Padres Discussion: Non-Adrian Gonzalez Edition

Why would they need a third basemen? They have Kouzmanoff and Headley.

At least MLBTR doesn't pull Sports Illustrated... when they had their "Brett Favre Free" issue... there in their "tweets of the week" was good ol' Brett Favre...

I think they need to trade Kouzmanoff and get whatever they can out of him now.

Move Headley back to 3B full time and let Blanks have LF full time = better offense.

Yeah, I agree just dont see us signing Cameron, the guys too old as it is, anyways pretty sure he wants a 2 year deal anyways, and no way Pads give him one. And really trade Kouzmanoff, I really dont see the point of us getting rid of Kouz and Gonzales (Who is going to get traded). Anyways Kouzmanoff is better than Headly anyways, Headly just isnt that good his power sucks, hes slow, and is a poor defender even at third.

I could see da Padres in the hunt . Heck...I could see any team in the Major Leagues in the hunt except for the Nationals...yes the A's, Royals, Orioles, and Blue Jays, and Pirates bec ause they all have good pieces I mean all these teams need is 1 or 2 holes to plug hether it be starting pitching a bullpen arm [in the Nationals case they would need about 5 or 6 arms] or a bat. But realisticly you could see any team make it to the playoffs except the Nationals unless they get good pitching HELL YA

"I'm not making any proposals but would there be a way for Boston to acquire A-Gonz without giving up Kelly, Westy, Buccholz or Bard? If so, would it cost more in terms of numbers, value or numbers AND value?

Posted by: bosox15 | November 16, 2009 at 06:03 PM "

If the Padres aren't getting at least two of those guys in return, they shouldn't deal him.

I say trade him for a TON of players if you get prospects take it Padres need to rebuild

Posted by: Black-And-Proud | November 16, 2009 at 06:10 PM

quality over quantity..

If the Padres aren't getting at least two of those guys in return, they shouldn't deal him.

Posted by: R y a n | November 16, 2009 at 06:11 PM

I completely agree. I'm a Sox fan and I would love to see us get him while keeping those guys, but if they Pads don't get at least 1 in a starting proposal, they should laugh and hang up the phone.

Boston does actually have catching depth, especially at the lower minors, but probably too far away for Padre interest. Exposito they probably would not move, with him being the probable future catcher, but Fed-X at High A ball and the Sox offensive player of the year, Ryan Lavarnway, also at A Ball could be moved.

Hoyer would know these 2 well, they were both top 10 picks from 2008 and Lavarnway was a top $$$ bonus baby.

Bringing in Cameron doesn't make sense unless you can get him deadly cheap.

Have MLBTR done the 2010 discussion for the Padres yet?

C Hundley
1B A-Gon
2B Ecks?
SS ?
3B Kouz
LF Headley
CF ?
RF Blanks

P Correa
p Young
p Latos
p Poreda
p Gallagher/Richard
c Bell

There is a lot of young talent to build around, especially on that pitching staff. I think Latos and Poreda could be a scary 1-2 in that park. But the rest of the team isn't ready to win, so why add pieces now? I'd stay cheap at CF and SS, until you know Headly and Blanks can protect A-Gon, then decide if its time to upgrade. They don't have a stellar farm systems, but there are a couple guys with decent plate control that could at least give them some OBP to make things interesting.

@Johns: I doubt the Padres are looking for a catcher who is in the lower minors.

@Bosox15: Its not just a question of what is going to cost right now. We dont know if other teams are going to enter the bidding. And if they can offer more or less then what the Red Sox currently offer or are willing to offer. Thats the point we dont know enough about any conversations that have taken place that can conclude what players are in any deal for Adrian. I know that people will say the Red Sox can top X offer, but wait to see what X offer is, and if the Red Sox are willing to top X offer.

@Dylon: I dont see a match, unless its for pitching with the twins. The Padres have basically the same needs for future in the middle infield. I dont see the Twins moving Young or the Padres truly wanting him either. So pitching. No idea on level or type, but pitching.

" I know that people will say the Red Sox can top X offer, but wait to see what X offer is, and if the Red Sox are willing to top X offer. "

Way things may be looking this off season, the Sox also may want to see if over paid sluggers lick Miguel Cabrera are available that may have not been for less prospects, just picking up huge 100M+ contracts and keeping top prospects.

This could be a very interesting off season for a lot of teams.

If SD could somehow move Kouz and get something worthwhile prospect wise, that should be considered a good job in itself, then find a suitable body to man 3B for a year or 2 and continue to rebuild, or even try to move Bell even.

If Gonzalez can be held onto and get decent prospects, close to ready to contribute at the MLB level, then just maybe Gonzo would be willing to consider signing that extension that SD fans would have to love for him to sign with them.

Have MLBTR done the 2010 discussion for the Padres yet?

C Hundley
1B A-Gon
2B Ecks?
SS ?
3B Kouz
LF Headley
CF ?
RF Blanks

Umm afdaddy obviously you don't watch the Pads much, or you would know that SS is locked up for years by Everth Cabrera. Was picked up last year in the rule V draft, played great defense, stole 25 bases (33 attempts) and hit a respectable 255. Not bad for a kid who never played above low A before.

Centerfield is another story....but SS is filled for awhile.

Just another idiot, Why wouldn't Everth be the shortstop, I mean theres little question about that, also Center Field Currently would be a platoon of Venable and Gwynn. And predicatably Gonzo will be gone, so really the question is who is the third every day outfielder (as Gwynn isnt an every day guy)

so much for the non-Adrian talk...

I liked the Padres article and agreed with pretty much everything Brock wrote. The only qualm I have though is Brock's failure to address the two 3B's we have. Given that Headley is not very good in LF (in my opinion), Blanks would be better in LF all year, and plenty of teams would like a young productive 3B, I would definitely trade Headley or Kouz. At this point, I don't even care which one we keep. I think both are solid players, but of course Kouz will be more expensive in the near future.

Bell should probably also be traded, as much as I love his Kenny Powers persona in the clubhouse. If we can upgrade the offense (prob at CF, 2B, or C) while trading a 3B, I think we will have had a great offseason. If we need to also trade Bell to get this done, so be it.

As far as pitching goes, we could definitely use one more solid pitcher. With the internal options we have, I think we should probably go the vet route for a cheap reliable innings eater (ala Garland).

Conventional wisdom and a Moneyball approach would suggest that the Padres should probably target a flyball pitcher looking to rebuild value. Sheets fits this description beautifully, and I think our new front office is savvy enough to sell the long-term value to be had for both the Padres and the player. Of course there will probably be plenty of other bidders throwing more money in the near future for such players. I guess we just have to wait out the market though unless we decide to be more pro-active in landing a rehab project early.

How about quality and quantity

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Not a fan of platoon jobs for players but Anthony Gwynn Struggles against lefties and may not be an everyday CF, IF the Padres do not sign a FA and assuming that Durango is not ready I would love to see a platoon of Jerry Hairston Jr. and TGJ. Venable could move over to CF when Hairston was playing, Blanks is LF Jerry in RF something to that affect. I guess playing Devils Advocate the argument against that would be why not just pay a little more for Mike Cameron, maybe so.. but if Jerry would come cheap that could be a relatively short term solution to bridge the gap for Durango also enabling the bench to improve.

Headley will NOT be in the outfield! Hoyer's emphasis is on pitching and defense. Kooz and Bell should be packaged to Philli for Michael Taylor and maybe on lower tear prospect. Headley will be at third.

I also think, Blanks will not play in the outfield that long again Hoyer putting emphasis on Defense, I see Adrian still being dealt. SOX, Red Sox that is, sorry White Sox fans, still have the best options and could probably make not only the best deal but a deal that fits for both teams.

I think Adrian gets dealt now instead of later.

Dylon,

The Twins have one of the best catching prospects in baseball in Wilson Ramos. That would be a good match for the Padres if packaged with a good prospect like Shooter Hunt for Kouzmanoff.

Airman, the Twins reportedly offered Young AND Slowey for Kouzmanoff and a prospect last season before his surgery. Padres turned it down.

Airman, yeah thats a good point, I was just going from the standpoint that they trade Gonzo (Which seems like the most likely thing, esspecially since we dont even have the budget to resign, would bassically leave no room to even pick up other players, let alone probably pay him enough). Thought if the keep Gonzo I would see Headly or Kouz gone. But other than that I just dont see them trading Kouz or Headly. Headly really has not trade vlaue (Not alot of team really would even want him. And Kouz is interesting, I think the problem is not alot of teams are looking for third Basemans (Ones that really would be looking to make a trade). Also with as cheap as Kouz is right now, not much point in trading till you cant afford him. But I do agree about the Bell trade, do think Bell might get traded, esspecially with how he declined through the season and how Adams looked (And was it me or did it look like he gained all the weight back he lost last offseason). And I don't see Huffman being the other outfielder, I see it more likely the Pads picking someone up that's a little more veteran (A good veteran could really help improve the young outfielders) Also dont forget Durango.
But yeah it really is a sucky situation there in cause the almost have to get rid of Gonzo, Kouz, or Headly, just because they can have both Headly and Blanks in the outfield (Also because you got to be able to use Venable and Gwynn cause there both good). But yeah going to be interesting to see who the bring in to feel bench spots since like all last years bench left.

@Websoulsurfer: I never saw that, and I would doubt that the Twins would give up so much, unless the prospect was one of our better ones. But I dont see the Padres getting a top prospect for Kouz, even with his second half.

Dtrian: I see the Adrian trade as coming down to if the Padres can get an extension done. Cause they will move him either now or at the deadline if no extension. And in truth, we wont know what kind of moves the Padres will make until they decide what do with Adrian.

Airman, the Twins reportedly offered Young AND Slowey for Kouzmanoff and a prospect last season before his surgery. Padres turned it down.

Posted by: Websoulsurfer | November 17, 2009 at 01:28 AM

Websoul, I doubt your claim. Do you have a source or link?

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Don't trust anything web says he sourecs he says are joke.