The Tigers land the offseason’s top remaining free agent, reportedly agreeing to a three-year deal with Framber Valdez that guarantees $115MM. The deal, which is pending a physical, allows the star left-hander to opt out after the second season. It contains a $20MM signing bonus and an unspecified amount of deferred money. Valdez is represented by Octagon.
Valdez reunites with A.J. Hinch and gives the Tigers a lethal 1-2 pairing at the top of the rotation. He’ll slot behind Tarik Skubal atop a starting staff that suddenly looks like one of the best in the American League. They’ll be followed by Reese Olson, Jack Flaherty and Casey Mize if everyone gets through camp healthy. That’d push KBO signee Drew Anderson into a swing role, while second-year righty Troy Melton can either pitch out of the bullpen or wait in Triple-A for a rotation spot to open.
The Skubal-Valdez pairing may only be together for one season, as the two-time defending Cy Young winner is a year away from what should be a record-setting free agent contract. Skubal and the club went to a hearing this morning that’ll determine whether he makes $19MM or $32MM for his final year under club control. The arbitrators will not reveal their decision until tomorrow, and Chris McCosky of The Detroit News confirms that neither the Tigers nor Skubal’s camp are aware yet of which way they’ll rule. The Valdez pickup is an independent decision.
It’s the kind of win-now strike for which much of the Detroit fanbase has waited all offseason. The Tigers had a fairly conservative trade deadline, and their biggest moves before tonight had been retaining Flaherty on a $20MM player option and Gleyber Torres via the $22.025MM qualifying offer. They also brought back setup man Kyle Finnegan on a two-year deal and added Anderson and closer Kenley Jansen on one-year contracts. They’d done a decent job building depth but without pushing the chips in for an impact player in what could be Skubal’s final season in the Motor City.
Valdez brings the ceiling that Detroit’s other acquisitions had lacked. He’s a two-time All-Star who has finished top 10 in Cy Young balloting in three of the past four seasons. Valdez worked his way from an unheralded amateur signee to the big leagues in 2018. He spent his first two seasons working in a swing role for an Astros club managed by Hinch. Valdez moved into the rotation permanently during the shortened 2020 campaign and has been one of the best pitchers in MLB over the last six years.
The southpaw has posted a sub-4.00 earned run average in each season since he became a full-time starter. He has been exceptionally durable as well, only twice landing on the injured list in his MLB career. He fractured his left ring finger when he was hit by a comebacker in Spring Training 2021. He was back from that injury by the end of May. His only other IL stint was a two-week absence for elbow inflammation early in ’24. He returned without issue and wound up making 29 starts between the regular season and playoffs.
Valdez is tied for 14th in starts and ranks fifth with 973 innings dating back to 2020. He has a cumulative 3.23 ERA in that time. That includes sub-3.00 showings in 2022 and ’24. Valdez was among the most consistent top-of-the-rotation starters in MLB — at least until the second half of his walk year. He posted an earned run average between 2.82 and 3.45 in each season between 2021-24. He topped 175 innings in each of the latter three years.
For the first half of last season, Valdez was on a similar pace. He took a 2.75 ERA over 121 frames into the All-Star Break. Valdez came out of the Break with two more quality starts and was sitting on a 2.62 ERA (a top 10 mark among qualifiers) as August arrived. He picked a tough time for arguably the worst couple months of his career. Valdez was blitzed for a 6.05 ERA with a dramatically reduced 17.7% strikeout rate over his final 10 starts. His sinker velocity dipped slightly, and opponents teed off on it in August and September. There’s no indication that he was tipping pitches, and it seems like the issue was mostly poor execution.
Valdez also found himself at the center of controversy during a start against the Yankees on September 2. Two pitches after giving up a grand slam to Trent Grisham, he hit catcher César Salazar in the chest with a 93 MPH sinker on a cross-up. Salazar was clearly expecting a breaking ball and didn’t have time to react to the fastball. Valdez didn’t check on the catcher in the moment. Salazar was not hurt and finished the game without issue.
The pitcher denied that the cross-up was intentional. Salazar did his best to publicly downplay the incident, saying he pressed the wrong button on his PitchCom. Even if that’s the case, the pitcher’s seeming lack of concern on the mound made for poor optics. Valdez said postgame that he had apologized to his battery mate.
Did that have any impact on his market value? It’s impossible to know from the outside, though one imagines some teams asked Valdez about the incident during the free agent process. It’s worth noting that a Detroit team managed by his former skipper is the one that eventually signed him, so it seems they don’t have any concerns about his makeup or clubhouse presence.
The late-season dip in production and Valdez’s age were probably bigger factors in his extended free agent stay. He finished the year with a 3.66 ERA across 192 innings. His 23.3% strikeout rate and 8.5% walk percentage were in line with his career marks. It’s a solid strikeout and walk profile, but his game has always been built more around ground-balls. He has a career 62% grounder rate and kept the ball on the ground at a 58.6% clip last season, the third-highest mark among pitchers with 100+ innings.
It’s not the whiff-heavy approach that someone like Dylan Cease brought to the table this offseason, though Valdez’s statistical profile isn’t that dissimilar from that of Max Fried. They’re both ground-ball specialists who sit in the mid-90s with a sinker that leads the profile. Fried commanded an eight-year, $218MM contract last winter. The biggest difference is that came in advance of his age-31 season, while Valdez turned 32 in November.
Although a one-year age gap might not seem like much, teams have been reluctant to make long-term commitments to free agent pitchers at 32. Zack Greinke, Jacob deGrom and Blake Snell are the only pitchers that age or older to command five-plus years since 2011. They’d all had at least one Cy Young on their résumés by that point. Valdez’s inconsistent finish essentially took a six-year contract off the table. MLBTR predicted a five-year, $150MM deal at the beginning of the offseason. That he remained unsigned into February made it increasingly apparent that a five-year contract wasn’t going to be out there.
On the surface, Valdez seems to have done fairly well despite signing a week before the beginning of Spring Training. The deal’s true value can’t really be known until the extent of the deferrals are reported, however. The sticker price comes with a massive $38.33MM average annual value that’d rank 10th all time. The net present value will be reduced to at least some extent by the deferred money.
Regardless of the contract breakdown, this easily goes down as Scott Harris’ boldest free agent move in his four years running baseball operations. It’s Detroit’s first nine-figure investment since the ill-fated Javier Baez deal, which was signed under former GM Al Avila. The Harris front office hadn’t gone beyond $35MM on a free agent. That was their two-year contract to re-sign Flaherty almost exactly a year ago. There are some parallels with Valdez in terms of waiting out the market to get a high-end starter for short term, but this is obviously a much more significant investment.
The Tigers ran a $188MM competitive balance tax payroll last season. They’re going to top that this year, though the extent isn’t clear. RosterResource currently estimates their CBT number around $237MM while penciling in the midpoint of the arbitration filing figures as a placeholder for Skubal. The arbitrators don’t have that luxury, meaning that CBT estimate will change by $6.5MM in one direction or another. It’s also using the base $38.33MM annual value for Valdez, which overshoots the actual number to an unknown extent until the deferral breakdown comes out.
Detroit also forfeits draft capital because Valdez rejected a qualifying offer from the Astros. They’re a revenue sharing recipient so it’s the lowest penalty, their third-highest pick in the 2026 draft. That’s currently slated to be their Competitive Balance Round B selection, which is 69th overall. The Tigers could look to trade that pick — Competitive Balance selections are the only ones that can be traded — rather than losing it as the compensatory pick. They’d then forfeit their third-round selection (#98 overall), but another team might be more willing to give up something of value for the higher draft choice and accompanying slot value that makes it worthwhile for Detroit to lose the third-rounder.
Houston never had any interest in meeting Valdez’s asking price. As luxury tax payors, they receive a compensation pick after the fourth round. That’ll land around 133rd overall. Houston traded for Mike Burrows and signed Tatsuya Imai and Ryan Weiss to backfill the rotation depth, even if they’re unlikely to replace the ceiling that Valdez brought.
The Blue Jays, Orioles and Pirates were recently linked to Valdez. ESPN’s Jesse Rogers reports that the Twins surprisingly jumped in the mix as well. He was probably a unique target for a Toronto club that already runs six deep in the rotation. Baltimore could pivot to a mid-tier starter like Zac Gallen (the last unsigned player who declined a QO), Chris Bassitt or Lucas Giolito. A mid-rotation arm is also possible for Pittsburgh. At the very least, the Bucs figure to add a fifth starter for a few million dollars. Minnesota has a solid rotation but reportedly kicked the tires on a Freddy Peralta trade as well, seemingly staying on the periphery of the market for a potential impact arm.
Jeff Passan of ESPN reported the three-year, $115MM agreement with the opt-out after year two. Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic was first on the presence of deferrals. Jon Heyman of The New York Post had the $20MM bonus.
Image courtesy of Dale Zanine, Imagn Images.


Does this mean they won the Skubal hearing?
Or does it mean they’re gonna trade him? Lol
Definitely
They’re not trading Skubal.
What does “Lol” mean? It shows it’s sarcasm.
/s shows sarcasm
But it kinda makes sense to trade him now if he wants to maximize his value and get 400+ million dollar contract. Will the tigers give that to him? Genuinely curious about that cause if not why keep him when the tigers could trade him get probably a #3 pitcher back plus a few really good prospects. Is a cy young frontrunner on a ok team worth what he’s gonna make vs the tigers payroll limitations vs what his value currently is on the trade market. Personally I’d trade him in a heartbeat for the right package but im also not a MLB GM
LOL means, I’m a teenybopper.
Certainly grown men should not try to be a lol’r, it’s so 5 years ago…
If you don’t really know,
Laugh out loud.
100% sure they are trading him now, simply because Skubal will be highly agitated that the Tigers were willing to give Framber $38 million a year for three years and yet declined to give him $31 for one.
They have a chance at making the playoffs, why would they trade him.
Trade to who?
Teens don’t use LOL, they use emojis.
Where are all the Tiger fans saying fire Harris? They must be at the Movies watching Melania.
@gbs
Why wouldn’t they, depending on what they might get in return? They likely couldn’t find someone as good as Skubal but in terms of wins, they might get a package that could make an impact in 2026.
You sound incredibly lame. Move along old man. And definitely don’t give anyone advice.
Could mean they lost and decided to pivot: sign Framber, deal Skubal for a haul, sign another starter like Giolito/Bassitt/Verlander.
@astro71 Often people use lol excessively as if it’s a period at the end of a comment.
Unless it’s very informal shorthand with someone familiar, it often can undercut the sender’s message.
No universal sarcasm, but s/ works as another commented.
👻🌹
Ghost Rose
Go Stro’s
My emoji game is beyond teens..
What does YAFR mean?
All the the ones down in Whoville, including Cindy Lou, who was no more than two.
Nah, in deep to the third jug of Popov since Friday.
“someone as good as Skubal”
I hate Superbowl week, why aren’t the gambling companies getting clowns like this away from the internet.
Yeah, right. Been a Tigers fan long?
@gbs This in no way makes trading Skubal a certainty, however it does make it a bit more likely. Id say it definitely decreases chances of signing him longterm.
That said I hope he stays and they make a run this season. That is of course so long as they do not do so at the expense of turning down an insane offer.
Hiflew
Skubal will pitch his heart out for Tigers in 2026 if they keep him because he has $400 million on the line.
Tigers were never going to extend Skubal.
I think 51-49 they keep Skubal, hope so, because the Dodgers are in the best position to offer Sheehan, Stone, Ryan and Ferris – no other team not even Mets could offer that much for a one year rental.
Cubs could sent Hoerner or Shaw plus Taillon and Wiggins. Red Sox could send Duran Tolle and Early. But neither Red Sox nor Cubs would do that.
They missed the chance of realisticlly extending him some time ago. Probably in early 2024. When he really broke out in early 2024 the risk/reward of testing free agency was exponentially shifting in his favor.
With Skubal’s history he is going to cash in and I cant blame him. This is a player offered nothing scholarship wise at first and almost could not play in college. The shoe is now on other foot and he has earned the leverage hes created.
Why would they trade him after paying almost $40 million avv for Valdez unless they are getting an absolute haul from the Dodgers. My guess here is if Tigers win their case he is not going anywhere at least until trade deadline so either way Dodgers will get him for the stretch run to win their 3rd straight title.
Okay devils advocate, do you think the dodgers trade one of their rotation guys not named Yamamoto or Ohtani plus 2 of their top prospects right now who says no?
I think the Dodgers say sure. Roki or Sheehan? I think they would then immediately extend Skubal to $500M or something ungodly. Like the Glasnow deal.
I hope they don’t trade Roki though.
I think LA would offer Sheehan, Stone or Ryan and Hope for 1 season of Skubal. If that was offered Detroit would be stupid if they rejected.
Even for just this year, if that should be the way it works out, why can’t the Tigers have nice things? They just strengthened their rotation. They already strengthened their bullpen. No need to tear things down.
About the Skubal trade noise, as a GM, you have to balance potential return now with that at the deadline and measure them against the compensation pick for losing Skubal after a QO …assuming that still applies then, while recognizing the Tigers are plenty good enough to win the division with him.
LA could make an offer that might appeal to Detroit and they would be one of the teams that should. Only because the team that makes that deal has to have a legitimate chance to sign him to a contract/extension to “justify” the cost the Tigers would consider sufficient.
Sheehan would be the only one from the starting squad involved, No way Roki would be dangled.
In any case unless the Tigers fall out of contention, Skubal stays. The. Top three of Tarik, Framber and Jack made over 30 starts last season. That’s good consistency.
I actually think they hold on to him and make a run at it Stymeedone
Bit of drool on what you call a chin, there
In the AL central, watch out for those Twins and Sox
Kind of like you watch for frozen iguanas dropping from trees in Florida?!?!
I would think so.
could be either. could mean they won it and are going “all in” in their opinion. or could mean they lost it, and feel things were said that may harm any chance of playing out the season
While we’re speculating, maybe Skubal lost and will be retiring tomorrow
Win or lose arbitration … doesn’t matter. He will not be a Tiger from 2027 on. Valdez will hopefully be the next Tigers Ace.
He may opt out, but 38 million seems like a stretch. I think he’ll stay in.
Good to see an organization like the Tigers making moves. Nice pick up Tiger fans.
If I’m reading these numbers right, Valdez is going to get $31.67 million AAV (depending on deferrals) plus the $20M upfront. In other words, Skubal’s asking price, more or less.
Interesting…
HALF Skubal’s price
Wouldn’t it be the opposite? If they lost the case they’d maybe look to trade Skubal and replace him with Framber
And they try to go cheap on Skubal. Headscratcher…..
@Gone
It likely means Valdez had a heart to heart with the Tigers catchers and they’re good with each other. Maybe promised them all Rolex watches and a pledge not to be such a grinch on bad calls.
He’s gonna cross up Dillon and hit him right in his Dingler.
Tarik and framber..nice 1-2 punch – respect –
Theyre gonna trade Skubal now.
No way.
Way, lol!
No. Way.
He’s gone. You can live near that river in Egypt and say he’s not, but he gone!
@Swing This makes trading him more realistic. However someone still needs to meet cost of acquiring him which is his talent plus the comp pick from QO and now the even higher opportunity cost from 2026. So ultimately this increases his cost in a trade which was already very high.
I think if they are rolling they will keep him and get the draft pick back from the QO. If they are not doing so well they will flip him at the deadline for a haul.
No, they’re not trading him now, win or lose the arbitration case.
@Hank Id say its unlikely hes traded now. Prior to the deadline seems like most likely if for some reason they get off to a really bad start.
However, nobody is truly untradeable and at some point there is an offer that a team cant refuse. Thatcant refuse offer at times might be extremely unrealistic for another team to offer. In this case I dont see someone wooing Tigers to point if moving him right now.
Pray for Dillon Dingler
Haha. Good one.
Framber doesn’t hit starting catchers!
Might give “Dillon dinger” a new meaning!
loved him in boogie nights!
I liked Roller Girl more.
Hban-I still say she’s the only good thing that ever came out of Wisconsin.
That’s my cousin’s Amway upline
The O’s once again pissing down their leg
absolute shambles
And Zach Gallen going back to the diamondbacks🤦
That’s not certain
I think now, over at Camden Yards, the O’s front office is screaming at each other to get Gallen. Get anyone. Get something. Mike Elias and David Rubenstein should feel like Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette in the days before the Bastille.
It’s really not a big deal, bro.
Hahahaha!
Thankfully that’s not how Elias operates.
BAH GOD, THAT’S CHRIS DAVIS’ MUSIC
Elias has completely mismanaged their contention window.
Do you really feel comfortable paying framber over 30 million a year?
Does it matter if they get into the World Series? It’s a good signing and it’s what they had to pay to get him. Detroit looked good last year and this should be a huge help every 5th start going into this season. Credit the management for seizing the opportunity.
Andres gominez makes around 25 — it’s all relative
My point is, The cost of doing business has gone up.
The owner of the Cincinnati reds and their 1.3 billion valuation can go cry in a bag of mallomars
Ps: I hope Detroit signs skubal to a 13 year 600 million dollar contract
The cost keeps going up… I don’t think it’s good for the game or the fans. Securing FV and the timing is on point for Detroit though.
Its likely only a two year deal, but having someone for the rotation for ’27 was important. Mission accomplished.
Yeah, I think that amount of dough IS crazy. But Framber at least has very consistent results and is very reliable health-wise, so he is about as low-risk as they come.
So I’m very happy with this signing.
The what window?
Probably better than up their leg.
They’ve had a good winter imo
And their rotation could still be outstanding but they could use another starter.
I remember up until about the beginning of last season so many people were defending Elias saying he had this plan and he knows exactly what he’s doing. I always said he was relying way too much on an unproven farm system. So many people just talk to me like I was stupid. Lol.
Yeah, I’d still talk to you and others that way (nothing personal), he’s an outstanding exec.
No, his problem is that he won’t give the guys from the farm system a chance, preferring to block the prospects’ paths to playing time with mediocrities like Urias and Mountcastle. See Coby Mayo, who finally started having some success in the bigs last September after having to keep waiting and waiting for an opportunity.
Exactly. Job 1 yet again was a top of the rotation starting pitcher. Failed yet again.
This is tough. Respect to Polar Bear, but the pitching situation is feeling like like year’s pitching situation.
They have Bradish and Rodgers atop their rotation this year, not last year.
Baz will be just fine also, after getting away from Steinbrenner Field.
Won the arb hearing? Or anticipating a Skub trade? Or just rolling with both no matter what? Hope it’s the last one.
According to The Detroit News, verdict will be announced tomorrow.
Skubal won’t be traded.
You seem pretty sure. How was the hearing?
It will be the last one. Skubal Valdez is a nice 1-2 punch and the rest of the rotation ain’t too shabby, expect them to be competitive in the AL Central.
This is a nice win win. Tigers have another solid starting pitcher to pair with Skubal to keep hold of the division. Then Valdez will still be around next year once Skubal leaves for big money. And the tigers aren’t saddled with a long term ugly contract
All you have to do is threaten a player that the Pirates are interested and they sign quickly elsewhere. Nice work, Pittsburgh!
I think it’s great that Tigers fans are puffing out their chests these days. After being a doormat for so many years, gee, maybe us Pirates fans can do the same in 2040 or so
2972, the millennial anniversary of Clemente’s death.
im sure the Pirates were a close runner up
So were the Rockies.
Yikes those two monsters pitching
Great pickup! A 3 year deal for Valdez like this is crazy AAV. Good for the Tigers to step up. I really like this because it also bridges the gap. Good luck there, and hopefully you don’t plunk Dillon!
My central picks changed in a second. It’s Detroit now.
Where did they get that money from?
Clearly by not paying Skubal the 32MM that he filed at.
$32 million is peanuts for Skubal. Whomever lands him in 2028 ( 2027 season will be lost) is going to have to pony up minimum $50 million avv for Skubal over 7/8 yrs. Skenes is going to shatter the record once he a FA after 2029 season that will see him get 9/10 yrs at $60+ million avv
Nobody will pay a real pitcher that. 1 pitch can take them out for 2 seasons.
Love Chet Lemon but smack yourself in the head
Of course they will.
Can’t tell you the last time I spent 115 million. Several lifetimes ago.
I want 115 million. I’m not even sure if my wallet has $115.
But you might have the equivalent of $115 future deferred dollars? I heard that’s all that matters these days.
Valdez is earning more than $115.
Or your net worth
Helluva move
Lmao think they’ll extend Skubal after this ??
Uh, no.
I think Skubal getting traded with this timing…
Doubt it. They’ll ride him until the deadline and decide how the year is going.
Agree 100% since $32 million is even a bargain on a 1 yr deal. Only way they trade Skubal is they fleece the Dodgers for a massive pkg plus under NO circumstance does Boras allow Skubal to sign an extension unless it’s a monster contract with NO deferrals!
Antny, are you a first time caller, long time listener?
Not. A. Chance.
Why in the world would they trade Skubal? Framber just increased their chances of going deep in the PS. Trading Skubal would reduce those chances greatly. What would be the point?
Replacing him with an ace and loading up on more talent before he leaves for free agency. Still don’t think the tigers have anything close to a serious contender with their lineup. Valdez allows them to compete while getting experience for their young bats.
The Tigers aren’t getting an ace for him. No team in win now mode is trading an ace (plus more) for Skubal. No team, that isn’t in win now mode, is going to trade anything for a 1 year rental.
The Tigers were 12 games over .500 last season and a WC team. They aren’t paying Framber what they are just to remain somewhat competitive while trading away the best pitcher in baseball.
They’re a very serious contender in the AL Central.
I certainly hooendormTigers dans’ sake they keep Skubal and ride out that 1-2 punch this season. But how do you think Skubal will feel about the Tigers offering what they did in arbitration and then seeing them hand Valdez $38 million a year? There was speculation of Skubal for Roki Sasaki.
*I certainly hope for Tigers fans’ sake* 😔😂
and all the fans in Essex county!
You certainly what ?
Poor Tigers dans’
Did you just “speculate” that?
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Arb salaries, and FA salaries are 2 completely different things. Comparing them is apples and oranges. Skubal is aware of that, and will do far better in free-agency than Framber did.
The Tigers offered a record amount for a pitcher going thru arbitration. Seems like the team meant no disrespect.
You have no clue
Who cares how he feels about Framber’s contract? He’s still going to go out there and have the best walk year he can.
Ridiculous.
Pay Skubal $32M or Valdez????
Can’t see them trading Skub out for Valdez.at about the same price out of spite. Must be both.
Outstanding signing Detroit! Well done!
Detroit finally spending!
You won’t pay skubal but you’ll pay this jabroni. Ok
Skubal is going to be the first $400M pitcher. This signing is for this year and the next two.
The first $400M pitcher, but not with the Tigers.
Skenes going to be the next $550 million pitcher in 2029 entering his age 28 season! He will shatter Skubal record.
Ya this doesn’t make sense to me either. Skubal for 8/$400m has to be better than Valdez at 3/$115m..
The only way this is better is if they think Skubal is a max effort injury risk but even then it might not be better.
For the hundredth time, Skubal ain’t signing no extension. Ok?
Guess the Orioles plan on using Alonso as their ace
I heard he was working on a sweeper.
again…
BAH GOD, THAT’S CHRIS DAVIS’ MUSIC!
Nice work Tigers. In a post Tucker and Bichette contract world to make this happen for optimal term……nice work.
True, but Framber was Johnny Cueto level toxic, I think it’s a good gamble.
Skubal arb was today I would guess he is traded by mondsy as return was likely based upon arbitration result
Nope.
?
Passan says neither side knows Arb ruling yet. So, no, if you believe that
Many flimsy Morosi types out there—Passan ain’t one of em.
Why the hell is an Arb happening in February? Tigers reeeeally must have done everything to delay this.
Can somebody ask gbs to explain himself ?? (He blocked me.) He keeps saying they won’t trade Skubal but doesn’t offer any reasoning.
@gbs42 please explain yourself why don’t you think Detroit will trade Skubal
Not him, but it’s because all these know-it-alls on here keep endlessly repeating that Skubal will be traded in some knee-jerk reaction by Detroit if he wins the case. This makes no sense at all for a contending team. If he’s traded at all it will be at the deadline because the Tigers are out of it.
On the bright side, at least us Rangers don’t have to face him anymore more than usual.
Same with Mariners.
Brown doesn’t have the same type of success against Seattle. The Texas offense just sucked this year. I remember when Brown tossed 6 no hit innings and then Arozerana hit a grand slam and then Bryan Abreu blew the save. It was bad.
Rangers offense will suck more this year.
Lol. Tigers know they are about lose their arb case to Skubal. Probably signed Valdez with the intention of trading Skubal.
Nah
Not happening. If it does it’ll be at the deadline and they’ll be out of it.
Awww yeah!!
Ford Framber Fastballs coming at a catcher near you.
I guess that means that the Pirates aren’t signing him
The Pirates true signings, are the friends we made along the way.
It’s the journey.
and the enthusiastic fat girls
This isn’t to hate on Pittsburgh but if I were a top end free agent I would be wary of signing there too. They haven’t taken winning seriously in a long time. In my mind I wouldn’t be sold that they are committed to winning for the duration of my contract. I think if they go for it again next year after having a winning season their fortunes on the free agent market will be different.
More importantly, they almost certainly didn’t offer 3/115.
Yeah, these guys care most about money. Fans care much more about winning than do players.
Detroit finally showing some effort.
Did anyone see $38 million AAV for Valdez ?
Obviously the deferred money will bring that down a bit in “current money”.
It means Skubal wiil be trade soon…
nope
The Mets have the pieces to trade for skubal
So do the M’s
Mariners wouldn’t like the cost as an AL team.
Nope. They traded two of their best pieces to the Brewers.
Makes no difference. They gave Benge and Tong to offer up. McLean is there too although I wouldn’t even consider moving him if I were the Mets.
Yep, not happening.
Nope!
So it’s World Series or bust for the Tigers? I really would like to see them keep Skubal/Valdez as a 1-2 punch but I also have trouble seeing the Tigers pay Skubal $32 million. I think they should trade him to the Dodgers or Mets and they will get a River Ryan or McLean in return to maintain a 1-2 punch.
Not to the Yankees!
Felicidades Framber!
I’m just surprised at the dollar figure although at this time they haven’t announced if any of it is deferred or not.
As a Jays fan, the only thing I have to say is phew!
…do we check back in with Chris Bassitt’s camp?
@The House That Moseby Built
Fangraphs has the Jays with 6 SP’s, Lauer in the pen as the longman with Teideman and Francis for depth in AAA. They need BP help the most, not another starter.
…we knew this as we watched the Jays hold interest in Valdez, apparently until today,
I will concede, though, ‘apples and oranges.’
Yeah, me too
? Wait
Is that over $38M/year?
Yikes!
Should have hired the Superfife!
Paul’s is local and there’s one on Clifford….
Let’s see where they trade skubal to? Toronto? Yankees? Mets?
Seattle…if he can’t beat us, join us. Hes a terrific talent.
Mets, because who he can’t beat is Polanco.
God, that was so clutch. He had a nice bounceback year for us in general, but I’ll love him forever for what he did to Skubal in that series.
Hopefully Refsnyder can fill those shoes if we face him again in the PS. 🤞
You have higher hopes for Refsnyder than his Mom does.
Send back Kirby as part of the deal.
Mets
Dodgers. Book it. Either way he’ll be in Dodger blue in 2027 cuz aint nobody going to shell out as much dough as they will. Certainly not John Stanton. God I’d love to be wrong…
There is not going to be a 2027 at this rate of handing out outrageous salaries! Guaranteed!
I could see Skubal dealt to the Padres come the deadline. They love to wheel and deal.
Rays, for a year’s supply of urinal pucks.
roob: They can’t sell him. Those teams do not have the pieces in the minors to get Skubal.
AAV double what the Tigers offered to Skubal in arbitration 🤔.
Arbitration is not free agency…
Yeah, it certainly can poison the FA well, though.
Welp I was wrong on that folks wouldn’t want to sign him for years with that rotten attitude.
That said…COULD a Skubal deal be imminent I wonder? it would make more sense to me if so.
I think the team wins the hearing, holds Skubal and makes a run at a ring.
Team losing the hearing and trading him to the Dodgers, who immediately extend him, would be more fun though.
I fear the latter is happening. Everyone would lose their minds lol.
Boras says hello and won’t let that happen and it will be ZERO money deferred if they succeed. No way Dodgers paying $908 million for a 2x TJS recipient factoring in 110% hit which will take their combined payroll over $650+ million which includes luxury tax!
Omg I think they did something right
With time running out before the start of ST, this AAV and years is what I’d imagined he’d end up getting, as I thought about it yesterday. Except I didn’t imagine he’d forego getting an opt-out after year one. That surprises me. I thought he’d get the two opt-outs.
Strikes me as a very nice set-up for the Tigers. Good on them!
With the $20M bonus if the remaining $95M is evenly distributed he got a very high AAV for those two years.
We’ll see what the deferrals amount to. That’ll mitigate some of the real cost. Tiger fans just have to hope that he does opt-out, two years from now.
Nice to see them picking up one of the top free agents. It will be interesting to find out tomorrow what happens with Skubal’s hearing and whether it results in him being traded. if he stays and Flaherty bounces back they will have a monster rotation this year!!!
Not trading Skubal because of $32M, then signing Valdez for more.
Does not compute. Does not compute. Does not compute.
I guess they could have been planning a trade package all along.and.are.waiting to resolve arb to finalize it. So, you could be right.
Hot ‘n ready pizza now 47 dollars
Congratulations Pirates! You tried! A big off-season full of trying. Pittsburgh gotta be Central favorites with all that trying.
Put some fries on top of that existential misery.
Valdez signs with Tigers
Dodgers trade for Skubal
2026 season over
Can’t wait for Skubal to sign with dodgers next year for 10/480M with 350M deferred… just wait
Would have to be 10/580 or more with that much deferred.
Extremely possible with the way LA has taken a sledgehammer to MLBs salary model
There won’t be a 2027 season and if there is players cannot negotiate contracts which could be mid summer plus next labor contract most definitely will eliminate deferred contracts or at a minimum count it towards luxury tax penalty making it moot point.
I’ll be curious to know how this compares to what Baltimore was offering.
Less years guaranteed for only slightly higher AAV? The longer he lingered on the market. The more apparent it was becoming he just didn’t want to pitch for Baltimore.
He says without knowing dollar figures of other teams offers. Valdez never seemed like a good fit here and I thought that was a nice puffed up media piece.
The Orioles don’t leak much actual information about their specific targets.
He’s the one pitcher out there who would have upgraded the O’s rotation.. Durable LH and a groundball machine.
Ground ball machine behind a bad infield defense. The O’s haven’t prioritized defense at all. I hope Albernaz fixes that but we also added Polar Bear and Ward. Not exactly 2 guys who stand to make you better defensively. Holliday was awful at 2B and Gunnar’s best position is very likely 3B.
I never liked the Valdez fit. He was just the best of what was left.
Agreed about Ward and Alonso. I do think Holliday with show improvement with a year under his belt at 2nd. This off-season has been a huge disappointment IMO despite spending the $$ for Alonso. Baz is injury prone, Elfin is coming off an injury, and the bullpen is still a mess. Signing Giolito, Bassitt, or Verlander isn’t going to cut it.
We need a lot of things to go right. I really like Baz and think he’s going to pop this year.
This bullpen looks bad to me though. Elias has consistently put one together so I’ll wait and see but it was infinitely stronger on paper opening day last season.
Kittredge would’ve been behind Cano, Dominguez, and probably Soto in the pecking order to start the year. He’s unquestionably the 8th inning guy now. Akin is now your top lefty—paired w/ 35 year old journeyman Enns. Not a lot of certainty down there.
Gotta be the bonus
So they paid Valdez $38M+ but they don’t think Skubal is worth $33M???
20 million is signing bonus but yeah, doesn’t make a lot of sense to alienate the guy you had already
You can’t compare arb and FA salaries.
Skubal actually can in his arb case. It’s due to his service time and awards or something to that effect. There was an article on it recently and they spoke about it on foul territory today.
Now Skubal to O’s for Mayo, Ruschman, Kremer and Kherstead.
Who says no?
Valdez is a way overpay. Glad O’s let him go bye bye and didn’t pony up the cash.
Skub Framber Jobe Melton in 27 is Ridiculous Nasty Heat
So much for Rosenthal’s rumor that the Pirates were the most aggressive bidder on Valdez. Does he ever tell the truth anymore?
He was running a bit behind his click quota so needed to juice it up
Kenny ken ken lost any legitimacy about five years ago, He’s in Bowden and Boob land.
But it was supposed to be Baltimore or Pittsburgh or Toronto. 🤣
They were smart not to pay this price
Unless he magically turns into Jordan Montgomery this appears to be a great signing for the Tigers.
They have the best pitcher in the AL (walk season), beefed up their bullpen this offseason, and have some very intriguing young talent set to debut this season. Could this be their season???
Has Jordan Montgomery signed anywhere? Hmmmmm. That is an Arte type signing.
So the tigers who are in an arbitration dispute with the b2b cy young winner just paid more money to a worse pitcher than they would be paying Tarik if they won.
Dammit, the Pirates were so close 😉
DAMN!!!
It’s about friggin’ time…
Team that isn’t going to win, still isn’t going to win. Good chat
and people were saying that the Bluejays overpaid…
They did. One both could be true, two the Jays gave Cease 7yr which is a huge difference, three short term deals are always accompanied by a higher AAV because the length is very favorable for the team, four Valdez is definitely more consistent and a safer bet then Cease and IMO he’s just a better pitcher period. I’d definitely label the Blue Jays an overpay before Detroit, the Tigers at least know they will get solid return on investment for most if not all of the deal, Toronto can not say the same thing.
Yes sir!!!!!!
As a Die Hard Tigers fan I am freaking pumped!!!!!!
Welcome Framber!!!!!
Congrats to you! He seems like a great player and a fantastic pairing with Skubal
You said the same thing when Javier Baez was signed! And Eduardo Rodriguez! And….
Well, enjoy the glow while it lasts!
Great signing for DET, however let’s translate here. This is showing Skubal that this is as much money as they will spend on a front line starter. They will attempt to win this year but they will not be able to sign Skubal and i firmly believe they won’t trade him. Read between the lines Tiger Fans, this is his replacement
This signing just made the Tigers favorites in the Central. Skubal and Valdez is just a filthy 1-2 punch.
Well..Valdez and Hunter Brown didn’t get the Astros into the playoffs, I doubt Kansas City and Cleveland are losing much sleep over this. Is Detroit better? Sure. But there’s a lot of complexity to this if it shoves Melton back to Toledo.
Wow! Nice move by the Tigers.
Here’s hoping Colt & Parker have career years
Baltimore, WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
Being financially smart. This is not the guy you pay that much money to
Preparing for another sub-.500 season it seems.
Another guy who got way less years than he was sold by his agent to be expecting.
Big move for Detroit. They have a great 1-2 punch now. Tough to beat in AL Central.
Skubal to dodgers….Sasaki+ coming back.
Why wouldn’t either team do it?
dodgers don’t care….they’ll just re-sign Skubal,or just go and pay some one else next year.
Just curious how insulted Skubal must be feeling right now.
Spectrum Scott it remains until no longer scared to trade.
Maybe Harris signed Skubal to an extension today for 5/300. I think if Framber is worth 38 Skubs is worth 60. Price of terrible Pizza will skyrocket!
Nice signing for the Tigers but nearly 40mil per for a mid 3 ERA guy. Wth! Somethings gotta change
I know it’s only 2 guaranteed years potentially 3 total but interesting they are willing to give a 32 year old outsider $38M a year but low balled Skubal during extension talks while also negotiating him so hard during the arbitration process? If they tacked on 3 years for the age difference plus another year for the discrepancy in talent we get a 7yr-$265M deal, let’s lower the AAV to a round $35M being after all it is 7yr compared to 3yr, so 7yr-$245M. Wasn’t the last known offer from them after his 2024 season and something like 4yr-$100M? Just very interesting they would come in so low on their own CY Young winner then a year later give a 32yr old that high of an AAV, even if they came close to that 7yr & $35M annual deal after his first CY Young he might have considered staying.
Extension talks are old and Arb numbers are usually capped. If Tarik just gives Detroit a number on an extension to stay with the team that drafted him in the 9th round, I think they would meet it. Or come darn close. He was drafted where he was as a “favor” to Boras.
Well I definitely don’t fault the Pirates to try to compete with that price…holy overpay. I can’t even imagine what Skenes and Skubal are going to command on the market…
It’s getting really stupid, but.hey, good for them.
The Pirates and Orioles both deserve to miss the playoffs because of this. The Tigers deserve another shot.
I would say the opposite for neither team throwing that kind of money at a #2/3 starter already in his early 30s
Oops …I thought the pitching V the Tigers were going to sign was Verlander.
This is much better!!!
Crazy how many people on here don’t realize Framber number can’t be used in direct correlation to what Skubal or Skenes will get. Framber is short term so his AAV is inflated, I’m sure Skenes could sign 3yr-$200M but will be get $66.67M over a 8-10yr deal? Absolutely not. That’s your difference, Skubal was already looking at well over $35M AAV long term, I don’t think Framber deal changes anything or will even be used as an example during his FA negotiations because of the context and the fact he was going to beat that number anyways, same goes for Skenes because his AAV will be even higher.
I have no idea why people assume Skubal is getting traded. With Framber they have a much improved shot at going deep in the PS. I can’t imagine that a Skubal trade would improve their chances this season. They are a better team with Skubal.
I’d assume the Tigers, after signing Framber, are going for it this season, and would not want prospects. Any team trading for Skubal would be in win now mode, and would want to trade prospects, not an MLB level asset. The Tigers trading Skubal now, just doesn’t make sense to me.
I’m pretty sure it’s more of the desire for the drama rather than anything else.
At this point I think the Tigers wreck any credibility they have with their fanbase if they signed Valdez just to trade Skubal. This looks like a desperate attempt to win it all while they still have Skubal. And yet somehow still feels like a slap in the face to Skubal.
They waited until after the arb hearing to announce the signing as to not influence the arbitrators…or Skubal and Boras.
Hopefully Detroit is loading up rather than pre-replacing Skubal in preparation of trading him.
Or, conversely, I hope Detroit is pre-replacing Skubal in preparation of trading him to the Orioles.
Skubal,Framber, Flaherty, and Mize is the 2nd best 1-4 in baseball. (ICU, Dodgers.)
Not Mize
Check the 2nd half stats…
Big deal… The Tigers signed F. Valdez, but they didn’t get IKF! Let’s go Red Sox! Woo hoo!
LOL
The orioles failed for not offering this deal (perfect for them with the player opt out), or he didn’t want to go to Baltimore. So much for the experts’ predictions.
Nice signing. Nice rotation. Skubal was always going to FA to negotiate w/ 30 teams not 1 and he’s going to sign with the highest bidder.
The Orioles were smart not to pay this money, but they are not smart to have waited until February 4th to have figured that out. How does Elias not know weeks ago that Valdez’s asking price is too much? He may know the value of players, but his timing and foresight are horrible. Now, with two weeks before spring training, Elias is once again left to figure out who he can sign or trade for. He does this every year….
They’re going to lose the arbitration case with Skubal
They’re NOT going to trade Skubal.
They have the best pitching in the AL Central now
I would guess, barring serious injuries, they are 90% lock for the playoffs
If they can average 4.5 runs per game for the season they can win the WS
They might even get Skubal to resign, but not until after the WS.
4-5 runs per game is the problem
The Tigers made their bed. I believe they are going to ride out the season with Skubal. If they have a bad season they might trade him if they can get a package worth while at the deadline.
Who is going to give them an elite package for Skubal now, knowing he is going to be a one year rental? Boras is taking him to FA. The only 2 teams that seem feasible are the Dodgers and the Mets. Even if they do make a deal I don’t see it being a windfall for the Tigers because everyone knows they have limited leverage.
Sets up a great 1-2 punch at the top of the rotation and helps them hedge against Skubal leaving.
Skubal won’t be traded, if at all, before the Trade Deadline now. Tigers can’t make a “vote of confidence” move like this signing only to upend it before it gets battle-tested, especially in their Division.
Left handed pitcher fiesta here in Detroit. On the day that Mickey Lolich passes the Tigers now have 2 of the best LH’d pitchers in baseball on their squad.
Tigers should be the favorites to win the AL Central. Good on them for improving the team. Just ride out Skubal and let him help make a deep playoff run.
Finally a team that wants to win the AL Central!
Having him for this season and next at least covers the Tigers of having a stud at the top of rotation for 27 if there is a season.
This should be jacks last season in Detroit, don’t know what mize deal looks like and as much as I want Skubal back I doubt that ends up being the case.
27 rotation could be Valdez, Olson, jobe, melton and ????.
Rotation and bullpen both look to be very strong. Hopefully we see progression from Keith, tork, meadows in the lineup this summer. Still looking for McGonigle to be in for opening day.
Toothed announcement of the trade Skubal will happen. I’m sure it was sign him first.
Even if Skubal was offered Ohtani money Boras would say no. Testing the market.
He’s an uncompromising agent.
Like the DeNiro character in Goidfellas when he goes and tries to collect from Morty.
How about dealing Flaherty and Montero to the Athletics for a couple prospects? 3B Tommy White and RFer Colby Thomas?
One of the best rotations in the Al is quite a statement unless you mean it literally
Lol Tigers. He’s gonna suck.
Waste of money, he is not worth anything close to 40 million per year
Did the Tigers wait to sign Valdez until after the arbitration hearing so as not to give Skubal a $38.5 million data point to support his request for a $32 million award?
The Guardians aren’t ending their WS title drought anytime soon, are they?
Tigers 2014 rotation: Justin Verlander, Max Scherzer, David Price, Anibal Sanchez, Rick Porcello, and 6th man/spot starter Drew Smyly. The last member of that rotation was traded away in 2017 when Verlander went to Houston.
World Series winners from 2017-2022:
2017 – Astros – Verlander
2018 – Red Sox – Porcello
2019 – Nationals – Scherzer and Sanchez
2020 – Dodgers – Price
2021 – Braves – Smyly
2022 – Astros – Verlander
In 2014 Robbie Ray also made his MLB debut for the Tigers. He won the Cy Young in 2021. Porcello won the Cy Young in 2016 with Boston, Scherzer with Washington in 2017, Verlander with Houston in both 2017 and 2022.
If starting pitching won championships, the Tigers would have won in 2014.
They will sign skubol. Ownership has $6 billion