Yankees Sign Rafael Soriano

The Yankees have signed Rafael Soriano to a three-year contract, the team announced today. The deal is believed to be worth $35MM over three years, and will allow the player to opt out after either of the first two years.The Scott Boras client will make $11.5MM if he opts out after year one and $21.5MM if he opts out after year two. The contract does not include a no-trade clause.

The deal comes just days after GM Brian Cashman said that he would not surrender his first round pick to sign a free agent. The Rays will receive New York's first round pick (31st overall) as well as a supplemental first round pick as compensation for their loss. 

The 31-year-old Soriano was the top closer on the market, but he's going to have to serve as Mariano Rivera's setup man with the Yankees. He pitched to a 1.73 ERA with 8.2 K/9 and just 2.0 BB/9 in 62.1 innings last year, the second straight season he's avoided the disabled list. He's battled elbow trouble in the past, including Tommy John surgery back in 2004. Over the last four seasons, Soriano has struck out 9.8 batters per nine innings while walking 2.7 per nine. Although his home run rate has improved in recent years (0.7 HR/9 since 2008), he's an extreme fly ball pitcher (just 31% ground balls in his career). That could give him some problems in hitter friendly Yankee Stadium. 

At an $11.67MM average annual value, Soriano will be the fifth highest paid reliever in baseball, trailing only Rivera, Brad Lidge, Francisco Rodriguez, and Joe Nathan. Jonathan Papelbon's eventual 2011 salary could also factor into that equation soon enough. It's a healthy raise from the $7.5MM Soriano earned in 2010, which came after he accepted the Braves offer of arbitration last offseason. With Billy Wagner already on board, it pushed Atlanta to trade him to Tampa.

SI.com's Jon Heyman adds that the Yankees still have about $20MM to spend before they hit their 2011 payroll limit (Twitter link). That's plenty for a right-handed outfield bat and starting pitching, even if they wait for a salary dump situation to arise during the season.

Heyman originally reported the agreement (all Twitter links). ESPN's Buster Olney and Tyler Kepner of The New York Times added details (Twitter links).


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  1. scotsman1948 4 years ago

    Cashman lies again. the Yankees will not give up their 1st round pick, yeah right

    • gianthinker 4 years ago

      Its called bargaining and bluffing.

      • renegade24 4 years ago

        3/35. Great bargaining power used there.

        • mattmosher 4 years ago

          Yeah really. It’s a desparate move any way you slice it.

          I love it…..way to punt the first rounder in a great draft!!! HAHAHA

          • TwinsVet 4 years ago

            Not to mention, the 2011 draft class is the most attractive in a decade. The 31st pick is more like the 10th pick in recent years classes.

  2. gianthinker 4 years ago

    Why are people complaining? Their bullpen is stacked now. Who cares about the picks? Sign Andruw Jones and we’re set in the OF and either Garcia or Duchsherer and we’ll rock out with Nova as our #5. Hughes and CC will be fine. AJ can’t be any worse than last season. If Pettitte comes back its a bonus. Considering it was an offseason all about Cliff Lee this is a good recovery.

  3. Fangaffes 4 years ago

    “the Yankees still have about $20MM to spend … That’s plenty for a right-handed outfield bat and starting pitching, even if they wait for a salary dump situation to arise during the season.”

    Shouldn’t that be plenty for a right-handed outfield bat OR starting pitching? Who is going to salary dump a player making $10M or less who is good enough for the Yankees rotation or outfield?

    • TwinsVet 4 years ago

      Exactly. What quality bats or SP are still free agents?

      And if they’re looking for a salary dump, having fun with Zambrano or Cuddyer.

  4. Slopeboy 4 years ago

    You need to worry about the Orioles.

    • renegade24 4 years ago

      Nobody needs to worry about the Orioles. Last place is theirs, don’t worry.

      • MB923 4 years ago

        Too bad them and the Blue Jays, 2 decent teams, are stuck in the wrong division. I hope to see 1 of the 2 be successful in several years.

      • Slopeboy 4 years ago

        @ renegade
        Actually this was was supposed to go to Fan of BJ’s but the reply failed once again

  5. Ferrariman 4 years ago

    The Rays have like 6 first round picks now. Maybe more from Balfour. That is just not fair…

    • FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

      do they even have money to sign them all?

  6. ju1ced 4 years ago

    LOL. Yankees, the joke of baseball, never fail to give us a laugh.

    • ultimate913 4 years ago

      27 time world champions sure are a joke! They should be contracted. What a disgrace.

      • ju1ced 4 years ago

        Did you enjoy watching them will all 27?
        Brag when they win their next one, hopefully their payroll will be under $400M when they do!

        • dickylarue 4 years ago

          What a bitter Betty you are. They just won a title 2 seasons ago and were two games from the world series. How that qualifies as being a joke is beyond me. Why don’t quit the Yankee hate and grow up. If you want a laugh, see Carl Crawford and Jason Werth in years 5,6,7 of their deals.

          • “If you want a laugh, see Carl Crawford and Jason Werth in years 5,6,7 of their deals.”

            A-Rod in years 8,9,10 of his deal says, “Pfft. You wanna see real funny?”

          • ju1ced 4 years ago

            I’m sure we’ll laugh even more for Cano’s contract.

          • dickylarue 4 years ago

            Great point/comeback. Arod in years 8, 9 and 10 will probably be taking tickets in the great hall and pointing people to bathrooms.

          • ju1ced 4 years ago

            Not bitter really. I don’t think I could even cheer for a team that had such a ridiculous payroll for so many years. It’s almost like cheating. Could you imagine if their payroll was $100M less? They probably wouldn’t even be a .500 team rofl.

        • ultimate913 4 years ago

          No. I didn’t know they willed all 27. Sorry.

          Brag when they win their next one? Ha. As a Yankee fan, I can(but wont) brag to 28 other team’s fans. No one else has won the championship more recently.

          Nice try though. Come back when you put up a valid argument.

  7. Slopeboy 4 years ago

    You should worry about the Orioles.

  8. safari_punch 4 years ago

    What an idiotic waste of money.

  9. Guest 4 years ago

    oh how ignorant you all are. i see people whining about the 1st round draft pick. are you guys serious?

    jesus montero- international free agent
    gary sanchez- international free agent

    See where i’m going? the yankees don’t necessarily need 1st round draft picks, because they can simply scour the international market and sign those players. its really not hard to comprehend ladies.

  10. HHHDMS 4 years ago

    I like the signing because when Mo retires and Soriano decides to remain a Yankee , and if he performs well the Yanks will sign him long term to be their next closer…
    I will miss Mo but he’s still around !
    Id like to see a pitcher get signed now..or some kind of trade…I know that Cashman is looking at possibilities ..

  11. I guess the Yanks had to overpay someone this offseason. Elite closer money and a first round pick for a great setup man with injury risks.

  12. Am I the only one who really really likes this deal?? As far as the draft pick goes, who cares?? Everyone is acting like that draft pick was going to be the next Sandy Koufax or Babe Ruth. There’s a better chance that the player selected won’t make it past AAA versus being an All-Star. Now as far as the money goes, again, who cares??? It aint our money. Plus I highly doubt a large contract like this one will limit what the yankees want to do. Money is no object to them. Besides, I much rather have them overpay a great pitcher than sign a decent one to a team-friendly deal.

    • MetsFanXXIII 4 years ago

      That was certainly the plan with Cliff Lee.

    • dickylarue 4 years ago

      I love this deal for the Yankees. There were no real options for the rotation so making the pen the strong point is a brilliant move while they try to find starting pitching. If the Yankees have a lead in the 6th, the game is over most nights. Their pen can play matchups in the 6-7 and then Soriano and Mo finish it.

  13. panda11864 4 years ago

    More Yankee Desperation! Cashmen make big splash by signing who? Soriano and gave up a 1st rounder. STU-pid! I guess Cashmen thinks he needs to make a bigger splash than anybody else. Problem is the big guns are already gone. It’s just cashmen trying to save his job I guess. (And ticking off Rivera on the way.) All I see is the roots of conflict in the bullpen. Soriano wants to close. Rivera won’t be happy to share time. I’m a Red Sox fan but I still see Rivera as the closer under pressure I would want. Too bad he would.nt come to Boston.

    • dickylarue 4 years ago

      He won a world series last year genius. He’s hardly trying to save his job. Signing the best reliever on the market isn’t a desperate move. It just gave the Yankees the best pen in the game.

      If they find a decent starter or Pettitte comes back, his off season is complete and it’s a great one.

  14. vtadave 4 years ago

    One solid year plus two 2012 picks for giving up a 2011 first rounder. Wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world for the Yankees.

  15. MetsFanXXIII 4 years ago

    One thing that I don’t think could be disputed is that this is not quite the way the Yankees front office envisioned their offseason panning out. They banked everything on Lee, went through the whole snake charmer saga with him, only to have him say no. I imagine they would have then liked to sign say a Jorge De La Rosa type, problem is all of the second tier guys were gone by that point (not that there were many to begin with), well everyone except Carl Pavano. On top of that, the Andy Pettitte safety net now doesn’t seem to be quite so reliable. Pettitte I think influenced this decision. We here his return is in serious doubt, and then Cashman signs Soriano after saying he wouldn’t give up a pick for him. This move has to be at least partly reactionary. I realize I’m a Mets fan and they’ve done even less, but the difference is any Met fan who pays attention wasn’t expecting anything of significance this offseason, whereas the Yanks had made it crystal clear since they nearly traded for him that they thought Lee was their guy. I just don’t think they were planning on being outbid for him, and they weren’t, but it turns out that wasn’t enough. They’ll still compete in the AL East, but they’ll need their guys to stay healthy and consistent, and at least one of their young guys to shine.

  16. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    And if he walks you get two draft picks.

    a) Yanks were not going to get him for less than a two year deal.
    b) If he gets hurt during those two years then you’re screwed anyway.
    c) If he’s great and opt out then the Yanks offer him arb he signs elsewhere they get a 1st rnd pick for 2012 as well as a supplemental pick as well.

    The opt out works to Sorinao’s benefit but to say it hurts the Yanks isn’t really the case since a “normal” multi-year deal w/o the opt out comes with the same consequences if he’s injured at all during the length of the deal.

    • “c) If he’s great and opt out then the Yanks offer him arb he signs elsewhere they get a 1st rnd pick for 2012 as well as a supplemental pick as well.”

      Unlikely. No team other than the Yankees have shown any history of giving up 1st round picks for a reliever. If he opts out and signs elsewhere it would be for a 2nd rounder most likely. Not to mention the 2012 draft will probably be nowhere near the 2011 draft in talent, but that’s a different story and I digress.

      • MetsFanXXIII 4 years ago

        Plus if the Yanks use him primarily as a set-up man, how could his value possibly exceed what it is right now?

      • MB923 4 years ago

        When was the last time the Yankees signed a reliever and lost a first round pick? Most of their relievers have come via trade or are homegrown in recent years. Farnsworth maybe? Tom Gordon? Not sure if they were offered arbitration or not those years.

  17. 11$MD for a reliever and another 11+ for MO, come on yankees! you’re paying 22MD+ on 2 Relievers!!!!
    It’s just not right!!

  18. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    I don’t see your logic. The Yanks didn’t make a play at all for Crawford and if it were his intent then I would think there would’ve at least been an offer. The logic you’re using is that the Yanks would’ve signed Crawford and then traded Gardner and prospects for pitching.

    Gardner is a very good player but his value is only so much. IF the plan B would’ve been to sign Crawford and use Gardner and prospects to obtain a front of rotation then I’m 125% sure that the Yanks could’ve come up with another package substituting more prospects in place of Gardner and would’ve still made that deal. Seeing as that hasn’t happened then my guess is it was never a plan B involving Crawford or Gardner in consideration and they never had that pitcher in sites.

  19. Redsoxn8tion 4 years ago

    I give him credit for signing with a contender. His other options were probably teams that have no chance. What’s gonna happen to Jaba, I mean Joba?

  20. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    Joba is more than a throw in. Does anyone bother to consider his age (25) and the fact that he has a career 3.63 FIP, a 45% GB rate and a 9.2 K/9 rate in 353 IP?

    • Guest 4 years ago

      or that last year his FIP was a sexy 2.98… which is only .02 higher than Neftali Feliz.

      • MB923 4 years ago

        In regards to stats, to each his own, but personally I find FIP useless. It doesn’t penalize pitchers for hits given up other than home runs. YOu can’t say a pitcher isn’t responsible for hits he gives up. Yeah there are cases when a play could be made and it shouldn’t have been a hit, or sometimes the cheap hits come (slow roller, blooper, etc.), but at the same time, fielders make great plays to save hits, so it pretty much evens out.

        Small sample size, but let me do it anyway. Who pitched the better game

        Player A- 6 innings, 1 run, 4 hits (1 being a HR and as the only run), 3 BB’s, 0 strikeout.

        Player B- 6 innings, 4 runs, 9 hits, 0 BB’s, 8 K’s (No HR allowed)

        Better ERA? Player A
        Better FIP? Player B

        Do you think Player B pitched a better game? Again I know that’s just a small sample size, but it’s still a good example to use of how FIP isn’t a very good stat. Of course I’d take anything over W-L though.

        • MaineSox 4 years ago

          FIP isn’t useless when used in context. It tells you how well a pitcher controlled certain aspects of the game but it doesn’t, on it’s own, tell you how good a pitcher is. The problem comes when people use it as a stand alone stats to say “Pitcher A is better than Pitcher B because he had a lower FIP” that’s not what it was designed to do.

    • Guest 4 years ago

      to add to what i said also, Joba’s FIP was also better than Sorianos.

    • Since you seem to love FIPs, why don’t we discuss the following?
      Soriano 2.81 FIP 2010 — $35 mil
      Jenks 2.59 FIP 2010 — $12 mil

      • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

        Here’s the stupidity that any conversation regarding a Yankee post is reduced to.

        a) I already stated that while I like the signing, I don’t like the amount. I felt 3/$24 was where it should’ve been. So you comparing what Jenks makes over 2 years to what Soriano might make in 3 is a waste of time.

        b) Jenks plays for the SOx so I could careless and to my knowledge I never bothered to compare the two.

        c) Jenks role if vastly different than what Soriano’s role will be.

        Not a single person mentioned Jenks in the above replys. Do you have such a “little brother vs big brother” complex that you must constantly compare the Sox to the Yanks even though that wasn’t the point of discussion? YOu want a cookie? The Jenks signing was a good one for the Sox. There you go. Just for you my friend.

        • No need to get so upset my friend. With all the reply button fails in this thread it shouldn’t surprise you if I’m reading all posts randomly

          • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

            Not mad. Just tired of conversations turning into Sox vs Yanks comparisons. It’s almost impossible to make a comment w/o having AJ, Arod or Igawa thrown in my face.

  21. jdat11 4 years ago

    Way, way, way over priced. This really could blow up in the yankees face. I’m willing to bet that bobby jenks has a better year then soriano.

    • MaineSox 4 years ago

      I’m not

      • jdat11 4 years ago

        I feel that the risk for that type of money for anybody not Mariano Rivera is not worth it. He’s been a great pitcher, but being a relief pitcher can be real streaky.

        • MaineSox 4 years ago

          That’s a completely different argument from being willing to bet that Jenks is better than Soriano next year.

          • jdat11 4 years ago

            I know its a different argument, but I still think jenks is going to have a better season, and will make the contract look even worse.

          • BoSoxSam 4 years ago

            But you’re wrong, Jenks isn’t going to have a better season. He’ll have a decent season I think, but Soriano is pretty good. It’s all the other stuff attached to this deal that’s bad.

    • dickylarue 4 years ago

      I’m willing to bet Bobby Jenks is hung over more often than not in the bullpen. Teams don’t non-tender a closer and make him a free agent because they think he’s great. They do it because he’s a mess they don’t want to spend any money on. Crow about Gonzalez. Crowing about Jenks is foolish. But he’ll do great in Boston because he’ll drink with the fans and will be good in a fight.

      • z3rogs 4 years ago

        From what I’ve read, being released by the ChiSox was a wake up call for Jenks. He’s been working out with Dustin Pedroia at the Keith Poole Training Zone this winter (the first time in his career that he’s taken such an approach during the offseason).

        We’ll see if it pays dividends, but It seems like his motivation has been tweaked as he enters his age 30 season.

  22. The_Silver_Stacker 4 years ago

    *Please bear with me fellow MLBTR commentators I am still drinking* This is a surprise for me and have mixed feelings. Yankees need all the help they can get for the bullpen, but this upcoming draft class is a special one so I have no clue how to react to this. Maybe I should keep drinking

  23. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    Other than Cliff Lee there were ZERO starters that have signed that would’ve been worth it. DeLaRosa was not going to happen. Please tell me who they “missed the boat” on rather than just didn’t want? You act as if Cashman hadn’t studied the market. Believer it or not he has been able to sign more than 1 FA in an offseason with no problem. He can multi-task.

  24. ugotrpk3113 4 years ago

    I haven’t read a single post, but I can guarantee three things

    1) Random Yankee hate
    2) Random Red Sox hate (because, you know, can’t have one without the other)
    3) Random Heyman comments

  25. Guest 4 years ago

    mariano rivera….. international free agent.

    bernie williams…. same deal.

    andy pettitte… 22nd round draft pick.

    jorge posada….24th round

  26. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    I see the reasons ppl want the Yanks to hold on to their 1st rnd pick in this draft but let’s be real here. The Yanks have built one of the top 10 systems by finding good players in later rounds and by signing international free agents.

    I can’t understand this mandate that evey team must build their franchize in exactly the same way as others. To act as if THAT pick is going to be the one to set the Rays up for the next 6 years is reaching. Look at John Sickels system rankings for the Yankees. 2 of their top 10 were 1st rnd picks. The Yanks lost the 31st overall but still have the 45th as well as their 2nd, 3rd, etc. If this is indeed a deep draft then the Yanks will be able to capitalize on high risk/high rewards simply because there will be more sure things at the top 20 of this draft.

    I’d rather make this move than to trade prospects to improve the team.

    The only reservation I have is that I would think Cashman could’ve gotten Soriano for better than 3/$35 this late in the offseason market.

    • dickylarue 4 years ago

      1st round picks are highly overrated unless you pick in the top 10 every year. At 31 the Yankees would have to be very luck to even touch one of the top 20 pitchers in the draft.

  27. Ricky 4 years ago

    Now if they just had a rotation.

  28. Slopeboy 4 years ago

    You could be the Angel’s GM

  29. soxxxxx 4 years ago

    Sox offseason: Crawford, Gonzalez, Jenks. 2 First round draft picks to work with.
    Yankees offseason: Soriano, resigned Jeter/mo. 0 first round draft picks.
    Just sayin….

    • dickylarue 4 years ago

      Stupid post. The Yankees didn’t have the holes the Red Sox had to fill to begin with. That’s why the Sox had to go out and spend big. And Jenks is a drunk. He’s going to be great in Boston if you can get him off the barstool in time to pitch.

      • BoSoxSam 4 years ago

        “And Jenks is a drunk.”

        Who’s making the stupid posts now?

      • YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

        I want to “like” this – the Jenks comment. “We” will never be able to justify a move being made to Red Sox fans and we really shouldn’t even bother. We don’t have control over the good or bad moves made so “two tears in a bucket _ _ _ _ it”.

        As far as I’m concerned an improved year from AJ, some progression from Hughes and let’s hope Nova’s arm will rebound from pitching 187 IP last year. He was great in the first four innings and then seemed to tire out. If we can squeeze this from our starters….

        CC @ 230 IP and a 3.10 ERA
        AJ @ 210 IP and a 4.20 ERA
        Hughes @ 190 IP and a 3.90 ERA
        Nova @ 175 IP and a 4.40 ERA
        ????? @ 160 IP and a 4.80 ERA

        Then we can win 95 games

  30. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    2010- Valverde and Wagner
    2009-Fuentes and K-Rod

  31. fpz 4 years ago

    Is the draft really just deep in the first round?

  32. lotta money for a guy who’s only gonna pitch one inning every couple of days, but certainly improves their team. felt it a bit of an unnecessary move tho, i felt like joba had finally crossed into respectability as a pitcher where opposing fans did not smile every time he came into the game.

  33. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    They actually signed a closer a closer salary to perform the task of a set up man/closer. Would not surprise me to see Soriano rack up 10-12 saves this year.

    The move is absolutely not one of desperation. There’s an obvious lack of experience/quality at the end of the rotation and Wood has departed. Sorinao serves two purposes. He is an elite talent that can excel in the 8th inning role. He’s a viable option to rest Rivera and save some innings on his arm and his a capable back up should Mo get injured. Mo has pitched thru two seasons where he had side muscle issues.

    The only legit gripe I have is the total dollars.

    Prospects > Draft picks

    And no one had a problem trading prospects for Soria (not saying that you did).

    • BoSoxSam 4 years ago

      The desperation part is the dollars, which you mention as your only complaint. It’s my only one too for the Yanks, but it seems like a pretty big one to me that -does- sniff of desperation. Sure, the Yanks can afford it just fine. But they were bidding against themselves, knew it, and couldn’t wait to get to a reasonable contract because they were, yes, desperate. And come on. Sure this is a useful move for you, but that doesn’t deny the fact that this is just so obviously a “we’re sorry for not getting Lee” move. He’s the best FA left, and while yes you needed bullpen help, it would have been cheaper and probably just as helpful to stock up on a couple solid arms and play it safe with Soriano, making him come down to your level. Instead, Cashman went for the name value to wake up fans. Not saying its bad, but yes, this was a bit desperate.

      • MaineSox 4 years ago

        I think it speaks less to desperation and more to the fact that they, for all intents and purposes, just signed a closer and that is closer money. The truth is on most other teams Soriano would be the closer so the Yanks couldn’t just go out and sign him for set-up money.

        • BoSoxSam 4 years ago

          Okay, but I still have one question: Who are these other teams that may have been raising the price on the Yankees? Why couldn’t they have waited longer and forced Soriano to accept set-up money? It just felt to me that in a less desperate situation, NY would have done just that if they knew they were maybe the most interested out of only a few bidders, and would have worked the price down. It just seems like they overpaid for a guy that wasn’t even being hotly pursued.

          • MaineSox 4 years ago

            We don’t really know how many teams were interested or how interested the other teams were so it’s really hard to say. But there was talk about the Angels being interested in him and speculation about him going back to Tampa so it isn’t like the guy was going to get the Sheffield. They may have been able to wait until he was forced to take less money (and probably a shorter contract) but it would have been at the risk of another team coming in and signing him in the mean time.

    • z3rogs 4 years ago

      Soria > Soriano by a great degree.

  34. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    I’ve seen 5 in the last 15 years. How long will it take you to see that many for your team? Ppl say some of the dumbest things. This deal is not going to set them back. Want to see a joke? I can name you a few that haven’t seen a WS ever.

  35. Thurman8er 4 years ago

    So, who does everybody think the Angels closer is? Because if your answer is “Fernando Rodney” and you DON’T think Soriano was worth pursuing…I just don’t get it.

  36. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    I see what you’re getting at but I don’t agree that this was a “splash” move. Yanks have made plenty of those. I thought this was the right thing to do for the past few weeks. I just don’t get the dollars that’s all. If you think he was “desperate” and gave into Boras’ demands….maybe you’re right? Either way, I agree with the move and at the end of the day if you get your target and it doesn’t handcuff you then it’s not that big of a deal. Now if he threw $175 mil @ Cliff Lee then that would’ve been true desperation that would’ve had signifigant long-term effect.

    If Joba ends up being moved to the rotation then I’ll be more willing to accept the overpay for Soriano. A staff of…

    Sabathia-AJ-Hughes-Joba-Nova

    Mo-Soriano-Robertson-Feliciano-Logan-Mitre-Another RH

    Is something I would feel comfortable going into 2011 with considering our situation. Doubtful it would happen though. After all….Cashman said “Joba is staying in the pen”. And when Cashman says something then……….well I guess we should pencil in Joba as the 4th guy….haha.

  37. BoSoXaddict 4 years ago

    Saw this coming but LOL at that average salary for a SETUP guy!

  38. “SO-MO”

  39. MB923 4 years ago

    And we get kicks out of Yankee fans complaining about the Yankees signing players. They can sign a player for $13 million a year. They can sign one for $5 million a year. There’s whining either way.

    Not saying you are Patricio, but I’m on other sites and there’s all complains of “I’m not watching baseball”.

  40. MB923 4 years ago

    Well the key thing you put is “certain aspects”, but one of the most important things it keeps out is hits allowed (except HR). A pitcher who gives up a ton of hits that allows a ton of runs to score, even if he don’t walk much, isn’t a guy I’d rely on. I’m not saying ERA is the best stat, but I find it certainly MUCH better than FIP

    By the way, what is xFIP? Is it more useful?

    • MaineSox 4 years ago

      xFIP is a better stat in my opinion because it normalizes HR’s by using league average HR/FB instead of HR’s allowed, but it still is used to judge the same aspects of the game, only it tries to compensate for the park factor. Personally I like tERA, it is basically FIP + batted ball, meaning that it accounts for hits too but weights them base on how difficult they are to field (line drives are harder to field so they are weighted differently than ground balls and flyballs etc.)

      Really though, all of these stats read different things and should be used together to get the full picture of how good a pitcher is and none of them tell you enough when used by themselves.

  41. wakefield4life 4 years ago

    I love this deal for the Red Sox for a couple reasons:

    1. I can finally sleep at night knowing that the neither the tigers nor the rangers are going to give our first rounders to another team;

    2. The yanks sign a fastball righty to pitch to the red sox lefty-heavy lineup who will now look to the short porch in anticipation;

    3. The fact that the yankees would sign a flyball righty to pitch in yankee stadium at all;

    4. Cashman reminds us not only that the yankees are willing to overspend for basically anyone, but also that double-talk in the yankees head office is less of a taboo and more of a practice;

    5. The yankees spent the money bulking up their bullpen and not to places it actually mattered. Most relievers are replacement level at best. That’s not saying that Soriano falls in that category, but his WAR was 1.6. Jenks WAR was 1.5 and he got 2yr/12M. Benoit’s was 1.5 and he got 3yr/16.5M. Mo was 1.7 and even got 2yr/30M. Even Belisle’s 2.2 WAR netted him 1yr/2.35M to avoid arb. How in the world does Boras justify a 35M contract for the 16th best reliever last year (as determined by WAR) who’s WAR was almost half the #1?

    6. Not to mention all that, but Joba’s WAR was 1.4 last year. The yanks spent 35M for a .2 WAR upgrade, and in all probably will field offers for Joba now. There’s a possibility now that if Joba leaves, the yanks just spent 35M for an extra .2 WAR;

    7. Soriano has managed to stay healthy through his age 30 and 31 years, and that tommy john surgery definitely helped. How will he fair at 35?

    There’s no denying that Soriano throws some serious smoke. But it was only a couple years ago (as a set-up man, i might add) that he was still having location issues with the Braves. His FB speeds now so it’s not too much of an issue, but when it starts dropping a couple mphs, he’s going to get hittable again.

    • slider32 4 years ago

      None of that matters in the real world. If the Sox are losing in the 8th againsn’t the Yanks this year. How have they done againsn’t Soriano in the past is what you should be looking at, the rest is all speculation!

  42. Yanks seem to have bid against themselves here again. Borass is a master at making a team think if they don’t give max dollars for a guy RIGHT NOW they’ll miss out on him.

    That said, this is good insurance for Mo. The guy is a machine but I can’t imagine that at some point he won’t break down. If he does, and Soriano is closing he won’t opt out.

    The bullpen looks pretty good. I agree with some other posters that they may try to move Joba now in a package for a starter. I’m not going to argue what his value is, but we’ve seen it many times where a team goes after a guy with a live arm and control problems thinking a change of scenery or a new pitching coach will get him straightened out. I’m sure he wouldn’t be the main piece in the deal, but I believe teams would be interested in him, and the Yanks don’t seem to have a need for his services any longer.

  43. TwinsVet 4 years ago

    Way to bid against yourself, Cashman.

    If you’re going to invest huge money and a top pick (in an awesome draft class, no less), why not make a play for Soria?

    The Yankees front office bordering on incompetence…

  44. 0bsessions 4 years ago

    The next CBA wouldn’t go into effect until the 2012 season, so he would still be subject to the Type A/B rules next offseason.

    • MaineSox 4 years ago

      Unless I’m mistaken I believe it would actually go into effect after the ’11 season meaning that the ’11-’12 off-season is unsure at this point. I read somewhere (can’t recall where) that teams are under the assumption that the ’11-’12 off-season would be grandfathered and free agent compensation would still be in effect but they aren’t sure.

  45. NYC10022 4 years ago

    Okay…all of this back and forth, so I feel I have to throw my $.02 in. This is a good move, albeit with some risk, but without risk there is usually little reward.

    1. This is solid insurance for Mo and makes the bullpen stronger. Starters now have to basically go 6 innings.

    2. The $ had to be here. Don’t think for a minute that Soriano wasn’t going to get 3/$30 million deal to close somewhere (Angels…I’m looking at you). So to get a top 5-6 closer to be your set-up man costs another $1-2 million a year.

    3. The opt-outs…again, not a big deal. If you signed him for 3 years without the opt-outs and he got hurt the Yankees are on the hook for the remaining years. No difference here and you weren’t going to get him for less than 3 years anyway. Which bring us to…

    4. The draft pick. You give up the 31st pick in this year’s deep draft so that you don’t have to give up prospects during the year for a RP. Yes, it’s a deep draft, but it is still the 31st pick. Those people talking about Jeter being a 1st round pick don’t get it. He was the #6 pick. The Rays should be good. They had a top 5 pick for 10 years running. Which brings us to…

    5. If he leaves after 2011 (and he very well might), the Yankees got 1 big year out of him for some $ and a pick and they will then have 2 picks for the next draft. I know this could change will the CBA, but again, you have to take some risks.

    6. Also, since you don’t have too much use for a #5 starter until May, if Pettitte does decide to come back in early May the Yankees rotation will be very strong.

    7. Based on injuries and BABIP, expect bounce-back years of varying degrees from Tex, Jeter, A-Rod, Posada, Granderson + similar production from Gardner and Cano + some regression from Swish and more offesnse out of the C position with Martin/Montero. And…

    8. Finally, the Yankees have a number of very good players who can help out as 2011 rolls on. Their farm system is stacked like it hasn’t been since Bernie, Jeter, Posada, Mo and Pettitte were there. The future looks bright. Let’s see how the games play out.

    • if he has a good year and opts out, then they get picks towards a weaker draft and they lose out on a relief pitcher who pitched well for them.

      It’s lose-lose.

    • if he has a good year and opts out, then they get picks towards a weaker draft and they lose out on a relief pitcher who pitched well for them.

      It’s lose-lose.

  46. ltdibo020 4 years ago

    Now we may see a package for Carmona…I seen one deal like…joba, noeis and adams for carmona…this may be tempting for the Indians…2 young arms with small salaries and a good solid second base prospect…hmmm…this soriano signing helps the yanks as it may set up a deal that may be in the works already…we wil see…if not Joba may see some starting time again…you never know with a 25 yr old who has 3 years under his belt now. (plus playoff experience in the ny pressure cooker) Give him a shot at that 4th spot and let him pitch…Pettite may be back in June…or we get duscherer…Point is I don’t think the yanks are done yet!!! I agree with Kickmeinthe nads…also I’m not as down on Joba as some people on here..I don’t like giving up on 25yr olds that have live arms like he has..

  47. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    Soria IS better than Soriano but is Soria going to excel that much MORE than Soriano that he would be worth giving up a more scarce asset like 3 or 4 Yankee top prospects?NO!

  48. YanksFanSince78 4 years ago

    Soriano won’t be a Yankee at age 35 so what’s your point? He will be 33 at the end the 2013 season, if he stays for all 3 years.

    For his career, lefties have hit .229/.296/.392. In 2010, they hit .196/.263/.327. And while it’s a small sample size, a different park and a different lineup, Agonz has gone 0 for 6 vs Soriano with 4 strike outs in their matchups. He’s .000/.000/.000. So let’s not salavate too soon, shall we?

  49. slider32 4 years ago

    Soriano was the right move at this time. It shortens the game as the Rays did last year. The Sox were trying to do the same thing adding Jenks and Wheeler. The interesting thing is going to be the 5th starter and Montero. There are not that many A prospects in the minors, and he could make an impact the way Posey or Bumgardner did last year.

  50. I seriously doubt the Yankees are done making moves this winter like some Red Sox fans are saying.

  51. elbaumel 4 years ago

    Never understood what the big deal was about losing a 31st round pick. 1: It’s not like it’s the 1st pick of the draft & 2: They have a supp. pick because they lost Vazquez

  52. elbaumel 4 years ago

    Never understood what the big deal was about losing a 31st round pick. 1: It’s not like it’s the 1st pick of the draft & 2: They have a supp. pick because they lost Vazquez

  53. tdot32 4 years ago

    waste of money.

  54. Sometimes things are just better left unsaid.

  55. Rob NY 4 years ago

    Translation: “Ask me no questions and I’ll tell you no lies. What? Will I waste my first round draft pick on a 31 year old reliever? No. Unequivocally, I will not.”

  56. Rob NY 4 years ago

    Translation: “Ask me no questions and I’ll tell you no lies. What? Will I waste my first round draft pick on a 31 year old reliever? No. Unequivocally, I will not.”

  57. Rob NY 4 years ago

    Translation: “Ask me no questions and I’ll tell you no lies. What? Will I waste my first round draft pick on a 31 year old reliever? No. Unequivocally, I will not.”

  58. mwagner26 4 years ago

    I like your style.

  59. ryankrol 4 years ago

    That’s a joke right?

  60. riffwaffle 4 years ago

    cant wait til u remember you said that in october,wheb rafie blows game and yankees chances…woo woooo

  61. riffwaffle 4 years ago

    cant wait til u remember you said that in october,wheb rafie blows game and yankees chances…woo woooo

  62. BoSoxSam 4 years ago

    You gotta get to the 7th inning first though

  63. Ferrariman 4 years ago

    but bard is setting up.

  64. i like my style too

    thanks brah

  65. LifeLongYankeeFan 4 years ago

    That’s a pretty damn good bullpen at least on paper have to wait and see how the season plays out. I guess Cashman felt I got to do something to make the fans happy but Soriano is good.

  66. It is if you hate both franchises.

  67. YourBase 4 years ago

    Don’t discourage him with your “facts.”

  68. Guest 4 years ago

    whats more idiotic is calling this move desperate when your team clearly was more desperate.

  69. crc81 4 years ago

    no longer like your style due to the use of ‘brah’

  70. …..damn it

  71. …..damn it

  72. …..damn it

  73. Both were desperate this off-season, they wasted millions. There.

  74. Both were desperate this off-season, they wasted millions. There.

  75. I’d say adding elite level talent is not desperate, but “good business.” If you can afford it, why not?

  76. I’d say adding elite level talent is not desperate, but “good business.” If you can afford it, why not?

  77. monster55 4 years ago

    The Yanks were aaaaaaaalso in the ALCS last year with essentially the same team minus Pettitte plus Soriano. The Angels are… what, exactly?

  78. monster55 4 years ago

    The Yanks were aaaaaaaalso in the ALCS last year with essentially the same team minus Pettitte plus Soriano. The Angels are… what, exactly?

  79. MaineSox 4 years ago

    That’s silly.

  80. Rob NY 4 years ago

    Ignorant Angry Comment #1.

  81. Rob NY 4 years ago

    Ignorant Angry Comment #1.

  82. Seething, rage-filled hateful comment #2.

  83. Seething, rage-filled hateful comment #2.

  84. East Coast Bias 4 years ago

    *Insert angry comment #2 here

    Seriously though, I can’t figure you out… are you a Yankees fan? At times, I think you are, and at others, you are not. Explain yourself, mister!

  85. East Coast Bias 4 years ago

    *Insert angry comment #2 here

    Seriously though, I can’t figure you out… are you a Yankees fan? At times, I think you are, and at others, you are not. Explain yourself, mister!

  86. East Coast Bias 4 years ago

    *Insert angry comment #2 here

    Seriously though, I can’t figure you out… are you a Yankees fan? At times, I think you are, and at others, you are not. Explain yourself, mister!

  87. Rob NY 4 years ago

    I’m a Yankee fan and this signing makes me sick, not happy. Soriano is a good pitcher, but 12m a year and a first round pick to a division rival? Seriously?

  88. Rob NY 4 years ago

    I’m a Yankee fan and this signing makes me sick, not happy. Soriano is a good pitcher, but 12m a year and a first round pick to a division rival? Seriously?

  89. vtadave 4 years ago

    Just please don’t follow up the use of “brah” with a reference to someone being a “tool”. “Ass-hat” is ok though.

  90. East Coast Bias 4 years ago

    I’m with you man… Losing that draft pick, especially to the Rays, hurts.

  91. East Coast Bias 4 years ago

    I’m with you man… Losing that draft pick, especially to the Rays, hurts.

  92. East Coast Bias 4 years ago

    I’m with you man… Losing that draft pick, especially to the Rays, hurts.

  93. JohnKruksWaistline 4 years ago

    Or just valid. The Yankees are in a better position than the Angels. If you want to account for division, maybe that changes…maybe…but the only thing that sounds defensive is highlighting what the Yankees need whilst not acknowledging what the Angels need.

  94. fivepoint0 4 years ago

    You’re right, let’s just skip the season and give the Phillies the title.

  95. MB923 4 years ago

    Thought he was a Red Sox fan lol

  96. MaineSox 4 years ago

    It’s become a reflex.

  97. bjsguess 4 years ago

    Soriano was a luxury for the Angels. Unlike Beltre (where there was a need), we didn’t need to spend $12m/year on Soriano.

    Look, he will help any team. However, is he that much more valuable that Scott Downs? Over the last 4 years they have pitched almost the exact same amount of innings giving up close to the same amount of runs (Downs has a few more innings and a few less runs). Soriano has more upside but carries a larger risk with injury. He also costs 60% more.

    The value for Soriano comes in his ability to close (or at least that’s why you pay him the big bucks). Unfortunately, the Yankees are one of a handful of clubs where he will be the 2nd best closer on the 25 man roster. I don’t hate the move for the Yankees since they have money to burn and Soriano is very good. However, as an Angels fan there are a lot of better ways to drop $12m/year than on a luxury like Soriano.

  98. $1529282 4 years ago

    Or it’s a senseless waste of a first round pick. Soriano is a great reliever with a huge injury history, so one of two things happen:

    1. He has a fantastic, healthy year, and opts out to look for a multiyear deal again.
    2. He gets hurt yet again and stays on board for another $11M and pitches with questionable health through the second year.

    Then, one of two things happen after Year #2:

    1. He has a fantastic, healthy year, and opts out to look for a multiyear deal again.
    2. He gets hurt yet again and stays on board for another $13.5M and pitches with questionable health through the second year.

    Why on Earth would any Yankees fan be short-sighted enough to be happy with this deal? It’s horrible. Soriano has all the power and if he pitches well you just gave up a first rounder (to your division rival) and $11.5M for 60 innings of relief.

  99. MaineSox 4 years ago

    A team with 5 starting pitchers.

    The Yankees are still a better team on paper but are also in a much tougher division which not only means they face tougher teams but also likely have to have a better record to make it to the post season. The Rangers won that division last season with a 90-72 record, which was essentially the same record the Sox had and the Sox were 3rd in their division and sitting at home in October.

  100. gianthinker 4 years ago

    hater

  101. monster55 4 years ago

    And your response smacked of smugness. I’m not quite sure I get what you’re point is.

    And suggesting all those teams have improved is comical. The O’s? The A’s? The Angels? Are they going to be competing for the World Series?

    As for referencing 2010, it was a year of baseball that actually happened. Not a hypothetical like predicting “non-crap years from the rest of the regulars” on the Angels. The Yankees pitching staff last year was horrible- it had Javy Vasquez, the worst year of AJ Burnett’s career, and the very beginning of Ivan Nova’s. It also didn’t have a lot of Andy Pettitte because of injuries. If Pettitte makes a mid-season return and Burnett is better at all (he can’t be worse), then why should the Yankees pitching be any worse? And this from a team that made the ALCS last year? They improved their bullpen and got a good defensive catcher. Of course, *hypothetically*, all of their old players could break down and they could finish in last place behind the Sox, O’s, Jays, and Rays.

  102. Fangaffes 4 years ago

    As we saw last year, you need at least two guys capable of setup or you run that one guy into the ground.

  103. monster55 4 years ago

    I’ll trade the O’s “improvement” for the Rays decline. And I really don’t think the A’s or Angels improved anything worthwhile. I mean, what, Hideki Matsui?

  104. Slopeboy 4 years ago

    I’m talking Yankees Dollars

  105. monster55 4 years ago

    So 5 starting pitchers will turn an 80 win team into a division winner? And will also magically turn the Yankees from ALCS contenders into spectators during the playoffs? The Yanks had Javy Vazquez, a horrible AJ Burnett, and Ivan Nova pitching many games last year.

  106. MaineSox 4 years ago

    No the 5 starting pitchers comment was a joke because to this point only 4 spots are certain in the Yankees rotation.

    The rest of what I said, if you really read it, was not talking about the Angels being better than the Yankees (I actually expressly said they were not) only that they don’t have to be as good as the Yankees to make the post-season because the Yankees have a much harder road to the playoffs.

  107. MaineSox 4 years ago

    Screw that, can I get the powerball #’s?

  108. FrankTheFunkasaurusRex 4 years ago

    and I’ll take the RSox rotation over the Yanks Rotation. EVERY FRICKING DAY

  109. MB923 4 years ago

    “the rays! expect to hear from them again bigtime in about 4 years”

    Only if they make the playoffs, we would hear from them.

  110. dickylarue 4 years ago

    And in 2013 Price will be starting for the Yankees when he hits free agency so the loss of picks won’t matter.

  111. bjsguess 4 years ago

    Need at 3rd? Last check you paid $96m to upgrade a position where you already had a capable player. Looking at WAR (which includes defense) you can count on about ONE extra win going between Young to Beltre. Now you have Young playing out of position at 1st base (where his bat plays a lot worse).

    Signing Beltre served one purpose and one purpose only – to keep him away from other AL West clubs. Those types of signings – especially when they are of the $100m variety tend not to work out real well in the long-run.

    BTW – the Webb deal was nice. No downside to that. If Hamilton and Cruz stay healthy. If Lewis and CJ repeat 2010. And if you can scrape together another 3 starters from that stable of young talent then the Rangers are in a good position to repeat. However, that’s an awful lot of “ifs”.

  112. Young’s Bat plays extremely well at 1B after the rangers 2010 year at 1st…
    young will be above average defender at 1st in my opinion, he has the scoop just no range factor which isnt as huge at 1st…

    if they played young at 1st and signed Vlad to a cheap deal to DH when he plays 1st you look like this..

    Andrus SS
    Young 1B
    Beltre 3B
    Cruz RF
    Kinsler 2B
    Vlad DH
    Tortebella C
    Murphy LF

    That is stacked…
    your talking about your catcher batting 250 being your worst then Murphy being the “weak” hitter with 291/358/449 with an OPS over 800?

    i think that plays as about the best offense in the game right?

  113. Babawhitesox 4 years ago

    Why would you drink it by the glass? By the bottle!!!

  114. danks50 4 years ago

    He’s not even close to free agency in 2013.

  115. RedSoxDynasty 4 years ago

    You can’t talk about the best offense in the game without mentioning the Red Sox!

  116. TexasReds 4 years ago

    dude…where’s Hamilton?

  117. I think he was the liar. Cashman had no intentions of signing Soriano until he read Heyman’s tweet about it, then thought to himself, “you know what, if Heyman said it it must be a good idea.”.

  118. slider32 4 years ago

    Yanks offense is the best, most runs!

  119. The_Silver_Stacker 4 years ago

    It was obviously a bluff to get the media to back off

  120. NYC10022 4 years ago

    It’s not assuming that everything will go right. It is expecting that, despite the strong offensive year the Yankees had last year, they actually had a number of people have off-years due to luck. It should be expected that much of that luck will turn back to historical/average performance, especially when you look at things like BABIP.

  121. slider32 4 years ago

    Ditto Sox last 80yrs.

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