With tonight's victory, the Rangers became the first AL West team to win consecutive pennants since the A's won three straight American League titles between 1988 and 1990. Here are a few news items from around the division….
- Despite recent rumors, the Rangers say there's "no way" they'll throw money at CC Sabathia this offseason, reports Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com (Twitter links). If Texas does decide to go after a starter from outside the organization, it would probably be Yu Darvish.
- "[C.J. Wilson] wants $100MM, and he's not getting that from us," a Rangers source tells Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com. The source says that if Wilson leaves Texas for free agency, Alexi Ogando and Neftali Feliz would both be converted into starting pitchers next season.
- The Angels may be close to a new television contract with FOX Sports, reports Bill Shaikin of the Los Angeles Times. A filing from Major League Baseball (in the ongoing legal case with Frank McCourt) stated that the Halos are "expected to close a new transaction" in regards to a new TV deal. Shaikin hears from sources that "no deal is imminent" but FOX and the Angels have been in negotiations. Shaikin speculates that the contract could exceed the Rangers' recent 20-year, $1.6BB TV contract with FOX.
- The Athletics were denied permission to interview Reds pitching coach Bryan Price, reports ESPN's Buster Olney (Twitter link). Price's contract in Cincinnati expires after next season.
- Athletics scouts were against the December 2005 trade of then-prospect Andre Ethier to the Dodgers for Milton Bradley, tweets Tom Krasovic of West Coast Bias.
I’ve got news for the so called source. Ogando has already been converted into a starting pitcher. Feliz should go into the rotation even if they resign CJ. They can trade Colby then.
Why would they trade Colby? He’s cheap and effective.
Exactly. Lewis staying put is a no-brainer. Converting Feliz means either Adams closes or the Rangers go after a closer this winter. I still think the Rangers will go hard after Darvish and maybe try for Fielder, while working extra hard on a long term deal with Hamilton’s agent. Wilson can go wither in NY.
no thanks . Lewis is nothing to write home about
Plenty of teams would love to have Lewis. The Twins being one of them.
exactly y hes got great trade value allowing the rangers to recieve great compensation.
By your logic, why not trade Feliz or Elvis? Both have great trade value. A team appearing in back to back World Series does not trade valuable pieces. Other way around Scott.
Because in the scenario that I outlined they would have an extra starting pitcher. If they don’t resign CJ then they can keep Colby.
no such thing as an extra starting pitcher, just ask the red sox
Of course there is. You only need 5 and if you have 6 you have an extra one. Kind of like Tommy Hunter was when they traded him.
and then what happens when you have injurys or a pitcher fails expectations ?
The same thing you did this year. You have Feldman make a start or Ramirez or Perez, or someone else from AAA. You could even sign a vereran type to pitch at AAA for emergencies. You might even be able to bring up whoever you get in trade for Colby.
1. Ramirez and Perez need at minimum another half season of work. They should get another full season in the minors.
2. You would not get a quality starter for Colby that could come in and pitch.
Ramirez and Perez would be available to come up for an emergency start. You don’t know what they could get for Colby at this point. What did Oakland have to give up for Moscoso? There are minor league pitchers available in trade who could come up. Besides, who was our sixth starter last year when we broke camp. Bush? The sixth starter next year would be just as good as him in my scenario. Feldman would be much better than Bush. So would our best AAA pitcher.
given the return, and the uncertainty behind feliz’s switch to the rotation and innings limit, seems a lot more practical to just keep colby
Exactly….should the Rays trade David Price because they have Matt Moore?
There is no such thing as too many starting pitchers. Just ask the Reds, Reds Sox, etc.
No, but they’re probably going to trade James Shields.
That’s ridiculous. Having six starting pitchers doesn’t mean you have “an extra one.” The Red Sox looked to have 6-7 good SPs going into the season, and look how that worked out.
It makes sense to trade a SP from depth if you have large holes to fill on offense, but that is not the case for the Rangers, who scored the 3rd-most runs in baseball this season. And if they lose CJ Wilson, even if they have six SPs, they can’t consider that as a position of depth because of all the question marks they’d have concerning at least three spots in that rotation.
The Red Sox did not have 6-7 “good” SPs going into the season.
Good luck getting anywhere near that amount after your pathetic postseason, C.J.
Somebody will still give it to him. All it takes is one team.
The Nationals will
Good point. The Nationals have money to spend, are getting sneaky good, and they’re mostly a young team. Imagine the leap they’d make with one more good bat and a rotation headed by Strasburg, Wilson, and Zimmermann. Then add Bryce Harper and Anthony Rendon to that team in 2013.
That’s what I’m thinking too.
Wasn’t that hard for the big guy (that’s what she said)
wait..the a’s regret trading one of their prospects? who woulda thought..
Not surprised a comment like that coming from a person with a name like your yours..
sorta like how the Giants regret trading Joe Nathan and Francisco Liriano.
thats one trade..a’s are mlb’s farm system..but im sure you take pride in that as a a’s fan
I liked C.J. But come on why the heck do a choke job when it matters the most? if he prefers the west cost, it’s idiotic for him to think he’ll get that from the dodgers, he don’t like Oakland’s mound nor their fans, so good luck trying a new team Christopher John.
“why the heck do a choke job” less commenting on websites, more practicing logical thought processes.
It should give us money to spend.
Looking forward to seeing CJ leave. You might remember that Feliz was the best pitcher in Training camp but we had to make the decision to move him to the bullpen because we lacked depth.
Feliz’s arm was tired for much of the beginning of the season due to him starting all of spring training. He even said that. I don’t buy him as a starter for us.
Please leave CJ. Don’t let Feliz’s abilities be squandered. Let the Rangers make him a SP.
You might remember that Felix was the best pitcher in training camp but they had to put him in the bullpen becasue of depth issues. Feliz I feel will have more success as a starting pitcher than CJ Wilson. We also have Martin Perez coming up in a few years and the lerking Yu Darvish scenrio might be happening. Rangers aren’t scared to spend money they just will not with CJ. To emotional of a pitcher to spend that kind of money.
I’m sure Feliz and his 1 pitch will last a whole season startiing.
runs above average per 100 pitches
feliz 2009-2011
fastball 1.7
slider 3.73
curveball 1.28
changeup 0.24
ogando 2010 (before converting)
fastball 2.01
slider -.03
changeup -.19
c.j. wilson 2009 (before converting)
fastball 0.80
slider 0.20
cutter 0.51
curveball 2.23
changeup -2.25
Nice work.
You don’t know much about Feliz, do you? I guess you didn’t know about the other three pitches – slider, changeup, curve – he throws pretty well. You probably just overlooked the fact that if closers command their fastball well with movement, then they aren’t usually asked to throw other pitches. I suppose you forgot about Alexi Ogando, who only throws two pitches and had a pretty good year as a starter. It’s cool. We’ll give you a pass on all those.
Wilson is 30 years old, has only been a starter for two years—and wants over $100Mil? What’s he smokin?
Wilson is the biggest as____ I’ve ever met. The guy is simply better than everyone else. Thats how comes off and he does it with his nose in the air. FK CJ Wilson
Youve never met John Lackey i see!
I have a feeling Joe has seen plenty of Lackey. As Angels fans, we know Lackey all too well.
CJ Wilson = John Lackey = AJ Burnett. A #2 pitcher but the “best available free agent” asking for #1 money. Lets see who hasn’t been paying attention and gives it to him.
Never liked him as an Angel. Just a big baby. I’m glad he’s gone!
I live in Boston, so I guess I can go down to the local pub and find him there drinking
I have. I met him at the Goat Hill Tavern in Newport Beach, CA. I don’t know about you but I was able to talk with him for quite a while. Jered Weaver was right there and wasn’t talking to anyone. Scot Shields was all over the place. Napoli of course was chugging a pitcher behind the bar. I’ll bet CJ is a bigger @$$ than John.
you seriously met CJ?
probably not.. and from what i’ve seen cj looks like a pretty nice guy and pretty funny
He’s not. He’s a self centered as____
Yup, I was in Amsterdam he was there with some friends and I had my Angels hat on so I went up to him and he was a complete jerk TO EVERYONE! Just a stuck up, dude. Just look at his interviews on TV. I was pretty stoned though so, I didnt care at the time
He’d be a nice fit with the Yankees, which is where I think he’ll end up.
As an Angel fan, I’ve been waiting 2yrs for this FOX deal. Arte beter sign Fielder this offseason
Why? What happens to Trumbo? Don’t forget Morales is returning. The outfield is full, and don’t forget that the Angels still have Abreu.
Abreu sucks and will not be an everyday starter and might even get traded.
Morales isnt coming back. He still can’t run and cut so his career is probably over
Trumbo isnt a 1B or a 3B, he’s a RF/LF
And finally, the Angels need a star bat. That’s all that’s been missing between the Angels and everyone else who makes the playoffs on a year to year bases. Tha Angels need power and trumbo isnt the answer.
Trumbo isn’t the answer but he will help that huge bat when it comes to anaheim
you do realize that Trumbo had an OBP below .300 this season
yes I think it was 260-255 or something like that. I don’t think Trumbo is as good as most of these deluded Angel fans think
that’s been the same case ever since they wimped out on pulling off a trade for Miggy Cabrera
i think the Angels (fans and front office) should do their best to try and forget that they have Bobby Abreu
Too bad they can’t ask him to retire now to become the new hitting coach. I think Abreu would make a fine hitting coach. Plus, I’m sure Angel fans would be happy with Hatcher out of the coaching staff.
Angels got Busy ever since season ended.. GOT TO TO LOVE IT! Hopefully Halos get some Money to spend
they have had money to spend, just havn’t done it wisely
As I watch the ALCS, I just hope that for every hit Napoli and Beltre get this postseason, that Mr. Moreno, Scioscia, and Reagins all feel it like a punch to the stomach. I’m sorry, but if I hear the commentators refer to Napoli as “Mini-Babe Ruth” one more time, I’m going to throw up myself.
There There….Go Rangers
Wow… the Tigers were just hopelessly outclassed in this series.
When they lost with verlander on the mound it took away their only real advantage … They win game 1 and they at least see a game 7
I thought the andre either trade was just Beane’s way of a parting gift to his pupil, Paul Depodesta.
Woo hoo! GO RANGERS!
Good to see also that the latest update to this rumor confirmed what I said earlier about the Rangers going for Darvish over CC.
Yea, but this is just something that a writer said might happen…it has no creedence to it.
The link to Bryan Price isn’t the right guy…just sayin’
Ugh, Rangers in the World Series again. Sucks…
Do what I’m doing. Root for the NL team.
I only want the brewers to win
I lived in Missouri for a while so I’m rooting for the Cards now because they’re high in my hierarchy of teams to root for.
lol it would be funny to see Brewers and their brutal defense make it to the WS. I bet tons of casual fans would get a kick out of watching them boot the ball all over the infield in the spotlight.
Good idea. But Texas is pretty high on my hierarchy of teams I hate haha. Don’t worry, you’re still number one <3
“root, root, root for the Cubbies!”
Hmmm..it seems half the people in this conversation like the Rangers and half of you dont..That means half of you are stupid.
Discuss.
I’d offer CJ 5 for $85M and if he says no then good luck, cya later. CJ is a #2 and i’d rather have darvish for the next 6 years for the same amount. He’s going to be an ace in this league and is only 25 instead of 31.
a) no real clue how darvish is going to translate to the bigs
b) with posting fees, its going to cost a lot more than 85 mill for darvish
Look at how the Kenshin Kawakami experiment worked out for the Braves. KK was supposed to be this #2 type starter from Japan and got shelled over here because he couldn’t or wouldn’t make the transition. He ended up in AA and missed the rest of the season even there. Not all Japanese pitchers make it when they get here, that’s my only concern for the Rangers.
Only reliever types, to my recent memory anyway, have any success here. Starters seem to never really become the aces or effective pitchers we hope for them to be.
Am I reading that correctly? 20 year 1.6 billion? as in 80 million a year for the next 20 years? The rangers better not ever have trouble extending players, kinsler, hamilton, napoli, andrus ever again or signing free agents..Price, CC…if they have an extra 80 mill a year coming to them on top of the money they already make with ticket prices and merch sales…
I wonder if it’s 80 million a year, I wonder if maybe it’s 40 million a year right now and maybe in 10 years it’ll be 80 million and finish out around 100 million sometime. 80 Million dollars a year isn’t going to be as powerful in 20 years.
I don’t necessarily think they would convert Feliz. I think a lot of that has to do with his comfort level and what he wants to do. If Wilson leaves, their rotation would be: Lewis, Ogando, Harrison, Holland, Feldman. Then if they are able to get Darvish, then one of those guys is in the bullpen.
If he could easily move to the rotation, they would have moved him there when they were testing him out beginning this season
Who cares…? Closer’s are easier to find than starters. A starter that throws 200+ IP is way more valuable than a closer that throws ~60 IP.
Morales will start in the DL again and be the dh when he returns, abreu will be traded this offseason, and trout will be on the 25 man roster the whole year if he doesnt pull a conger and will be the Rookie of the Year
I’m not saying Morales will do or be good or even close to the same but it will happen
every time i see you write wells dh, a little piece of me dies.
Is the Astros moving to the AL West a for sure thing? I haven’t heard this news.
“Angels possibly exceeding Texas contract.” More like doubling it, and including part ownership in Fox to boot.
Zito might be available…
Who cares is Ron Washington. Remember when they wanted to move Feliz to the rotation but Wash got all flustered because they wouldn’t have an “experienced closer?” Yeah. That’s what happened.
Mike Adams and Koji Uehara will be back. Add in a couple mid-range free agents, and the pen will be just fine w/o Feliz.
You love that picture don’t you?
don’t be a dbag.
I guess so. Doesn’t matter, it wasn’t our year. We had no p!tching. Still, I would rather see Detroit than Texas. Now we have to watch “Dubya” front row in the world series again.
Let’s go whoever comes out of the NL!Anyway, easy on the censor bypasses.
How is that d-baggy but “Ugh, Rangers in the World Series again. Sucks…” is fine and dandy?
considering the person who its coming from, yes it is.
I could care less what you say. I’m not a dbag. The comment was directed at East Coast Bias. Go screw yourself and mind your own business.
internettt tough guy alert.
you would think someone who openly shows off that they wear a sweater vest and take self photos, would have more class.
hahaha
Did I threaten you? Then how am I acting like an internet tough guy? I didn’t show off to anyone. Don’t talk about me having no class when you’re the one that said to me “don’t be a dbag” and insulting what i’m wearing in a picture. Especially when I said nothing but for someone to not complain that the Rangers are back in the World Series. If they have a problem with that then they should write their team a letter requesting that they play better.
I’m going to suggest having at least one of these pictures mandatory per thread. hahaaha
You’d rather see Detroit than Texas for what reason?
Ugh. Tell me about it. The moment I start to like the Rangers, they show that prick in the front row rooting for them, and I’m just left feeling dirty. As a Dodger fan, I couldn’t even watch the World Series last year. At least this year I can root for the Cardinals or Brewers…
Not liking George Bush shouldn’t make you not like the Rangers. There are alot of fans here that don’t like him or care for him. You can’t help who is a fan of your team.
And Jordan Walden may be proof that Washington had a good point. 10 blown saves, 10 GB…