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Tigers, Tarik Skubal Likely Headed To Arbitration Hearing With $13MM Gap In Filing Figures

By Anthony Franco | January 8, 2026 at 11:54pm CDT

The Tigers did not reach agreement with two-time Cy Young winner Tarik Skubal on a deal to avoid arbitration this evening. They’re now likely headed for what would be the most significant hearing in memory. That’s due to an astronomical $13MM gap in the sides’ respective filing figures.

Mark Feinsand of MLB.com reports that Skubal is seeking a $32MM salary, while the Tigers filed at $19MM. The sides are free to continue negotiations right up to the hearing time, but teams typically adopt a “file-and-trial” approach and cease talks on one-year deals after figures are exchanged. If it gets to a hearing, an arbitrator can only choose either Skubal’s number or the team’s. Arbitrators are not permitted to land on a middle ground, so the result would be very consequential.

If it gets to a hearing, Skubal will be shooting for the largest arbitration salary ever. That record is held by Juan Soto, who settled on a $31MM deal with the Yankees in his final year before free agency. Shohei Ohtani and the Angels agreed to a $30MM deal in his final year of arbitration eligibility. They’re the only two players to reach that benchmark. Vladimir Guerrero Jr. signed the loftiest deal in last winter’s class; he landed at $28.5MM.

While Skubal’s filing figure isn’t markedly above those of recent superstars, it would shatter the benchmark for pitchers. The arbitration process hasn’t rewarded high-end arms as handsomely as it does impact bats. In fact, no arb-eligible pitcher has commanded even $20MM. David Price still holds the record with a $19.75MM salary from back in 2015.

ESPN’s Jeff Passan wrote about the potential for an historically significant hearing when examining Skubal’s arbitration case this morning. As Passan pointed out, the collective bargaining agreement allows players who are one year away from free agency to compare themselves not only to past arbitration precedents, but to free agents as well. There’s ample precedent for free agent pitchers commanding upwards of $30MM annually, with some late-career aces pulling more than $40MM per season on short-term deals. That provision hasn’t actually moved the market for arb-eligible pitchers forward to this point, however, and the aforementioned massive salaries for Soto, Ohtani and Guerrero were all agreed upon without a hearing.

The Tigers’ filing figure aligns with arbitration’s historical precedent against pitchers. It’s also much more aligned with the usual year-over-year escalating salaries associated with the process. Skubal received a $10.15MM salary last year. The largest yearly jump for a pitcher is held by Jacob deGrom, who earned a $9.6MM raise after winning his first career Cy Young in 2018. Detroit’s figure would give Skubal an $8.85MM boost after his second consecutive Cy Young award.

To a large extent, this serves as a test case for the arbitration process itself. That Price still holds the record for a pitcher shows how much the system has lagged when it comes to valuing arms (particularly in comparison to the escalating free agent prices for starters). Skubal and his representatives at the Boras Corporation are aiming to blow that wide open. That’d obviously be significant for the southpaw himself but would also go a long way toward raising the earning ceiling for future arms.

There’s no guarantee that this actually gets to a hearing. Player and team would have a lot of money at stake if it does, and they’d each avoid the unpredictability of relying on the arbitrators if they settle on a deal in the mid-$20MM range. However, this kind of situation is precisely why teams prefer the file-and-trial approach. That’s designed to prevent the player from filing well above their expected value to anchor future talks from a higher baseline. Refusing to continue negotiating after numbers are exchanged prevents that situation. If the player files very high, the club feels good about its chances of winning a lower than expected number at the hearing.

It all makes sense in theory, but the stakes of a potential hearing in this case are higher than any in team history. They’d need to operate for the next month or so with a $13MM range in their payroll projection, which could hinder short-term free agent or trade activity. Skubal is one year from free agency and trending towards the largest pitching contract ever. If the Tigers feel they have any chance to re-sign him, they may not want to run the risk of an inherently adversarial hearing.

There’d also be ramifications if they put him on the trade market — either before Opening Day or, far more likely, if they fall out of contention before the deadline. One year of Skubal would have immense trade value regardless of his salary, but he’d be much more appealing to other clubs on a $19MM sum than he would at $32MM.

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  1. tigers182

    2 months ago

    So embarrassing…

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    • AI GM

      2 months ago

      For who? You?

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      • cards99

        2 months ago

        For the Tigers organization. Disrespecting their back to back cy young award winner with a terrible offer like that. Who they apparently still plan on employing for the next year.

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          They didn’t disrespect him. 19m is very generous. More than many experts predicted he would get.

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        • AndyWarpath

          2 months ago

          Which expert?

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          All the ones I seen. I find them to be experts. Mlbtr you may have heard of. They do a great job with arbitration projections.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 months ago

          Which expert?
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          The site you are on right now, and they are normally reliable. They predicted $17.8M.

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        • tigers182

          2 months ago

          I don’t know what’s worse, being this far apart in terms with your back to back Cy Young winner, or going to arbitration with Casey Mize over the difference of a McDonald’s cheeseburger.

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        • FrankRoo

          2 months ago

          Well it worked as it got him to agree to a 3.1M club option to get that $25K. Why do you think you’re smarter than an MLB front office when it comes to saving money?

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        • Hammerin' Hank

          2 months ago

          They’re offering him more than he was projected to get. Detroit has nothing whatsoever to be embarrassed about.

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        • TheBigKurtz

          2 months ago

          I wish someone would disrespect me by offering me just $19MM.

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        • Steinbrenner2728

          2 months ago

          @TheBigKurtz John Fisher has your back. Get ready for $19 total in cash for the soda dispenser.

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        • Bak Pak

          2 months ago

          2.21 ERA and back to back Cy Young and they offered him less than David Price got more than a decade ago. Yes, they have a lot to be embarrassed about.

          Real good chance they lose this case as well. They should have listened to people in the game who had been saying for a while that had been saying Skubal intended to test the clause in the CBA that allowed the arbitrator to compare him to FA in terms of pay. He was better last season than any FA that got a $30 million AAV was in his walk year before free agency. Skubal has a real shot to win this case and the Tigers should have known that.

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        • FrankRoo

          2 months ago

          You think you’re saying something smart except you don’t understand that Price was a super two player and was on his FOURTH trip through arbitration when he reached that number. Skubal is only on trip THREE.

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        • ThatsIT?

          2 months ago

          It’s embarrassing that fans don’t understand the arb process every year I gotta example it to the simpletons

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        • Simm

          2 months ago

          Skubal isn’t the first to test arb. There are 18 of them just this year. These projected arb numbers are usually really close. There are several metrics that go into those numbers including what you have been getting in arb especially the last season.

          For skubal to win he is going to need one heck of a lawyer. I don’t think I’ve ever seen this site miss an arb number by more than 6m. Which is what he will need to get the extra 13m.

          This site says he is worth (via arb) about 18m. So no real risk for skubal. If he loses he gets 19m which is more than was predicted.

          People say well he is gonna get traded now. Idk, this situation doesn’t help his trade value. He looks more appealing at 19m than he does at 32m. This doesn’t mean there is bad blood, as I stated above this is a win win for Skubal based off of projections.

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        • letitbelowenstein

          2 months ago

          19 mil is a terrible offer? Oh, right. The gimme-gimme-gimme boo-hoo generation.

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        • KnicksFanCavsFan

          2 months ago

          Any site that thought Skubal wouldn’t exceed the record that was held by a guy from 10 years ago seems a bit oit out of touch. To put in perspective, Kershaw held the record for highest annual salary of any player in 2015 at $31 mil. Since then at lest 7 mlb pitchers have blown past that number, especially Ohtani. While those are free agent numbers and not arbitration the point is that he deserved to be closer to market value than the $19 mil they’re offering.

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        • Gator50

          2 months ago

          So the record was $19 m to David Price way back in 2015. How does that make $19 m to Skubal a “very generous” offer? 11 years of salary inflation and last time I checked, Price wasn’t coming off back to back Cy Youngs.

          $32 mil gets into absurdsville, but Detroit absolutely should have broken the $20 mil threshold with their offer. Regardless of what the “experts” say.

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        • tigerdoc616

          2 months ago

          Hardly a disrespectful offer. Very much in line with historical raises. Nothing disrespectful about that. Skubal is hoping to set records, not just in arbitration but when he hits the market next year.

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        • 99Captain Judge99

          2 months ago

          Yup total disrespect, might as well just trade him with an extension, for another team out there.

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        • JuanUribeJazzHands

          2 months ago

          RE letitbelowensteinCancel

          “The gimme-gimme-gimme boo-hoo generation.”

          The we’re not going to be satisfied with just accepting what is offered generation

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        • JuanUribeJazzHands

          2 months ago

          KFCF

          “he deserved to be closer to market value than the $19 mil they’re offering.”

          He does deserve it

          But the arbitration system is deeply flawed

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        • Kyle 12

          2 months ago

          @FrankRoo Who said saving money should be the focus of the franchise? This is what you root for? Ticking off your best player by offering him only a few million more than Alex Cobb is the point. You’ve gotta be Chris’s burner.

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        • Astros71

          2 months ago

          I think that Skubal should get more than the Tigers are offering, while less than what he wants.

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        • roob

          2 months ago

          They were really disrespecting him! How dare they!

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        • Frenchredsox

          2 months ago

          Actually no – offering 19 million is far more than the salary of 99,9% people in the world who would get that in a lifetime let alone 32 days of « official work » (that is to say pitching in a ballpark).
          Equally, it’s an offer to see if there is a « counter offer » for a possible valuation of a :
          1) long term deal ;
          2) short term deal;
          3) what he would cost if traded.

          As the article showed a pitcher and everyday player don’t have the same work rate (5x more on average for a positional player) and also the highest arb salary is a third less than Sotós record contract/deal.

          They both play the same sport but don’t affect DAILY the result.

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        • No ABS in '27

          2 months ago

          Skubals representatives went too high with their filing figure. I feel like the lever is with the Tigers.

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        • Kyle 12

          2 months ago

          @Frenchredsox So are you going to be the one to go tell players they should only be paid the medium annual salary of citizens in their team’s district because it’s “fair?” Or pitchers to accept less money because they don’t work hard enough for it?

          BTW, pitchers worker harder and have more impact to the outcome of one game/week than a position player does in 7 games / week.

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        • Gary from Detroit

          2 months ago

          I remember Al Kaline refusing $100,000 because he didn’t think he was worth it, so they gave it to Bill Freehan..players today are just greedy people that could care about the fans

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        • KnicksFanCavsFan

          2 months ago

          @French

          Can you throw the ball over 90 mph? I can’t. How many strikeouts can you get vs mlb players? I probably couldn’t get 1. How many Cy Young awards do you have? Just as many as me. You can’t compare what am elite mlb player makes compared to the other 99% of the world. You compare him against his peers and while the arbitration process is inherently cost controlled vs what they can get in the open market is still a bargain. They will likely negotiate something in the middle but why stay off with such a low offer? If this goes to arbitration do they take any to sit opposite of him and his agent and argue why he S DOESN’T deserve $32 mil? might as well just traded him at that point

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        • JoeBrady

          2 months ago

          Bak Pak
          Real good chance they lose this case as well. They should have listened to people in the game who had been saying for a while that had been saying Skubal intended to test the clause in the CBA
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          1-I’d bet a decent amount that the Tigers win. As someone else pointed out, they should’ve started with $20M so that Skubal could still claim to be the highest ever, but I cannot see them giving out a $22M raise. It is way past any precedent.

          2-I’m not a lawyer, but what would your case be in challenging a clause that you had previously agreed to via your union rep? My understanding is that, once your union members have ratified a contract, then you are bound by the rules, even if you voted against it.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 months ago

          ThatsIT?
          It’s embarrassing that fans don’t understand the arb process
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          I think it’s more about ‘feelings’ than facts. That’s America for you.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 months ago

          KnicksFanCavsFan
          the point is that he deserved to be closer to market value
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          It’s not the point at all. The PA and the players have decided that players should be underpaid for 6 service years, so long as there are almost no restrictions on future earnings.

          That you disagree with it is meaningless. The players have agreed to it.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 months ago

          JuanUribeJazzHands
          But the arbitration system is deeply flawed
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          No, it is not. It is an agreement that both parties signed onto.

          It’s like saying that you and your employer agreed to let you leave early for matinee games, if you work late. It doesn’t matter what I think. It’s your agreement.

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        • stevetampa

          2 months ago

          Even had they known that, what could the Tigers have done differently? Had they offered $25mm, they still would end up in front of an arbitrator.

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        • bigjonliljon

          2 months ago

          That’s not how it works. You can’t compare arbitration numbers to FA numbers.
          The system is set that pre FA deals are under paid while FA deals are an over pay.
          I’m
          Not saying it’s right or wrong, just that it’s how the system works.

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        • deweybelongsinthehall

          2 months ago

          Just responding to #2 Joe. The CBA has rules. In my line of work, to void an arbitrator’s decision is extremely difficult to do and usually it happens when there is case law that was totally ignored, that’s not the case here. That said, the arbitrator can only choose between the two presented numbers and being offered less than Price 11 years ago when you have back to back Cy’s is just nuts.

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        • 84LeFlore

          2 months ago

          One could argue that pitchers like Skubal and Skeens do affect the daily result since it usually means a low-impact day on the bullpen, the majority of whom can take the day off, meaning they’ll be more effective in games Skubal doesn’t pitch. For example, Hinch’s “pitching chaos” wouldn’t have worked without having Skubal at the top of the rotation.

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        • Melchez17

          2 months ago

          They need to compare Skubal to Alex Cobb… The Tigers offered Cobb $15 mil after he had an injury plagued year and never even made it to the majors. Skubal has to be worth a few million dollars more than that.

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        • 84LeFlore

          2 months ago

          I will never understand that Alex Cobb contract. They were bidding against themselves for a 37-year-old who threw 16 IP the year before.

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        • Astros71

          2 months ago

          Skubal is not normal person.

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        • WadeBoggsWildRide

          2 months ago

          Hi Dewey, I disagree with the Price comparison because it isn’t really apples to apples. Price was in his 4th arbitration year.

          I do think the Tigers should have offered $20M just to keep the Price argument off the table.

          The more valid argument from Skubal’s camp is comparisons to free agent contracts.

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        • kcmark

          2 months ago

          Can you get MLB hitters out?

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        • kcmark

          2 months ago

          It is when deGrom is getting $40M

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        • Stat_head

          2 months ago

          No. He made $10.5 million in 2025 so $19 million is almost doubling his salary which rarely if ever happens. Soto was making $23 million the year before he set the record at $31 million. That’s a 35% increase. Price was at $14 million when arbitration awarded him $19 million. That year JV was making $28 million. Arbitration awards are based improvement percentage, not FA values.

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        • Stat_head

          2 months ago

          That has zero to do with arbitration.

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        • SportsFan0000

          2 months ago

          Any team with the resources to trade for Skubal is not going to be dissusaded by whether he gets 20M or 32M in his final arbitration before free agency.
          Mets? Dodgers? Yankees? Blue Jays? etc…

          That is spare change to teams in the 240M-300M+ yearly team payroll ranges.

          Skubal is the piece that may be the World Series clincher for many teams(Mets, Dodgers, Yankees, Blue Jays any team getting Skubal would instantly become favorites to make and win the World Series).

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        • WadeBoggsWildRide

          2 months ago

          $12M would absolutely change the return he brings in trade. I am not sure what teams are valuing prospects at but $12M feels like a real good prospect.

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        • Chasefor28nyy

          2 months ago

          So 19m for a guy thats gonna break the record for highest aav for pitcher once he hits Free Agency is fair? This is why great players leave bum organizations because they always disrespect them with low ball offers like this

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        • Chasefor28nyy

          2 months ago

          Projected by a sports writer. I would be embarrassed if the best pitcher in baseball says you had your chance now I want out, and they get less in a package because everyone is gonna know he wants out

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        • WadeBoggsWildRide

          2 months ago

          Yeah sounds fair to me. It is what the players and owners agreed to. What is unfair about it?

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        • Chasefor28nyy

          2 months ago

          Obviously the player didn’t agree lol. If they wanted to sign him long term, agree in the middle at 25m will probably make him happy and then work on a long term extension. He is gonna want an extension before next season because there’s gonna be a lockout. So if its with the tigers or whoever trades for him I expect a long term contract before the end of this season

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        • WadeBoggsWildRide

          2 months ago

          The player’s union and owners agreed to the CBA which defines the rules for arbitration hearings. The system by which these cases are decided has been agreed to by all parties. That is pretty much the definition of fair.

          Skubal has the right to ask for whatever salary he wants under that agreement. So do the Tigers. Whatever the outcome it will be fair as both agreed to abide by the decision of the arbiters.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 months ago

          If they wanted to sign him long term, agree in the middle at 25m will probably make him happy and then work on a long term extension.
          =====================
          That would be like union workers agreeing to a smaller retroactive raise in the hopes that the company will be more generous in the future. Just negotiate the entire deal at once.

          In addition, if $300M/8 is the perfect amount, then both sides can split the $12M difference without even noticing it.

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        • ARoseT

          1 month ago

          I wonder if they expected him to counter with something like $22-$24 m, and refused to budge when he came back w/ $32. I also don’t totally get Skubal’s mindset if it does get to a hearing. He keeps indicating he wants to play for a WS-caliber team this year, but unless he’s trying to force a trade, I don’t see how forcing an astronomical 1-year payday for himself accomplishes that.

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        • seth3120

          1 month ago

          Every new contract is based off someone who set the market in the past. Like Bak Pak said we are going back 10 years to David Prices record setting for a pitcher and I don’t know that Skubal could be much better than he has been there has to be a significant jump after 10 years. It is gonna be tough with that gap but if you ask me Skubal is closer to the mark than the Tigers. Can’t believe the Tigers would want to get into arbitration and argue why one of the top pitchers in baseball at any age doesn’t deserve what Price got ten years ago. If you have any interest in resigning him offer him something in the neighborhood of 30 and be done with it

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        • WadeBoggsWildRide

          1 month ago

          I keep typing different questions into Google AI and it can’t get its head out of its behind.

          Price was a 4th year arbitration player hence the high salary record that hasn’t been beaten. Degrom made $17M and got about an $8M raise. Framber Valdez may have the 3rd year pitcher’s record at $18M which he agreed to last year. $19M for Skubal would be the record for 3rd year arbitration pitchers. The raise would be $9M. If he was a super 2 player and this was his 4th time he might actually get $32M.

          If we are going to have legal sports betting we should be able to bet on this! Looked it up to see odds and nope, society hasn’t degenerated to the point of legal betting on contract outcomes or legal proceedings. That being said I would bet money he doesn’t get $32M.

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        • Bak Pak

          1 month ago

          Skubal is the 1st pitcher that either led the league in ERA or won the CBA to go to a hearing since this rule was instituted in the CBA.

          Skubal will win his case because he did both for two years in a row.

          This site uses an algorithm that does not take into account special rules like the one for 5 Year, 3rd time arb eligible players. Because of that, it is far off on value on Skubal.

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        • Bak Pak

          1 month ago

          What does what the rest of the world make in their jobs have to do with what players that are the best 5 or 10 in the world at what they do get paid?

          If you really think a pitcher’s job is only 32 days, I have oceanfront property in Arizona I would like to sell you.

          Pitchers work everyday. About 300 days per year. They participate in GAMES every 5 days if they are a starting pitcher. More if they are a reliever. But they work as hard or harder than position players. Game prep alone is 3-4 days of 4-5 hours per day.

          If at any point all the pitchers do is step on the mound every 5th game, they will get injured very fast and their results will go straight in the toilet.

          Sometimes I marvel at how ignorant of what is necessary to play at the MLB level that fans really are.

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        • Bak Pak

          1 month ago

          The arb panel has no choice with Skubal except to judge based on free agent compensation. His performance on the field is unprecedented. Since the rule was added to the CBA no starting pitcher has either led the league in ERA nor won the Cy young. Skubal did it twice. He should win easily and it he doesn’t you can expect the MLBPA to push for free agency 2-3 years earlier in the next CBA. This case is exactly why those rules were put in place.

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        • Bak Pak

          1 month ago

          Joe, that is not true at all. Negotiations is a give and take. Unfortunately the MLBPA negotiators gave away having FA earlier some time back. If Skubal does not win after unprecedented performance on the field and with a rule that is intended to compensate unprecedented performance as if the player is a free agent, the MLBPA today will eviscerate the owners on this point.

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        • Bak Pak

          1 month ago

          If they offered $25 million, he would have signed. He only chose this path because they came in lower than an 11 year old record for a pitcher that was good, but not at the level of elite that Skubal is today.

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        • Bak Pak

          1 month ago

          bigjon, Read the article. Then read the CBA. Until then shut up.

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        • Astros71

          1 month ago

          Bak Pak. Please stop replying to my comments.

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        • Bak Pak

          1 month ago

          84leflore. ABSOLUTELY. When a starter goes into the 7th or 8th it means that a really good setup man gets to sit on the bench and save his arm for another game when he is needed.

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      • Dumpster Divin Theo

        2 months ago

        Embarrassing for Yu Darvish? What’s Yu Got to Do With It, say Tina

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    • Patriot12992

      2 months ago

      Why is it embarrassing? It’s business on both sides

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      • WadeBoggs

        2 months ago

        It’s pathetic Detroit manipulation of a star players

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        • JoeBrady

          2 months ago

          And why isn’t it the player manipulation of the team?

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        • WadeBoggs

          2 months ago

          Management simp identified.

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          I never understood grown men worrying about other grown men’s $. Why not worry about ownwrs $? Because they have more?

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          Simp or simply someone more intelligent than you who refuses to go with your false propaganda?

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        • WadeBoggs

          2 months ago

          Skubal earned his pay. Owners are just skimming off the work of the real stars.

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        • YankeesBleacherCreature

          2 months ago

          It’s business and both sides are operating within the rules of the current CBA, just like the Dodgers deferring salaries. Nothing to get hot and bothered over.

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        • For Love of the Game

          2 months ago

          And who pays the minors leaguers and non-stars? Who pays for personnel who draft and develop? The players don’t do this by themselves. But they’re probably all overpaid, owners and players. But that’s capitalism.

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        • WadeBoggs

          2 months ago

          Simps everywhere, it seems. Siding with billionaires over a 2x CY on a team that collapsed in the second half is such a pathetic take.

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        • Leo Schnauzer

          2 months ago

          So then Boras simp sighting?

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        • kzw

          2 months ago

          @WadeBoggs…I’m not trying to argue with you, only simply trying to understand. You’re calling everyone “simps” without explaining anything. You said “Skubal earned his pay” but what are you suggesting? Are you upset at the Tigers offer? Are you upset with the arbitration system as a whole?

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        • Avory

          2 months ago

          @kzw

          The guy’s not interested in a balanced discussion, merely acting in a reflexive, dogmatic manner regardless of a matter’s complexity.

          Why not ask why Boras so avidly protects the interests of the upper crust in the MLBPA while the vast majority of the rank and file’s contributions go unrewarded? The big time agents and star players run the union for their benefit every bit as MLB is run for the benefit of the big markets. Sell those dreams of riches, Scott!

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        • Hammerin' Hank

          2 months ago

          There’s nothing pathetic or manipulative about it. They made their offer and the arbitrators will decide. Just normal baseball business here.

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        • Hammerin' Hank

          2 months ago

          Your worrying about the guy possibly only getting $19 million this year is what’s pathetic.

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        • Avory

          2 months ago

          @Hammerin’ Hank

          There’s truly aggrieved labor and there’s annoyed labor. I’d count Skubal among the latter.

          Not exactly where I’d be drawing a line in the sand on workers’ rights. Especially, as I said, those workers don’t bargain for the entire group, just the right of the upper 5% to get as much as possible, well beyond their actual contribution to a team winning. Even Skubal needs a bunch of good defenders behind him and some hitters to drive in runs, does he not?

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        • TheBigKurtz

          2 months ago

          If you’re truly this upset that he’ll miss out on the $32MM figure, you should be more than willing to pay him the $13MM yourself. It’s easy to suggest what players should be paid when it’s not your money. It’s a totally different story when it is.

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        • kzw

          2 months ago

          @Avory…the second paragraph is a perfect argument. Spot on assessment.

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        • Steinbrenner2728

          2 months ago

          Not exactly simping but close. Though JoeBrady in particular is an infamous bootlicker.

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        • Dorothy_Mantooth

          2 months ago

          The people who are calling out Detroit for being “cheap” in their arbitration offer to Skubal are the same people who were calling the Illitch’s dumb for paying Miguel Cabrera way too much money in the final 2-3 seasons of his long term contract. This is how baseball works, fellas.

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        • Unclemike1526

          2 months ago

          It’s also how players feelings get hurt and it’s part of the process too. It’s the kind of thing that makes guys walk, Of course depending on whether they really had a shot at re signing him anyway. Which by the way I have reservations about. He’s definitely getting traded now. They’ll get way more than a QO pick.

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        • Bak Pak

          2 months ago

          Why are you worrying about what other people will earn? Hypocritical much?

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        • BaseballGuy1

          2 months ago

          You meant to say the manipulation of teams by MLB players.

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        • cajundago19

          2 months ago

          Beautiful simpery. Nobody is siding with anyone. Many are jealous of Skubal’s situation… and the owners situation. You’d be horrible at a Christmas party.

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        • KnicksFanCavsFan

          2 months ago

          @Joe

          The player has no leverage unless he refuses to show up to ST which is something you rarely see in baseball but happens often in the NFL. So no leverage, no manipulation.

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        • KnicksFanCavsFan

          2 months ago

          @,AI

          I’m confused. Are you more pro player or owner? Or rather are you suggesting we need to look at it from the owners perspective.? Please explain if you don’t mind. I’m asking honestly, no agenda.

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        • KnicksFanCavsFan

          2 months ago

          @wade

          In this case I think we can all agree that $19 was too low of the starting point of negotiations. They had to know that was going to be rejected. But in general, the owners aren’t just worked as it 1 players salary but all 40 on the roster, the stadium employees, the stadium expenses. what they have to pay in general and their shareholders, etc. It’s a business and businesses are usually team like a business.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 months ago

          Avory
          There’s truly aggrieved labor and there’s annoyed labor. I’d count Skubal among the latter.
          ==========================
          IMO, I wouldn’t even agree that this is annoyed labor. Annoyed labor is when you are forced to do something that you never agreed to in your hiring contract.

          I’ve done things all the time that I didn’t like. I did them because I agreed to do them when I was hired.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 months ago

          Steinbrenner2728
          Though JoeBrady in particular is an infamous bootlicker.
          ======================
          I simply point out facts. Skubal agreed to the process via his union management. If you think there should be a CBA, but not everyone needs to abide by it, then you are completely out to lunch.

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        • WadeBoggs

          2 months ago

          Avory – there is no balanced discussion to be had. The reality is plain – MLB teams keep pitcher salaries artificially low during arbitration to protect their billionaire owner profits. The end.

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        • WadeBoggs

          2 months ago

          Hammerin – nah. It’s pathetic and manipulative. It’s a slap in the face to Skubal. Detroit is a garbage org.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 months ago

          KnicksFanCavsFan
          The player has no leverage unless he refuses to show up to ST
          ======================
          As it should be. The world is a better place when we have mutually agreed upon rules, and everyone abides by them. It makes -0- difference to me who wins.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 months ago

          WadeBoggs
          The reality is plain – MLB teams keep pitcher salaries artificially low during arbitration
          ==================
          That’s the same in every arbitration. Someone wants to receive more: someone wants to pay less.

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        • WadeBoggs

          2 months ago

          Ah, ignoring the specificity of the situation and hiding behind basic generalities. How lickish of boot.

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        • Melchez17

          2 months ago

          Well, at least they stopped abusing women. Harris brought in some real clowns.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 months ago

          WadeBoggs
          Ah, ignoring the specificity of the situation and hiding behind basic generalities. How lickish of boot.
          =================
          Don’t know what that means. You said MLB teams want to keep salaries low. I responded by saying players want to keep salaries higher. I am obviously 100% correct. But if you’d like to argue either of my points, please feel free to do so.

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        • WadeBoggs

          2 months ago

          Nah, Brady, you’re patting yourself on the back insufferably for nothing. Your oversimplification to devalue arguably the best pitcher in the game is meritless. He deserves a bigger raise than the DeGrom comp in the article. Without him, the Kitties are toothless.

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        • JoeBrady

          1 month ago

          1-I’ve said at least twice that Skubal was the best in the game.

          2-And what I posted was that players want the best possible salaries and the owners want the cheapest possible salaries.

          There is no use in trying to argue those facts.

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        • WadeBoggs

          1 month ago

          No, you accused the player of manipulation in defense of the team I accused of manipulating the player. Thus, you simped for management, and now you try to obfuscate your way backwards off that hill. Shameful really. Detroit low-balled their key player. It’s pathetic. The end.

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        • JoeBrady

          1 month ago

          One poster suggested that the team was manipulating the process in their favor.

          In fact, both parties in any arbitration will manipulate the process in their favor.

          This is blindingly obvious.

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    • Dumpster Divin Theo

      2 months ago

      Arbitration transcript

      Skubal: Steak!

      Tigger: Pizza.

      Skubal: Lobster!

      Tigger: Pizza Pizza.

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    • gshep7

      2 months ago

      More importantly, does this limit the Tigers ability to pursue the remaining big name free agents like Bregman?
      Not knowing if they’ll be spending another 13 million seems like it could be a prohibitor.

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    • redmatt

      2 months ago

      I honestly think his reps did him a bit of a disservice filing that high. If it makes it to arbitration, the arbiter goes on the preponderance of the evidence. I think k DET will have an easier time justifying $19m than skubal’s side can justify $31 million. They’ve honestly put him in a bad position.

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      • Simm

        2 months ago

        People are looking at what he deserves. Not the system that exists which is agreed to in the CBA.

        My guess is based off of his 10m last year they won’t value in arb greater than 25m, which mean the tigers will likely win this case

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        • JoeBrady

          2 months ago

          I have no idea why people cannot understand this. Skubal, via the union, has agreed to this exact process.

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        • JuanUribeJazzHands

          2 months ago

          JB

          The union, which Skubal has no choice but to be a part of if he wants to play in MLB, agreed to this process.

          He’s bound by it. He didn’t agree to it.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 months ago

          He’s bound by it. He didn’t agree to it.
          =======================
          If you want to phrase it that way, I’m fine with it. Maybe it is more accurate. But that’s the nature of being in a union. I remember a good friend of mine was beside himself when the doorman’s union went on strike. Half his salary was in tax-free, take-home tips. He was going to lose thousands just to earn another 10 cents an hour.

          But he had to abide by the union rules.

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        • redmatt

          2 months ago

          He’s free not to pitch in the US if the rules are so oppressive.

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        • JuanUribeJazzHands

          1 month ago

          rm

          “He’s free not to pitch in the US if the rules are so oppressive”

          I can never understand this type of sentiment.

          Why do so many baseball fans seem to hate baseball players?

          A lifetime of being brainwashed by capital, who controls most of the media, to believe that labor should just be glad to get whatever capital decides to bestow on them.

          Like, “I have to be satisfied with a low hourly wage, just 2 weeks of vacation, no maternity/paternity leave, crappy health care, etc…” so it’s fine for MLB players to accept artificial salary restrictions”.

          Capital has brainwashed labor into rooting against itself.

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        • Avory

          1 month ago

          You’re being melodramatic here. I’m as lefty as they come, but this is not a “labor” war in any traditional sense. This isn’t oppressed labor vs. entrenched capital. That war ended decades ago.

          No, this is big markets and star players and their agents trying to protect their largess against the small markets and rank and file players who are sold pipedreams that they’ll be able to compete for big money just like everyone else. Riiiiight.

          The battle is not players vs. owners. It’s the battle between those who suppress competition and those who recognize that a league is only as strong as the interest in it, an interest that only comes from a belief among patrons that the rules governing the league recognize the importance of more or less equitable competition.

          And without the rules that permit some measure of control over players so that small revenue markets can apply resourcefulness to build competitive teams–or even the pretense of them–you don’t have a “league” at all.

          Don’t get me wrong; I’m not in favor of salary caps or anything that further restricts the compensation of players. Teams are responsible for fully sharing revenue before they ever go to the players for any salary concessions.

          But let’s not pretend that the star players and big-time agents don’t find the current player “controls” extremely beneficial. Free agency is an artifice that doesn’t reflect the true value of players but a limited dispersal of players who derive benefits far in excess of their real value. The rank and file dream of such riches, and are sold the promise of such riches in return for supporting the status quo, just like small market owners are told to shut up and enjoy their equity gains.

          You want to see what players are truly worth? Abolish multi-year contracts, share all revenue, and make every player in the game a free agent every year. Then and only then will you know what the true value of players are to the bottom line, and their individual contribution to winning.

          Oh, this is a battle of haves and have nots all right, just not in the way people think.

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        • JuanUribeJazzHands

          1 month ago

          A

          That’s a different discussion

          This is what I responded to

          “He’s free not to pitch in the US if the rules are so oppressive”

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  2. CuriousEyes8

    2 months ago

    It seems Skubal’s time with the Tigers might be over.

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    • AI GM

      2 months ago

      Probably but not because of this.

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      • warnbeeb

        2 months ago

        Agree. There’s nothing the Tigers can offer that won’t simply be taken as the starting point for Boras to take to the Dodgers, Yankees, Red Sox, Jays, Cubs or Giants.

        I believe Skubal will sign that crazy deal in 2027 (but it won’t be 10/$400) with the San Fransico Giants.

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    • SalaryCapMyth

      2 months ago

      I mean this probably means it was always going to be over.

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      • AI GM

        2 months ago

        Not many people had him being a tiger on 2027 and many suspected a trade. People have felt this way for year years.

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        • SalaryCapMyth

          2 months ago

          So they havent felt this way for minutes? Okay. Gotcha.😂

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      • JoeBrady

        2 months ago

        I agree. If you think you have a shot of signing him, you’d be more generous. If you think you have no chance, you might as well save the $13M.

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        • Bak Pak

          2 months ago

          They have a real good chance of paying the $32 million and losing him anyway. No savings.

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    • Druuu

      2 months ago

      Less salary equals more value back in a trade. It’s pretty standard stuff from the Tigers, especially if they are out of contention around the trade deadline.

      Boras is more than likely providing a window into next years negotiations, not trying to win an arbitration decision.

      Skubal has relationships with the team and will most likely maintain contact and allow the Tigers the opportunity to match his best FA offer, even if he is traded. He may even sign for a nominally less amount in Detroit if both offers are above the richest SP contact in history.

      Tigers have next to zero payroll commitments. If Skubal posts similar number or wins a third Cy with the team, it would be very surprising if Detroit wasn’t in the bidding to the absolute bitter end, and it would be an absolute tragedy if a work stoppage interrupted a generational pitching career.

      With all the young hitting throughout the organization, Detroit is certainly built to carry a high dollar ace, while cashing in on young cheap production at the plate.

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      • cajundago19

        2 months ago

        See where they are at just before the deadline. This is good business from the Tigers. Imagine the haul just for a few months.

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      • Chasefor28nyy

        2 months ago

        He was a big Athletics fan growing up i wonder if playing in Vegas appeals to him? If not probably will be playing for the Dodgers with an outside chance of the Gaints

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      • ARoseT

        1 month ago

        Good points. I also wonder if it’s relevant that Skubal is on the MLBPA executive subcommittee. As the article points out, the high stakes have the potential to seriously impact future pitcher salaries in arbitration. Good for Boras Corp, obviously, but also something I’d guess the union supports.

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        • WadeBoggsWildRide

          1 month ago

          Nice point.

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        • YankeesBleacherCreature

          1 month ago

          @ARose1 In arbitration, the CBA allows players with five or more years of service time to invoke comparisons with any other players as well with the arb panel. That explains the high ask from Boras. I think Skubal being part of the union certainly motivates him to want to move the arb salary needle.

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      • SportsFan0000

        1 month ago

        The Tigers will not be out of contention by the trade deadline in the AL Central. They have multiple top hitting prospects ready to seize major league jobs.

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      • SportsFan0000

        1 month ago

        Not happening.
        This is Max Scherzer 2.0
        Mike Ilitch tried to keep Scherzer.
        Should have traded Scherzer once Boras and Scherzer
        rejected his last, best offer.

        The young, highly rated players the Tigers would have received
        in a Scherzer deal at that time would have reset the team
        and, perhaps, even prevented the wheels from completely coming off on that Tigers team overburdened by an aging, declining roster saddled by too many maximum veteran contracts.

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  3. kgcubs

    2 months ago

    Come on Detroit, how many of these type of pitchers exist? Mahalo

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    • AI GM

      2 months ago

      Not everyone is as generous as you just handing out free $ for the heck of it.

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      • AndyWarpath

        2 months ago

        *earned money

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      • kgcubs

        2 months ago

        Aloha AI, I’m actually very conservative on spending and believe in a meritocracy, one earns their salary. Maybe Tarik’s $32mil is very high, but I thought after a 6.5 WAR season going into his walk off year, I thought Detroit would offer at least $25mil. Anyhow, his time their may be coming to an end. Mahalo

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          When his first arbitration was 2 million and some that pretty much determined his fate. 10m arb 2. To go from 10 to 32 is drastic and not seen before I believe. So unless arbiter stinks at their job or paid off or something Detroit should win this case. Skubal as a free agent would get 32 easily but because of his arb 1 and 2 he is limited.

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        • outinleftfield

          2 months ago

          KG, that would have been logical.

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        • LFGM31

          2 months ago

          If you read the comparisons in the article though, DeGrom got his league leading largest jump after only 1 Cy young while Skubal is coming of back to back Cy youngs, and David Price who leads all pitchers in total arbitration earnings has not thrown a pitch in baseball in over a decade now. If the arbiter quickly writes off an unprecedented player for asking for an unprecedented amount it will only further fuel the MLBPA during CBA negotiations next winter, as they already see arbitration as a way to artificially lower player salaries. I don’t think this will be such a locked in decision and the Tigers would be better served at this point to trade Skubal before they make even more of a mess of this.

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        • NyyfaninLAA land

          2 months ago

          Teams are very reluctant to set precedents on arb settlements since that is how future arb decisions are made. So blowing well past Skubal’s projected arb number ($17.8) wasn’t something likely.

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          1st cy young took him from 2 something to 10. If he wanted the 2nd cy young to take him to 32 he should have went for 15 instead of 10 previous arbitration. Anything can happen but odds are with Detroit.

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        • BigFred

          2 months ago

          Just FYI, Dave Price pitched for the Dodgers in 2022. His arb salary was over a decade ago.

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        • kzw

          2 months ago

          Maybe I’m in a very small minority here, but I think the arbitration system works just fine. Yes, it is something that lowers players salaries, but don’t most businesses work like this? I know mine does. I work for a multi billion dollar industry and our wages (I’m hourly) are locked in for 4 years. Period. Doesn’t matter how hard you work or how good you are at your job. And maybe my thinking is skewed because I never want to see baseball do anything similar to what the NFL does. I hate the rookie contract stuff. 4th year options, 5th year options…set wages depending on when you were drafted. It just pits all draftees against each other and forces them to ask and want more. Maybe I’m way off, but that’s always been my feelings. And I really don’t want to see guys “holding out” while already under contract.

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        • vikingbluejay67

          2 months ago

          Fair response. You swayed me.

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        • Avory

          2 months ago

          @Formerly Depressed Mets Fan

          Huh? Arbitration artificially lowers player salaries? There’s nothing “artificial” about it. It’s the way the system was designed as a part of the collective bargaining process. Since you’re a Mets fan, I gather you’d like nothing better than to get your hands on the Tarik Skubals of the world quicker, but arbitration is a part of the process which provides some measure of competitive balance. Something you evidently care little about.

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        • Avory

          2 months ago

          The arbitration process, while flawed, is one of the few processes that exists to provide some measure of competitive balance in the sport.

          Where arbitration lags is in what tools the arbitrators use to make decisions. Instead of employing archaic tools like saves, RBI’s, or even Cy Youngs, start using the analytics teams use to evaluate players which would help players get the salaries they deserve based on their real contributions, not just counting stats.

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        • BrisbaneGreg

          2 months ago

          To Formerly Depressed Mets Fan, you’re spot on. They just dogged their best player, and sent a very clear to all their other players.
          Skubal has been awesome, and should be rewarded as such.

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        • BrisbaneGreg

          2 months ago

          * a very clear MESSAGE..

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        • Avory

          2 months ago

          @BrisbaneGreg

          Hilarious. You act like these are children on the playground, not professionals who understand how this business works.

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        • JuanUribeJazzHands

          2 months ago

          “don’t most businesses work like this? I know mine does. I work for a multi billion dollar industry and our wages (I’m hourly) are locked in for 4 years. Period. Doesn’t matter how hard you work or how good you are at your job.”

          “I’m getting screwed, so others should get screwed”

          Always a bad argument

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        • JuanUribeJazzHands

          2 months ago

          “Arbitration artificially lowers player salaries? There’s nothing “artificial” about it.”

          It’s not free market. Thus it’s artificial.

          Get competitive balance by increased revenue sharing and a payroll floor not by limiting player salaries

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        • kzw

          2 months ago

          It’s not getting screwed. I’m not getting screwed either. Not by a long shot. Now, I’m speaking on my behalf (and the behalf of most people who work in industries such as mine). There would be absolutely no way to do wages in any other manner. You can’t do it off performance. We can earn other opportunities that offer higher pay based on knowledge and performance, but it isn’t a huge difference. Basing wages on performance (I’m, again, speaking on my behalf) would create major division between the employees. There are far too many employees to police day to day and it would create a buddy system. My supervisor likes me, so I’m going to get paid more than you even though you are equally as good of an employee. Heck…we had a company meltdown just a couple of years ago because they changed the vacation policy to where new employees could potentially have as much vacation time as employees who been here for over 20 years. The major difference between us common folk and the Tarik Skubal’s of the world is that what we do every day isn’t nationally televised or recorded. Every single aspect of our performance isn’t tracked. Skubal’s is. It’s far far easier to police his performance on the job. So treating his salary based on performance makes a ton of sense. That said…MLB, at the end of the day, is a business and it’s ran as such. So if you think the arbitration process screws players, then that is your prerogative. In some cases, I would agree with you. However, I think it keeps the competitive balance of the league in check.

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        • JuanUribeJazzHands

          2 months ago

          jzw

          ” I think the arbitration system works just fine. Yes, it is something that lowers players salaries, ”

          “It’s not getting screwed. I’m not getting screwed either. ”

          Ok

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        • kzw

          2 months ago

          Like I said…MLB is a business and like most businesses, you have to work your way up to top dollar. Whatever solution you think you have, I guarantee there are holes where people are still going to get screwed.

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        • Bak Pak

          2 months ago

          Here is why Skubal filed for that amount:

          “…the collective bargaining agreement allows players who are one year away from free agency to compare themselves not only to past arbitration precedents, but to free agents as well. There’s ample precedent for free agent pitchers commanding upwards of $30MM annually, with some late-career aces pulling more than $40MM per season on short-term deals.”

          The reason he has a legitimate shot at winning his case is that of all the pitchers to earn $30+ million in FA, Skubal’s ERA was by far the lowest. For pitchers arbitration is almost entirely about 3 things, IP compared to the league that year, ERA, and strike outs. Awards are also taken into account. Having consecutive CY Young Awards will also be in his favor.

          Not saying he will absolutely get his ask, but there is a really good chance he will.

          That you understand so little about how arbitration works that you think the arbitrator would have to be paid off to follow the rules agreed upon in the CBA tells us that at best you are not a serious student of the game and should be ignored. At worst you are a troll we should all ignore.

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        • cajundago19

          2 months ago

          Skubal is walking after next year. Too many other places in MLB willing to pay his asking price…. At least 25 are located in FAR better cities

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        • ohyeadam

          2 months ago

          Anyone who’s worked for a union knows you don’t get what the veterans get just because you are good or work hard. You get that pay when you’re a veteran

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        • rondon

          2 months ago

          2 CY Young awards is pretty “drastic.”

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        • Frenchredsox

          2 months ago

          You’re not a small minority – the system works, sadly those that comment don’t shell out the 19 or 32 million so are playing/commenting using « their Monopoly money ».
          Reality is either sum is enormous for a player when you consolidate how many games he affects … at best one fifth at worst (injury occurs pre season) zero. That’s an investment which the hearing should take into account.
          Unlike the other names mentioned be it Vlad to Soto they affect results at least half the games if not all of them (that’s more a Cal Ripken type player)… these are equally important stats than 2 Cy Youngs’

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        • JuanUribeJazzHands

          2 months ago

          FRS

          “when you consolidate how many games he affects … at best one fifth at worst (injury occurs pre season) zero. That’s an investment which the hearing should take into account.
          Unlike the other names mentioned be it Vlad to Soto they affect results at least half the games ”

          Batters faced/PA’s 2025

          Skubal 748
          Guerrero 680
          Soto 715

          “sadly those that comment don’t shell out the 19 or 32 million so are playing/commenting using « their Monopoly money ».”

          It doesn’t have to be my money to understand what his value is compared to other players.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 months ago

          Avory
          The arbitration process, while flawed
          ================================
          I would’ve even agree the process is flawed. If both parties, free of duress, agree to the process, then whatever you and I think of it, is meaningless.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 months ago

          JuanUribeJazzHands
          It’s not free market.
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          Both parties agreed to arbitration. How is that not free market?

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        • Baseballisthebest

          2 months ago

          Joe,

          Skubal to asked for that amount because in the current CBA a player going through arbitration for the 3rd time must be compared to similar free agent’s compensation. Skubal is the first 3rd time eligible player that has stats this good.

          Who had comparable stats? Verlander, Scherzer, Wheeler, Cole, Snell, and Burnes. How much did they make as an AAV? More than $32 million and several over $40 million.

          The Tigers should have taken that into account. They very well may lose this case.

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        • kcmark

          2 months ago

          I think both the players and owners hate arbitration. It lowers salaries for elite players and it removes cost certainty for the owners

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  4. madduxm

    2 months ago

    Soto got $30M. Yes, Skubal doesn’t hit, but the 2-time Cy Young winner should surely get that $32M. Especially when David Price got almost $20M in 2015

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    • AI GM

      2 months ago

      I dunno what will happen but I would bet on Detroit if I had to. They should know what they are doing. His arb 1 is what really matters. That sets the foundation for the other arbs.

      Skenes won Roy placed high in cy young and won cy young all before arb so he should get 30m arbitration.

      Skubal 2m then 10m so 20m seems like the next logical jump. Not 32m. Arbitration most likely sides with Detroit as they should.

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      • 16

        2 months ago

        Logical if he didn’t have two Cy Young awards to his name. Frankly that’s a good deal for the Tigers and if they had any intention of resigning him (pretty clear that hasn’t been in the cards) this is not the way to go about it. Never heard a player come away from an arbitration hearing happy with the team.

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          His first 3 years were worth 2m and some. A cy young got him 10m arb 2. Arbiter has to pick either 19 or 32. If Skubal agents can show examples of players jumping from 10m to 32 or slightly less he will win. If he can’t Detroit will win unless arbiter wants to throw history out the window.

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        • outinleftfield

          2 months ago

          They were just saying on WXYT that no player has lost in arbitration and resigned with that team.

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          If you wanted to sign with that team and they wanted you well you would do extension. Some sign as free agents. I would guess more players teams agree to salary vs fighting it out in arbitration. And even the ones that do agree the player more often leaves in free agency. Didn’t research but seems pretty safe. Many teams trade players before they become free agents. Doesn’t seem like a large sample size. And of that size I would think teams would only be interested in signing a small portion of those players.

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        • RagingBull

          2 months ago

          AI GM,

          Who says an arbitrator has to follow history? You’re describing a formula based off the average pitcher, not a prodigy. By your reasoning there would be no reason for arbitration as there’s a defined formula.

          Not saying Skubal is worth $32M. But an arbitrator might (at least 2 of 3)

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          Precedent is a thing. I think. I didn’t create it. I’m not our supreme leader. Could they go rogue sure. I’m in the business of probable over possible.

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        • Hammerin' Hank

          2 months ago

          They do follow history though.

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        • Avory

          2 months ago

          @outinleftfield

          Relevance? He was NEVER signing with the Tigers.

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        • Avory

          2 months ago

          Arbitrators don’t give two hoots who is a “prodigy.”

          He’s only a prodigy because he’s pitching in an American League where there is a current paucity of great pitching.
          Is Gerritt Cole a “prodigy”? How about Garrett Crochet?

          That’s how awards work. You have a great year when no one else does, or you have few competitors. You could have the same year next year and someone else is better.

          Two years of fantastic pitching don’t even get you into the Hall of Fame. And it sure as heck isn’t going to sway an arbitrator to change the way they’ve done things for years.

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        • JuanUribeJazzHands

          2 months ago

          RB

          “Not saying Skubal is worth $32M”

          Skubal is worth well more than $32 million

          Maybe not in the BS arbitration model, but on the free market

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        • Bak Pak

          2 months ago

          You keep getting that wrong. Skubal doesn’t have show examples of players that jumped from $10 million to $32 million. His agent won’t even talk about precedents for arbitration case raises that were before the current CBA. He just has to show how Skubal’s performance compares to free agents that have made the money he is asking for or more. That is what is in the CBA as the rules for 3rd time arbitration cases. The arbitrator won’t be throwing history out the window, they will be following the rules for arbitration in the most recent CBA. It seems you need to read the document because you have no clue what you are talking about.

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        • Bak Pak

          2 months ago

          Here is why Skubal filed for that amount:

          “…the collective bargaining agreement allows players who are one year away from free agency to compare themselves not only to past arbitration precedents, but to free agents as well. There’s ample precedent for free agent pitchers commanding upwards of $30MM annually, with some late-career aces pulling more than $40MM per season on short-term deals.”

          The reason he has a legitimate shot at winning his case is that of all the pitchers to earn $30+ million in FA, Skubal’s ERA was by far the lowest. For pitchers arbitration is almost entirely about 3 things, IP compared to the league that year, ERA, and strike outs. Awards are also taken into account. Having consecutive CY Young Awards will also be in his favor.

          Not saying he will absolutely get his ask, but there is a really good chance he will.

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        • Bak Pak

          2 months ago

          He might have. He has said he wanted to stay in Detroit on more than one occasion. After this? No way he stays.

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        • JuanUribeJazzHands

          2 months ago

          Wait

          Are you suggesting that AI GM doesn’t know much more about this than Scott Boras?

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        • JoeBrady

          2 months ago

          RagingBull
          You’re describing a formula based off the average pitcher, not a prodigy.
          ===========================
          I doubt the arbiter will put too much faith in what the average pitcher gets paid. There are plenty of cases for AS-level SPs like Price that he can consider. Price got a $5.75M raise. I believe Lincecum never received more than a $5M raise, and he also had B2B CY’s.

          If Skubal was traded to my RS, and all it took was $320M/8 to extend him, I’d drive him to Boston myself. But that’s not how arbitration works.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 months ago

          JuanUribeJazzHands
          Skubal is worth well more than $32 million. Maybe not in the BS arbitration model, but on the free market
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          As a RS fan, I’d pay Skubal $40M and not blink an eye. But the owners and players have agreed to this model. That’s all that counts.

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        • Baseballisthebest

          2 months ago

          Joe, the owners and players agreed to use a comparison to free agent compensation for 3rd time arbitration eligible players.

          Who are the comparable free agent stating pitchers the arbitration panel must compare Skubal to and how much did they get in AAV?

          Its more than $32 million which is why Skubal may win this case.

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        • redmatt

          2 months ago

          Close. Arbitration for pitchers is about how you compare to others in your service class, what their comps are, and what they make. The arbiter has to determine if $19m or $32 million fit in the structure for someone with his service time. I may be wrong, but $19m is more easily to justify. For skubal to win, he’s got to prove he’s worth more than $25.5 million.

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        • Avory

          1 month ago

          There is no evidence that players in their 3rd year of arbitration are receiving free agent equivalent salaries.

          Show me an example of this.

          This would be tantamount to saying that a player is essentially in free agency in year six. Sorry, that’s not the case.

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      • Bak Pak

        2 months ago

        His arb 1 or 2 doesn’t matter as much as the clause that says in his last arbitration year he can be compared to free agents and what they made. He has performed better than any of the high price free agent starters did in their walk year.

        If you don’t understand this stuff, just stay quiet next time something like this comes up.

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        • JuanUribeJazzHands

          2 months ago

          BP

          “His arb 1 or 2 doesn’t matter as much as the clause that says in his last arbitration year he can be compared to free agents and what they made.”

          Citation requested

          Yes. He can use free agents as a point of reference. But where do you get that that matters more than his arb 1 and arb 2?

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        • Baseballisthebest

          2 months ago

          He is right. The CBA says that for 3rd time arb players that comparison to free agents takes precedence over earlier arbitration awards.

          There have been no 3rd time arb eligible players that have had the statistics to back up asking for money beyond what historical norms were other than Soto and Ohtani since this rule was put in place.

          It is my understanding that prior to 2021 this was not possible because it was not included in CBA.

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        • JoeBrady

          1 month ago

          The CBA says that for 3rd time arb players that comparison to free agents takes precedence over earlier arbitration awards.
          ========================
          Which section? I read the arbitration section and did not see that language.

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    • This one belongs to the Reds

      2 months ago

      Soto got that because the large markets drive salaries out of sight. Let’s not kid anyone here.

      With the RSN fiasco blowing up in MLBs face with nine teams, it is no surprise there is a chasm here. But he will probably get it and the Tigers will have to trade him to a large market.

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    • Frenchredsox

      2 months ago

      He doesn’t play or affect as many games as Soto – 32 max v 162 max. Even if he did win those 32 he is reliant on those positional players to score 1 run. The opposite isn’t true for the 130 *other games he doesn’t play*
      You are comparing apples and oranges, both fruit but not the same …

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  5. Dock_Elvis

    2 months ago

    Not good. Him losing 13M in the hearing won’t be a good thing for the Tigers. It’s always been ridiculous these can’t go to mediation. An either/or arbitration serves no one.

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  6. Astros71

    2 months ago

    That’s crazy. A 32 million salary is insane though.

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    • 16

      2 months ago

      Not really. When the benchmark for pre-arb players is $31M and he’s been the best pitcher on the planet the past two years. It’s a good deal for the Tigers just based on the value he’s provide me to them over those two years they’re still coming out on top.

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  7. NyyfaninLAA land

    2 months ago

    Kinda likely he loses here despite the Cy’s. But that isn’t great for Detroit.
    Maybe this will spur talk of an extension in conjunction with an improved offer for ‘27.

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    • AI GM

      2 months ago

      12m cheaper is great for Detroit

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    • outinleftfield

      2 months ago

      This guarantees that he will not sign an extension. It says loud and clear I want out of this place.

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      • Poolhalljunkies

        2 months ago

        What is says is the tigers value him alot less than he values himself..and that is why he wont be signing an extension with them…im sure he likes Detroit as a place just fine

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          It doesn’t say anything about how Detroit values him. Has nothing to do about value. They are simply trying to pay an employee as little as possible like most companies do. If he was willing to do an extension I imagine Detroit would have no issue with valuing him at 32m a year.

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        • Hammerin' Hank

          2 months ago

          You don’t know what he likes.

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      • Hammerin' Hank

        2 months ago

        He’s not signing an extension regardless. He’s with Boras. They could offer him $32 million tomorrow and he’ll still be heading for the big free agency payday.

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        • Avory

          2 months ago

          Exactly.

          Anyone who says this has any bearing on Skubal’s present or future negotiations with Detroit is completely out of tune with what’s going on here.

          When a player hires Scott Boras, everyone knows the deal: that player is out to get the biggest bag he can get regardless of team circumstances. I don’t blame Tarik for doing that any more than I fault Detroit for moving forward knowing Skubal’s going elsewhere in 2027.

          There’s nothing Detroit can do to keep him given the realities of baseball in that market. Oh, they can find the money to pay him, but can they also put a competitive team around him? What do they do if Tarik blows out his arm or loses the effectiveness upon which the contract is based? ALL the risk is transferred to the club when this kind of free agent contract is signed. The teams who will sign him can swallow hard if something bad happens, sweep it under the rug, and move on like nothing happened.

          Sorry, but in flyover country–excepting maybe the Cubs–this is not our reality.

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    • Astros71

      2 months ago

      I’m pretty sure this is more than Soto.

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      • Frenchredsox

        2 months ago

        You’re right 2 letters more – but impossible to compare as they’re not same age, positon or even stats wise – let alone intangibles like defense or potential

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    • vtadave

      2 months ago

      Extension? haha

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  8. ef1txx

    2 months ago

    if this is the case, the Tigers must know they have no chance of resigning him. All goodwill will be lost between the two parties. They should just trade him now.

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    • AI GM

      2 months ago

      Goodwill is irrelevant. He will sign wherever he can make the most $. And he is at fault. He has the ridiculous # not Detroit.

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      • Poolhalljunkies

        2 months ago

        Who are you to tell someone that thier self worth is ridiculous?…thats pretty ridiculous in and of itself

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        • marcfrombrooklyn

          2 months ago

          There are a lot of silly people think that players getting paid their value are the reason why ticket prices are high. It’s like complaining that Beyonce’s, Sabrina Carpenter’s, and Taylor Swift’s earnings are undeserved and are the cause of high ticket prices when Live Nation and Ticketmaster are in the business of squeezing every penny out of fans regardless of what they pay the talent, just like MLB owners.

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          Ridiculous that your mind believes that’s what I meant.

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        • Hammerin' Hank

          2 months ago

          He’s not going to win. Detroit’s offer is right in the ballpark of what he’s projected to receive. His $32 million offer is way over what he’s due to get, given his past arbitration salaries.

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        • Hammerin' Hank

          2 months ago

          Who said anything about ticket prices here?

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        • Avory

          2 months ago

          @Poolhalljunkies

          Pretty sure the arbitrator will tell everyone who’s ridiculous with his ruling.

          {Hint: it won’t be the Tigers.]

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        • Frenchredsox

          2 months ago

          Self worth or value isn’t the issue , it’s also (for every sportsman/woman) being the best and getting rewards (trophies or titles).
          Does playing in Detroit do that ? Sometimes (rarely in this world) you can accept a lower financial deal for an ulterior goal – see Ohtani when he signed for the Angels or even the deferred deal to allow the Dodgers’ payroll flexibility to win 2 straight WS. Unlike Tennis or Boxing it’s not the individual that wins the game or the series but a group that works together. Otherwise highest payrolls would automate win ever sporting event – they don’t – be it in Soccer, Baseball or even Cycling – money helps but isn’t ,thankfully the only guarantee of success !

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        • JoeBrady

          2 months ago

          are in the business of squeezing every penny out of
          ===================
          That applies to the entire planet. No one ever says ‘you’re paying me too much’, or ‘are you sure you want to pay that much for my house/car/etc.’.

          The Tigers want the lowest reasonable price.
          Skubal wants the highest reasonable price.

          I have no issue with either position.

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      • Bak Pak

        2 months ago

        Here is why Skubal filed for that amount:

        “…the collective bargaining agreement allows players who are one year away from free agency to compare themselves not only to past arbitration precedents, but to free agents as well. There’s ample precedent for free agent pitchers commanding upwards of $30MM annually, with some late-career aces pulling more than $40MM per season on short-term deals.”

        The reason he has a legitimate shot at winning his case is that of all the pitchers to earn $30+ million in FA, Skubal’s ERA was by far the lowest. For pitchers arbitration is almost entirely about 3 things, IP compared to the league that year, ERA, and strike outs. Awards are also taken into account. Having consecutive CY Young Awards will also be in his favor.

        Not saying he will absolutely get his ask, but there is a really good chance he will.

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        • WadeBoggsWildRide

          2 months ago

          He has maybe a 25% chance to win. It seems more like a statement about the process, or letting everyone know he is going to want $700M in free agency. He is not going to beat Ohtani and Soto in arbitration money. He won’t be beating them in his next contract either. He will probably set the record for pitchers in that regard though.

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        • Baseballisthebest

          2 months ago

          If the arbitration board is forced by rule to compare his stats last season to starting pitchers in their final year before becoming a free agent, Skubal has an extremely good chance of winning.

          His comparables are Cole, Wheeler, and Snell. Verlander and Scherzer prior to their $40 million deals as well. Yamamoto to some extent but because he was an MLB rookie not much.

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        • WadeBoggsWildRide

          2 months ago

          I think it would be pretty cool if he wins. Just don’t think the odds are in his favor.

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    • Joel from NY

      2 months ago

      ef1txx
      I agree. The Mets will be happy to take him off your hands. Who do you want? Don’t ask for McLean or Tong and we can do business.

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      • Astros71

        2 months ago

        McLean is fine, but Tong is probably part of the package.

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    • This one belongs to the Reds

      2 months ago

      They had no chance anyway.

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  9. coloredpaper

    2 months ago

    Adios, playoff Tigers. We barely knew ya!

    Rough time for Tigers fans. He’s the main reason why they have such a bright future. Losing him would be a HUGE step back for their contending hopes fs! Sure, you can always trade him and hope for a haul, but being so close to FA, doubt it’ll be a big enough asset to replace the sting of losing him

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    • AI GM

      2 months ago

      It’s one player. Pirates have Skenes look what that has done for them so far. Angels Trout Ohtani.

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      • coloredpaper

        2 months ago

        Pirates haven’t built enough to surround Skenes with more talent. That’s on management and ownership.

        The Ilitch still owns the Tigers. Yes, I know it’s a similar situation to the Yankees and Hal, but I would have thought that after years of struggling to rebuild after the V-Mart/Miggy days, finally assembling a team with a bright future would spur them to start building around arguably the best pitcher in the game. Now, they’re probably going to end up losing him and restart another rebuild (they don’t have another player even close to the same tier as Skubal, pitching or hitting-wise.

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          They won’t rebuild. Have a great farm system. No need to rebuild. Plenty of teams who didn’t have the best or 2nd best pitcher in baseball have made the playoffs and even won the world series. Detroit has a bright future with some elite blue chip hitting prospects.

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        • The Saber-toothed Superfife

          2 months ago

          ? Tarik reached #4 on the Tigers and #24 on the MLB propect list.
          Mize, Torque, Green all ahead of Tarik Skubal…..

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          Currently have Rainer 37th. They obviously aren’t very good at their job.

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        • Hammerin' Hank

          2 months ago

          Still #24 overall was quite high.

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        • SportsFan0000

          1 month ago

          Those lists are often meaningless,

          Many prospects in the top 100 are AAA and AAAA players who flame out

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      • Wrrrrr

        2 months ago

        The 2025 Tigers were literally 1 loss away from not being in the playoffs. The 2024 Tigers were 2 losses away. Those teams were never making it to the post-season without him. Scott Harris was gifted those post-season appearances due to the greatest lefty pitcher in the MLB since Kershaw

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    • Hammerin' Hank

      2 months ago

      They were already going to lose him. This arbitration case has nothing to do with that. He’s a Boras client, so it’s adios at the end of the season.

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    • SportsFan0000

      1 month ago

      Smart move would be to trade him and retool the pitching staff at the same time.
      Teams like the Dodgers are loaded with extra, young talented pitching wth big upside that could keep the Tigers in contention for for the next 6-8 years.

      Example: Dodgers: Young RHSP Emmet Sheehan, LHSP Justin Wrobleski, LHSP Jackson Ferris, OF Zihyr Hope, INF/OF Alex Freeland
      Get 2 or 3 of those young starters plus OF Hope and maybe INF Freeland thrown in and the Tigers and the Dodgers both get stronger short and long term.

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  10. chuckyboy1217

    2 months ago

    Only way I’ll accept Bregman not returning to Boston is if they can get Skubal

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  11. scottbour

    2 months ago

    He made $10 million in his 2nd year of arbitration. The Tigers are almost doubling his salary to $19 million. Boras is getting greedy as usual and want 3X his 2025 salary. I will be so happy when we get a salary floor and a salary cap after the 2026 season. The players will be locked out until they agree.

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    • AndyWarpath

      2 months ago

      Rooting against kids and for billionaires is certainly an interesting take.

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      • Joel from NY

        2 months ago

        Andy
        Did you write “rooting against kids”? That’s amusing. Set me straight: millionaire athletes good, billionaire businessmen bad?

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        • rct

          2 months ago

          @Joel: “Set me straight: millionaire athletes good, billionaire businessmen bad?”

          In the specific case of athletes vs. sports team owners? I’m siding with the millionaire athletes every time. No one pays to see an owner. We pay to see the players. And many of the “billionaire businessmen” are either nepo-babies like John Fisher or shady AF businessmen like Steve Cohen (I love him as an owner, but as a businessman he’s almost literally a fraud).

          Fan demand sets the prices for tickets and concessions and TV contracts. I’d rather the athletes get a bigger slice of that revenue than profit-maximizing d-bags like Bob Nutting.

          You’re trying to frame this around the straw man of “wealth = bad”. It’s not intrinsically bad. In this specific case, though, it’s so much easier to root for the players than the owners.

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        • The Saber-toothed Superfife

          2 months ago

          He used the word, “kids”, to be manipulative, like they do in the newspapers.
          Lots of tragedy in the world. If the newspaper wants to make the smear, they will make sure to tell you the number of children killed. It’s sick. Started about 15-20 years ago. It’s a pretty disgusting manipulative tactic.

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        • AndyWarpath

          2 months ago

          Yes. Obviously. Yes. In the battle of millionaires vs billionaires, side with the millionaires. The every day, MLBtraderumors reading, middle class American is a lot closer to Skubal (both in terms of net worth and talent) than they are to these out of touch billionaire owners. Why would anyone root against the poor Dominican kid or the middle class, middle America kid over some liver spotted, tax evading POS?

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        • Hammerin' Hank

          2 months ago

          Think of the children!!!

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        • JuanUribeJazzHands

          2 months ago

          Joel

          “millionaire athletes good, billionaire businessmen bad?”

          Yes

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        • JuanUribeJazzHands

          2 months ago

          S-t

          “they will make sure to tell you the number of children killed”

          Yes. Disgusting to report on children being killed

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      • JoeBrady

        2 months ago

        Rooting against kids and for billionaires is certainly an interesting take.
        =========================
        As if rooting for someone that could probably get a $300M-$400M extension today if he wanted to.is an interesting take.

        “So who are you rooting for today”

        I’m rooting for Skubal, because he is just like me, some poor guy only worth $400,000,000.

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        • AndyWarpath

          2 months ago

          As opposed to the billionaires who are worth…how much?

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        • JoeBrady

          2 months ago

          AndyWarpath
          As opposed to the billionaires who are worth…how much?
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          I assume at least a billion. It’s of no concern to mine. If all you had was a measly $10M, I still wouldn’t be concerned.

          If my RS signed him for $300M/8, I would celebrate. I wouldn’t spend two seconds thinking about whether this was fair to Skubal or Henry.

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    • AI GM

      2 months ago

      It’s probably more about making a point and aiming big hoping to get lucky. He could file at 20 21 and have a better chance of winning but what’s a million or 2 when you are about to get hundreds and maybe you get lucky and get 13m more.

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      • Avory

        2 months ago

        Exactly. It’s just another way to raise Boras’s profile at the short-term expense of the player. Boras tells Skubal, “Don’t worry, the five or ten million you lose here we’ll make up later. Meanwhile, I get my name in the headlines. So do me a solid and ask for the moon.”

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        • JoeBrady

          2 months ago

          How about something more nefarious? I think Boras was unhappy with the union management last time. Maybe Boras purposely sets too high a target, so Skubal gets screwed a little, and Boras uses that to his advantage.

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        • Baseballisthebest

          2 months ago

          Boras advised Skubal to ask for that amount because in the current CBA a player going through arbitration for the 3rd time must be compared to the compensation earned by free agents with similar stats. Skubal is the first 3rd time eligible player that has stats this good.

          Who had comparable stats? Verlander, Scherzer, Wheeler, Cole, Snell, and Burnes. How much did they make as an AAV? More than $32 million and several over $40 million. That is the level of compensation the arbitration panel will have to use in determining Skubal’s award in this case.

          The Tigers should have taken that into account. Skubal may very well win his case.

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    • outinleftfield

      2 months ago

      Don’t hold your breath. Players have said they are willing to talk about both and owners said no because it would require transparency about their finances and 100% revenue sharing. Greedy bastage owners are not willing to let anyone know how much money they are actually making.

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    • cards99

      2 months ago

      i genuinely could not care less about these owners. In my opinion the fans/city should own the team anyways. To call a player greedy for negotiating for a higher salary is honestly gross. We watch baseball because of players like Skubal not to see GMs keep their total salaries under some made up cap. I’d rather never watch another baseball game than have the salary cap implemented and players not paid their worth.

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      • AI GM

        2 months ago

        I promise you if healthy Skubal will play baseball whether it’s for 19 or 32 million.

        Weird fan. Most people who watch mlb watch it if players made 100 grand or 100 million. Who gives a it what another man is making? Well you apparently. Most people have bigger things to worry about that what other people are making $ wise. Skubal ain’t giving them his $.

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        • JuanUribeJazzHands

          2 months ago

          AIGM

          “Who gives a it what another man is making?”

          People who care about things like fairness, equality, justice

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          Worry about yourself and your family. Skubal is going to be just fine even if he has to get by with only 19 million this season.

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        • JuanUribeJazzHands

          2 months ago

          AIGM

          “Worry about yourself and your family.”

          I don’t need to tell me what I should worry about

          Again, the ability to care about people other than yourself is a positive, not a negative

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        • Joel from NY

          2 months ago

          JuanUribe:

          That’s left-wing drivel. Equality? People aren’t equal, never have been, and never will be. Maybe taking some homeless people into your house or apartment is something to consider. Don’t you care about them?

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        • JuanUribeJazzHands

          2 months ago

          Joel

          Muted

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        • JoeBrady

          2 months ago

          JuanUribeJazzHands
          the ability to care about people other than yourself is a positive,
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          There use to be a older black woman, working beer concessions at Yankee Stadium. She had a smile that would make you think she was doing God’s work.

          Her I cared about. Someone making 1000x her salary, maybe I’m being cold-hearted, but I am less concerned.

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        • JuanUribeJazzHands

          2 months ago

          Now do the Ilitch family

          And then a family in, say. rural India

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        • JoeBrady

          2 months ago

          JuanUribeJazzHands
          Now do the Ilitch family And then a family in, say. rural India
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          Easy.

          Someone with a billion $$$, maybe I’m being cold-hearted, but I am less concerned.

          The poor folks the Bronx, them I cared about.

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      • JoeBrady

        2 months ago

        They’d probably get paid more if the took a percentage of the gross.

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      • Joel from NY

        2 months ago

        Maybe da peeple should own the factories and restaurants too? Why stop with the sports teams?

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      • WadeBoggsWildRide

        2 months ago

        Cards99: Your answer to perceived problems in a private entity is for the government to take over?

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    • WadeBoggsWildRide

      2 months ago

      What is wrong with anyone trying to maximize the amount of money they make?

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      • Joel from NY

        2 months ago

        Yup, and jealousy is the essence of left wing thinking.

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      • Joel from NY

        2 months ago

        I don’t like politics on sports blogs, not at all. I am responding to JuanUribe, who brought it up.

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      • JoeBrady

        2 months ago

        WadeBoggsWildRide
        What is wrong with anyone trying to maximize the amount of money they make?
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        Absolutely nothing. But you’ve summarized the issue perfectly. That statement applies to both sides. I can easily interpret that as:

        What is wrong with Ilitch trying to maximize the amount of money they make?

        Or did you mean What is wrong with Skubal trying to maximize the amount of money they make?

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      • WadeBoggsWildRide

        2 months ago

        I meant it as there is nothing wrong with either side. True capitalism is more fair than any other system. It does need limits on monopoly but that is about it.

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      • JoeBrady

        2 months ago

        I agree 100%. For me, this is just two incredibly rich people fighting over a bigger share of the pie. When I buy a house, the seller wants a higher price, and I want a lower price. There is no moral high ground.

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    • JoeBrady

      2 months ago

      Alfred E Neuman
      Team owners are equally greedy.
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      Neither side is greedy. Both sides want a deal in their best interests. Same as you. Same as I.

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    • SportsFan0000

      1 month ago

      Not happening

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  12. Dustyslambchops23

    2 months ago

    What did mlbtr project for this?

    With it being 19 or 32, if the ‘real’ number is let’s say 25 and the arbitrator has to round down to 19 that’s going to be a really tough situation for Skubal.

    Lose lose situation and it’s his last arb so they aren’t going to get a 2 year deal done. Brutal

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    • BBB

      2 months ago

      Projection was 17.8

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    • Baseballisthebest

      2 months ago

      Swartz uses an algorithm which does not take into account the rules that apply in this case.

      Skubal is a 3rd time arbitration eligible player in the current CBA it states that the arbitration panel must take into account the compensation for free agent starting pitchers with similar stats.

      Who had comparable stats? Verlander, Scherzer, Wheeler, Cole, Snell, Burnes, and a couple others. How much did they make as an AAV? More than $32 million and several over $40 million. That is the level of compensation the arbitration panel will have to use in determining Skubal’s award in this case.

      The Tigers should have taken that into account and didn’t. Skubal may very well win his case.

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      • JoeBrady

        2 months ago

        Baseballisthebest
        Swartz uses an algorithm which does not take into account the rules that apply in this case.
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        Care to supply some additional details? Schwartz is the best in the world. I project the RS salary situation based on FG contracts, and Schwartz’ projection. At the end of the year, the differences amount to almost nothing.

        And you are saying that Schwartz is mis-interpreting the rules?

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  13. fathead0507

    2 months ago

    Wheeler can get 45mil yr with no Cy young’s and Detroit doesn’t want to pay the back to back winner 32mil smh

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    • AI GM

      2 months ago

      What Detroit wants is irrelevant. They are a business. They do what they need to do. They will likely win decision.

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      • WadeBoggs

        2 months ago

        AI GM can do nothing but simp simp simp for management on every comment that’s pro-Skubal.

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          I’m a grown adult. I don’t root for other people’s annual earnings. If he gets 19 or 32 makes no difference to me. Just the betting odds are on 19.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 months ago

          WadeBoggs
          AI GM can do nothing but simp simp simp for management
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          I’m not sure why you need to be insulting. I think Mark Twain said it best when he said “The money is tainted. It taint yours and it taint mine’

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        • WadeBoggs

          2 months ago

          Brady – if you’re insulted by being labeled a simp for management, seems to me that you need to look inwards at why that offends you. The Tigers are low-balling the best pitcher in the AL. That’s pathetic. The end.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 months ago

          WadeBoggs
          Brady – if you’re insulted by being labeled a simp
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          Just to refresh your memory, you called AIGM a simp, not me.

          Just to remind you, the one that argues with insults is generally the one losing the argument.

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      • Lonniemac

        2 months ago

        They win the battle of arbitration then lose the war when he walks for nothing after the season.

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          They won’t lose anything. It seemed for awhile he wasn’t going to be a tiger in 2027. Arbitration hearing should have zero to do with it. And if it would ypu wouldn’t want to invest that amount of.$ into him. They have a limited amount of $ to spend. They will simply spend it elsewhere.

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        • Hammerin' Hank

          2 months ago

          He’s walking away with Boras no matter what happens here.

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        • Avory

          2 months ago

          @lonniemac

          They are not getting nothing. They are getting Skubal for the present year with a playoff quality team behind him. Then they’ll get a first round competitive balance pick and hope they develop another really good starting pitcher. That’s the way the process works.

          Stop acting like the Tigers didn’t wring everything they possibly could out of a player they developed and could not control once his arb years are exhausted. What do you want small and medium markets to do with players they draft and develop? Get rid of them as soon as their free agency approaches? Oh, the big markets would just love that…

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        • WadeBoggs

          2 months ago

          Avory – LOL @ “playoff quality team behind him”

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        • Avory

          1 month ago

          Did Juan Soto have a playoff quality team behind him last year? Did Mike Trout or Shohei Ohtani have playoff quality teams behind them while playing for the Angels?

          The Tigers were one game away from the ALCS two years in a row. Lost in extra innings in game five a couple of months ago because the immortal Skubal could only go six. He’s critically important, surely, but blatantly dismissing his teammates is a simplistic (and dare I say, heavily biased) perspective.

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        • WadeBoggs

          1 month ago

          Ha! Cleveland would like a word. Tigers collapsed in the second half. They were lucky in the ALDS – they played like crap half the year and scraped into the playoffs

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        • Avory

          1 month ago

          And on July 8th the Tigers had the best record in all of MLB. Only someone with an immense ax to grind calls it pure luck when a team was within one base hit of the ALCS (or perhaps one additional inning by the immortal Tarik Skubal, if he could only have spared it).

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        • SportsFan0000

          1 month ago

          That has been obvious for a long time,

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        • SportsFan0000

          1 month ago

          Skubal will be traded preferably sooner rather than later.

          Tigers will be getting a whole bunch of young,highly talented, highly rated players & prospects in return that will make them a much stronger ballclub this year.

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        • SportsFan0000

          1 month ago

          Manfred says MLB will eventually be going to “half seasons” like the minor leagues. A team that wins the 1st half is automatically in the playoffs,

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    • Hammerin' Hank

      2 months ago

      Cy Youngs are irrelevant. Wheeler is a great pitcher regardless of how many he’s won. They’re for fans to argue about.

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      • WadeBoggs

        2 months ago

        Hank – again you miss the mark. He won two in a row. He should get a bigger raise than a guy who won one. Cy Youngs are not meaningless at all.

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    • Baseballisthebest

      2 months ago

      That Wheeler got $45 million is a factor in Skubal asking for $32 million. Arbitration panels now must take into account what free agents with similar stats made in AAV for cases involving players in their 3rd time through arbitration. For Skubal the comparables include Wheeler, Verlander, and Scherzer who all recieved more than $40 million. It also includes Cole, Snell, and Burnes who got more than $32 million.

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      • Avory

        1 month ago

        Where does it say that “arbitration panels now must take into account what free agents with similar stats made in AAV for cases involving player in their 3rd time through arbitration”?

        When did that “now” take place? Sometime since the last CBA was signed?

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  14. Motor City Beach Bum

    2 months ago

    19 was too low and 32 was too high, unless he wants to sign a long term contract now!

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  15. AndyWarpath

    2 months ago

    Embarrassing. I’m sure every premium free agent is watching this, enamored with how well Detroit is treating their star player.

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    • stymeedone

      2 months ago

      How is $19MM for his last trip thru arb, not treating him well? Its a 90% raise!!!

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      • GASoxFan

        2 months ago

        Because it comes on the heels of paying your cy young winning pitcher only 10m, when there were 2 years of control left, and could’ve given a much fairer 2 year pact last offseason.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 months ago

          Do you know if a two-year deal was offered, or requested?

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        • Avory

          1 month ago

          @GASoxFan

          Since when was the arbitration process designed to be “fair”?

          There are just as many instances where players had lousy years but teams are required to shell out hefty increases because that’s the way the process works.

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        • GASoxFan

          1 month ago

          Avory – Never said the process is fair or designed to be. Just that DET had the option to do something differently last offseason and chose not to.

          Just like service time manipulation. Its a tool, and its set up for teams to use it. Just how that process works.

          A process can be ‘used’ within its rules, but, still not be fair.

          The more I think about all this, I wonder if this particular fight isnt an opening salvo on players ends hinting at the arb raise system will be a target of theirs in the CBA.

          Skubal wins, good for skubal, good for kids following him like Skenes.

          Skubal loses, it shows a broken system where arb-3 is supposed to be fair market related and yet a back-to-back Cy winner can be held to a 19m salary….

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        • Avory

          1 month ago

          But why should the third year of arbitration be “fair” or “free” market related? The arbitration process is first and foremost a tool for competitive balance, allowing low revenue teams to control players for six years to recoup their investment and allow them some measure of budgetary certainty as they attempt to build teams to compete with the big boys. If we want to dispense with the process (or its pretense) then by all means the teams should level revenue across the board. But do you think they are ever going to do that? Not any more than the players will agree to salary restrictions. Boras’ attempts to break arbitration has only one goal accelerate his clients getting to their big market paydays. He has scant interest in the viability of the entire league. Not saying he should, that’s not what he’s paid to do. But let’s not act like this is fan friendly or “fair.”

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        • GASoxFan

          1 month ago

          Avery- players with above 5 years of service time (Skubal 5.114) are supposed to, according to the system as its written, be allowed to compare themselves to *any* player in MLB for purposes of salary during their last trip through arbitration, including free agent deals or extension contracts. Not merely players entering their equivalent arbitration year.

          Its a distinction that doesnt exist for players with 5.000 or under service time, which, is why you dont see it arise as often, and, not even in every final arb trip. In some ways it makes up for that service manipulation tying a player to a MLB club for more than 6 seasons

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        • DroppedThirdStrike

          1 month ago

          Yes, not that the panel has to take those comparisons into account, just that Skubal’s team may use those FA contracts to help make their case.

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        • Avory

          1 month ago

          @GaSoxFan

          That’s a helpful clarification, thank you.

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        • JoeBrady

          1 month ago

          GASoxFan
          DET had the option to do something differently last offseason and chose not to.
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          Is that a fact? Did Skubal say he wanted a two-year deal last year, and Detroit refused?

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    • AI GM

      2 months ago

      The free agents or their agents know how arbitration works and shouldn’t have any issue with this. And if they did they are mostly mercenaries and if Detroit pays them the most $ will gladly go there.

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      • WadeBoggsWildRide

        2 months ago

        I could see a team going to $20M just to give him the record for pitchers. Throw him a bone. It would help with PR more than anything.

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    • WadeBoggs

      2 months ago

      Great point. This is an awful look for a team that fell apart last year.

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    • JoeBrady

      2 months ago

      LOL! Like Bregman is going to turn down $200M because he feels bad that Skubal is not going to set a new record?

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    • Hammerin' Hank

      2 months ago

      Embarrassing how?

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  16. stymeedone

    2 months ago

    The record in arb is under $20 mm. Detroit should have topped that with their offer. Being under, even less than a million under the record, gives the arbitrator something to think about. They either sign him long term before the hearing, or this is his last season in Detroit.

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    • outinleftfield

      2 months ago

      Are you saying Skubal doesn’t deserve to break that 11 year old record?

      Price was coming off a 3.26 ERA season when he got paid that $19.75 million. By the Tigers, by the way.

      Skubal is coming of back to back Cy Young awards and a 2.21 ERA. Skubal is better. He should get more money plus inflation. Just the increase for inflation would put it at approximately $27 million today.

      Insults like this do not equal players signing long term. They equal players being gone at the end of the season without even giving the team a shot at making an offer.

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      • Baseball_Savant

        2 months ago

        @outinleftfield very well said, agree exactly with this.

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      • sorengo99

        2 months ago

        I think OP is saying the exact opposite. A team offer above the Price record gives the arbiter one less point of comparison in Skubal’s favor. Thus that the arbiter is much more likely to side with the team at $20M than $19M, so a poor negotiating move by Detroit.

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        • Baltimore_44

          2 months ago

          It’s because Price didn’t make 15 starts in 2023 like Skubal and not set himself up with a higher base. David Price made 32+ starts in all years in arb.

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        • sorengo99

          2 months ago

          Did Price also run away with back to back Cy Youngs in the previous two arb years? Come on, man, comparing Price of that era to latter day Skubal is laughable.

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        • Baseballisthebest

          2 months ago

          MLB arbitration rules do not allow the panel to look back that far.

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      • NyyfaninLAA land

        2 months ago

        Players rarely sign extensions in their last arb year anyway – so close to it the lure of seeing what FA will offer makes sense.
        But with the huge difference between the numbers here I think there is a path to some kind of deal with Detroit offering a bigger raise for ‘26 and a few added years at Cole money +.
        I don’t expect it to happen though.

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  17. tigerdoc616

    2 months ago

    Skubal made $10.15M last year. Tigers offer nearly double, He is asking for triple. When Soto got $31M his previous year salary was $23M. Tripling a salary in arbitration is nearly unheard of, at least at the higher levels of arbitration.

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    • MLBUmpire

      2 months ago

      That’s what people aren’t realizing

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    • Billy Goats

      2 months ago

      Yeah. I remember a situation the Mariners had a couple years ago where the filings were way off (not this extreme though), and it turned out they were finalizing a longer extension but just had to turn numbers in before the deadline.

      The other thing fans refuse to accept is that arbitration contracts reflect more upon the 30 front offices collectively than they reflect upon the Tigers.

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    • outinleftfield

      2 months ago

      The record for a pitcher was 11 years ago at $19.74 million. Since then position players have been offered around $30 million. No top pitcher has gone to arbitration.

      Skubal has 2 straight CY and is coming off a 2.21 ERA season which is quite a bit better than the 3.26 ERA that David Price got to set that record in 2015. Skubal deserves to break that record and by a large margin. Inflation puts that number at around $27 million.

      Are you trying to say that Skubal doesn’t deserve to break that record or that pitchers don’t deserve as much as position players?

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      • Billy Goats

        2 months ago

        There is not a single arb agreement where the player is getting what they deserve on the open market. That’s not how it works.

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      • JoeBrady

        2 months ago

        It doesn’t have as much to do with what other players have gotten as much as it has to do with your own year-to-year increases. If Romy Gonzalez hits 40 HRs this year, he still isn’t getting a $30M arbitration award.

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        • Baseballisthebest

          2 months ago

          Joe, not anymore. In the current CBA the arbitration proceedings for 3rd time eligible players is based on what comparable players made in AAV in the free agent market.

          For Skubal the comparables include Wheeler, Verlander, and Scherzer who all recieved more than $40 million. It also includes Cole, Snell, and Burnes who got more than $32 million.

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      • WadeBoggsWildRide

        2 months ago

        Outinleft: No top pitchers have gone to arbitration in 10 years?

        Also Price was in his 4th Arb year.

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        • Baseballisthebest

          2 months ago

          Wade, I had to question that one myself. When I looked it up, he was right. No CY Young winning pitcher or qualifying starting pitcher that led his league in ERA has gone through an arbitration hearing. They all signed before that happened.

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        • WadeBoggsWildRide

          2 months ago

          Oh wow that makes things more interesting for sure. Thanks for the added info.

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    • rct

      2 months ago

      Agreed but I think Detroit might have boned themselves. A $22 million (or something like that) filing figure would have made this an easier decision for the arbitrator in favor of Detroit. They’re so far apart right now that the door is open for Skubal’s number.

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    • JoeBrady

      2 months ago

      Same with the Price comparison. Next year’s salary is based off of last year’s salary.

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      • Baseballisthebest

        2 months ago

        Joe, As I pointed out, that is no longer the case. For 3rd time eligible players like Skubal they take into account free agent signings for comparable pitchers.

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        • WadeBoggsWildRide

          2 months ago

          The question here is what percentage of a comparable free agent salary would they award? With no precedent it is hard to make a prediction. Have any other players significantly increased their award by citing free agent comparisons?

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        • Baseballisthebest

          2 months ago

          Its based on AAV.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 months ago

          Is it 100% based on AAV? Because if it is, $32M is too low. He should be the highest paid pitcher in BB. And past that, if Year 3 arbitration is based on FA salaries, then why did Tucker only receive $16.5M? FA OFs with far less talent regularly receive $25M or so.

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        • WadeBoggsWildRide

          2 months ago

          The issue with BBITBs argument is they aren’t providing any examples of players getting more via the free agent salary comparison. It is an empty point without any data to back it.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 months ago

          I’m fine with the assertion, but he is posting like this is a fact. Maybe it is, and if it is, Skubal should win easily. He’s the best in BB.

          But I read every word of the arbitration clauses in the CBA, and I didn’t see anything about comparing 3rd year arb to FA contracts.

          It’s BBITB’s turn to back it up. IMHO, it doesn’t sound or look right.

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        • GASoxFan

          1 month ago

          Joe, I’ve heard and read it elsewhere as well though. Its not out of left field.

          BUT – what i recall reading was it applied to players in excess of 5 years service time. So a guy like skubal at 5.114 it supposedly works

          nytimes.com/athletic/6957986/2026/01/09/detroit-ti…

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        • JoeBrady

          1 month ago

          I don’t have a subscription. But BITB claimed that was the sole criteria. His quote:

          ” a player going through arbitration for the 3rd time must be compared to free agents with similar stats. ”

          There is a world of difference between ‘might consider’ and ‘must consider’. BITB posted the same thing maybe 10 times. Based on that, I read the CBA. It wasn’t there. If he wants to point out his reference, I will be more than glad to read it.

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  18. outinleftfield

    2 months ago

    A lesson in how to guarantee that a player will absolutely, positively will not resign with your team.

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    • AI GM

      2 months ago

      If they pay him the most $ he will gladly sign with them.

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  19. bernbabybern

    2 months ago

    Skubal is going to lose. Arb is formulaic and he is way above the formula.

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  20. swanhenge

    2 months ago

    Can’t decide which is worse… turning down $19m or asking for $32m. This is simply a trip through arbitration for Skubal, not a FA contract negotiation. Save this nonsense for next year when he’s on the market. I hate rooting against players (agents, I guess), but the offer of $19m is decent. I suppose this is how it ends for Skubal. No one comes out of these looking great.

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    • GASoxFan

      2 months ago

      32 was high.

      But $19m is an insult. Thats saying despite 11 years of wage inflation and general inflation, Skubal with the first back to back AL Cy Young since Pedro Martinez is worth that much less than David Price was in 2015.

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      • NyyfaninLAA land

        2 months ago

        But Price was coming of a $14 million contract in the prior year then got $19.75.
        Could Detroit have offered $20 million to top that number? Probably yes. But their offer isn’t an insult. And I’m sure they would gladly settle on a number in the low 20’s to give him that record spiff.

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          Has it been reported what they offered? What they offered and what they filed could be different no. If he would have signed for 19.5 or 20 would they have not done so to avoid arbitration.

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      • JuanUribeJazzHands

        2 months ago

        “But $19m is an insult”

        Not an insult

        But a broken system

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      • WadeBoggsWildRide

        2 months ago

        Price was also 4th year of arbitration.

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    • AI GM

      2 months ago

      And I would imagine Detroit would have done 20m to make him feel better and avoid arbitration.

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    • Baseballisthebest

      2 months ago

      If Skubal wins he sets a higher floor for free agent negotiations. He has a very good chance of winning because 3rd time eligible players must be compared to free agents in arbitration.

      For Skubal the comparables include Wheeler, Verlander, and Scherzer who all recieved more than $40 million. It also includes Cole, Snell, and Burnes who got more than $32 million.

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  21. SalaryCapMyth

    2 months ago

    Is Paul Skenes agent taking notes right now? 😂

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    • AI GM

      2 months ago

      Hopefully his agent already knows how terrible the odds are to jump 22 million in a single arbitration year. If not you need to get a new agent Paul.

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      • SalaryCapMyth

        2 months ago

        Let’s both revisit the birth of the doily cot opera company.😂

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          I need to visit

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        • SalaryCapMyth

          2 months ago

          LOL! Sorry to hurt your feelings. It was just a Family Guy reference spelled out from captions on youtube. 😂

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  22. burly

    2 months ago

    Skubal has more than five years of service with back to back Cy Young based on two ERA titles, one Wins and one Ks. I think he has a good shot at winning because I think arbitrator will arrive at value closer to his number, based on other pre-arb top salaries.

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    • kzw

      2 months ago

      @burly…I don’t see him winning. And I’m not saying that he doesn’t deserve it because, on the open market, he’d get more. However…this is a decision that sets a precedent. A major one that will ultimately effect the entire arbitration process as a whole. It’s extremely rare for the disparity in what the player wants and what the team is offering to be this large. If Skubal wins…it’s going to happen far more frequently and the competitive balance of the league is going to tank. Players of Skubal’s talent (such as Paul Skenes) are going to be traded to the large markets far earlier in the arbitration process because the smaller markets won’t be able to afford them. Not only does pricing the player out of small markets make them worse, but it also significantly lowers the players value in a trade further hurting the small markets.

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      • WadeBoggsWildRide

        2 months ago

        The return for said players would also lower because the trading team has less leverage. If everyone knows you need to sell your car to pay your mortgage, they low-ball you.

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        • kzw

          1 month ago

          That’s what I meant by it lowering the player value in a trade.

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  23. Louie and Nellie

    2 months ago

    $32 million for a 6.29 innings per start. No way! Also, pulled himself after 5 innings in game 5 of Detroit/Seattle playoff. Lucky to get $19 million.

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    • rct

      2 months ago

      He’s the best pitcher in baseball right now, maybe 1A behind Skenes. You’re cherry-picking two things to denigrate him and the first part (6.29 inning per start) is without context. He was third in the entire league in that stat.

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    • JuanUribeJazzHands

      2 months ago

      LaN

      I don’t understand why so many baseball fans seem to hate baseball players

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  24. wbz41

    2 months ago

    Wow. Letting this get to even exchanging numbers seems like a huge unforced error by the organization.

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    • AI GM

      2 months ago

      Should they just caved and given him 10 to 13 million more out of goodness of their heart? I’ll go work for that company.

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      • wbz41

        2 months ago

        Depends if they want to sign him again or not. He’s only the best pitcher on earth.

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          You think he will take tens of millions less just because Detroit took him to arbitration? I don’t. Would I want a player who would prioritize a arbitration grudge over a city teammate fans? Who wasn’t smart enough or mentally strong enough to excuse a strictly business decision? No.

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        • wbz41

          2 months ago

          I don’t think he takes anything less when he reaches FA. I’m just saying Detroit likely improves their odds of retaining, again, the best pitcher on earth by not going to an arbitration hearing where they’re going to trash him. 25MM and he probably takes it. And if he stays healthy he’s worth a lot more than that.

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          It shouldn’t matter at all. Unless he is a complete idiot or psycho he realizes Detroit done exactly as expected and should have done and other teams would have done the same. All he had to do was type in his name arbitration projection or ask his agent. Why there is a saying nothing personal just business.

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      • Queen Soto

        2 months ago

        No but you don’t let it get to this point is what he’s saying. When you realize it’s that big of a gap where your going to pay a hefty $32M or upset him at $19M you make a push for $24/25M or after trying to figure it out and offering $19M they should have filed at $22M and surprised him that they were willing to file $3M higher so he feels some extra value in the event they win the case which is likely.

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  25. dkhits20

    2 months ago

    If it goes to hearing, the Tigers will win and Boras knows it. Seems like an attempt to squeeze a few more million out of the Tigers as a good faith gesture to Skubal in order to start the season on a positive note?

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    • Baseballisthebest

      2 months ago

      In the current CBA arbitration panels now must take into account what free agents with similar stats made in AAV for cases involving players in their 3rd time through arbitration. For Skubal the comparables include Wheeler, Verlander, and Scherzer who all recieved more than $40 million. It also includes Cole, Snell, and Burnes who got more than $32 million.

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  26. 30 Parks

    2 months ago

    Tigers should know better – such hearings rarely end well in terms of maintaining good will.

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    • AI GM

      2 months ago

      If they can’t extend him what do they care?

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      • 30 Parks

        2 months ago

        … then they should have traded him prior to such a hearing.

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          If he is so sensitive he takes arbitration personally is it not better for Detroit to upset him vs his brand new team upsetting him? I imagine his arbitration demands would have been a turnoff as well. Most teams have a budget and or tax issues so knowing if he is going to cost 17 18 19 pr 30 31 32 is important.

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      • Avory

        2 months ago

        @30 Parks

        What is Skubal going to do? Pout and not pitch well? Oh, that would make sense heading into free agency.

        C’mon, people, THINK!

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        • 30 Parks

          2 months ago

          Thinking is a good idea, Avory. The arbitration process requires the team to criticize the player – like it or not. It’s not a matter of pouting, it’s the potential of the Tigers damaging their rapport with Skubal, Skubal not signing an extension, all while the Tigers lose leverage in the trade process. Thinking, like baseball, is complicated.

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        • Avory

          2 months ago

          OMG. The Tigers aren’t doing a damn thing to “damage the rapport” with Skubal. Tarik’s agent is doing all the grandstanding here, asking for what he knows is unreachable, all to grab headlines.

          There’s no leverage lost in a trade process here, it’s the PRESERVATION of it. A reasonable third year arbitration award–which in itself represents a significant salary increase–maintains Detroit’s flexibility to deal him if they want to or to supplement the lineup around him.

          You’re not thinking, you’re emoting like the child you think Skubal is.

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        • 30 Parks

          2 months ago

          Slow deep breaths, Avory. “Emoting like the child”- slow deep breaths. Have a good night, Avory.

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        • WadeBoggs

          2 months ago

          Avory lacks cognitive capability

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      • Baseballisthebest

        2 months ago

        A lack of goodwill will have an effect on free agent signings. Please don’t tey to say any player will sign where he is paid the most money because every season several top free agents choose to sign with a team for a reason other than largest contract.

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  27. Goose

    2 months ago

    I don’t get the Tigers. They should be offering an 8 year $35 million contract. If Skubal won’t negotiate or sign a deal they are screwed when the FA hits.

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    • NyyfaninLAA land

      2 months ago

      Who says they haven’t done so? Skubal will easily top Cole’s $36 mm AAV in FA if he’s healthy and productive at years end.

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      • Goose

        2 months ago

        The arbitration number. If they offered $19 million they don’t plan to offer anything in the ballpark. There haven’t even been any rumblings from guys like Olney, Bowden, etc… there have been any negotiations over the last year. That is the per year average and more they should be in.

        Assuming the Tigers are out at the trade deadline, no one is going to give them a ton of talent for a guy that will go to free agency at that point. They are going to get stuck with a compensation pick.

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    • Hammerin' Hank

      2 months ago

      It’s gonna take way more than that. The Tigers are not one of those few teams who give out huge contracts like he’ll be getting.

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      • Goose

        2 months ago

        They did with Miguel Cabrera, they even over did it. Skubal is one of those foundation guys that the money is worth it.

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        • Avory

          1 month ago

          He will be a 30 year old pitcher. Pitches six innings every fifth day.

          THINK.

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  28. Jdawginsc

    2 months ago

    This is classic Boranomics.

    Though I think Detroit and Skubal definitely would have won had they countered with the value of this years QO

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  29. Mustard Tiger

    2 months ago

    Just remember no team wins an arbitration hearing. They either lose or “win” and have a pissed off key member of their team. This better settle before the hearing.

    If Skubal loses the hearing I could see him spending some time on IL with a hamstring strain or some such thing.

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    • AI GM

      2 months ago

      Who cares if they are pissed? What’s he gonna do tank his final year before free agency.

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      • WadeBoggs

        2 months ago

        Management simp identified

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        • Hammerin' Hank

          2 months ago

          Moronic know-nothing identified

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    • Hammerin' Hank

      2 months ago

      You really think he’s going to not go all out in his walk year? He’ll make every start he can, no matter how he feels about Tigers management.

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  30. Asfan0780

    2 months ago

    Skubal come back home to California, play 2 years in Sacramento and be the face of the franchise for the Vegas A’s.

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    • Steinbrenner2728

      2 months ago

      I think you logged into the wrong alt account, John.

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    • AI GM

      2 months ago

      Give him the largest pile of $ and he will gladly sign wherever the Athletics play baseball at.

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      • Hammerin' Hank

        2 months ago

        He surely will.

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      • Baseballisthebest

        2 months ago

        That is not necessarily true. Every year several top free agents sign for a reason other than largest contract. Bregman, Burnes, and Soto all has offers for equal or large amounts that they passed on to sign where they did last season. That is the case every year.

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  31. WadeBoggs

    2 months ago

    Detroit should be ashamed of themselves. He wins his 2nd CY in a row and they try to low ball him?! Biggest YoY bump is DeGrom after… ONE CY. Skubal gets two straight and they want to give him less of a raise than DeGrom after one. Insane.

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    • AI GM

      2 months ago

      Not a lowball at all.

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      • WadeBoggs

        2 months ago

        Learn math.

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  32. whyhayzee

    2 months ago

    I hope he loses and fires Boras. Then signs a ten year contract with the Tigers.

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    • AI GM

      2 months ago

      I’m sure Boras explained why he wanted to file at this number and got Skubal approval.

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  33. Sayhay888

    2 months ago

    Can Mets has Skubal?

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  34. Old York

    2 months ago

    2024–25
    WAR: 12.6
    Market value: ~$101M

    Arbitration isn’t built to price elite pitching.

    If it goes to a hearing, Detroit probably wins at $19M because arbitration panels are conservative by design.

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    • Baseballisthebest

      2 months ago

      Arbitration panels now must take into account what free agents with similar stats made in AAV for cases involving players in their 3rd time through arbitration.

      For Skubal the comparables include Wheeler, Verlander, and Scherzer who all recieved more than $40 million. It also includes Cole, Snell, and Burnes who got more than $32 million.

      Skubal probably wins this one.

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      • DroppedThirdStrike

        2 months ago

        The 5 Year Rule is what arb panels can use to include FA contracts, and it doesn’t apply to all 3rd time arb players. It only applies to arb players who have accumulated over 5 years of service time, and have established elite statistics that they can argue makes them eligible for consideration.

        Arbitration panels are allowed to consider AAV contracts if they decide to for special cases under the 5 Year Rule clause. They don’t have to. And they are free to weight it any way they choose. If they decide to give 60% weight to historical arb progressions and then consider FA contracts for the other 40% that is their prerogative.

        The arb panel, isnt bound to only use FA contracts, they can still disregard if they choose, though I don’t see how Skubal doesn’t meet 5 Year rule criteria.

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        • Baseballisthebest

          2 months ago

          Read it again. It doesn’t give the panel the option to not consider free agent compensation for 3rd time arb eligible players.

          They can’t weight it one way or the other nor can they “choose to disregard it”, they can only consider if the rule applies. If it does, they must award according to that rule.

          As you said, Skubal appears to meet the criteria since he has 5 years of service time and this is his 3rd time through arbitration.

          It has not been taken into account before because no 3rd time eligible player with elite stats that would have greatly increased their earning power under the rule have even exchaged numbers with their team let alone reached a hearing.

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        • DroppedThirdStrike

          2 months ago

          The 5 Year Rule allows the panel to consider FA contracts, it doesn’t require it. And nowhere does it require FA contracts to be the only consideration. It merely allows for it to be one of several they consider.

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  35. MacGromit

    2 months ago

    I’m just thinking about the bad blood that came out from the arbitration case between the Brewers and Corbin Burnes. if Detroit doesn’t want to poison that well, they may want to go back and increase their offer. a secondary reason for that would be the tigers would have a slightly more valuable trade chip if they did fall out of contention or traded him before the trade deadline.

    I can see the benefits of Boras wanting to take this to arbitration because if they do win the case, a rising tide rises all ships. Say Detroit comes back with a counter with an additional 5 million. Boras would reap a longer term benefit by just promising Skubal that same $5 million (to reject the counter and go to arb) if they lose the arbitration, rather than just take the higher offer. the test case of a two-time Cy Young winner going to arbitration just doesn’t come up. there’s certainly a chance of them winning the case.

    anyway you slice it, Skubal has a Tiger by the tail.

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    • AI GM

      2 months ago

      No bad blood from Milwaukee. They were trading him irregardless. Burnes was just a lil cry baby. No one with any sort of life would care how he felt but he cried anyways for the lifeless.

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      • JuanUribeJazzHands

        2 months ago

        I’m generally in favor of AI.

        But this is an aspect of it that needs attention

        It’s ok, good even, to care about how people feel.

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  36. HalosHeavenJJ

    2 months ago

    I’d love to see him stay with Detroit but if this is how the Tigers are going to negotiate they should just trade him now.

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    • AI GM

      2 months ago

      They negotiated as all the 29 other teams would have.

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      • mostlytoasty

        2 months ago

        This just isn’t true. Several teams would have offered him the SP record at the very least, particularly any FOs that had actual intentions of keeping him around long term, not the embarrassing offers the Tigers have put up

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  37. Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee

    2 months ago

    With that figure, looks like the Tigers have already moved on from him. There’ll be bad blood regardless. Bout time for that major prospect haul….

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  38. kodion

    2 months ago

    “One year of Skubal would have immense trade value regardless of his salary, but he’d be much more appealing to other clubs on a $19MM sum than he would at $32MM.”
    1. If he is available, or someone comes in with an offer that makes you think, that money won’t matter much, if at all.
    2. Put Skubal in a FA situation where he is more likely to get fair value, what are you paying him fresh off consecutive Cy’s? 32 AAV is closer to a starting point than out-of-line.

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    • AI GM

      2 months ago

      Would get 13m less of prospects players.

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      • SportsFan0000

        1 month ago

        Not necessarily

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  39. Queen Soto

    2 months ago

    If this goes to a hearing and Skubal wins he will most likely be traded before opening day. The entire basis of trade talks is the gap in which Detroit is willing to offer him in an extension and his demands. You’d have to assume rather then pay $32M the Tigers would opt to get as good of a return for him as possible including another MLB rotation arm and try to compete that way..holding onto him for one last year made sense if his salary was “team friendly” not so much if he’s earning a figure towards the top of the SP market. The post says it’s unlikely they get to a hearing and I see the logic in that but I also don’t know DET would offer more then say $22-23M and over $3-4M Skubal has no reason to not try and reset the market in arbitration for himself and future top of the rotation arms.

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    • Queen Soto

      2 months ago

      To be clear I don’t think he would win and even $22-23M would “reset” the market in arbitration but $32M is a whole new level. In the event Skubal wins which is probably a sub 5% chance then Paul Skenes is salivating.

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      • kodion

        2 months ago

        If the team came in at $22-25 M, there would be no discussion. Because he set a precedent with the 2nd Cy before this decision is made, the arbitrators could very easily say Skubal deserves more than a “standard” raise and, since they are limited to the two choices and the offer is essentially that, award him his ask.
        I think he will get it.

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          Arb 1 was 2 3 million. Arbitration 2 10m. So Skubal agreed or the previous arbitration agreed that cy young is worth 7 or 8 million. Tigers went beyond that with 19m. Just the precedent of baseball arbitration suggest his arb 3 should be 19 if the other option is 32. 32 is a drastic jump. It could happen. You keep playing the lottery and having your celebrity crush. Just don’t get too down if it doesn’t happen.

          Now if Skubal came in at 22 to 25 million this would be a heck of a lot more likely. But hey you never know.

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    • AI GM

      2 months ago

      19m or 32m is irrelevant to them trading him or not. Any contending team in baseball would be thrilled to have him 1 year 32m.

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      • Avory

        2 months ago

        It probably wouldn’t be irrelevant to the return the Tigers would get though.

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        • AI GM

          2 months ago

          Correct. Theoretically you would be willing to give up 13m more or less of player value.

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    • Baseballisthebest

      2 months ago

      Boras advised Skubal to ask for that amount because in the current CBA a player going through arbitration for the 3rd time must be compared to free agents with similar stats. Skubal is the first 3rd time eligible player that has stats this good.

      Who had comparable stats? Verlander, Scherzer, Wheeler, Cole, Snell, and Burnes. How much did they make as an AAV?

      The Tigers should have taken that into account. They very well may lose this case.

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    • SportsFan0000

      1 month ago

      He is gone one way or another,

      Tigers have to make that decision whether they can get a boatload
      of young prospects and major league players that will help the team right now and into the foreseeable future.

      If yes, then the smart move would be to take that deal.
      Otherwise, they get a draft pick if they keep him all year
      just like they received for Max Scherzer.

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  40. DigglinDickers

    2 months ago

    Just trade him to the Dodgers already.

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    • Jerry Hairston Jr's Toupee

      2 months ago

      Seriously, they can have Sheehan, Rushing, Freeland, De Paula and Ferris…

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      • JuanUribeJazzHands

        2 months ago

        Uhh…no

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      • SportsFan0000

        1 month ago

        RHSP Emmett Sheehan, LHSP Justin Wrobleski, LHSP Jackson Ferris OF Zyhir Hope, INF Alex Freeland + prospect(s)

        will get this deal done.

        It is a “Win/Win” deal for both teams

        Dodgers get an ace for their chance at a “3 Peat”.

        Tigers strenghten their rotation and team
        for yearly pennant contention in AL Central.

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    • SportsFan0000

      1 month ago

      To the Tigers

      RHSP Emmett Sheehan, LHSP Justin Wrobleski, LHSP Jackson Ferris OF Zyhir Hope, INF Alex Freeland + prospect(s)

      Tarik Skubal outgoing to the Dodgers.

      Helps both teams and is a fair deal.

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      • JuanUribeJazzHands

        1 month ago

        SF0000

        “is a fair deal.”

        Per BTV
        SKubal $53 million

        Sheehan $39 million
        Wrobleski $6 million
        Ferris $8 million
        Hope $33 million
        Freeland $5 million
        TOTAL: $91 million

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      • Astros71

        1 month ago

        Dodgers will not make this trade.

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  41. gbs42

    2 months ago

    Skubal is going to lose if this goes to a hearing. Filing in the mid-$20M would have given him a chance.

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    • highflyballintorightfield

      2 months ago

      Yeah, this is kind of a good game…at how low a filing would Skubal be likely to win vs a team proffer of $19m? I’m about where you are; I’d guess $25 million would be 50/50, $24m would win..

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    • Baseballisthebest

      2 months ago

      Going to just paste this since everyone seems to be missing this key point.

      Boras advised Skubal to ask for that amount because in the current CBA a player going through arbitration for the 3rd time must be compared to free agents with similar stats. Skubal is the first 3rd time eligible player that has stats this good.

      Who had comparable stats? Verlander, Scherzer, Wheeler, Cole, Snell, and Burnes. How much did they make as an AAV? More than $32 million and several over $40 million.

      The Tigers should have taken that into account. They very well may lose this case.

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      • gbs42

        2 months ago

        best,

        Good point about final-year arb players being able to compare themselves to free agents. I had forgotten about that.

        I still think arbitration panels tend to be fairly conservative and believe the Tigers have greater odds of winning than Skubal. If he had submitted at $29.9M, I’d like his chances significantly better. Humans will make the decision, and humans can be weird.

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  42. Louie and Nellie

    2 months ago

    Memo to rct: Skubal is only interested in Skubal. No pitcher takes himself out of the most important game of the year. Selfish teammate.. As noted, lucky to get $19 million.

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    • SportsFan0000

      1 month ago

      That is what Boras instructs his pitchers to do in their walk years to
      protect agains injury.
      Boras did the same thing with Scherzer and the Tigers.

      Scherzer all of a sudden, in his walk year, was asking
      Leyland to remove him from games in the 5th and 6th innings?!
      That reads a lot like Scherzer’s agent,Boras, trying to protect/save Scherzer for free agency.

      And, as soon as Scherzer signs his free agent deal with the Nats, then he is pitching into the 8th, 9th innings and complete games in DC?!

      Probably not a coincidence.

      Just trade Skubal and move on.
      He is not signing with Detroit just like Scherzer was not signing with Detroit.

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      • SportsFan0000

        1 month ago

        That said, It was a smart thing to do for Scherzer and Boras to protect the client from injury before free agency.

        I would have done the same thing if I was Scherzer or Boras.

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  43. The Saber-toothed Superfife

    2 months ago

    He alluded to a $13M range in payroll projection.
    Why he did?
    Eludes me.

    Until I discovered spell check trips out on an extra l in elude.

    Just then, I realized I had been illuded.
    He’s still trying to cover up Chris Illiches’ chrometophobia.

    Skubal 10 x $35M.

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    • The Saber-toothed Superfife

      2 months ago

      Did I mention:
      The rumor in Detroit is Scott Boras is using a fake birth certificate he purchased on Queens Blvd, NYC for $50. The City of Sacramento claims there was a “Great Conflagration” and all their records may not be complete. City officials have yet to respond to independent investigators inquiries. In fact, they have hung up the telephone repeatedly and are at the time of this writing considered hostile.

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  44. Asfan0780

    2 months ago

    AL central is a lousy division. Tigers could trade skubal for a boatload, get pieces to help now and probably still contend. Plus they got 4 top 40 prospects, two are among the top 10. So they are set up for the future whether they keep skubal or not

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    • gbs42

      2 months ago

      Does any team have two top-10 plus another two top-40 prospects?

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      • Astros71

        1 month ago

        No. Also, Skubal is very good but not that.

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  45. CaseyAbell

    2 months ago

    It’s hard to see an arbitrator more than tripling a player’s salary to a new record for arb pitchers. My guess is that they’ll settle before the hearing at something like $23-25 million. I know MLBTR likes the “file and trial” mantra – can’t resist rhyme time – but this looks more like “file and talk.” Shucks, no rhyme.

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    • gbs42

      2 months ago

      MLBTR doesn’t use that rhyme for fun, it’s because that’s what most teams most often do.

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    • Baseballisthebest

      2 months ago

      Going to just paste this since everyone seems to be missing this key point.

      Boras advised Skubal to ask for that amount because in the current CBA a player going through arbitration for the 3rd time must be compared to free agents with similar stats. Skubal is the first 3rd time eligible player that has stats this good.

      Who had comparable stats? Verlander, Scherzer, Wheeler, Cole, Snell, and Burnes. How much did they make as an AAV? More than $32 million and several over $40 million.

      The Tigers should have taken that into account. They very well may lose this case.

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  46. For Love of the Game

    2 months ago

    Anyone else think this is a ploy by Borass to get Skubal traded to a big market team along with a massive contract before the lockout?

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    • gbs42

      2 months ago

      No. And “Borass”…??? Not exactly original.

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    • Hammerin' Hank

      2 months ago

      No, Boras is fine with waiting as long as he needs to for the big payday.

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  47. Kaz

    2 months ago

    Reading the comments make me realize that at least half of the commenters don’t understand how the arbitration system works in MLB.

    Skubal was projected to earn $17.8MM via arbitration (by MLBTR) and the Tigers offered more than that. Filing at 31MM is absolute insanity. Maybe Boras and Skubal are trying to set a new precedent but more than likely they will lose the arbitration case.

    And to anyone saying Soto made 31MM last year with the Yankees, Soto made 23MM the year before via arbitration. Whereas Skubal only made about 10MM. Skubal is essentially asking for a 21MM raise as opposed to Soto who got a 8MM raise. So comparing the 2 players is a apples to oranges comparison.

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    • Hammerin' Hank

      2 months ago

      You can try to explain it to WadeBoggs and the rest of the clueless, but they just aren’t going to get it. All they know is “2 Cy Young awards .”

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    • Bak Pak

      2 months ago

      Here is why he filed for that amount:

      “…the collective bargaining agreement allows players who are one year away from free agency to compare themselves not only to past arbitration precedents, but to free agents as well. There’s ample precedent for free agent pitchers commanding upwards of $30MM annually, with some late-career aces pulling more than $40MM per season on short-term deals.”

      The reason he has a legitimate shot at winning his case is that of all the pitchers to earn $30+ million in FA, Skubal’s ERA was by far the lowest. For pitchers arbitration is almost entirely about 3 things, IP compared to the league that year, ERA, and strike outs. Awards are also taken into account. Having consecutive CY Young Awards will also be in his favor.

      Not saying he will get his ask, but there is a real chance he will.

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    • Baseballisthebest

      2 months ago

      Going to just paste this since everyone seems to be missing this key point.

      Boras advised Skubal to ask for that amount because in the current CBA a player going through arbitration for the 3rd time must be compared to free agents with similar stats. Skubal is the first 3rd time eligible player that has stats this good.

      Who had comparable stats? Verlander, Scherzer, Wheeler, Cole, Snell, and Burnes. How much did they make as an AAV? More than $32 million and several over $40 million.

      The Tigers should have taken that into account. They very well may lose this case.

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      • Kaz

        2 months ago

        Why are you comparing players that went through free agency to Skubal? Comparing the stats of the players you listed is completely irrelevant as those players got paid via free agency and NOT arbitration.

        If you want a proper comparison go check what the players you listed made via arbitration (Or at least the ones who didn’t sign an extension) and see if they made anywhere near what Skubal is asking for.

        David Price to this day holds the record for pitchers at 19.75MM.

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        • Baseballisthebest

          2 months ago

          Because in the current CBA the rules for third time arbitration eligible players says they must be compared to free agents when considering compensation.

          Did you skip the article? Have you never read the CBA?

          It doesnt matter at all what David Price got in 2015. Its 2026 and the arbitration panels must operate under a different set of rules for awarding compensation.

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        • Kaz

          2 months ago

          Then please explain to me why David Price still holds the record despite it being over a decade old now. Regardless of what the CBA says it doesn’t change the fact that no pitcher has ever gotten over 20MM.

          You say the arbitration panels must operate under new set of rules? Well that hasn’t happened at all. Heck arbitration still takes into account pitcher wins, if that doesn’t tell you how archaic the arbitration system still is I don’t know what will.

          And 3rd time arbitration eligible or not a player getting triple their salary via arbitration from the previous year is completely unheard of.

          You’re free to keep referencing the CBA but just about everyone knows that going through arbitration for 3rd or 4th time does not equate to getting what you would get as a free agent.

          If you truly believe pitchers “must be compared to free agents when considering compensation”, I implore you to tell me the last time a pitcher going through arbitration was compensated properly.

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      • JoeBrady

        2 months ago

        I read the CBA. The closest I can come to your assertion is:

        “The arbitration panel shall, except for a Player with five or more years of Major League service, give particular attention, for comparative salary purposes, to the contracts of Players with Major League service not exceeding one annual service group above the Player’s annual service group. ”

        That’s E(10)a. If you’d care to point out other parts of the contract covering 3rd year arb players, I’d be interested in reading it.

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        • DroppedThirdStrike

          2 months ago

          3rd year arb players are not universally allowed to use FA contracts, only elite players with 5+ years of service time. And the panel can consider them if they choose, applying whatever weight to them that they choose.

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        • Baseballisthebest

          2 months ago

          All arbitration panels considering any player who is a 3rd time arbitration eligible with 5 years of service time are subject to the rule.

          No players that were qualified have reached exchanging numbers with their team let alone an arbitration hearing prior to Skubal.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 months ago

          By 3rd year, I meant those in the final year of arbitration. And the rest of what you said makes sense to. If the 5+ guys relied on nothing but FA signings, then their salaries would be higher.

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        • DroppedThirdStrike

          2 months ago

          Yes, significantly higher. As I said it’s one of several considerations the panel can consider in addition to traditional arb valuations. It does not, however replace traditional arb valuations unless the panel thinks that that’s best.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 months ago

          Kindly point out the pertinent parts of the CBA.

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        • DroppedThirdStrike

          2 months ago

          “The arbitration panel shall, except for a Player with five or more years of Major League service, give particular attention, for comparative salary purposes, to the contracts of Players with Major League service not exceeding one annual service group above the Player’s annual service group.”

          By including the phrase “except for a Player with five or more years,” the CBA removes that restriction entirely. Once you hit 5.000 years of service:
          a) The panel is no longer REQUIRED to look at your service-group peers (Arb 3).
          b) The panel is GRANTED PERMISSION to look at any contract in baseball that THEY DEEM RELEVANT.

          They are free to use FA contracts as comps as they see fit, or to not use them at all. Entirely up to them if, how, how many, and what credence they give them.

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        • JoeBrady

          1 month ago

          That’s exactly what I read and exactly what I would emphasize. BITB posts like free agent players are the sole criteria. It isn’t.

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        • DroppedThirdStrike

          1 month ago

          Not only are they not the sole criteria, they might not even be the main criteria. If the panel decides that traditional arb progressions are going to account for 70% of the valuation and allow for FA contracts to account for 30%, that’s still a nearly unreal jump from $10m. And they might only give it equal weight with all the other considerations. If even one person on the panel decides to not use it, or only let it account for say 10%, it’s impossible for him to get there.

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    • Baseballisthebest

      2 months ago

      Soto did not go through an arbitration hearing to get that $23 million. He signed before going to arbitration.

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  48. ThonolansGhost

    2 months ago

    I’m guessing Skubal will win his arbitration.

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    • DigglinDickers

      2 months ago

      I agree

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    • gbs42

      2 months ago

      I highly doubt it.

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      • Baseballisthebest

        2 months ago

        Going to just paste this since everyone seems to be missing this key point.

        Boras advised Skubal to ask for that amount because in the current CBA a player going through arbitration for the 3rd time must be compared to free agents with similar stats. Skubal is the first 3rd time eligible player that has stats this good.

        Who had comparable stats? Verlander, Scherzer, Wheeler, Cole, Snell, and Burnes. How much did they make as an AAV? More than $32 million and several over $40 million.

        The Tigers should have taken that into account. They very well may lose this case.

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  49. citizen

    2 months ago

    Yet another boras client probably leaving his competitive team. Boras erred as he attempts to get maximum free agent value for an arb level pitcher.. Price pitched 210 + innings with 4 cg.
    Skubal pitched 190 innings one cg. He’s had two major injuries.. I like he’s been able to adjust after the injuries, but boras is the oft injured superstars agent. I predict Detroit wins arbitration but Skubal gets traded mid season.

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    • gbs42

      2 months ago

      Comparing Price’s and Skubal’s IP and CG without acknowledging the difference in pitcher usage a decade later??? Also, Skubal is coming off back-to-back Cy Young-winning seasons.

      That being said, I also think Detroit wins this hearing.

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      • Citizen1

        2 months ago

        So is boras. Less innings more money? So
        Is Mlbtr. if skubal is signed in free agency then the team has to Add in more bullpen pieces, costing even more in contract. He’s wanting workhorse money but not putting the innings in. A workhorse pitcher would be more effective.

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    • Baseballisthebest

      2 months ago

      Going to just paste this since everyone seems to be missing this key point.

      Boras advised Skubal to ask for that amount because in the current CBA a player going through arbitration for the 3rd time must be compared to free agents with similar stats. Skubal is the first 3rd time eligible player that has stats this good.

      Who had comparable stats? Verlander, Scherzer, Wheeler, Cole, Snell, and Burnes. How much did they make as an AAV? More than $32 million and several over $40 million.

      The Tigers should have taken that into account. They very well may lose this case.

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      • JoeBrady

        2 months ago

        Kindly point that out in the CBA.

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      • Citizen1

        2 months ago

        They will be basing salary on injured players from 2025 who had a few better years years ago? Tigers win the arb. Skubal won’t take 6 years at 32 million. Traded

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  50. jvent

    2 months ago

    Sounds like a trade is going to happen 😆

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  51. Ezpkns34

    2 months ago

    All I’ve learned from this is that AI GM is clearly a burner account for someone in the Detroit Front Office to care this much about it

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    • Hammerin' Hank

      2 months ago

      He’s trying to explain it to them but they keep making the same uneducated arguments over and over. They don’t understand how the arbitration process works. And they can’t fathom that Skubal will be leaving the Tigers after the season regardless of what happens now in arbitration. The Tigers aren’t going to pay the astronomical price it will take to sign him long-term..

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  52. mrperkins

    2 months ago

    Where’s the damn poll? Let’s put this to a vote!

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  53. mitchladd

    2 months ago

    How selfish and/or cheap can you be? What possible justification could they have for 19? They have to lose and should based on thay number.

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    • Avory

      2 months ago

      Um…because that’s the way the process is supposed to work? You do realize that arbitration isn’t free agency, right?

      Guess not.

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      • mitchladd

        2 months ago

        The arb record for a pitcher is 19.7 by David price years ago. How do you not offer to at least beat that when he’s coming off of back to back cys?

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    • User 1070517657

      2 months ago

      Mitch – I think Detroit was trying to make an educated guess at how low they could offer and still get the arbitrator to pick their number. Or they picked that number for pre hearing negotiation purposes. Given that free agent performance and salaries can be considered for final year arbitration cases, 32M doesn’t seem unreasonable. The only way Detroit can save face IMO is if they negotiate to something in the 28-30M range but the 19M initial offer may have been a bit off putting and set Skubal to try his luck in the hearing…

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      • mitchladd

        2 months ago

        If you look at past arb numbers in situations like this they didnt even offer to beat the previous record set years ago by someone with lesser numbers. They have to be realistic and at least give him the record even youre only beating by a mil or two.

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      • mohoney

        2 months ago

        This looks like a posturing tactic by the Tigers on behalf of all the other owners, conveniently playing out during the final offseason before the impending lockout. A seismic shift in arbitration pay for pitchers right before the lockout can be used by owners as an example that salaries need to be capped by something more substantial than the current luxury tax system.

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        • mitchladd

          2 months ago

          I hadn’t thought of it thay deeply but you’re definitely on to something.

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  54. johncal25

    2 months ago

    David Price got 19.5MM in arb and that was 11 years ago. I don’t see how Detroit wins this.

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    • Hammerin' Hank

      2 months ago

      They’ll win easily. Good night.

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      • Baseballisthebest

        2 months ago

        Going to just paste this since everyone seems to be missing this key point.

        Boras advised Skubal to ask for that amount because in the current CBA a player going through arbitration for the 3rd time must be compared to free agents with similar stats. Skubal is the first 3rd time eligible player that has stats this good.

        Who had comparable stats? Verlander, Scherzer, Wheeler, Cole, Snell, and Burnes. How much did they make as an AAV? More than $32 million and several over $40 million.

        The Tigers should have taken that into account. They very well may lose this case.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 months ago

          Kindly point that out in the CBA.

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    • JuanUribeJazzHands

      2 months ago

      jc

      Well. Because arbitration is a joke

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    • Bak Pak

      2 months ago

      john,

      The Tigers may win, but Skubal has a really good case. His walk year production is better than any pitcher that got a $30+ million deal. That 2.21 ERA is more than a full point lower than David Price in 2014.

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  55. JoeBrady

    2 months ago

    I don’t see it. Has any pitcher ever gotten a $22M raise in arbitration?

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  56. Anthony Rendon @ Home

    2 months ago

    This is a clever PR move – “oh I wanted to stay in Detroit until they disrespected me with that super low Arb offer.”

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  57. Bronxlou

    2 months ago

    Detroit’s number was higher than the MLBTR projected figure, which while not always accurate is usually well in range. The player’s number was wildly above that. Boras is no fool, He knows the market and he knows how to present an arbitration case. He’s hoping to set a new precedent for arbitration. Skubal is unique, a back to back CY Young Award winner. The others who have done that are in the HOF or ineligble yet (Kershaw, deGrom) or blackballed (Clemens). With four Dodgers starters all making $30 million, Boras is going to argue that Skubal is better and more deserving than any of them. If he loses, Skubal’s downside is $19 million and setting a $33 million AAV floor for his free agent negotiations.

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  58. sergefunction

    2 months ago

    I reserve issuing record-obliterating Arbitration Awards to pitchers willing to at least open the 7th inning when facing postseason elimination.

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  59. JuanUribeJazzHands

    2 months ago

    Trade him to the Dodgers and let the man get his money

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    • MacGromit

      2 months ago

      no sense losing prospect capital when the Dodgers can just wait a year and sign him to a hugely back end heavy contract in FA.

      they can win WS without Skubal. they’d be scar(y/ier) with him though.

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      • JuanUribeJazzHands

        2 months ago

        MG

        I believe there’s some value in having a player in-house when it comes to signing him.

        I suspect there’s a difference in the way the Dodgers do things and the way the Tigers do things. And letting the player see that can only help. Plus. You get one more year of the player.

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      • gotigers68

        2 months ago

        Not if you threaten to trade him to someone else, who may just sign him….

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      • Citizen1

        2 months ago

        Skubal Fits in with the dodgers. Oft injured pitcher with a soon to be large contract. If he gets 10 years, dodgers be lucky to get 5 productive years.

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  60. Porter Rockwell

    2 months ago

    Detroit should just pay the $32 million. This is no time to disrespect Skubal after what he has done for the team and the city. Create some goodwill and maybe Tarik will want to stay in Detroit. Part of that is winning THIS year. To do that the players must overcome GM Scott Harris. He is arrogant and condescending to a smart and informed fan base.

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    • gotigers68

      2 months ago

      He gone.

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  61. JuanUribeJazzHands

    2 months ago

    “I wish someone would disrespect me by offering me just $19MM.”

    Always the dumbest take

    Usually made by someone earning half of what their production is worth

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    • User 1070517657

      2 months ago

      The MLBTR Pompous and Arrogant Exacta Daily Award is hereby given to JUJH. Congratulations sir, well done!

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      • JuanUribeJazzHands

        2 months ago

        So arrogant and pompous to want other people to earn more money

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  62. Porter Rockwell

    2 months ago

    The Tigers should give Skubal the $32 million. What he wants is a team that values him. This isn’t about the 2026 season. To sign Tarik for multiple years he will want to be paid and supported like a 2-time defending CY YOUNG winner.

    But Scott Harris is exactly the wrong person to oversee Skubal’s case. He’s a skilled pencil pusher but afraid to make personnel moves. In the end, Harris will be the reason Detroit loses Skubal and probably gets much less than he is worth in return.

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  63. Charles B

    2 months ago

    Skubal is so out of their league. Can’t understand why they refuse to move on from him.

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  64. Astros_fan_in_Aus

    2 months ago

    Seems Skubal is getting ahead of himself.

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  65. Bak Pak

    2 months ago

    Skubal has a good case. This is why:

    “the collective bargaining agreement allows players who are one year away from free agency to compare themselves not only to past arbitration precedents, but to free agents as well. There’s ample precedent for free agent pitchers commanding upwards of $30MM annually, with some late-career aces pulling more than $40MM per season on short-term deals.”

    Skubal was better last season than any of those free agent starters in their walk year.

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    • JoeBrady

      2 months ago

      Kindly point that out in the CBA.

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  66. JeffMann

    2 months ago

    I doubt this goes to arbitration. The two sides are likely to settle somewhere in the middle.

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  67. diphthong

    2 months ago

    Hello Dodgers.

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  68. MPrck

    2 months ago

    The Tigers threw away almost the money they want last year with Cobb, and Maeda. So, its not money. Its a test case. No one likes a stick up man. Will the owner just fork over the money, or will he demand hes traded ? It’ll be interesting how it works out.

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  69. fungie

    2 months ago

    So DET’s offer is LESS than the QO $22M number? This is what’s wrong with baseball. The QO is the avg salary of the top 125 salaries. DET just wants to minimize his salary so they can maximize their trade value.

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  70. Motor City Beach Bum

    2 months ago

    Or…this is another opportunity for Skubal and the Tigers to sit down and negotiate something bigger, like happened with Mize last year. Skubal says he wants to stay, us fans want him to stay and the Tigers have an extra shot to chat about what it takes to make him stay. He’s not a guy O see getting led around by the nose by Boras. If he wins arb hearing he wins. If he lose the arb hearing he WINS. In the meantime they can chat more about a longterm contract.

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  71. Airo13

    2 months ago

    Some thoughts…

    This is why Boras had him parading around at Detroit sporting events recently. Get him in the good graces of fans to make the tigers look like the bad guys before arbitration.

    Price was on his 4th year of arbitration, Skubal is Arb3. Any arbitration projection is much closer to the tigers number.

    Boras is trying to shatter the arbitration system so he can take advantage of it with other future clients as well. If it doesn’t work out, think it pushes a trade, also a Boras/Skubal goal.

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    • Baseballisthebest

      2 months ago

      Airo, the comparison is or third time arb eligible players.

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  72. tigerdoc616

    2 months ago

    FWIW, I doubt the $13M difference affects the Tigers off season plan. They have done most of their heavy lifting already. Tigers are not really in the Bregman market but according to reports lurking around. I don’t see them getting involved unless Bregman’s market craters. Possible not even that if Skubal wins his hearing. But that is about the limit of the effect this will have on the Tigers plans.

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  73. hyraxwithaflamethrower

    2 months ago

    I’m just confused by the Tigers offseason. They may well have Skubal for only one more year, even if they agree to meet him 90% of the way toward his number at 31M. But instead of offering an over-the-top extension to keep him, they throw out a lowball number that’s not even double his 2025 salary, despite him winning CYA. That could be insulting and might harm any chances of him re-signing, making this as his last year more likely. But instead of going for it with big FA signings or trades to fill holes *or* trading him for a haul, they are basically running it back. I know they’re expected to call up McGonigle, but you can’t depend on a rookie to meaningfully contribute, even one with a hit tool as good as his. Just feels like they’re wasting an opportunity here, not to mention kicking the horse that got them to the playoffs last year.

    The other thing is, people talk. Players and agents are well-informed on these deals, better than we are. They see how other teams treat their players and that might affect their decisions, especially if the offers are fundamentally the same financially. This is just a bad look for the Tigers.

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  74. Rob Gibson

    2 months ago

    When you offer your ace not even 5 million more than you offered broke down Alex Cobb…. So sad. At this point, I want the Tigers to move him to someone who values him. When you offer a scrap heap pile pitcher 15 million for one season then you turn around and offer your 2x Cy Young Award winning pitcher 19 million for a season…. Smh.. The Tigers need an overhaul in ownership and upper management.

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  75. Realist Yankee

    2 months ago

    stop acting the fool what Skubal was asking for is totally unprecedented. The Tigers offer was well within historical norms.

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    • Joemo

      2 months ago

      Yeah man, good thing there’s so many pitchers of skubals caliber who won back to back Cy Young’s during the arbitration process, to compare him to.

      What Skubal is doing is an outlier. You pay him like such.

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    • hyraxwithaflamethrower

      2 months ago

      Typically, if you have a great season, you can double your prior earnings via arb. He made $10.15M last year, so $19M isn’t even double that despite him winning his second consecutive CYA. If I ran the Tigers, I’d have offered $24M or so. An arbiter might have actually gone for that and it would have at least broken David Price’s record, which I certainly feel Skubal deserves to do.

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    • gotigers68

      2 months ago

      Trade him now.

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    • Baseballisthebest

      2 months ago

      Realist,

      Going to just paste this since everyone seems to be missing this key point.

      Boras advised Skubal to ask for that amount because in the current CBA a player going through arbitration for the 3rd time must be compared to free agents with similar stats. Skubal is the first 3rd time eligible player that has stats this good.

      Who had comparable stats? Verlander, Scherzer, Wheeler, Cole, Snell, and Burnes. How much did they make as an AAV? More than $32 million and several over $40 million.

      The Tigers should have taken that into account. They very well may lose this case.

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      • JoeBrady

        2 months ago

        Kindly point that out in the CBA.

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  76. Sabermetric Acolyte

    2 months ago

    Look, I know we’ve all been saying for a while now that Skubal’s time with the Tigers is limited but this seems like the final nail in the coffin. The final shred of hope for Tigers fans.

    If you’re saying your 2 time Cy Young winning pitcher is only worth 19 million and you’r willing to fight over it, it doesn’t say much about your future plans for the guy.

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    • gotigers68

      2 months ago

      Trade him NOW !!

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      • JoeBrady

        2 months ago

        gotigers68
        Trade him NOW !!
        ===================
        My Machiavellian perspective is that the Tigers win, Skubal gets insulted and demands a trade, and that Skubal winds up with the RS for $300M/8 or thereabouts.

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        • WadeBoggsWildRide

          2 months ago

          Demand what you want they don’t have to trade him.

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    • redmatt

      2 months ago

      It’s not about skubal. It’s about the existing salary structure.

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  77. Mikenmn

    2 months ago

    It’s interesting. I’m not sure I entirely agree about a deadline trade value….if a team is ready to pony up a boatload of prospect talent for maybe 15 starts, they aren’t going to worry too much about one half of $13M.

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  78. Jaorb

    2 months ago

    When you hire Scott Boras as your agent, you are signaling to everyone that you are solely concerned with maximizing your earnings. So the argument that this ruins the chances of the Tigers getting Skubal to agree to an extension is invalid, since that wasn’t happening regardless. Skubal is going free agent next year, because that’s what every Boras client does.

    I’m not being critical of Skubal here in any way btw. Everyone has the right to make these sorts of choices for themselves, and he’s certainly earned his next huge payday. But the Tigers won’t be in contention for paying out that payday regardless, barring massive CBA changes.

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  79. SammythebullPavano

    2 months ago

    This guy is going to be impossible to deal with.

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  80. bpskelly

    2 months ago

    If any pitcher deserves to set the market it’s Skubal.

    The only thing that’s obvious is he’s not going to be on the Tigers past this season.

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    • robw5555

      2 months ago

      If that.

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    • robw5555

      2 months ago

      No kidding. Why would y9ou think otherwise. Take a dude like Gerrit Cole/Boras. He got a huge long contract with opt outs. The guy gets a TJ and still negoiates additional yrs for more money. Dealing with Boras did you think they could keep him? Previously I wouodl have said Cohen will pay uop again, but now I see that Cohen wants to tamp things down after Soto. So Dodgers will get Skubal.

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  81. dodgrbluu

    2 months ago

    Here’s a perfect example about a cheap team that doesn’t want to accommodate its star player to a salary he thinks he’s worth. I just don’t want to hear tiger fans crying when the Dodgers swoop in next year and sign him for a record breaking deal. Det, you made your bed…now lay in it.

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    • redmatt

      2 months ago

      You realize that you are wrong, don’t you? This isn’t about skubal. This is about the salary structure and service time. What skubal’s camp has to prove is that the current salary structure should pay him $32 million. And if he sons, then the market is totally re-set for pitchers with his service time. This hearing is about a third about skubal himself. It’s a big risk, and there’s no comp skubal can point to to justify that figure.

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      • Baseballisthebest

        2 months ago

        Boras advised Skubal to ask for that amount because in the current CBA a player going through arbitration for the 3rd time must be compared to the compensation earned by free agents with similar stats. Skubal is the first 3rd time eligible player that has stats this good.

        Who had comparable stats? Verlander, Scherzer, Wheeler, Cole, Snell, and Burnes. How much did they make as an AAV? More than $32 million and several over $40 million. That is the level of compensation the arbitration panel will have to use in determining Skubal’s award in this case.

        The Tigers should have taken that into account. Skubal may very well win his case.

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        • einsteinhood

          2 months ago

          This isn’t how it works. The only thing that matters in terms of comparison is what players in their final year of arbitration made in the past, not how much whoever got as a free agent. Those are not part of the consideration.

          What Skubal is trying to do is have the arbitrator apply the standard for what some top position players have made in their final arb year (Soto 31M, Vlad Jr 28M) and apply it to pitchers. What the Tigers are arguing is that he should be paid along the lines of the highest amount ever awarded to a pitcher (Price 19M in 2015) in their final year of arb.

          It’s actually kind of a fascinating test case, but I suspect that the arbitrator will narrowly construe precedent and make him stick to the pitcher number rather than the position player number he’s seeking. We’ll see.

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        • JoeBrady

          2 months ago

          Kindly point that out in the CBA.

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  82. TheFuzzofKing

    2 months ago

    If you don’t play baseball as much as someone else who plays baseball, you should make less money playing baseball.

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    • 84LeFlore

      2 months ago

      I disagree.

      Pitchers CAN’T play every day — not even relievers, or their arms would fall off. One could argue that pitchers are worth more on their starting day than anyone else. A position player isn’t worth anything on his given day off. So you’re paying pitchers (and position players) by the season, not the game.

      If time on the field is the key salary factor, then guys who start and play on special teams, are worth more to the football team than the quarterback. QB is the equivalent of a rotation’s ace SP.

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    • einsteinhood

      2 months ago

      Skubal faced 748 batters last year and 753 the year before. Last year, Francisco Lindor led MLB in plate appearances with 732.

      In reality, top pitchers impact about as many plate appearances as the top batters these days. They just are condensed into 1 game every 5 or 6 days instead of being spread of 4-5 per day over that same time. They also field their position, though obviously not for as many innings as a position player does. That’s the main difference, but it doesn’t really matter. They operate as largely separate markets.

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  83. Wrigleyrat

    2 months ago

    This process will justify the Tigers trading Skubal by mid season. It’s a PR nightmare but it’s what’s best for the Tigers long term

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    • gotigers68

      2 months ago

      Trade him now.

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  84. Aoe3

    2 months ago

    Detroit was finally on the rebound and theyve been shooting themselves in the foot over this and their pathetic extension offer last year. FA are going to stay clear unless they dont have a choice.

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  85. stko

    2 months ago

    oh boy, get ready pirates fans if Skubal wants 32M I can’t wait to hear what Skenes asks for when he’s arb eligible

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    • WadeBoggsWildRide

      2 months ago

      Skenes may actually get that $ if he stays healthy.

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    • robw5555

      2 months ago

      He is going to be a Dodgers for 500-600 million.

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    • mohoney

      2 months ago

      The extra Cy Young, the poximity of those Cy Youngs to the platform year, and a decade of inflation on salaries, should make up for Price’s extra year of arbitration. Plus, in the 4 years before the platform year, Price was performing at a low-to-mid-4 fWAR level with a peak at 5.6 in his platform year. The past 4 years, Skubal has been performing at a low-6 fWAR level with a peak of 6.6 last year.

      It looks like it is time for a long-overdue market correction. Position players are being compensated much more fairly for their value than pitchers, and they have far less injury risk to potentially compromise future earnings.

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    • Jaorb

      2 months ago

      Wild guess would be 8-10 year 1, 12-15 year 2, 20-25 year 3.

      Year 3 will be irrelevant to us Pirates fans as he’ll be traded at that point if not sooner. Depends on whether the next rebuild has started by then. There’s a reason they’re limiting this “active” offseason to a two year deal.

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  86. gotigers68

    2 months ago

    Harris don’t sign him. Just trade him somewhere he’ll be appreciated. Let’s just move on……

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  87. mohoney

    2 months ago

    I can’t see the Tigers winning at $19 million when David Price got even more than that over a decade ago.

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    • robw5555

      2 months ago

      David Price was a pyroll bandit. Interesting point. Isnt arbirtration win or lose and no middle ground payment wise?

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    • DroppedThirdStrike

      2 months ago

      Price was a Super 2 in his 4th arb year. If Skubal was in the same boat he’d get $40+. That’s the comp. He can easily be comped to Price and demonstrate that all other things being equal, he’d get double the previous record.

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  88. robw5555

    2 months ago

    Skubal will end up with the Dodgers. I think He could nail 500 million? Maybe more with special bonuses like All Star game and maybe even opt outs. Could he be a 600 million dollar man with deferred money?

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  89. Melchez17

    2 months ago

    Skubal was a Cy Young pitcher making $2M
    Skubal was a Cy Young pitcher making $10M
    Skubal was a 12 War pitcher making $12M… 1 Mill per WAR. Give the guy what he deserves… let him set the record at $32M for 1 year as a thank you for your service and let him walk. He deserves it. Who know what happens this season… maybe he gets hurt and isn’t the same… pay him what he’s been worth the past 2 years. He earned it.

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  90. Butters

    2 months ago

    This is never a good thing in going to arbitration. Things are said to devalue a player’s worth and feelings/egos get hurt. no matter what people think about being a professional ball player and feelings don’t count, that’s a joke. We all have them and these players have more than most. Just MHO. That said, I hope it works out.

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  91. jammin464_

    2 months ago

    After years of medoicrity, The Tigers are finally winning, and fans have been VERY supportive, flocking to every home game,,,,so, isn’t it time ownership put up some cash? Not just with Skubal, but how about starting to pay some free agents not found in the dumpster? Or, with all the young talent we have, how about a big trade? I’m not sure Harris can come thru on either outcome.

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    • NineChampionships

      2 months ago

      Wdym put up some cash they already have the highest payroll in their division at 171M and once this arb hearing is settled it will be either 184M or 204M. They are putting up cash.

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      • jammin464_

        1 month ago

        Good point! But still, WHERE are all the trades/signings this off-season? Where were they last July when we desperately needed starting pitchers?

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  92. FenwayFrank

    2 months ago

    Unless Detroit is willing to and knowingly going to break the bank to re-sign Skubal, they should trade him now. Get a haul and be done. Jmo.

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  93. cttigersfan

    2 months ago

    Nobody should be surprised by this.

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  94. Melchez17

    2 months ago

    Just looked… Price won his arbitration case… he was traded July 31st 2014 then traded again July 30th 2015… he spent exactly 1 year in Detroit. 13 and 8 with a 2.90 era.

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  95. bleedorangeandblue

    2 months ago

    How to lose your best player, exhibit A.

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  96. Web's #2

    1 month ago

    Skubal is going to get paid. He is on the MLBPA exec committee, has access to the best labor lawyers on earth, and would not be asking for that much unless he was pretty sure he will get it.

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  97. SportsFan0000

    1 month ago

    This is Boras driving this train.
    Every negotiation, Boras’s goal is to set new records in abitration, salaries, average annual value, total value, length of contract and more.

    Detroit knows Boras is taking Skubal into the free agent auction.
    Asking for a an unprecedented tripling of Skubal’s salary in arbitration. It is just Boras being Boras and pushing the absolute limits on all negotiations.
    Meanwhile, fans will be paying for $30.00 dollar hot dogs and tiny $35.00 beers.
    At some point, the fans are not going to pay since prices just keep going up to outrageous levels.
    Can’t blame them for trying, but the inflated prices to see games, park, buy food and drinks for a family is just crazy.
    You could take them all to a nice restaurant and save a lot of money.

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  98. SportsFan0000

    1 month ago

    Tigers will be better off just trading Skubal before the season starts and getting the maximum return for Skubal.

    Reports are that the are listening to offers,
    If the Tigers get at least 2 major league or major league ready young starters plus at least two young hitters/position players for Skubal, then they should take that deal,
    Example: From Dodgers RHSP Emmett Sheehan, LHSP Justin Wrobleski, OF Zyhir Hope, INF Alex Freeland maybe throw in a prospect or 2 and that could get you Tarik Skubal.
    Dodgers have starting pitching injuries every year so Skubal would be a big help if they want to have a chance at a 3 peat.

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    • JoeBrady

      1 month ago

      Reports are that the are listening to offers,
      =======================
      It makes me wonder if one or both sides considered this with their proposals-to bloody up the waters. More from a Tigers’ perspective, but maybe they can make the claim that the marriage is irredeemably broken.

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      • JoeBrady

        1 month ago

        That said, and assuming you’re a Tiger fan, and assuming an extension is worked out, what would you consider from the RS?

        I generally take into account long-term results, but Duran (4.7 bWAR last year * 3 years, and plays CF for you), Bello (2.5 last year and 4+ years) and Witherspoon? You’re getting a ton of current and future WAR, and it feels in line with the Crochet deal in terms of overall talent.

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  99. wileycoyote56

    1 month ago

    Tigers should try to sign him to an extension including this season, but I’ve lost all faith in the organization, we can always say remember when after he leaves!

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  100. MetsLavenderHazeTaylor

    1 month ago

    Trade him to the Mets get 3 great prospects
    Williams, Baty and Sproat

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