WEDNESDAY: The Mets have announced the deal.
TUESDAY: Frazier will earn $8MM in 2018 and $9MM in 2019, Rosenthal tweets.
MONDAY:The Mets have struck a two-year deal with third baseman Todd Frazier, according to Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (via Twitter). If he passes a physical, Frazier will receive a $17MM guarantee. The deal includes a $500K assignment bonus in the event that Frazier is traded, Jim Bowden of The Athletic tweets. Frazier is represented by Creative Artists Agency.
MLBTR predicted this match, but expected the veteran to take home a significantly bigger contract (three years and $33MM). The market for third basemen certainly hasn’t developed as the players might have hoped. Long-time shortstop Zack Cozart moved to the hot corner upon joining the Angels on a three-year, $39MM deal. The Giants filled their own need by acquiring Evan Longoria via trade. The Yankees have an ongoing opening but little to spend if they are to stay beneath the luxury tax line.
That situation had left Frazier, Mike Moustakas, and others without as much interest as had been anticipated. Indeed, in this case, it seems that some developments had to occur before the match could come together. Mets infielder Asdrubal Cabrera had seemingly been set to move to third. But he indicated recently he’d actually prefer to move to second base, leading GM Sandy Alderson to note that the flexibility might open up some new avenues for the organization.
New York held an obvious draw for Frazier, a New Jersey native who got a taste of playing near his home town last year with the Yankees. As Jon Heyman of Fan Rag notes on Twitter, that geographic preference seemingly played a role in the agreement that has now come together. It may have helped the Mets land a solid player at a reasonable price.
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On the one hand, Frazier has not shown of late the kind of well-above-average offensive output he did at his peak with the Reds. At his best, Frazier produced about twenty percent more offense than the average hitter, with significant home run output and even some value on the basepaths offsetting subpar on-base abilities.
Frazier has been unable to produce both significant power and a useful OBP over the past two seasons. In 2016, he tallied forty long balls but only a .302 on-base mark. Last season, he rode a personal-best 14.4% walk rate (and personal-low 9.3% swinging-strike rate) to a .344 OBP but managed only 27 dingers and a .428 slugging percentage. While Frazier still generated a strong .215 isolated slugging mark, his batting average (.213) and batting average on balls in play (.226) remained at the sorts of low levels he has sported in recent campaigns. (For what it’s worth, there may well be at least some poor fortune in Frazier’s lowly BABIP; he carried a .352 xwOBA that lagged his .340 wOBA in 2017.)
Even if the Mets can anticipate only slightly above-average offensive work from Frazier, the deal holds plenty of promise. He has long graded as a quality performer with the glove and turned in one of his best-ever seasons in 2017. Both DRS (+10) and UZR (+6.7) credited him with saving plenty of runs as a full-time player at third base. Frazier also has an excellent track record of durability, having suited up for an average of 154 games annually since the start of 2013.
As an above-average regular for each of the past six seasons, Frazier surely anticipated a bigger contract entering the winter. At the same time, his earning power was always limited by his age. The somewhat late-blooming slugger will turn 32 years of age in a week. With teams seemingly more hesitant than ever to lock in commitments to aging players, and the league as a whole hewing younger, Frazier always seemed unlikely to drive a massive bidding war.
Still, this contract seems likely to deliver the Mets some quality infield value, much as Cabrera did on a similar contract (two years, $18.5MM plus an option that was exercised for 2018). While Frazier could conceivably also spend time at first base, the likelihood is he’ll be the primary third baseman. In that sense, perhaps, the move all but formalizes the already evident fact that the chronically injured David Wright is unlikely to factor again at the hot corner for New York.
As he reunites with his former Cincinnati teammate Jay Bruce, Frazier will hope to be part of a resurgent Mets roster. The club has brought back most of the band despite a disappointing 2017 campaign, with a few modifications. New York has now filled its most glaring needs and certainly has the talent to compete in the coming season, though the organization still faces its fair share of uncertainty — particularly in the injury department.
Photo courtesy of USA Today Sports Images.
Wow
This increases the Mets’ playoff chances for next season only slightly.
The mention of David Wright serves as a stark reminder of the questionable value of long-term free agent signings.
Long term signings have been generally worthless in the last years of the players contracts. The clubs have paid them so much money guaranteed past the players prime years, to where they are generally a liability for their remaining 3 years of their contract. Rather than make them a high dollar bench player, the teams see to go ahead and start them because of the money. I believe we’ve see the last of the 8-10 year contracts. Age and dead weight at the most years of the contract outweighs the 3-4 productive year in the front of the contract.
Well stop seeing 8-10 year deals for someone who is 30-32 years old. If you don’t believe Bryce Harper or Machado will get at least 8 years at age 26 you’re nuts.
Agreed. Now that PED’s aren’t as prevalent, 35 seems to be the new 40.
lol @ 3 thumbs downs over a 1 word post. Not even indicating whether it was an impressed “wow” or an unimpressed “wow”
It’s the first post of fairly blockbuster signing, for a rather small market club, in largest market.
I had higher expectations, to be honest. Sometimes I feel people who post that, post just to be first— and nothing else.
Fair enough. I don’t personally care about being first, but I completely get that. The posts that literally say “FIRST” are more than a little annoying
Is the hot stove starting to re heat?
This offseason has been like trying to start a fire with wet logs
Pretty accurate IACub lol
so true!!! lmao
That’s because this is actually a weak free agent class. Nobody wants to over pay for mediocre talent.
exactly
Weak or not! Teams don’t want to pay these ridiculous contracts to players that are not living up to them! Regardless of mediocre talent or super stars talent!!
lol we need a picture of Todd Frazier as a wet log now.
No
More like a hibachi.
There’s probably a double entendre tinder joke in here somewhere.
No
He sooooo bad lol
He’s really not though. The only bad thing about him is his batting average. He gets on base, has 30 home run power, great glove AND is a clubhouse leader with personality
Agreed only reason people think he is bad is one he isn’t a house hold name and two he players on the white sox. Also he had 3.4 war last year which was very good
To compair near the same war as fulmer beltre and machado.
He’s been better than Moustakas throughout his career too
All 3 of those guys had down years, whereas Frazier had one of his best years in terms of power and obp, but whatever helps you sleep at night.
Hey no bias here i am die hard phillies fan so hate all division rivals
Fulmer is a pitcher, so not even relevant and Beltre missed half the year
Moose actually had a decent year considering he missed all of the previous year!
Eh.. I wouldn’t say he ‘gets on base’ with his .321 career OBP. But agree, he’s a solid all around player.
If healthy I like the Mets 3-4-5. Cespedes, Conforto and Frazier has a lot of power potential.
And Bruce. Looks decent.
I think I’d go Conforto, Cespedes, Bruce, Frazier either 3-6 or 2-5. Conforto should be in a spot to get a good chunk of at bats.
So Alex that’s a good for about 40 games. Then what do you do when the house of cards (no pun intended) falls down?
Guys I meant that on a good way.
Ask Hawk Harrelson and he will tell you he’s better than Kris Bryant.
Wow that’s a lot of downvotes
Troll he is.
Your comment is sooooo bad
Lol the most Mets move ever
How so? I see a guy signed for 2 years and $17MM who has put up 5.3, 4.0, 3.4, 3.4 WAR the last four years. At that price he’s a steal even if that trend continues.
He’s a Hyundai, Mets fans have been clamoring for a Porsche that matches their lucrative market. I like burgers.
You and your food analogies.
I like the car analogies,
Todd’s steady as they come, I think he’s more Toyota because his 3B glove, plays out as one of the best in the league, good home run hitter. (Power is name-card) and as others have said, positive clubhouse guy; veteran leader.
One has to wonder if the career-high 83 walks (.344 OBP) is a trend moving up, that comes with a player, knowing who he is as a hitter at his age (32, 1 week)
The Porsche is the 3Bman available next season. Most of the free agents this year are Hyundai’s. It’s a good move and on,y makes the team better.
thank god i dont have to hear yankee fans say they need to bring him back now anymore
I do not want him back lol.
i don’t think you speak for all yankees fans or are he only yankee fan out there, so basically your opinion is void 🙂
I’m glad you voided my opinion
Must think he’s chief of the fan police…
The opinion soggy is for all Yankee fans that don’t wait an hour to eat soggy corn flakes. Me—I like mine crisp and we can afford to play a kid at the corner.
They kindle need someone like him though.
Kind’ve*
“kind have”? Nope, try again…
kinda?
The grammar isn’t there but his comment was. Yanks do need a steady veteran to help at either 2B or 3B
Might not be a word but it definitely is slang
Incorrect. You’re thinking of “kind of”
only 17m?
Seems like a great deal for the Mets.
Damn!
– smart Braves fan everywhere
I guess Camargo is out 3rd baseman.
Nah fam, Nunez
I guess no MLB tv package for me. Maybe next yr.
Was already picturing him behind Freddie in the 4 hole. I’d rather have Nuñez. Fingers crossed.
you want Nunez to hit behind Freeman? Wow, that will scare all their opponents!
No, I was just saying overall, Nuñez would benefit the Braves more than Frazier. Would be a good 2 hole guy. Once Riley makes it up, Nuñez is versatile unlike Frazier. Fraizer does have much better pop though. And that would have been nice to have behind Freddie. Hopefully Acuña can provide some power at some point this year and then they can sign a big bat next offseason.
Nunez really? He can’t play defense worth a lick, and historically isn’t a great hitter.
That’s why from a defensive perspective he would have been perfect for the Mets who are weak in the infield.
“Damn!”
— Smart fans, of all MLB teams, everywhere.
2 years $17MM for Frazier, is a steal — for any MLB team.
Something tells me, the Jersey Kid, gave a NY home-town discount.. just with the other NY team 😉
No such thing.
CC’s deal was a home-town discount. He went 14-5, 3.69 ERA, and was clutch in the playoffs. (He allowed just five earned runs in 19 innings across four playoff starts) I don’t care if he’s 37, he could’ve gotten a two year deal, on the open-market.
even though they are two completely different players, I can see CC getting this this type of deal (2 years $17MM) and Yankees were unwilling to go beyond one year.
CC’s deal was market value, no one in there right mind was giving him a guaranteed second year or more than $10mil a year.
At $17m could see a contender in need of a lefty crossing there fingers and hoping his arm hold up.
Met fans will love everything about him besides his batting average. If it wasn’t for us having andujar I would have gladly welcomed him back in the Bronx !
I said oh oh domino
I’m heartbroken. Loved him in his half season with the Yankees
Agreed but andujar is such a terrific young talent to add to our team’s young powerful core so letting him go makes sense
I’m just worried about the lack of experience. Todd’s leadership and enthusiasm for the game was awesome. Glad to have him in pinstripes
My friend the experience the kids gained while taking it to two of the top teams in the AL in the 2017 postseason Gave them the valuable experience they needed. They are getting stronger together and Todd I’m sure taught them a lot along with holiday. Plus Gardy is still here
I don’t disagree, just sucks to see him go
There are plenty of leaders on the yankees. Infusing two more kids with our potent lineup takes all of the pressure off of them.
Leadership is the one thing the Yankees currently lack.. Smart teams with a very young core sign someone like David Ross and a proven manager with experience.. Besides Gardner who exactly do the Yankees have as leaders? Ellsbury? Romine? Didi will be running an infield with 2 rookies, an oft injured Bird, a starting catcher who was well known for being selfish and immature in the minors, and a backup infielder (if Torres is ready) with less than 200 games under his belt.. If Gardner gets injured who exactly is going to lead this team out of their first serious losing streak? Who is going to help the rookies adjust after the pitchers have figured out their weakness? Frasier was a perfect signing who would have helped the team adjust to the Boone era and at that price they can’t say it was because of money.. Don’t fool yourself here, Cashman dropped the ball for the first time in quite awhile. Unless of course, he has something else in the works. Which I hope is true and isn’t Moustakas..
Great move for 3rd base now we need 1 more starter and maybe a lefty for the pen.
Not a great move rubber. It was the cheapest move. The team is still weak up the middle.
I’m ok with this. Looks like they benefited from the Yanks lowballing him.
I don’t even think they made him an offer. They have a younger option ready to step in and they want to stay under the luxury tax this season
The Yanks didn’t make him an offer. Hardly lowballing
no balling?
one-year balling.
It’s a business, too bad a year probably set them apart from NYY reunion (Luxury tax reset; ML 3B prospect)
but more credit to the Mets,
How would the tax effect the number of years the Yankees were offering? If the Yankees could offer $7m for one year (and fit it under the tax), then they could just ask well offer $14m for two years with no difference in this year’s tax implications.
Granted it would raise their next year’s tax burden, but everyone has been talking about keeping this year’s tax number down with a mind to actually raising next year’s.
Or maybe you meant if not for needing to keep the AAV down the Yankees would have offered him a big one year deal..that makes sense.
I don’t understand NYY’s logic, but it was widely reported, they were unwilling to go beyond a one year deal — like CC presumably for tax purposes.
I would take the Yankees made “No offers” thing, with a a grain of salt. Middle ground, just couldn’t be met, unless Todd was willing to give a home-town discount.
Something tells me, NYY would rather 1 year $10MM for Frazier, than 2 years $17MM, and Frazier went with the obvious security. (Who can blame him?)
I was going to say that they want room to make potential deadline deals while staying under the tax
LETSSSSS GOOOO!!!!
This move makes much sense for Mets..8.5 million per year is good deal, he will provide immediate leadership, power..and good glove, if he hits anything over 230 it will be a bonus..
and he is a great club house leader.
So that’s it for David Wright?
I don’t think anyone other than David Wright thinks David Wright is ever going to be a productive major leaguer again at this point.
Nah. David Wright doesn’t think he’ll ever be a productive major league player in the future either.
He real gone
One will play first and the other at 3rd
Wright is only here for the Mets contract insurance help.
If David Wright were to play at all this year, it would be a part time basis and primarily against lefties.
Good deal for the Mets
Good move for the Mets. He becomes their best fielding infielder and has the highest OBP of any of their players.
Mannnn as a Yankees fan I’m saddened but he’s my favorite player Time to book my date for the subway series
Moustakas stock drops with this move too
How so? Mets were never in the running for Moose. It’s not as if this sets the market for 3rd baseman.
One less potential suitor
I like Frazier for the Mets, but they were never players for Moose. He is going to want way too much $ and years for them to of even considered.
I like Frazier for the Mets, but they were never players for Moose. He is going to want way too much $ and years for them to of even consider.
sorry double post.
It’s not just one less suitor, it’s that his numbers aren’t better than Frazier. If anything they are worse. Teams will be able to use the Frazier contract in their negotiations with Moose now.
Like most teams, they will be in on Machado next year. They won’t sign him, but I’m sure they will at least test the waters. This is a heavy reason there is no market for Moustakas, everyone wants Manny next year.
Agreed. The music will stop in the near future, and as things stand now Moose will not have a chair. Boras can’t even bust out the “mystery team” strategy here since there’s no apparent primary suitor for Moustakas.
Love this move. Now if market continues to slide a little, go get Lynn or Cobb, move wheeler or Harvey to pen, pick up a minor league option lefty or two, and we r on our way to better things Han last year…..with the all important Mets slogan, barring health
Lol, this is the Mets you’re talking about. Cobb was already offered a 3 year deal by the cubs @ more that NY would be willing to offer.
Welcome back frank. Your contingency has been absent during this hot stove time. Glad for your eternal optimism, I suggest you order a large bottle of Tylenol from Amazon to help you with the disappointment ahead.
Very shocked that Frazier signed for so little. I was expecting in the neighborhood of 2@$20 million total.
Is 1.5mil per year difference so little?
Besides the obvious fact that 1.5 million is generally a lot of money, it’s also almost 20% of the salary that he got. Yeah, that’s a pretty substantial difference.
15% pay difference is a pretty significant difference in most people’s lives.
Great deal for the Mets — Toad Frazier is a solid 3B.
I hope “Toad”” gives them some good hop!
Toad is usually the fastest character in Mario Kart but his handling/steering could use work. not sure about his 3B play though
If that was unintentional, I applaud you. If than was unintentional, I still applaud you.
Unintentional or unintentional… He applauds you
Sad the Braves didn’t get him on a one year deal. Good signing by the Mets.
At his advanced age, he wants the security of a multi year deal.
Looks like Harrison will be staying in Pittsburgh
Once this market stagnated, it made more sense to hold Harrison until the trade deadline. Too many free agents who are comparable available for free right now and versatile players are valued most highly in July.
He’d still fit well in the Bronx hypothetically.
Not really. Time for more youth. When you have talent a team loaded with talent can patiently integrate them without pressure.
The Mets on the other hand plugged a hole in the dyke. It will be fine until it springs a hole. Whether it is age catching up or injuries for the team that leads MLB in drama, wear a rain coat
Frazier and his agent can see reality. Can Moose and his agent, what’s-his-name?
I dont know how I feel about the fit with the Mets seeing as how I would have shot for Nunez based on versatility and the fact that they already have A-Gon, Bruce and Smith as “power hitter molds” but its an inexpensive enough deal for a very good player, tht you cant complain too much.
So id imagine Frazier @ Third, Rosario @ Short, Cabrera @ Second, Flores as the utility guy with Cecchini as the injury replacement. You could do a lot worse.
Nunez versatility is ruined by the fact that his defense isn’t good
ive seen him make some out of wordly plays at third base
I’ve seen him whiff on some cake plays too.
You forgot Reyes. I sort of wonder what plans the Mets have for Flores, other than platooning at 1B.
Reyes is forgettable. By June you will be crushing, “oh no”. Rosario is an example of a mets prospect with zero support and self confidence tanking. Do you think that “Ces” will drink water to avoid hammy pulls? Don’t hold your breath.
it is a good move for the mets.
decent glove, gets on base and hits home runs. he wont win any avg trophies but that is ok.
Wow I guess this means the Yankees are really rolling with Andujar and Gleyber Torres at 2nd and 3rd. I am excited for the youth movement but with a team with so much potential it’s also risky throwing the rookies in there. Exciting times in the Bronx.
The more experienced young Yankees and Gardy will lead them. Ellsbury will keep them well hydrated on the bench
Better hope judge and Stanton can carry the offense if they go with 2 rookies. Long seasons and the ups n downs a rookie normally has, could be interesting or they could both play like roy and the Yankees and dodgers meet in the WS next year.
Judge and Stanton aren’t the only good players on the team lol
Dodger fan angry
Not a huge fan of Frazier but this is beyond cheap for a guy who put up 3.0 fWAR last year
As a Mets fan, that’s where I’m at. Great value for upgraded defense at 3B. The Met’s right side will be rough w. Cabrera & Gonzo…Smith should be an improvement if he can step up and show something during ST.
The key is the Mets getting Lynn/Cobb/similar. Being able to bump Wheeler to the pen would be huge. Or 6 man rotation….if you believe the most recent rumor. I can see the Mets cheaping out with Hellickson, which wouldn’t be horrible…but I’d love for them to grab Lynn/Cobb.
Was hoping he’d sign with Atlanta. Damn.
The guy can’t be any good. He’s 32. By, the end of the season he’ll need a wheelchair to make it to the on deck circle. He’ll need an escalator to make it out of the dug out.
dumb
30+ homers. a solid obp, and a great glove would argue otherwise. Anyway, 32-33 years old for a corner infielder isn’t that old.
It was a joke. When the Giants obtained Longoria, everybody making all these comments about him, “being on the wrong side of 30”. So, I had to have a little fun with it. It’s debatable if Arroyo will turn into anything. They have a tendency not to.
I mean, we’re talking through a comment section. I can’t tell if you’re joking or not.
Next time I’ll try to exaggerate more.
Pujols signed a 10 year $254M, 1 month before turning 32.
Just helping, to put things, into perspective.
This is me joking, too 😉
Vpolite 》 that’s lol funny!
What’s with all the Frazier hate? I don’t follow him too closely but I thought the reaction was going to be “What a steal!” 2 years and $17MM is basically zero risk, and Frazier is halfway-decent at worst, right?
The Todd-Hate is probably from people that don’t know much about baseball. No one knows what kind of season a player will have. It is all guess work. People just like to be negative to make themselves sound smart.
I don’t get the hate, the guy is fantastic with fans and plays great D, can fill in anywhere on the infield when needed. Loved him in Chicago. Mets got a steal.
It’s because even though it’s 2018 there is still a strangely high percentage of fans who are obsessed with batting average.
Batting Average is now irrelevant? A guy batting .100 should be thought of as a lead off hitter?
Yep, only the guys who hit .100. Nobody said it’s irrelevant, but it is overrated
OK. How is batting average overrated?
There are ways to create offense other than getting a hit. A guy who hits .313, only singles, and never walks is not nearly as good as Todd Frazier in 2017, who hit .213.
It’s overrated in that specific context because you want your leadoff hitter getting on base, a lot. It doesn’t matter if it’s a hit or a walk or a HBP, so why rely on batting average?
I’d rather my leadoff hitter slash .235/.355/.415 and steal 15 out of 19 tries than .300/.330/.350 with 40 steals in 65 attempts. Classically, however, people would have looked at the .300 hitter with 40 SB and screamed MVP.
I highly doubt a guy that hits .313 never walks.
From the way he put it, it sounded as if there is some brand new statistic number that is better then batting average. Generally, a guy with a higher batting average has a higher on base percentage. I always look at a players strikeouts and walks. They tell me more about their hitting ability.
You’ve never heard of Tony Gwynn?
Welcome to the Mets, Todd. Good luck
Nothing gets the boys aroused like making a “bargain”. signing (even though, like with most penny pinchers, they end up finding out eventually that the guy was cheap for a reason).
Guarantee of 17 mm means what exactly? He actually signed for 2 years at only 8.5 mm per, or is it a Wilpon special (tortured contract, designed to save, but which ends up costing more over the long run)-?
Finally not a minor league signing!
I’m happy for The Toddfather. Sad to see him go, but he wasn’t going to accept what the Yankees could offer him and I still think they’re going to be in on Darvish. O’Dowd mentioned a hypothetical deal that the Yanks and Diamondbacks could make today to have them take Ellsbury along with Betances. I still the think the Yankees will end up with Neil Walker and maybe Darvish.
Walker I can definitely see. Darvish? Nah. Maybe Cobb or Lynn. Whichever one the Mets don’t sign 😉
The Yankees aren’t going to be in on Darvish wo dumping Ellsbury. No one wants that over paid bum. The sooner Yank fans realize that the better
Ellsbury is overpaid but he’s no bum. Even in 4 underwhelming injury prone seasons in the Bronx in which he was a backup second half of last season, he’s combined for 9.7 WAR. Neither Moustakas nor Hosmer has done that. ☕️
The Ellsbury bashing is on here is just so overwrought. The contract was stupidly large but it hasn’t even been that bad..he has been solidly above average every year of it.
Ok he’s not a bum. That is true.
But for sure over paid. I was more posting toward the post about the D Backs trade senerio. Sports media will come up with anything to get fans going this winter. Don’t read into the media too much
The issue is El’s contract. He’s fine at replacement level to a bit above replacement level, but his contract gives him an overall negative value…both in regard to years and $’s.
Thumbs down guy is happy
Mets defense getting better. Good signing.
So it goes from worst to simply poor?
Very weak up the middle. From behind the dish through a porous infield face the reality that runners will steal and hitters will avoid dp’s as they get in base inexcusably.
I don’t think Mike is a Met fan
To be fair…he isn’t wrong. They should be solid on the left side w. Frazier and Rosario. Cabrera is a statue at 2B and I’m not sure AGon has much range left (though he has a solid glove). If Dom Smith starts there, I’m not sure he has good range either…though he’s still young. As for holding runners on and the catchers…I’d love for mediocre, but they are likely pretty bad at holding guys on and giving up steals.
The Toddfather makes any team he’s on better.
sad to see him go however I’m glad to see him stay in NY. it was a pleasure Todd Father.
Solid signing for the Mets. Frazier gave them a hometown(close to home @ least) discount.
Discount?
No one else was going to sign him!
You know that because the market for 3B has been so brisk or really any position to date. It is a below market deal for a 3+ WAR player and a great clubhouse presence.
Meddling BA but Among all third basemen, Frazier’s ranked:
Second best UZR/150 (9.7)
Third best UZR (6.7)
Third best Def (8.6)
Fourth bets Defensive Runs Saved (10)
fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=3b&stats=fld&#…
It’s not just power, he’s elite defensively, and he gets on base (.344 OBP) as evidenced by his career high 83 walks, in 2017.
Congrats, Mets.
He turns 32 in 6 days, so 2 year deal would control him through his age 32-33 seasons— Reasonable 2 year $17M
“Mets third basemen hit .269/.315/.413 last season — four different players started at least 25 games there — and combined for minus-17 Defensive Runs Saved.”
Todd Frazier’s plus +10 Defensive Runs Saved.
Least they got him beat BA 😉
1st 100 questions in the next chat “will Frazier’s signing get things moving?”
Great deal. Perfect fit and they even got him for under market value.
Very nice deal for the Mets, a constant 3 win player signed for under market value at a position they desperately needed to improve upon.
Alderson is an idiot.
I have to assume this comment is unrelated to this signing…hard to see how anyone could fault this deal. Really good player on a great contract.
I told y’all things would start to heat up after Superbowl 😉
This is a solid player and a good value signing by the Mets. It’s probably also the canary in the coal mine for this market and possibly will induce other mid-tier FA to call their agents and say “find me a team.” I also think it takes the wind out of the idea the floated by Heyman that the Yankees are in on Moose.
We were saying that when Cain signed so we’ll see.
Should’ve signed with the Yankees on a one year deal and tried again in 2018.
*2019
WHERE WERE THE BRAVES IN ALL OF THIS?
Thinking #1 farm system is enough to excite the fans.
they only would have signed him on a 1 year deal.
2 year deal would have been fine. Could have traded him in the 2nd year if Riley lights it up early.
In Atlanta
Exactly! Would have been the perfect bridge to Riley without blocking him.
I wanted Todd back on a 1 or 2 year deal before Stanton was acquired. I felt he could be slotted at 3rd of course but also DH and be a back up should Bird miss any time this year at 1b. With Stanton it obviously would make things tighter as I want Andujar to take over at 3b some point this year and the DH spot will be needed since we have 4 legit starters in three OF and Ellsbury and Clint in the mix too.
Frazier seems like a good guy. Good for him. Mets got a steal at $8.5 per.
Oh this is so bad. Alderson, who I always defend, waits all winter to sign someone, and this is the f–kbag he ends up with? What an awful baseball player.
Don’t let the low batting average fool you – he gets on base, hits homers, and plays great defense. For 17 M/2 years it’s actually a steal.
Your an idiot.
didn’t they sign Bruce already?
Great pickup by Sandy. The guy can not only hit and field but change the culture in the clubhouse.
Frazier is worth 3/30 and Cozart is worth 4/48. Players this winter are getting cheated out of their money.
1. You guys think the angels regret signing Cozart to that kind of money now? Seems like they jumped the gun, especially when they are using Cozart at third, which makes him less valuable.
2. I’m not a Yankees fan, but it seems pretty obvious to me that Frazier only makes sense for them on a one year deal. Andujar should be ready to hold down the hot corner at some point this year, so they would only need someone to bridge the one year gap. Getting Frazier for that second year would be a waste, assuming andujar pans out.
It’s a nice signing…I just wish it weren’t necessary. Poor David. 🙁
David will collect his due. Wilpon’s will collect what they ARE NOT due as they rake in 75% of Wright’s salary. Fear not, it’s more than they are paying Frazier and has been earmarked to family members’ salaries and Dodgers memorabilia.
People laughed when I predicted players would be taking a 50% hair cut.. its not ending this year either. Players will be taking team friendly extensions and not opting out. Nobody wants to be a FA now. Great job Tony C. If he has a job by April 1 I will be shocked
This not only impact next years FA market but also extension offers and arb salaries. Player market dropping like Bitcoin. The ensuing labor inrest will do the same to franchise valuations. Way to go Manfred.
HS athletes everywhere should be dropping their bats and gloves and play football and basketball, many have already done so.
The NFL certainly is not better than the MLB from a player’s perspective. NFL player’s get paid half around half as much, and almost all of their contracts aren’t fully guaranteed. Plus the obvious brain issues associated with the NFL. As far as contracts go, the MLB is the best, and the NFL isn’t even close.
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You are wayyyyyyy overreacting. it’s no ones fault. it’s called “market adjustments”. happens in every industry. still… guys like Wade Davis, Carlos Santana and seem to be happy.
Good point. Relief pitchers were, a few years ago, viewed as relatively fungible. They were also underpaid.
Now guys like Neshek and Hunter are getting multi-year deals for big bucks.
Teams did the math and figured out that if a SP that can give them 180 IP at a moderately better than average performance is worth 4/60, a RP who can give you 70 – 80 IP at a sub-3.50 ERA is worth at least half that AAV on a 2 year deal.
It’s a shift in resource allocation – and a rational reaction to what the analytics tell them.
The analytics also tell them that it may not be a wise allocation of resources to pay a FA bench/role/platoon player in his early to mid-30s with declining performance a mid seven figure contract when it’s entirely possible a mid-20s callup can give you the same thing for a lot less money, allowing them to shift those financial resources to RPs and the true superstar.
Lol. Picking up a football is the worst decision of all. Unless you want to play the one position that gets paid. Leveon Bell is going to struggle to get 12 mil a year to play running back and he’s arguably the best in the game. Jay Bruce got 13 mil a year guaranteed to play the outfield and he’s not on anyone’s top 25 OFer list.
Yes, but running backs are de-valued, disposable, and considered most expendable. (Excluding kickers, who are like backup UTIL)
Running backs are literally, 1B of NFL. It’s not a premium position. The best RB’s in the NFL average $8M –Bell made $12.M — significantly higher than rest in the league (Bcuz was 1 year deal) Most running backs in the NFL, get paid nothing.
Although, I completely agree with your premise (MLB pays more than NFL) I disagree with your example.
I disagree. If you manage to actually make MLB, the rewards are still greater – and no brain injuries.
The Angels gave Cozart 40 million!!! This makes it even funnier lol
And they gave Upton 90 mil they are so screwed…they were the only team that didnt get the memo. Haha they could of got Yelich and Moose for cheaper… omg my side hurts
they couldn’t get Yelich. And had they waited they could have gotten Frazier cheaper than Cozart. But Cozart and Simmons on the left side of the field are going to be special defensively.
“Special” or “especially injured” history suggests the latter lol and the could have gotten Yelich for a 4 of your top team prospects…hey better use of prospects then old ass kinsler…and the pitching still is trash lol what a team. Trout might never make the playoffs haha
yet ppl scream “collusion”.
They got Ohtani for almost nothing.
Now lets have Andujar take the reigns at 3B. His bat is ready. His glove… maybe not, but i dont think a handful of errors is gonna be too detrimental when they score 10 runs a game.
Did you say strikeout over 10 times per game on average and leave runners in scoring position at the highest rate in the league bc the cant hit a curveball? Or score 10 runs per game…im gonna guess the first thing happens A LOT more than the other
Hey juice..stay off the caffeine. You had no credibility and it’s getting worse. The Dunkin’ Donuts in Flushing has decaf.
Relatively low risk, high reward signing. Dependable glove, good club house guy, and will provide better protection for Cespedes than AGon/Bruce I think Frazier/Kipnis or Frazier/Walkr would have been a better fit and use of funds than Frazier/Bruce, but hey I’m the GM
As a Yankees fan I will miss Todd but it is time to let the young guys have their shot now to find out if they can help the team. If Todd can keep getting on base like he did with the Yankees, then the Mets got a great deal.
Couldn’t disagree more. You’re letting two unproven players play 2 prominent infield slots on a World Series contending team. My bet is that the Yankees are looking for an infielder to patch up either 2nd or 3rd come July.
Couldn’t agree with you more. Those two infield spots represent the 8th and 9th spots in the batting order for that World Series contending team. They have perfectly capable Ronald Torreyes if one of the rookies fails. If they both fail, then they can make a trade or late signing.
…and I meant disagree.
If we need any reinforcements in July the Mets will flip him for a few bucks without thought. That’s there MO anyway, WITHOUT THOUGHT!
Good signing by the Mets.
Frazier’s 2/17 makes cozarts 3/39 look expensive. That’s funny to see considering cozarts 3/39 would’ve looked like a steal in any other FA year prior to this one. Great snag by the Mets.
Todd Frazier he’s that guy that hung the moon and Kris Bryant was scab that would never make it according to Hawk Harrelson right?
I like Todd Frazier but he has to be on the right team. Mets are not the right team.
They have glaring deficiencies at 1st base and 2nd base which I believed they should have been priorities . A-Gon will be cut by June and their pitching staff will be destroyed again by injuries . Would
Much rather have seen them sign a quality starter who can log innings .
Good, hopefully this puts Nunez back in Boston!
The Angels gave Cozart 40 million!!! This makes it even funnier lol
And they gave Upton 90 mil they are so screwed…they were the only team that didnt get the memo. Haha they could of got Yelich and Moose for cheaper… omg my side hurts
Hopefully this buries that pic of him and Jeter forever.
Let’s see, the Marlins will be paying Martin Prado over $28M over the next two years. Way more money for way lesser (and older) player. Gotta love those fish.
He’ll be traded in July. Finally a signing.
To whom?
First Gonzo now Fazier!! Dang Mets are stirring something up! Watch out Marlins you have some competition ..
Its just one players but, acquiring Todd Frazier to play 3B allows Asdrubal Cabrera to move to 2B. The Mets IF actually looks good to me, especially if 1B Adrian Gonzalez has a Comeback year.
If only the Mets could unload Matt Harvey and improve their bullpen…..
If AG has a comeback year? What are your new prescription meds? He will be designated in June.
And where is over-the-hill Reyes in the infield. He should retire.
He is a utility player at nearly zero cost. And can still play at a decent level and provides speed and spark and mentorship (baseball wise) to Rosario. He has his value. There is no reason to get on a guy about a possible comeback performance for as low a salary as u can go, and worse case here is a rotation of smith Flores and Frazier and Bruce at first at times this year. Not bad support behind a low risk high reward player in a gon. Was nice not seeing your brainless posts for a while mike
If these numbers are accurate, as Braves fan, I am really disappointed that we didn’t get him.
As a Tribe fan I feel the same. That’s a bargain price almost any team could afford.
Braves may lose more games than the Marlins but we sure gotta alot prospects!
Hoping this means the Red Sox can bring back Nunez (since the Mets were one of his bigger suitors). He gave the team a massive spark last year and they could use his versatility, especially while Pedroia returns from surgery.
or go after Brad Miller
$8 M in 18 and $9 M for 19. I wonder if the Yankees had offered like 1 year $12-13 M if he would’ve accepted. Guessing the extra year factored a lot into the decision
The offer 17 mm front loaded with only 4-5 for the second year, at which he’d be tradable even after an off year. They didn’t want him back, or he didn’t want to come back with a young guy looking over his shoulder.
There was a reason nobody signed him.. He can’t hit.. You’ll see when you need that hit and he doesn’t deliver. All that fielding and leadership won’t win you games. Nice guy but not needed.
He’s better than anyone the Mets have trotted out there the past few years hands down.
I feel like the Angels are the only team that really missed out on the slow market discount. In hindsight, cozart was probably an overpay, Kinser’s 11M and prospects was too much, and Uptons contract extension was likely a big overpay given this market. If they would’ve waited all of them would have been cheaper leaving room for upgrades. Epplers deals aren’t necessarily bad on the surface but he could’ve saved around 10M imo which is a lot of money this offseason
What’s he going to do with the thumbs down fan? Start using thumbs up?
Very happy he is Met!
Maybe the biggest victim of the “Home Run Derby Curse!”
We all know what he has the ability to do. Maybe he finds his old form again…