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Free Agent Stock Watch: Andrew Cashner

By Jeff Todd | September 5, 2017 at 8:40pm CDT

Andrew Cashner took a one-year, $10MM deal with the Rangers last winter — far shy of the kind of earning power that was anticipated a few years back, when Cashner seemed to be one of the better young pitchers in baseball. Still, that was a significant one-year payout and came with hopes for a bigger payday this winter.

Aug 23, 2017; Anaheim, CA, USA; Texas Rangers starting pitcher Andrew Cashner (54) pitches against the Los Angeles Angels during the first inning at Angel Stadium of Anaheim. Mandatory Credit: Kelvin Kuo-USA TODAY SportsCashner has certainly made good on the deal from the Rangers’ perspective, as he has turned in 139 2/3 innings of 3.29 ERA pitching over 23 starts. That’s a great return on the team’s investment, helping to balance out the miss on Cashner’s former Padres teammate, Tyson Ross, who also joined the Texas staff in hopes of a turnaround.

Those superficial results, however, don’t tell us all we need to know about Cashner’s interesting upcoming foray into free agency. While it’s tempting simply to assume that the notably talented right-hander has finally found health and figured things out, organizations — including the Rangers — will be looking at quite a bit more information in valuing the rights to his future production.

It’s hard not to raise an eyebrow at Cashner’s ugly K/BB numbers. He has recorded just 4.8 K/9 — second-lowest among all qualified starters — against 3.3 BB/9 on the year. He also sports a meager 5.7% swinging-strike rate that not only falls well below his career average but also ranks dead last among qualified starting pitchers.

The hurler has continued to maintain solid ground-ball numbers, with a 48.4% rate thus far in 2017. And perhaps there’s some indication of contact management in the .267 batting average on balls in play to which he has limited opposing hitters; while that’s surely a sign that there Cashner has benefited from some good fortune, the 28.2 percent hard-hit rate he’s allowed is the eighth-lowest in MLB. Cashner has tamped down on the homers that hurt him last year (8.3% HR/FB, 0.77 HR/9), though again it’s tough to see that as a fully sustainable skill.

Clearly, the underlying metrics paint quite a different picture than do the bottom-line results. Unsurprisingly, ERA estimators are not enthused with Cashner’s work this year. SIERA (5.41) and xFIP (5.16) have never before been this bearish on the right-hander, while FIP (4.42) only prefers his work this year to his more homer-prone 2016 (when he carried a 4.84 mark).

Beyond the matters of present and projected talent, long-term durability remains something of a question given that Cashner has missed some time with arm issues in the past. He’ll turn 31 in a few days, so he isn’t old, but he’s also not particularly young for a free-agent pitcher. Notably, too, Cashner’s velocity has trended downward. This year, he’s sitting at 94 mph with his four-seamer and 92.9 mph with his sinker — around one full tick below the prior year in both cases (and yet further behind his peak levels).

So, what might the market make of all this? It’s rather difficult to say, truthfully, since it’s hard to find pitchers with anything approaching this kind of profile. While bounceback hurlers such as Rich Hill and Scott Kazmir have scored three-year, $48MM contracts in recent years after returning from rough stretches, they did so after carrying good results and peripherals for one or more prior seasons.

Frankly, it’s hard to see Cashner commanding that sort of AAV. That’s particularly true given the relatively robust slate of mid- and back-of-the-rotation hurlers lined up on the market behind the biggest names. Cashner will be competing with pitchers such as Jeremy Hellickson, Marco Estrada, Lance Lynn, Alex Cobb, Jaime Garcia, Miguel Gonzalez, Tyler Chatwood, John Lackey, and a host of others.

Cashner’s inability to generate swings and misses makes a qualifying offer (reportedly set to be worth about $18.1MM) seem unlikely. Hellickson, after all, had a more impressive overall body of work in 2016 but still accepted a $17.2MM QO from the Phillies. Texas may not really want to chance that outcome in the hopes of securing the now-reduced draft compensation that could be available if he declines and signs elsewhere. Or, perhaps, if both team and player enjoy the current arrangement, the sides could pursue a multi-year arrangement during the exclusive negotiating window. (That’s how the Blue Jays got Estrada to stay for two years and $26MM two years ago.)

With or without compensation, Cashner seems more likely to receive offers in that $8MM to $12MM annual range, dependent upon the length of the term. We have seen quite a few solid but flawed arms land in that admittedly wide bucket — often scoring long-term commitments. Three-year pacts have gone to J.A. Happ ($36MM) and Ivan Nova ($26MM) — both of which have held up rather well thus far. Pitchers such as Ricky Nolasco and Brandon McCarthy have secured ~$12MM annually over four-year terms, though they had stronger free-agent cases based on their underlying metrics than Cashner. We’ve even seen some lower-AAV, longer-term deals, such as those landed by Phil Hughes (three years, $24MM) and Jason Vargas (four years, $32MM), which function as a reminder that the market can always create one-off contract scenarios.

Perhaps the most interesting analogy, all things considered, comes from Yovani Gallardo’s recent trip into free agency. At the time, he was coming off of a year in which he put up 184 1/3 innings of 3.42 ERA pitching with a solid ground-ball rate but just 5.9 K/9 and 3.3 BB/9. He was younger than Cashner by about a year, with a lengthier track record of performance and durability, though he also had shown a more significant velocity decrease before entering the market. Gallardo was initially able to secure a $35MM guarantee over three years, but he ultimately had to settle for a promise of $22MM with a third-year option after a shoulder issue came up in his physical. Hopefully, Cashner can avoid any medical complications; he may also not come with draft compensation, which surely impacted Gallardo (who didn’t sign until late February).

While it’s hardly a perfect comp, the experience of Gallardo suggests there are some limits — but also that there’s real earning potential — for pitchers who have managed to post a solid ERA despite underwhelming peripheral indicators. Just how Cashner’s market will shape up is hard to guess at the moment, but he’ll be an interesting player to watch this winter.

Photo courtesy of USA Today Sports Images.

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  1. hamelin4mvp

    8 years ago

    3 year $39m? Open forum here. I’m not a damn GM.

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  2. AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

    8 years ago

    Rangers basically have to QO Cashner. Otherwise what was the point of not trading him at the deadline?

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    • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

      8 years ago

      Oh no! You’re not happy with what I said, and the fact that it’s true, so you’re gonna downvote my comment? Just pathetic.

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      • aff10

        8 years ago

        I mean, I guess you could argue that they should’ve traded him, although Texas was (and still is) on the fringes of the playoff race, so I think Cashner was worth more to them than whatever non – prospect they would’ve gotten in return.

        The QO is terrible though. That would just be compounding the “mistake” of not trading him.

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          8 years ago

          No they’re not in the playoffs race. The moment they traded Darvish, they knew their season was over. If they trade him it would behoove them to trade all their other pending FA’s.

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        • aff10

          8 years ago

          Fangraphs gives them an 11% chance to make it today, a 3.3% chance at the deadline. They even bought, to whatever extent you can consider Miguel Gonzalez buying, on August 31. They’re not deep in the thick of things, but they are on the fringes, and I don’t see it as contradictory to recoup some future value for Darvish while still holding onto guys who wouldn’t have gotten anything of note anyways.

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          8 years ago

          It is contradictory because they lose him for their playoff push and if they had any intention of chasing that 11% they are better off with him around. And if not then TiQuan Forbes has eons more value to them than Miguel Gonzalez by virtue of not being a pending FA.

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    • bradthebluefish

      8 years ago

      The trade market was weak this season. Nearly eeryone was selling and very few were buying. GMs didn’t trust Cashner either given peripherals.

      Thus, Rangers felt like they should keep Cashner and hope the best. They are still in the playoff race.

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      • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

        8 years ago

        No, if they were still in the playoffs race they would have kept Yu Darvish. That’s not a guy you trade if you are trying to contend.

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        • cxcx

          8 years ago

          Trolling with this volume of comments.

          Rangers have fifth best run differential in AL by a good margin, firmly in the race.

          Teams in the race sell sometimes, Cardinals this year Yankees last year. Not front runners, but teams in the race.

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          8 years ago

          If they are firmly in the race WHY would they trade Yu Darvish, their best starter and the guy who would likely have taken the ball for them in the Wild Card game if it came to that!? It doesn’t matter if they got Willie Calhoun. A championship is worth more than any prospect and Yu Darvish greatly helps their chances at a championship.
          Cards are not in the race this year. Nor were the Yankees last year. Trading impact talent is bowing out of the race.

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        • Jbigz12

          8 years ago

          I don’t believe the cardinals sold anything this year. They moved leake’s contract to a willing buyer because they have the pitching depth to do so.

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  3. Whos123

    8 years ago

    He’s getting a lot of weak contact and not trying to get a lot of strikeouts. I don’t think that should decrease his value so much. The walks are also down, now that he’s settled in.

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    • aff10

      8 years ago

      This argument comes up a lot with a pitcher who’s drastically outperforming his peripherals. The walk rate is down slightly, yeah, but pitchers today really struggle to sustain excellent run prevention without striking anybody out. I can’t see why any pitcher would consciously try to finish last in swinging – strike rate, and his stuff is basically down across the board.

      If he’s doing this on purpose, it would really behoove him to start generating some more whiffs before he hits the open market, because I highly doubt teams will be too receptive to the idea that he’s more hittable intentionally.

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  4. SD Speak For Myself

    8 years ago

    Cashner: big hat….no cattle. Fragile mindset….can’t handle adversity. His market is small…he won’t shave the beard. Not worth big $. Cubs fleeced Padres…got Rizzo for this bum!

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    • xabial

      8 years ago

      he won’t shave his beard? then I guess the worst part about all this is he can’t sign with the Yankees– Wouldn’t even cut the Marlins hair policy.

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    • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

      8 years ago

      Why do people care about his beard? If you’re gonna hate on a guy, hate on him for things that matter, like the fact that he couldn’t stay healthy, couldn’t deliver consistent results and, this obviously wasn’t his fault, but he was traded for Anthony Rizzo.

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      • xabial

        8 years ago

        I wasn’t hating on his beard. I was making a joke. If the first sentence wasn’t clear, then the 2nd one should’ve cleared it when I said he wouldn’t “cut” the Marlins hair policy–The Marlins have no hair policy, it was abolished under Don Mattingly.

        Learn to take a joke, no malicious intent intended for Cashner (if you were talking to me)

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        • gammaraze

          8 years ago

          you need to learn indentations… TWCR wasn’t replying to you, and thus that comment wasn’t directed at you. Thanks for getting offended for nothing.

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        • thegreatcerealfamine

          8 years ago

          That post was totally uncalled for..

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        • AndThisGameBelongsToMySanDiegoPadres

          8 years ago

          My reply was to SD Speak For Myself, hence it being indented under his comment.

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        • xabial

          8 years ago

          That is awesome WCR. I didn’t know that. Thanks for letting me know without making me feel bad. I appreciate your respect and candor.

          I hope I didn’t come off as rude or disrespectful to you WCR and if I did, I apologize.

          Nothing but love and respect for you man, even if we disagree on anything (Which we never have, honestly don’t remember)

          PS
          It wont happen again because now I know about indents (cool! Thanks again for letting me know, always bothered me I couldn’t tell some posts were a reply to some or standalone.

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  5. dodgerfan711

    8 years ago

    2 of Cashners 3 teams badley overpayed to get him. Someone will probably do it again

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    • padresfan

      8 years ago

      Cash was on four teams
      Cubs padres fish and rangers

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      • dodgerfan711

        8 years ago

        My bad i forgot he got MLB time with the Cubs. So i guess dont trade for cashner lol. Free agent money has worked out so far

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  6. terry g

    8 years ago

    He’s a back end starter that will give you about 6 inning with managers using their bullpen more these days that’s not bad and has some value. He’ll probably pull in something in the 2/16 or 3/24 range.. Health questions may drive that down but I can see getting close to that.

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  7. padresfan

    8 years ago

    Cash is hit or miss
    He has brilliant days and he has bad days

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    • Whos123

      8 years ago

      Not anymore. It’s only been brilliant days for a while now.

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    • tharrie0820

      8 years ago

      So he’s human?

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  8. TX007

    8 years ago

    2 years for $24MM with a team/vesting option or 3 years $30MM will be alright for him.

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    • Jbigz12

      8 years ago

      No way cashner takes a 6m team option for the third year. Maybe 2/24 with a 12 mil option for the third year and a 2mil buyout or something. But he’s probably been good enough to secure a 3 year deal

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      • TX007

        8 years ago

        Where does it say it’s a $6MM option? I think you misread it or misunderstood it.

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        • Jbigz12

          8 years ago

          Yeah I did. My mistake. I thought you said 2/24 with a 6mil team option.

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        • TX007

          8 years ago

          Np

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  9. Solaris611

    8 years ago

    I just don’t see him getting anything more than 2-year offers or 1 year + option.

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    • aknott1

      8 years ago

      I agree. I don’t think he gets 3 years.

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  10. egrossen

    8 years ago

    Wrong Miguel Gonzalez listed.

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