East Notes: Tanaka, Red Sox, Mets, Braves, Chavez

The Red Sox would benefit most strongly if Masahiro Tanaka were to not be posted, Tim Britton of the Providence Journal writes. If Tanaka were to stay in Japan, not only would he not go to the Yankees, but prices for other starters (such as Ervin Santana and Matt Garza) would rise, and so would the value of the Red Sox's own pitchers, such as John Lackey, Ryan Dempster and Jake Peavy. Also, if Tanaka were to be posted next offseason, the Red Sox might actually bid for him. Right now, they don't have a need. Here are more notes from the East divisions.


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93 Comments on "East Notes: Tanaka, Red Sox, Mets, Braves, Chavez"


alphabet_soup5
1 year 7 months ago

Was Colby Rasmus’ father included in the trade proposal?

Jaysfan724
1 year 7 months ago

We’re still making jokes about this? His father has not been a problem once in Toronto, and has barely been spoken about.

randytherobot
1 year 7 months ago

Cardinals fans are very slow.

Teufelshunde4
1 year 7 months ago

No Cards fans have long memories for players who behave like idots and insult the fan base.

dc21892
1 year 7 months ago

I don’t see how Boston doesn’t have a need for a potential ace. You make it a priority if he becomes available. For
20M, that’s nothing for them. If they fail to strike a deal after that so be it, but they at least have to bid.

alphabet_soup5
1 year 7 months ago

For what it’s worth, most people see Tanaka as a #2 starter at best and not an ace. Maybe Boston feels sour after the whole Dice-K thing.

Mike LaRose
1 year 7 months ago

Why would they need a “potential ace”? Their rotation is quite strong .

dc21892
1 year 7 months ago

I’m not doubting the rest of the rotation, I’m just saying for a pitcher with his talent, you have to at least bid for his services.

Mike LaRose
1 year 7 months ago

I’m not so sure, my understanding is that they could bid for him then then the player can choose. Say he chooses the Sox, they spend 20 million to talk to him even though they don’t need a guy who may or may not be a good major leaguer. Sure they can bid, but should they?

dc21892
1 year 7 months ago

Yes because it’s only 20M. If he chooses them, and can’t agree to fair terms what’s the harm? Absolutely none. You can never have enough pitching. If he’s any good, and chances are he’s not terrible, it would be well worth the risk IMO.

Bob George
1 year 7 months ago

Only the team that signs him pays the posting fee. Every team could bid $20 mil and still only one would pay that, and only if he signs.

DiaperRauch
1 year 7 months ago

Why wouldn’t a team want to improve? They have the payroll flexibility to do it, there isn’t really a downside.

Mike LaRose
1 year 7 months ago

Because he could be bad, he hasn’t pitched in the majors so who knows what you’re going to get

MaineSox
1 year 7 months ago

Yeah, I’m 99% certainly they’ll post a bid, so they can at least talk to him. There’s really no reason not to post a bid since it doesn’t require you to actually pay anything unless you actually sign the player.

Bryan
1 year 7 months ago

As a mets fan, I’d rather have izturis than quintania but both aren’t that good…

Matt Galvin
1 year 7 months ago

I would say Red Sox for Rasmus but might not want to Trade SP in Divison.

zeles
1 year 7 months ago

Someone please take Ryan Dempster off our hands.

Runtime
1 year 7 months ago

If Rasmus+Prospects is the cost of getting a #2 pitcher…
I’d rather take my chances with a rotation of RAD, Buerhle, Morrow, Happ, and Rogers.

Jaysfan724
1 year 7 months ago

Yeah I’m interested to see who Colby is actually going to net. He had a strong year this year. Very funny how before this past year it was “trade Rasmus he stinks, Gose is the future” now the roles are reversed in the eyes of the casual Jays fan.

Mike Babiak
1 year 7 months ago

So true! I’d rather give away Gose… but what if Rasmus walks.. maybe get something for him now while his value is as high as it is.

Jaysfan724
1 year 7 months ago

I don’t know. I know it’s always a possibility, but as I mentioned above, he has finally found comfort in Toronto, I think he would be willing to sign an extension if the proper deal was offered.

DiaperRauch
1 year 7 months ago

Why not keep the depth? Bautista/Melky/Rasmus are all candidates to spend time on the DL in 2014, I’d rather have Gose ready in Buffalo.

BadBJay
1 year 7 months ago

Fans had every right to be hard on Rasmus. Finally, he produced. Getting Gose playing time is hard to do – especially when he has a weak bat.

John Meloche
1 year 7 months ago

Hutchison might be an option… Stroman appears to be ready and has been getting glowing reviews… Nolin might be a back of the rotation guy… The Jays have depth too with Drabek, Romero (if he can find himself)

Still I think they need 1 more SP they can count on but I don’t want to see them sell Stroman or Sanchez at this point.

Jaysfan724
1 year 7 months ago

Yeah after watching Stroman in the AFL I really want to see him in the majors. Jays also got Redmond too who put up fair numbers and there are rumors of McGowan being stretched out…and I guess we have Jenkins too for what he’s worth. Upgrade is definitely preferable, but the Jays have the depth.

John Meloche
1 year 7 months ago

I think they have a great potential #2-3 in Stroman and awesome that he was so undervalued due to his size. This offseason the tone has changed and people are seeing his potential.

BadBJay
1 year 7 months ago

Didn’t Stroman get suspended for PED use at the end of this season? That’s why he wasn’t available as a call up.

Jaysfan724
1 year 7 months ago

That was 2012…and it wasn’t even anything bad, just a supplement that contained something on the banned list.

BadBJay
1 year 7 months ago

OK, my bad.

John Meloche
1 year 7 months ago

the Jays 40 man was also a mess, I think they wanted to keep him off of it until 2014

John Meloche
1 year 7 months ago

2012 and part of 2013… he was not on the 40 man

DiaperRauch
1 year 7 months ago

It was a nasal decongestant, but yes he was suspended for it.

Jaysfan724
1 year 7 months ago

Side Fact: He paid off his mother’s mortgage with some of his signing money.

Gotta respect that.

John Meloche
1 year 7 months ago

Ya saw that Instavideo… he is pretty cool… just got a nice tattoo! Good follow on twitter/instagram

Jaysfan724
1 year 7 months ago

Yeah I’m a fan of the rapper Mike Stud who was his teammate at Duke and he put Stroman in one of his music videos. Probably would have gone pro too if he didn’t have to get Tommy John.

BadBJay
1 year 7 months ago

Sign Santana… Ervin or Johan.

BadBJay
1 year 7 months ago

Morrow will get on the DL by May. Happ and Rogers are totally unreliable.

Runtime
1 year 7 months ago

Morrow being on the DL again is my worst nightmare.
Just looking at my Morrow t-jersey makes me sad because I bought it the day before he hurt his oblique 2 years ago

John Meloche
1 year 7 months ago

Morrow is great except he is so fragile… I think you only plan on him pitching like 15 games and anything more is a bonus

BadBJay
1 year 7 months ago

someone needs to tell Morrow that “less is more”… and he should be in the pen.

John Meloche
1 year 7 months ago

He was with Seattle… He is just really good which is why he was moved to a SP… however if he has another injury filled year he could eventually find his way back to the pen… that being said no guarantee he stays healthy there either.

DiaperRauch
1 year 7 months ago

It’s tough as an organization to put a guy who accumulated 10 WAR over 3 years as a starter in the bullpen. If there were alternatives to him starting, I could see the idea being entertained, but Morrow represents the best chance of winning relative to most pitchers within the Jays organization.

George Vander Buist
1 year 7 months ago

No Happ, Maybe not Rogers. I don’t want to see Happ, I’d prefer Stroman immediately over him. Or Hutchison, Drabek, Redmond…all are better, some just marginally, but all are better

DiaperRauch
1 year 7 months ago

Drabek is not better than Happ. Happ isn’t very good, but he still has a much larger, and better pedigree of pitching at the major league level. Drabek is the worse pitcher, and it’s not close.

Mike Babiak
1 year 7 months ago

I’d tend to agree. Especially considering that his WAR was higher than Adam Jones’ last year. That’s saying something.

DiaperRauch
1 year 7 months ago

Adam Jones is one of the more over-rated players in the game. His defensive ratings are pretty underwhelming, his plate discipline is awful, and his numbers reflect that.

He stays healthy, has good power, and can run. He’s best-suited to be a RF going forward, and I’m skeptical as to how he’ll age into his post-prime given his approach.

Blanketsburg
1 year 7 months ago

If the Sox would eat a few $MM in the deal, could a Dempster-for-Rasmus deal make sense for both teams?

randytherobot
1 year 7 months ago

Lol no. Lester/Rasmus is pretty fair.

Blanketsburg
1 year 7 months ago

I know that Rasmus is more valuable than Dempster, but no way is he worth Lester’s value.

DiaperRauch
1 year 7 months ago

Lester put up 4.3 WAR in 2013, Rasmus put up 4.8. Steamer projects Lester to put up 3.3 WAR in 2014, and expects Rasmus to put up 3.3 WAR as well. Oliver projects Lester at 3.4, and Rasmus at 3.2, They are pretty well exact matches in terms of value and they’re both free agents at the end of the year.

BadBJay
1 year 7 months ago

Sure. We’ll add Joey Bats as a throw-in. No no no, EE would make the deal more enticing for the Sox.

Brendon K
1 year 7 months ago

Rasmus was one of the most valuable CF in baseball las year….are you kidding with this proposal?!

Blanketsburg
1 year 7 months ago

I guess I underestimated Rasmus’ power number this past season. He’s still a career .248 hitter, but I get that he is clearly the more valuable player of the two.

DiaperRauch
1 year 7 months ago

Batting average tells us next to nothing as to how effective Rasmus was during his at-bats at producing runs and avoiding outs, which is what the goal is.

Jay Sanders
1 year 7 months ago

Ryan Dempster is 37 years old, makes $15 mil and has a 4.87 ERA over the past year and a half. So no.

John Meloche
1 year 7 months ago

Colby finally blossoms so naturally we should trade him.

BadBJay
1 year 7 months ago

I agree, he improved. But I just don’t see him being “a winner”. More like a JD Drew type. Never living up to the promise/hype. Doesn’t hurt to shop around. But if they are thinking of replacing him with Gose, it won’t be a popular decision.

Jaysfan724
1 year 7 months ago

I think what you saw with Colby this year is probably what you will get…and I am pretty content with that. He was a lot more patient at the plate this year. I think he has finally found comfort in Toronto…for his benefit, getting traded again would probably impact him.

John Meloche
1 year 7 months ago

totally agree, he seems to be a mental guy… meaning having mental peace is what he needs and I think he found that with the Jays.

John Meloche
1 year 7 months ago

He was the 6th ranked CF in the MLB last year… Between Choo & Jones… So ya he kinda lived up to his potential last year and that was in only 118 games.

DiaperRauch
1 year 7 months ago

How do you get this “winner” status? It’s not his fault the Blue Jays starting pitching was downright terrible for much of the season. Colby goes out and does he job, and he did it pretty well relative to his peers in 2013.

BVHjays
1 year 7 months ago

You could argue it would be selling high. .357 BABIP last season and 4 of his 22 home runs came in just five games in September – when pitching quality tends to decrease.

Not saying that’s necessarily the case, he could have really figured things out and sustain something close to that production going forward. But I do understand that argument.

Jaysfan724
1 year 7 months ago

Only 118 games though…numbers would have been even greater with another 30-40 games played

BVHjays
1 year 7 months ago

That’s true too.

John Meloche
1 year 7 months ago

Its an obvious sell high… as I just pointed out below he was ranked 6th CF in WAR in only 118 games. The Jays just do not have a replacement… Gose is not a replacement at this point.

S.M. Jenkins
1 year 7 months ago

This is true. I don’t think Toronto has a readymade heir to CF.

MG83
1 year 7 months ago

You know who else could benefit if Tanaka were posted? 29 other teams.

Leonard Washington
1 year 7 months ago

Sox should still put in a bid as some suggested. Also I am totally comfortable going into the season with the extra pitching. Its not ideal flexibility wise but we have people who can hold down the IF if the season started today. Hoping Drew gets drawn out a bit and we find a way to get him to comeback.

Brendon K
1 year 7 months ago

Unfortunately Colby is another season like last year away from an 80-100mil contract…Not sure Jays will be wanting to pay that anyways…

Jaysfan724
1 year 7 months ago

That’s why you gotta lock him up now. AA took the risks with Bautista and EE, I’d be willing to do the same with Rasmus.

S.M. Jenkins
1 year 7 months ago

Really? That would make me nervous. Not saying it’s wrong or right necessarily but Rasmus’ peaks & valleys can be extreme.

Jaysfan724
1 year 7 months ago

So was offering extensions to one year wonders in Bautista and EE…it’s the risk you take. I understand you completely, extending him comes with no guarantees. I guess you could wait til the All-Star Break but his price will rise between now and then if he continues success.

DiaperRauch
1 year 7 months ago

there’s no sense in a player signing at a discount (which is what Encarnacion and Bautista did) when they’re 3 months away from free agency. It’s either you lock him up before the season, or put the QO on him and wish him good luck.

Jaysfan724
1 year 7 months ago

Edwin signed his extension 3 months away from free agency. But that was exactly my point…you do the extension now if you are going to do it.

S.M. Jenkins
1 year 7 months ago

Therein lies the rub. If Rasmus builds upon the strides that he made late last year, he’d be an absolute bargain, He plays a premium position as well & is a strong defender so that’s of note too.

Nevertheless, I don’t think I’d rush into negotiations at this time. He ended up having a nice campaign & as a fan I hope the gains are actual, but I feel it’s a riskier gambit than either Jose Bautista or Edwin Encarnacio when they were extended. Should be interesting…

BadBJay
1 year 7 months ago

If I had to guess which teams AA discussed Rasmus with… Dodgers, Giants, Mariners, and every south korean baseball team.

DiaperRauch
1 year 7 months ago

Why would the Dodgers want a 5th outfielder?

Gomez Toth
1 year 7 months ago

Izturis, who can’t run but also can’t hit…Garcia, who can’t throw but off whom I could steal second base. How can Mets fans not be weeping right now? Well, sure, weeping for the past five years, but still…

Jay Sanders
1 year 7 months ago

Why would any team even want Dempster? He’s 37 years old, making $15 mil and has a 4.87 ERA over the past year and a half.

Bob George
1 year 7 months ago

Does anyone really think that if Tanaka gets posted the Red Sox do not place a bid? They can always trade two of those 3 guys. Peavy and Dempster should be easy to trade, especially if the Red Sox are willing to pay some of their salaries.

Brent Nault
1 year 7 months ago

How about this?
Texas receives: RP Sergio Santos + CF Colby Rasmus + J.A. Happ
Toronto receives: SP Derek Holland + SP Alexi Ogando

Jeremy
1 year 7 months ago

I’d do it.

BadBJay
1 year 7 months ago

Precisely why the Rangers won’t.

DiaperRauch
1 year 7 months ago

That’s pretty light for Texas. Santos and Ogando are essentially the same thing (except Ogando has the luxury to pitch multiple innings), Colby has 1 year left before free agency, and Happ is pretty underwhelming.

That’s a definite loss of value if you’re Texas.

pft2
1 year 7 months ago

I think the Red Sox do go after Tanaka. Lackey, Dempster, and Peavy are all gone in the next 1-2 years and all have tradeable contracts. Buchholz is a bit of a question mark with his shoulder as well, and Lester will be looking for a big extension in return for 2 months of excellent pitching that followed 2 years of not so great pitching.

They have some pitching prospects but none is a certainty to be more than a #3 SP’er

Matt Talbert
1 year 7 months ago

Someone needs to sign Corey Hart I mean he’s got a good glove, can be a good clubhouse guy and a has 30 homers in his bat and on top of that comes at a discount: if I’m Pittsburgh or Miami I’m ringin this guy’s phone til I get him to ink the dotted line. I mean there is some value to be had here. And he’s not old either (what only 30 right – I mean sure he’s a slight injury risk but sooner or later he’s got to have some good luck for a change). I mean I might catch some flack for this but I’d rather have Corey Hart as compared to Trumbo (look at the cost difference). You can probably get Hart definitely for one maybe an extra year with an incentive laden mutual option and boom you basically got the same player for a little cheaper and not have to give up Skaggs+ to get him…smdh@DBacks (and yep I think he still has the ablity to play the COF or shoot you can stick him in LF if that’s where they are going to put Trumbo, I mean guys like Dunn, Gattis, and others can be placed out there)

1 year 7 months ago

Braves should convince Matt Stairs to come out of retirement and try to hit some more pinch hit hrs

Slim_Hurley
1 year 7 months ago

Curious on what the Brewers would be willing to give up for Davis if they can’t resign Hart.