This week in baseball blogs:
- Pop Culture Abstract writes about the possibility of the Cardinals acquiring Marlins slugger Giancarlo Stanton.
- Bleeding Royal Blue examines Kansas City’s chances of re-signing Eric Hosmer and Mike Moustakas.
- Jays From The Couch (podcast) and Clutchlings each interview Mark Shapiro, Toronto’s president and CEO.
- The Runner Sports (links: 1, 2) addresses the Yankees’ decision to part with Joe Girardi, and recaps Game 3 of the World Series.
- Mets Daddy and MetsMind have pieces on the club’s hiring of new manager Mickey Callaway.
- Angelswin.com submits Part I of its offseason primer for the Halos.
- 216Stitches details the changes reliever Tony Watson has made since the Dodgers acquired him from the Pirates in July.
- The Loop Sports evaluates the Cubs’ impending free agents.
- Camden Depot expects Trey Mancini to be a solid long-term piece for the Orioles.
- Jays Journal proposes a Toronto-San Diego blockbuster.
- Motor City Bengals has an idea for a Tigers-Red Sox trade.
- The Sports Tank contends that the World Series could make Dodgers center fielder Chris Taylor a household name.
- The Point of Pittsburgh regards the sale of BAMTech to Disney as a way for the Pirates to boost payroll in 2018.
- Pinstriped Prospects (links: 1, 2) profiles a pair of potential in-house candidates for the Yankees’ managerial job.
- Clubhouse Corner’s Bernie Pleskoff gives his thoughts on the postseason.
- The Giants Cove is none too pleased with the state of the team.
- Pirates Breakdown wonders if the Bucs should trade patience for aggressiveness at the plate.
- Call to the Pen names Phillies who are on the 40-man roster bubble.
- Everything Bluebirds sees room for improvement for the Blue Jays’ catchers.
- Ladodgerreport analyzes some of the decisions Dave Roberts made in Game 2 of the World Series.
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Pop culture aspect is a pretty bad blog on all things Cardinals-is there a better option? I feel like I’m reading something written by someone living in their mother’s basement.
Viva el birdos
Jack Flaherty or Dakota Hudson, Harrison Bader, Delvin Perez, and a mid-level prospect for Stanton? Uh, no. Like 20 teams could match or better that package.
Tommy Pham, Carlos Martinez, Flaherty, Alex Reyes and Sierra gets you Stanton, and you take on the whole contract. Still interested? Yeah, thought so. You don’t get the MVP for a handful of prospects – Stanton is probably bringing back multiple young stars and a teams top prospects.
The Marlins need to trade Stanton, so no the cost is not nearly that high, especially with the whole contract. The whole league is now aware they can’t afford to have him on the books so trading him while keeping as little contract as possible is a must. If the Cards take the whole contract, you might get Flaherty, Perez, Bader and O’neill. Thats 3 top 100s, and a former top 100 thats looking to climb back in. You aren’t getting ever best player of whichever team trades for him. 1 MVP isn’t worth 5 fantastic players by himself, let alone with that contract.
No way that anyone takes on the entire contract. He passed through waivers without any claims, every team had a chance to take on the entire contract without giving up anything.
Any GM with integirty and intelligence is not taking on Stanton’s contract. Only way he gets traded is the Marlins eat half of the value and term or a crazy owner overules an intelligent GM.
I see the deal having a clause in it that states……
“If Stanton Opts-Out after 2020……we’re all square”
“If Stanton Doesn’t Opt-Out after 2020……Marlins send $50 Million to the other team.
Marlins can KEEP Stanton if they want to.
They can cut payroll without trading him.
Here’s how they keep him/Pay him…..
Trade/give away Prado, Gordon, and Ziegler (that’s $33 Million saved in ’18…..and another $28.3M in ’19) this winter….and trade Chen after he’s healthy & has shown he can pitch (like next winter…)….saves another $22.6 in ’19 and $24.6 in ’20. DONE!!!!
They wouldn’t have got him for nothing. The marlins would’ve just revoked him
like ARod’s contract. Rangers only got Soriano and had to eat a substantial amount of of his contract.
Except that when the Rangers signed A-Roid to his huge contract, there weren’t any other contracts like that. It was an enigma. It’s really not comparable.
Today there’s plenty of similar contracts…….and once Harper & Machado sign their new deals next winter……Stanton’s won’t look so bad.
JT….I’m a Big Marlins Fan………and You’re Nuts. There’s not 20 teams that could match that package and take 100% of the contract on. There’s only 30 Teams in MLB. Grab another Beer…..and chill out.
The only way that Miami gets anywhere near that kind of package is if they pay 50% of his contract, and that would defeat the purpose.
I hate to see Big G go away, but Jeter has already destroyed Miami’s leverage, if they ever had any, but telling everyone where he wants the payroll to end up.
Stanton WILL draw a nice package of young players……but the package that you listed might get you Mike Trout!
Cards: Flaherty, Hudson, O’Neill, and Perez would be a haul for Miami if they don’t chip in a dime. But Stanton has to agree (Full No-Trade Clause)
Dodgers: Pederson, Sheffield, White, and D.J. Peters should do the trick as well. Stanton will accept that one, but the Dodgers will have to convince A-Gon to retire….or the budget is astronomical for ’18
Only a small handful of teams can take on Stanton contract, Cardinals included, but Jeter tipping his hand has just hurt himself a great deal. It will not take more than a few prospects and a major league ready player, having said that Stanton will not end up in St.Louis. Very few player want to play for Matheny, their is a reason why Oquendo is back…… just sayin!!!!
You can’t afford Stanton and your team is worthless. Enjoy losing!
Stanton’s will not end up in St.Louis
Hey stillerfan, jealousy gets you nowhere!!! Cardinals could afford Stanton. Look at Forbes, they are the 3rd most profitable team in the MLB and will be flushed with cash from their new TV deal. As far as losing….. out of the past 18 seasons the didnt make the playoffs only 4 times with 2 championships. Also they have the prospects to move to acquire big pieces. So before you make moronic comments make sure you have your facts straight!!!!
Pretty sure he was referring to the delusional Marlins poster saying it’d take multiple major leaguers (including a front line pitcher) and top prospects plus taking on all the salary…
Lol I can’t stop laughing…Marlins have to unload his contract so there goes their leverage in any deal…you actually think cardinals need to give up Carlos Martinez and Alex Reyes lol the first proposal was interesting and the cardinals could top that offer if need be
I’m in So. Fla…..and I follow the Marlins. He’s Nuts for sure.
Cards probably have the best prospects that match up with what the Marlins are looking for. Young, MLB ready (or almost ready), under team control for several years, then Arb Eligible……(I do think O’Neill is going to have to be included).
Fact is, they wouldn’t want C-Mart………but only because their objective is to slash payroll. He’s under contract for $46 Mil over the next 4 years. Doesn’t fit what they want at all.
Well kbarr that is probably the best deal ever for a player like c-mart…but I understand what you’re saying….they want prospects for the rebuild…and I’m positive the cardinals are willing to deal O’Neill…as a matter of fact it wouldn’t surprise me to learn they made the deal for O’Neill just for this reason…but that’s stretching it lol
I wasn’t suggesting that ANY team “doesn’t want Carlos”……….that would be a ridiculous statement. He’s a very talented player, and he’s still improving!
I follow both of these teams feverishly…….Marlins have a ton of MiLB pitchers, but none ready to come up.
I don’t believe that Mo & DeWitt will actually DO this deal however. They’ll chase Stanton & JD………then sign Jay Bruce to a 3/42M deal…….or Logan Morrison to a 2/25M deal……..and sign Tyler Chatwood to join the rotation………SMH
I wasn’t saying you thought that no team wanted c-mart…I was simply meaning even if the marlins are looking to cut payroll I would take on his contract if the cardinals would trade him..which they wouldn’t…but anyway, I believe the Cardinals will go big and get Stanton…but I also see them getting one of the other two marlins OF…if I knew you I would bet money that the cardinals and marlins make a deal this offseason
Funny point is…….Those two teams SHARE a Spring Training Stadium here in Jupiter Fl……so any players that change teams, still go to the same rental, same restaurants, same bars for Spring Training.
LOL
Lol come back to me when real packages are being discussed. Pham, Martinez and Reyes??? And more?? Stanton is not an MVP, not even close. He’s a great, but that contract plus his injury history, no team is going to do something like that. Marlins want young affordable arms. Flaherty, Weaver and prospect Carson Kelly is a more realistic package if MIA wants to get rid of entire contract. BTW it’s not about “20 teams” can match that offer, it’s about the combination of Payroll flexibility, contention (Stanton has NTC), and prospects. Cardinals match up with Miami well, it’s been documented tons of times. Will they just give Stanton away? No. But even Chris Sale didn’t bring a package like Reyes, Martinez, Pham, Flaherty and Sierra lol.
No way cards are givin up Flaherty and Weaver….but I agree with you for the most part
I don’t know if they would either, BUT if they really want him and a bidding war starts, those would be the names Miami asks for. We need a 3# hole hitter and someone to build our team around, but not at the cost of several important cogs and foundations.
Well I should of added that the cards will give up Hudson and Flaherty but they would putting them self in a hole for giving up weaver as he is in the starting 5 picture for next year
Agree totally cards81……… No way they give up Flaherty (huge ceiling) AND Weaver (started to prove himself in ’17).
I still think Flaherty, O’Neill, Hudson (or Gomber), and Perez/Sosa would be enough for Jeter to say yes………not sure if Stanton would agree. He’s in control here (except for the fact that he doesn’t want to stay with the Marlins if they start a rebuild)……
Honestly my belief is Hudson, O’Neill head line it and then another outfielder…plus taking on most of Stanton’s contract
So…If they accomplish that…..what happens with Piscotty? Does he go back to 1st or gets traded for pitching….??
He gets traded to a west coast team for nothing…Giants? Cardinals were already trying to trade home because his mother was sick and he wanted to be on the west coast…Stanton night very well be a dodger as they are imo the only team competing for him besides the cards…And Stanton’s desire to be on the coast
They have been trying to get piscotty to the west coast because of his moms illness…they would unload him to the Giants for nothing
Oh that’s funny.
That’s a terrible trade for the red sox of course Detroit would be interested in that.
Why is it terrible? I’m a Sox fan and like it. Travis and Chavis are and will be blocked by Devers and possibly Hosmer. The Sox need to move on from Holt, and should have 2 years ago and Romine would allow that. The 2 pitchers coming from Detroit would help the pen.
Carson smith has better stuff than either pitcher the biggest problem the red sox had in the playoffs was a setup to kimbrel. Smith with a full off-season of healthy conditioning should come back like he was previous to Tommy John. The red sox need quality not quantity especially trying to keep up with that Yankee pen all season. And just cuz they’re blocked doesn’t mean u take the first deal to come across maybe wait it out and see what else is available.
As far as utility I agree they need help but they really need to resign Nunez and that takes care of that
Nunez wouldn’t be a utility guy. He’s the starting second baseman if he resigns. We need home to be a capable stop gap with Pedroia out and even when he comes back, what will he bring?
Thornburg will be back to set up for Kimbrel, but Abad, Boyer, and hopefully Barnes will be gone. Greene and Wilson are wuality arms to add.
Dickinson Tos is a hard thing to predict ask Mets fans about Harvey. I’m not counting on Thornburg for anything so they probably need relief help but I don’t think the course of action should be trade away one of your most talented relievers for guys who don’t have his stuff. The utility guys just aren’t worth it to warrant downgrades in the bullpen and give up some decent prospects one of which might have a place next year. Totally agree they also need help replacing pedroia for the start if not further than being predicted if it had been a deal with kinsler it could warrant another look.
Wow, you Boston fans are all-in on Hosmer huh? Yeah, I’m sure that .351 BABIP in a walk year won’t totally come back in the form of a regrettable deal by whoever signs him. Might as well give him jersey #48 too.
Completely agree overdrive I’m not in on him @ all as a red sox fan I do like the idea of signing Martinez and trading Bradley.
Agree I’m staying away from hosmer, negative WAR last year
I would love to know what BABIP and being in a walk year have to do with each other…
I think he’s suggesting that Hosmer has been playing at an unsustainable level. Players tend to do that in a walk year, more so than in the middle of a contract.
That Detroit-Boston trade would be atrocious for Boston
Agreed. Motor-city hallucinations. Carson Smith alone worth more than what detroit is proposed to give up.
And I suppose Travis is a valuable prospect who could start…
That sox/ tigers trade proposal
Sigh. The Padres and Jays in a mega deal. Please! There are so many better deals out there for the Jays that it’s hard to believe I wasted time reading that.
I agree suggesting any trade this for that is mindless chatter. How about we address teams needs? And the Jays need to make some trades, but the buy low and hold strategy of current Jays management won’t allow it. I doubt we’ll see big deals from the Jays, it is not Shapiro’s style.
The Jays need a #1 starter[Sanchez finger is not resolved] , a #3 starter [Estrada is about done], an very good catcher that will do 30% of the duties[Martin needs more rest or the decline will be severe and Maile, Lopez, Montero are not the answer], a healthy 2nd baseman[Travis can’t play turf, Goins is a SS, time to cut Barney and Refsynder is terrible], A young mobile right fielder[Hernandez? Allford?]a healthy SS[Tulo can’t say on the field, move him to third and trade Donalsdon, Goins to SS], and a slew of shut down releivers [Biagini, Leone, Barnes, Koelher, Tepara, Santos, Osuna plus who? Cut Campos, Valdez, Rowley etc.]
Jays Journal.Terrible,terrible, terrible…
Usually Im the type of guy who understands it takes a lot to get a player. You can’t trade your bench players to get a superstar. But WHAT is that Stanton to the Cards proposal?? Hudson/Flaherty, Bader and Perez? That’s way too much. Stanton is a top-10 player when healthy, but given his health, amount of money owed, and new ownership wanting to shed payroll, there is no way Marlins will get that much. The Cardinals might as well push for Yelich with that type of package.
If MIA paid a good chunk of Stanton’s contract, MAYBE they’d get a package like that. But if they want someone to eat 90% or more, I don’t see teams lining up. Like I said, teams would rather trade 3 of their top prospects for someone who is efficient.
It’s all probably a waste of words anyway. Cards aren’t likely to sign a player like him, and Stanton has said that he “prefers to play on the Coast”. He’s hinting that he’d like to be a Dodger in ’18…….he’s from So Cal. I’m not sure the Dodgers are listening…..but I think they have the advantage, because Stanton would approve that deal…..without regard to what other players are changing teams.
Now……If a Team wanted to take Stanton AND Gordon together (not happening)……they’d have the advantage of the friendship between those two guys. I’m guessing that they’d love to “go somewhere and play together again”
If the Marlins are not leading the NL East by a 5-10 game margin, I guess that Giancarlo Stanton is more likely to be traded to a contending team at the next July 31 deadline. Many of the traditional teams who’ve taken big contracts in the past don’t need to or won’t do it now. Maybe the Angels bite.
That defeats the owners approach to cutting payroll. They won’t wait until mid season. The ONLY way Stanton isn’t traded this off season is if he blocks the deal.
the Pujols contract still has another $114 million dollars to go the next four years. (plus a personal services contract ten years after that). While he hasn’t been a total bust like Josh Hamilton, he’s no where NEAR the player he was for STL. Trout has another $102 million left until 2021. I don’t see Stanton is needed in LA. The Halos need pitching, pitching and more pitching.