The Dodgers are prioritizing Cole Hamels in their search for rotation upgrades, tweets Joel Sherman of the New York Post. Los Angeles “wants to exhaust” the option of acquiring Hamels before moving onto a “Plan B” like Yovani Gallardo. Per Sherman, the Dodgers continue to insist that they will not part with top prospects Corey Seager and Julio Urias, however.
Refusal to move either Seager or Urias will certainly work against the Dodgers, who face steep competition in the market for Hamels. The Giants are said to be making a “strong push,” and the Astros are also pushing for the Philadelphia ace. The Rangers have been discussing prospects with the Phillies recently, and the Diamondbacks have emerged as somewhat of a surprise candidate in the Hamels sweepstakes as well. The Cubs are said to merely be “on the periphery” of the Hamels market.
The Phillies have asked that teams make their best offers for Hamels by tomorrow, per ESPN’s Jayson Stark, and his previously scheduled Thursday start has been pushed back to Friday — after the trade deadline — so as not to risk an injury and to potentially make him immediately available to start for an acquiring team. Over the weekend, Stark characterized the Dodgers as one of the favorites for Hamels.
With ~7 different teams still showing interest, you’d need De Leon and Holmes as the meat of the package if you’re not going to move Urias or Seager.
So they are prioritizing Hamels but won’t trade top prospects hmmm
I’m still hoping the Dodgers will cave in and offer Urias.
Phillies would be better off with Alex Guerrero and De Leon. Guerrero can play serviceable 2B, 3B or LF. If Guerrero agrees to waive his provision becoming a free agent at the end of the season upon a trade, in exchange for a few million dollars, then the Phillies have a 20 hrs. a year guy plus a top pitching prospect.
Don’t blame you. Any team would be lucky to bag that kid.
Ain’t gonna happen. I doubt the Dodgers would even do that deal 1:1 (Hamels straight up for Urias). And the Phillies probably wouldn’t, either.
Nobody else is offering a prospect at the level of Seager/Urias, so how exactly will that “certainly work against them”? The Giants don’t have anyone even close to that good. The Rangers are refusing to trade Gallo or Mazara. And there’s no way the Astros are trading Correa.
Because the Dodgers aren’t offering Urias or Seager either. The Rangers and Astros farm systems have more depth and more potential pieces than the Dodgers.
Hamels has a no-trade clause and Houston is one of the teams listed as a no-go. Sure, money could change that, but there’s a reason he doesn’t want to go there.
It’s the only leverage Hamels will have for the next 3+ years, so it’s questionable as to whether or not he’d agree to it.
I see Hamels going to either the Yanks, Cubs, or Dodgers.
The Rangers have some very good position prospects below Gallo and Mazzara
A team may get fixated on a guy and also under-value the other guys, so if they can’t get the #1, the rest looks even worse.
Note Susac is a big league ready catcher. I can count on one hand right now, every day catchers under full team control who can hit and defend. Realmuto, Plawecki, Swihart… ummmm scarcity is what is making the catching position so valuable. Susac can headline a deal, even prior to hitting this season at the big league level he was a top 50 prospect.
Would the Giants give Susac up for Mike Leake? A guy who twice has dominated the Cardinals this season, has very good numbers and is a strong hitter for a pitcher has value as a No. 3 guy for a contender, even as a rental.
If I were the dodgers GM, I’d just keep all major prospects and just get a middle tier type of pitcher with bullpen pieces. In the offseason there’s so many free agent pitchers that they can just sign three of them if they really wanted. Dodgers have the money. No real reason to give up top prospects.
I agree. Not a fan of dangling prospects here and there, burning your farm system. Take Gallardo and a cheaper bullpen arm. My guess is that Hamels is a smokescreen. Dodgers front office need to appear as if they’re trying really hard to get Hamels but won’t burn the farm system. Most fans won’t be happy, but so be it. Colletti would have given pretty much whatever the Phillies wanted and a good chunk of Hamels’ salary. Remember when he bid against himself and took all the bad contracts from the Red Sox and gave away prospects?
Colletti bad. Are we done yet? Really, take a look at all those great prospects he gave away to the Red Sox. So many impact players who made a real contribution. Not. Oh, and sending Gordon away. That was such a brilliant move made by the new guys.
Point is that he not only took on bad contracts that the Red Sox were begging other teams to take. But he also gave away prospects. Yeah, they haven’t panned out so far, but both have Webster and De La Rosa have reached the Majors and could pan out. Yeah, Gordon trade has not been good, but Grandal was good. I didn’t like both trades.
Years later now and some of them could still pan out. I don’t see that as strong argument that the trade was a bad one for the Dodgers. The team was made better. The contracts, I will let the people who write the checks worry about. Bottom line, I am not convinced that this new front office walks on water. They’ve made a lot of moves but none that made the team great. Lest we forget that the mediocre Giants are right on the doorstep.
I think they might want to win this year as well. I know everyone is supposed to build for this magical future over the rainbow (in which 50% of all prospects will fail completely and another 40-45% will disappoint), but someone is going to win it all in 2015.
Not giving up Urias OR Seager? Then you’re not getting Cole Hamels. Sheesh the dodgers are so spoiled with their $266 million dollar luxury tax breaking payroll
You’re a muppet. Seager is no.2 overall and urias no.3(?) In baseball. Seager will be the Dodger SS in a month or two. Urias could be in the rotation this year or next and has HUGE upside. Like Felix Hernandez, MadBum type upside. Phillies should take whatever they can get and finally rebuild. If they don’t accept a package of guys like De Leon and Sweeney etc the Phillies are mad
Ehhh… I disagree. They could go either way. They have a ton of money coming in from the tv deal, and a ton coming off the books. The Phillies are under the lxury tax now, th yo couldgo over for one year without the huge penalty, The phillies in a not so unlikely scenario could trade hamelsto the Rangers or Astros, take their catching prospect, and then go out in the offseason and sign Grienke … Where would the Dodgers be then? Same spot as they are now, very good team but not good enough to win it all. HAMELS puts you guys over the top imo. Meanwhile you take the risk of your prospects not developing, or key pieces getting hurt in future seasons while making your runs, as well as otherteams keep frogging you…. Or You could part with seager or Urias and go for it while the stars are as close to aligning as it’s going to get … Someday the future becomes the present, seems like the dodgers should go for it. At this point TOR might go all in and deal for Hamels …. Poo or get off the pot time
I don’t hear anyone adding the other variable into the equation – the Phillies don’t HAVE to trade Hamels right now. Yeah, his stock is to the moon because of the no-no, but Hamels is literally their only true blue chip trade bait. Dodgers don’t want to give up one of the top two? Ok, talk to you in December. Go win a World Series without him. The Phillies hold ALL the power. Not a small market team, player is controlled, franchise has money.
Let the Dodgers overpay for Shields then, people are Arguing about Prospects, that’s all they are Prospects, They Look Pretty until you take off the wrapping !
Cole Hamels is All-Star, 200 Inns, Playoff pitcher that has a Very attractive Contract compared to upcoming off season free Agent Pitchers!
How about DeLeon, Holmes, Barnes, Verdugo. …. Maybe that gets Dodgers into the conversation?
Can’t speak for Dodger fans, but as a Phillies fan, sold.
Agreed
Another huge haul. Seems too steep for the Dodgers, to be honest. But it would get the job done, I’d think.
I agree…Barnes puts that deal into the “can’t bear the price” territory for the Dodgers. And I doubt they would put Holmes and DeLeon into any deal together.
That’d probably be the best trade offer the Phillies have recieved so far.
As a dodgers fan if the dodgers offer that and the Phillies don’t take it you move on.
Dodgers are super high on Barnes Verdugo and De Leon. Doubt they’d part with all three in the one deal. Hamels is a luxury for the dodgers
Dodgers will find out how much a Luxury they have when the face the Mets in Playoffs.
I hold hope as a Giants fan to win the Hamels sweepstakes. I just wish all this “strong push” from the Giants results in Seager or Urias being moved. Lmao
I’d rather they sign a top arm in the offseason and just be paying money, rather than give money and prospects for Hamels. I would like to see the Dodgers give up a lot to get him though!
Opportunities to win don’t come often. Surrrre, defer to next year. Wait til the off-season to get what could put you over the top, if only you had done it when it mattered.
Hamels isnt the only good pitcher in baseball you know? Why overpay for him, when there are plenty ofother arms available
That’s been the Cardinals Philosophy for Years , Go For the Gusty , Win this Battle and live to fight next battle and possible Win War !
I mean i don’t* hold out hope as a Giants fan. I just fantasize the bums ruim their future a bit. Haha
I think they don’t move none of those prospects and trade puig wat do u think??
Phillies would want more than just Puig.
If I were the Dodgers I would not offer Puig. His upside is as high as you can get and you’re selling low here. He needs to mature a little bit as a person and a player. Physically he has everything you’d want for a player.
Agreed. I think Puig’s upside and contract make him really valuable. At this point his numbers don’t look that great, but he hasn’t had a lot of ABs. A short streak would bring him up to his (pretty remarkable to date) career averages.
Puig for Hamels is actually equivalent value, at least when you factor in age, cost, control, and WAR. I doubt either team could sell a deal like that to their respective fanbases, not that it really matters.
If I were the GM, I would do that deal straight-up, and I actually like Puig and his upside.
they have the same amount of control… the phillies want more control to extend their window since its a couple years away anyway.
I think that’s why Holmes and De Leon look like good pieces. Still a few years away. Be ready when the team starts to gel again.
Puig for hamels is a horrible deal for both teams.
Why do Dodgers fans keep including Guerrero in offers? He’s not appealing to a rebuilding team like the Phillies at all. He’s 28 and can opt out if traded. You probably couldn’t have picked a worse team to try and trade him to.
Because he said hes willing to sign an extension or something along those lines if he gets traded.
ot: Phillies get Nick Pivetta for Paps.
I heard that too, but I still don’t see him as an attractive target for a rebuilding team.
I was hoping for Voth, but Pivetta should be solid too.
He is willing to waive his opt-out for the right situation.
Would you agree the Phillies wouldn’t be the right situation for him? Or is the right situation for him basically just a team that would guarantee him playing time?
My impression of his idea of the right situation is a regular starting role but I don’t pretend to know whether the Phillies can offer him that. And he seems to believe that he’s worth more money in that situation.
Well the Phillies have Cesar Hernandez playing well at 2B right now, plus Utley coming back (assuming he doesn’t get traded at some point). Franco is manning 3B. The Phillies could certainly use an OF bat, they’ve got a bunch of mediocre guys right now. But I think they’d prefer a younger, cheaper prospect in a Hamels trade rather than a 28 year old who wants more money.
More money than they are paying him now, which is $4M a year. That’s at the lower end of utility player dollars these days. So yes, he is likely going to get more from a team that can find him a regular place in the lineup. Whether that team is the Phillies, I have no idea.
Not a Dodgers fan, but I would give up Urias. Not that the Nats need a top of the rotation pitcher, but let’s say Scherzer and or Zimmermann got hurt and was out for the year I’d give up Giolito for Hamels or Price. Those 2 give you a chance to win right away, and are proven dominant in the majors, while Giolito and Urias are unproven commodities. Just because you dominant minor league hitters doesn’t mean you’ll dominate major league hitters. Both Urias & Giolito look like the real deal, but in 10 years both could be 4th or 5th starters.
I get what you’re saying, here, but giving up a BBA #4 for Hamels seems like too steep a price. If he plays five years and puts up 3 WAR a year, that’s $100 million in value. Big price. I guess we’ll see soon.
if, if, if, …that’s a lot of if’s! I’ll take the sure thing.
That’s one if. And the kid can get those results today. Not much if on Urias or Seager. Same number as a pitcher with almost 2,000 major league innings on his arm.
plenty of ifs on seager. a lot stem from how long he will stick at short. still floor of a regular.
That’s not an if. Seager won’t stick too long at short, and I was under the impression everyone knew that.
They say he’s about average at SS above average at 3rd hence the push to move him. Given that the Dodgers have olivera and Turner though he’s far more valuable at SS even if The odd ball squeezes through the hole
That’s the risk with prospects and why almost every deal you see made that involves trading a big name for prospects almost always favors the team getting the big name.
No way I’d give up Giolito (or Urias) for a rental like Price even in that scenario.
But what would you give up to win a World Series?
Can’t put a price tag on a World Series, but you also can’t guarantee one and that’s why you don’t give up that prospect for a rental, even if it’s David Price. If Price was under control for a few more years, then sure.
Not a guy who could be an ace in the next couple of WS that’sfor sure
Top 10 prospects bust a lot less in 2015 than they did even 10 years ago. There’s no such thing as a sure thing, but I’d rather have 6 years of cost-controlled Urias starting in his teens, than 3+ years of Hamels going into his mid-30’s.
Even if Texas didn’t move Mazara I wouLD much rather a Nick Williams headlined deal than DeLeon headlined package.
Pitchers bust at a higher rate so a premium position player is a better get. Additionally the Rangers have better farm system depth to aDD onto the deal.
It’s obvious mat tingly and the Dodgers decided to shut down Guerrero and quel his production so he would agree to drop the clause for FA. They can do this because of their unlimited money and insane amount of talent under control. Guerrero can rake and the Dodgers will never win anything with mat tingly at the wheel so it is a mute point.
Silly me, but I still believe that the Rangers have the pieces that Philly needs. BUT, I don’t have enuf confidence in John Daniels to make this trade happen.
Dodgers are eager to blow up their farm system for another failed postseason run. Doesn’t surprise me one bit.
Firstly, how about those Red Sox this year? … Just checking.
Secondly, given that LA got an absolute haul on the international Market and had a solid draft which added to an already deepish system they have guys they can afford to move. Don’t think it qualifies as blowing up the farm to be honest
A-Gon blows everyone else in that trade out of the water. Win, Dodgers.
Id say,dodger folk…soas not to have to see AZ,SF or the Yanks,beat u WITH Hamels,its…and this would be ONE phone call… take it(the world series) or leave it…Seager AND either Urias or Pederson. Or Seager/Pederson and Urias,DeLeon,Schebler,Cotton,Holmes,Lee. Añd,it OUGHT be Seager,Pederson/Urias AND two of the others. If it doesn’t start with two of the three Seager,Pederson,Urias… AND two of DeLeon,Cotton,Holmes,Lee,schibler. later. Bye bye with post season Kershaw….one call from the Phils. Ten seconds to answer yes or no. Dodger fans would be CRAZY NOT to do it. Unless,of course yaxwanna watch San Fran,St Lou,kc or yanks AGAIN. Gallardo? Really? Lol. Seager,Pederson, DeLeon,Schebler. If ya want…better yet…give ya galvis,revere,francoeur too. Eat Crawford’s contract for ya. But then,all three Urias,Seager and Pederson. Or leave in the fifth,instead of the sixth. One call. Ten seconds…
sorry to bust everybodys bubbles but the phillies want the rangers prospects and like philanova said we wont give up gallo or mazara and we still would have the best chance bc they want either mazara or alfaro. and we will give them Jorge Alfaro, chi chi Gonzalez and Jake Thompson. and we would have hamels easily
or instead of jake thompson we give them nick williams one of them with chi chi and alfaro and we will have hamels
The Dodgers need to trade Puig for Hamels and get the deal done with. Puig is a cancer in the clubhouse. He has a great future but will probably bounce around MLB throughout his career as players and management get fed up with his attitude.
The whole point is to win the world series– the Dodgers (and their fans) like other teams (and their fans) always overvalue the prospects and refuse to give them up. Some 18 year old “phenom” that won’t possibly help the club until after Kershaw & Grenke are gone or declining is untouchable? Really? Now is their time– NOW… The Royals overpaid for 3 months of Cueto and it’ll be the Royals and whomever pays what they need to pay for Hamels in the World Series this year. The Dodgers will be watching it all on TV and, but at least they can keep drooling over their prospects that may or may not pan out in 2017 or 2018.
It’s not the end of the world if the Dodgers don’t get Hamels. They can just get Price, then resign him next year and sign Cueto or some other ace (or near ace). Ryu will be their #4, and they could use Mccarthy, Anderson, Bolsinger, or even Urias for their 5th pitcher. It’s not like we don’t have money.