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  • As expected, Cito Gaston announced Saturday that he will step down as Blue Jays manager after the 2010 season and begin a four-year tenure as an organizational consultant. "I think maybe I can probably help the organization as far as being an advisor," Gaston said (via MLB.com's Jordan Bastian). "It's something that I want to do in my life -- just step back and maybe do something different besides manage."
  • Phil Rogers of the Chicago Tribune believes the Cardinals are deserving of the title "Franchise of the Decade" for the way they've consistently put together winning teams while working with a middle-of-the-road payroll.
  • Steve Slowinski of DRaysBay.com breaks down several trades from Tampa Bay's past. "Like middle-school history teachers always say," he writes,"'You can't know where you're going until you know where you've been."


Comments

It must suck being a Blue Jays fan, knowing you have no chance at the playoffs for a good 15 years.

That arguement for the Cardinals is sooo weak...they aren't a small market team. What about teams like the Twins or Athletics making the postseason multiple times in the decade while having a much smaller payroll than the Cardinals? Or what about the Marlins winning the World Series with a much smaller payroll? I'm sorry, but the team of the decade is not about cost efficiency, it's about who was the best team over the 10 years. If the Yankees win the World Series this year, they are deserving of the claim. If the Phillies win, the Red Sox should be considered the team of the decade, with the Phillies in second place (along with the claim of most dominant team in their peak).

The Phillies, unless they win the World Series, won't be in the top 3.

The Yankees(4), Red Sox (2),Cardinals (2), and Phillies (2) are the only clubs to appear in more than one World Series this decade. The Red Sox are 2-for-2 while the Yankees and Cardinals have each lost at least one World Series so far.

The Yankees have won seven division titles, the Braves have six, the Cardinals five, and the Angels, A's, and the Minnesota Twins four each. Boston's four wild cards rank first this decade.

All in all, the Yankees lead the majors with nine postseason appearances this decade. New York is followed by the Cardinals (7), Braves (6), Red Sox (6), Angels (6) , and A's (5).

You can read more here: http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2009/08/team_of_the_dec_1.php

I was kinda thinking the same thing brian.

I think the Twins should be the team that gets organization of the decade.

They've had even smaller payrolls than the Cards yet won the Central what, 6 times this decade and tied once?

They traded away arguably the best pitcher in the game (at the time) in Santana and tie for the divion then win it hte next year?


THAT is the sign of a great organization. Yes, they've made some mistakes (young for garz, not getting enough for Santana), but remember when they drafted Mauer over Mark Prior and 99% of people ripped on them for being dumb?

GENIUSES!

The 2010 managerial hot stove is going to be interesting with a possibility of Cox, Torre, LaRussa, and Gaston walking away from the game along with whomever may get fired.

According the the US. Census Bureau. Stl has roughly 300k more people than Minneapolis, MN... I dont know what you consider a large market team but I wouldnt consider STL one at all. Also how many WS have the twins been too? Cards traded away a great pitcher as well... his name is Dan Haren. So QQ more please. The cards payroll is middle of the road not low or high and they are consistant with it.

The Cardinals haven't had a small payroll by any means but compared to the Yankees and Red Sox you have to be impressed with what they've accomplished this decade. That said, while they're the franchise of the decade in the NL, I think the Yankees' 8 Division titles, 4 pennants and WS championship(even if they lose this year) make them the most successful no matter what they cost.

The Red Sox stack up nicely with the Yankees with their 2 WS Championships, as will the Phillies if they can beat out the Yankees. But Boston doesn't quite have the overall success the Yankees have had and Philly, apart from the last two years, has been second/third place quality.

The Twins and Braves are to the other extreme, racking up wins but unable to finish in the postseason.

I'd say Yankees, Red Sox, Cardinals, Angels, Twins, Braves, in that order.

BF,FYI larussa already resigned with the cardinals so he will not be in the Hot stove.

Brian91388, the article said "middle-of-the-road payroll" not small market.

The Twins could't possibly play in a weaker division, so they best win. Let's see how they play when they get out of the Hefty dome.

Heard the argument recently on the radio by some sports radio talker that the Twins aren't a small market team, contrary to popular belief. The Twin Cities is/are a thriving community and X number of Fortune 500 companies are HQ'd there.

JF18,

I know LaRussa re-signed with the Cards but he has a mutual option for 2011, meaning he could theoretically walk away after next season. Hence why I said there was a possibility.

"The 2010 managerial hot stove is going to be interesting with a possibility of Cox, Torre, LaRussa, and Gaston walking away from the game along with whomever may get fired."

Lou Pinella's contract is up after 2010 as well.

Cards traded away a great pitcher as well... his name is Dan Haren.

Posted by: Jamie Oakley | October 31, 2009 at 04:19 PM


Good point. I now agree the Cardinals should be eliminated from the team of the decade discussion because of this trade.

if the rays trade bartlett/ crawford i will never watch the rays as long as i can see....

: brian91388

Brian…get over it…your blue and lack of common sense is showing through. BTW: just in…the Cubs have mathematically been eliminated from the 2010 National League Central division race.

I can understand having favorite players, but if you are a fan of the team, I think you need to recognize that sometimes it is the right thing to trade players at their peak.

The best GMs recognize that it is important to keep rotating their talent to strengthen and deepen their roster. It is a balancing act since the idea is to remain competitive as long as possible and not to trade a player who might put you over the top.

But if you evaluate correctly, and can replace the production of a present star with someone as productive, or at least nearly so, while adding to your roster elsewhere, you have to do it.

I am guessing that either Bartlett or Brignac will be gone before the 2010 season, and if Brignac can supply production at SS while Bartlett can bring back more value in a trade, then the Rays have to trade him.

I doubt Crawford will be traded early, or at all if the Rays are contending, but again, should the Rays slip by the trade deadline, it will probably be the right thing to do to trade him too.

Know ID yuh

"It must suck being an Orioles fan, knowing you have no chance at the playoffs for a good 15 years."

It must suck knowing the Cubs have not won to the WS sense 1908.

Um, ok, random, but nice come back?

If the Cubs played in the same division as the Yankees and Red Sox (and to a lesser extent, the Rays), I would think their chances in the next 15 years are worse than their current outlook over the next 15 years. The Cubs could actually be a dynasty by year 15, since they have the money to buy good players. I could care less either way.

Know ID yuh,

I think you're overlooking the value of prospects. Sure its nice to compete now, but not every team has that luxury. Instead, those teams should work hard at scouting, drafting, and developing prospects that can help them in the near future. With these prospects, the teams then have a window to compete after the prospects become experienced and are still under team control.

I'd actually argue that developing prospects is no greater of a risk than signing free agents, given the risk of injury and decline that pop up with long-term contracts.

I'm not overlooking the value of prospects. Guess who else has prospects? Yankees and Red Sox.

You can fill your roster with 15 can't miss prospects, half will either get injured, or never approach their potential, the other half will, one or two become superstars, and you have, as you put it, a window to compete. If everything goes right for a couple years, you are looking at a nice solid third place in the AL East, assuming the Rays have a bad year.

Sure there is risk with signing free agents, but what happens when they don't pan out? There is a new class of free agents the following year.

Then again, maybe they'll add a salary cap in the next 15 years, and that would change things.

I agree that the Cardinals should be the franchise of the decade because of their consistency while other clubs are striving to be in that position such as the Phillies, Twins, Braves, etc. The Yankees and BoSox are not because of being able to afford and pay big contracts to their players. Either way, Cardinals are more deserving and if Tony LaRussa walks away after next season it has been a nice run. I believe MLB should consider a salary cap to quit giving these huge contracts when other teams have to rely on their farm system. It just doesn't make sense to me but it is up to MLB.

"Wow. Just wow. That is a thing of beauty right there. For Mark Mulder, the Athletics originally received Dan Haren, Kiko Calero, and Daric Barton, but they eventually received another 10 player if you follow the trade strings to their current state."

I'm not really getting that part of the article. They didn't get 3 prospects, and then 'another 10 player'. They got three, traded away two of them, and at the end of it all, they netter out 9 prospects. And the writer didn't even mention that part of the reason why they got some of the prospects is that they gave up Street, who had considerable value. It worked out really well for Oakland, but there is no reason to make it out to be more than it is.

brian.... the marlins have no payroll, but they had a ton of sucky yrs to build a farm team that could produce a championship team... 1 playoff appearance and a ring doesnt constitute a team of the decade.. the cards deserve it because hell.. we dont have a big payroll either WE CANT EVEN KEEP HOLLIDAY!!!

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