Cornelius Alexander "Connie" Mack was born on this day in 1862. After an 11-year playing career, Mack went on to become the manager and co-owner of the Philadelphia Athletics in 1901 and was a fixture in the A's dugout for the next half-century. Between his 50 years with the A's (and three years managing the Pirates from 1894-96), Mack won five World Series titles and compiled a 3731-3948 record. Needless to say, Mack's records for managerial wins and losses will never be broken.
Some news from around the majors…
- The Indians made "an aggressive" two-year contract offer to Carlos Beltran worth "very close" to the $26MM Beltran received from the Cardinals, a source tells Paul Hoynes of the Cleveland Plain Dealer.
- The Braves have been rather quiet this offseason but "the fact is we like our team," GM Frank Wren tells David O'Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. "We continue to have some conversations,” Wren said. “We’d have liked to have gotten something done in November in some areas, but just weren’t the matches….We’re continuing to work different options. This was not a good free-agent year, not a lot of players that impacted teams, especially in the areas we would like to get better in.” Wren said the Braves may wait to see how their players perform during Spring Training before deciding if they need to bring in some new acquisitions.
- The Padres still have around $7-$9MM to spend this winter, observes Bill Center of the San Diego Union-Tribune as part of his weekly chat with fans.
- Center also discusses Anthony Rizzo trade rumors, citing the Rays and Cubs as the most interested parties. Center thinks teams who miss out on Prince Fielder (such as possibly the Mariners and Orioles) could look at Rizzo as well.
- The Reds will use Sean Marshall as a setup man, not as a closer, once their deal with the Cubs is finalized, writes John Fay of the Cincinnati Enquirer. Fay also wonders if the Reds are working out a contract extension with Marshall, as the price of Travis Wood plus two prospects seems high for a reliever who is only under control through 2012.
- The Mariners are still interested in Jeff Francis, reports Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports (via Twitter). Seattle wants a veteran like Francis for the rotation to serve as a bridge for the team's young pitchers. We heard about the Mariners' interest in Francis earlier this month, and the Twins, Pirates, Cubs and Rockies have also been linked to the Canadian left-hander.
- Patrick Ebert of Perfect Game runs down the 10 biggest stories that emerged from this year's amateur draft.
- Former Marlins manager Edwin Rodriguez told Todd Hollandsworth and Jim Memolo of MLB Network Radio (as reported by MLB.com's Joe Frisaro) that he didn't agree with Miami's signing of Jose Reyes. "You already have an All-Star shortstop, why spend money on another All-Star shortstop?" Rodriguez asked. "Why not put the money into another player, like Albert Pujols or a front-line pitcher?” Rodriguez also wondered how "a very proud player" like Hanley Ramirez would handle switching positions and having Reyes be the center of media attention in Miami.
- The Giants haven't spent much to address their lack of hitting this winter, writes Fangraphs' Wendy Thurm.
diesel2410
Rizzo to the Rays is very intriguing, but the Pads and Rays don’t match up well at all. Both need middle infield help and have a ton of pitching. Maybe a 3-way trade? In-Friedman-I-Trust!!!!
joeybw
Sean Rod is a fine stop gap and Lee is the future. If they want to try trading young prospects for each other, I might be ok with Beckham for Rizzo. HOWEVER, WD40 would be a stud in the huge Petco, with a much smaller chance of HR’s, he would be a lot better, he would just need less walks.
diesel2410
I would be perfectly fine trading Beckham for Rizzo. Lee seems much better. The more power, the better
AirmanSD
And thats the biggest problem with Davis. The same reason I am personally leery of Volquez, walks in PETCO is how a pitcher can get in the most trouble since you are reduced to playing small ball.
markr
might be ok with beckham for rizzo…laughable
briankoke
Padres say no to that without hesitation.
markr
for sure
cubsfan25
I think the only way the Cubs get Rizzo is for Garza
User 4245925809
Would not shock me at all to see Epstein try and find a way to get him back, only don’t forget that Hoyer is just as familiar with him from Boston also and is not going to let him go cheaply.
Cubs farm system is so wretched (not trying to knock them) it will be very hard for Epstein to get him regardless.
Guest 5634
padres have no need for Garza. They are rebuilding. Why do you think they traded Latos?
toptimrubies
Hoyer is in CHI with Epstein.
User 4245925809
Byrnes.. Boston front office personnel are all over the league running places or high up.. Hard to remember which one is where now 😉
YanksFanSince78
Umm….isn’t Hoyer the GM for the Cubs now? Last I checked Ep and Hoyer are on the same team now…haha.
briankoke
Byrnes shot that rumor down. Padres wont want Garza. Three way deal?
NYBravosFan10
It might be very interesting to you Braves, Royals or Red Sox fans that there was a tweet from Royals Review that said that the three teams are discussing a trade that would result in…
Royals get-Jair Jurrjens
Red Sox get-Joakim Soria
Braves get-Lorenzo Cain, Marco Scutaro, others (I’m assuming the + sign in the tweet means the Braves would get more players not named yet)
What do you all think?
notsureifsrs
marco sctuaro for joakim soria? i approve. if the others are top prospects, i don’t. and i’d be surprised if the red sox dealt scutaro to be honest now that lowrie is gone
i think three-team trades are awesome though and should happen more often
NYBravosFan10
I would think that the “others” would mean another Red Sox player being involved because no way the Sox get off that easy.
diesel2410
Even if the Sox give up a top prospect and Scutaro, I still think it’s a win for them. Losing Papelbon was a tough blow, and who knows if Bard is ready for “Boston closer” role. Soria has experience and nasty stuff.
I wouldn’t like it as a Rays fan
NYBravosFan10
well, if the “other” is going to the Braves then it might not even be a minor-leaguer. Maybe Josh Reddick?
diesel2410
Would the Braves want/need 2 MLB-ready outfielders for a pitcher?
NYBravosFan10
Cain could be the long-term answer at CF if we can’t bring back Bourn but I’m not sure what he’d do until then. And the only reason I said Josh Reddick is because I don’t know anymore Red Sox prospects/brand-new major leaguers that actually fit lol
rundmc1981
I have my doubts about Cain. Who does KC have in CF coming up that makes him expendable? Wil Myers is a corner OF.
Jeff 31
Heyward’s a bit of a question mark right now. Bourn will leave after the season, or have a fat contract, and Prado is out of position in LF, but will move to 3B once Chipper retires. This would be a move for 2013 more then 2012.
JJ is expendable not because he sucks (he’s quite good), but because of guys named Teheran, Delgado, and Vizcaino who are all potentially better then anything the Braves have starting now, and the Braves starters are good as of now.
rundmc1981
Don’t be so sure about Chipper being done after 2012. He has an option remember, and he’s not one to turn down any offer unless he has a TERRIBLE 2012.
As much as I love Prado, and as much as we need an OBP guy – which he normally is – he doesn’t have many of the attributes of a typical 3B. I love the progress that Terdoslavich is making, though he’s still a ways off. Even if we re-sign Bourn and if Pastornicky proves worthy, they still won’t bring power. So we replace Prado IF Chipper retires after ’12 then we’ll HAVE TO get a power LF bat.
rundmc1981
Lorenzo Cain is MLB-ready?
carpengui
I’m not really buying the source, but:
Atlanta seems to be acting on the assumption that Michael Bourn is a one-and-done guy for 2012 only (Boras client; in his contract year). Ergo, Lorenzo Cain makes perfect sense.
Scutaro also makes great sense as a utility guy/backup/challenge for Tyler Pastornicky as new SS.
The trifecta, if possible, would be Will Middlebrooks, the Sox 3B prospect, who they might consider to be blocked by Youkilis… give him a year at AAA Gwinett, and then he could have a chance to be Chipper’s heir apparent.
But if such a thing would happen, Atlanta would have to throw in a bit more… to both KC and Boston.
commenter3346
But Middlebrooks isn’t blocked by Youkilis.
Youkilis is breaking down at 3rd base & probably won’t survive 2012 let alone 2013. Middlebrooks needs a year in AAA before he’s (hopefully) ready.
Which means they need a replacement — i.e., Middlebrooks (the closest 3rd base prospect to being ready).
+ Why would the Red Sox give up their best prospect for a reliever who just came off a bad/down year?
+ Why would the Red Sox give up their starting shortstop when they just traded away the leading candidate to replace him (if he were to be traded)? So they can have Nick Punto and Mike Aviles covering 3rd base (when Youkilis hits the DL) & short stop?
carpengui
You’re right – there are things that don’t make sense… but like I say, if this WAS somehow legit, I would at least ASK about Middlebrooks if I’m Atlanta.
Thx for the Youk report – admittedly wasn’t sure his state… turns 33 in March.
chico65
You’re forgetting about Iglesias. I can more than live with a black hole on the offensive side, as long as he is a black hole on the defensive side (not even light can escape the dude).
Beckett and Lester might be so happy that they will no longer feel the need to have a beer during the game.
carpengui
…that said, this may have been a fake/planted rumor. Talking Chop has a poster who seems to have reason to suggest this.
If so, gotta give some credit – the deal makes some sense, excepting the unbalance on years of control that would be exchanged.
chico65
I’d give up Reddick and Scutaro in a heartbeat if it meant Soria back in return. I’d even substitute someone like Hassan or Hazelbaker if they wanted someone a little further out. Sox are swimming in OF prospects, some further away than others- Kalish, Jacobs, Hassan, Hazelbaker, Brentz, Bradley and Westmoreland is even playing again. Get it done Ben.
joeybw
Hehe Soria just made me smile. Remember when we scored 5 runs in the 9th off Crow and Soria, ending it on Fulds triple + error to round the bases?
Brv Rocks
It could be Reddick going to the Royals.
User 4245925809
Concur. Can’t see any scenario in which Scutaro is moved now that Lowrie is gone. Punto, Avilles are not going to be the starting SS and even though IMO the Red Sox offense would be able to handle a .200OBP Iglesias, it would totally ruin any chance of him learning to hit over the long haul with another season at Pawtucket more than likely.
Phillies_Aces35
I was under the impression the Royals were going to keep Lorenzo Cain since they moved Cabrera to give him the starting job.
NYBravosFan10
me too, that’s why it’s so intriguing
Lefty
Intriguing, maybe?
However, didn’t Dayton Moore say Cain might not be ready for the full time in 2012? To me that’s a problem for the Braves if they want him as a starter, how can he be if he’s not ready.
Brv Rocks
The Braves wouldn’t want him as a starter. They would want him as the 4th outfielder (and future CF should Bourn leave as a free agent).
Triple Hawpes Brewed
How long ago was this tweet?
NYBravosFan10
it was posted at 4 something central time from Royals Review. Quote.. .
“#Royals #Braves and #RedSox discussing 3 team deal. Soria to Sox, Jurrjens to Royals, Cain, Scutaro + to Atlanta. “
T Morgan
I’m kind of shocked that this site hasn’t posted this one..
NYBravosFan10
it’s in a thread on the forums page but I agree with you. You’re slacking Tim and BNS!!!
rundmc1981
Notice they didn’t pick up the story from Mark Bowman falsifying the Baltimore Sun report.
NL_East_Rivalry
this site mostly post rumors that have legs.
T Morgan
I’m not saying this is the best source, but there have been many of reports with less legs make headlines only to be shot down shortly thereafter by someone actually involved or close to the situation. Adam Jones rumors come to mind from yesterday. Connely reports Braves offer Prado and JJ plus anothe pitching prospect, only to have it deemed completely false by Braves writers (DOB if I remember right)
NYBravosFan10
A braves player going to the Royals? It has legs.
rsanchez1
The rumor didn’t have enough “mystery teams”.
NYBravosFan10
If this rumor get’s going I’m sure there will be at least one.
Jeff 31
I’d be happy with that deal.
Brv Rocks
I love it from a Braves’ perspective.
55saveslives
Really Wendy? Brilliant deduction!
vtadave
Did you even read her article? She’s actually one of the better writers that FanGraphs has, and her breakdown of the Giants’ payroll was excellent. It was sort of a misleading way that Mark linked to the article however.
gmenfan 2
Very good article, well worth the read for Giants fans. Outlines the Giants “try to win by doing as little as humanly possible” strategy very well. Bad contracts still haunting the club and dumping a boatload of cash on two aging lefty relievers … just not smart.
55saveslives
Yes I read it….and as a Giants fan, there wasn’t one thing in there that I didn’t already know.
Kingmojo101
“a very proud player” like Hanley Ramirez…lmao that the same hanley who got benched for a lack of hustle this year right?!!!
rundmc1981
Was he benched by Jack McKeon? I know he was by Fredi Gonzalez.
Phillies_Aces35
On his first day as manager I think.
DickHarden
So we want Francis because he’s older and sucks? What’s wrong with a little Furbush until Paxton and Hultzen arrive? If we have to sign an old crappy pitcher, why not Moyer?
J-Kat
Always. The best way to bridge to your upcoming talent is to block it with free agents with no upside, while minimizing your maximum offer to Prince Fielder.
DickHarden
Thanks, I knew there had to be a good reason.
Full_Pants
It would be the Bedard strategy that Seattle has used to great advantage in the last two years. Francis has a good chance of putting up great numbers in Safeco with the Mariners defense behind him. Then they trade him at mid-season to a contender for prospects.
joeybw
Rays Get: Anthony Rizzo, Luke Gregerson
Padres Get: Wilmer Flores, Wade Davis
Mets Get: Tim Beckham and Nick Barnese
Thoughts? Opinions? Insults?
NYBravosFan10
sounds alright to me, not sure why the Rays want to trade Wade Davis but whatever
diesel2410
Surplus of pitching and they need a 1B/DH with power
NYBravosFan10
isn’t Wade Davis supposed to be one of the better ones though?
AirmanSD
Davis is seen by most scouts as a back of the rotation type, with a peak as a mid rotation starter. So no, Prices/Shields/Moore/Cobb/Archer all are or projected to be better.
AirmanSD
NO. That deal is not going to fly. The Padres need someone that is going to stick at SS. If they are giving up Rizzo and Gregerson then they have to get back a legit SS prospect. Flores isn’t that, nice bat and all but almost all scouts agree that he is moving off SS. And again, Davis makes little to no sense for the Padres unless the front office truly believes he is a lot more then he has thus far shown.
joeybw
A big problem for Wade Davis is the HR ball, the annoying one, wall scrapers usually. In Petco, those are fly outs. I think he becomes a strong 2/3 in Petco. I really do. It’s actually a bad trade for the Rays if we didn’t have 8 MLB ready SP’s with Archer knocking on the door to be #9.
AirmanSD
And to be honest that might be a fair assessment of Davis, but still not of the Padres needs. The Padres are much like the Rays in pitching depth (no not to the same level) but lack offense. That the point. Davis is a nice piece, but for the Padres they have in house options that are cheaper and could do the same job. On the other hand they lack utterly so a SS in the system that can remotely be called a long term player at the position.
padresfuture
Peterson has a chance but is 2-3 years away minimum. It will be difficult for the Padres to get a stud SS. They may have to settle for a decent one and hope Blanks and Alonso can be solid middle of the order bats.
Guest 5637
I think the Padres should go all in with the O’s or Rangers for Manny Machado or Jurickson Profar. Rizzo and Headley could both be used and Venable, Bartlett, and Hudson could be had if anyone has interest. Or it would be cool if they could somehow get Adam Jones from the O’s
joeybw
Yeah, Padres have a much better shot at Hak Ju Lee than those 2 and Friedman wont be trading him. Machado and Profar are untouchables. Especially Machado, he’s the next teir after Harper, Moore and Trout.
Guest 5635
I dont really like Hak Ju. He hit for average pretty well last year but thats really it and he was in like A-ball most of the year. I dont see him much better than like Drew Cumberland, assuming he can pick up where he left off after that crazy injury. Rizzo for Lee straight up is a loss for the padres. I wouldnt do it
briankoke
I disagree. I’d love to see Rizzo for Lee. He doesn’t just hit for average. He’s a premium defender at a premium position and he has plus speed. I’d swap those two in a heartbeat.
Fred_G_Sanford
dont be racist against chinese and japanese people! jack hu lee is a good player
briankoke
He’s also Korean.
Bob M.
teams dont trade 5 tool shortstops for first basemen prospect.
rundmc1981
Machado isn’t going anywhere. You can make a play for Profar in hopes that TEX will agree long-term with Andrus.
markr
given ALL rays fans say hak ju lee is untouchable, they should probably stop making trade proposals for rizzo.
briankoke
Sounds terrible for the Padres.
rundmc1981
Gregerson could be their closer…and they trade that and one of their top position prospects for Wade Davis and Flores? They could get a lot more for Rizzo from CHC.
carpengui
MSG TO MARK POLISHUK: I’d like to suggest a re-word of your summary about the Bave O’Brien article. In that article, DOB quotes Frank Wren as saying:
“The fact is we like our team,” said Wren, who said the Braves might be
better off going to spring training and seeing how some of their own
players do before addressing their priority needs and seeing who might
become available to fill them.
Your summary seems to be missing the word “may”, which kinda conveys a different meaning…. as in “Wren said the Braves [may] wait to see how their players perform during Spring Training…”
That’s all – as you were.
SOXFISH29
the marlins went after Pujols and C.j. wilson, they offered more money so edwin looks a little crazy there
rsanchez1
Well Edwin, the Marlins *had* an All-Star shortstop, before he decided to waste the past two seasons kicking balls, playing badly, injuring himself on stupid plays, and badmouthing his manager. If the only thing the Reyes signing accomplishes is putting Hanley in his place, that would be good enough for me. But Reyes at this point is a huge improvement over Hanley. We’ll just have to see if Hanley will be a huge improvement at 3B.
Bob M.
Wade Davis for Rizzo or Brett Jackson and couple young arms far away for Rizzo. Would be a great haul. Pads could be pretty good eventually for awhile if their pitching progresses.
rundmc1981
They’re not giving up their top position prospect (Jackson) for Rizzo. They wouldn’t make sense in rebuilding.
SDPads98
I’m not familiar with Jackson, but are you saying Rizzo is not a top position prospect that will not help a team with rebuilding as well??
inkstainedscribe
Wasn’t Wren talking like this (we’re not really looking to do anything now) right before he made the deal for Uggla? I think he enjoys pulling surprises.
jesse heiman
The padres/rays/mariners should do a three team trade that sends Michael Pineda and Justin smoak to Tampa and padres and padres send chase Headly and rizzo to m’s and rays and rays send Friedmann and B.J. upton to Mariners and Padres.
Beersy 2
I’m not trying to be rude, but I can’t figure out what your proposal is. Who would get who? I’m assuming it is a joke as Friedman is involved.
AmazinBuzz
Actually Connie Mack was born “Cornelius McGillicuddy”
jeffmaz
Teams that miss out on Fielder might turn to Rizzo?
are you kidding me…have you seen Rizzo try to hit at the MLB level?
and this is coming from a Padres fan
padresfuture
He has a good approach at the plate and lots of power. He will be fine. Need more than 100 or so ML at bats, he will make the adjustments as he is very competitive and doesn’t give up.
jeffmaz
the thing about prospects/suspects (even the good ones)…is that you just never know how they will perform in the bigs
because of his slow start – I don’t see the trade value there – and if he does pan out – then they will be selling Rizzo too low
Juan Andre Flores
would edgar renteria make a good fit with the padres
elscorchot
Shut up, Edwin