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AL West Notes: Rangers, Wilson, Feliz, Angels, A’s

By Mark Polishuk | October 15, 2011 at 10:22pm CDT

With tonight's victory, the Rangers became the first AL West team to win consecutive pennants since the A's won three straight American League titles between 1988 and 1990.  Here are a few news items from around the division….

  • Despite recent rumors, the Rangers say there's "no way" they'll throw money at CC Sabathia this offseason, reports Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com (Twitter links). If Texas does decide to go after a starter from outside the organization, it would probably be Yu Darvish.
  • "[C.J. Wilson] wants $100MM, and he's not getting that from us," a Rangers source tells Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com.  The source says that if Wilson leaves Texas for free agency, Alexi Ogando and Neftali Feliz would both be converted into starting pitchers next season.
  • The Angels may be close to a new television contract with FOX Sports, reports Bill Shaikin of the Los Angeles Times.  A filing from Major League Baseball (in the ongoing legal case with Frank McCourt) stated that the Halos are "expected to close a new transaction" in regards to a new TV deal.  Shaikin hears from sources that "no deal is imminent" but FOX and the Angels have been in negotiations.  Shaikin speculates that the contract could exceed the Rangers' recent 20-year, $1.6BB TV contract with FOX.
  • The Athletics were denied permission to interview Reds pitching coach Bryan Price, reports ESPN's Buster Olney (Twitter link).  Price's contract in Cincinnati expires after next season.
  • Athletics scouts were against the December 2005 trade of then-prospect Andre Ethier to the Dodgers for Milton Bradley, tweets Tom Krasovic of West Coast Bias.
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  1. Bennie

    9 years ago

    I’ve got news for the so called source.  Ogando has already been converted into a starting pitcher.  Feliz should go into the rotation even if they resign CJ.  They can trade Colby then.

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    • Steve Smith

      9 years ago

      Why would they trade Colby? He’s cheap and effective. 

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      • MadmanTX

        9 years ago

        Exactly. Lewis staying put is a no-brainer. Converting Feliz means either Adams closes or the Rangers go after a closer this winter. I still think the Rangers will go hard after Darvish and maybe try for Fielder, while working extra hard on a long term deal with Hamilton’s agent. Wilson can go wither in NY.

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        • captainjeter

          9 years ago

          no thanks . Lewis  is nothing  to write home  about

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          • 0vercast

            9 years ago

            Plenty of teams would love to have Lewis.  The Twins being one of them.

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      • Scott

        9 years ago

        exactly y hes got great trade value allowing the rangers to recieve great compensation.

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        • Steve Smith

          9 years ago

          By your logic, why not trade Feliz or Elvis? Both have great trade value. A team appearing in back to back World Series does not trade valuable pieces. Other way around Scott.

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      • Bennie

        9 years ago

        Because in the scenario that I outlined they would have an extra starting pitcher.  If they don’t resign CJ then they can keep Colby.

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        • Lunchbox45

          9 years ago

          no such thing as an extra starting pitcher, just ask the red sox

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          • Bennie

            9 years ago

            Of course there is.  You only need 5 and if you have 6 you have an extra one.  Kind of like Tommy Hunter was when they traded him.

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            • Lunchbox45

              9 years ago

              and then what happens when you have injurys or a pitcher fails expectations ?

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              • Bennie

                9 years ago

                The same thing you did this year.  You have Feldman make a start or Ramirez or Perez, or someone else from AAA.  You could even sign a vereran type to pitch at AAA for emergencies.  You might even be able to bring up whoever you get in trade for Colby.

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                • KyleB

                  9 years ago

                  1. Ramirez and Perez need at minimum another half season of work. They should get another full season in the minors.
                  2. You would not get a quality starter for Colby that could come in and pitch.

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                  • Bennie

                    9 years ago

                    Ramirez and Perez would be available to come up for an emergency start.  You don’t know what they could get for Colby at this point.  What did Oakland have to give up for Moscoso?  There are minor league pitchers available in trade who could come up.  Besides, who was our sixth starter last year when we broke camp.  Bush?  The sixth starter next year would be just as good as him in my scenario.    Feldman would be much better than Bush.  So would our best AAA pitcher.

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                • Lunchbox45

                  9 years ago

                  given the return, and the uncertainty behind feliz’s switch to the rotation and innings limit, seems  a lot more practical to just keep colby

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              • vtadave

                9 years ago

                Exactly….should the Rays trade David Price because they have Matt Moore?

                There is no such thing as too many starting pitchers. Just ask the Reds, Reds Sox, etc.

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                • TheDunneDeal

                  9 years ago

                  No, but they’re probably going to trade James Shields.

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            • Colin Christopher

              9 years ago

              That’s ridiculous. Having six starting pitchers doesn’t mean you have “an extra one.” The Red Sox looked to have 6-7 good SPs going into the season, and look how that worked out.

              It makes sense to trade a SP from depth if you have large holes to fill on offense, but that is not the case for the Rangers, who scored the 3rd-most runs in baseball this season. And if they lose CJ Wilson, even if they have six SPs, they can’t consider that as a position of depth because of all the question marks they’d have concerning at least three spots in that rotation.

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              • thegrayrace

                9 years ago

                The Red Sox did not have 6-7 “good” SPs going into the season.

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  2. John08Patriot

    9 years ago

    Good luck getting anywhere near that amount after your pathetic postseason, C.J.

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    • TXHC

      9 years ago

      Somebody will still give it to him. All it takes is one team.

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      • 12DenoEbel12

        9 years ago

        The Nationals will

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        • Colin Christopher

          9 years ago

          Good point. The Nationals have money to spend, are getting sneaky good, and they’re mostly a young team. Imagine the leap they’d make with one more good bat and a rotation headed by Strasburg, Wilson, and Zimmermann. Then add Bryce Harper and Anthony Rendon to that team in 2013.

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        • TXHC

          9 years ago

          That’s what I’m thinking too.

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    • MB923

      9 years ago

      Wasn’t that hard for the big guy (that’s what she said)

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  3. bayareabeast

    9 years ago

    wait..the a’s regret trading one of their prospects? who woulda thought..

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    • RepOak

      9 years ago

      Not surprised a comment like that coming from a person with a name like your yours..

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    • fpsantangeloswingman

      9 years ago

      sorta like how the Giants regret trading Joe Nathan and Francisco Liriano.

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      • bayareabeast

        9 years ago

        thats one trade..a’s are mlb’s farm system..but im sure you take pride in that as a a’s fan

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  4. Jose Herrera

    9 years ago

    I liked C.J. But come on why the heck do a choke job when it matters the most? if he prefers the west cost, it’s idiotic for him to think he’ll get that from the dodgers, he don’t like Oakland’s mound nor their fans, so good luck trying a new team Christopher John.

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    • Verbal Spacey

      9 years ago

      “why the heck do a choke job” less commenting on websites, more practicing logical thought processes. 

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  5. Jose Herrera

    9 years ago

    It should give us money to spend.

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  6. jsaxon79

    9 years ago

    Looking forward to seeing CJ leave. You might remember that Feliz was the best pitcher in Training camp but we had to make the decision to move him to the bullpen because we lacked depth.

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    • KyleB

      9 years ago

      Feliz’s arm was tired for much of the beginning of the season due to him starting all of spring training. He even said that. I don’t buy him as a starter for us.

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  7. TartanElk

    9 years ago

    Please leave CJ. Don’t let Feliz’s abilities be squandered. Let the Rangers make him a SP.

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  8. jsaxon79

    9 years ago

    You might remember that Felix was the best pitcher in training camp but they had to put him in the bullpen becasue of depth issues. Feliz I feel will have more success as a starting pitcher than CJ Wilson. We also have Martin Perez coming up in a few years and the lerking Yu Darvish scenrio might be happening. Rangers aren’t scared to spend money they just will not with CJ. To emotional of a pitcher to spend that kind of money.

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  9. Gator4444

    9 years ago

    I’m sure Feliz and his 1 pitch will last a whole season startiing.

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    • notsureifsrs

      9 years ago

      runs above average per 100 pitches

      feliz 2009-2011

      fastball 1.7
      slider 3.73
      curveball 1.28
      changeup 0.24

      ogando 2010 (before converting)

      fastball 2.01
      slider -.03
      changeup -.19

      c.j. wilson 2009 (before converting)

      fastball 0.80
      slider 0.20
      cutter 0.51
      curveball 2.23
      changeup -2.25

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      • vtadave

        9 years ago

        Nice work.

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    • Colin Christopher

      9 years ago

      You don’t know much about Feliz, do you? I guess you didn’t know about the other three pitches – slider, changeup, curve – he throws pretty well. You probably just overlooked the fact that if closers command their fastball well with movement, then they aren’t usually asked to throw other pitches. I suppose you forgot about Alexi Ogando, who only throws two pitches and had a pretty good year as a starter. It’s cool. We’ll give you a pass on all those.

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  10. Dennis

    9 years ago

     Wilson is 30 years old, has only been a starter for two years—and wants over $100Mil? What’s he smokin?

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    • Joe Wright

      9 years ago

      Wilson is the biggest as____ I’ve ever met. The guy is simply better than everyone else. Thats how comes off and he does it with his nose in the air. FK CJ Wilson

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      • RedSoxDynasty

        9 years ago

        Youve never met John Lackey i see!

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        • jt24

          9 years ago

          I have a feeling Joe has seen plenty of Lackey.  As Angels fans, we know Lackey all too well.

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          • John W

            9 years ago

            CJ Wilson = John Lackey = AJ Burnett.  A #2 pitcher but the “best available free agent” asking for #1 money.  Lets see who hasn’t been paying attention and gives it to him.

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          • Joe Wright

            9 years ago

            Never liked him as an Angel. Just a big baby. I’m glad he’s gone!

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        • Joe Wright

          9 years ago

          I live in Boston, so I guess I can go down to the local pub and find him there drinking

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        • RyÅn Krol

          9 years ago

          I have. I met him at the Goat Hill Tavern in Newport Beach, CA. I don’t know about you but I was able to talk with him for quite a while. Jered Weaver was right there and wasn’t talking to anyone. Scot Shields was all over the place. Napoli of course was chugging a pitcher behind the bar. I’ll bet CJ is a bigger @$$ than John.

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      • jwsox

        9 years ago

         you seriously met CJ?

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        • Lunchbox45

          9 years ago

          probably not.. and from what i’ve seen cj looks like a pretty nice guy and pretty funny

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          • Joe Wright

            9 years ago

            He’s not. He’s a self centered as____

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        • Joe Wright

          9 years ago

          Yup, I was in Amsterdam he was there with some friends and I had my Angels hat on so I went up to him and he was a complete jerk TO EVERYONE! Just a stuck up, dude. Just look at his interviews on TV. I was pretty stoned though so, I didnt care at the time

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      • 0vercast

        9 years ago

        He’d be a nice fit with the Yankees, which is where I think he’ll end up.

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  11. Joe Wright

    9 years ago

    As an Angel fan, I’ve been waiting 2yrs for this FOX deal. Arte beter sign Fielder this offseason

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    • HolaAmigas

      9 years ago

      Why? What happens to Trumbo? Don’t forget Morales is returning. The outfield is full, and don’t forget that the Angels still have Abreu.

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      • Joe Wright

        9 years ago

        Abreu sucks and will not be an everyday starter and might even get traded.
        Morales isnt coming back. He still can’t run and cut so his career is probably over
        Trumbo isnt a 1B or a 3B, he’s a RF/LF
        And finally, the Angels need a star bat. That’s all that’s been missing between the Angels and everyone else who makes the playoffs on a year to year bases. Tha Angels need power and trumbo isnt the answer.

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        • 12DenoEbel12

          9 years ago

          Trumbo isn’t the answer but he will help that huge bat when it comes to anaheim

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        • RBIBaseball

          9 years ago

          you do realize that Trumbo had an OBP below .300 this season

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          • Joe Wright

            9 years ago

            yes I think it was 260-255 or something like that. I don’t think Trumbo is as good as most of these deluded Angel fans think

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        • crashcameron

          9 years ago

          that’s been the same case ever since they wimped out on pulling off a trade for Miggy Cabrera

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      • crashcameron

        9 years ago

        i think the Angels (fans and front office) should do their best to try and forget that they have Bobby Abreu

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        • Perry

          9 years ago

          Too bad they can’t ask him to retire now to become the new hitting coach. I think Abreu would make a fine hitting coach. Plus, I’m sure Angel fans would be happy with Hatcher out of the coaching staff.

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  12. DiabloSalmon4Coach

    9 years ago

    Angels got Busy ever since season ended.. GOT TO TO LOVE IT! Hopefully Halos get some Money to spend

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    • cookmeister

      9 years ago

      they have had money to spend, just havn’t done it wisely

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  13. Christopher Rydo

    9 years ago

    As I watch the ALCS, I just hope that for every hit Napoli and Beltre get this postseason, that Mr. Moreno, Scioscia, and Reagins all feel it like a punch to the stomach. I’m sorry, but if I hear the commentators refer to Napoli as “Mini-Babe Ruth” one more time, I’m going to throw up myself. 

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    • KyleB

      9 years ago

      There There….Go Rangers

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  14. start_wearing_purplestart_wearing_purple

    9 years ago

    Wow… the Tigers were just hopelessly outclassed in this series.

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    • Lunchbox45

      9 years ago

      When they lost with verlander on the mound it took away their only real advantage … They win game 1 and they at least see a game 7

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  15. Smrtbusnisman04

    9 years ago

    I thought the andre either trade was just Beane’s way of a parting gift to his pupil, Paul Depodesta.

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  16. MadmanTX

    9 years ago

    Woo hoo! GO RANGERS!

    Good to see also that the latest update to this rumor confirmed what I said earlier about the Rangers going for Darvish over CC.

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    • KyleB

      9 years ago

      Yea, but this is just something that a writer said might happen…it has no creedence to it.

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  17. NomarGarciaparra

    9 years ago

    The link to Bryan Price isn’t the right guy…just sayin’

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  18. East Coast BiasEast Coast Bias

    9 years ago

    Ugh, Rangers in the World Series again. Sucks…

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    • start_wearing_purplestart_wearing_purple

      9 years ago

      Do what I’m doing. Root for the NL team.

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      • Lunchbox45

        9 years ago

        I only want the brewers to win

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        • start_wearing_purplestart_wearing_purple

          9 years ago

          I lived in Missouri for a while so I’m rooting for the Cards now because they’re high in my hierarchy of teams to root for.

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        • Sniderlover

          9 years ago

          lol it would be funny to see Brewers and their brutal defense make it to the WS. I bet tons of casual fans would get a kick out of watching them boot the ball all over the infield in the spotlight.  

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      • East Coast BiasEast Coast Bias

        9 years ago

        Good idea. But Texas is pretty high on my hierarchy of teams I hate haha. Don’t worry, you’re still number one <3

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      • crashcameron

        9 years ago

        “root, root, root for the Cubbies!”

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    • TJC...CFFL

      9 years ago

      Hmmm..it seems half the people in this conversation like the Rangers and half of you dont..That means half of you are stupid.

      Discuss.

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  19. theanswer75

    9 years ago

     I’d offer CJ 5 for $85M and if he says no then good luck, cya later. CJ is a #2 and i’d rather have darvish for the next 6 years for the same amount. He’s going to be an ace in this league and is only 25 instead of 31.

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    • Lunchbox45

      9 years ago

       a) no real clue how darvish is going to translate to the bigs
       b) with posting fees, its going to cost a lot more than 85 mill for darvish

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      • jhawk1000

        9 years ago

        Look at how the Kenshin Kawakami experiment worked out for the Braves. KK was supposed to be this #2 type starter from Japan and got shelled over here because he couldn’t or wouldn’t make the transition. He ended up in AA and missed the rest of the season even there. Not all Japanese pitchers make it when they get here, that’s my only concern for the Rangers.

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        • gradylittle

          9 years ago

          Only reliever types, to my recent memory anyway, have any success here. Starters seem to never really become the aces or effective pitchers we hope for them to be. 

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  20. jwsox

    9 years ago

    Am I reading that correctly? 20 year 1.6 billion? as in 80 million a year for the next 20 years? The rangers better not ever have trouble extending players, kinsler, hamilton, napoli, andrus ever again or signing free agents..Price, CC…if they have an extra 80 mill a year coming to them on top of the money they already make with ticket prices and merch sales…

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    • Tom

      9 years ago

      I wonder if it’s 80 million a year, I wonder if maybe it’s 40 million a year right now and maybe in 10 years it’ll be 80 million and finish out around 100 million sometime. 80 Million dollars a year isn’t going to be as powerful in 20 years.

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  21. neoncactus

    9 years ago

    I don’t necessarily think they would convert Feliz.  I think a lot of that has to do with his comfort level and what he wants to do.  If Wilson leaves, their rotation would be: Lewis, Ogando, Harrison, Holland, Feldman.  Then if they are able to get Darvish, then one of those guys is in the bullpen.  

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