch more games against the Mets, Orioles, Yankees, etc. Plus, that grouping puts many of the big spenders in the same division.
Less travel could lead to more double headers (I miss those).
Lastly, many of the Rivalries can stay intact (BOS/NYY, PHI/NYM, STL/CHC, LAD/SFG,) and it could lead to some new ones like Portland/Seattle or TB/MIA.
At thi9s point, Manfred has bastardized the game enough that that the history doesn’t matter so much as what makes sense and now, with all the changes, relaignment makles perfect sense, sadly.
Let’s be honest the only reason MLB wants this is so it can sell the idea of less travel to the players. So MLB can implement a salary cap
Geographic alignment preserving original AL NL squads seems okay. But disbanding the leagues? No way.
The leagues are disbanded by interleague play. The DH should have been eliminated instead of spread to the N.L. MLB has been turned into the A.L of the DH. The N.L. is gone.
The game has no character now. If there is no offense after three innings it’s a wrap as far as watching the rest of the game. Without the pitcher needing to hit there is nothing to think about except pitch counts.
B O R I N G
Hamster running on a wheel in the aquarium.
What’s boring is 1/9 of every lineup being an automatic out. Im an NL fan and I never want to go back to pitchers hitting.
NL (Cubs) fan since the 70s, and I was *very* against the DH coming to the NL. But, like you, I’ve done a total 180. I don’t ever want to have the air sucked out of a game because the pitcher comes up to bat.
Exactly. Only the boomers thought it was entertaining to watch the pitcher strikeout at the plate 3 times and then get pinch hit for by a fringe big league bench warmer in the 7th just to strikeout as well.
100% You could lose a pitcher to an injury, which would mean losing that investment for no good reason.
Never seen it happen. Every non-arm injury I’ve seen a pitcher get was while he was pitching.
I used to be the same way, but I am coming around. I really like the old NL style of ball though. Speed, bunting, “get’em on, get’em over, get’em in. I wishg more emphasis was put on that style of play. It seems like contact and using outs to move runners has given way tot he three true outcomes and that in itself is making the game boring in my opinion.
It’s the DH. Bunting and moving the runner over is for the pitchers who can’t hit.
Pitchers who can hit provide that team with an advantage.
Imagine every game not being the same, changing from day-to-day.
Way to attack boomers
You realize strikeouts are higher now?
I miss double switches, and the decision making that NL managers had to make. Do I pinch hit for my pitcher who is pitching well, but game is tied 1-1 and now have a 2 out rally going. Or when a pitcher had two outs in an inning and started to struggle do they take him out and have to burn another pitcher for 1 out knowing they are going to pinch hit for the pitcher next inning.
Actually there were several. Biggest was Sandy Koufax injuring his arm on offense and having to retire after back to back cy youngs (just 30 years old)
Pitch counts trumped the pitcher having to hit a long time before the DH came to the NL full time.
The double hook would be one of those rules to immortalize Manfred along with the pitch clock.
The pitch clock is GREAT. The game flows more like it did in the 70s and early 80s. Remember the immortal Human Rain Delay that was Mike Hargrove? By the 2020s, his routine would have been considered “fast”. LOL And it wasn’t just the hitters. Remember Kelvin Escobar? Dude used to take a meandering stroll behind the mound after every pitch.
*Steve Trachsel. Averged over 30 seconds between pitches. Brutal to watch.
LOL. Your comments make no sense. You lament that if there is no offense after 3 innings its a wrap? What even does that mean? Yet you propose that the DH should have been banned altogether… sure, replacing some of your best hitters with .090 lifetime hitters will CERTAINLY set new offensive records!! In futility!
Yes, pitchers can hit. It only took 100 years for Ohtani to show up after Ruth. All the pitchers in between… as hitters… collectively SUCKED. And you can look it up.
The main benefit for the NL of the “no DH” rule was to give them a huge advantage in the WS because AL pitchers had zero chance at the plate (or on the bases) AND the AL’s best hitters were forced to the bench or onto unfamiliar fielding assignments.
The number of DH’s in MLB who I want to watch hit is less than the fingers of one hand.
Are you Rowdy Tellez’s mom?
@Heels – I’m just glad to see someone else say the DH should have been abandoned. I get why they did it. But BA’s are .245 this year. So…what’s a stinky pitcher hitting at this point. Not to mention we all LOVE Ohtani…we’d actually love to see more pitchers get good at hitting, rather than keeping the 26th man on the roster to pitch every the last 4-5 innings of a 8 run blowout every 3 days.
Catch one of these DH supporting militants flat footed and name each MLB team pausing for them to name that team’s DH. Other than Schwarber and Ohtani they will be stumped.
The game is changing and evolving. You can’t name 8 starters by position on most any team today. You can’t name a team’s starting rotation for >4 weeks straight any more, either. No one cares who the DH is on a given night … any DH is still better than watching pitchers flail away at the plate. If pitchers could hit, the manager would put them in the lineup without a DH. “You cannot be serious” – John McEnroe
The AL and NL were disbanded in 1999 when they combined into one MLB office. They are leagues in name only and are functionally just conferences now. They could simply still use those names in the new alignment. Just like they did under the myriad of other realignments we’ve seen in recent years.
Bring it on.
If Commissioner Dummy wanted to lessen travel, how about less east/west interleague games? What’s the purpose of the Pirates going to Seattle, or Anaheim going to Atlanta?
“And I think our postseason format would be even more appealing for entities like ESPN”
Musn’t forget, he’s ESPN’S bit$h.
Just days after the celebrations of ESPN being gone had begun.
After waking up some days I don’t even get 20 minutes into my day without reading about money perverting some once-great-thing to the point of ruining it.
Interleague games are good for baseball because you get to see all of these teams you don’t know much about
I would personally like less interleague games in august and September because that’s when division standings matter
Maybe do it kind of like college football where it’s cool new teams in the beginning and divisional games at the end
That’s why I think Leagues and divisions need to go. Fans used to only see the teams in their divisions like 20 times a season and the other division teams like 6 times. With every team playing every team. you get a better idea of which teams are actually good as opposed to which teams just play well against their division. Also teams stuck in a division that has 4 great teams (and you are not one of them) have much less of chance of getting to the playoffs. Fans of a particular team may not care, but general baseball fans would like to see more teams than just the same ones every year make the playoffs because of divisions.
What’s the purpose? The balanced schedule, which has devalued the traditional rivalries. Last weekend’s Yankees-Red Sox series was only the 3rd of 4 this season.
“Only” lol yes it definitely never gets old seeing them together with nothing at stake in May
How about all 162 games are Yankees vs Red Sox!
Good, traditional rivalries are overrated. anyway. I’d rather see 6 games a year against every team than 20 games a year against the same teams just because of divisions.
Dumb but as a jays fan getting outta the AL east and reigniting a rivalry with the tigers would be so much fun
@bigdaddy 1987 was great for tigers fans. Not so much for Jay’s fans. The last week of that season was about as wild as it gets.
As a life long tigers fan I can say the tigers shouldn’t have won the AL East that year. If it makes you Jay’s fans feel any better the tigers promptly did a face plant in the ALDS against the twins. I agree with you though, it would be nice to see that rivalry back.
@bigdaddyt – I love realigning teams on a map just for fun (it’s a flaw for no reason). And if the league went to 36 (or at least had a plan to), there is a beautiful way that we get 2 Ohio teams, Detroit, Toronto and one more (Pittsburgh? Montreal?) in a division together…and it would be wonderful.
No, no and no.
Anyone who says ‘yes’ likes Rob Manfred/owners/investments (JoeBrady, et al.)
Anyone who says ‘no’ likes baseball.
That’s a wildly sweeping statement
That’s not at all east coast bias…
That’s an incredibly stupid statement
Grrrrr no change no change! Don’t allow new teams because it’s scary! Don’t change the salary system so that the rich teams never have to rebuild! Remove pitch clock and don’t change baseball!
Shaking my fist in the sky at the owners!
One thing that will never change… your username. 😅 sorry had to
I like baseball, Manfred, owners, investments and even Joe Brady.
Is that weird ?
“Baseball is a sport steeped in history, and the loss of the AL/NL structure would necessarily complicate our view of that history.”
One thing Manfred has shown to not give a rip about is the history and tradition of baseball.
The game is still very much the same. Sure, there have been major changes to the way it’s played but it’s still baseball and it’s still the hardest, most grueling sport of all sports. But, league alignment, it has changed many times over the years, there’s no difference now between AL and NL. The game must evolve and I don’t think realignment changes history and tradition in a significant enough way to discount it as not worth doing for that reason.
“The game must evolve…”
Why?
Because the NBA and NFL evolved and make more money
Because societies evolve. Sports like to keep up. It’s a sound strategy. It’s why they all do it.
ok, I can get the ‘evolve’ argument. But let’s add some violence, some body checking to baseball. Players in the field can block the plate so as a batter or runner, you have to run through them to get the base. Or maybe just do away with the interference rule so players can check or bump runners.
Manfred ball is pretty darn dull, let’s get some action going.
yeast
“let’s add some violence”
Nah
It’s ok not to like something
And it’s crappier because of it.
fop – That doesn’t answer “why” baseball has to evolve. Changing for change sake is stupid and usually leads to a downfall. Manfred has forced the “evolution”* of baseball for one reason – revenue. Low attention span “fans” don’t like a 3 hour game so to try to appeal to them, Manfred implemented asinine rules to shorten games in order to pander to a group of people who will never be diehard lifelong fans.
*Forced evolution is not evolution at all. It’s manipulation.
prov
“revenue”
If MLB dies that reason will be lack of revenue.
Juan – That’s true…and revenue depends on the quality of product on the field, not how long or short games are. Watering down the game to make them shorter, as Manfred has done, does not improve the product.
Obviously travel has become an issue with the current participants. I’m not surprised. The schedule is brutal. People don’t do “brutal” all that well these days so they want to decrease it. Ok. Sounds fair.
As for the other rule changes, you must be living under a rock. The speed of play is incompatible with the preferences of the fans that will be taking the game into the future. This is obvious.
Young people do slow with less enthusiasm than they do brutal.
Mate. Today’s diehards are going to die. Inevitable. Recognise it and evolve to the next gen of fan. Old folks need to cut the self entitlement, step back and understand the why. Non stop fighting of change is selfish pig headed BS.
Funny – your argument against evolution uses a prime example of evolution … the pitch clock. LOL. Whatever will baseball do after you are dead and gone? Go back to wool uniforms, 4 finger gloves, all day games and train travel? Just because you nap through 7 of 9 innings every night … the rest of us appreciate MLB’s improvement of the product.
Watering down? You wanna see a batter take a thirty second time out between every pitch?
MLB is committed to maintaining the Marlins as a 4-A farm team for the Hot Stove while looking past the historic Pirates being mothballed for all of this century while playing in what is widely acknowledged as the best of the newly built ballparks.
The wear and tear is legit. Seattle, for example, flies 3 to 4x further than most teams. Playing 162 games requires a lot from these young men. You’re trying to put a competitive and entertaining product out there. Tough to do when the players are absolutely exhausted, not to mention having to deal with increased injury risks.
There is no scenario in which Seattle doesn’t travel a lot.
Or are they planning on teams in Vancouver, Portland, Boise and Salt Lake City?
The sample realignment at least keeps them much more on the west coast (and Portland was suggested as an expansion site).
Houston is 3x the distance from Seattle that SF is.
Seattle hasn’t even traveled the most miles this season. They’re 4th at 44,622, behind the Dodgers, A’s and Padres. The fewest miles traveled is Cleveland at 25,453. Where are you getting 3 to 4 times as many miles as other teams from?
Where? Ignorance.
Take out the rare Tokyo series and LA isn’t at Seattle’s level. And they only did it this season. Seattle does it every year and EVERY YEAR travels more than any team. Nice try.
No matter what you do they are geographically far away from anyone.
I don’t have to “try”, all I did was give you the mileage. You said Seattle travels 4x as many miles as the Guardians which would be more than 100,000 miles! Don’t double down on your error.
Simplest solution: move the mariners.
Show us your source please.
Here you go. It’s Baseball Savant, a highly regarded website used by analysts and baseball nerds.
baseballsavant.mlb.com/visuals/map
Good reference. Take a team like Seattle, which may travel 10,000 more than the average team. The season in about 26 weeks, so about 400 more miles/week, or about 1 hour/wk more of travel. That’s not enough to justify a major realignment, imo.
You cannot judge based solely on “this season” because teams have not played their entire schedule yet. II haven’t looked at the schedule, but Seattle could have some East Coast trips that the others have already taken which would factor in the difference. Which teams are going to travel the most AFTER 162 games is the wear and tear part. And Seatlle is at the top year in and year out.
Add the Anchorage Argonauts. Then the Mariners can travel the 2nd most .
Only twice in the last 6 seasons has Seattle had the most miles flown in MLB. The most mileage they have flown more than any other team was 2,654 miles in 2021.
Just have the Mariners and a couple other teams have longer road trips and homestands. Intead of a 9 game road trip and a 9 game home stand, make it a 12 game road trip and 12 game home stand. Plan the road trip route to stay in the midwest, or the east coast, (or north or south).
There is no need for a large realignment.
If they drop the AL/NL then they’d have to buy the umpires new hats:(
Just put MLB on them
I vote Nesbitt Plan.
Nesbit is the only plan that wouldn’t have me up in arms
If they hadn’t started the interleague thing, teams wouldn’t have to travel so much.
Yeah, because those road trips against the Mets and Yankees or White Sox and Cubs are SO straining.
No, I’d like to see a mix of east and west teams playing in different divisions and it changes each year. Shuffle the deck to make it interesting. We’ve already removed all the historical relevance of the AL & NL and we play all the teams each season now so we might as well mix the divisions. Too bad about travel time but you’re already flying around the country as it is and getting paid big money to fly for free to each game.
It makes a lot of sense. The alignment of the league has changed many times over the years. There is no difference anymore between the AL & NL. It’s purely arbitrary at this point. Change is good. Bring on two more teams.
Change is not inherently good.
The alternative is that they never expand and we are stuck with 30 teams forever.
Change is inevitable.
You have to disband the AL and NL to expand? Uh… no. Also, the game already lacks enough quality pitching, is it ready to add 26 more pitchers?
The game doesn’t lack quality pitching, it is afraid to use quality pitching. Paul Skenes has pitched 161 innings this year, which is a lot for today’s standards. However, 50 years ago he would probably be well over 200 by now. Steve Carlton in his age 23 season pitched 232 innings, Skenes is likely going to top out around 190. Add those extra 42 innings and that takes away a lot of less quality pitching. And take away those 42 innings from Carlton and you would have had the same lack of quality in 1968.
Now they use pitch counts to supposedly keep guys from getting hurt even though pitching injuries are MUCH more prevalent today than back then. It’s just a paradox, they want guys to pitch less so they can stay healthy enough to pitch less.
This is changing something that doesn’t need to be changed at all.
Yeah, but it’s also not really change. Not for a lot of teams.
There a many teams that are still have a lot of travel because all games can’t be in their division and even those in their division can be some distance away. Look at the NL and AL West. To amount of realignment will cut out much travel.
If it ain’t broke why change it? The travel is not THAT big of an issue, the more prevelant thing is the new teams. It just makes more sense to make the divisions 4 teams each. Keeping leagues intact and adding one team to each
Spoken like a Boston fan. What you mean is that travel isn’t that big of an issue for YOUR team. To hell with everybody else, right?!?
We have to go to LA too
Right, but how many other teams are so close to you that you could literally drive there? You cant seriously be trying to compare Red Sox and Mariners travel (or LA teams for that matter). West Coast teams have to travel way more than you AL East teams do. Gimme a break FF…
MLB doesn’t even have enough good players to field 30 teams, and we want to make it 32? Not to mention two teams are playing in minor/ spring training stadiums.
Cheep friggin’ owners!
That’s what’s gonna be the death of baseball eventually.
Baseball is not going to die in your lifetime or mine, you can count on that.
@Slash78
There will always be some better hitter that crushes the next 800 ft HR and the pitcher that will throw 110 mph.
Maybe MLB should start awarding more points for the more extreme of a HR or most swords for a pitcher. Guy hits a 600 ft nuke and the teams gets an extra 6 points or something. Guy swords 6 batters and the team gets an extra 6 points.
“The death of baseball”? Not unless the major leagues are killed off by a lockout scheduled to begin in December 2026.
It makes too much practical sense, but would also
Involve a huge realignment. The latter aspect will make more hardcore baseball fans like MLBTR readers mostly against it.
But we can adapt, the Braves and Astros had good rivalries with the Dodgers in the late 80s , no one remembers that as anything significant.
SFG and LAD rivalry is as dry as the I-5 route between the two cities.
4 regional divisions like Schowalter suggested some 20 years ago is where MLB should be now.
San Francisco
Los Angeles
San Diego
Arizona
Chicago
St. Louis
Milwaukee
Colorado
Pittsburg
Cincinnati
Atlanta
Nashville
New York
Miami
Washington
Philadelphia
—————————-
Los Angeles
Seattle
Las Vegas
Salt Lake City
Houston
Kansas City
Arlington ( Texas )
Minnesota
Detroit
Toronto
Chicago
Cleveland
Boston
New York
Tampa Bay
Baltimore
Good breakdown. You could also make two divisions in each league with the same type breakdown. The league wants as many post season teams as possible so your breakdown is probably close.
The balanced scheduled, which exists solely because of the Wild Card, has made the traditional divisions irrelevant. Case in point: LAD and SD do not play each other in September and they didn’t play each other in April or May or July. This makes any realignment pointless if you keep the same scheduling because you have no rivalries.
If the priority continues to be the Wild Card which means a balanced schedule, then dump the divisions and go back to just AL teams and NL teams, Top 6 in each make the playoffs.
@Deckard
Then why not just have one big division and the top 12 get in and the next 12 play in a tier 2 level playoffs? This increases TV revenue and keeps more teams in the playoffs.
Why not keep the AL and NL, and have 4 divisions in each league?? Same difference while keeping the historical value of the NL/AL. They are making all of this way too complicated.
Still weird Pittsburgh is in the central and Atlanta is in the east. Make it make sense!!
@ Lou When each league had two divisions the cubs were in the east while the reds were in the west.
All of South America is east of Orlando.
It was weirder when Atlanta was in the west.
That is true.
On top of that the Brewers were in the AL East but the White Sox in the west.
In 1969, the AL added the Royals and the Pilots both to the newly formed AL West. So when the Pilots moved to Milwaukee and the second Washington Senators moved to Texas a couple years later, the two teams swapped divisions in 1972. At the time, Milwaukee was the team furthest East in the AL West division, so they naturally went. Milwaukee in the AL East was a lot less weird than Texas in the AL East.
I was always confused as a kid why Chicago was in the East in the NL, but in the West in the AL. I get that they didn’t want to break up the Cardinals/Cubs rivalry, but they could have easily swapped the Braves/Reds for the Cardinals/Cubs. I assume either the Cardinals owner or the Cubs owner or both had a lot of clout and forced MLB into the situation.
It was both. There were reports at the time about how August Busch and Philip Wrigley joined forces to pressure their fellow owners.
Better than the Braves in the west
Nobody cares about the Pirates anyway, not even their owner.
It is not as stupid as some people think it is. Most of us are tied to the old AL/NL format and geographic realignment would fly in the face of that. The problem is that baseball fans are more in tune with the traditions of the game than fans from other sports. Change anything and baseball fans will get upset.
Getting past that, geographic realignment does make sense. Less travel for teams, for one. West Coast teams playing more games against West Coast teams means more eyeballs on game in the Pacific time zone. And there is a greater chance that during the playoffs, West Coast teams will face each other in the early playoff rounds. The downside is there are not enough teams in the Pacific time zone to make a full 16 team West Division. Currently only 8 teams out west if you include the Mountain time zone. That mean another 7-8 teams from the Central Time zone will be pushed out west, depending on if Portland or SLC get a team. That will still be a lot of games true West Coast teams will be playing against teams 2 time zones away. Even if you sub-divide a Western division into four 4 team divisions that will still amount to a lot of games east of the Rockies. So realignment probably can’t achieve what Manfred wants.
Thus, I prefer continuing the Al and NL format but when we do expand, go to four 8 team divisions, two in each league. Lessens the chance of a weak team skating into the playoffs if their 4 team division is weak.
You do have a point with the last sentence, but I think 8 team divisions would just be too big
Not going to happen with eliminating divisions. As soon as two new expansion teams take place, the current playoffs format will once again get expanded to make more money.
They are not going to take away teams from the current postseason. I would much rather a “weak” division winner make the postseason over a 4th or 5th place team in an 8 team division. All that does is tell fans that the regular season doesn’t really matter all that much. If a team spends six months proving they are 10-15 games better than another team in their division, why should they be forced to beat that same team in a best of 5 series to move on?
Have 8 divisions and NO Wild Cards at all. If you cannot win your division, then you do not deserve the chance to win the league. I’d rather a good second place team be left out than division winners continue to lose short postseason series to teams they defeated in the regular season.
8 teams out of 32 making the playoffs (25%) would be a huge reduction of the current 12 teams out of 30 making it (40%).
Personally I would hate 4 team divisions or 8 team divisions and would just have two divisions with 6 teams and four with 5 teams.
Why not 16 divisions? Winners get bye. Runners-up are wild cards. All rivalries intact. Does Rob Manfred even like baseball?
Given the changes that have already taken place, there is no point in separating as the AL/NL. There aren’t different rules (DH) and you play everybody. “Interleague” play isn’t really a thing anymore. Given that, it should be separated East and West. And only give one award for everything.
How about a fairness realignment? Divisions for large market teams and divisions for small market teams. It would promote parity. Pittsburg and KC would have a shot.
The NFL created parity and the league boomed. The NBA built up more parity and it ramped up. MLB likes to keep its thumb on the scale for big markets and lags far behind.
Face facts: There aren’t enough ballplayers to fill 30 big league clubs. Add 2 expansion teams and the major leagues will become Class 4-A overnight.
Once that happens the US will become a soccer nation more quickly than a Dwight Gooden fastball.
CNJ
“There aren’t enough ballplayers to fill 30 big league clubs”
Of course there are. What?
That is just silly. You think there aren’t enough players to fill 26 man rosters for 32 teams when the NFL fills 53 man rosters for 32 teams and no one ever says boo about football being watered down.
I don’t think that’s true
For some of the geographical divisions, blackouts might rob fans of a chance to see many of the divisional games.
whenever a pro sports league has an idea they think will increase revenue, they will plow ahead with it, without regard for any additional consideration, without any questions asked.
They think that anyone opposed is just against the narrative because the average person is initially resistant towards change. Your valid concerns are tossed aside.
We understand that the bottom third of MLB franchises are completely irrelevant, so lets add 2 more?
BBB
“the bottom third of MLB franchises are completely irrelevant, so lets add 2 more?”
The two newest teams have both been in the WS in the last 5 years.
Saj – I’d say besides a few terribly owned/run teams, baseball seems pretty darn close to parity, with no team running away with anything. Right now, the Brewers are best and they’re a small market team for sure. Pittsburgh is one of those terribly owned teams, they will probably always be terrible under that owner. And KC just won a WS a few years ago.
Exceptions don’t make rules
If Rob Manfred thought of it then it is a dumb idea about 99% of the time
@blueboy714
Pretty sure it’s the owners that floated it out there.
Yes, and he’s their gopher.
One 32-team division, think about it!
@Paleobros
Regardless of how many divisions, MLB needs a relegation league to get rid of the bad teams like the Rockies, Mets, Yankees & Marlins.
I think relegation would make the season much more interesting like a twenty team league that would be eligible for postseason and ten team league that would not. They could still play a regular schedule amongst leagues based on division alignment. Have bottom five of the 20 team league be relegated and top five promoted for next season.
The middle two are interesting choices, but as a Boston fan, I wouldn’t want either of them gone
16 2-team divisions. No wildcards. Annual realignment based on head-to-head mascot race results.
Yes, except they have to race after every inning.
@FenwayFanatic
I’m only kidding about them but my point about relegation stands.
You can’t just relegate teams. Who replaces them…? And don’t say a minor league team….
@choof
Take the bottom 10 teams and put them in a relegation league and the top 20 play in the MLB. After the season, the top 3 from the relegation league move up and the bottom 3 in the MLB move to the relegation league. Problem solved and we get better quality baseball.
It’s not that simple my friend. Plus money rules all
@choof
This is an internet forum with zero impact on mlb decisions. Ultimately, money rules everything and that’s how it will be. Doesn’t mean some random internet users can’t post stuff like this. If so, I’d imagine the discussion on here would be pretty dry to almost no discussion.
I didn’t say you couldn’t post anything 🙂
@choof
Oh, I forgot, you’re still using AI…
I think you’ve mistaken me for yourself!
@choof
Lovin’ Every Minute Of It
What led you to drop the AI schtick, btw? I forgot to ask
@choof
Everything I post is AI schtick.
AIAIAIAIAIAI
I sometimes wonder if “Tob Manford” has ever watched a baseball game in his entire life.
Maybe as part of his union-busting research.
manfred is an idiot. his retirement cant come soon enough
If the idea is truly about less wear and tear on players, I’m OK with it.
162 games in six months is certainly demanding and some teams really do absorb the geographic shaft more than others.
Ultimately, it seems like realignment was presented more of a heads up than a possibility, so I’d get ready for the changes.
And through a pragmatic lense, as the article states, the nostalgic uniqueness has already been severely muted, so the adjustment for fans should resolve itself fairly quickly.
MLB should play fewer regular season games. If the owners were serious about limiting wear and tear and associated injuries , they would play like 148 games or so.
But the revenue loss! The dear, sweet revenue loss! /s
I don’t know about 148, but 154 is a nice historic number.
The revenue pool would drop accordingly and I don’t think the owners or the players union want to take a pay cut.
Realignment may ease the physical demand within the Pandora’s box of big money sports.
I have a strong feeling it’s all a moot point as this all seems to be well underway in planning.
The lack of a sizable payroll floor (players ok/owners not) but tight cap (owners ok/players not) is the real reform they won’t do. The misers can sell and FOs of large markets like LAD/NYY won’t get a free ride to the playoffs every year via massive spending/ability to take on more risk w/o thinking advantages……but but there’s been more WS winners/that’s parity says fans of status quo beneficiaries……large markets concerned their new history may resemble the Jets or Clippers if FO’s had to outmaneuver everyone else to earn postseason berths.
Expansion is going to make pitching even thinner across MLB. If they add teams , there should also be relegation.
A stingy owner wants to “rebuild” by tanking for a decade then their team should be AAA.
Baseball pitching is dominate now anyway. I wouldn’t mind seeing some more offense.
METS
Agreed.
Well that’s not really a problem as MLB wants more exciting offense for the fans. Pitch overall now is stronger than ever when you look at league offensive stats from a decade ago compared to today even with NL DH adoption and the defensive shift ban.
Manfred is a Commie conspirator, trying to divide the country.
Obviously, nobody else in the league cares since it doesn’t affect them, but as much as we talk about the marine layer here in Seattle the biggest disadvatage we have to swallow is an insane travel schedule. Our nearest team is two (not small) states away. God I hope expansion brings those two new teams to Salt Lake City and Portland. No offense Nashville, but the current geo imbalance puts us at a huge disadvantage. I really dont understand the thought that the new teams would be one on each coast. Its already sooo skewed. We need more geo balance out here…
Some teams are more steeped in history than others. I prefer to maintain the two leagues, but if some realignment is necessary it should absolutely maintain the current league identities of any franchise, no matter its current location, that was in existence before any expansion; i.e. before 1962. The thought of the Yankees, Tigers, or Red Sox playing in the NL; or the Phillies, Dodgers, or Braves playing in the AL is inconcievable.
Then dont move anyone. No sacred cows.
My first choice.
Keep the leagues and the number of divisions alone and just move the teams in the leagues to make sense.
F that!
We don’t want the Cubs in the American League!
There would be no American League.
I’m a purist at heart, but the powers that be have been systematically and intentionally erasing the distinction between the AL and NL for thirty years. It’s regrettable, but it’s obviously what they want to do and they’re going to do it. Long ago, the separateness of the two leagues had valuable resonance; the leagues carried with them different cultural and historical attributes, and different kinds of stadiums and different styles of play to a degree–but now all that has been destroyed by stupid men who want to make money by making baseball more like the NFL and the NBA, and seem to be embarrassed by what they see as an anachronism anyhow. So let’s go all the way and then see what we have. It will still, I suppose, be baseball.
Even our sports fall victim to late-stage capitalism.
Baseball should shine as baseball, not move closer to other team sports in structure. It’s bad enough that we have two players on the field that only play half the game. It’s contemptible that we now have a championship tournament with half the league that makes a joke of playing 162 regular season games. Moving to an east/west alignment would be awful.
And the poll didn’t ask, but it needs to be four 8 team divisions, not eight 4 team divisions. Make divisional championships great again!
I’m not a big fan of the idea, but at the same time, there’s no distinction between AL and NL anymore, after the universal DH rule.
While I support pitchers being in less risky situations as batters/runners, I miss small ball. I miss how fun and crazy it was when a pitcher would hit a homer.
Instead of adding more changes, I’d be good with a few undone, honestly.
I think that the DH is a terrible idea and if they wanted to go that way, they should have had all offensive and all defensive teams. That way it doesn’t matter if Juan Soto can field.
Sf
“all offensive and all defensive teams. ”
Agreed. Non-sarcastically
I think it could be a good idea. Imagine an Ozzie Smith type who can’t hit at all but fields like Ozzie Smith and you have 9 of those. Then the defense guys would start making big money, too.
Seems to me like having a team full of defensive wizards would make for a positive viewing experience
But I guess some people really like watching Kyle Schwarzer play the OF
Surprised no one pointed out the mistake in this article. NFL is split into AFC and NFC, not by region…
Most of the home run players that hit lots of them should be cast out of the record books as they have tainted them.
Charter flights. Catered meals. Hotel suites. Millionaires. Give me a break.
The East coasters are the only ones that suffer because of the time zones.
Let them continue. The players make a bundle. Stay the course.
First off I can’t stand Manfred. Ashamed of his italian heritage so he cuts the I off of the end of his name.
To abandon the two leagues would be a disaster to just get rid all of that history with the two leagues. This fake italian is destroying baseball slowly.
Never thought I’d say this but I miss bud selig
Nah he still wants to keep the two leagues but now teams like the Mets and Yankees in the same division. So the Mets would be forced to move to the AL. Cubs and White Sox in the same division. So White Sox become an NL team, etc. So the same league names but a lot of teams moved to make it an easier sale to tv. Which is of course the real reason Manfred and the owners want to do this, so they can make even more money. They say it’s concern for the players traveling, but they don’t really care about that.
Yeah I could see that. Make a good point
KISS
Split the country in half vertically, teams on the west side are in a league, teams on the east side are in a league, nary do the two play until the World Series. Put an expansion team in one of Nashville/North Carolina and Portland/SLC.
Less travel, keep the rivalries intact, playoffs make more sense, you get your two expansion teams. Done!
Bible Belt Baseball
As it stands its basically Great Lakes baseball
In case you’re wondering, the major leagues functioned from 1901 to the 1950s with no ballclubs west of St. Louis or south of Washington, D.C.
Totally get why certain cities have teams and others dont, and why most are in the Northeast/Midwest, but from a competitive advatage/disadvantage standpoint the current geo alignment is heavily skewed against the West Coast. They may not be able to do a ton about it, and not necessarily anyone’s fault, but its a real thing.
To be pedantic, St. Louis is slightly south of Washington DC.
Makes sense, so of course they will not do it.
@ tigerdoc I get your point here but there are some topics that are not being discussed here. All teams travel. Which is why visiting teams get a percentage of the gate when they play on the road. So no matter which cities get expansion teams get added there is still going to travel. A team like the angels or mariners will still travel to Boston or the Mets/yanks to get that revenue.
Fantastic idea – regional rivalries are always strongest. Toronto-Detroit was a damn good one for years before the Tigers were moved to the central. I have zero interest in the Orioles or Rays so switching to Cleveland & Minnesota or Pittsburgh or whoever would be A-OK by me. While I’d miss fighting the Yankees & Red Sox I’d love the higher odds of making the playoffs by not having those 2 in the division anymore. A nuclear division of NYY/NYM/Bos/Philly would be fun to watch from afar.
I would agree, Toronto in the center makes more sense
One issue is that nuclear division will spend like crazy to compete with each other, driving up costs for all teams.
They already do that.
I’d prefer a 3rd option, which preserves AL/NL while realigning things geographically a little bit better, and maybe having a team or two switch leagues.
Yes. I’m surprised that wasn’t offered as an option.
I’m for staying as is. I have been a fan of some of the changes. I like the DH in the NL. Some purists liked watching the pitchers hit .100. It drove me nuts to see Austin Hedges followed by the pitcher every night, it was like watching two mid high schoolers trying to hit MLB pitching.
Maybe if pitchers actually worked on their hitting instead of trying to throw 100 MPH every pitch…
They were bad hitters long before that.
Sell the Yankees to Elon Musk and move them to Mars. They could play the existing little green men teams and then one team would travel to the moon, where the Astros would be moved, to play their champion.
The Astros should move to the Sun.
💯
Nah. This is just change for the sake of change hoping it increases viewership, which it wont. Manfred runs the MLB like he hates baseball
It won’t because you don’t like it but expanded playoffs has according to data.
“I think we could save a lot of wear and tear on our players in terms of travel.”
He doesn’t care about the players. He just wants to cut expenses.
If expenses are cut, ticket and concession and parking prices should be cut too, right?
They will make some excuse to raise them instead.
SF
“They will make some excuse to raise them instead.”
That excuse is capitalism and the law of supply and demand.
“The possibility of MLB following in the footsteps of other American sports, like the NBA and NFL, by adopting an eastern/western conference layout as opposed to the current AL vs NL structure is certainly an interesting one.”
The NFL does not have an eastern/western conference layout. The NBA and NHL do. Just a typo, or maybe this is one of the new staff writers?
Y’all need to collectively yell at the clouds in unison because the clouds can’t hear you.
You’re all welcome to stand on my lawn to do so.
I honestly don’t think it matters at this point. The historical integrity of the game is already shot due to interleague play, full-time DH, extra inning rules and so on. Realign the leagues for a year, and if it isn’t popular, realign them back! MLB doesn’t really have inter-regional rivalries within leagues, yes the Yankees and Royals used to hate each other, as did the Reds and Dodgers, but that mostly went out the window with divisional realignment. So hey baseball loves to experiment, why not.
TRANSLATION we could save the owners a bunch of money by instituting this arrangement.
So it’s all about being good for ESPN?
Isnt that all any of them cared about anyways?
Don’t you know, PAC12 After Dark was a gift and an opportunity for us lowly left coasters to experience some of those sweet national TV slots that are birthrighted to the east coast teams.
Realign to Red states and Blue states. Sure to make everyone happy.
AL/NL is a relic of a time that ended with interleague play. As others have said, the history no longer applies with that, the DH, the # of games on the schedule, # of playoff rounds, steroids era being basically accepted. Even things like integration, live ball vs. dead ball, and changing the height of the mound have had profound effects when trying to compare one era to another.
It makes sense from a travel/wear and tear aspect for the players (from one who hates to travel) and expense for the teams, sure. Maybe you don’t need so many off days and the season won’t end in November.
I actually thought of something like this before with 8 4 team divisions. I did change some teams to other leagues. It went something like this:
NL North
NY
Philly
Washington
Expos
AL North
NY
Boston
Baltimore
Toronto
NL SE
Atlanta
Miami
Cardinals
Astros
AL SE
Rays
Royals
Whitesox
Nashville
NL Midwest
Cubs
Brewers
Rockies
Reds
AL Midwest
Tigers
Twins
Guardians
Pirates
NL Pacific
Athletics
Dodgers
Padres
Diamondbacks
AL Pacific
Mariners
Angels
Giants
Rangers
Expos aren’t coming back.
Why in the world would the Cardinals be a SE team?
A and B are not the only options.
Preserve AL and NL while doing geographic realignment.
It is a Nick Deeds post so we can’t expect common sense or even getting facts correct.
Tradition matters Manfred. Stop trying to change the sport. Enough is enough.
What if they kept AL and NL, but made the Leagues the divisions in Eastern and Western Conferences? I know it’s not the same but you still somewhat get the history but also geographical alignment.
**Eastern Conference**
**American League East:** Baltimore, Boston, Chicago White Sox, Cleveland, Detroit, New York Yankees, Tampa Bay, Toronto,
**National League East:** Atlanta, Cincinnati, Miami, NASHVILLE Expansion, New York Mets, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Washington.
**Western Conference**
**American League West:** Colorado, Kansas City, Las Vegas, Los Angeles Angels, Minnesota, Seattle, Texas, UTAH Expansion
**National League West:** Arizona, Chicago Cubs, Houston, Los Angeles Dodgers, Milwaukee, San Diego, San Francisco, St Louis.
**Playoffs**
**Round 1:**
Byes: Winner of AL/NL East and West (4)
ALE 2 vs ALE 3
NLE 2 vs NLE 3
ALW 2 vs ALW 3
NLW 2 vs NLW 3
**Round 2:**
ALE 1 vs Winner of ALE 2/3
NLE 1 vs Winner of NLE 2/3
ALW 1 vs Winner of ALW 2/3
NLW 1 vs Winner of NLW 2/3
**Round 3**
ALE Champ vs NLE Champ
ALW Champ vs NLW Champ
**Championship**
East Champ vs West Champ.
Or cut the regular season down to 154 games and add one more postseason round, with 1-seeds holding home field in every game in round 1. It would work out that 32 teams at 154 play more games than 30 at 162. Plus a tourney of 16 where lower seed teams should be at a disadvantage.
Divisions with 8 teams make sense. Balances the schedule.
Baseball has already changed so much from even the 1950s. League affiliation doesn’t really matter anymore nor do divisions. I favor a one league approach with no divisions. Everyone plays everyone an equal amount of times. Then maybe top eight teams make the playoffs.
List payrolls 1 to 30. Top 15 the American league. Bottom 15 the National league. No interleague play until the world series The Haves will play in their division only. The Have Nots will play in their division. Until mlb does something about the lack of competitive teams, rearrangement any other way will be useless. For most of those lower half teams, the HUNT is over by Memorial Day.
Preach, brother. Preach.
Assuming the 2 favorites of Nashville and Salt Lake are the expansion teams they “should” realign as follows:
AL East
Yankees
Red Sox
Orioles
Rays
AL Mid-East
Blue Jays
Guardians
Tigers
White Sox
AL Mid-West
Twins
Royals
Rangers
Astros
AL West
Athletics
Angels
Mariners
Salt Lake
NL East
Mets
Phillies
Nationals
Marlins
NL Mid-East
Braves
Pirates
Reds
Nashville
NL Mid-West
Cubs
Cardinals
Brewers
Rockies
NL West
Diamondbacks
Dodgers
Padres
Giants
Salt Lake is not the favorite in the West, Portland is,
The article I read said Nashville and Salt Lake. However, Portland would fit in for the AL West as well instead of Salt Lake too.
Not sure what article you read, but Portland has a group with over $1 billion in investments, bought the site for a stadium, has regulatory approval at that site, and the local and state governments have already voted to approve infrastructure funding.
Where’s the ambivalent option?
Four 4 team divisions in the AL/NL would work just as well.
Hypothetically speaking
AL
Baltimore
Boston
New York
Tampa Bay
Cleveland
Detroit
Minnesota
Toronto
Chicago
Houston
Kansas City
Texas
Las Vegas
Los Angeles
Portland/Salt Lake City
Seattle
NL
Atlanta
Miami
Nashville/Charlotte
Washington
Cincinnati
New York
Philadelphia
Pittsburgh
Chicago
Colorado
Milwaukee
St.Louis
Arizona
Los Angeles
San Diego
San Francisco
This is the way!
Manfred is a freaking idiot
I don”t think it makes a difference at all.
The distinction between AL/NL is long gone; between interleague play, a balanced schedule, and designated hitter rule, the leagues mean nothing at all anymore. It no longer matters.
I feel like people that aren’t in favor of geographic realignment are not from the west. west coast teams log a ton more travel, have almost no viewers in the middle of the country or in the east and radically different climates. teams like the giants and the mariners have hours long plane rides just to play people in division let alone outside of it.
Good point! I think Mariners players will greatly benefit from a reorganization that reduces travel. It’s a huge burden and major disincentive to prospective players, on top of the heavy marine layer. Even better if the expansion team is in Portland! (The Portland stadium plans are amazing.)
I think it could be a good idea but depends on how they break out the divisions.
I’m open to new teams joining the league, but the NL and AL structures should stay the same. It’s been like this for such a long time, and it’s partially why the league is so unique. Keep the leagues the same, and I’m happy. Otherwise, no realignment please.
I don’t care what they do. As long as baseball is still a positive thing in this garbage world.
Geographic realignment is a good idea.
Divisions with only 4 teams in it is a terrible idea.
4 divisions of 8; NOT 8 divisions of 4
Put all or most of the eastern time zone teams in one league. Put all or most of the western and mountain time zones in one division of the other league.
It works. I’ve pondered this for years.
I love the American League and its great teams, don’t abolish it! As for the National League, who cares? I don’t see what preserving one has to do with the other.
Neither. Or maybe that’s better said as “both, very slowly.”
Take baby steps instead. If they run a plan over 30 years, they could maintain tradition AND achieve geographic realignment.
Manfred is just like a young manager in a job that is way about his abilities. He just screws around with foolish ideas and everyone working there has to deal with the pathetic results of his bad ideas and decisions.
MONEY MONEY MONEY MONNNNEYY
Everybody’s got a price for the million dollar man. Ted Dibiase would be proud
My two cents.
NL West
San Diego
Los Angeles Dodgers
San Francisco
Arizona
AL West
Athletics
Los Angeles Angels
Seattle
Salt Lake City/Portland/Vancouver BC
NL Central
Chicago Cubs
Colorado
Milwaukee
St. Louis
AL Central
Chicago White Sox
Cleveland
Detroit
Minnesota
AL South
Houston
Kansas City
Tampa Bay
Texas
NL South
Atlanta
Cincinnati
Miami
Nashville/Charlotte
AL East
Baltimore
Boston
New York Yankees
Toronto
NL East
New York Mets
Philadelphia
Pittsburgh
Washington
Play offs are 4 division winners versus 4 wild card winners in a best of 3, The teams with the 2 best records play all 3 games at home.
If a division winner fails to have a better than a .500 record, they play a one game playoff with the non wildcard winner in that league with the best record.
AL and NL can and should 100% still exist. While there are some minor geographical alignment tweaks that can help, the commissioner, above all else, should preserve key historical division rivalries. No matter what…Yanks/Red Sox, Giants/Dodgers, Cardinals/Cubs, Mets/Phillies, and Tigers/White Sox should all stay division rivals.
4 team/4 divisions in each league seem the best way to realign and keep geographic sense.
Biggest move that would help is swapping the Rockies to AL and Rays to NL. No matter what two teams are apart of the expansion (Nashville, Portland, Charlotte, Salt Lake, Montreal), swapping both those teams provides so much more flexibility geographically in both leagues for realignment.
My favorite realignment is the following:
AL East – Yanks, Red Sox, Jays, O’s
AL North – Tigers, White Sox, Twins, Guardians
AL South – Rangers, Astros, Royals, Rockies
AL West – Mariners, A’s, Angels, Expansion (Portland/Salt Lake)
NL East – Mets, Phillies, Nats, Bucs
NL North – Cubs, Cards, Reds, Brewers
NL South – Braves, Marlins, Rays, Expansion (Nashville/Charlotte)
NL West – Dodgers, Giants, Padres, Snakes
If a more competent MLB commissioner were doing the realignment, I’d consider their ideas, but Manfred is simply going to ask ESPN and his Fan Duel/Draft Kings what they would make more money off of and go with their bidding.
I still haven’t got over the Astros switching Leagues.
Id vote for switching them back where they came from
Nesbitt has the right idea. Adding a NL South (ATL, NSH, TBR, MIA) and an AL Plains division (COL, KC, TEX, HOU) would be fine. Let all four division winners and the top two second place teams in the NL and AL be guaranteed playoff spots and then have two wildcards in each league so that third place teams have something to play for.
Just addressing alignment alone, with scheduling to be determined.
Keeping NL and AL, this is a suggested alignment:
NATIONAL LEAGUE
NL West
– Giants
– Dodgers
– Padres
– Diamondbacks
NL Central
– Reds
– Cardinals
– Cubs
– Rockies (or Royals)
NL East
– Phillies
– Pirates
– Mets
– Brewers
NL South
– Marlins
– Braves
– Nationals
– Expansion (Nashville, Charlotte, etc)
AMERICAN LEAGUE
AL West
– Mariners
– Angels
– Athletics
– Expansion (Portland, SLC, etc.)
AL Central
– Twins
– Tigers
– White Sox
– Guardians
AL East
– Yankees
– Red Sox
– Blue Jays
– Orioles
AL South
– Rays
– Rangers
– Astros
– Royals (or Rockies)
Alternatively, if no more AL or NL:
MLB West
– Giants
– Dodgers
– Padres
– Diamondbacks
– Mariners
– Angels
– Athletics
– Expansion (Portland, SLC, etc.)
MLB Central
– Reds
– Cardinals
– Cubs
– Rockies (or Royals)
– Twins
– Tigers
– White Sox
– Guardians
MLB East
– Phillies
– Pirates
– Mets
– Brewers
– Yankees
– Red Sox
– Blue Jays
– Orioles
MLB South
– Marlins
– Braves
– Nationals
– Expansion (Nashville, Charlotte, etc)
– Rays
– Rangers
– Astros
– Royals (or Rockies)
Is it good for the game, or is it good for revenue return for the owners?
This poll was short and answer. Why abandon AL/NL set up? Do it just like the NFL. They could leave the Divs the same just move teams. Go to 4 8 team divs. Whatever they do please follow through and cut Seattle’s travel down. We are going to travel the most no matter what but some of the trips are stupid.
We have had at least one trip that will go all the way to NY then say Houston then Tampa. Maybe try NY then Tampa then Houston cuts down on long flights criss crossing the Country.
Judges chase for 62 HRs was not a thing. People don’t care about AL only or NL only records/leaders. Without looking them up, do many people know the AL or NL single season leaders for 3B, 2B, hits, runs, RBI, BA, OBP, SLG or OPS? How about AL single season leaders for wins, SO, ERA, etc?
The chase for 62 was a thing, but not because it was the AL record. It was because all of the players with higher totals (Bonds, McGwire, Sosa) were cheaters. People cared because it was the clean record, not because it was the AL record.
Absolutely they should explore geographic realignment.
Frequent team air travel is already wasteful but its downright dumb to perpetuate a geographically unbalanced league and schedule.
The Rays were founded in the 90s and share a league and division with the Red Sox and Yankees founded nearly 100 years earlier. The ‘senior’ circuit (NL) also lays claim to teams founded in the 90s: the Marlins and DBacks. Adding more teams in expansion would simply add another new team to each league… so arguments based on keeping tradition don’t sell it for me.
The DH is league-wide, so it would be easy to maintain whatever classic rivalries fans want to see.
I’m in the West, so I’m obviously biased in a different way than those in the East may be, but I’d much rather teams out here actually all play each other instead of flying thousands of miles away to play otherwise irrelevant teams. Why should Seattle – Detroit or Seattle – Tampa be preserved in lieu of Seattle – San Fran? or Seattle – Arizona?
I believe the compromise position of moving a few teams between leagues and using better AI to plan the schedule could great reduce the amount of travel endured by the most traveled teams without killing all of the connections to storied history. After all, it’s only that storied history that keeps MLB baseball more popular than almost every other sport.
Im all for geographic realignment but keep divisions
NL west should be
Padres
Dodgers
Giants
Angels
Mariners
AL west
Rockies
Athletics going to Vegas
Astros
Rangers
Diamondbacks
If teams are switching leagues, the Mariners and Rockies need to end up in the same division. Nobody else is anywhere near these teams.
SF to Seattle is about 2 hours 15 minutes
Denver to Seattle is about 3 hours
MLBTR posted a poll 9 years ago, asking it’s readers whether or not the DH should become universal. 50% of them said no. I don’t think MLB’s front-office is going to care about their end consumers opinion unless it’s well over 75% against. They are going to do whatever saves them money. If that means destroying 125 years of history by putting both NY teams in the same division, both CHI teams in the same division, both LA teams in the same division, etc….then they are going to do it.
Every few months Rob Manfred gets bored and thinks of the most random and pointless ideas that do absolutely nothing to improve the game.
The divisions are already geographically determined. Keep it as it is to maintain League diversity within regions/cities. It would be less interesting if the Yankees and Mets were in the same division, and same with Dodgers/Angels, Cubs/White Sox, Orioles/Nationals, etc.
That is my problem with the proposals.
Having two teams in from the same city would just dominate the conversation in such small divisions.
Man, I hate when they mess with our sports. Stopped watching the NFL and the NBA is embarrassing. All I have left is baseball and they want to ruin that too. Lol at a team in Nashville. Give me a break.
The divisions are perfect as they are. Just put the new teams in existing divisions and a couple of them will have 6 teams.
Wouldn’t there be a NIMBY situation there? No teams would want to be in the division with 6 since that reduces their odds, all else equal. That’s why I felt aggrieved when the Astros joined the AL West. We had it good as a 4-team division for a long time.
How about doing away with stupid black out rules?
Need at least one more poll option: Nesbitt’s plan. Realignment while keeping that AL & NL with minimal crossover. Best of both worlds.
This^^^^^
The DH, ghost runners, pitch clocks, “announcing” intentional walks, teams changing leagues, the possibility of the “Golden At Bat” and now this? MLB used to define Americana and what pro sports was all about. Now it’s become a farce.
Keep the longstanding rivalries, reignite old rivalries (example: Detroit and Cleveland vs AL East), sort out the next two expansion teams and perhaps consider a 154-game regular season with an added playoff round that should give a favourable advantage to the top seed.
There is zero difference between the leagues now. People are trying to hold on to tradition that’s already long gone.
They should absolutely realign.
History is in the past. Realignment is about baseball future. I wouldn’t say it’s broken as things are but I believe Expansion/Realignment will better position baseball. One of the biggest issues here is baseball hands out two awards (MVP, ROY, CY) for each category when the other sports have one. I think you have to somehow preserve that for comparison sake. The Astros used to be NL and Rangers fans didn’t pay a lot of attention but now they’re rivals. Same with the Brewers and cubs who used to never pay much attention to each other but it becomes more intense every year as the Brewers keep winning the division. New rivalries will develop with teams that are much closer in proximity making it easier to do out of town games. Ultimately, it will be good.
How about realignment by market size? If MLB insists on an economic system of haves and have nots, it’s the best system to ensure small and mid market teams will earn playoff spots each season.
These are ball players not slaves.
Got forbid Tampa and Miami share games in a division.
If travel wear and tear is the utmost on MLB’s mind then the expansion teams need to be Portland and Salt lake city.
As someone who hates interleague play, that says it all about how I feel. I used to love the old AL vs NL – it made the All-Star and postseason games more appealing. But it’s watered down now since we see this all the time . So I’m not a fan but do I think this could happen? Absolutely.
None of this matters. What is important is that we find another made up reason to deny a city an all-star game for some insane political reason. Can’t have baseball without a healthy injection of politics. At least according to Manfred.
Let it go bro theyre getting the game next year and the country is ruined already just watch the game
How about 4 eight team divisions retaining AL and NL, with the original 8 franchises in each league in their own division, and the expansion teams in the other?
AL Originals: NYY, BOS, CLE, CHW, BAL (STL Browns), DET, MIN (original WAS Senators), ATH
AL Expansions: TAM, LAA, HOU, SEA, TOR, TEX, KAN, new expansion teams
NL originals: LAD (Brooklyn), SFG (NY), STL, CHC, ATL (BOS), PIT, PHI, CIN
NL expansions: NYM, MIL, COL, ARI, MIA, SDP, WAS, new expansion team
Could even switch back HOU and MIL to their original spots!
Get rid of the leagues.
Realign into four divisions, East, West, North South, with 8 teams per division. Top three teams in each division make it to the tournament with reseeding after each round.
I love the idea of geographical realignment. But it should be done with small tweaks maintaining the AL/NL structure. Not a total overhaul. Let’s keep some history and tradition
Can we geographically realign Manfred to the moon?
Not only should they not re-align, they should also contract. There are far too many mediocre teams that end up being farm systems for the big spenders. They should have a salary cap and more importantly, a salary floor. Force teams to spend to put a product out that fans can be proud of. Get rid of the perpetual bottom dwellers and put 24 good-great teams out there.
They absolutely have to do it.
There is no AL or NL.
They’re the same leagues with the same rules and there’s so much inter league play that it’s not even recognizable as such.
Aaron Judge is the AL home run leader, whatever that means, even though he hit a lot of his home runs against National League teams, whatever they are.
Tradition aside this makes sense. Which lots of those traditions already have been shattered.
They can reduce the travel, win for the players.
More games in the team’s time zone, win for the fans. I hear this complaint from fans almost daily.
More money for the league. More viewers can watch more games increases the tv worth. A win for players and teams.
Going to 4×8 seems to make the most sense. You are able to keep most rivalries in tact.
Play less games west vs east. No reason to play every team every year. Maybe once every 4 years. That would still allow fans to see other players.
More division games.
4 division winners, all get a bye. 4 wild card teams in each league 12 teams total, they likely would want 14 or 16 teams make it. Whatever makes the math work. Keeping 12/32 would still keep some meaning to the regular season.
Old rivals would mainly stay in tact and new ones over time would be formed.
I’m also in favor of a salary cap/min with complete revenue sharing on at least most items. Would require every team opening up the books. Having teams with 500m payroll and others with 60m makes no sense. Yes the 60m teams can spend more now but not 500m.
Also allow teams to trade all draft picks.
BS
You do not need to abandon the AL/NL structure for regional re-alignment and expansion. You could actually return to a more AL/NL format (eliminate inter league play to limit travel which to me sounds like the goal of geographically realigning). They absolutely have to get rid of the “everyone plays everyone” schedule. It’s horrible and increases travel and weakens regional rivalries.
Yes, exactly this. If it means a return to divisions mattering again I am all for geographic realignment.
I think geographical alignment is inevitable. No need to have 2 to 3 time zones between divisional foes (Hou/Texas and LAA/Sea/Vegas).
The league will expand by two teams. This leaves us 4 team x 8 divisions.
The league will shorten the season to 156. 4 series against division, 2 series against league, 1 series against interleague. All series will be 3 game sets, eliminating the 2 and 4 game series.
I don’t care other than that I 100% do not want the Mets and Yankees in the same division. 👎👎
This has been a rumored idea for years aside from the dissolution of al/nl. Manfred sucks but that doesn’t mean this isn’t a good idea. The rule changes are 50/50 to me in terms of good and bad, I’m not saying it’s going to fix the issues the league has (3-4 teams that need new ownership, 2-3 teams that need to relocate) but it will help with some issues and organize the structure of the sport more logically.
The loss of the two league system already happened over the last 25 years, it’s nam only at this point. I love baseball history but the game has always evolved and digging your heels in over something just because it’s old is kinda silly.
Too many teams and watered down talent already. Games about to become more boring unless other issues are addressed first.
The centralizing of baseball has been terrible for baseball fans. The league was never easily able to control the direction because it was so large and the control was not uniform. Now the league has centralized power (and continues too), the number of changes has exploded. In their arrogance, its assumed with reports like this they will become more bold and ram terrible idea after another down our throats just like they did with NFL, NBA, and NHL. It is a receipe for terrible corporate product, everyone quickly realizes is not worth putting the time to patron. Just in comments today there are many who’ve stopped watching these other leagues because the product’s quality. The MLB’s centralizing is breaking the uniqueness and diversity of the game. If anything, there should be more diversifying to create a more multifaceted product. There should be more competition and less control by the league. This is where the innovation lies. Just look at the Rays and all the unique strategies they’ve come up with to compete (albeit regrettable it spread to bigger franchises to save money). The direction the league will go if it keeps centralizing will leave us with a stagnating product that has no relevance ( connecting the present to baseball’s past or it’s future).
The NFL has an Eastern/Western Conference layout? That’s news to me…
Who cares? The difference between the leagues is gone. It’s not like they’re all original teams anymore either. Just realign and make the travel better.
I think its time for the MLB to expand again. The expanded twice from 1991-1998, but hasn’t expanded in nearly 30 years since. I believe adding a team in Portland and a team to Charlotte would be ideal. I like the idea of four (4) four (4) team divisions similar to the NFL in each conference.
You could make the the divisional games bigger again, similar to the NBA; ensuring you play every team in your division 18 times, and every other team four (4) times per season. Theoretically, you would add four games to the schedule, but it works better.
Each Team
– 54 games vs Division
– 102 games vs League
– 166 game regular season
Now, with a modification like this, you probably see a 16 Team playoff seeding come with it; meaning the top 8 teams from each league make it to the postseason.
That series would go something like this:
Wild Card Round: Best of Three
Divisional: Best of Five
League Championship: Best of Seven
World Series: Best of Seven
Playoff format: Four Division Winners; Four Wild Card Teams.
Why 4-team divisions? I’d much prefer four 8-team divisions (or better yet, four 7-team divisions) with no wild cards. Win your division, play for the pennant. Win your pennant, play in the World Series. Easy-peasy.
I’ll make the sacrificial hot take and say that preserving the AL and NL as we know them is holding the game back from being better. Change is inevitable and, maybe, necessary.
I’ll add that I am an old NL fan (grew up a Braves’ fan, always rooted for the NL in All-star games), and hated the DH coming to my league. My refrain was two-part: 1. Two styles of play gives fans more options for what they like better. 2. There are no rules saying that pitchers have to be bad hitters. My hottest take may be that I actually kinda dislike that every team plays every team now.
I also love baseball’s history and its stubborn clinging to tradition while simultaneously dunking on the idea of Babe and Cy playing in today’s game. I love that teams can’t buy championships, and that parity in our sport is far better than in all the other leagues overall. And I like the new playoffs (even if I miss my one-game, do-or-die play-ins.).
But, there are things I also hate. I hate when I can’t easily watch the Braves play the Dodgers, Giants, or Mariners half the time. I hate blackouts or needing cable to watch Nationals’ or Orioles’ games. I hate how smaller market teams have to play their Division Series games when I, and most of the country, are still at work. I also hate MLB pushing a select few teams, including my Braves, because they’re big brands to possible fans outside of the current markets, when, to those possible fans, New York and Los Angeles are far-flung amorphous ideas and nothing like their closest big city.
Geographic alignment fixes almost all of those issues, or, at least kicks open the door to the conversation to fix them. Yes, all of them.
Your team will play more teams in your time zone or one zone away. That’s easier for you to watch.
More games in that time zone means it’s harder to justify blackouts.
During the playoffs, everyone can probably watch at a reasonable time instead of having to watch all day. And those small market, and often just-as-deserving, teams actually get to be seen by their fans.
Kids from small towns that aren’t far from their closest team won’t have to wait for the Yankees and Giants on Fox to see a game. They could actually watch their Twins, or Brewers, or Padres, or Reds because there’ll be a strong incentive to make that happen.
My only gripe is that I hate the word “conference.” Call them leagues. Eastern and Western, New National and New American, or just keep the old names and pick whichever way you want to go.
Getting rid of what we know as we know it will be better in the long-run for the game. You’re still probably going to get a Western League Champ vs. Eastern League Champ in the World Series. It’ll still feel the same overall. Bring on something radical. It’ll be fun.
No one here knows if it’s a good idea or not.
They might, and that’s being generous, know if they like it or not.
Four divisions of 8, based on geography. Div winners get playoff bye, next four teams in each league make playoffs. Keep schedule so that you face everyone at least one series a year. The end.
In a league rooted in so much tradition I don’t know why this was even suggested
Fact check: The NFL doesn’t have Eastern or Western Conferences.
I don’t much care how it’s done. But the way it is now should change. With the expanded postseason and teams competing league wide for the same postseason berths, there ought to be schedule parity. And if you’re going to do that, I do think an east/west alignment makes sense for the TV deals.
Not a bad concept but a bad strategy. You can expand and realign to look more like the NFL’s divisions. Then take the top two from each division and have a playoff or better yet, an overall tournament style playoff system leading to the WS. That would be exciting. And could see traditional same league WS opponents or traditional opposite league playoff opponents depending on seeding. Last Sunday night of the season in the MLB is now selection Sunday for the playoffs.
Other things that I would consider redoing or adjusting:
I’d get rid of the runner on second in extra innings or put one out on the board and start the leadoff batter with an 0-1 count.
A pitcher/batter/team can appeal a ball or strike call from the 7th to the 9th inning or with men in scoring position anytime.
Or just let balls and strikes be called electronically and human umps monitor the bags and field plays.
Misplayed and/or bad fielding decisions leading to a bogus hit will be counted as a single and an error on the fielder allowing the runner to advance. This would now be more accurate regarding a pitcher’s ERA. Example, guy hits a fly to right, the right fielder takes a bad route whereas if the proper route in the ball was taken and play made, it would be an out. Give the hitter in that case a single and the fielder gets an error or two base error or more, depending where the batter ends up on the base path.
Allow the home team in a three game series to decide to use a DH or not. In a four game series the home team can decide twice.
This brings strategy back and might keep a particular DH out of the lineup in a key game.
Expand rosters to 32 players one has to be an emergency catcher and the other an emergency pitcher only to be used when teams are down after the 7th inning by 10 runs or more.
Reinsertion opportunity 1 time in the field and 1 time in the lineup per game.
Reinsertion can in a 10 run lead game can only happen after the 8th and if five or more runs are scored in the 8th. I’m still working this one out.
Relegation. Like soccer if a team does not win enough, they are placed in a lesser category. For baseball, this is meant for cheap skate owners bc when you are relegated, you lose revenue share. So spend money and make your team competitive.
Eliminate all Florida, Arizona and Colorado baseball. Want them to stay, then the league needs to get those franchises in line and get them better ownership/push the current t owners out due to poor performance. Arizona is the only team in that bunch that could be spared bc they have won a WS.
All are an example that Florida and Arizona baseball are for spring training purposes.
Colorado is a failed experiment.
Take those four teams and relocate or shut them down and make them and their minor league systems part of an expansion or contraction draft.
Teams that were established pre-1990 would be safe.
So move those teams and add two more all in Key cities like Nashville as discussed and possibly think of a team in PR and bringing one back to a neighboring country like Canada. I’d also explore US states like NC, SC OK, IN, AL. Portland is a reach in my opinion and not a sports town. Aligning in cities that have at least 2 of the 4 professional sports would be one of my deciding factors and Portland is not in that category.
Keep the leagues and 4 geograhically closest teams in a division. Oh, send the Asstros back to NL!
“It became necessary to destroy the village to save it”.
Am I the only one that thinks there are Vietnam vibes surrounding this topic?
If interleague play wasn’t a thing, I’d actually be for this because it’d be better for the players. However, that’s not the world we live in. So, no matter how perfect you lay the divisions out on paper, Miami is still flying to Seattle because… greed.
Therefore, I hate this radical realignment idea. But, I expect it to happen because… greed.
This is a colossally stupid idea. Tradition means a lot in baseball. Reject this idea.
I think at this point they may as well
Division changes have happened, rule changes have happened, expansion happened, teams switched leagues..
None of this “broke” baseball and nor will this..
I don’t think doing geographical realignment will make for a better league. I think the split they have is good (especially having 2 “conferences” with footprints in the same markets). It’s more akin to the NFL than the NBA or NHL.
Adding expansion teams and making the AL/NL both 16 teams is definitely on the horizon. I could see a shift in divisions, but I don’t see for example, the Yankees and Mets in the same division, Dodgers and Angels, Cub and White Sox, etc. I’d rather see those teams still split, play ONE series a year against each other as a novelty, or better yet, eliminate total interleague, and do as the NFL does, where your division plays one division from the other league.
Why assume it’s a binary choice? They can preserve the AL / NL structure while simultaneously doing geographic realignment.
Manfred…. keeps changing things that are not broken! Stop the insanity. Zero valid reason for expansion as number of quality players is sorely lacking, pitching in particular. Realignment is a disaster if it goes forward. Old rivalries are about all that MLB has left. Forget this East Coast/West Coast thing….this is not football nor basketball Manfred.
From a business standpoint, yes. But from a fans standpoint I don’t get how it makes the game better. And im believer in actually separating the leagues to create the specialness of the postseason again