3:19pm: MLB.com’s Anthony DiComo tweets that while the Mets are indeed listening to offers, no deals should be expected in the short-term. Despite the recent run of poor play, the Mets will take another few weeks to see if they can turn things around before committing to a sale.
11:05am: With the Mets mired in an abysmal slump that has seen the team go 3-11 in the month of June, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports in his latest notes column (subscription required) that they’re “open for business.” While the Mets understandably prefer to hang onto controllable players like Michael Conforto, Brandon Nimmo, Seth Lugo, Robert Gsellman and Jacob deGrom, Rosenthal notes that they’ll at the very least entertain offers for virtually anyone on the roster.
It’s been fewer than two weeks since Mets general manager Sandy Alderson called the chances of a major summer sell-off “very remote,” though Alderson admitted at the time of his comments that “circumstances could change” his stance. It’s perhaps telling that in the 13 days between the publication of those two stories, the Mets have gone just 3-8 and scored a paltry 25 runs in a span of 11 games. In the interim, they’ve seen Noah Syndergaard and Yoenis Cespedes suffer setbacks in their recoveries from injury and revealed that reliever AJ Ramos is weighing season-ending surgery to repair his ailing shoulder.
Of course, the two reports can also coexist without contradicting one another. Dealing some short-term pieces this summer would hardly constitute a “major” sell-off, after all. And, generally speaking, Alderson was speaking out against the possibility of a full tear-down more than he was against smaller trades around the margins of the 25-man roster.
While there’s been no shortage of speculation surrounding deGrom, there’s been little indication that the Mets would truly be open to moving their ace. In fact, Rosenthal goes so far as to write that the Mets would actually be more open to trading Syndergaard, who has an additional year of control, though that’s perhaps more a statement on their unwillingness to move deGrom than it is their willingness to part with Syndergaard. Clearly, either pitcher would require a trade partner to surrender an absolutely farm-gutting haul of talent if the Mets were to even consider budging. The Mets shouldn’t be expected to shop either player aggressively.
[Related: New York Mets depth chart and New York Mets payroll]
More realistic trade pieces would include impending free-agents Asdrubal Cabrera, Jeurys Familia and Devin Mesoraco. Struggling lefty Jerry Blevins has a lengthy track record despite poor results in 2018, and there’s time yet for him to right the ship and hold appeal to another organization. The Mets also have a number of intriguing players who are controlled only through the 2019 season, including Todd Frazier, Zack Wheeler, Anthony Swarzak and Wilmer Flores. As is the case with Blevins, lefty starter Jason Vargas has a solid track record but poor 2018 results to date, though he’s begun to turn things around of late (3.91 ERA, 23 strikeouts, seven walks in his past 23 innings).
Certainly, the focus of many readers will be on just what type of package it’d take to pry away one of the Mets’ two young aces, deGrom or Syndergaard, but it seems likelier that they’ll instead focus on moving shorter-term pieces. Rosenthal adds that, in particular, the Mets will be “motivated” to move Familia given that they’re not likely to make him a qualifying offer following the season. As such, they’d stand to lose him for nothing if he’s not dealt this summer.
Familia did just have a minimal stint on the DL for shoulder soreness, but if he can prove that to be a non-issue, he’d certainly hold appeal. He’s earning $7.925MM this season (with $4.45MM yet to be paid out) and has worked to a 2.70 ERA with 9.9 K/9, 3.0 BB/9, 0.3 HR/9 and a 48.8 percent ground-ball rate in 30 innings.
brewcrew08
DeGrom, Syndergaard or Cabrera to Brewers. Mark it down.
Caseys.Partner
“DeGrom……..to Brewers.”
Keston Hiura, Corbin Burnes, Tristen Lutz and Caden Lemons
matthew102402
is there a reason every comment you have starts with quoting something from the comment you’re replying to, or even quoting the article
majorflaw
“Is there a reason every comment you have starts with quoting something from the comment you’re replying to . . . “
Can’t speak for Casey but the reason I do it is that isn’t always easy to tell who and what one is replying/responding to here. I like to make those two things completely clear. Wouldn’t be necessary if this site provided greater depth with threaded comments, but here we are.
slowcurve
Whoever coded this CaseysPartner robot/troll included that for some reason.
realgone2
Not sure why he’s still even allowed on this site.
KnicksFanCavsFan
In the early days it was clear who you were referring to in your replies but it’s not as distinguishable
brewcrew08
I’m not sure if it will take 4 of the Brewers top 16 prospects to get it done..I was thinking more like Hiura, Phillips, Peralta and Lopez.
bklynny67
Terrible trade and not enough for a legit ace and perennial Cy Young contender who is controllable for 2 and a half more seasons. There will be at least one top end prospect, I’m thinking at minimum top 20 overall.
Gavin B
There is a reason why he said he wasn’t sure.
hojostache
If the season ended today, deGrom would be the NL Cy Young winner. Dude is young, controllable, and he can win with less than his best stuff. If they Mets trade him it will be Nolan Ryan v2.0 in regard to regret. Moving Syn is the better option, though they’d need a haul to make it happen.
Luckybrew
CaseysPartner I think that’s to much from the Brewer stand point. Hiura should not be involved in any trade sub Villar and a outfielder other than Yelish or Cain and keep Corbin Burnes but any other pitcher in the minors.
biasisrelitive
But de grom is a controlable ace he’s gunna cost a ton
joeyrocafella
Lol no
fisher40
Then the Mets will want the Brewers top 3 pitching prospects
xabial
You forgot the asterisk* in the title.
*Except Yankees whom the Mets refuse to do business with, unless they explicitly over-pay.
Old User Name
Mets would rather lose than see the Yankees win. Very telling on why they have sucked for so long.
staxxxxxxxxx
That is a loser’s mentality..
jakec77
Read the following link, skip about halfway through the article to the part about the Rafael Sanatana trade:
google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball…
The Mets and Yankees have never been able to do business together, it is just too complicated, both ways. Mets don’t want to see Degrom help lead Yankees to the World Series, but Yankees aren’t going to be willing to send the kinds of prospects it would take to get it done either, they aren’t about to empty their farm system only to watch them blossom as Mets.
Adam6710
As a Yankee fan I would rather they send someone like Andujar to the Mets for DeGrom than anywhere else. At least I could still watch him on a daily basis, and if the Yanks managed a WS title during DeGrom’s tenure, it would be digestible.
mikeyank55
Hey Adam—you are NOT a Yankee fan. Sorry true Yankee fans don’t watch mets games
PopeMarley
Mikey if you question this guys out being a Yanks fan then go read the junk this stansfield guy is writing down below.
PopeMarley
*about
KnicksFanCavsFan
Would rather trade Drury instead.
hojostache
lol…as a 4th or 5th piece, not the headline guy. If the Yanks want deGrom (or Syn) it starts w. Torres and get just as painful from there. deGrom is a top 5 pitcher for the next 4-5 years. All of his stats are trending that way. If you dig into the data, he is an absolute beast…the Mets have just sucked, so his record is a joke and he doesn’t get as much credit as he deserves.
Foreveryankees
Yankees farm system to Mets for DeGrom!
baseball10
So basically anyone that has value they want to keep?
Foreveryankees
Yankees farm to the Mets for DeGrom!
jorge78
Indians need bullpen help but have they got anything to trade? Hey, Rangers GM loves to take on overpaid washed up players! (sorry, bitter sarcasm).
manos
I don’t believe they’d have to give up too much to acquire a reliever like Blevins. That could be a more realistic target for the Tribe.
stymeedone
Even cheaper was Scrabble.
Solaris601
Interesting that Jay Bruce was not mentioned in the article, but his contract runs through 2020, and they’d have to eat a portion of his remaining salary in a trade given his horrific performance so far this year. If the Mets are looking for a bad contract swap that one less year remaining than Bruce, CLE would likely be open to a Kipnis deal.
gleybertorres25
that’s why he wasn’t mentioned
bravesfansince98
Give degrom to the braves
RunDMC
As a Braves fan, deGrom is exactly what we need, but giving up so many wild cards to our rivals. Willing to do it, but having to see our boys 18 games a year would stink.
I really wish SF would make MadBum available.
Backatitagain
Wouldn’t Zack Wheeler make sense for the Braves for a more modest return such as Swanson or Inciarte.
jkurk_22
No thank you. The Mets can keep Wheeler. Swanson and Inciarte aren’t going anywhere
biasisrelitive
Very little interest in wheeler definitely not getting one of those 2 for him
hojostache
Steve Matz is the far better option for the Braves than Wheeler. Zach has shown more consistency this year (and I *really* like him speeding up between pitches), but Matz is the better get. Lefty, solid stuff, and….lefty.
The Mets would have ZERO interest in Inciarte, as they have Ces…for better or worse in left, Conforto in center, and Nimmo (will be top 5 in MLB in OPS once he hits the PA limit coming up) in right field. Jay Bruce is currently sucking, but he is there too. He could go to 1B, but the LAST thing the Mets need is an outfielder.
The Mets would have nearly ZERO interest in Swanson, who also players the same position as the Met’s top prospect (Rosario) who is cheap and controllable. There is no way the Mets move Rosario anywhere but SS for the next 5-6 years. Remember cheap and controllable…that’s the only way the Mets ownership will build a team bc they are horrible owners.
MetsYankeesRedSox
Time to clean house.
howcarsam
As a 58 y/o, lifetime Met fan, this year has been brutal! However, we need a REAL farm systems and a REAL future. Trading Familia, Wheeler, Blevins, Cabrera, Mesoraco, Swarzak and Vargas (if possible) should bring a big enough haul to restock. Trading Thor or DeGrom would just be another git-punch. Sadly, Met fans are very used to that. See the 6/15/77 trade of Tom Seaver.
brewcrew08
I feel like all the guys you listed will bring back mid level prospects at best. Familia might being back a top level guy but Wheeler isn’t good, neither is Mesoraco (reds gave him up for Harvey….lol), Swarzak is overpaid and Blevins has been terrible this year. To get top level prospects back Thor or DeGrom will have to get moved.
hojostache
Mesoraco since joining the Mets:
.222 BA / ..315OBP / .469 SLG / .784 OPS / 116 OPS+.
That’s above average for a catcher, and Mes is at least avg. behind the plate and he calls a good game.
Current qualified catchers with a better OPS than Mesoraco:
1. Contreras……803
2. Yasmani Grandal……786
Guys w. a lower OPS than Mes….
3. Ramos…..782
4. Posey…..781
5. Sanchez……734
6. Barnhart…..708
If you take Mes’ entire 2018 season…he’d rank 6th .001 behind Sanchez.
hinegm01
Mesoraco always has missed the majority of the last 4 seasons because of knee surgeries. 2 healthy months aren’t going to convince teams that he is worth any kind of haul.
hojostache
Considering how anemic the vast majority of catchers are batting…I can see a team rolling the dice. It wouldn’t be anything crazy, but I can see 1-2 high upside lotto ticket types to solidify a playoff run. As a FA…that’s a tough call because he’ll probably want at least 3-4 years. As a former promising young catcher who hasn’t been able to stay healthy, that’s a tough sell…just ask the Mets about Travis d’Naurd.
jbigz12
That’s not going to restock your farm. That whole list save Familia and Swarzak have as much value as Jay Bruce did last year. You didn’t get much of anything for him and I wouldn’t expect much for that bunch.
mikeyank55
Hey how…that group of players will get a few prospects—not restock the farm. Top prospects are gleaned when top players, so without deGrom they will get a couple of ok prospects.
baseball365
Probably the biggest concern as a non Mets fan is do they have the ability and knowledge to trade the secondary pieces (players mentioned in the comment above mine) to get some B talent that could maybe develop into A talent.. This is where the Met’s really do poorly as written in the Post a couple weeks ago.
As a Yankee fan, as tempting as DeGrom is, the understandable and appropriate ask price would be an absurd move. Let’s keep in mind that he is still a pitcher who’s arm could fly off next week (hate to think that, but that’s the business man in me) and trading a Torres for example would be a massive loss in long term value I feel. Justis Sheffield is a top of the rotation prospect. I really don’t want to give him up. But if the Met’s want Frazier, Sheffield, Abreu, and pick one more then go for it…
Otherwise, I just don’t see DeGrom being moved.
lowtalker1
Degrom and Thor are probably the two pieces that will kick a rebuild into full order
So many teams need pitching
Contenders and pretenders alike
baseball365
The problem is, will the Mets handle it right. If they could bag 3-4 of the Yanks top prospects (not currently on the ML team), 2-3 top from another team and 5-10 mid level for the other pieces the Met’s farm would probably jump to the top 4 or 5 in a matter or two weeks. And with a new manager and veterans playing closer to the true talent, the Mets could rapidly be a contender in 2020/2021. It’s totally possible and these rebuilds are happening a lot quicker these days. The question remains, can the Mets do it well. The White Sox are probably the anomaly and they should be playing far better than they really are frankly.
Guru420
C Frazier E Florial J Sheffield C Adams B Drury A Abreu T Wade T Austin
For
J deGrom N Syndergaard
Thoughts?
Caseys.Partner
C Frazier E Florial J Sheffield A Abreu Domingo Acevedo, Isiah Gilliam
For
J deGrom
brewcrew08
This is a drunk comment if I’ve ever seen it. 4 of the Yankees top 7 prospects and Frazier? Good one man
stansfield123
It’s a somewhat balanced trade, in theory (tilting towards the Mets, imo, because Syndergaard is very overrated), but that’s not the main problem with it.
I can’t imagine the Yankees giving away their whole farm system no matter who’s on the other end. It’s a desperate move, and the Yankees are about as far from desperate as it gets. They have a dominant team, and they no longer have crazy George to try and fix something that ain’t broken.
They’re going to stay a balanced organization: they will move major league ready pieces they don’t have much use for (Frazier, Drury, Adams, Wade, Austin) and they will leverage the money they still have, before they hit the luxury cap. That’s plenty to fill the rotation holes with quality arms.
Everyone else stays, to ensure the Yankees stay dominant in the future, as well. Because, honestly, staying competitive for years to come is more important than an extra 5% chance of winning the WS this year. George could never grasp that, but Hal and Cashman do. They’re not gonna go on a crazy shopping spree, just because they can.
stansfield123
Note: actually, I think Austin is a piece they need…the guys they don’t need are Neil Walker and Ellsbury. Getting rid of those two would allow Austin and Torreyes to fill the two (non-catcher) bench roles with enough playing time to keep them effective. It would also open up a little extra payroll. Not much, but some.
stymeedone
Releasing players only saves a pro rated portion of the minimum. That’s the only way to move those two.
atlbraves2010
i cant see Degrom going to the yankees unless Torres is involved
thecrown24
If the Yankees aren’t willing to trade Torres as the first piece in negotiating with the Mets about Degrom the yanks stand no chance of acquiring him.
KnicksFanCavsFan
Please show me 1 example of a team trading a top 5 prospect that has graduated to the majors and shown what he has thus far that has been traded?
Drury, Frazier, Austin and one of Adams/Acevedo/Tate/Loisaga would be enough I think.
#Fantasygeekland
lol
padam
No.
– Mets fan
hojostache
I’m pretty sure MLB The Show would reject that trade. That’s just awful.
Caseys.Partner
It’s coming!!!!!!
Open a browser window at Baseball-Reference for the Mets Franchise History. Now open a second window for the Phillies Franchise History.
Notice the 50+ years of uninterrupted history. The Phillies and Mets always….for 50+ years……pass one another in the standings.
One is going up while the other is going down.
Two of the elite markets in MLB in the same division and they never, ever compete against one another.
Same $$$ as the Yankees and Red Sox with a polar opposite result.
Just a “coincidence”.
iverbure
Do you have multiple people posting under your username or do you have multiple personalities?
Monkey’s Uncle
This info was only marginally more interesting the last 10 to 15 times you’ve posted it in previous articles. The only thing worse than a troll is an unimaginative and repetitive one.
mlb1225
Do you have any other new ‘coincidences’ besides this one that you post on every article that has to do with The Mets and/or Phillies?
Niekro
Cant see them trading Syndergaard or Degrom unless it includes a young player who already has made an impact at the MLB level like Soto or Torres type, They cant go into next season with two OF’s making 45 Million combined and no Degrom/Syndergaard unless another star is coming back in the deal. for one of them.
RunDMC
Why not? You’ll get less quality minor league talent by requiring a “star” which is only based on small sample sizes at the ML level – that’s even if you get a team to relinquish a Soto or Torres — good luck.
Braves have so much talent that haven’t yet attracted the spotlight that any team with decent scouting could identify and make out like bandits — depending on their timeline for contention. You know NYM is going to want to compete in 2-3 years, as opposed to a full rebuild 5-7 years. This city (NYC) will not settle for a full rebuild under the same management (and ownership).
Niekro
Answered it in your on response. “This city (NYC) will not settle” ,if a star does not come back Mets fans will not buy tickets. It has to be a star now not a star in 2-3 years. They have too much money tied up in current players to rely on a full package of players who are not even at the MLB level yet..
You say good luck to getting Soto or Torres, but Syndergaard and Degrom are proven MLB players who are also young and at a premium position not a whole lot elite young SP on the market. I say good luck getting Degrom or Syndergaard.
iverbure
It doesn’t matter if the fans buy tickets. Why do people still think the stadium has to be packed for the team to make money?
baseball365
“but Syndergaard and Degrom are proven MLB players” correct and their arms can fly off next week. Despite the appropriate asking price, I’d approach any starting pitching trade acquisition with a great deal trepidation.
stansfield123
“This city (NYC) will not settle” ,if a star does not come back Mets fans will not buy tickets. It has to be a star now not a star in 2-3 years
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Let’s not blame the market. Yankees stayed in the top 3 in AL attendance in 2016…even though they sold their three best players, and, on top of it, cut/benched their highest profile hitters (A-Rod and Teix).
But, of course, the Yankees are a well run organization that was prepared to replace what they got rid of.
stansfield123
I say good luck getting Degrom or Syndergaard.
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I’d rather have Torres or Soto than DeGrom or Syndergaard.
stymeedone
Maybe not in NY, but most other cities teams rely on attendance and concessions.
iverbure
No they don’t. The largest % of their profit comes from tv revenue. Leagues like the CFL are the only small leagues dependent on ticket sales.
hojostache
If the Yankees head into game 7 of the championship series against the Astros…who are they going to put out there? Severino likes already pitched twice and on short rest….nope. Who else do they have? That is why you trade top prospects for a legit shutdown ace. There are probably <10 in the game today…the Mets just happen to have two of them….to go along with the worst ownership in all of sports. That's basically the Mets franchise in a nutshell….and also why if any ace moves, it is for a huge haul.
bbatardo
Mets just need to decide if they are retooling for next year or rebuilding. DeGrom and such would expedite a rebuild greatly, but rebuilding still takes a few years generally.
bwick17
Conforto to his hometown Seattle
acarneglia
The Mets will trade with everyone except the Yankees. The Mets had better offers last year from NYY for Walker and Duda but they took worse offers from Milwaukee and Tampa
downsr30
I think the Mets could trade one of Syndergaard and DeGrom for some MLB ready young controllable talent, and the other for three top prospects..
example:
Trade Syndergaard and Asdrubal Cabrera to the Cubs for Happ, Russell, Caritini and Mike Montgomery.
Trade DeGrom to any number of teams for three of their top five best prospects.
Gavin B
Cubs will never take that crap trade
stansfield123
That would make Syndergaard about three times as valuable as deGrom.
Gavin B
Russel is better than Cabrera. Your basically saying Syndagaard is worth Caritini Monty and Happ. Phhhh please
Gavin B
I do think the Cubs might trade Caritini, but that trade is rediculous!
brewcrew08
Syndergaard is head and shoulders more valuable than Happ, Caritini and Monty. You do realize Caritini sucks right?
Gavin B
Another Brewers fan who hates the Cubs hahaahh Montgomery is a great long reliever and has a under 1.50 ERA in 4 starts, Caritini batted around around 262 which if you want to say that sucks your wrong because he had little time on his 65 at bats to even figure it out. Joe sent him back down to the minors because he knew he had to be an everyday catcher and develop. I don’t think you can do that behind Contreras, right? Happ goes on his ultimate lows then goes on highs for a couple of days. He is young and has some power and potential as we have seen before. If you think all of this plus a little bit more you get from Russell being better than Cabrera is worth Syndagaard you are the worst talent evaluator ever!!!
brewcrew08
So basically your argument is a “good long reliever” who can start occasionally, a guy who hit .258 in 124 career at bats and Happ who is as up and down as they come isn’t worth Syndergaard? A guy who is a cy young contender when healthy? Yes his injuries hurt his value but given he’s only 25 with less than 500 innings on his arm the Mets will get more. Not to mention Cabrera has been a lot better than Russell this year. The cubs will have to make a decision on Baez/Russell too soon. We both know Russell will be the one gone.
Gavin B
What do you mean that cabrera has been better than Russel he is batting 277 Cabrera’s batting 270 Russel is 24 and Cabrera is 32 I do agree that he has way better power and send in many more RBI’s but that’s because Joey puts Russel in the 8 or 9 spit consistently to put some hitting at the bottom at the lineup to at least get some hitting out of the bottom. All these relievers and starters are getting a ton of value and Monty is both and has a nice ERA to go along with it so he’s more value able than most people think and he’s also on the younger side. Caritini can still be developed also into a strong catcher. I’m not saying a great one, but a solid one.
brewcrew08
If the Mets trade for a starter they are looking to win this year so she won’t matter. Russell’s SLG, K%, ISO, wRC+ are all worse. I’m confused on how you value Syndergaard. You’re basically saying he’s not worth a swingman who can go from relief to starting, a guy who could develop into a solid catcher and Happ is too much value to give up. Do you think teams just give away young, controllable arms with cy young potential?
brewcrew08
Cubs trade for a starter**
Gavin B
I understand your side too I mean I still think with how much that relievers are going for these days it’s worth a bit more. If the cubs get Sydagaard I guess your right they are trying to win, If they trade for Sydagaard do you know how long they will have control on him by chance? I have no clue.
brewcrew08
Yeah he is actually is under team control the next 3 years (2019, 2020 and 2021) after this one. He wont be a free agent until 2022. As a Brewers fan I still think the Cubs win the division without Syndergaard and could see them going after a lesser arm on the market. JA Happ or someone like that. Maybe adding a piece to the bullpen too.
Gavin B
You want to know what thanks for doing this while not calling me a idiot a hundred times. If the cubs would be able to keep him like that that’s be a great trade. It would allow Heyward Schwarber and Almora to become everyday outfielders. Caritini is just extra value sitting there anyways and then Monty will be gone which will suck but you still have chatwood and Darvish to try and turn around. And then Russel would be replaced with an older talent but with more power and RBI’s and then you get some time with Syndagaard so actually that’s not a bad trade at all I agree with you.
downsr30
The Cubs need a dominant starter if they want to go deep in the playoffs, you could also argue that they really need another on base guy as well. With that being said, if you want an ace pitcher, you’re going to have to give up talent. All of those Cubs players proposed are expendable Cubs pieces, and the Mets would value the team control and depth it would give them. What does Caritini offer the Cubs? Not much right now. Baez could easily replace Russell at SS, with Zobrist covering 2B as well as Cabrera coming over in that proposal. Happ is a utility guy, and the Cubs have outfield depth to cover him being gone. I don’t think that offer is far fetched.
Gavin B
Agreed, if the Cubs make that trade then they really have a chance. You then have Lester Hendricks Quintana And Syndagaard and then you just have to turn around either yu or chatwood to have a very solid 5 man rotation. The cubs power has been struggling and bringing in Cabrera could maybe somehow cause the power to come alive. He also produces RBI’s and is only hitting 7 percent less than Russel
padam
Cubs don’t have the assets to trade for deGrom or Thor. Happ doesn’t know the strike zone, Russell isn’t needed (the Mets have Rosario already), Montgomery is not a rebuild, and the other kid isn’t a top prospect. Hell, he’s not even a prospect.
These trade proposals are certainly entertaining. Carry on…
Gavin B
Russel is young and could help a rebuild if the Mets are going that way and teach the youngins how to buckle up in tough situations and Monty is also young and Caritini is a decent defensive catcher and could also help a rebuild
hojostache
The Mets already have Lugo and Gsellaman who are better than Monty in the long-man role. Try again.
Bruin1012
As a Red Sox fan I really hope that the Mets won’t trade with the Yankees because I believe DeGrom puts them over the top.
The Yankees certainly have the young players to pull off that trade if I was the Mets I would want that kid that started on Friday Loisaga, Frazier, and Sheffield for DeGrom but hopefully they won’t trade with the Yankees. That would be nice rebuild start then they could trade Thor for similar return from the Braves or Brewers and the rebuild would be well underway.
LongTimeFan1
It’s going to take a huge return to get Degrom but doubtful Mets are selling especially to the Yankees. Maybe Syndergaard, but it’s going to hurt the Yankees big time to get him. Mets are in the dirver’s seat here and could be ready to contend in 2019 through the right deals and free agent acquisitions from now till spring training.
A package should include Torres, the Yankees top 2 prospects and another fantastic starting pitching prospect.
I wouldn’t even do that for Degrom but would for Syndergaard. Mets should retain Degrom through extension and build around him.
Bruin1012
If that is what the Mets want for DeGrom then they should just say he isn’t available because the Yankees or any team for that matter isn’t giving up that much which is just fine with me because would hate to see DeGrom in a Yankees uniform.
brewcrew08
Torres isn’t moving. I’m not sure why everyone keeps mentioning him in trade scenarios
padam
Exactly. Just like why do folks think the Yankees can get deGrom. Torres would have to be a starting point.
hojostache
That’s fine. Look at all of those Cy Young caliber, cheap, and controllable young arms clogging the trading block…..
Now look at the Mets, they have two guys who are in the top 10 (higher?) of arms a franchise could build a team around for 3+ years,
Of course the trade would be painful for the other team because there are little 0-1 guys at the level of deGrom or Syn who could be available for 2019…..and the other is Kershaw if he opts out. He’s been out a month, but he’s still Kershaw. Bum I think has an opt out too. Both of them have had more serious injury concerns as of late.
stansfield123
You left out some letters there on Loaisiga, but yeah, he’s very good, and yes, he’s very likely available if the trade nets someone as good as deGrom. He’s impressive, but too fragile to count on as a rotation piece for a contending team.
I doubt Sheffield is available, though. When you have a rich farm system, it makes no sense to give away the best pitcher and the best hitter in it….except maybe unless you’re getting Chris Sale, but even then, I doubt the Yanks would’ve done what the Red Sox did.
And deGrom is no Sale (deGrom would slot in as the no. 2 guy in the Yankee rotation, actually). The Yanks have the prospects to beat other offers for deGrom, without including Sheffield.
Bruin1012
DeGrom would be a number 1. I know that Severino is great for the Yankees but the reality is DeGrom has been even better by nearly all advanced metrics. This is why DeGrom would put the Yankees over the top and would cost a ton. If DeGrom became available it would be a bidding war and there are other teams like the Braves that have as good or better farm system so the Yankees would have to pony up to get him.
thegreatcerealfamine
Bruin1012 a lot of these supposed Yankees fans would rather hold on to some fantasy about how great these prospects are then to listen to reason. If the Yankees don’t get a pitcher the caliber of a degrom they’ll be out in a hurry. Guy has one good start(Loaisiga) and they anoint him the real deal. German had a first good start and has been pretty much pummeled since. degrom would put them on par with the Astros and Sox, maybe even the move to get them over the top.
stansfield123
“nearly all advanced metrics’, huh? You should check out their ERA+ since 2017. It’s not even close.
deGrom is on a two month hot streak. Once you look past that, he’s nowhere near in the league Sevy’s been in for the past year and a half.
And deGrom is almost 30, while Sevy is years away from his prime.
stansfield123
Wait what? On par with the Astros and Sox?
The Yankees have a better winning percentage that the Astros and Sox. If deGrom is gonna put us back on par with those bums, then you can definitely keep him. 🙂
thegreatcerealfamine
It’s June 18.
stansfield123
I know. There’s soooo much time left for the Yanks to get to 120 wins this year.
Right now, they’re on pace to close to that, and they’re kinda playing like sh%t. They have a lot of room to get better.
thegreatcerealfamine
Dude if you really are a Yankees fan it would be great for you to listen to guys like Bruin1012. Please stop with all the hyperbole.
Steven Chinwood
You can’t you can’t be serious.
Bocephus
God no wonder people hate Yankees fans.
Bruin1012
Stansfield123 I’m not saying that Severino hasn’t been awesome I’m just saying that DeGrom has been as good or better this year. FIP, XFIP, Sierra, ERA-, FIP- all advanced metrics on Fangraphs says DeGrom has been a little better. This doesn’t take anything away from what Severino has done really like him and he has shown he is a legit TOR arm. I’m just saying DeGrom has been every bit as good and would put the Yankees over the top. Right now they are in dogfight with my Red Sox and the Astros and my personal opinion is the Red Sox and Yankees have better starters. DeGrom would change that in my opinion that’s why he is such a valuable trade commodity because he could be a difference maker for any team acquiring him. It would be like having two Severinos in your rotation that would be tough to beat and would put the Yankees over the top in my opinion barring injuries.
Bruin1012
I meant Astro’s
Bocephus
I see what you’re trying to say and as a Yankees fan I couldn’t agree more.
PopeMarley
“put us back on par with those bums” last time I checked there was no stansfield on the 25 man roster, 40 man, or anywhere in management. So your not any part of the Yankees organization guy.
xSpecBx
I’d agree with you that the Astro’s pitching staff should be slotted above the Yankees, but I can’t say I agree with the Red Sox. Once you get past Sale, its not a lock. Severino has been as good or better than Sale this year and who knows what you get in the playoffs. Look at what Tanaka did last year after a meh regular season.
Bruin1012
My Opinion is the Red Sox are just deeper in there starting rotation and the biggest reason is Rodriguez. He is rapidly becoming a very good pitcher. The Red Sox starters when you add Price, Porcello, and Wright are just deeper in my opinion. I think Tanaka can be very good and if everything falls right with Tanaka and CC then the staffs are close. I just think Boston’s staff is a little deeper but injuries could change that on either side. The AL east is going to be a dogfight with one of either the Red Sox or Yankees having to play a one game play off which will suck for whoever has to play it.
padam
deGrom number two on the Yankees? That’s funny…
nats3256
Oh Mets fans. I remember when you were 11-1 and all the “we’re the best team in baseball. We’re winning it all” talk….good times. good memories.
nymetsking
I can remember them making the World Series recently. Can’t recall any good playoff memories for the Nats .
brewcrew08
Remember when the Mets had the best rotation in baseball far and away? Guys like Matz, Harvey, Syndergaard and DeGrom. Goes to show you the Mets and kill just about any sort of talent.
MrMet33
Familia to the Astros just makes way too much sense – either straight up for Cionel Perez or a package of guys like Myles Straw & Corbin Martin.
chound
The Mets are an abomination… May as well sell off and get that payroll way down. Everyone is doing the rebuild thing anyway, why not the Mets.
LongTimeFan1
No need to do full scale rebuild. This should be a re-tool and then playoff contention in 2019. Mets can build around Conforto, Nimmo, Gsellman, Lugo, Degrom and several current prospects in the Top 100 including the masher Alonso.
bravesnation5
Mets fans, would Pache,Wright,
bravesnation5
Pache, Wright, Wentz, Petersen, Demetri be enough to get DeGrom??
jbigz12
no.
atlbraves2010
just like i said i think a trade with the yankees would require Torres, i think Degrom to the braves would require acuna
sampsonite168
Can they trade the owners?
stansfield123
Even if you could trade owners, the Mets couldn’t trade theirs.
Unless if was for an Ebola outbreak, or something. 🙂
uvmfiji
Double down. Trade all your prospects for Frank Viola and Bret Saberhagen.
padam
The good ol days…
brucenewton
Andujar, Sheffield, Florial for deGrom and T. Frazier.
thegreatcerealfamine
hahaha
gilhaggerty
Jay Bruce for a bag of balls, that’s all he’s worth
holecamels35
If Pirates GM Huntington had any stones, he’d make a move for DeGrom.
Offer a major league piece, since they have four outfielders/1B, and a few good prospects. They may not be competing this year but none of the pitchers in the rotation are capable of becoming a 1 or even a 2, sorry to all the fans who love Taillon but it’s true.
Marte/Bell/Polanco along with an infield prospect, and a further off pitching prospect would be a nice pitch.
jbigz12
Because the Mets aren’t currently dealing with their own logjam of outfielders. Bruce, Conforto, Cespedes, and Nimmo are all under contract for the foreseeable future. They don’t need an outfielder.
slider32
Other than de Grom most of the Mets are untradebale
carlos15
That’s wildly inaccurate
carlos15
I would love never to have to watch Familia pitch for the Mets again.
Gavin B
Hey guys I was just wondering… why is no one talking about Steven Matz
cxcx
Is deGrom really a “young” ace anymore?
braves25
Is one of Anderson, Allard, or Wright packaged with Fried, Pache, and maybe Mueller enough to peak the Mets interest for deGrom? Or would it take 2 of the first 3 mentioned? I would love to keep Allard and Pache, but you have to give stuff up to get stuff back.
I am sure the Mets ask for Acuna…the Braves laugh…and then they try to come up with a trade not involving Acuna!
atlbraves2010
i honestly dont think the braves could make a trade for Degrom without acuna, unless they are willing to give up like 5 of their top 10 prospects
bobtillman
The price for deGrom is at its zenith right now, today. Why they would wait to trade him is just nuts. If he goes out and has two rough outings (not impossible, happens to the best of them) GMs will wonder what’s going on; the price will drop.
The deal with Milwaukee, at the top of these responses, is eminently fair and very possible, IMHO. Burns and Hiura are HUGE talents; the other two are likely major leaguers, with Lutz’ “ceiling” being much higher than that.
It’s a deal that works for both.
Gavin B
Why is no one talking about Matz
braves25
Injury history!! He may have the best upside of any of them, but he hasn’t been able to stay healthy long enough to prove anything. I personally think it is deGrom then Matz of the order I would want them. Thor is 3rd to me, but like I said due to Matz health issues he will not get a HUGE return.
Plus he still has several years of control and could be the ace of the staff in 3-4 years when their rebuild is done.
jakec77
Looking above, I think the return for Degrom is being underrated.
The Mets will (and should) want more than Quintana got last year, which was a top 5 prospect, too 100 pitching prospects and a couple of interesting guys.
Chris Sales is another decent comp, maybe too high. Although the Mets may own the top of the market on controllable elite level starters, so they could be in a position to demand teams over pay (like Yanks did a couple of years ago with Chapman and Miller).
So, the Mets starting out demanding Acuna or Gleybar Torres is not remotely out of line.
More realistically a team willing to absorb Jay Bruce may be able to give up a little less. Or Cespedes. Maybe the Mets attach Cespedes to Syndergaard and Bruce to Degrom. They’d get a hall of prospects/young players, including whatever smaller pieces Familia, Frazier, Vargas, Blevins, Flores are able to return. Mets are left with a core of Matz, Wheeler, Lugo, Gsellman, Nimmo and Conforto with what should be a really good minor league system and the money to play in the deep end of the free agent pool. That could be a d3cen team as soon as next year, maybe more than that .
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
I’ve never understood this line of thinking. You’re not depressing the prospect package of your ace to shed two pretty short term contracts. I think if you’re the Mets you follow the White Sox’s lead. Somebody meets your price or you wait until the offseason. You’re basically not looking for a haul of prospects. You’re looking for impact prospects. If teams aren’t willing to do so now then somebody will over the offseason.
jakec77
I don’t disagree, unless the plan is to invest in the upcoming free agent class.
In general, I do believe Mets should hold onto the two outfielders and see if they get hit enough that they can be moved in August or in the offseason.
HerroHerro
Yes, but will the Mets invest in the upcoming free agent class? I agree as stated above, because its the Mets they should practice patience and wait for there price to be met. The players that the Mets have with the type of value that helps rebuild systems in controllable for the foreseeable future, so it does not NEED to be dealt by the trade deadline
driftcat28 2
The Mets cannot turn this around. This waiting is pointless. They need to rebuild
jwt421
Except this is exactly how the Wilpons think. It’s always about the money, winning is secondary. They would jump at the chance to dump Cespedes’s contract even at the expense of getting top prospects for Degrom.
It’s really hard to be a Mets fan with this ownership/GM combo. They are always looking for a bargain and there is no room for error when injuries hit because there is not a lot of talent at AAA.
I suspect the Alderson led Mets will do what they always do. Get some mid-level talent or cash consideration for the veterans they can dump this year and gaslight us next year when they don’t go after Machado, Harper or other significant talent and sign washed up veterans to 2 year deals at a discount or for league minimum. It’s a shame as they still have another 2-3 years left to take advantage of Degrom, Syndergaard, and a rapidly improving Matz.
jg_916
Once again, Muts fans can endulge their fantasies the Yankees will surrender Gleyber Torres, Miguel Andujar, Justis Sheffield and Clint Frazier for brokedown D.Grom—soon to be 30 yrs old—or Snydergard.
Dream on, Mutsies; NO ONE would give up 28 seasons of control for a pitcher with a lengthy history of injuries and two seasons away from free agency, like D.Grom.
The Yankees MIGHT consider trading catcher Austin (.324) Romine for one of those busted starters, depending upon what else the Muts throw in. Romine would be an All Star and the best hitter playing in Flushing—far and away the best C on a team with glorified minor leaguers like Plewcki (.218, career), Travis (.245, career) Doorknob and Messyrocko.
Note to Anderson: think about the offer. It’s time sensitive—till D.Grom and Snydergard get hurt AGAIN and become worthless.
Steven Chinwood
Please just stop
Bruin1012
Mikeyank is that you that is you isn’t it? That paragraph is so worthless and some of the most mindless dribble I have read short of Mikeyanks comments on Mets.
Steven Chinwood
I don’t usually reply to these jokers unless it’s an obvious troll trying to masquerade as a Yankees fan. That guy stansfield just popped up yesterday and I feel it maybe more of the same due to his over the top posts.
slider32
Mets are stuck in the middle, their starting pitae next 2 years. I say no, the Nats, Phillies, and Braves have more talent and are younger. The Braves are loaded with prospects, and the Phillies still will spend more money. The Nats will be at the top even if they lose Harper. They have good young players like Soto and Robles to replace him. and Scherzer and Strasburg are signed long term. All these teams will out spend the Mets This team has missed their window.