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1:25pm: Sherman has more details on the Yankees' talks with Sabathia.
12:49pm: Rosenthal talked to a rival exec who sees no upside to Sabathia's opt-out clause. I think it could benefit the Yankees if Sabathia performs decently in the third year but the Yanks do not feel he'll be worth $92MM over the following four years. But, opt-out clauses obviously favor the player.
10:50am: For the first time, Brewers GM Doug Melvin confirmed he offered five years and slightly more than $100MM to Sabathia. Adding a sixth year was under serious consideration. Tom Haudricourt also learned from Melvin that Sabathia wanted an opt-out clause no matter where he signed, and the Brewers were prepared to offer one. Ken Rosenthal says the Brewers will not conduct a fire sale in the wake of Sabathia's departure; Melvin intends to "scramble for pitching."
10:14am: Tim Brown and Gordon Edes of Yahoo report that the deal is for $161MM over seven years (which would top Johan's average annual value).
The deal has an opt-out clause after the first three years, which are worth $69MM. The 31 year-old Sabathia will make his opt-out decision after the 2011 season with four years, $92MM remaining on the deal. He would have to buck the opt-out trend (or renegotiate) to make this more than a three-year, $69MM deal for the Yankees. That is not necessarily a bad thing for them.
8:07am: Ken Rosenthal is reporting that the deal is seven years for approximately $160MM - the fourth largest in MLB history. If that's the exact amount it's a hair under the average annual value of Johan Santana's deal.
7:53am: According to Joel Sherman of the New York Post, C.C. Sabathia has chosen to accept the Yankees offer after his latest meeting with Brian Cashman. The news first came in around 3:36am CST.
After three straight days of face-to-face meetings between GM Brian Cashman and Sabathia, the big lefty decided he wants to spend the next six years of his career as a Yankee. The decision came late last night after Cashman flew to see Sabathia at his home in San Francisco. By the time the meeting was concluded, Sabathia had informed the Yankees that he had made his decision to call New York his baseball home, the Post has learned.
Sherman says the deal is not finalized and that there are still "minor hurdles" to overcome. Sherman does not mention if the final offer was any different than the original six-year, $140MM offer or if the contract will require an opt-out clause as was previously speculated.
Cork Gaines writes for RaysIndex.com and can be reached here. Tim Dierkes also contributed to this post.
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FIRST! YEA YEA CC! WELCOME TO NYC!
Posted by: GeneseoMC20 | December 10, 2008 at 07:54 AM
Another purchase that will come back to haunt them. Will the Yankees ever realize that they never won championships by buying their teams? It was always about developing the core and signing role players. They need to get back to that if they want to actually win, instead of just be competitive for most of the season.
Posted by: dorfmac | December 10, 2008 at 07:56 AM
Welcome to Atlanta A.J.
Posted by: HeywardTheFuture | December 10, 2008 at 07:57 AM
well, it sounds like the Yankee's got their man after all. Congrats Yankee's fans. Next years not looking so bad anymore.
Posted by: Longing for Manny...Burriss that is!!! | December 10, 2008 at 07:57 AM
Yankees haven't won anything sine 2000 and also have not bought a big free agent since Mussina/Giambi...Yankees have been bystanders in the recent free agent big contracts...
No brainer signing by the Yankees. The team needed a horse, they got on. They will add another quality starter and be right there to win the division this year...
Posted by: KG2577 | December 10, 2008 at 07:58 AM
Yay! It only took countless hours of meetings and millions upon millions of dollars!
Posted by: Coletrain | December 10, 2008 at 07:59 AM
A sports radio station here in Atlanta reports 7 years, $160 mil. Wow.
Posted by: AtlantaMike | December 10, 2008 at 08:00 AM
No way will that choker succeed in NY. I'm glad he signed with them.
Posted by: Krambo42 | December 10, 2008 at 08:00 AM
Hmmmmmm, dorfmac, Please tell me how signing the best free agent on the market without having to give up a single prospect could possibly be a bad thing?
Oh yea, that’s right, you cant! You just can't see that by Signing an ACE like C.C. the Yankees can spend more time developing 21 year olds like Hughes and such, WITHOUT rushing there development.
But hey, congrats on being the first stereotypical anti-yankees everything. where would the world be without people like you?
Posted by: GeneseoMC20 | December 10, 2008 at 08:01 AM
Anybody who says this is a bad signing for the Yankees is DEAD wrong. As a Sox Fan I think this was a HUGE pickup for the Yankees and makes them instantly Better. The west coast teams dragged their feet and the Yanks did what they needed to do to land the BEST fa starter out there.
Posted by: rrbass27 | December 10, 2008 at 08:01 AM
7yr 160 million good luck NY Redsox still rule
Posted by: Erik Turcotte | December 10, 2008 at 08:02 AM
Yes, espn reports 7 years 160 mil also... so whos next?? whats your opinion? imo i would rather see the yanks go after sheets for 2 yrs.. burnett is going to the braves i think and im not sold on lowe
what do you think?
Posted by: EastCoastie | December 10, 2008 at 08:02 AM
Olney just reported the same 7/160.
RSD...this definitely gets you Tex unless the Angels really go nuts.
Posted by: yankeegirl49 | December 10, 2008 at 08:02 AM
Well, I believe it now. But man, seven years? Really?
I do hope this lands the Sox Tex, though. He's my top offseason priority.
Posted by: 0bsessions | December 10, 2008 at 08:05 AM
The Yankees got their man after all. Good for them! Now some chips can start falling into place.
I'd love to see Lowe with the Phillies and Teixiera with the Red Sox.
Posted by: peterherman | December 10, 2008 at 08:05 AM
why even acknowledge the sox fans? we all know they are idiots, what have they done? oh they traded coco... big move for them.. come on sox fans, dont hate, appreciate!
Posted by: EastCoastie | December 10, 2008 at 08:06 AM
Oh man, 7 years! That should give CC The Hut (thanks RSD) plenty of time to get fat(ter) and lazy. I look forward to him continuing his fine tradition of getting shelled in 90% of his playoffs starts.
Posted by: fapelbon | December 10, 2008 at 08:07 AM
Why do all the Red Sox fans have to come here and spew hatred regarding this nice pickup by the Yankees? There is no need for this. Congratulations. The yankees need a top dog legitimate number 1 pitcher and went out and got it, now they need to go out and get 1, maybe 2 more starters and the rotation will be able to contend with that of both Tampa and Boston and we AL East fans will be able to enjoy a 3 way slug fest again in 2009.
Congratulations once again Yanks!
Posted by: johns | December 10, 2008 at 08:09 AM
"Yankees haven't won anything since 2000 and also have not bought a big free agent since Mussina/Giambi...Yankees have been bystanders in the recent free agent big contracts"
Not counting A-Rod are we?
Posted by: slashieboy | December 10, 2008 at 08:09 AM
Hey EastCoastie,
from what ive read, just about every Sox Fan has complemented this aquisition. Not sure what youve been reading.
Posted by: GeneseoMC20 | December 10, 2008 at 08:09 AM
Let see if some chips start falling now.
Yanks get Sheets and Perez next.
Braves sign up AJ.
Boston gets Lowe.
The Angels will sign Tex.
To the rest goes the scraps.
Posted by: bbxxj | December 10, 2008 at 08:09 AM
"If the report that came out said he was signing with the giants, it would be "hahaha the yankees sure..."
If he signed with the Giants, I'd be even more baffled. Considering they JUST got burned signing a pitcher to a seven year deal, I'd question it doubly with them.
"why even acknowledge the sox fans? we all know they are idiots, what have they done? oh they traded coco... big move for them.. come on sox fans, dont hate, appreciate!"
Rotten comparison. The Sox came within a game of the World Series this past season, compared to the Yankees missing the playoffs entirely. The Yankees have a million holes to fill, whereas the only big question for the Sox right now is whether or not Lowell comes back healthy. As I've said before, I'd love to see Tex suit up for the Sox next season, but if the season started tomorrow, the Sox are still in better position to contend for the division.
Posted by: 0bsessions | December 10, 2008 at 08:10 AM
hey look at it this way, the yankees freed up what 88 mil this year... ok 23 for c.c.. now lets say we go and get sheets for 13 mil.. lets offer tex 22 mil, and throw in manny to kick the sox ass every time we play them for 18 a yr... well we would still be ahead by 12 million.
f the sox nation. go get your own thread!
Posted by: EastCoastie | December 10, 2008 at 08:12 AM
I also read in ESPN 7 yrs and 160.
Posted by: DominicanYanks | December 10, 2008 at 08:12 AM
spare yourselves with the CC choked saga.. did you not forget that the Brewers had him pitching on 3 days rest for what seemed like to be all of september.. cut the guy a break he couldn't win every game he pitches.. without CC the Brewers don't even sniff the playoffs last year
Posted by: ImAwesome | December 10, 2008 at 08:13 AM
I was using the Giants just because it was the first team i could think of. If he signed with ANYONE else other than the yankees, we'd take crap from everyone too. we get it no matter what we do.
Posted by: letsgoyankees | December 10, 2008 at 08:14 AM
I was more referring to his time with the Indians.
Posted by: Krambo42 | December 10, 2008 at 08:14 AM
Oh man, 7 years! That should give CC The Hut (thanks RSD) plenty of time to get fat(ter) and lazy. I look forward to him continuing his fine tradition of getting shelled in 90% of his playoffs starts.
No way will that choker succeed in NY. I'm glad he signed with them.
Another purchase that will come back to haunt them. Will the Yankees ever realize that they never won championships by buying their teams? It was always about developing the core and signing role players. They need to get back to that if they want to actually win, instead of just be competitive for most of the season.
am i reading wrong??
Posted by: EastCoastie | December 10, 2008 at 08:15 AM
Heyman is reporting the Yankees are in deep discussions with Lowe 4 years $66MM and that they also want Burnett or Sheets...
If they sign Lowe and Sheets I would move Joba to the pen...Man that would rule...
Posted by: KG2577 | December 10, 2008 at 08:16 AM
"but if the season started tomorrow, the Sox are still in better position to contend for the division."
But it doesnt start tomorrow..and the Yanks are not done.
Posted by: yankeegirl49 | December 10, 2008 at 08:16 AM
"Boston gets Lowe."
I don't know why this continues to persist. Unless Lowe goes against everything he has said all postseason and signs a one or two year deal, the Sox aren't touching him with a thirty-nine and a half foot pole. They have one of the best one through fours in the game and aren't so desperate for a quality starter that they'd offer anything more than three years to anyone. If the Sox sign a starter, it'll be a random junk number five gamble. As it stands, they've already got a rotation seven men deep (Beckett, Matsuzaka, Lester, Wakefield, Masterson, Buchholz and Bowden) and any of the three past Wakefield would make an adequate fifth guy.
If they go all in on anyone, it'll be Teixeira.
Posted by: 0bsessions | December 10, 2008 at 08:17 AM
From ESPN: "He's now excited about becoming a Yankee," a source told Olney.
Ya think? Hell, for $160 million of seven years I'd be excited to have my tongue ripped out by a mongoose.
Posted by: MaybeTomorrow | December 10, 2008 at 08:17 AM
Rotten comparison. The Sox came within a game of the World Series this past season, compared to the Yankees missing the playoffs entirely. The Yankees have a million holes to fill, whereas the only big question for the Sox right now is whether or not Lowell comes back healthy. As I've said before, I'd love to see Tex suit up for the Sox next season, but if the season started tomorrow, the Sox are still in better position to contend for the division
1 game or 50 games makes no difference, either team didnt accomplish their goal, a world championship, the only thing the sox do is piss off their players, manny, lowell next? sure hes hurt, but when tex becomes a topic, its ok time to move lowell. This is the guy who won you your last world series. now hes garbage?
Posted by: EastCoastie | December 10, 2008 at 08:18 AM
"Another purchase that will come back to haunt them. Will the Yankees ever realize that they never won championships by buying their teams? It was always about developing the core and signing role players. They need to get back to that if they want to actually win, instead of just be competitive for most of the season.
Posted by: dorfmac | December 10, 2008 at 07:56 AM"
I couldn't agree more. Terrible signing by the Yankees. I suppose this means Yankee fans think they are a lock to win the WS next year...HAH
Posted by: Brando | December 10, 2008 at 08:18 AM
Thanks to the Sox fans who were classy. It's appreciated.
This signing is definitely a risk. I would not be surprised if C.C. got hurt at some point in this deal. But he's also the best talent to hit FA since RJ in '99. He's a 28-year-old lefty ace. He costs money (and a lot of it) but the Yanks hold onto Hughes and Kennedy.
A risk, but a necessary risk. Hopefully they can play Burnett/Lowe/Sheets off eachother and get the best deal possible.
Posted by: ajgdrums7814 | December 10, 2008 at 08:19 AM
WE DID IT. YANKEES WIN, THE YANKEEEEEEEEEEES WIN.
on a serious note, i'm very happy this seems to be over now.
Posted by: No27in2009 | December 10, 2008 at 08:20 AM
ok, lets ask this question, who isnt a risk, will any pitcher throw 200 innings every year for 6 years and not feel some pain sometime? i doubt it, guys get hurt, it happens.
Was papelbon, beckett, matsusaka all healthy the past 2 years?
Posted by: EastCoastie | December 10, 2008 at 08:22 AM
"Boston gets Lowe."
I don't know why this continues to persist. Unless Lowe goes against everything he has said all postseason and signs a one or two year deal, the Sox aren't touching him with a thirty-nine and a half foot pole. They have one of the best one through fours in the game and aren't so desperate for a quality starter that they'd offer anything more than three years to anyone. If the Sox sign a starter, it'll be a random junk number five gamble. As it stands, they've already got a rotation seven men deep (Beckett, Matsuzaka, Lester, Wakefield, Masterson, Buchholz and Bowden) and any of the three past Wakefield would make an adequate fifth guy.
If they go all in on anyone, it'll be Teixeira.
Posted by: 0bsessions | December 10, 2008 at
Suppose that sounds reasonable.
So maybe the Yanks will get Sheets and Lowe.
I just think that because Sheets, Lowe, Perez and Perez don't have any super serious deep pocket suitors like Burnett does with the Braves, the Yanks would do well just to sign two from that list.
Posted by: bbxxj | December 10, 2008 at 08:22 AM
if it was the Brewers signing CC to 7/160 or even 10/200 it'd be a great signing..
if the Yanks land Tex too somehow.. it'd be a terrible signing because of his knees, or because his cousins sisters aunts friend lives in staten island and is a distraction.. if anyone else signs Tex.. great signing..
stop the hating.. let us enjoy
Posted by: ImAwesome | December 10, 2008 at 08:23 AM
"I was using the Giants just because it was the first team i could think of. If he signed with ANYONE else other than the yankees, we'd take crap from everyone too. we get it no matter what we do."
I'd be up in arms more than anything if the Sox made this deal. I'd be devastated at the waste of resources. If you don't believe me, look back at comment threads. I've been saying all year I'd hate to see him in a Sox uniform.
"But it doesnt start tomorrow..and the Yanks are not done."
A moot point. I was quite clearly (To the point I quoted it) responding to another person commenting that the Sox are idiots because they haven't made any big free agent splashes. They haven't made any because they don't need to. Much as I love the idea of Teixeira, he's a luxury that would be nice to have, but even without him, we're in better position. If the Yankees sign Lowe, Burnett (Shuffling Joba back to the pen to anchor the eighth) and either Teixeira or Manny, they're in better position, but right now they need to add another starter, a quality bullpen arm or two AND a solid bat to compete against the Sox and Rays, and that's just next season. If they do all of that, they're set up nicely for win now mode, but they'd be bottlenecking the everliving heck out of their prospects and really hurting their potential down the line.
Posted by: 0bsessions | December 10, 2008 at 08:24 AM
ajgdrums: Nice post. I agree 100%. He is only 28 and a true ace. Yankees needed that, and all it cost was money, which they have a ton to spend this year...
Posted by: KG2577 | December 10, 2008 at 08:25 AM
If the Yankees can conceivably get Sheets for 2 years (with vesting options possibly), that is a deal worth making IMO.
Posted by: ajgdrums7814 | December 10, 2008 at 08:25 AM
Welcome Kevin Brown Pavano!
Posted by: George Purcell | December 10, 2008 at 08:25 AM
I do not why the Yankees pay all this money for a guy who has failed miserably in the post season. Their pitching was not bad last year, it was their situational hitting that was terrible. They need role players, not superstars. This is just a another guy who will perform during the season, but not when it counts. Thanks George and friends.
Posted by: SOX2004 | December 10, 2008 at 08:26 AM
hey look, id love to see tex in pinstripes.. LOVE to see it... would be great, it would be a great signing for anyone, including, unfortunatly, the dead sox.. who wouldnt want him?
the sox get him, well, good for them
Posted by: EastCoastie | December 10, 2008 at 08:26 AM
Good. Now all the Yanks need to do is sign Tex, Lowe, Burnett, Sheets, a reanimated Cy Young, and So Taguchi and they're a lock to win the World Series. Number 27 BABY!!!!
Posted by: mford | December 10, 2008 at 08:27 AM
"Yankees haven't won anything sine 2000 and also have not bought a big free agent since Mussina/Giambi...Yankees have been bystanders in the recent free agent big contracts..."
As mentioned earlier, A-Rod, but also Jaret WRight, Carl Pavano, Kei Igawa, Jose Contreras, Jorge Posada, Hideki Matsui - All overpriced guys who have been signed to contracts since Mussina/Giambi. This isn't even counting guys like Gary Sheffield who have since been traded.
I understand the argument that signing CC will give Hughes, etc time to develop. That's valid, and a decent reason. I just don't think there's anyway to justify giving out a 7-year contract worth 160 mil to ANY pitcher. Look at Barry Zito. Sure, CC is a different caliber pitcher, but how long will CC last. His body will certainly not age well, and it will be interesting to see the toll this past season will take on him in the future.
So ultimately, I think the concept of signing CC was good, but the price at which they did it was not, ultimately making it a bad move.
Posted by: dorfmac | December 10, 2008 at 08:28 AM
"This signing is definitely a risk. I would not be surprised if C.C. got hurt at some point in this deal. But he's also the best talent to hit FA since RJ in '99. He's a 28-year-old lefty ace. He costs money (and a lot of it) but the Yanks hold onto Hughes and Kennedy.
A risk, but a necessary risk. Hopefully they can play Burnett/Lowe/Sheets off eachother and get the best deal possible."
I agree with this more than anything. With a team like the Yankees, with deep pockets, I can agree with the idea of a hefty monetary contract, it's the years that are a concern. I just cannot rationalize giving ANY pitcher that long of a contract.
"if the Yanks land Tex too somehow.. it'd be a terrible signing because of his knees, or because his cousins sisters aunts friend lives in staten island and is a distraction.. if anyone else signs Tex.. great signing.."
Again, some of you are a bit presumptuous. If the Yankees land Teixeira, I'll probably spend the evening crying into my hat. While I can live with not having him in Boston, seeing him suit up for the Yanks would be devastating.
Posted by: 0bsessions | December 10, 2008 at 08:28 AM
dorfmac: D.Cone, R.Clemens, D. Wells, O. Hernandez, T. Martinez, C. Davis, C, Fielder, S. Brosious, H. Irabu, Mike Stanton, Chuck Knoblauch, Paul O'Neill, Dwight Gooden, Jimmy Key, Kenny Rogers, David Weathers, Wade Boggs, Mariano Duncan, Ruben Sierra, Jeff Nelson, Jose Vizcaino, David Justice, Glenallen Hill, Luis Polonia, Darryl Strawberry.
Tell now, aren't these almost the most important guys in Yankees WS victories? NONE came up with the Yankees. More than half of the Yankees WS roster was filled with players they "bought".
Do you know when you will see a pitcher of CC's caliber in the free agency? not in the near future. Yankees problems was bad drafting, something that Cashman in the past 3 season has being doing way better.
Posted by: DominicanYanks | December 10, 2008 at 08:28 AM
for all you sox homos good luck with tex it aint happening
Posted by: Turnkey | December 10, 2008 at 08:28 AM
Another "successful" Cashman negotiation. He managed to beat out the second highest offer by 20 mil. Too bad it was his own.
Posted by: SierraM | December 10, 2008 at 08:30 AM
As a Giants fan... I'm shocked with this signing. No one was even close to the original 6/140 million deal, so why would you give him an extra year at 20 million?
Obviously he's no Barry Zito, but he's going to be 35 on his last year of the contract. Plus the fact that he worked over 250+ inning last year makes me question this signing more than I did Zito's 2 years ago.
Posted by: TimmaH55 | December 10, 2008 at 08:30 AM
yes, i think everyone is overlooking the fact that this is a guy is in his prime, we aren't signing a washed up clown into his 40s. he is 28, and this seemingly outrageously long contract only goes to age 35, which is hardly too old.
Posted by: letsgoyankees | December 10, 2008 at 08:31 AM
"Welcome Kevin Brown Pavano!"
Fail...
No comparison...
Posted by: KG2577 | December 10, 2008 at 08:31 AM
Thanks for the intelligent comments Turnkey. How bout you do us all a favor and jump off a bridge just to be sure your genes don't get passed down any further.
Anyway, this is a HUGE pickup for the Yanks. CC is exactly what they needed and they made sure he couldn't say no to their offer. This is just the next move in the Red Sox-Yankees rivalry and I can't wait for September baseball when CC and Beckett toe the rubber against one another. Should be fun. Congrats NY.
Posted by: Papelboner | December 10, 2008 at 08:32 AM
woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
now if we can only get Sheets... I'd rather stay away from AJ... Sheets 2/26 + 2 vesting options FTW!!!
Posted by: casper | December 10, 2008 at 08:33 AM
I do not why the Yankees pay all this money for a guy who has failed miserably in the post season. Their pitching was not bad last year, it was their situational hitting that was terrible. They need role players, not superstars. This is just a another guy who will perform during the season, but not when it counts. Thanks George and friends.
You're forgetting that Mussina, who had the season of his life, retired. They also currently don't have Pettitte. That's 35 wins right there. This also allows them to take it slow on their young guys.
Posted by: letsgoyankees | December 10, 2008 at 08:33 AM
And either way, you cannot argue with the fact that what made the Yankees successful in the mid-90s was developing top-shelf talent and filling in the gaps with FA.
All throughout the 2000's they are doing the opposite: signing top-shelf talent, and trying to fill the gaps with developing players. Which has proven to be unsuccessful.
Posted by: dorfmac | December 10, 2008 at 08:34 AM
I agree that giving 6-7 year deals to pitchers is almost ALWAYS a bad idea.
Will it work out with Sabathia? Probably not. At least not for the entire contract. But the Yankees are one team that can work around bad contracts. So if he gives them 4 great years and then breaks down toward the end, that may justify the means.
Those comparing this to Pavano/Brown etc. need to take a look at what Sabathia is. Sabathia is the first premeir, young pitching talent to hit free agency in a decade. He's 28 years old. He's AL-tested. Is there risk? Hell yeah. But the Yankees aren't crippled if this deal goes sour, and if Sabathia lives up to expectations, the Yankees will have the one thing that has so alluded them: an ace.
Posted by: ajgdrums7814 | December 10, 2008 at 08:34 AM
"I understand the argument that signing CC will give Hughes, etc time to develop. "
This is something I don't necessarily see as a given. There's also the possibility that the Yanks F.O. instead starts to consider them expendable and trades them at less than their optimal value. If they sign Lowe and Burnett on top of C.C., that throws their entire pitching development out of whack. Do you really think they'll hang on to all of their top guys and have two of them linger in AAA and Joba permanently move to the bullpen? Seems unlikely to me.
Posted by: 0bsessions | December 10, 2008 at 08:35 AM
He has all the makings of another Bartolo Colon. The guy is 300 plus pounds and has already pitched 1650 innings. He may be young by age standards but his arm is not.
Posted by: SOX2004 | December 10, 2008 at 08:37 AM
Hey Turnkey... I'm just saying its not a great signing. I think 6/140 million was more than enough to get him, but to pay him more??? As for Zito, at least he still pitches compared to Pavano and Igawa.
Posted by: TimmaH55 | December 10, 2008 at 08:37 AM
what everyone is failing to see here is... the yankees signed the best FA pitcher in baseball, sure they paid for it, but they lost NOTHING. does anyone remeber Joba, hughes, kennedy?
still in the system still developing
Posted by: EastCoastie | December 10, 2008 at 08:37 AM
You can't expect Joba to be a full-time starter next year. He can't just jump into a heavy workload for the whole season. I can see him skipping a few starts here and there.
Posted by: letsgoyankees | December 10, 2008 at 08:37 AM
If I'm the Yankees, Sheets is the guy I go after for a 2-year deal with options. Bring Pettitte back for 1-year, then Hughes or Kennedy take his rotation spot in 2010.
Compete in the present with an eye on the future as well.
Posted by: ajgdrums7814 | December 10, 2008 at 08:39 AM
Wow. All it took was a brief meeting between Sabathia and Theo to light a fire under Cashman to throw in a 7th year. Boras must be drooling in anticipation over Texiera's signing now.
Posted by: Little Bear | December 10, 2008 at 08:39 AM
He has all the makings of another Bartolo Colon. The guy is 300 plus pounds and has already pitched 1650 innings. He may be young by age standards but his arm is not.
Posted by: SOX2004 | December 10, 2008 at 08:37 AM
Colon was never nearly as good as Sabathia.
The physique and workload problems are concerning, as I mentioned, but Sabathia is a premeire talent.
Posted by: ajgdrums7814 | December 10, 2008 at 08:40 AM
who cares about the money? it isn't coming out of my pocket.. ok well maybe a ticket here and there and a $9 hot dog.. but c'mon lets be serious.. i don't care if CC was making 200 mil a year.. not my money, not my problem.. plus who doesn't like a hot dog?
Posted by: ImAwesome | December 10, 2008 at 08:40 AM
I love how i get you sox homos all riled up youre just in here to bash the yanks anyways cant take the heat get out of the kitchen
Posted by: Turnkey | December 10, 2008 at 08:41 AM
They could not get anything for Kennedy if they tried. Hughes needs another 2 years at least to develop. Neither of them throw over 92 miles per hour, they could be good relievers at best. Joba is a stud!!
Posted by: SOX2004 | December 10, 2008 at 08:42 AM
SOX2004, you need to get better scouting.
Posted by: ajgdrums7814 | December 10, 2008 at 08:43 AM
Good, not great signing for the Yankees as it obviously has its risks. But they dealt from a strength (money), filled their biggest need, and got a guy who has been a proven AL performer. That is the most important thing. They've been burned before on guys coming from the NL and no other other FA starter has had any significant success in the AL, at least since 2002 (Lowe).
I'm ok with a short-term deal for Sheets because when healthy he absolutely dominates the NL, which implies he can be at least a very good AL starter. But the others? No way.
Posted by: bobo | December 10, 2008 at 08:43 AM
This is a great deal for NY. Yes, it's a ridiculous amount of money and years, but the Yankees have never had to worry about money. We can't judge them by the standards we would judge, say, the Giants (for whom the Zito contract represents a huge burden). Even if the Yankees only get three good years out of CC, if they win the World Series, no one in New York will care.
Bottom line: New York filled their main need (durable ace) by leveraging their main competitive advantage (money). Can't argue with that.
Posted by: Sarah Green | December 10, 2008 at 08:43 AM
I agree with SOX2004, there's no way I would give 7 years to this guy. He may give Hughes time to develop (although Phil SHOULD start the year in the bigs) but by the end of this contract, CC will be blocking the Yanks rotaion, and prevent the youth from stepping up. That is if he's not hurt.
Posted by: KenInToront | December 10, 2008 at 08:43 AM
They could not get anything for Kennedy if they tried. Hughes needs another 2 years at least to develop. Neither of them throw over 92 miles per hour, they could be good relievers at best. Joba is a stud!!
Posted by: SOX2004 | December 10, 2008 at 08:42 AM
hughes is a mid 90's guy and kennedy is tearing up winter ball
Posted by: EastCoastie | December 10, 2008 at 08:44 AM
can we please please pleaseeeee get rid of Igawa.. trade him to Idaho for a sack of potatoes.. but the Yankees clearly win that trade
Posted by: ImAwesome | December 10, 2008 at 08:44 AM
glavine and maddux didnt throw over 92 either there .you dont even know what youre talking about...duuh
Posted by: Turnkey | December 10, 2008 at 08:44 AM
Yeah, We're all in here just to bash the Yanks anyways, except if you actually read the rest of what I said, you'd realize you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Get a life Turnkey. You bring absolutely NOTHING to this site.
Posted by: Papelboner | December 10, 2008 at 08:45 AM
Ok finally something done, now Red Sox can sign Teixeira. That is why they are here anyway.
Posted by: Cyyoung | December 10, 2008 at 08:45 AM
ajgdrums7814 let me know when Hughes or Kennedy ever threw consistently over 92 mph?
Posted by: SOX2004 | December 10, 2008 at 08:46 AM
papelboner... you are one of the few, take it with a grain of salt. Nothing you have said has been negative. i appreciate sox fans like you.
Posted by: EastCoastie | December 10, 2008 at 08:47 AM
KG2577: "Yankees haven't won anything sine 2000 and also have not bought a big free agent since Mussina/Giambi...Yankees have been bystanders in the recent free agent big contracts..."
True. It's not as if they shattered the world's record for free agent signings just last year.
Posted by: Little Bear | December 10, 2008 at 08:47 AM
dorfmac, but isn't that what they are doing? The have Wang, Joba and Hughes, they are completing the rotation with CC. Also, this doesn't stop being a business. And what im trying to say is, do you know how many jerseys this guy is going to sell. Do you know how much money a guy like Manny would bring to a team. Its still a business and fans usually fail to view it from that side.
They have Cano at 2B, They will soon will have AJ to play center. They don't have a 1B in AAA who can play in the ML, so what do you do, sign one or trade for one, just like any other team would.
Truth is, the Yanks now count on the players from the minors for the future and at the same time sign good players.
Posted by: DominicanYanks | December 10, 2008 at 08:47 AM
i don't know about you guys but im just happy people are finally beginning to sign.. now let the dominoes fall.. CC gone, K-Rod gone... exciting winter meetings, unlike last year
Posted by: ImAwesome | December 10, 2008 at 08:48 AM
Of course, if CC had signed with San Fran or LA, the same Sox fans who are saying this isn't a good deal would be bellowing about how the Yankees screwed up and how nobody wants to play for them and blah blah blah blah.
"The Yankees have a million holes to fill"
Come back to planet Earth. A million holes to fill? This is a team that was decimated by injuries last year. It's something a lot of people forget about. It's not like they were healthy most of the year and played poorly. A-Rod, Posada, Matsui, Damon, Wang, Kennedy, and Hughes all missed significant time. For crissakes, they had to go out and get Sidney Ponson at one point because of their starting rotation.
Lineup wise, the Yanks are in pretty good shape even without Giambi and Abreu. Now that they have CC and can make a run at Sheets, that gives them a top three starting rotation of Sabathia, Sheets and Wang. I'll put that up against any rotation in the AL East.
Posted by: Jay C. | December 10, 2008 at 08:48 AM
Sorry Papeldick must of misread your blog
Posted by: Turnkey | December 10, 2008 at 08:49 AM
Glavine was a lefty and Maddux is a once in a generation pitcher. If you are putting your hopes on Hughes and Kennedy to both be the next Maddux, you will be waiting a long time Turnkey!!
Posted by: SOX2004 | December 10, 2008 at 08:49 AM
Forgot to add Chamberlain to the mix in the starting rotation.
Posted by: Jay C. | December 10, 2008 at 08:49 AM
Geneseo,
I remember Yankee fans saying the same thing about Giambi, and every other huge free agent signing that didn't work...keep in mind: Sabathia is almost 300 pounds and threw over 500 innings the last two years, he's guaranteed to get hurt at some point
Posted by: metzfan22 | December 10, 2008 at 08:50 AM
DominicanYanks..
we have swisher to play 1B/OF
Posted by: ImAwesome | December 10, 2008 at 08:51 AM
was just making a point you dont have to throw a 100mph to be a good pitcher idiot
Posted by: Turnkey | December 10, 2008 at 08:51 AM
Turnkey how old are you? Enough with the insults and try to add something of value.
Posted by: SOX2004 | December 10, 2008 at 08:53 AM
I'll tell you with Toronto, and Baltimore, coming up with young talent. Rays getting better, Yankees signing some good free agents, I hope the Sox sign Teixeira. AL EAST is going to be dogfight. The EAST WILL BE THE BEAST.
Posted by: Cyyoung | December 10, 2008 at 08:53 AM
Turnkey,
Hughes and Kennedy are NOT and WILL NEVER BE Maddux and Glavine...and it's must HAVE, not must of. That's my biggest peeve, people learn that in like second grade, geez...
Posted by: metzfan22 | December 10, 2008 at 08:53 AM
Keep in my that Giambi maybe used Roids.
Posted by: DominicanYanks | December 10, 2008 at 08:54 AM
I realize there are always those Red Sox fans who will find fault in everything the Yanks do and vise versa. It's just annoying to come here to try to talk baseball with some knowledgable fans and all they say are things like:
"for all you sox homos good luck with tex it aint happening"
"love how i get you sox homos all riled up youre just in here to bash the yanks anyways cant take the heat get out of the kitchen"
"Sorry Papeldick must of misread your blog"
I mean, people like this- regardless of the team they support, shouldn't be allowed on here. They do nothing but try to pick meaningless internet fights and bring nothing of any substance to the table. It's really quite pathetic.
Posted by: Papelboner | December 10, 2008 at 08:54 AM
The Yanks did what they felt they had to. The Yanks have the money advantage where they can give a top FA a long term deal to reap the short term benefits. If CC gives us a good 4 or 5 years, they will eat the money for years 6 & 7.
Papelboner...thanks for the classy post. I agree, the rivalry is so much better when both teams load up and are competitive.
Posted by: yankeegirl49 | December 10, 2008 at 08:57 AM
the yankees had one of the best bullpens in baseball last year so half you yankee haters need to actually read up on info before you go spewing out nonsense
how is this a bad signing again? because CC is 6'7 300 pounds...he needs that amount of weight to be durable...when was the last time he was hurt?
Posted by: hawkeyes12990 | December 10, 2008 at 08:57 AM
ImAwesome forgot about him.
Posted by: DominicanYanks | December 10, 2008 at 08:57 AM
told you it was hot in here papeldick go to the sox blog were theres nothing going on
Posted by: Turnkey | December 10, 2008 at 08:57 AM