10:14pm: The 2-3 day timeline is “quite a hopeful estimate,” sources tell Jon Heyman of FanRag Sports.
5:47pm: The Stanton deal is expected to be wrapped up within the next 2-3 days, Craig Mish tweets.
4:41pm: The Cardinals are offering to take on more of Stanton’s money than the Giants, according to Craig Mish of MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM (Twitter link).
3:17pm: Neither the Cardinals nor Giants have set timetables for Stanton to make a decision, Bob Nightengale of USA Today tweets.
1:58pm: The Marlins have agreed to the “general framework” of Giancarlo Stanton trades with both the Cardinals and the Giants, Jon Morosi of MLB.com reports (Twitter links). Buster Olney of ESPN suggested earlier this week that was the case when the Stanton camp (him and agent Joel Wolfe) met with those clubs.
Whether a deal ultimately occurs with the Cardinals or Giants will depend on Stanton’s willingness to waive his no-trade clause to join either club, which looks far from certain. In fact, Jim Bowden of SiriusXM tweets that the Dodgers are the only team he’d agree to waive his no-trade rights for as of now. Bowden adds that the Giants would have a better chance than the “long shot” Cardinals of landing the right fielder if the Dodgers were to pass on acquiring him. A Stanton trade is not expected to come together Sunday, per Mark Feinsand of MLB.com (Twitter link).
The 27-year-old Stanton is a Los Angeles native who grew up rooting for the Dodgers, so his desire to join them more than anyone else isn’t surprising, especially when you consider their on-field success. Having never even played for a .500 team, let alone gone to the playoffs, since making his major league debut in 2010, Stanton made it clear during this past season that he’s tired of losing and wants to compete for championships. Stanton would likely get his wish to play meaningful baseball into the fall with the Dodgers, who are fresh off a National League-winning campaign, but Morosi reported earlier Sunday that the big-spending club is wary of the luxury-tax implications that would come with reeling in the NL MVP.
Stanton is due $295MM over the next decade, and while the Marlins could eat a large portion of that in order to maximize their return for the 59-home run man, Olney reported Saturday that Miami’s primary goal is to get Stanton’s money off the books. That would seemingly be a problem for the Dodgers, who will incur significant penalties if they run a mammoth payroll again in 2018. The Dodgers spent $237MM-plus in each of the past several seasons, and if it happens again next year, they’ll have to pay an extra 45 percent surcharge tax. Additionally, their top draft pick for 2018 (No. 30 overall) will drop 10 spots. Jason Martinez of MLBTR and Roster Resource currently estimates LA’s payroll for next season to open at $208MM-plus, but that’s obviously without factoring in Stanton or any other potential additions.
Meanwhile, although the Giants are already near the $197MM luxury tax for 2018 (they have upward of $190MM in payroll commitments), they’re reportedly willing to take on the majority of Stanton’s money if he’d waive his NTC to go to San Francisco. The Cardinals have far less money on the books for next year ($127MM-plus), but it’s unclear how much of Stanton’s money they’d add in a trade. Of course, along with the cash left on his deal, Stanton’s ability to opt out of the pact after the 2020 season has added another complication to trade talks between the Marlins and other teams. Despite the roadblocks, though, the cost-cutting Marlins are seemingly in position to ship out Stanton if he green lights a move to St. Louis or San Francisco.
Just end it please
O.M. Gosh, like totally same. Like nobody can concentrate on anything with all the drama Giancarla has been causing lately.
Hopefully you’re 12.
Like, omg, I am
It’s unfortunate children are allowed on the internet. Too many children are taken seriously when they don’t even know what they are talking about. Usually trying to get laughs or be sarcastic, and of course insulting people. This site has been swamped with children the last year or so.
Who is going to stop them chilen from getting on the internet? I shoe know I ain’t going to stop them. And what so wrong wit trying to get laughs? Making people laugh improve there day. Are you anti-fun? Donezo funzo?!?
Get off my lawn
You seem smart.
Wut?
I agree
So his options are SFG, STL, Miami or holding out for the Dodgers.
I’ll bet he holds out lol
I hope he gets stuck in Miami for 10 more long years of losing !
Why? Why wouldn’t you want to watch one of the best players preform on a bigger stage and get more exposure? Why do you care where he wants to play?
I think he is just tired of Stanton holding the baseball world hostage until he gets his way. Besides, it is the Marlins own fault that they are not a bigger stage. Miami seems to be a big market in the NBA with the Heat, but all of a sudden they are a small market in MLB with the Marlins despite a huge Latin community? A player that can’t make up his mind paired with a franchise that is constantly rebuilding seems like a match made in heaven.
“Stanton holding the baseball world hostage until he gets his way.” is maybe the worst possible take I’ve seen on this topic. Stanton’s not the one shedding payroll.
Because he knew what the Marlins were when he signed his mega deal that makes it all but impossible for him to go somewhere else.
Everyone with an ounce of common sense knew that prior to the new ownership, the MO was to load up, make a run, sell off, lose a lot, repeat. No a new ballpark wasn’t going to change the fundamentals, it was just to make the ownership richer.
He signed a deal anyway. He even signed one with an opt-out, which is the least team-friendly most selfish thing you can possibly do with a contract. He deserves what he gets, and I definitely hope it’s not a trip to St. Louis.
I bet you think/thought Heyward is/was one of the best players as well.
Wow, defending owners over players huh? Cool guy.
If an opt-out “is the least team-friendly most selfish thing you can possibly do with a contract,” then the far more common team option is the least player-friendly most selfish thing a team can do with a contract.
i know, what a scumbag Stanton is for FORCING them to give him an opt out as if its a normality on the market or something
I disagree. Stanton is coming off as an ass. He may be a nice guy, and I don’t blame for exercising his rights. But if he’s trying to force a deal to a team that’s not interested, then I hope he stays in Miami and enjoys hitting home runs in meaningless games.
He comes across as a guy that knows where he wants to play. Nothing wrong with that. If you could play like him, wouldn’t you want to choose your team? Or would you be ok with 10 years as a Marlin, Padre, or White Sox?
Agreed I blame the Marlins for this fiasco, they should just make this happen, so what it takes
What does he owe the team?
The Marlins knew what they were doing when they gave Stanton the opt out and giving him all that money. Quit making excuses for the short-sightedness of ownership.
He signed that deal with the old ownership group. Hard to blame him or the new ownership group’s desire to slash payroll.
So, in essence, you do actually blame him for exercising his NTC.
I’m still perplexed why anyone would side with an owner over a player in any possible circumstance.
No but he’s the one who signed a 10 year deal to play in Miami.
So if Miami wanted him for 10 years, why are they trying to trade him?
He was, what, three years from free agency when they offered him the largest contract in MLB history. Why would he turn down generational money? Also, it was Jeter and company who first approached him and said, “we want to trade you because we don’t want to pay you the money left on your deal.” Again, I have no clue how you can blame Stanton for this.
Jhind……Why Is It A Fiasco?????……LOL
What did you expect him to do – not sign for favorable terms? Yeesh.
It takes two to tango – The Marlins offered him the contract, and now the Marlins want to get rid of the contract. Direct your displeasure towards them.
They knew what they were Buying. Don’t give them any credit…….
Yeah because his no trade clause doesn’t matter whatsoever
He has the contractual right to “get his way”.
Why do you care why he cares?
No one is holding anything hostage until they get their way.
They don’t even have any deals locked in to present to him.
He has the right to reject any trade. Deal with it.
But it’s not ten years because he can opt out after two or three (can’t recall which). He can go to St. Louis for a spell and still run to L.A. in a few years if he wants.
To play baseball and whatever charitable appearances that the contract dictates.
How is he coming off as an ass? He has a no trade clause and he has every right to use it. There isn’t even an indication that he has used it, it is all just speculation right now. Lot’s of players have no trades and they get used often, does that make them all asses as well?
And I’m sure Loria sold him on building a contender with their new look and new ballpark only to turn around and bail on all of it. I personally don’t like big contracts like the one Stanton got but I certainly don’t blame him for taking it.
^^^Yes. The team (and the new ownership group) decided they don’t want Stanton and his contract any longer. Not the other way around. He should absolutely use his NTC to dictate where he goes next.
I hope nobody ever thought that.
I agree. No matter what team Stanton goes to, he opts out to try and get to LA. The issue is does LA go after Harper, Machado and the big FA class coming.
Very well put! I couldn’t have said it better myself. Thank You. The Marlins have made their own bed, now let them lie in it!
No! I think Heyward is the most overated
and overpaid player in MLB !
He had an opportunity to play for the team he wanted had he waited for free agency. The players and MLBPA fought long and hard to enjoy free agency: to play in the city they want, fight for their salaries, no trade clauses, opt out clauses, and choose what is valuable to them. He sold that right to the Miami Marlins for 13 years and $325 Million. So to me, he comes across as a guy who has seller’s remorse (selling himself to the Marlins knowing full well who the Marlins have always been).
Daniel gets it. It was blatantly obvious that the Marlins never had any intention of paying the whole contract so idk why Stanton thought they might. Shame Jeffrey Loria gets to just wash his hands of the issue.
I agree, why sign that contract then when you could have hit the open market as a free agent
$300+ million is pretty hard to walk away from, I would think.
I think if the Dodgers could take him on it would be a done deal. He just needs to puck STL, SF, or stay in Miami
Holding out is the same as choosing Miami. Dodgers not taking on that salary. Besides in 3 years he can go to the Dodgers if they want to pay him, also not a given
Off course, $ is the determining factor not winning! Then we will see either club realize that one plyr won’t make a difference unless they are one plyr away, ie…Barry steroid!!!!!!
Dollars are the difference for MIami, not Stanton. He has a contract that must be honored. You could say all three of those teams are one player away.
SF was on a good run, before they had some injury problems this year.
Yep!!
If he holds out until the Winter Meetings on the 10th, the Marlins will just keep him and trade away Gordon, Yellich, Ozuna, Zeiger and anyone else that another team will take off their hands. They know that Stanton will not stick around past his opt out, so they in no way have to trade him now. Ozuna and Yellich will both bring in a package of prospects that is larger than what Stanton will get them, so they can just keep Stanton.
I bet your WRONG
You bet his wrong what? Finish your sentence.
With the winter meeting next week we are nearing an end to this saga
The Giants situation makes no sense for Stanton. They’re essentially the Marlins. He’ll be in a similar situation in a few months.
Cardinals make the most sense for him, but I still would rather hold him, and trade most everyone else. Trade Ozuna to St Louis
basically every meaningful player they have except Posey underperformed or was hurt last year. They *could* rebound
If every player underperformed it might just be who they are. Remember the 2nd half of 2016 they were awful with everyone healthy.
Bullpen is garbage, they’re old, they have no depth, and no farm system. They have no money to spend, especially if they grab Stanton. They’re literally an older version of the Marlins, except they have Bumgarner, while the Marlins lost Fernandez.
Couldn’t agree more. It’s interesting to think about how the Marlins’ situation might be different right now if Fernandez was still around. Team would be at least a few wins better, higher attendance (especially from the Cuban/Latin community), higher revenues, etc. RIP Jose.
Brixton…I understand that the giants would have a chance if those players made a rebound and the giants made the playoffs maybe another WS…although that is very doubtful…but then what about next year…then the next…those players are not going to be much..and with a bad depleted farm system they will not be any good…even though the Giants have tons of money they won’t be able to buy a team that fast and will always be crippled by the luxury tax…I don’t get the sense in why the giants would do this to themselves
The 60 plus run defensive improvements alone of adding Stanton, Gordon and Cain or Dyson would improve their record by 15 or more wins.
Then you have to take into account the improved offense. How many more wins is Stanton worth than Pence? Gordon than Panik? Cain than Span?
Then you have to take into account having Bumgarner and Cueto for an additional 26 starts instead of the 2 guys that put up a 5.74 ERA while replacing them.
That does not take into account any improvements by Moore or Blach or any of the guys returning from injuries like Melancon. Does any intelligent person really believe that Melancon is going to put up a 4.50 ERA again? His FIP was 3.22 so 2.50 is more likely than 4.50. Dyson, Strickland, and Gearin is a pretty good setup crew.
Last, but certainly not least, the Giants will be going all in if they are adding Stanton to the payroll. That means additional signings or trades.
To say they have no chance of contending with Stanton and Gordon on that squad is just not realistic.
After next season Span and Pence will be gone and that actually is about the same salary combined as Stanton.
Outinleftfield I understand that but the Giants future will be all but done…so does Stanton want a chance to repeat for one year maybe two and then the giants collapse under the weight of bad contracts and no farm system…Stanton will make them be good for maybe next year…and that’s a big maybe…of course if the giants get Ohtani then that changes everything…that’s why Ohtani will sign before Stanton
WTH are you talking about.
2019 Giants
1B – Belt
2B – Gordon
SS – Crawford
3B – Arroyo
LF – ??
CF – Cain
RF – Stanton
C – Posey
Bumgarner
Cueto
Shark
Moore
Melancon
Smith
And a $184 million payroll.
They are far from done in the future.
Lol why do you include Gordon on 2b and Cain in center…I realize now that you are an irrational person
Ya, I was wondering how they have the money to grab Cain and take on Gordon’s money, and still somehow go get some bullpen help in free agency, after potentially taking on Stanton. Even then, they’d have very little depth
Maybe, just maybe, it is because Gordon is rumored to be in the Stanton trade and this site says Cain will end up in SF and that SF needs a CF. Keep your eye on the ball.
Rebound into 2nd place, need to get Booby Evans out, he could mess up a wet dream!!
Don’t confuse possibility with probability ! The Giants ” Could” rebound
and win it all, but it’s not gonna happen !
I would rather have Ozuna from Cards perspective It isn’t like Stanton will wind up on a playoff team you have to play against – just do an end run and grab Ozuna and move on
Dodgers dont want or need him and Giants and Marlins will both smell like dead fish with him or without him
Obviously, Weaver is probably off the table at this point, I’m not as high on Flaherty personally, and Reyes is injured and I doubt they’d be trading him either.
What about Ozuna, Barraclough, Ellington, Nicolino, and Ziegler+ $4.5 million to the Cardinals for Bader, Gallen, Gomber, Arozarena, and Helsley? Is that too many prospects in AA or higher going back? Would it have to be reworked to include Flaherty instead of 1-2 others? I’d be willing to trade Wittgren in deals, but he’s coming off an injury, so his value is down. Would the Marlins have to include someone like Conley b/c of less control on Ozuna than if they would have traded him during the season?
The Giants might consider Lorenzo Cain and some bullpen help in free agency, which probably makes more sense for them
No way the Marlins would trade make that trade.
Ozuna alone will bring back 1 if not 2 top 100 prospects.
Cardinals get Ozuna
Marlins get Bader, Hudson, and Jones
If the Cardinals want Barraclough in addition to Ozuna, they’ll have to add extra pieces.
As a Marlins fan, I’d take the deal I mentioned in a second. It gives them an OFer that can potentially step in right away, and much needed depth close to and a bit further away from the big leagues, especially the arms. Also cuts payroll, by saving on half of Ziegler’s deal, and moving the $11 million projected on Ozuna for this year…for the Cardinals, they don’t have to Lose any too prospects, besides Bader, who is blocked anyway. Still lose some depth, but it’s covered by their other prospects. Both teams would get what they want here in my opinion
San Francisco has won three World Series in the past eight years.
The Giants, with an Opening Day payroll of $172 million this year, are not the Marlins, who had an Opening Day payroll of $112 million.
Not just 3 WS in the past 8 years. But 3 WS total since 1954!
Until 2010, the Giants had not won a WS since they were in NY
Now they seem primed to wait another 63 years
Ignorant statement. “Basically Miami?”
The Giants are willing to spend to win. Whatever the cost. Bad seasons do not define franchises. Winning culture is a factor.
Miami is dropping payroll like its the thing to do. They’re not going in a winning direction anytime soon.
Why would Stanton pick that over playing for a big spender with sell-out crowds pretty much every night.
OMG YES!
Think this is bad? Wait til Ohtani starts interviewing teams.
At least there is a deadline for Ohtani signing though. They can drag the Stanton trade/non-trade throughout the entire off-season if they want to.
No they can’t. They won’t because the trading partners will walk away. No team is putting off the work they need to do in the off-season for much longer. What if the Marlins delayed until February, the Cards and Giants both waiting. what does the team that loses out do? If you don’t move, you could be totally screwed. Those offers have a shelf-life.
Including the Marlins. If Stanton doesn’t accept a trade very soon, the Marlins need to start trading away players to meet their $90 million payroll goal before their possible trade partners fill those needs. The deadline is the Winter Meetings. That is where a huge portion of trades are made every year.
At least with Ohtani he only has 21 days to sign.
In actuality, Shohei really has less time. Next week will be wiped out with the Winter Meetings. That’s why he’s in LA this week to meet with representatives of the clubs he has on his short list.
I’ve been surprised before in my 30+ years as a baseball writer.
But it makes all the sense in the world for Ohtani to sign this week, then let his team go to the Winter Meetings knowing Ohtani is part of that team. Especially given his desire to be a two-way player. CAA, his agency, will realize this too.
On the other hand, Ohtani could wait to see what the teams he likes do at the Winter Meetings, and then decide before Dec. 22. But I have a feeling there’s a real purpose to Ohtani being in LA this week, and that’s to get it over and done with.
I can see it now, “ ‘Ohtani SHOWS interest in Mariners at Winter Meetings. ‘ Ohtani might be going to Seattle after inadvertently walking into the Mariners camp at the Winter Meetings ; an error on a map publication switched the locations of the Dodgers and Mariners. In other news, water is wet and Jerry Dipoto makes another trade to release his excitement after the Ohtani incident. “ This statement brought to you by hypothetical news sourcing.
To Clarify on my “hypothetical joke”, Ohtani will sign with an NL team more than likely. Best case scenario he fills in a role like Mike Leake with the Reds. He’ll hit in games he pitches and become an OCASSIONAL pinch hitter/runner. I’m sure I was disliked by Yankee and Dodger fans.
I agree. SF could point to Bum and tell Ohtani this is how we’ll use you. Bum even batted in starts in inter-league games bypassing the DH. I think endurance could be problem for Ohtani making his starts and DHing in the AL.
SF
The Rangers will get Ohtani by a landslide.
Stanton already said he prefers the west coast, then the east coast, then the Midwest. So’d you have to assume that if he approves the trade he’s going to SF.
He also said prefers to win. Cards have a better chance at that going forward imo.
Stanton didn’t say that at all. Unnamed sources who admitted they were not sure about what he wants, expressed the idea that that is what he wants.
He said no such things. THose were never confirmed.
He did say he didnt want to fo through another rebuild. So do you really think he wants to lose?
bleacherreport.com/articles/2736089-giancarlo-stan…
I’m hoping it’s for Stanton and Gordon, maybe Ziegler too if it’s with the Cards. If not, let the Giants have him and give us Ozuna, Gordon and Ziegler.
Leave Ziegler out, I don’t think he’s really going to rebound that much. With how the bullpen has been, I’d prefer more secure options.
Ziegler was used really poorly last year. He still retained an elite GB%, and he was only bad in a couple of stretches. I think he has value at half the contract, if the Marlins eat some of the money
Why would the Cardinals want Gordon? Wong, Carpenter, and Gyerko are all better options at 2nd for the Cardinals, and already on the team.
More non-news smh
So it’s pretty much settled then.
Can’t say I blame him. Who wants to live in St. Louis, instead of Miami or Los Angeles??
Players who love baseball tradition. Like playing in front of 40k every night. Last I heard you don’t have to live in the city you play in.
And he doesn’t get that in LA?
LA hasn’t shown any interest in him. Personally I find LA to be one of the least desirable places in the country to live. Stanton however clearly wants LA and if LA was an option there wouldn’t be a question this would be over
The Cardinals drew 3.4 Mil. The Giants drew 3.3 Mil. Very little to choose from, attendance -wise.
But, you gotta live close and he gets that in LA. It doesn’t matter if LA is interested or not, he is holding out for what he wants.
If Miami wants to get rid of him, he can force a deal in which they accept less value in return.
Stanton can’t force anything. All he can do is approve or disapprove the trade that the Marlins accept. The Marlins can keep him and they have already told Stanton that if they can’t find a trade that is good for the team and that he will approve that they will keep him and trade away enough other players to get payroll down to $90 million for 2018.
Can live anywhere on Earth 6 months of the year. Who wants to lose for the next decade, being the Giants have 0 farm and the last year and a half haven’t exactly been promising.
He doesn’t need to lose for decade just two years than he can rightfully choose any team he wants to through free agency
Three years.
I wouldn’t minimize living half your life somewhere that’s not where you want.
Perhaps the approximately 1 million people that live in St. Louis county.
Something like 2.6M in the metro.
I’m sure most of them want to move. Trust me. I’ve been to St. Louis. Probably just staying because they can’t afford to move, or they have family there that they don’t want to leave.
Why does everyone assume since he plays for STL he has to live in STL? He’s currently playing for Miami but lives in LA. Nothing will change if he really wants to win.
He lives in Miami during the Season……Penthouse condo overlooking the Biscayne Bay/Atlantic Ocean.
I think anyone with at least two functioning brain cells understands what “move” means, when you’re a pro sports player.
It doesn’t necessarily mean you’re spending every waking hour of every day (aside from road games) there, but it does mean that you’ll have to spend MOST of your time there — and if you hate the city, it most definitely won’t make you happy to “move” there.
Also, if one has a family, that would complicate matters immensely, as you have to decide if the children will go to school their, etc.
I don’t know if he has a family. I don’t care if he has a family (and I’m too tired to look it up), but is anyone able to read between the lines, or does everything need to be spelled out??
I hear the Mets offered to take Stanton for 1/2 his contract and bag of fungo bats. In other words, enough already about Stanton news.
SO, stop reading and commenting.
Well he has 4 options he could go to The Giants to be closer to home and have a chance to contend. He could go to the Cards and have a gods chance to win in 2018 and beyond with a younger team. He could stay in Miami and hope all goes well, or he could wait and see what the Dodgers do. If I had to put money on it I would probably say he will end up in SF but I think the Cards are his best option
Good*
Actually a 5th option exists. Stanton could decide to just not play this year until everyone does what he wants. He just might find out that life will go on without him.
Except for yours. You seem fixated on him. He hasn’t asked you to read, comment or even care. Move on with your life.
He isn’t holding any thing up. There are no deals presented.
It will come down to the Giants and Dodgers, but I’m not who gets him.
No, you’re not who gets him.
Slider is probably the mystery team
They aren’t the same as the Marlins. With their interest in Stanton, they are clearly looking to make another playoff run. Stanton would be just the beginning of their shopping this off season. They still have a fair amount of talent on the team right now. With some good health and the right acquisitions in addition to Stanton, a wild card spot is very much a possibility.
Right now they might have a chance at a wild card spot with Stanton…Stanton wants to win for more than one year…the Giants future is bleak…luxury tax and no farm system…they might have a wild card next year but they have no future of winning
Stanton to Giants
Ozuna to SF
Yelich to NY
Ohtani to Mariners Padres or Blue Jays
yeah that’s not happening
Clueless
So the Yankees get to trade for Ozuna and give nothing up?
Refsnyder for Stanton, straight up!!
Let’s go Cardinals. Let’s hope Stanton comes to play for the St Louis Cardinals. This is getting real good.
I so wish this wasn’t public news… nothing against journalists covering this saga. I was so eager to read about the multiple signings that should have occurred by now.
Heh..Maybe 70% or some such number, of all public news shouldn’t be made public.
You so wish this was not public news that you took the time not only to click on the link, but to also comment on it.
There are only a small collection of teams even interested in trading for him. THose other teams are not held up in doing anything.
If this breaks the dam on other action, let’s have a trade, we can spend some time making fun of whomever we thought got the worst end of it, and move on to other moves. I’m tired of this one.
I wouldn’t mind seeing him play for the cardinals. I know people have mentioned Stanton holding out for the Dodgers but I think they should focus more on pitching instead of getting another hitter
Seems like he will be a Giant. He will be on the West Coast and still close enough to home and will play at home more than he normally does.
Dodgers fans hate the giants… he’s a dodger fan. I doubt he wants to lose to the dodgers for the next 10 years
If he’s such a huge Dodger fan that he would forego playing for the Giants why didn’t he just wait until he was a FA and sign with LA instead of signing a 10 year extension?
Question: If Stanton is an LA guy and a Dodgers fan, would he want to play for their arch-rivals? He stays in Miami until Dodgers say “time to come home.”
I was wondering the exact same thing. You’d think he’d dislike the Giants being a Dodgers fan. The only thing is I think if the Dodgers don’t try to really trade for him he might still go there because he wants to get off a team in rebuild mode and he will be coming back to the West Coast and still close enough to home where he can take a 7 hour drive back home or a quick 1 hour flight or whatever it is. I think he ends up with the Giants but I was really wondering if he’d want to go there being a life long Dodgers fan.
I wonder if other teams will try to deal for him? Dodgers, Angels, Oakland, Arizona and Seattle are good fits for him too, in terms of contention windows. I mean if the Marlins are settling for such bad prospect returns, then other teams might start to thinking…
Among the Dodgers, Angels, Oakland, Arizona and Seattle, you can eliminate all but the Dodgers. There is zero possibility of any of those teams taking on a large portion of that contract, which is what Miami wants.
Don’t let penny pinchers or people who can’t afford a mlb team purchase a franchise. They read the books and knew whether team cash flowed . Stanton shouldn’t be made the villain.
If he doesn’t want to stick around, and he doesn’t want to facilitate an exit, then he is a villain.
How about you wait until he is actually presented with options?
So it’s up to Stanton now to make a deal happen…or not. We’ll see whether he prefers San Francisco, St. Louis or if he will just wait out in the hopes his fave the Dodgers decide to enter the sweepstakes at some point. Almost sounds like the NBA. lol
If Stanton selects one or the other shortly that should start the offseason dominoes to fall just in time for the winter meetings that commence a week from today. The other major hang up is Shohei Ohtani who will need to sign by December 22nd but reportedly will narrow his finalists down to 5 teams by tonight. That will eliminate 25 suitors who can then continue with their remaining offseason wish list.
Couldn’t the dodgers work out a deal where Miami covers Stanton’s salary this year in order to get under the luxury tax and then the dodgers take it on starting 2019?
It’s pretty dire and clearly a straight dump. There seems to be a clear reason why they wouldn’t even enter into the Ohtani sweepstakes. They aren’t taking on dead or deferred money. If Stanton decides to wait the Marlins probably move to plan B:trade Gordon, Ozuna, Yelich, Straily and make up the other 7M between a discounted Ziegler, Tazawa.
No, the average annual value of the contract is what counts against the luxury tax, not the actual amount paid in a given year. Under the arrangement you suggested, it would just reduce the amount that counts against the tax by about 3 million per year.
I’m not sure if you’re commenting on my post, but if you are AAV matters not one bit to the Marlins. They aren’t close to the luxury tax threshold and it’s going to be the real money aspect that matters the most to them.
Miami is open to trading Stanton because they need to get payroll to $90 million in 2018. They have indicated they are willing to eat part of Stanton’s contract from 2021 and on, but not a penny before that. If he opts out, then the team that trades for him will have received an incredible deal with no further payroll liability. If he stays then the Marlins are kicking in money to offset the $218 million he is owed from 2021-2028. In no scenario will the Marlins be picking up any salary for 2018.
They can also get to that $90 million mark by trading Ozuna, Bour, Straily, eating $6-8 million on Prado, and trading him, eating half of Ziegler’s contract, and trading him, and pretty much salary dumping Dee Gordon,eating maybe $2-3 million per…
Choosing the Giants makes no sense to me. If he’s truly a Dodger fan, why would he play for their main, hated rival-not to mention the Giants have been horrible since the all star break in 2006. He’s got to understand that if they trade for him, they are handcuffed financially to improve and they’ve just traded the best of their farm system to get him. Makes no sense.
If he’s a Dodgers fan, go to Saint Louis for three years, make the playoffs for three years, elevate your fame in a baseball focused town, opt out and sign with dodgers for even more money.
Since 2006? You do remember the Giants won the World Series in 2010, 2012, and 2014? Pretty sure they were a good team until last year. 2015 were 84-78 with numerous injuries and 2015 lost to Cubs in NLDS. This is coming from a Cards fan. Giants need help, he helps.
Obviously a typo 2016. They were the worst record in baseball after the all star break (or very close to it) in 2016. Terrible farm system. No prospects in top 100. Finances stretched already. He makes the giants better like he makes the marlins better. Fandom is irrelevant.
Purely from a baseball standpoint, I’d pick the Cardinals. Completely meaningless as I think both teams will continue to put an effort into building a “winning team” and of course, I’m not an amazing athlete =P I just want to see the first major move happen already b/c every day Jeter looks worse and worse.
I love all the comments acting as if the Giants are some team in the gutters because they had a bad season and a half… They are not in great shape, but they are not the Marlins either. They can turn it around quickly. Though of all the teams involved the Giants need a player like Stanton the most.
In the end, it’s all in Stanton’s hands now. He has all the power to decide where he goes. He can either contend right away with the Cards, play on the West Coast with the Giants, stay in Miami, or hold out hope the Dodgers will eat a massive tax penalty to take him…
Bowden is an idiot. Yea, who wouldn’t want to come home and play?! But is paying an extra 13 to 17% in CA state taxes worth it?!!
He’s making enough where that extra tax is chump change. So yeah, I’d say having the chance to play for the team he grew up rooting for is Well worth it.
We don’t know if he values playing in LA over an extra 50M lol
Sure it will be worth every penny for Stanton. He’s rich and can afford them high taxes. Let him go home and play. And let’s be done with all of this crap and get on with some real baseball news we all have been waiting on. Geeez
Dodgers haven’t won since 88
Prior to 2010 the Giants had not won since they were in NY. In 1954. And given their current state it will be quite a while
I’ve been religiously checking this every 2 minutes for the past hour.
My whimsical and brain dead sources tell me what’s most important to him is the colors of the uniform. His favorite colors are black and orange, his Lamborghini, Ferrari and Porches are black and orange, plus he likes black and orange colored pasta. This is going determine who he agrees to sign with. Sorry STL but what a tough way to lose the lottery huh?
I got so much crud for saying this when it was announced that Stanton and his agents were meeting with the Giants. Now it’s being confirmed. Can I say I told you so?
You want a cookie or something? You want some milk with that?
Ahhhhh, how cute. The wittle boy is angry because he never gets anything right. How did that last “he’ll never sign an extension” work out for you?
Being condescending doesn’t help your argument. If you were actually as smart as you think you are you wouldn’t have such an over-the-top reaction every time you get one thing right. Act like you’ve been there before.
It went pretty well considering Upton would have gotten more money FROM THE ANGELS if he had just waited out free agency.
And I like how you fail to address your constant downvoting of my comments. It’s so obvious because every one of them has 3 downvotes and every one of your comments has 3 upvotes. I’ll bet the other two are from your backup accounts Pads Fans and websoulsurfer.
Here is a prediction. Stanton will accept a trade to the Giants or Cardinals by the Winter Meetings or the Marlins will start trading away other pieces like Gordon, Ozuna, Zeigler, and Yelich to meet their payroll goals and just allow Stanton to opt out after the 2020 season.
OOOOO you downvoted me and then Craig Mish said exactly what I had said a few hours earlier.
As the old saying goes, don’t pat yourself on the back, you might break your arm.
Frankly, people are downvoting your comments not because your opinions are right or wrong, but because of the way you go about expressing them. It is abundantly clear that your actual intention here is to get a rise out of people rather than foster discussion. Try to tone down the pompous attitude and not attack others any time their opinion doesn’t match up with yours and maybe then people will start to take your comments seriously.
All the best.
So what you are really saying is you would like to be able to get this stuff right as often as I do?
I comment to share my knowledge. Obviously, I have some because you keep seeing the writers posting the same things shortly after you see them from me.
Nothing pompous about it, I just know my stuff, and I never attack anyone other than Ryan and his “he’ll never sign an extension” BS.
Maybe the Dodgers will swoop in and give up the farm for Stanton.
The only way the Marlins get the farm is if they eat more salary which isn’t what they’re aiming to accomplish
The Dodgers are WAY too smart to do something as risky as that. I only wish the Cards were.
Yeah if he stays with the Marlins the will agree to rewriting his contact letting him opt out after 2018.
I would really like cashman to get involved in these trades. I’d rather have Stanton then hold hope that machado or harper become free agents. And if they do, they will cost a lot more money then what Stanton is owed.
Tommy Pham, GIancarlo Stanton… wait, is he black? Or Irish? Or Puerto Rican? Bah, who cares. They are human. That is all that matters.
I believe Tommy Pham is have African-American and half Vietnamese.
Love half and half in my coffee.
Marlins teardown begins
Stanton to Giants
Ozuna to Cards
Yelich to Cubs
Strangely enough, the Cubs don’t have enough tradeable assets to get Yelich, apparently he’s going to require a lot!
I would be ok with those trades
I would say that if Stanton is traded, Ozuna and Yelich are probably staying for now.
That’s a shame. The Cards are going after the wrong Fish outfielder. We’d be much better off with Ozuna. He’s better on defense, better running the bases, solid on offense with 37 HR’s and 137 RBI’s ..and he’s far more durable AND far cheaper.
The Cards made a similar mistake last year with Fowler. It looks like Moz is gearing up to make the same mistake again – except this time it’s a much bigger risk.
I can’t see any good long term outlook to this deal. If Stanton breaks his trend with his health and plays well, we spend 90 million plus some prospects and lose him in 3 years. If he does poorly we’re stuck with him and his contract just like the Fish are right now.
90 million? You don’t even know his contract. He has 3 years/$77 million left.
Just end it already. It’s all bullshit anyhow. I bet if Jesus came back to earth, Stanton rumors would get more coverage
Yeah, but not on the sister site, Religious Figures Return Rumors
Giants have won more recently than Dodgers have in past 40 years. So look elsewhere if the prima donna won’t come to play in world class cosmopolitan city with great ballpark.
I hear they have a great parade there once a year as well.
Haha ^
#gotheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeem
what annual parade?
well that’s a plot twist
He goes to the cardinals now. Then they trade him to the dodgers before he opts out.
I see the moderator of MLBTR chose to remove my post about Missouri being a racist hole. I guess that’s one way that racism persists so strongly in the US – the refusal to acknowledge and discuss its prevalence.
I’m from Missouri and it’s overall a great place to live. Sorry you feel that way. Did you personally have a bad experience? Sorry if you did. I’d say all of my friends and family like it as well. And if life takes me in that direction, I’d love to move back!
I understand your point, but as a lifelong resident of STL, your rhetoric isn’t helpful. I appreciate your point that we must discuss the evils of racism openly, whether that is in STL or elsewhere, but branding an entire city as a “racist hole” isn’t constructive.
Are you from Missouri? How would know? Gotta be from the stuff you see in TV, which was so over hyped from the media.
You should probably go cry about it somewhere else then
Take some Xanax with your diet pills, you’ll feel better
An absolute circus
Ringling Bros. and Barnum and Bailey could only dream of this level of theatrics.
(For both the Stanton story and this comments section itself).
Hey now leave the monkeys and elephants outta this. Lol
Actually, no, it isn’t. All that has happened is that the Marlins have fielded trade offers from various teams, Stanton provided the Marlins with an updated list of teams for which he’d accept a trade (required by his contract), and now the Marlins have allowed two teams to meet with Stanton and his reps. It’s pretty straight-forward.
The sideshow that is fueled by hyperventilating fans on Twitter and pot-stirring “insiders” is a completely different matter separate from what the teams and Stanton have been doing.
So this has just been a run of the mill trade?
No, because the oddness of Stanton’s contract makes it different. But calling what has occurred so far as a :”circus” is, to be blunt,hyperbolic nonsense. What has happened thus far is what people expected to happen.
Anyone who expected a trade for the National League MVP who has a no-trade clause and an opt-clause in 2020 to go down in a few weeks ought to buy the Brooklyn Bridge to complete the trifecta.
If he big Dodger fan growning up than why would he accept a trade to their hated rival SF giants…
Pretty much his choice is Cardinals or stay with Miami for 3 more yr till he opt out than hope LA Dodger has money to signed him
He would accept to be closer to home. Even though SF is an hour flight from LA, SF would feel more like home than STL.
Unlike fans, the players themselves don’t have illogical hate for opponents, or even heated rivals. Most of the time there is respect between the most competitive opponents. The friendship between Bumgarner and Kershaw is a good example. If Stanton had that fanboy mentality he would have simply waited until he was a FA and then signed with LA.
The Cards and Giants have not set a timetable? Maybe not a hard deadline, but I would be surprised if there wasn’t some sort of informal timetable. Whoever loses out is going to need to shift attention elsewhere to address their needs. They can’t wait too long or they’ll be screwed. What if this stretches out, Stanton goes to the Cards, and the Giants lose out on someone like Cain because another team got in first?
The Marlins have set a hard deadline. They need to start trading away other valuable players soon if they are not able to trade Stanton. Most of the big trades are made in and around the Winter Meetings. If he has not agreed to a trade by then, they will start trading away other pieces and keep Stanton at least for another year.
You have to ask why they allowed this group to purchase the Marlins if they couldn’t afford the payroll. They would have been better off working a sale where the team moves to a more prosperous market. Florida works for spring training but not for the regular season. There isn’t the support or tv market.
Any owner, new or existing, has to have the freedom to build/rebuild their team in the way they think will make it competitive. Forcing the new owner to hold on to Stanton’s contract might probably have reduced the field of potential owners to zero. Nobody should be forced to continue the questionable policies of the previous owner.
Stanton’s contract isn’t underwater though – most projections and analysis indicate that his contract versus expected production are relatively neutral.
Simply put, this new ownership is offloading the contract because they don’t have the money to keep it. And it’s a sad situation when an elite, young player like Stanton, with a contract that isn’t in the red, has to be shipped out of town.
Yeah. It doesn’t matter how worth it Stanton is, the Marlins can’t afford him.
He was only elite for one season. His health has always been a huge question mark with all his time on the DL. For anything close to his asking price he’s way too risky.
Imagine last year was a fluke and his health goes sour again. Whoever owns his contract may be stuck with him for 10 years and 300 million bucks. He could wreck the buying power and future for any team.
Both instances on the DL were from being hit by pitches. It’s not like he is getting hurt while playing the field or running the bases. Both of those are out of his control.
He had 2 hamstring issues from running the bases too hard, once his rookie year, and another time at the end of the 2016 season in like August or so. The other injuries were getting hit by pitches
The Marlins can’t afford the payroll no matter who owns them.
They can if they can dump Stanton’s ridiculous and risky contract on to some team dumb enough to make the same mistake they did.
Sure hope that isn’t the Cards.
The Marlins have one of the larger TV markets in baseball. Loria negotiated a bad TV contract and until 2020 the new ownership has to deal with his lack of competence. After that they will have a very large TV deal.
Miami is a huge sports media market and they have a terrific stadium. Loria just made a ratty TV deal.
If the Cardinals are offering more money and better prospects and Stanton chooses the Giants, the Marlins are going to be regretting the no trade clause left from the previous front office.
If the Cards ARE offering more money and better prospects they are making a worse mistake than we made last year giving Fowler such a fat contract. He’s always been fragile and always been substandard in CF on defense. Why should the Cards want another fragile player in our OF who’s just as weak on defense and who costs half again more?
Isn’t our poor defense one of the most critical weaknesses we have? There’s no way we should bail the Fish out from Stanton’s obscene contract.
Stanton isn’t a bad defender. What world are you in
I have been a Cubs fan since I knew what baseball was.
If I was looking to move from a non contender to a contender and the Cubs were not interested, I would absolutely consider joining, say, the Cards.
If you believe he will pass on SF, simply because he rooted for LA, you are an idiot.
I think the combination of a hated rival who has looked very old and very bad since the all-star break in 2016; bad farm system made worse by sending prospects to marlins; and with his addition a team past the luxury tax threshold. The Giants are in a tough spot. Seems like he’ll be in a similar boat as he is with the Marlins in regards to competing for a postseason run.
There aren’t even many marginal players that would say no to a team they hated when they were 12. Turns out banks accept checks from all 30 teams.
I’ll probably get heat for this but I️ think Stanton won’t ever hit more than 50 hr in a season again
No heat from me. It’s an interesting question, but I will disagree. Of course, like all players, health will play a role, but at his young age, with that massive power, if he stays healthy, I’d think he hits 50 or more 2-3 more times in his career.
Update your iPhone software bruh
Update your grammar bruh
No one who can read his stats should give you any heat. It’s hard for a guy to hit over 35 homers when he only averages 120 games or less off the DL. Last year was a fluke for him with regard to his health.
And, by the way he’s no wizard on defense either. He’s not worth the risk. I bet he’s stuck with the Fish.
He is a very gopd defend
He is a very good defender and his injuries have all been freak injuries. Either my phone or the app is giving me a lot of issues right now…
Loria must be cackling like a hyena at all of the Stanton news, knowing the current ownership is screwed whether they keep or trade him. He knew exactly what he was doing when he gave that Stanton this backloaded deal.
God himself must have looked down in frustration and said, “Look, guys, do you really want me to get involved in this? You know I can end this drama with the wave of a hand, and it’s prob gonna be a lose-lose if you know what I mean.”
I just don’t see a scenario in which a Stanton trade to San Francisco is beneficial for anyone
For the Giants, they have a bottom five farm system and one of the highest payrolls in the game. This trade would further deplete that already horrible system and add a lot to the payroll
For the Marlins, I doubt they could get enough from the Giants in terms of prospects to make it worth it
For Stanton, the Giants are in a worse place then Miami and Miami’s beaches are nicer.
Haha-spot on analysis! I’ve been confused by the Giants this offseason. Clearly they need to spread the money over the entire team-not on one player.
Being a Cubs fan I’d prefer him to go to SF but not particularly worried about him going to StL either as his track record doesn’t foreshadow him being a great difference maker, how many playoff games have Marlins been in since his arrival, plus his salary may make future additions difficult!!!
You’re right, the reigning MVP replacing the Cardinals worst position won’t make a difference for a team that barely missed the playoffs.
Lol great analysis cubbie fan.
Our worst position player in the outfield is Fowler.. are you hoping we will trade Fowler somehow?
Stanton is barely adequate on defense in a corner OF position.. Pham is solid on offense and defense in LF. Stanton would most likely be just as weak in CF as Fowler and just as prone to injury. Both players average 120 games a year or less off the DL.
The teams worst liability is our defense. Why make it worse? Why not pick up someone like Ozuna for a fraction the cost of Stanton and get a guy who’s a stud on offense, excellent on defense and DURABLE?
For the money Stanton would cost we could pick up Ozuna AND make a good offer for another stud like Abreu who could plug a defensive hole at 1st. Then we would add 65-70 homers a year between the 2 additions and have 2 good guys on defense.
Stantons injuries have all been freak injuries. He is a really good defender in RF too…
God, how would we ever know he was a sniveling homer if he didn’t lead with “being a Cubs fan”
Plain and simple if he wants to play for a winning team as stated….then the cardinals are it. Only the Yankees have a better winning history than St. Louis. The giants have made the playoffs 7 times since 2000. The Cardinals have been there 12 times. The last two seasons are the first time they have missed back to back playoffs since 2007/2008. 2016 they were 1 game out of the wild card. If he truly wants to win. He goes to the cardinals over the giants.
The Giants have won 3 World Series in the last 7 years the last two seasons are the first time they have played so bad … oh and the Giants have also been in the playoffs 7 times …
See how that works?
7 times since 2000
Both look unlikely to be serious contenders anytime soon. If he wants to win, the dodgers are his best hope
People can hate on Stanton all they want but having the protection of a no trade clause was a smart move. For years the Marlins have been a dysfunctional ball club at the executive level and they’re far from trustworthy.
They got themselves into this mess which Jeter has now acquired. Mistake #1: Jeter never even reaching out to Stanton when the sale went down. Who knows? Maybe some cordiality would’ve led to Stanton being more flexible or accommodating. It surely wouldn’t have hurt.
I don’t know who is hating on Stanton
Bet he’s still a Marlin on Friday
Plot twist
They trade everyone else and he stays
HAHAHAHAHA
probably…
The Marlins flat out said that is what they would have to do if he didn’t accept a trade that the team was willing to accept. There are two teams that have given the Marlins an acceptable offer so far. If he doesn’t say yes to one of them soon, the Marlins have to move on. The Winter Meetings start on the 10th. If he doesn’t waive his no trade clause by then and accept a trade to either the Giants or the Cards, the Marlins have to move on and trade away enough other players to get to $90 million in payroll.
What the Stanton “saga” has taught me: The baseball fan world has gotten ions more impatient and whiny than I thought it was.
The Winter Meetings even haven’t started yet, for cripes sake.
Dodgers need to put in an offer and make it public. That signal to Stanton and his people gives them leverage.
The Dodger offer should be on terms they can live with (i.e., second tier prospects-still superior to what Giants can put up AND significant cash back from Marlins).
Knowing Dodger offer is on table, Stanton should refuse to waive NTC with any team but Dodgers, take full advantage of what he negotiated and put pressure on Marlins to honor their end of bargain or take LAD proposal. This is a business. If Scott Boras were representing Giancarlo, there is no question he’d play this hand. The player has placed himself in the position to get exactly what he wants. He just needs to take action and make it happen!
What the heck are you babbling about. Miamis end of the bargain? You think Miami is going to both take crap prospects and eat a significant part of the Stanton contract? Not in a million years. Never gonna happen. They just will not trade him them.
He’s right. Boras and Stanton hold the cards in this deal. The Fish can’t afford to keep him without dumping all their other talent and facing a long rebuild period around a guy who can be lights out when he’s healthy – but his record on the DL over his career shows a guy who only averages 120 games a year. Last year was the exception. The Fish will have to eat some of his contract and they probably won’t get to clean up on any teams prospects. They may get one good one but no more. Stanton’s massive contract is a huge risk to any team willing to take that risk. So is his career long record of being very fragile.
I sure hope like hell the Cards take a pass on him. For this amount of money, we could get both Ozuna and Abreu and have 2 young studs who can both hit and play defense — and both are durable.
All of his injuries are freak I juries. Not as isn’t even his agent. It’s also not a bad contract. Stanton is a good defender as well
Sigh autocorrect *Boras
Marlins need to ask for Adolis Garcia if he goes to STL
Is this a three-team trade?
I thought he was going to decline everything to pick the Dodgers
He doesn’t get to pick the Dodgers. The Marlins can still not trade him and he is stuck. If Stanton holds out for the Dodgers I think the Marlins go a different direction and wait till the trade deadline to deal him that is unless the Dodgers come up with a better package then Cards and Giants. My guess is if he doesn’t waive his no trade they just tell him you will be here for the Rebuild then. He doesn’t have the ultimate power in this game.
He does have the power in this situation because his contract is dragging down the Marlins. They have to get rid of him and hopefully pick up some prospects in the deal. If they can, with the other fine talent they have they can be in the post fairly soon. If not, they need to trade off the rest of their talent and begin a slow rebuild around a guy with a shaky record as far as his DL time goes. The Fish are much better offloading this guy and every other team knows it.
I bet they dump him and have to carry at least 60 million of his contract.
Not sure why you’re saying that, because it’s not true. Plus, we’re here to talk about sports, so let’s leave the politics and social commentary out of this forum.
Teams need to move on and let this not be the offseason focus, who cares he can single handedly let this last all offseason teams need to make other moves limit his market make him accept a deal or continue to lose. Don’t let one player dictate the entire offseason
Top-notch players have a way of doing this. Last year, the big question was where will Chris Sale go? Next year, it will be where will Bryce Harper go? A team shouldn’t sit on its hands and do nothing, but I think there’s more going on behind the scenes than you’d expect. I’d expect that GMs and agents are talking FA deals if Stanton and Ohtani fall through, that GMs are talking to each other about trades as fallback options, and that teams are rigorously scouting each other’s big league and farm clubs. Once this and the Ohtani deal go through, deals will start falling like dominoes.
Lol! I doubt he’d play in sf
As McGuire told Edmonds… the California girls are nothing compared to these dolls in Missouri.Before you blast me let me say I’ve been in a lot of places, Missouri chicks are smoking hot! Maybe GiCarla should think about that!
Anything negative in regards to him signing the Miami contract is coming from a hypocrite. Not one of us in this forum would have walked away from that deal, even if he had an inclination the team was going to be terrible. I don’t think we know he necessarily wants out of Miami, it sounds more like Miami wants him gone no matter what and they are going to do whatever they possibly can to make him happy and to waive the no trade. He hasn’t said anything specific, only wants to play for a winner cliche that every player says. So, why not bargain if you’re him… I’m sure he can negotiate a new “perk” into the new contract – perhaps an additional early opt-out year. I still believe in a last minute move and he winds up on the Dodgers.
he signed the Miami contract a couple of months after getting hit in the eye. That one pitch could have ended his career. He took the money like anyone else would after that scare.
That’s not true and you know it. We’re here to talk about sports, so leave the politics and social commentary out of this forum.
It’s clear Giancarlo doesn’t want to play in both SF or STL, but if he really cares about winning, he’s pick STL I think. He’d also have the option to opt out in 2020 and maybe go to his hometown Dodgers if he is willing to give up some money.
If he turns them down, I hope they start moving everyone else (except Yelich and Realmuto) instead
I still believe that the Red Sox will end up with Giancarlo Stanton and Dee Gordon.
The Sox will agree to take on the remainder of both contracts for the money owed. In return, the Marlins will take on the contract of Rusney Castillo, who is owed $35.5Mover the next three years..
The Red Sox lineup will then look like:
Gordon 2B
Benetendi LF
Betts RF
Stanton DH
Devers 3B
Ramirez 1B
Vasquez C
Bradley CF
I think if he goes to the Giants, it shows he wants to opt out in a few years. They have a weak farm system and they’ll be getting older by then. No idea what he’d do with the opt-out if he went to the Cardinals.
You are over thinking this. A lot can happen in two years
Thank God no one can afford Stanton.
The Marlin’s made a bad deal and that’s why they had to sell out to Jeter’s group.
Jeter’s group now realizes they will sink if they keep Stanton.
Why not call this proposed deal the Marlin’s economic recovery act?
Why make the same mistake?
Especially an NL team?
Stanton would likely be a DH before his deal ends.
Thus an AL team makes the most sense.
The Astro’s or Ranger’s would make the most sense.
No state income tax in TX for Stanton to be happy about. and agree to the trade.
A DH in the AL.
And possible prospects to trade from both teams.
I predict the nippon ham fighters will trade ootani to the marlins for stanton.
Maybe the cardinals and giants can move to LA and share a worn down stadium…then the winner, through a survivor takes all challenge, will get Stanton and a tiny percent of the LA market. This was my friend Roger’s idea…he’s super smart and qualified because he went to a no name liberal arts school and ironically majored in economics.
Ok gets, here’s your daily humor from Boys Life…
Chris: Which baseball player holds water?
John: I don’t know. Which one?
Chris: The pitcher.
Giancarlo WILL choose a winner between STL and SSG, but it will probably be for “best effort”, before suiting up for MIA and waiting for the LAD bad contracts to go away in 2019. Winner between Giants and Cardinals is a box of of Kleenex© with aloe.
Damn, I hope it’s not the Cards. I can’t believe that our F.O. would do this to themselves and the team after making the same mistake with Fowler only one year ago.
Stanton’s time on the DL over his career is a matter of record just as Fowler’s was. But Fowler only cost us 87 million over 5 years. Stanton could cost us $300 Million over 10 years if he decides not to opt out after some more unhealthy years or just some years of weak performance – even if he bucks his record and does stay healthy. I saw where Johhny Cueto decided against his opt out clause after a poor 2017 record. Stanton could be a real expensive anchor …and his record of only averaging play in 120 games a year over his career is ample testimony.
Come on Moz, look at his record!!! Last year was great but it’s most likely a fluke! Go for a guy like Ozuna or a guy like Abreu. Both younger, cheaper, both play good defense and good offense and both …durable!!
I personally feel like Ozuna makes more sense for both the Marlins and Cardinals, but the Cardinals are also probably the best fit for Stanton of he doesn’t stay in Miami. His contract isn’t a bad one. His injuries have all been freak injuries. You keep saying stuff about defense but Stanton is a really good defender in RF
Edit:having issues woth the app right now…this is a reply to the comment above me