The Cardinals have been linked to Giancarlo Stanton in trade speculation since the summer, and now Peter Gammons of GammonsDaily.com writes that the Cards are reportedly willing to offer the Marlins “one of their best young pitchers” in a Stanton trade, provided that Miami covers some of the $295MM remaining on the slugger’s enormous contract.
St. Louis is known to be looking for a difference-making bat this offseason, and few fit that description better than Stanton, fresh off a league-leading 59 homers in 2017. Acquiring Stanton, of course, will be no easy feat, even with the Marlins looking to pare down their payroll by getting Stanton’s contract off their books. Assuming Stanton, who has full no-trade protection, even approves of a deal to St. Louis, the Cardinals and Marlins would then have to work out what would undoubtedly be a complex set of negotiations to determine the players and money involved in such a trade.
The $295MM figure is enough to give any team pause, and Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak expressed wariness back in August about how large contracts can adversely impact a team’s performance. It isn’t surprising that the Cards would want the Marlins to eat some of Stanton’s contract to make a deal happen, though the dollar figure will surely hinge on just how many good prospects St. Louis is willing to send Miami.
Looking at young pitching within the Cardinals’ system, names like Alex Reyes, Luke Weaver, Jack Flaherty, Sandy Alcantara, Junior Fernandez, and Dakota Hudson all stand out as candidates to be the mystery arm on offer to the Marlins. Weaver, Flaherty, and (depending on his recovery from Tommy John surgery) Reyes are all expected to play roles on the Cardinals’ staff in 2018, however, and pitching depth will be necessary given Adam Wainwright’s struggles and Lance Lynn’s likely departure in free agency. The Cards could deal a young starter and then acquire a veteran via trade or free agency as a replacement, though that could require another sizeable financial commitment, which the club could be hesitant to make if it did land Stanton (even with Miami eating part of the contract).
Despite Stanton’s huge production last year, it seems inevitable that the Marlins will have to cover some of the money owed in order to make a deal happen. “Three different general managers of profitable market teams” tell Gammons that Stanton wouldn’t be claimed if he were to suddenly be placed on waivers, due to the financial commitment required to sign him.
The Red Sox have also been mentioned as a possible landing spot for Stanton, though Gammons finds it “unlikely” that the slugger would approve a deal to Boston — to this end, the Sox haven’t reached out to Joel Wolfe, Stanton’s agent. It has been rumored that Stanton, a California native, wouldn’t approve of a trade that would keep him on the east coast, though his only stated priority is avoiding another rebuilding situation. As Gammons notes, the Red Sox also can’t match the Cardinals when it comes to young pitching prospects that are close to MLB readiness.
Everyone is linked to the Red Sox.
Any hitter with power this offseason with have some sort of Red Sox association
Hey Jacob-any hitter with power and a brain will avoid the insane asylum in Boston.
Oh stop. Sorry the Red Sox have been better then Your Skanmees for the better part of a decade! Only week minded fools can’t handle Boston! They pay these players good money and the fans expect you to preform! If you don’t, you get booed like you should!
Ridiculous. Why would a player want to play for a team when it’s fans actively boo them?
The whole “what have you done for me lately” mentality is pathetic. I’m going to laugh so hard when Cora doesn’t deliver a division title next year.
Bet on it
Dom will probably bring in J.D. Already has a relationship with him, and won’t have to give up prospects in a trade.
You don’t think you’ll have to trade prospects to get Josh Donaldson? What the hell??
Donaldson’s not going anywhere.
JD Martinez
Thanks for clarifying.
Lol no one refers to Josh Donaldson as J.D
Can’t believe anyone thought he meant Donaldson.
Devers will play 3rd for Sox.
It will take more than a top pitching prospect. Especially if they want Miami to eat some money. Yankees gave up an everyday all star caliber player in Soriano plus Joaquin Arias who was a legit SS prospect for A-Rod.
The Rangers ate so much of the contract because of what they got in return. The Marlins aren’t expected to eat much of the contract nor will they get much in return.
And that was more than a decade ago. Marlins arent going to eat money since their goal is to cut payroll
It’s eat money for a decent return, or get nothing. Which is more feasible?
Oh yea they will eat some money. You see still cut payroll but they will for Sure eat some money
Joaquin who?
Arias
Your going to use a 15 year old trade as a gauge for what Stanton should bring in return?
You want the Marlins to get a good package which is understandable but the Marlins are in the hole on this one as it’s already known they want to deal him and other teams know they need to shed salary. Take the top pitching prospect and relief from 295mil in salary
Except A-Rod had not just gone through waivers unclaimed. Stanton could have been had for no return. Miami may choose to go that route again..
“Stanton could have been had for no return.”
Was he placed on revocable or irrevocable waivers? If the former, as I suspect, your statement is likely incorrect.
He was unclaimed period. So whats the difference. He was not claimed and then pulled of waivers. No what you are talking about before you comment
“He was unclaimed period. So whats the difference.”
When players who will obviously not be let go for nothing (like Trout, Keyshawn) are placed on revocable waivers it’s pretty common for teams to not bite and claim them. The earlier statement that Stanton could have been gotten for no return would only be true if he was irrevocably waived. Which he obviously wasn’t since he is still with the Marlins.
“No what you are talking about before you comment.”
I “no” exactly what I spoke about. You don’t understand the difference between revocable and irrevocable waivers and that caused you to say something dumb. Own it, put the shovel down and move on.
Stanton has such a ridiculous backloaded contract no team owner in right mind would agree to take it on. Not even the Angels or the Dodgers
Regardless of what Stanton wants, which obviously matters, the Cardinals are consistently memtioned because the Cards need a guy like that and they are lone team with payroll and talented prospects in surplus to offer Miami. Theo and Diamond Dave have drained out the Cubs and Red Sox. Especially Diamond Dave – that is his modus operandi
If Stanton wants to be a Cardinal, I see a trade like Miami eats $50 Million and they get Dakota Hudson and Harrison Bader
If Stanton doesn’t want to be a Cardinal – you don’t want him at any price and let him sit in Miami
As for Jim Bowden’s input – there is good reason he is an ‘EX-‘ general manager. He blows smoke all he time and almost always wrong
Stanton has such a ridiculous backloaded contract no team owner in right mind would agree to take it on. Not even the Angels or the Dodgers
Regardless of what Stanton wants, which obviously matters, the Cardinals are consistently memtioned because the Cards need a guy like that and they are lone team with payroll and talented prospects in surplus to offer Miami. Theo and Diamond Dave have drained out the Cubs and Red Sox. Especially Diamond Dave – that is his modus operandi
If Stanton wants to be a Cardinal, I see a trade like Miami eats $50 Million and they get Dakota Hudson and Harrison Bader
If Stanton doesn’t want to be a Cardinal – you don’t want him at any price and let him sit in Miami
To think it could’ve been Robby Cano instead of Arias
Yes, it’s been written that the Rangers had a choice between Arias and Cano and chose the former because they considered Arias better and more versatile defensively than Cano at the time.
The Yankees took on $112MM of A-Rod’s salary.
That’s $173MM less than what Stanton is owed.
–If Stanton doesn’t exercise the opt out of his contract. That’s what makes everything so sticky. There’s a lot of uncertainty involved.
You don’t trade on “if” he opts out. You trade on the idea of what if he doesn’t?
I agree, and that was my point. The acquiring team would be in a tough position, because if he’s good, he probably opts out. If he’s bad, or less than stellar, they’d likely be stuck. Gotta prepare for the worst.
Then we’re in agreement lol.
The thing Marlins fans have to realize is that’s a 7yr/$218MM deal (including a $10MM buyout) if he doesn’t opt out. That’s an AAV of $31MM on his age 31-37 seasons.
That’s a tough sell for teams.
No doubt.
and when you think about it how good would he have to be to get more than that for his age 31 to 37 seasons I don’t see a scenario where he opts out
He’ll opt out. He wants to play on the west coast.
And everyone opts out minus Tanaka. Salaries go up every year. Just wait until you see what this FA pitching class gets. Yuck
Rangers picked Arias and had the choice between him and Cano. Picked the wrong one
I had Stanton going to the Cards as my lock of the offseason. They have prospects and payroll flexibility.
He will be going to the Giants. They will take the entire contract and probably the 3B Prado’s (spelling?). I do not think people realize how much money that stadium generates. They are built to win now and need some drastic moves to keep the fans from jumping off the band wagon.
And what prospects do they giants have? Sorry bu the giants are in a sad state of old players and no youth. I don’t see it happening
They have nothing besides Posey,Madbum,and a bunch of bloated contracts…they’re not winning now or anytime soon.
Cobi, you’re assuming the Marlins just want to get rid of that contract at all costs. They would probably rather eat a little dough and get a decent return piece. The Giants very likely could have taken his contract in full in August without a return, or without a significant return piece, anyway.
That said, I don’t see how Miami could say no if San Franciso was willing to take Prado’s contract as well.
For the 1 millionth time…….
The Marlins don’t get to decide.
They’re not in the driver’s seat.
Stanton has a Full No Trade Clause
He….and only He….will decide if a trade is made.
Doubtful that he chooses a floundering, aging Giants Team.
kbarr, it’s understood that Stanton has a no-trade clause. It’s understood that Fowler has a no-trade clause. These are all hypotheticals, but we do know that Stanton has suggested he would rather not stick around for a rebuild,
That said, I don’t see San Francisco as a likely landing spot, either.
Sorry if I came across the wrong way but I keep seeing people who are focused on what the return is for some crappy team when we all know Stanton will reject that offer (cue in the Blue Jays, Phillies, Rangers, Giants, Mariners, etc)
If you want to really pull a rabbit out of your hat….. imagine how good the Houston Astros would be if they found a way to trade for Stanton. You know that he’d accept that one!!!! ( even if it isn’t on the coast….. and it actually is)
How do you know he’d reject a deal to San Francisco or Seattle?
When has he stated, explicitly, he won’t play there?
No, he hasn’t fully committed to much of anything, but just like many others here, I have listened to what he HAS said, and the WAY he has said it. He has made several references to what his preferences are, and what he’d like to accomplish before he retires. If you listen to the answers that he gives……..they definitely send a message. He’s been very careful about showing his hand.
That being said, Your Point that we “don’t really know” is valid. This is a discussion of “what we think will happen, and why”. Everyone wants to speculate on “how it will happen, when it will happen, where he will go, and who will come back. If that’s a bad thing, then I’m guilty.
C’est LaVie
I live in So Florida and have followed the Marlins since their 1st day. I watch most every game, and listen to the interviews afterwards. I was a Spring Training Season Ticket holder for 10 years. I’ve suffered through the Loria Ownership for far too long, and it looks like the Jeter group will be no better (hope I’m wrong).
So I repeat myself, since you never really answered the question: where has Stanton explicitly stated he won’t play in any of those places?
You made it clear that we KNOW he won’t play there. How do we know this?
You’re a die-hard Marlins fan, fill us in on first-hand knowledge you have.
All good, man. Funny you mentioned the Mariners. I’m a Mariners fan (well, I’m a baseball fan first), and I was just reading a post about the possibility of Stanton going to Seattle.
Seattle has completely turned around the atmosphere and environment, and they have a really good shot at contending next year. That said, I don’t think Stanton would want to go there, and I don’t think Dipoto has any interest in adding that kind of salary or coughing up the few elite prospects they have for the right to pay him.
The author was just speculating over what it would take, but Stanton to Seattle is a huge stretch!
If Boston is really serious about giving their offense a boost outside of 1B and willing to part with Bradley Jr., I would think he could end up in the Northeast. I keep seeing Martinez linked to the Red Sox, but there will probably be more competition to sign him than to acquire Stanton.
How do you know he would go to Houston
If they are built to win now then why would they need to make drastic moves to keep their fans?
Slugger, I have yet to hear anyone call for a complete rebuild in San Francisco, but their outfield is such a mess and they have so many questions regarding their pitching, I don’t know why a rebuild hasn’t been discussed more.
They probably aren’t ready to give in, but with the Dodgers and Diamondbacks looking better and better, maybe now is the right time for them to reload?
While I have yet to see any national level reporting declaring the Giants need to break it down, I have seen more than a few blogs saying it. From the outside looking in it appears that the organization isn’t set up for success and if it has any hope of competing they must get lucky with bounce back seasons AND over spend to bring in talent from the outside to fill major holes. The combination of an aging core and below average farm system doesn’t look promising.
I agree. It will be interesting to see if San Francisco pushes further, or concedes. I don’t follow the SF blogs much, but you would think a rebuild has to at least be a real possibility.
The tone of these comments is correct. Giants need a tear down, Management won’t concede it yet.
Stanton does not make this a playoff team, let alone a WS possibility. It only cripples them financially.
Not to mention the Rockies. The Giants are upside down on too many of those contracts to add payroll like Stanton. They might barely fend off the Padres to keep from finishing last…
Giants would benefit from moving one of Belt, Crawford, Cueto, or Samardzija immediately (possibly with some cash) if any one could fetch at least a middling prospect.
Stanton could be a feasible target if the Giants FO is prepared to pay his whole contract, but not if one or more of the foregoing aren’t moved first.
They need to rebuild. They are making a terrible mistake. You could get any prospect you want for MadBum for example. This team had its run earlier in the decade, it’s time to let go of that now though. We’ve seen it too often recently where a team tries to stay competitive even though they clearly don’t have the players anymore. Tigers, Phillies, Yankees are recent examples. They are making a terrible mistake
Also I really don’t see them having that kind of payroll flexibility. They still need to extend Madbum at some point as well.
I know Stanton wants to play out west, but do the last place giants and their lack of payroll or farm system really attract him?
I hope the Cards land an impact bat. Let it be Stanton or someone else
Even though the Cards have the pieces and the flexibility to acquire Stanton, I do not see Stanton going to St.Louis. I do however see them moving a bunch of player before the 40 man has to be set so they do not lose them for nothing. Chatter is major bullpen movement and an impact bat, not necessarily Stanton.
They could offset some of that salary by taking Fowler in the deal, which would give the Marlins a solid shorter-term replacement. Keyword: shorter. Fowler could also be moved to another team, such as Seattle, assuming he would waive his no-trade clause, to create room payroll space. My guess is that St. Louis would have to eat about 18 million to move Fowler anywhere else, but that would be just 4.5 million for each year remaining on his contract.
I wouldn’t be overly surprised if the Marlins pick up about $50 million in total salary BUT only set to take place AFTER the opt out option. I don’t see any money exchanged before then by Miami.
Dodgers are trading Cody bellinger for Stanton and the marlins are covering the entire contract I guess.
Yeah, that’s not happening. Bellinger’s athletic enough to play the outfield himself.
Its kyleschwarbersmom, they like to make no existent trades in the family.
Kinda incestuous…
It’s happening. Bed Colletti told me
I could see the Dodgers assuming the entire contract if Florida would accept McCarthy or Kazmir plus a prospect or two.
If you were Dexter Fowler, would you waive your no trade clause to go to Miami? NEVER going to happen.
Nerd, Miami could, and probably would flip him at some point, if not immediately. But what good would staying in St. Louis do Fowler if he were to lose his starting role?
He’d still start in STL. Probably LF with Pham in CF and Stanton in RF. Piscotty as the 4th, Jose Martinez as 5th/1B. Grichuk will almost certainly be traded.
Company, Fowler would be the better choice, but it’s tough to see St. Louis having the dough for Stanton, starting pitching, and a closer. They have Bader knocking on the door as well.
The Cardinals have new local television rights deal with Fox Sports Midwest worth in excess of $1 billion, that kicks in next year.
Peralta got $10 million last season and is off the books now.
Most of Leake’s deal is off the books now.
Ball park village is make the Cards a lot of money. And the attendance is almost guaranteed 3 million again.
The Cards have the money.
Cards payroll this year probably increases to luxury tax levels it’s been artificially too low for a while because of their young talent
Thanks for the update on the TV deal, Mardi. I was under the impression that there would still be some kind of limitation.
Fowler didn’t have the kind of 2017 everyone anticipated, but I think that was more due to nagging injuries. Didn’t he have a bruised heel? Still a solid switch hitter and base runner. Whether he stays, or goes, I think he will be a solid left fielder in 2018. If they have the dough, they should keep him.
Their payroll has been down, but it’s a little puzzling why they wanted to move Leake knowing that Lynn could be lost to free agency and there would be a need for another starter. If they intend to spend significantly, why move leake? Did they really not like him? I can tell you the Mariners are happy to have him.
That’s probably a bit generous. They’re not going to be pushing a payroll close to $200M. Even going to $180M is probably a bit generous. Their payroll is probably going to be around $160-$165M next year realistically.
You’re dreaming if you think most of the extra TV money is going anywhere but the owner’s pockets.
The Cardinals are a business to them, winning is secondary and useful only to maximize profit. They’ll do their best to win as cheaply as possible (and by win, I mean finish above .500)
13 playoffs appearances over 18 season disagrees with you.
Lol Jeremyr…get a clue…must be a cubs fan
The Cardinals have as much money as ANY team in MLB ! They are just smarter at how they spend it!
Four World Series appearances, and 2 World Series championships.. but you’re right they don’t care about winning.
I only see Stanton going to the Angels or Dodgers
I doubt he wants to play outside of LA he’s hinted that a couple of times.
The Angels just worked out a 5th year to keep Upton. If they’re going to take on another significant contract, it would probably more likely be a pitcher.
Dodgers most likely don’t want to add that much to payroll, same with angels. Arte is probably worried about the second coming of josh hamilton (rational or not). I think his main priority is a contender.
Company, LAD’s payroll is going to drop significantly after 2018. If they wouldn’t have to cough up too much talent and had salary coming with him, I could see LA happening.
I wonder who might be a wild card in all of this. The Phillies maybe?
I don’t think any team wants to add Stantons whole contract, but the dodgers could probably afford more than any other team. This year they are losing Crawford at 22m, Ethier at 17m and guerrero at 5m. Those 3 combined for 44m and only 38 plate appearances and a negative war.
Angels look set in the outfield, and have no room for him as a dh or first baseman. Trout and Upton aren’t going anywhere soon, and Calhoun was above league average last year, and they have pujols at dh and cron at first.
Jim Bowden reported on MLB Network Radio yesterday that Stanton has stated he is not interested in playing in STL. Most likely destination is LAD. Angels are a possibility, but Stanton holds the cards regardless of how much of his contract the Marlins eat or what prospect(s) they get in return.
Solaris, if Stanton goes to the Dodgers, it’s not going to be for Bellinger. I realize you probably weren’t implying that, but I felt it should be said. Alvarez might be in the conversation if enough salary was sent with Stanton.
Alvarez, Kyle Farmer, and Jeren Kendall for Stanton and 40 million?
I think that would be in the ballpark.
I have no idea. Do the Dodgers really need Stanton at that price, when they could go out and buy Martinez? They’d get better defense with Stanton, but that’s a significant return. Fair, but significant.
Stanton would be a beast in LA… a HUGE upgrade over Puig… Martinez is going to get at least 6 years and 150 plus million and I honestly get the vibe that Martinez has his eyes set on Boston anyways.
If what I’m reading is correct, Alvarez won’t be involved.
Thinking more of a Buehler, White, and D.J. Peters type deal….. and less money going to the Dodgers (after the opt-out has passed)
Both players would be an upgrade over Puig! They point is that they wouldn’t have to cough up prospects for Martinez.
I don’t know where to peg Martinez. I think Boston should be content with their current outfield and focus on 1B. Maybe Arizona finds a way to retain him?
Dodgers…….
I think it’s easier to find a Stud OF than it is to find a Stud 1B……and they already have a Stud 1B in Bellinger (he only played OF so he could get called up to the Bigs sooner…..then A-Gon got hurt….again)
D-Backs….
With JD switching to Scott Boras, and Goldschmidt needing an extension before he’s a FA after 2019…….I don’t see how the D-Backs could have Greinke, Goldy, and JD on the same roster.
Pollock is a FA after 2018 as well.
They could always move one the bigger contracts when push comes to shove, but they’d only have two years left with Greinke when Goldy’s contract expires. Would be easy to envision a back-loaded deal.
I’m sure Jeter would ask Stanton who he would go to before he starts tries to move him and make a deal.
Sure, that would make sense. Reminds me of Jack Zduriencik putting together a huge deal for Justin Upton….only to have Upton block the deal. Towers apparently didn’t think to put out a feeler with Upton before hand.
Idk if STL make s a play for Stanton. But Bowden is a clown.
Much like when Verlander was traded, Stanton will have some say. It doesn’t mean the team he wants to be traded to will make a reasonable, or any offer. Verlander wanted to play in Chicago, but it didn’t work out. While Stanton would be an improvement to LAD or LAA outfield, the Dodgers don’t need him and the Angels are stuck with Pujols contract. I don’t see either being willing to take his salary. It may come down to “We can trade you to team X or you can stay here while we rebuild.”. I’m guessing if that team is St. Louis, he just might say “yes”.
Well said, stymeedone. I think the Dodgers would be far more likely than the Angels, but there isn’t a glaring hole in their outfield, plus they have Verdugo just about ripe. I wouldn’t rule anything out with the Dodges, but neither LA team appears desperate for Stanton.
Would be surprising for me if Stanton were to reject a trade to St. Louis, but we have seen deals rejected before. This is considerably different though.
Dodgers could certainly use his RH thunder(that is of course they do something with Puig) and he’d thrive. The Angels are so RH already and they need pitching desperately. Given the choice of the two the Dodgers have more financially and prospects to offer…Stanton would definitely OK the Dodgers.
Don’t see how anyone can say the Dodgers don’t need Stanton when their outfield consists of Chris Taylor, whose season may or may not have been a fluke, A platoon of Hernandez and Pederson and baseball’s most famous nut job in Yadira Puig. All of these guys are talented, but none are in the league of Stanton. And remember it wasn’t just the Dodger pitching staff that underperformed in the World Series. Their bats were mostly quieted. I can’t see how the Dodgers don’t make an attempt to get Stanton. They are desperate to win it all, they will have more payroll flexibility soon and Stanton is a superstar and an LA native.
No trade clauses are great, but at some point the team may only get a fair ask from one organization and will attempt to talk the player into going there or staying home.
What if Boston trades for Stanton under the condition that Miami covers all of his 2018 salary? Boston gets the big bat while staying under the luxury tax threshold, whereas Miami likely gets a better return in terms of salary coverage or prospects.
We don’t need to stay under this year, we did last year, so the penalties are reset, were going blow past the luxury tax threshold this year!
unfortunately luxury tax hot is done via adverage salery of contract not that year of the contract
Not gonna happen… Michael Chavis and a young pitcher would get the conversation started.
I seriously doubt that the Marlins would agree to pay any of the first 3 years of Stanton’s contract. If he chooses to opt out after the 2020 season, teams will have had him for 3 years / $77 million……. a more than fair price for a Masher like Stanton.
If he chooses not to opt-out of his contract….. I could see the Marlins agreeing to some sort of salary relief.
MLB contracts don’t work that way…
“If he chooses to opt out”
Can we all come up with some sort of odds to put this at?
He’d be walking away from a 7/218 deal. That’s $31MM AAV from his age 31-37 seasons. I just don’t see him producing more to justify the risk he’d take to opt out.
thank you
This article is ridiculous, Stanton said it himself on Jimmy kimble that he would have no problem playing in Boston, and infact he said he would like to dh during daygames!!! Did gammons just miss that or something? It was reported on here on mlbtr!
Dakota Hudson, Junior Fernandez and Stephen Piscotty for Stanton and 20 million. Piscotty’s contract offsets some of the money too.
Your assumption being that Stanton want to go to STL.
pretty sure that’s not going to be an issue
no, really?? i thought this would send him to the braves?!
I think he was referring to Stanton’s “Full No-Trade Clause”…..and that a trade like that only works “If Stanton Wants To GO There”…..
Does Stanton have a no-trade clause?
I didn’t get the memo any of the 175,321 times you’ve mentioned it.
At least someone is listening…….LOL
Stanton will have leverage no doubt. But question is if there is no deal for what ever his preferred team or teams are then the success or failure of the deal will fall upon his shoulders. Obviously no rebuilding team will get a legit shot at Stanton per his NTC.
Stanton always has the opt out. And if he doesn’t like the team that makes MIA the best offer then he can go & opt out or stay in MIA and rebuild.
Imo when time comes Stanton will approve a trade to a team that are contenders or right on edge of contending. MIA isn’t close..
As a cards fan that is tempting. You can’t realistically expect to pass off dexter Fowler in this deal. This would give grichuk a final chance at putting it together while clearing out a competitor in Piscotty who was perhaps prematurely extended a la Alan Craig. Everyone wanted Piscotty to be Goldsmidt lite but that’s not happening. For as much as us cards fan have knocked Carpenter the last year he has provided power and walks like crazy. Those extra pitches he causes make up for the subpar defense and baserunning, which is almost expected for a first baseman. Carp played with a nagging shoulder injury all year and having Stanton bat behind him would maximize both his obp and therefore likely trade value. The prospect haul is good, with Hudson and Martinez. I’d offer Voit/Jacob Wilson/Valero/Arturo Reyes if Miami wanted some minor league depth. If you had to add Mercado or Gomber that would be fine imo. Cards have some 40 man issues the last 2 years making them lose Perdomo and Cordoba for nothing in the R5. They could stand to clear some space.
More like $50 million!
Interesting for sure. I suspect that Stanton’s deal right now is about market value, meaning zero surplus, meaning no significant prospects.
The opt out is a complicating factor, but it’s really hard for me to see him using it. How well would he have to play over the next 3 seasons to look at a 7/219 deal going into his age 31 season and say “yeah, I can definitely do better”. Even if he plays MVP caliber ball over the next 3 years, I don’t think he’d get significantly more than that going into decline phase.
If I’m an acquiring team, I have to assume he isn’t opting out. Even if he plays out of his mind and does opt out, I’m probably not losing too much surplus value at that price, so I’d be pretty comfortable ignoring it.
I think we can see it as a relatively normal 10 year, 300m superstar contract at close to market value. That said, if the Marlins are willing to eat 50+m of it or take a bad contract back, they can get a top prospect package. If they don’t want to pay anything, they either won’t be able to move him or won’t get much.
I would also expect that if he does get traded, that opt out gets resolved as part of the deal. I bet you could offer him 10m or so this year to convince him to opt in now, and I’m sure the acquiring team would place that much value on knowing for sure.
I’m praying they eat 40-50 million at the backend of the deal so that we can get 3 good to great prospects back. With the current core in Miami, we just need some pitching.
eating 50 million won’t get you three good to Great prospects go get you one pretty good one one okay one and a filler
I guess it depends on what you mean… I think $50m gets you one prospect in the #15 to #30 in MLB range, one at the back end of top 100 in MLB, and one who’s interesting but not a top 100 guy. So maybe we agree.
The X factor here is that none of us knows what a premiere MLB player contact will look like in three years.
However–By then we will have seen what Harper and Machado (among others) will have reaped through FA, and by then Stanton’s deal might look downright reasonable IF he continues to produce at least power at an elite level. There is the possibility that Trout might have signed an extension to his current deal, blowing up the salary expectations which have him paid $33M a year on his current contract for the next three seasons.
Besides, he might even entertain an offer for much higher AAV but over fewer years (or with team options, etc), which would free the team of the burden of figuring what to do with 2026 Stanton who is maybe by then basically a DH with a ridiculous salary.
rockies need to be in on stanton with the hope of keeping him out of the dodgers and giants hands.
rockies may wind up paying more to get him, but the kind of damage he’d do in colorado and keeping him away from the dodgers/giants would be worth it.
or, go for broke go for stanton and yelich or ozuna and give up rodgers, pint, mcmahon, and other prospects plus Desmond’s contract.
end of thetge day rockies best chance would be
rockies get Stanton and Straily or Stanton and some cash
marlins get pint, mcmahon, hampson, wall, and Desmond’s contract.
this is such an interesting situation because he’s a very good player but he costs a ton. If the Marlins eat no money they will get very little in return the more they eat the better of the return. the no-trade Clause doesn’t help things. Neither does the opt out(please no one start that moronic Narrative of the opt-out being good for the team it’s not). So it will be very interesting to see how it gose.
I’m praying they eat 40-50 million at the backend of the deal so that we can get 3 good to great prospects back. With the current core in Miami, we just need some pitching.
Man that’d really be something if the Cardinals got him. However, it really depends on what Miami wants. The Cardinals do have an over abundance of OFs, as well as some really good arms.
The Cardinals need to reduce the number of players they need to protect…..and Mo already said that we should be expecting a 3-for1 kind of deal to help accommodate that. Miami doesn’t want to take on any salary, so the trade suggested above has to be altered a bit.
I would certainly think that a Hudson, O’Neill, and Sierra deal would probably get it done….. maybe the Marlins want Hudson, Gomber, and O’Neill…?? Either way, it helps eliminate the Log Jam for the 40-man roster
I think it would take Bader, Kelly, Alcantara, Fernandez. A lot to give, assuming he would even accept, but it also clears out some 40 man spots.
Along the 40 man spots thought, I think Piscotty and Greg Garcia are probably traded, get a relief arm and some minor leaguers. Rosenthal will be non tendered, Rosario will be DFA, then there are others like Mayers and Lucas who could be lost and not really think twice about. Plus Grichuk, Carpenter, and/or Voit could all be traded. 40 man isn’t a huge issue to me they can find the spots.
I kinda thought that Alcantara might be a future closer for the Cards, so I think they’d be hesitant to trade him.
Everyone wants to trade Kelly, and I think that’s a mistake. Yadi is going to hit a wall, and they’ll need Kelly to play. That wall is coming sooner than most “dedicated fans” want to believe…..IMHO.
If the Cards get Stanton, they could put Piscotty back at 1B and trade Carpenter. Gyorko gets pretty expensive by 2019, so they should move him too (because they love Wong to death).
Grich has to get traded. There’s nowhere for him to play, and his value goes down every year that he doesn’t. Maybe he’s part of the Stanton Deal?
I don’t want to trade Kelly. But he’s not going to play, Matheny is going to keep running Molina out there as long as he can walk. Miami is rumored to be shipping Realmuto too. With Kelly they get a C to start now in his place. Cardinals also have Knizner. Knizner fits the Cardinals timeline a little better anyway. AAA 2018, start 2019 in AAA and get some MLB time, 2020 part time with Yadi, 2021 starter. Knizner is better offensively, while Kelly is defense. But I don’t want to see Kelly rot on the bench either.
I don’t see Miami having interest in Piscotty, and I think they are going to want a big time arm and Alcantara makes the most sense for the Cardinals to deal now to win now. Maybe in 2 to 3 years if won’t look as good, but if they are set on world series 2019 then Alcantara makes the most sense of their big arms.
If they are going to trade Piscotty I think Oakland would be a good fit. Let’s them shop Davis, gets Piscotty “home” and off his family issues as much, Cardinals could send Greg Garcia and Wisdom (who needs a 40 man spot) with him and get Hendriks and a couple minor leaguers. Hendriks isn’t a big time name but has similar stats to Nicasio and could serve a good set up to whoever they get to close.
I’d like to see them trade Carpenter and sign Hosmer and Moustakas. Keep Gyorko, they’d have LH hitting 1B, 2B, and 3B. Gyorko will get AB and be very valuable when injuries happen. I’d still hold onto Diaz too. Make him super utility, including OF. Look how valuable Taylor and Henandez were to the Dodgers, Gonzalez to Houston, Zobrist to Chicago. Use Diaz that way. If the Cardinals want to win in 2019 they need to make big changes and shake things up and be deep.
Kbarr in all posts concerning piscotty you say move him “back to 1st.”
Piscotty has never been a first baseman. He was drafted as a 3rd baseman and then moved to the outfield. He started practicing at 1st before his call up in 2015 because of the injuries/ineffectiveness of other cards 1st basemen.
But since you’ve also voiced your displeasure over carpenters 1st base skills in the past (when he’s basically league average there based on UZR and DRS) you’re looking at a whole new set of issues by making piscotty your full time first baseman. His swing changes led him astray last season and he has very little experience at 1st. Subtracting carpenters bay from this team would be very counterproductive in my opinion.
Also I forgot to mention, piscotty is also the only player as comparably bad at baserunning as carpenter. Basically my point is that piscotty at first with carpenter leaving is a bad idea
He did play 1st in 2015 for a handful of games……I thought it was more than that, but I just checked and it was fairly minimal.
My issue with Carpenter is well noted, and I admit that Piscotty seems to have his own issues. His defense there, plus his piss-poor base running skills add to his issues. He’s still a pretty decent ballplayer, who was hurt last year, so maybe we need to give him another shot in 2018.
Piscotty has to go somewhere if the Cards sign a Big Bat That Plays RF…….I guess he gets traded…..??
If we acquired Stanton, I would be on board to trade piscotty. I think it would be preferable actually cause we would then have 3 starting outfielders controlled for at least 3 seasons in Pham Fowler and Stanton. However I don’t agree that he needs to be traded. If the right offer for him doesn’t come, I wouldn’t mind him being the fourth outfielder. We would have trouble getting bader or Jose Martinez on the roster then though. I definitely agree with you that grichuk has to go. I think the fun part of the cardinals situation is that there’s a lot of ways this can go. A ton of good suggestions flying around here to improve the team. I’m excited to see what happens.
It won’t take that much, unless Miami is eating a lot of contract.
I agree on Kelly, and that Molina will get “way too many chances” in the coming 3 years. Sorry Yadi die-hards…..he’s been a great player……but the wall is coming.
Matheny has to find the balls to sit Yadi more often (which won’t be popular with the fans)….and move him down in the lineup when he plays (also not going to be popular).
I agree with everything else except Hosmer. I think he’s going to become “one of the most over-paid players” after this winter. He’s really NOT that special. Look at his numbers. They’re good, not great. I’m just NOT a Fan.
Besides, I don’t think the Cardinals will do ALL of these …..
1. Take on Stanton’s contract (or at least 80% of it….$236 Mil)
2. Sign Hosmer ($100-120 Mil…?)
3. Sign Moustakas ($90 Mil…?)
4. Trade Wisdom (future 3B for cheap)
I don’t think Voit is ready for Full-time. Might as well keep Carpenter for 1 more year and see if he can return to form. He’s been a solid bat in the lineup until 2017 (he was hurt, supposedly – shoulder….but he was playing golf 1 week after his season ended…). Maybe Diaz can switch to 3B until Wisdom is ready? Or just use Gyorko there.
LOTS of moving parts……..and THAT’s a GOOD thing…..LOL
Good discussion but everyone is failing to mention the hurdle of State Income taxes when it comes to Stanton waiving his No Trade clause. Florida has no State tax so a trade to a California team would cost Stanton a few million to accept a deal out West.
Really a few million off of the $295 million. He already said he wants to play on west coast. Only 1 team on west coast can afford him right now and only 1 team in playoff contention for a couple years to come. Hmmmmm.
Which team are you referring to? Certainly not the Giants.
Every million counts. 295 million doesnt go as far as use too
That is a significant factor.
The state of CA charges players tax on the games they play in that state. If Stanton plays for a non-CA team, he might have a series or two in CA (3-4 games each in SF, LA and SD for a road trip), but as a player for the Dodgers or Giants, about 65% of the games he plays would be in CA (81 games as a home player for the Dodgers/Giants, plus road games versus Giants/Dodgers [~12 games] and Padres [~12 games]).
Likewise, the Angels play Oakland a dozen games a year, and the Angels/Dodgers and SF/Oakland have interleague games each season. A player for the Dodgers, Giants or Angels plays most of the season within California, and is taxed accordingly.
This would be in excess of 100 games per season played in CA, versus a road trip as a visiting team of 9-12 games per season. This would be a significant hit on income. We who don’t earn tens of millions per year can scoff, but even still if this decision was facing us, we’d most likely request some form of revision to the deal to offset some of these losses to taxes.
I don’t know, if I had 300 million, I think I’d be willing to lose 10 million by playing where I want to over saving the 10 million playing where I don’t want to but that’s just me.
Since 2012 Stanton has played in around 30 fewer games than machado or Harper. Also Stanton is around 2 war better than Harper in that time and around 1 better than manny. Both are going to blow past his current contract. It won’t be long and stantons contract is down on the list of huge contracts. Marlins should ask for top prospects and for the acquiring team to take on salary or let them pay 50-150 million more for to sign Harper next offseason
Awesome info……puts things in a different light, for sure.
Another big factor is that a bunch of time that Stanton has missed is because he got hit in the face with a fastball…… not because he had some injury that was a result of him being out of shape or lack of conditioning.
The guy is a BEAST!
but those two players are both much younger than Stanton
Stanton’s is roughly 3 years older however, if he were to be traded he would start his 10 year $295 at age 28. Both Harper and Machado will be starting their mega deals at age 26. So its a 2 year difference. From what has been speculated over the past few years both will be in line for 10 years $350+. So the question is, is Stanton a better bet at $29.5 per year through his age 37 season or Harper Machado at $35-$40 per year through their age 36 season? I also bet a team may go 12 years for one of them if they are desperate.
It seems inevitable Stanton ends up with the Dodgers.
Dodgers had a chance to have Stanton for nothing & passed. Stanton has leverage, but again that I terest has to be mutual.
“The Red Sox also can’t match the Cardinals when it comes to young pitching prospects that are close to MLB readiness.” So Henry Owens and Brian Johnson are finally not considered prospects?
Not good ones…
Yes Cheerios good ones
No Prunes they’re not…
The Red Sox have some pretty good pitching prospects they are just in the lower minors right now. Most teams have good enough scouts though to know that and will rate them accordingly not just looking at someone’s old ratings. As usual Cheerios you should stick to what you know the Yankees.
“The Red Sox have some pretty good pitching prospects they are just in the lower minors right now”…First that’s not who gomer was talking about…Secondly the major scouting sites don’t feel that way…Third prunes know your teams strengths and weaknesses.
Stop it your clueless I can’t even talk to you about this almost all of there pitching prospects were at Greenville this year. Yeah I guess an 18 year old like Mata that pitched really well in the Sally league yup that’s not a good prospect. They have a lot of really good pitching prospects at in single A. You will find out about them next year when two or three others besides Groome will be in the top 100 prospects.
It’s great news to me that Stanton would reject a trade to the Phillies. Not that he wouldn’t be an upgrade over every player on the 40 man roster, but the financial commitment and injury issues migyt
If the Cardinals could get stanton for something like alcantara, fernandez, and grichuk they should be willing to take on that whole contract. I’m really hoping they don’t give up reyes or weaver.
Agreed but the marlins want an mlb ready pitcher…I’m thinking weaver or Reyes…they have a good lineup even without Stanton…if they get an Mlb ready pitcher they might compete…IDK your idea should be enough I just read they want someone Mlb ready
Truth is no one wants to take on Stanton’s contract
It’s not that bad for a big market team. If Stanton was a free agent wouldn’t he get $300 million? The problem is They’d only give up a 2nd and 5th rd pick since he’d have the QO.
Yes, he absolutely would.
Nobody WANTS to take on that contract, but a handful of teams happily would.
but would he really get not much more than the 295 million he already has. maybe 10/330 at absolute most
Would be interesting if would waive the no trade to STL and who would they have to give up.
The planets are aligning. Puig had his best season so his trade stock is high enough to be dealt. Crawford and Ethier’s money is off the books. And Marlins are looking to move Stanton.
Honestly that might be right…I’m a cards fan but the dodgers might make this work because he wants to play there and they have the prospects…I really don’t think anyone who could beat the Cardinals besides the dodgers…that is if he would wave his no trade clause for St. Louis …but the dodgers have to pay Kershaw next year and have been warned about their debt by Mlb already…but I’m a hopeful cards fan
There’s another $14.25 Million of dead money that also comes off the books for 2018.
Franklin Guitierrez = $2.6 mil
Alex Guerrero = $7.5 mil
Jason Kendall = $2.9 mil
Ike Davis = $1.25 mil
If they could convince A-Gon to retire, they’ll save another $22.3 Million
If they can trade Kazmir, they’ll save at least 2/3 of his $17.67 Million
These moves would free up about $65 Million……with another $11 million freed up with the departure of Utley, Mowwow, Granderson, and Darvish (their portions), although some of those players need to be replaced. Buehler, Verdugo, Toles, and maybe Trace Thompson could fill them temporarily (at a minimal cost – all under TC for ’18)
If the Angels fail to get Moustakas and Stanton is still available I wouldn’t be surprised if the Angels try to get Stanton. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Angels try to get Stanton anyways. Calhoun and Cron both likely be traded. To fill other needs. The Angels main goal right now is trying to convince Trout into spending his entire career with the Angels. Right now the Angels are looking at 60 million before the luxury tax. If they trade Calhoun for a young controlled second baseman, and send Cron for a young pitcher that could free up at least 10 million more. Which would put them around 70 million before the luxury tax. Even with taking on Stanton that would leave them around 40 million before the luxury tax. To fill third base and first base a long with a couple pitchers.
*Angels don’t benefit by trading one of the few starting LH bats in Calhoun in order to add one more RH bat to Upton/Trout/Pujols/Simmons.
*Cron won’t fetch much at this point. He’s a wildly inconsistent hitter who is now in arbitration years, about to cost serious money in light of his poor performance. It wouldn’t surprise me to see him DFA’d.
*Stanton’s contract is so ugly in view of the number of years it covers, and because it parallels an equally ugly contract with Pujols, the Angels would be highly unlikely to assume that contract just to add Stanton’s bat.
*If the Angels are truly prioritizing extending Trout beyond 2020 it makes little sense to tie up $$$ in Stanton’s deal, which costs ~$220M between 2021 and 2027.
Geo your comment makes to much sense…but you have to remember what the Angels did for Hamilton…their owner might be that crazy lol
I think if Stanton was as skilled defensively as he is offensively, then Moreno might be tempted to fire up Excel and see how the budgeting numbers work out. Honestly, I am certain the front office did this some time ago.
Part of the problem with Stanton is the amount of time lost to injuries in last few years masks any sense of consistency. His HR output in 2017 might be his new normal, or he may simply have been in unconscious excellence and the run he had be unrepeatable. We don’t know, and that is why his contract is such a crapshoot.
What is unlikely is that he will be performing at even a significant percentage of 2017 in 2025-2027 means his deal could be a significant burden for the acquiring team.
By comparison, consider Prince Fielder–his contributions to the Rangers were basically negated by the amount of time he spent on the DL and drawing a massive salary, with the team unable to make a move to replace that lost production. He cost the Rangers $60M for the three seasons he played for them (after the Tigers kicked in the remaining $12M), and he produced a net of 0.3 WAR over that time. In the first two years of the contract, the Tigers received 6.6 WAR for $58M (including the money sent to Texas in the trade).
Different players, different body types, sure. But it points out how badly these deals can end, and that has to go into the calculation of any team owner and GM considering taking on this obligation.
It’s to much of a gamble for the cards to get Stanton. Why take the risk on giving up top tier prospects when he might opt out of his contract. I think you are better off getting Josh Donaldson. You then can still get bullpen help. A closer also get some bench help.
why? The cardinals are stacked with outfielders and pitching…so much so that they don’t know who to protect in the rule 5 draft…they would still get him for three years…if he ops out it might suck but at least they can buy time for either a developed player, or another trade, or FA…the Blue Jays have made it clear that they won’t trade him…they would want just as many if not more prospects…and it might very well be only one year with him…they want a corner stone player…if Donaldson agrees to an extension then maybe…but why would he?
Kole Calhoun and a couple lower level prospects…..Stanton to the Angels!
How much more does it take if they offered one of Flaherty or Alcantara plus Grichuk for Stanton?
As a Cubs fan, I hope the Cards get Stanton. I really do.
Why? It would make things interesting in the NL central…brewers included…and to be honest would be TV friendly…I know he doesn’t like the Midwest but man it would be a battle
Why? That would make the Cardinals better than the Cubs….
It seems to me he would be more useful in the AL, but we shall see what shakes out.
Giancarlo Stanton has just had his 2nd 150 game season in his 8 year career. He will likely have more injury plagued seasons. Its an optimistic GM more than a realistic GM that will acquire Stanton at any cost. If he sits on the bench, that cost will surely be detrimental to the overall team.
Maybe a GM hoping Stanton absolutely mashes for 3 years then opts out. Get his peak without paying for his valley. I’m OK as a Cards fan with taking the risk. Provided we don’t give up too much without receiving considerable cash back.
Giancarlo Stanton
Martin Prado
$40 million in the last two years of the deal
for
Alex Reyes
Carson Kelly
Tyler O’Neill
Dexter Fowler
Almedys Diaz
Any money the Marlins cover will be on the back end so that they are profitable once they start paying for a player who doesn’t play for them any longer.
Cards don’t need Prado. StL will be needing Reyes and Kelly however.
Reyes
and Kelly are untouchable !
No they are not…the cardinals have plenty of pitching prospects and with Molina’s new deal so is Kelly…his name escapes me right now but the cardinals have another nice catching prospect in double A
I would not say they are untouchable, but I don’t think the cardinals need to do that. Something like flaherty, fernandez, voit, and grichuk should get close if cards are willing to eat the whole salary. Thats a young mlb ready OF, a pitcher either mlb reasy or only 1 year away, and a top 10 organizational prospect. Theyd probably need 1 more prospect in 10-20 range. Marlins should ask for piscotty or bader but im hoping cards can keep them as #4/5 outfielders.
I find this very hard to believe. Firstly, that the Cardinals would trade any of their top pitching prospects, since basically that’s all they have. Secondly, that they would take on any amount of money.
With that said, I can believe the Cardinals are trying to get fans exciting by thinking they will make moves to actually contend, or at least get an actual star player for the team. But in reality they just want to fill seats
Unfortunately…….that’s a distinct possibility. They’ve done that before. Hoping it’s not a ruse this time…….
It’s obvious that they need a Big Bat, but they are already profitable as Hell…..
Fans pack the stadium every year.
They use up their vacation time to fly down here to Florida and go to Spring Training!
DeWitt doesn’t NEED to increase revenues.
Their biggest issue is going to be protecting all the good players that they have right now. If they can’t protect them, they might as well trade them to improve the team (they’re going to lose some of those players in the Rule 5 Draft anyway)..
“Since basically that’s all they have”? No the cardinals have more than that…they have Carson Kelly the number 1 catching prospect…Delvin Perez a shortstop prospect…and a lot of outfielders…to many to list so I’ll let you do the research because you obviously know nothing about the cardinals farm system
JeremyR obviously isn’t completely familiar with the Cardinals Farm system, the number of quality players that are in it, the complex nature of the Rule 5 Draft, or the financial capabilities of the Cardinal’s & their owners.
He is spot on (at least historically) about the FO working the fans, and saying what they want to hear……
In addition, they probably won’t need to trade Weaver, Flaherty, or Reyes to get a deal done. Those are what most people consider their “Top Pitching Prospects”. But even if they have to include ONE of those…..they still have Alcantara, Hudson, and Gomber in the wings.
I disagree kbarr…the FO has done the best they can imo…they offered contracts to Heyward and price…those players chose other places to play…not to mention the Red Sox guaranteed they would beat anyone else for price by 30 million and they did…the cardinals have been consistent winners for awhile…a downturn was inevitable…at least they didn’t tank…and also I think that Fernandez is before Gomber but tomatoe tomato lol
I’m skeptical of their true “attempts” to sign several players in the recent past. I’m glad they missed the cut on Heyward obviously, and Price may not be worth what they would have had to pay……but I guess I feel that they haven’t shown the desire to really go after a player in a while. They seem to count on things “working out” with less impactful players, and sometimes it does.
I do have the feeling that they will do something bigger this winter. I actually thought that Leake was a good signing (my bad).
I think you and I have the same goal……”A Better Club in ’18″……..LOL
I don’t know what they were thinking with Leake…and what players were to be desired…who did you desire? I can only think of one…I thought they should have signed max scherzer. But I remember we didn’t need him at the time…I think the FO has done a good job but I will agree that they never really looked to get better…like they should have signed max and traded away someone else…moves like that could have been made but the Cardinals believe in their prospects
The Cards have a deeper minor league system than you think! It’s in the Top 10 in MLB !
Actually I looked at it the other day and mlb had the cardinals at 11…but really the cardinals should be in the top 10…although I read if it was just pitching the cards would be 3.
Hudson, O’Neil, And maybe Gomber or Fernandez would probably bring Stanton to the Cards assuming he wants to come to STL and that the Cards take on a mass majority of the contract. Stanton will for sure be in a Cards uniform next year if he accepts they have the money and the prospects to do it. Not to mention they can get this deal done without trading there 3 future stars in the rotation in Weaver, Flaherty, and Reyes. I think they should keep Alcantara who can be a feature closer, and Kelly who I wouldn’t give up on yet because it’s Yadier Molina the 35 year old injury prone catcher. So let’s say the deal happens and they get Stanton now the need to move some guys on the roster presumably out of Grichuk, Piscotty, Diaz, Garcia, Gyorko. I’m not saying trade all of them but I think they should atleast trade 2 of those guys to acquire a starter or reliever. I think Grichuk will be gone for sure out of those names but I could see and of the others on the team next year. The Cardinals could also trade Wisdom considering he is getting older fast and still doesn’t have a spot to play. Lastly the Cards need to Move Fowler to LF and DFA Rosario and do something with Lucas, Mayers, and Sheriff to provide space to keep guys from the rule 5. My projected lineup for the 2018 Cards is
Carpenter
Pham
DeJong
Stanton
Molina
Fowler
Diaz/Gyorko
Wong
** Not sure if Stanton would bat second or third because the Cards really don’t have many options for a cleanup hitter**
*Fourth or Third
Ive read that the marlins want an mlb ready pitcher because they feel they can compete and they aren’t necessarily wrong about that…so it might take weaver or Reyes
Possibly if they are willing to take on more of the contract. I don’t see the Cards giving one of them up while paying for like 90% of the contract. Not sure how much Miami is willing to pay but if I were to guess no more than 15 to 20% of the contract.
I put the odds like this:
Dodgers 25%
Red Sox 21%
Cardinals 19%
Yankees 15%
Cubs 10%
Giants 4%
Phillies 3%
Seattle 2%
Other 1%
Trading team will most likely…
Eat 100% of Stanton’s contract
1 great young player with under 3 yr exp
1 Top 5-8 ranked prospect.
Eat 90% of Stanton’s contract
1 really good young player with under 3 yr exp
2 Top 10 ranked prospects.
Eat 80% of Stanton’s contract
2 really good young mlb players w/under 3 yr exp
1 Top 5 ranked prospects.
Eat 70% of Stanton’s contract
1 great young mlb player w/under 3 yr exp
1 really good young mlb player w/under 3 yr exp
2 Top 10 ranked prospects.
I think the Cardinals have everything they need to get Stanton and that’s young pitching. As long as the Cards make an offer and Stanton agrees to go there I think the Cards will get him. The only other team I could realistically see is the Dodgers but they won’t depart with Buelher and I just don’t see it happening. And the Red Sox don’t really have the young starting pitching the Marlins want.
I say the Cards have a 70% chance to get him and the Dodgers 30%. He’s going to one of them IMO
Really depends on what they Cards want the Red Sox could make Groome available I don’t think they should do that but they do have he young pitching prospects to get it done along with JBJ who they would hav to get rid of to Moe room for Stanton. So JBJ and Groome would be a strong package for Stanton with maybe a throw in as well. JBJ would be center fielder and Yelich would move to right and the Red Sox take the whole contract on.
Can the Dodgers even take on that kind of payroll? Last year they sure couldn’t?
Miami is not getting what you think in a trade for Stanton! Plus they are going to eat a bunch of the contract to boot! Wait