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How August Trades Work

By Jeff Todd | August 1, 2018 at 10:49am CDT

Now that the July 31st non-waiver trade deadline has passed, teams can still make trades, only with more restrictions than before.  The full list of rules surrounding post-deadline trades have, of course, been shared elsewhere, most notably in an article by Jayson Stark (then with ESPN.com) from all the way back in 2004, and in greater detail at Cub Reporter. Since the rules surrounding August deals are confusing, though, they’re worth reviewing here.

  • After the trade deadline, a big-league player must pass through revocable waivers before his team can trade him without restriction. These waivers last 47 hours. If no one claims him in that period, his team can trade him anywhere.
  • If a player is claimed, his team can do one of three things. It can trade the player to the claiming team, revoke the waiver request (in which case the player will remain with his original team), or simply allow the claiming team to take the player and his salary (although a player with no-trade rights can block this from happening).
  • A recent example of an August trade that developed from a waiver claim was the Mariners’ acquisition of Arquimedes Caminero from the Pirates in 2016.  The Mariners claimed Caminero and then worked out a deal with the Bucs to bring the right-hander to Seattle for two players to be named later. An example of a claim that didn’t result in a trade occurred in 2015, when an unknown team claimed Brewers reliever Francisco Rodriguez. The two sides couldn’t strike a deal, so the Brewers revoked their waiver request, and K-Rod remained in Milwaukee. Examples of teams simply letting players go via revocable waivers are more rare, particularly with big-contract players. That being said, it is always possible; in 2009, the White Sox claimed Alex Rios from the Blue Jays, who simply let him go to Chicago without a trade. The White Sox were thus responsible for all of the approximately $62MM remaining on Rios’ contract.
  • A team has 48.5 hours to trade a claimed player, and can only negotiate with the team awarded the claim on him.
  • It’s common for teams to place players on revocable waivers, and their having done so does not necessarily mean they have serious plans to trade them. As Stark points out, teams commonly use waivers of certain players purely as smokescreens to disguise which players they really are interested in trading. In fact, sometimes teams place their entire rosters on waivers.
  • If more than one team claims a player, priority is determined by worst record to best record in the league of the waiving team, followed by worst record to best record in the other league. For example, if an NL team places a player on revocable waivers, the team with the NL’s worst record will get first priority on claims, followed by every other team in the NL from worst to best, followed by AL teams from worst to best.
  • If a team pulls a player back from waivers once, it cannot do so again in August. So if a team places a player on waivers for a second time, those waivers will be non-revocable.
  • Players not on 40-man rosters are eligible to be traded at any time without passing through waivers.
  • A player on the disabled list can only pass through waivers if his minimum period of inactivity has passed and he is healthy and able to play at his accustomed level.
  • Teams can still make trades in September, but players acquired after August 31st can’t play in the postseason.

Due to the number of restrictions in place, it has long been relatively rare to see trades of real significance go down in August. But that all changed last year in a wild month of action. A variety of notable players were moved during August of 2017, most famously including Justin Verlander, who ultimately helped lead the Astros to a World Series victory. Justin Upton, Mike Leake, Neil Walker, Jay Bruce, Yonder Alonso, Brandon Phillips, Rajai Davis, Curtis Granderson, Tyler Clippard, and Sean Rodriguez were among the others that were swapped.

While that easily represented the most notable August trade season we’ve yet encountered at MLBTR, in terms of both quality and quantity of action, it didn’t contain the single most monumental transaction in the run-up to a waiver deadline. Rather, the biggest August trade in recent memory remains the nine-player swap between the Dodgers and Red Sox in 2012 that saw Adrian Gonzalez, Carl Crawford and Josh Beckett head to L.A.  That ground-shifting deal not only launched a Dodgers resurgence, but also allowed the Red Sox to clear tens of millions in salary commitments off their books, paving the way for the team to reload in the offseason and go on to win the 2013 World Series.

This post is adapted from a prior series of posts.

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  1. nats3256

    7 years ago

    47 hours? why in the world did they decide on that number?

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    • getright11

      7 years ago

      48.5 too

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    • jacobr1

      7 years ago

      Believe it’s to allow the league office to have time to award claims before having to process new ones for that day.

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  2. GB85

    7 years ago

    Nice write-up, simple and easy to understand. Hopefully it’s a busy August for the Jays, and Donaldson is able to return to at least servicable form to make a trade happen.

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    • jimmertee

      7 years ago

      Amen to trading Donaldson in August.

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      • ThatBallwasBryzzoed

        7 years ago

        Donaldson will be traded to philly or Atlanta. Otherwise he wont be moved.

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        • msjrn509

          7 years ago

          STLOUIS

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  3. Baseball Clips

    7 years ago

    Matt Harvey will be traded. Mark my word.

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    • Colorado Red

      7 years ago

      Doubt he passes waivers.
      Pitchers seem to have trouble passing waivers.(unless they are really expensive).
      Doubt anyone want to pay the Reds price also.

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      • troll

        7 years ago

        doesn’t have to pass waivers if a claim is put in

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        • kleppy12

          7 years ago

          Umm…. t,,,,,, a,,,,, but……. WHAT?!?

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        • troll

          7 years ago

          ?

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        • callingoutdummies247

          7 years ago

          Your statement makes no sense as a comment on their statement.

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  4. stubby66

    7 years ago

    Was listening to Counsell last night on pregame and it sounded like the Brewers have a starter they could get if they wanted them but I think they wanna see how guys do in the next couple of starts. I would almost guarantee that Harvey will be with the Brewers by September 1st hopefully for Domingo Santana. That or get Jake Ordorizzi for Santana but my bet is Harvey.

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    • kleppy12

      7 years ago

      The Twins deal is interesting but I’m not sure exactly what the Twin’s plans are. They could use a right handed bat but with Santana being out of options after this year they may not have room for him. Rosario is obviously locked in to a spot and Buxton is out of options after this year as well so that’s two OF spots. Tyler Austin is also out of options so if they want to keep him he will need to be on the roster as a 1B/OF. I think Cave to this point has earned playing time and I don’t think they are giving up on Kepler. That right there is five potential outfielders for next year, add a couple of prospects and then, to my original point, if they decide to spend this off season they could add another OF (or OF/1B type). So, all that said it really depends on the direction this team goes.

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      • refereemn77

        7 years ago

        Buxton had 2 options remaining at the beginning of the season, so he’s not out of options. He will have an option available for next season as well.

        For OF, I could easily see Robbie Grossman going away. As for first base, I suspect that if Mauer comes back for next year, which I think is only a 50-50 chance at best, he would be a DH only. That leaves an opening, and Kennys Vargas is out of options, not hitting very well at triple A Rochester, and not on the 40 man roster.

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    • JrMint

      7 years ago

      I doubt the Reds would trade for an outfielder, they are likely set for position players. They likely prefer pitching

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    • baseball1600

      7 years ago

      A controllable outfielder who has produced at the big league level before for a rental SP who is a number 4 in your rotation at best? What the hell? I’d trade some center fielder in Class A advanced and some cash for Harvey but not Domingo Santana.

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      • stubby66

        7 years ago

        Very true I just don’t know if he will really ever get another chance to do anything with the Brewers. I think it’s safe to say Ray is set up to eventually take over for Cain when his contract is up yes I know he has 3 yrs remaining on contract. Brauns replacement could very well be Gatewood, Lutz or Bello. I just think Santanas stock has dropped off the table now he would be perfect for San Francisco.

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  5. daved

    7 years ago

    Put the entire Cardinals team on waivers and see what happens.

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    • Colorado Red

      7 years ago

      Most teams, place all members on waivers to see what happens.
      Also, to confuse other teams, and to who they want to trade.

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      • jorge78

        7 years ago

        Exactly…..

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    • msjrn509

      7 years ago

      Idiot

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  6. stubby66

    7 years ago

    So I hear that the Cubs were in on every SP that the Brewers were in on so they could drive up the price on the Brewers. Great strategy for them but gosh I hope that backfires on them in August couldn’t happen to a better team as the Cubs lol

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    • JJB

      7 years ago

      As long as they don’t pull a Randy Myers like the Padres.

      “The Padres’ 1998 waiver claim of Myers is considered one of the biggest blunders in the history of the waiver wire. The Padres did not want Myers, mostly because of the $12 million and two additional years remaining on his contract as well as the fact that they already had an established closer in Trevor Hoffman, but placed a waiver claim in order to prevent him from going to the rival Atlanta Braves. They expected the Blue Jays to rescind their waiver claim, but the Blue Jays instead allowed the waiver claim to go through, leaving them responsible for the rest of his contract.”

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      • stubby66

        7 years ago

        Same thing happened to the Yankees when they got stuck with Jose Canseco

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      • its_happening

        7 years ago

        JJB it was one of the most underrated moves the Gord Ash-led Blue Jays made during his tenure as a GM. I remember watching Myers the year before in Baltimore wondering what happened to his fastball. But Myers was in the midst of a great season that year.

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      • pepicellis

        7 years ago

        Sooooo, Randy Myers was claimed? Don’t think so friend!

        January 12, 1982: Drafted by the Cincinnati Reds in the 3rd round of the 1982 amateur draft (January), but did not sign.

        June 7, 1982: Drafted by the New York Mets in the 1st round (9th pick) of the 1982 amateur draft (June Secondary). Player signed June 8, 1982.

        December 6, 1989: Traded by the New York Mets with Kip Gross to the Cincinnati Reds for Don Brown (minors) and John Franco.

        December 8, 1991: Traded by the Cincinnati Reds to the San Diego Padres for a player to be named later and Bip Roberts. The San Diego Padres sent Craig Pueschner (minors) (December 9, 1991) to the Cincinnati Reds to complete the trade.

        October 26, 1992: Granted Free Agency.

        December 9, 1992: Signed as a Free Agent with the Chicago Cubs.

        November 3, 1995: Granted Free Agency.

        December 14, 1995: Signed as a Free Agent with the Baltimore Orioles.

        October 27, 1997: Granted Free Agency.

        November 26, 1997: Signed as a Free Agent with the Toronto Blue Jays.

        August 6, 1998: Traded by the Toronto Blue Jays to the San Diego Padres for Brian Loyd (minors).

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    • mike127

      7 years ago

      And I’m going to venture a guess that the Yankees and the Astros and the Dodgers, the Pirates, the Red Sox, etc were all in on every SP the Brewers were on also. And exactly, if it were the case, how could that even possible backfire??? I’m totally missing the logic in your post.

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      • stubby66

        7 years ago

        It could easily backfire by them ending up getting stuck with an expensive player that they have no intention of playing but having to pay millions for him to sit on the bench

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    • hinegm01

      7 years ago

      Though I believe the Brewers would get to make their claim before the Cubs as long as the Cubs are ahead of them in the standings.

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  7. stubby66

    7 years ago

    Karma: Mets love their pitching and thinks they have a chance of competing next year with the pitchers they got, yet Nationals score 25 runs. They so have missed the boat on a retooling

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    • callingoutdummies247

      7 years ago

      Teams don’t have bad games? Blow outs happen to any team on any given day. Regardless of skill level. They haven’t missed any boat. It’s a better market in the offseason. You have middling teams adding other pieces that may take a gamble, you have teams bringing up a lot of young talent that may want a controllable pitcher because they think they’re a year or two away, and there are the contenders. Now they have to compete with other teams. At that point is a sellers market with more teams interested

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  8. Michael Chaney

    7 years ago

    The Indians seem to make a small August trade every year, so I’ll go out on a limb here.

    Curtis Granderson to the Indians for Zach Plesac.

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    • GarryHarris

      7 years ago

      They would have to clear waivers from clubs with worse records. Someone blocked Ian Kinsler last season.

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      • Michael Chaney

        7 years ago

        Yeah but the Indians have the highest waiver priority among all the teams in the AL that are likely in the playoffs, and I doubt anyone would go out of their way to block a 4th outfielder at this point anyway.

        Besides, they were lower in the waiver priority last year and still got Jay Bruce.

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        • stubby66

          7 years ago

          Hmm I wonder if Indians might be interested in Santana or the Phillies?

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        • Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA

          7 years ago

          I whole heartedly doubt Santana gets to a playoff team. There’s no way. Even for all his faults his control and the hope he can rebound doesn’t make it seem feasible.

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    • its_happening

      7 years ago

      Sure. Sounds good.

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    • jimmertee

      7 years ago

      Yes to a Curtis Granderson somewhere for something in a August trade.

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  9. hojostache

    7 years ago

    I can see Granderson, Harvey, MAYBE Holland getting moved. A guy like Bautista will never make it through on his league minimum salary (as a prior team is on the hook for the original amount…~$18m?) Mesoraco may make it through bc he was somewhat pricey…about the same as Harvey, but he could be attractive as backup C with decent power off of the bench.

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    • Tom

      7 years ago

      What prior amount? Bautista played out his contract in TOR and signed as a free agent this year. All any team is paying him is the prorated portion of the minimum. And he might get traded….teams in the bottom of the league aren’t going to claim him just to claim him, and the team that does—might actually want/need him—and they work out a trade with the Mets.

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    • deweybelongsinthehall

      7 years ago

      Bautista not making it through? He’s already been released and other than taking a shot in the dark on his past given he’s just a 230 hitter with five homers for NY, most playoff teams already have better injury protection.

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    • its_happening

      7 years ago

      With Jake Lamb’s injury, I’ll add Solarte to your list. As a Jays fan I’d rather see young guys come up and get humbled than pay Solarte millions to be mediocre.

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      • jimmertee

        7 years ago

        Yup Trade Solarte too. Please.

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    • thelastonetodie

      7 years ago

      18m was last year, he was on a minor league deal, not sure how much, 1-3m so only a the small portion of that

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  10. mymaus

    7 years ago

    So with all these restrictions, why didn’t Reds take best offer on table for Harvey? Assume at least 1 offer. If Reds took a pass on it, wouldn’t that team just claim him on waivers & knowing they are the only team the Reds could negotiate with, offer the same or nothing? Worse yet, a team claims him to block another team. Either way, the Reds get no more than they could have gotten at the TD.

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    • CrazyB

      7 years ago

      Thats not necessarily true. There could have been teams on the verge of making an offer but werent quite comfortable with what they have seen. Lets say that 1 team that made an offer was the Brewers. Lets say the Cubs were a team on the verge of making an offer. Fast forward 2 quality starts for Matt Harvey, as well as the Brewers now having a better record than the Cubs. Now the cubs can make and offer before the Brewers. Maybe the offer is better, maybe it isnt. Again, not saying any of this will happen or happen with those two teams. Just an example of what could happen.

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      • mymaus

        7 years ago

        IF there was one offer right before the TD, the team that made that offer would surely claim him when put on waivers. Unless that team’s situation deteriorated to a point of being suddenly desperate exactly at the time the Reds put him on waivers, (VERY unlikely) then it would not make sense that that team would make a better offer than they did right before the TD.

        To get a better offer than one that might of been there before the TD a contending team needs to become desperate and they need to be the team with the worst record among contenting teams.

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  11. BlueSkyLA

    7 years ago

    Has a player ever been placed on non-revocable waivers?

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    • Ted

      7 years ago

      Sure. The Bucs put Juan Nicasio on irrevocable waivers last August and the Phillies took him.

      There’s also the time in 1990 the Pirates put prospects on irrevocable waivers by accident and the Phillies took them. Wes Chamberlain and someone else…

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      • BlueSkyLA

        7 years ago

        Thanks for the info. Seems the Pirates also put Wade LeBlanc on non-revocable waivers at the same time. Nicasio had been claimed but the Pirates didn’t want to trade to that team for some reason. It was considered to be an unusual situation at the time.

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  12. cgallant

    7 years ago

    Does anyone know why there is a non-waiver and a waiver trade deadline? What’s the point of having to pass a player through waivers in August in order to trade him? Why not just extend the non waiver deadline until August 31?

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    • BlueSkyLA

      7 years ago

      Dunno for sure but I think the logic is similar to the Rule 5 draft. Provides another opportunity for players who aren’t really needed or wanted on their current team to find another place to play on a team that is willing to take on their contract. Rarely seems to work that way though.

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  13. jmi1950

    7 years ago

    Jeff, does Harvey cost the claiming team the pro rated 5.6 M or just the pro rated minimum with the Mets still on the hook for the rest? If it is the minimum I would think several .500 teams would claim him — Wash? SF? STL? etc.

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    • mrkinsm

      7 years ago

      Harvey is still owed around 2M from the Reds. The Reds had to send a huge chunk of cash with Mesoraco to the Mets.

      I would assume the Reds would eat most of his remaining salary for a better return. But they could simply let him go to save themselves that 2M$.

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      • jmi1950

        7 years ago

        I stand corrected I forgot he was part of a trade involving $$$ and Meseroco.

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  14. All Baseball No Xabial

    7 years ago

    Alright I have a question… so a team puts someone on waivers… say the Angels put like Pujols on waivers (knowing nobody will claim him because his contract is so bad…) and Seattle claims him… when working out a trade does Seattle have the ability to trade ONLY from its players that are already on waivers or can they use anyone? So basically you could put a terrible player (value-wise) on waivers to be able to use it as an avenue to get other players traded without them going through waivers? I’m presuming this isn’t possible but it isn’t clear from the post above.

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    • jmi1950

      7 years ago

      If a toxic contract is claimed the claiming team is stuck. There is no way such a claim will become the basis for a bigger trade. The Commish would get involved if there was some “secret agreement” prior to the claim. See the Rios and Myers examples above.

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      • All Baseball No Xabial

        7 years ago

        Okay so forget big players that would send up red flags… say Seattle wanted to send someone that wasn’t a big deal… like…Andrew Romine… would they be able to or would Romine also have to have cleared waivers?

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        • stubby66

          7 years ago

          I do believe if a player isn’t on the 40 man roster you can trade them without any issues but if the player is on 40 man roster they have to clear waivers but some teams will decide on who the player is but will just say it’s a ptbnl in order to just wait until after the WS so all the restrictions are gone. But don’t quote me on this

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        • Connorsoxfan

          7 years ago

          All players involved have to clear waivers unless they are off the 40 man roster I believe, but someone correct me if I’m wrong.

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        • JJB

          7 years ago

          Yes, it’s only players on the 40-man roster who would have to clear.

          However, back to the original post, Albert Pujols has a full no-trade clause, and that would still apply to being claimed or traded in August. I know it was a hypothetical, but players with NTCs can still turn down the waiver claim and/or trade.

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        • All Baseball No Xabial

          7 years ago

          Pujols was just an off the cuff example, I obviously understand he wouldn’t be traded.

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  15. Rich Hill’s Elbow

    7 years ago

    Odorizzi to Milwaukee seems likely, probably for Diplan, Feliciano, and Herrera

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    • jbeerj

      7 years ago

      Huge overpay.

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  16. juicemane

    7 years ago

    The Dodgers are soooooo desperate at this point I see them taking on some bad contracts of older players. the Dodgers aren’t good and they want to pretend like they are 1 or 2 players away. Lol
    James Shields maybe…

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    • thegreatcerealfamine

      7 years ago

      Must be tough to always covet thy neighbor.

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      • juicemane

        7 years ago

        Well since we’re both currently missing the playoffs…what is there to covet…a diminished farm system?

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    • All Baseball No Xabial

      7 years ago

      I agree, they are clearly the worst team in all of the MLB… at least twice as bad as the Orioles…. oh wait… no you are just a troll… that’s it!

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      • juicemane

        7 years ago

        I am obviously trolling…not really trying to hide that fact lol

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        • BlueSkyLA

          7 years ago

          Get a life. Borrow one if you have to.

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        • juicemane

          7 years ago

          Swing…and a miss at a ball in the dirt…(do you see the metaphor?)

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  17. jeffk-2

    7 years ago

    Someone please take Chris Davis

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    • jimmertee

      7 years ago

      I hear an international league team is interested in Chris Davis. lol. Sarcasm heavy.

      Perhaps he will rebound next year.

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    • Michael Chaney

      7 years ago

      The Hiroshima Carp will take him if you throw in about $100 million

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  18. RedRooster

    7 years ago

    Maybe this year teams will be smart and claim players with big contracts that they are providing surplus value on so they can block rival contenders from trading for him. I’ll bet the Red Sox, Yankees and Dodgers are kicking themselves for not claiming Justin Verlander last year, for example.

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    • jmi1950

      7 years ago

      NYY & Bos were afraid they would get stuck with the entire contract. No one knows if either had made a claim whether a trade could have been worked out or Verlander would not have waived his NTC. We know Det was not willing to just let him go because they pulled him back to work on the trade. The LAD never got a chance because Hou got first crack as an AL team. Bos was trying to stay under the Lux Tax in 2017 –which they did. The NYY were trying not to add $$$ for 2018 so that they could get under the Tax in 2018 — which it looks like they will.

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      • RedRooster

        7 years ago

        Clearly, being stuck with the entire contract would be a good thing considering JV’s performance. And the odds of them getting stuck with the contract even if they did claim him were slim. The consensus appeared to be that the Tigers weren’t going to just let him go for no return and even if they wanted to, JV would still have to waive his NTC which he almost didn’t do last year. It took a conversation with Dallas Keuchel where he assured JV it was worth it. They could have claimed him, offered the Tigers nothing, instructed their players not to encourage JV to waive the NTC and they would have successfully blocked the Astros from acquiring JV. No JV and the Astros don’t even make it to the World Series.
        The Tigers never pulled him back. They didn’t have to because no one claimed him. Houston didn’t get first crack at anything. He had already cleared waivers meaning the Tigers were able to trade him to whoever they wanted. LAD had a chance to claim him but didn’t.
        Honestly, the Yankees were the ones who should have claimed him. He totally murdered them in the ALCS in 2012 so you think they’d have learned, but they didn’t.

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        • jmi1950

          7 years ago

          20/20 hindsight is always perfect. No one ” 100% KNEW” that JV would not be talked into waiving his NTC if he was claimed and Det would not just decide to let him go. Bos/NNY/LAD all had Lux Tax issues and there were large concerns as to how a trade would effect JV. We all KNOW now that the trade energized him. If on the other hand he had turned into “Sonny Gray” we would be putting the claim in the Myers/Rios box.

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        • RedRooster

          7 years ago

          The writers and fans on here seemed pretty confident that the Tigers wouldn’t just let him go. And even if they did just let him go, that would be a good thing as he is providing surplus value on his contract and the prospects the Astros gave up were worth more than the part of JV’s contract the Tigers are paying.
          Someone should have claimed JV last August, that’s all I’m saying.

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        • jmi1950

          7 years ago

          Actions speak louder than words. The fact that no team put in a claim says they were all afraid of being stuck with that contract. Of course now everyone “knows” Verlander would have been worth every penny.

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        • RedRooster

          7 years ago

          Astros clearly weren’t afraid of being stuck with the contract considering they traded for almost all of it and the prospects surrendered were worth more than the part of the contract that Detroit agreed to pay. So by your logic they should have claimed him.

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        • jmi1950

          7 years ago

          Oh really. Then why didn’t they claim the whole contract when they had the chance. Instead they hoped someone would claim him and Det would pull him back which would of kept him out of the post season. They only got involved at the last minute AFTER Keuchel called them out for not making any moves and “insiders” were saying he was available.

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        • RedRooster

          7 years ago

          They didn’t claim him because they figured the Tigers wouldn’t just let him go on waivers and they didn’t want to restrict themselves to the 48 hour window to work out a trade and get JV to waive his NTC. If the Tigers had been willing to just let him go on waivers the Astros would have claimed him. Perez, Rogers and Cameron are worth more than $16m. But if the Tigers weren’t willing to let him go on waivers, the Yankees or Dodgers should have claimed him to block him from being traded to a rival. Either way, SOMEONE should have claimed him to force the Tigers to show their hand.

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  19. jmi1950

    7 years ago

    If it was so sure that Det would not talk him into waiving his NTC and just let him go, why didn’t someone else put in a claim to prevent him from being traded? They were all worried that they would get stuck . You are using 20/20 hindsight to rate JV and that contract now. You need to go back to how JV was pitching the 1st half.. In July 2017 that contract was considered a big negative by most.

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    • RedRooster

      7 years ago

      Actually, people on here were saying back in July 2017 that the contract was a positive and that the PR hit would be too great if the Tigers let him go on waivers.
      In any event, someone should have claimed him if for no other reason than to force the Tigers to show their hand.

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      • jmi1950

        7 years ago

        The only fact that counts is that no one claimed him. That proves no one thought that contract was a positive at that time. I agree that with 20/20 hindsight claiming him was the right thing to do, But there were 60MM reasons not to make that claim.

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        • RedRooster

          7 years ago

          “That proves no one thought that contract was a positive at that time.”
          Commenters on here disagree and if you don’t believe me you can go check the comment threads from last year.
          And not really hindsight considering the Yankees knew the Astros were interested in aquiring him, knew that there was a severe chance that they would have to face him if the Astros did so and knew that he wiped the floor with them the last time they had to face him on the postseason.

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  20. jmi1950

    7 years ago

    Who cares about commenters like you. The people who counted — 29 GMS — agree with me; that is why none of them risked a claim..

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    • RedRooster

      7 years ago

      Clearly the Astros didn’t agree with you considering the prospects they gave up are worth more than the part of Verlander’s contract the Tigers are playing. And of course, an asset is worth whatever the highest bidder says it is worth.

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      • jmi1950

        7 years ago

        You say the prospects were worth more than the $$$. But to Hou with a loaded system and a limited number of spots on the 40 man, it was use them or lose them time. Also, they were taking a beating from Keuchel, the Hou press and their fans for doing nothing at the July deadline. This year SD will have to discount a number of prospects in winter trades or expose them to Rule 5. Two and three years ago when the Red Sox were trading prospects a big part was the use them or lose them factor. The only fact that counts is that no one had the guts to put in a straight claim for JV. That fact proves the contract was viewed as too risky at 60MM .

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        • RedRooster

          7 years ago

          Yeah those prospects were worth more than the cash. No one would disagree there. None of them had to be added to the 40 after the season.
          The simple fact is that if what you are saying is true, that the Tigers would have let JV go on waivers, the Astros should have claimed him. It would have been a better deal than paying most of the contract and giving up impact prospects and it would have forced the Tigers to show their hand.
          The other simple fact is that most commenters on here and the writers disagreed with you about the contract being too risky.

          Reply
  21. johnk

    7 years ago

    The Cubs used to like Tyson Ross.

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